While I can easily understand Mahidevran advocating for her son (I'd be shocked if she didn't!), she single handedly smashed her own argument apart by deciding to make accusations against Hurrem. Her emotions get the better of her, turning a concerned, rational argument into one that sounds petty and finger pointing.
Yet I kinda like this as a writing move, since it's a strong contrast of the otherwise calmer and more collected S03 Mahidevran. When she gets put in the same tense environment once again, her old reactions get back to her as odds seem to be against her and she reaches her desperation point. It's like she tries everything to turn things around (with this scene being the last straw) and nothing works.. so then she becomes more and more impulse driven and has no choice but to act herself, this was a decent enough transition to the next step of her character arc.
@@plams4488 while i can try to understand where you're coming from, she is never portrayed in a "calm" and "collected" manner. If anything, she is more "calm" and assertive in Manisa🤷♀️ if in any point she was "impulse" driven it was definitely in the capital. She often acted on feelings there. The older mahidevran in manisa was more calm and sensible, and trying to use her logic to be a step ahead, to secure mustafas succession to the throne.
Mahi emphatically states that the Sultan is not in charge of the empirical decisions, but Hurrem is. If I were him, I'd have slapped her face for that insult.
Mustafa is a very kind and loving brother. And he is right. "If you don't change your life, life will change you". Very wise and true. Unfortunately Mihrimah didn't listen carefully enough. It seems that life has already changed her.
Mustafa did many mistakes when Hurrem or Rustem were not behind them. Everybody told him that He Will be a new ruler but sometimes He forgot Suleiman had to make decision about the throne.
@@Aliaakaramm for example he build a boat and he said.He had Helena in his harem but she was never slave and according to rules he kidnapped her. He gave soldiers money but it is against to rule. AGAIN. Hurrem and Rustem did nothing in these cases. Mustafa did it because he wanted. Of course They told what he did but these are his own mistakes.
@@nelzz8406 the boat he send to soliman about it Restum burned the letter And there was a kidnnaped boy So So you claiming that's its away from hurrem ànd restum is a lie Helna was wrong yes but not a treason nor did he kidnnap he saved her from an old man want to buy her and she didntvwant him but he was blackmailing her father he just loved her and wanted to marry her soliman won't be harmed if he approved Soldiers mo ey are not against rules Thier wages thier right
@@nelzz8406 and also he was exchanging letters with people who were also convincing mustafa to take over throne replacing suleyman.. When suleyman transferred them all to far away.. He really gave mustafa like many many chances.. He married mehrunissa, who father held quite a power.. And hid his marriage.. How come hurrem is responsible for all this.. I dont understand.. Did she hypnotize mustafa to do all this?? Mustafa once came with the army to topkapi palace which every one thought it was a rebel.. He did so many Mistakes.. Infact in history he was also tranferred away from amasya to more far place..
In real life this wasnt an exile. Manisa was a more safe place for a prince,especially for someone that should get experience. Thats why Mehmet was send there. Amasya on the other hand was really important because it was near borders of the sea and near Safavid Empire.
Mahidevran never knew when to quit, she always went too far and was too emotional whenever she tried advocating for Mustafa. She obviously lacked the intelligence to know she shouldn't confront Suleiman about any of his decisions, but then to start losing it and blaming Hurrem? As if Suleiman wasn't the Sultan and not making all the decisions! What a total idiot! She should have instead encouraged Mustafa to take his new assignment and make the best of it. Mustafa needed to prove he could be responsible and obey his father, and expand his experience as a shezade that might some day become the sultan Not sure why he thought Manisa was a permanent assignment. Even Suleiman was moved around a lot as a shezade. There was no reason for all the whining from Mustafa and Mahidevran.
Mahi stating to Suleyman that Hurrem is in charge of the empire only proved to Sultan that Mustafa was under the influence of a foolish, disrespectful woman. Mahi is very pretty on the outside, but inside, she's petty, jealous, selfish, and worst of all, wants the empire served up to her without question. In America, we say "she's all bark and no bite" which means she's not fit for purpose.
Sah is the only one with a cool head and some common sense. Why do I get the feeling that Mahidevran and Hatice going to create a catastrophe together…
@@DimSK. , your mind👎👎👎👎👎👎Hurrem and Suleyman kills Ibrahim, Mustafa was very young😭😥, her mother , childrens and wife were hurt, Hatice and her childrens were hurt! I don't see in my life these evils!👎👎👎👎👎👎😭
@@DimSK. , whom he betrayed? Hureem, Rustem , Selim was a liars!👎👎👎👎👎👎 Mustafa was great, smart, good, all peoples love him, but Selim was awful, drunkard, bad!👎👎👎👎👎👎Hurrem was an evil and Suleyman was a tyrant!👎👎👎👎👎👎
@@luizadoca210 because of the way she raised him. Mahi made Hurrem his enemy from the start, even tho Hurrem never wanted kids involved in their fight. And Mahi was always around with "get ready to become a Sultan" and it poisoned his mind as well. Also, she cried so much in front of him its crazy. Hurrem tried to be strong in front of her kids, Mahi used Mustafa as a pillow to cry on
@@luizadoca210 they didn't really have a years-long fight either. Mahi did start a fight with Hurrem and was punished for it. Hatice was never married to Ibrahim and never hated Hurrem. Valide loved Hurrem and respected her. Suleiman never cheated on Hurrem. And?
I love the way they all act so innocent. Mahidevran has imprisoned, beaten, poisoned, stolen from and maligned Hurrem for years. Hatice has drugged Hurrem ,til she thought she was going mad, plotted to replace her with Firuze, I sulted and humiliated Hurrem. And now they are calling themselves victims.!! Good plot line!
The problem with Mahidevran, is she does not know how to get around Sulieman. She challenges and argues.. insolently answers back , and tries to order him around.! She puts his back up with just her voice!
These women drive me crazy. If they had just been friendly and not poked the tiger in Hurrem none if this would’ve happened. They’re all dead because of ego
I love how delightfully unhinged Mahidevran is from start to finish. Then the others get infected and they share the delusion that she controls Suleyman. The difference is that Hurrem almost always directly asks him for what she wants. Everyone else tries sly 💩 and blame Hurrem for their stupidity
He is a king not God. Had he head on his shoulders , he would have clearly seen how loyal Mustangs was. But no, Hurrem had put the kings head in his knees and he was not aware of it.
I know hurrