I Changed One Thing And My Weak Hand Got Faster

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  • @CyberChrist
    @CyberChrist 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Playing a beat you already know, but weak-handed/weak-footed, can unlock lots of things regarding ambidextry.

    • @MassholeDrums
      @MassholeDrums 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For sure. That's why I wish I played open stance on the hi hat. If you do that, and keep your ride on the right side, it forces you to be able to play the same grooves left or right hand lead. The reason I stopped playing open stance is because I couldn't do ghost notes with my right hand. Should've just kept working on it but I got lazy. Big mistake.

  • @flowerlandofjohn
    @flowerlandofjohn 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Nate, great thoughts as always: but once again I’m heavily biased (never having had a lesson, or going to music-school). I totally agree that there might be a benefit from a rudimentary perspective that both hands should be able to do the same thing and work in unison. But: on the kit doing grooves and licks I treat (and cherish) both hands for their individual strengths. Sure, it might result in a weaker approach to rudiments, but I think their different qualities work great from a “kit-perspective” with a focus on actual drumming. What’s your thoughts on that?

  • @LaVerdad65
    @LaVerdad65 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I think the relaxation just comes from strength in the fulcrum and wrist mostly. If playing with proper form, a drummer also develops strong shoulders, biceps, triceps, etc. Through a slow process of recovering from tendinitis, Ive been able to observe a lot of nuances in muscular development.
    Doing freestroke is fundamental, but what has helped me strenthen the weak muscles was *slowly* picking up the stick in the upstroke while maintaining pressure on the right points in the fulcrum. As well as some of principles stressed by Dave Elitch like full extension of the index finger, keeping the shoulders out, and keeping the back and shoulder muscles engaged. I originally got this from a video on fixing carpal tunnel for drummers, though Ive practiced it mostly with french grip. In the past few months I've finally been able to overcome a decades worth of tendinitis and a certain degree of hand deformity (this might not technically be correct, but it was a throwaway suggestion from an orthopedist.) Its been a slow and extremely tedious process. Ive been meaning to make my own youtube video about it just to give back to the community, but Im not really a video guy, so let me know if this is something you'd like to discuss

    • @ebk7073344
      @ebk7073344 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Would love to see this video!

  • @lowfrequencywizard
    @lowfrequencywizard 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    „so the secret to a faster weak hand is, you guessed it - even MORE spring tension“

  • @benjaminhernandez4433
    @benjaminhernandez4433 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    At 0:13 Are you a drummer? 😂😂😂 Great video!!!

    • @Bellendrophone
      @Bellendrophone 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Being a bit non-earth exclusionary though. Lose a few federation points for that attitude I reckon

  • @jahriffn
    @jahriffn 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why would people give you shit for this video?
    Infinite love and gratitude from Colorado!

  • @DrumLessonSecrets
    @DrumLessonSecrets 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I love this. I have been looking at my grip and came to the same conclusion. I thought as I went from trad to match grip, the left hand had devised its own "avoidance" technique that was confusing me. Your approach is farther along and has saved me time Nate so thanks again. Love your content, its gold!

  • @carolynatesmusic
    @carolynatesmusic 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks Nate, I had noticed a similar issue with my left hand recently and have been floundering for a solution. I appreciate the depth of explanation and exercises.

  • @d.alexgleason1090
    @d.alexgleason1090 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Siiiiiiiick. I started working on this very consciously about a year ago. I’ve spent weeks of the last year staring at both hands while holding sticks and tweaking to attain as much symmetry as possible. It’s helped so much. I can finally do some pushpull and spangalangy stuff with my weak hand.

  • @BillRayDrums
    @BillRayDrums 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I switched my fulcrum to the first joint of my middle finger in both hands (when I play matched, I'm normally a trad player) and it made all the difference in the world in achieving symmetry.

  • @nope3015
    @nope3015 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Bodybuilders call it mind-muscle for a reason. If put conscious attention on not just the movement but things like what you said that fulcrum pad on the middle finger, it builds over time.

  • @rodriambrogio6427
    @rodriambrogio6427 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I came to evry similar conclusions recently. It's nice to see you go through the same process and share your insights.

  • @nualamcloughlin7737
    @nualamcloughlin7737 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I could relate to every issue you described in this video and totally appreciate how granular you get with how to develop efficient technique and overcome weaknesses. You are my favourite drum nerd, and your willingness to share your obsession with detail - in such profound detail - is a great gift to us all ❤

  • @BrianH020
    @BrianH020 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Have been doing something similar for a few months myself, Nate. The ol' practice in front a mirror illuminated this for me. But for me, my right hand (lefty here) is built a little different than my dominant left hand, and changing the alignment to speak, opened up relaxation and better rebound and control. So they're not the same, but overall output is improved... 👍😗

  • @chemical_ko755
    @chemical_ko755 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow I watched this video a couple days ago and experienced a huge step change in my overall rudiment speed just from the hack alone!
    I am still quite new to the drums, been at it for 6 months so maybe I had horrific technique beforehand 😆
    Thank you!

  • @chrismason3283
    @chrismason3283 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant, I’ve been looking at this myself for a while as I noticed the same thing in my playing. Your video gives me confidence that I’m not being a muppet 😁

  • @tommyzcat
    @tommyzcat 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ❤❤🎉❤❤ been working on/analyzing this concept as well lately! Thanks Nate, as always.

  • @pitmarquardt1981
    @pitmarquardt1981 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is awesome! Up until a few days ago, I had „fast and controlled“ days sometimes without really being able to reliably reproduce this effect. Whenever i looked for differences between those and the „slow and sloppy“ days, i felt the exact point of contact you describe at 1:56. But i had no explanation and no mental cue…so thanks a lot!!!

  • @MrDarkstar620
    @MrDarkstar620 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice Video. I noticed all those changes you mentioned by playing matched, french and traditional. The open-handed playing also allowed me to develop strength in my fingers. But I like your direction better because this may speed up the process for beginner students without them feeling overwhelmed about how many grips they should learn.
    I am interested to see how you've done traditional grip though. Maybe a next video on that. I'm trying to find more creative ways the traditional grip has been explored.
    Great content as always.

  • @alkenemy
    @alkenemy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    alot of what is being presented is identical to my own journey of hand technique. i found the same end point however from learning and implementing blast beats and also spending a few months learning to play left handed. it was alot less intentional and more my body realising whats efficient. i hope this helps someone.

  • @GKMusic54
    @GKMusic54 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you Nate! I am glad my info was helpful!!

  • @keithpratt1849
    @keithpratt1849 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really appreciate this lesson. As a simple reminder, us Lefty's automatically look at our right hand or foot when when an instructor says left hand or foot. It will s not a big deal, but something we tell ourselves whenever we hear drum instruction or read anything that says R or L.

  • @darinwood2183
    @darinwood2183 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes. I have noticed my left and right hands were each kind of doing their own thing. When you should your old left hand grip, I thought mine looks the exact same way. Right down to the stick sliding in my hand and constantly feeling the need to choke up on it. I decided to start paying more attention to my left hand grip.
    Excellent topic 👍

    • @flowerlandofjohn
      @flowerlandofjohn 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, great topic. But I think they should be doing their own thing. Except for rudiments when you try to mirror your hands, your left and right hand have completely different tasks in a groove.

  • @mattnieri1202
    @mattnieri1202 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Congratulations!!! Much improved technique!!

  • @Armakk
    @Armakk 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like these learning episodes better than the teaching ones. Was reminded of Freddy Gruber teaching Neil Peart about the negative space of the stroke, that the spaces between the hits are just as important as the attack.

  • @pekkamustonen6654
    @pekkamustonen6654 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for awesome drummer lesson. I like bass also. I'm a bass player.
    Great content. Keep it going!

  • @Wizzgigging
    @Wizzgigging 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can relate.. Great video on a topic that haunts us all.

  • @Labatterieparlimprovisation
    @Labatterieparlimprovisation 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for transmitting Gordy Knudtson Mastery. I suggest to go directly to the source of his work on open/close technique which is complementary of the Moeller technique best taught by Klaus Hessler.

  • @joelfortin6634
    @joelfortin6634 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the no clickbait section. I am already doing this, i saw stanron moore do it and just started copying him

  • @dcd_cabrera
    @dcd_cabrera 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wild. My hands started doing this naturally, the past few weeks and it's led to more refined strokes.

  • @billykohler9153
    @billykohler9153 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Mr. Nate 🥁😎

  • @Neal_Schier
    @Neal_Schier 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those new heads sound great!

  • @jeremyschneider9531
    @jeremyschneider9531 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Man...Nate...this is the technique I've been driving toward ever since I discovered Gordy in the 20-teens! Makes so much engineering sense :D My problem is I still don't get any faster. Or much faster.

    • @cpizz99
      @cpizz99 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same here. There are lots of great vids on the mechanics of push-pull, but nothing on how to practice it to get faster.

    • @micahcorson8831
      @micahcorson8831 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cpizz99 All you need to practice is single-hand rolls, and then double-stroke rolls along to a metronome. Slowly ease the metronome up 5 BPM at a time once you can keep the technique accurate and consistent. It's something you have to be very patient with because you need to wait for your hands to get physically stronger before it improves much.

    • @davidpickar7614
      @davidpickar7614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@micahcorson8831 I'd say it's more an issue of familiarity and allowing the rebound to happen (coordination), rather than strength. Both are required, but the coordination is the more important factor by far as all the strength in the world doesn't help if the movement is inefficient and/or uncoordinated.

    • @micahcorson8831
      @micahcorson8831 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidpickar7614 Both comments indicate that they already have the technique down, just don't know how to get it faster. That's what my comment was meant to address. Getting the technique correct is always the first step to getting anything faster.

  • @user-hg4vj9tn1l
    @user-hg4vj9tn1l 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's all natural body movements... Allowing the stick rebound off of the head, etc. I spent 10 years with Joe Morello, the master of technique. Not to take anything away from Nate's excellent video content, drummer Tim Connolly does an superb job explaining these techniques in his instructional videos. The push-pull or open-close technique was originally called the Gladstone Technique after Billy Gladstone.

  • @unclemeat8422
    @unclemeat8422 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is really good dude thank you. I think you touched on everything there but, I cant get my push pull bounces between hands to create a natural roll as Gordy does. You can squeeze into a roll for days if the macanics are there etc etc. Grrrr

  • @rafazeppelin
    @rafazeppelin 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always play along with the intro song!

  • @Alienmuppet
    @Alienmuppet 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used to have my hand very open, after watching all those bouncing the ball videos. This didn't offer much support for the fulcrum which lead to squeezing. I'm finding lately that "more meat, less pressure" is what works for me. So holding the stick more naturally almost like a hammer with all fingers, but loose without squeezing, with a relaxed hand, maybe even cradling to some degree (so 1st finger not wrapped most of the time, though also not consciously pointing, just curved slightly responding to the hand wanting to hold something with all fingers). I find the fingers then open automatically as much as needed, like when hitting harder in a high rebound situation - but I'm not consciously thinking about opening them, it's like it happens naturally due to the rebound. I find too when doing little fast bursts that the fingers just automatically respond a bit and help out, but staying very much in contact with the stick. It just feels natural and simple, like I was overthinking it before.
    Sometimes I'm feeling the middle finger more than the others, but I'm not thinking about pinching it there, more holding with the whole hand. It also helped a lot with my doubles. It's a work in progress and just based on my own experiments so who knows, others may completely disagree. I might in a few weeks ;-) It kinda feels nice to me right now though - I wasn't enjoying the feeling of the stick on the more bony end of my fingers. It may at least end up one of many options when playing.

  • @antoniomercurio8996
    @antoniomercurio8996 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank god for the new skins, Nate !

  • @pavelzlatin8292
    @pavelzlatin8292 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    for me the most interesting thing about this video is that the author does not have perfect technique, but he plays very well overall. I have met people with very good hand technique, but their overall game looks average. I myself started working on my hands quite late. right now I am also pumping up my left hand and working out all possible muscles, because I thought that this was my main problem. but this video again makes me think about how important hand technique really is (and it is certainly important) in relation to other skills.

  • @wolverine-ig1sb
    @wolverine-ig1sb 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    very informative my man! 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

  • @willis9421
    @willis9421 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m still at the point of noticing the asymmetrical amounts of oscillation between my hands. A few reasons, one I had a gnarly rope burn on my left index finger that caused some different indentations. I will try to adjust it but I’m always aiming for that symmetry.
    Something else I’ve been implementing is finger exercises just for my left hand. I consider this a problem of dexterity. So, rice bucket exercises in the morning and at night.

  • @proto35
    @proto35 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you got a video on that outro track? it slaps.

  • @uthamanco
    @uthamanco 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice fresh drum heads 👌

  • @tomkarnik5032
    @tomkarnik5032 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice video Nate. I'm retired and have gotten back into drumming after many years and going through the middle finger fulcrum migration and starting to feel that loose hand feel where the sticks do most of the work particularly on singles.
    My question is should I migrate my double stroke and closed rolls as well to using middle finger fulcrum because it is initially difficult or is it OK to switch to index finger fulcrum as needed for these strokes because index finger fulcrum is what I am used to?

  • @Freogeteknet
    @Freogeteknet 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    having had a lot of thumb pain I recently changed to more long finger fulcrum/two finger fulcrum for a looser grip. I shortly after found that I also need to losen my hand position on the left hand to be less german and more american (? I think people call it that). As someone that do a lot of blast beats but been powering through them I feel like I'm more relaxed and can help out with fingers more. So basically I made the same discovery as you did, at the same time... weird...

  • @luiszuluaga6575
    @luiszuluaga6575 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bad Brains t-shirt! ✨👊🏽😀

  • @AntonMasyan
    @AntonMasyan 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i'd say it's more about micro controls of the stick and left hand just has less than right, but yeah, doing the same for a couple of month and got a progress

  • @jeffpeff
    @jeffpeff 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My old school teachers’ method of Moeller strokes on a pillow will teach this to you pretty quickly.

  • @jazzban
    @jazzban 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey bro, how do you cut your videos? DaVinci Resolve? Final Cut? Thank you!

  • @panplayer
    @panplayer 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did you by chance study with Chris Lamb at some point? Reason I ask is because he advocates (or did) the idea of the fulcrum on the middle finger.

  • @kushking420
    @kushking420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've recently been trying to learn single hand rolls, I find it so hard to get much volume. I've never really listen to much death metal or w/e but I've always wanted to learn how. Videos online make it look so easy, I can't get it right

  • @agustinfaundezrojas
    @agustinfaundezrojas 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looks very similar to a combination of middle finger fulcrum combined with gladstone technique or free strokes used in actual german timpani playing, but maybe i'm missing the point completely...😅

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@agustinfaundezrojas no I think you get it. A lot of human innovations are made redundantly by multiple people in multiple places. It would stand to reason that with a lot of smart humans thinking through this stuff you’d see similar best practices in a few places.

  • @19tet
    @19tet 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ive tried gettin rimshots on the pull stroke when doin push pulls - with using as little wrist and as much fingers .. think like shuffles altho i just do it for anything

  • @sherpFPS
    @sherpFPS 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When playing around the kit do you think there’s anything wrong with wrist strokes? I’m not quite for tony william’s zero finger proposition but wrist seems to work pretty well when moving around.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@sherpFPS depends on the tempo and volume. A technique is okay until it’s not. I discovered the limit of pure wrist playing when trying to take things to more extreme tempo and dynamic ranges.

    • @sherpFPS
      @sherpFPS 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@8020drummer do you think it’s possibly a case of “different strokes for different folks”(pun very intended)

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ yes. It all depends on what you require from your technique

  • @nathans4957
    @nathans4957 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hitchhiker's thumb is a curse, man. sheeeeeeeesh

  • @AardvaarkTonto
    @AardvaarkTonto 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At 9.20 is a key. When you look at Jim Chapin on Moeller he also, like Knudson, brings his stick butt down first to the strike point and stops letting the wrist collapse and then STAYS THERE while the stick works only when the stick hits bounce (one or two) does he/they move the hand back up (which all takes microseconds!). There's a gearing priciple when everything moves at once and a momentum (bounce) wave principle where after intiiating a motion a component part takes no further action in the collective motion like a rope flip. If too much motion is introduced into the latter then there will be cancellations of the "in phase" wave movement.

  • @danichatin
    @danichatin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Summarizing, do not change grip while playing drums, doesn't matter if you play singles, doubles or rolls!

  • @Thomlistentoslayer
    @Thomlistentoslayer 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Get Jojo Mayer on your channel😀

  • @spacewalden8358
    @spacewalden8358 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What about traditional grip 😁

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@spacewalden8358 that’s a grip

  • @dnczardnczar
    @dnczardnczar 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great video Nate. If interested, check out the drummer on the left in this video with a stick in his left hand. He's doing exactly what you are talking about except he is also using his ring and little finger the way you describe using just your middle finger. At times he will also remove the ring and little finger from the stick all together. Why would he do that? El Estepario, for one uses this sticking technique all the time.
    th-cam.com/video/bjAsETV3Byg/w-d-xo.html

  • @alopezdrums
    @alopezdrums 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is no weak limb. Only trained or not trained 🙏

    • @acidtones777
      @acidtones777 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh puhleeze, Yoda. You 100% ambidextrous? I highly doubt it. So yes, there is a weak hand.

  • @wardamo
    @wardamo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, American grip?
    Try setting up your drums left-handed for awhile.

  • @russtarley9648
    @russtarley9648 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ... notice your left wrist is moving more than your right when switching to fingers ...

  • @horner1641
    @horner1641 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My left foot can go like 250-260 but my right foot can't an can only go maybe 220. Yet my right can easily do 100 to 200 but my left can't do 90 to 150 with out stomping...this is hellish ngl

  • @itslcchs
    @itslcchs 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    polite comment

  • @cspahn3221
    @cspahn3221 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:12 awkward?

  • @thehogus
    @thehogus 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Luckily I'm fully ambidextrous. I.e, equally bad with both hands.

    • @8020drummer
      @8020drummer  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thehogus 🤣

  • @unclemeat8422
    @unclemeat8422 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    WHOS THE SHIT I JUST GOT IT 80 percent lean 20 percent fat. IM A MORON.

  • @19tet
    @19tet 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    okay ur gonna laugh when u hear this but my left hand is better at push pulls n my right hand better at singles 😂 🤷🏾

  • @AardvaarkTonto
    @AardvaarkTonto 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Using just fingers. You may find the right hand / arm stays still but the left hand / arm moves around more. It's all in the backbeat. Your left hand hits and stays down. Actually if you start playing left / other handed you will find that your right hand doing the backbeat sucks too but in a different way. We train our hands for different main jobs. Rolls and choreography are a different science.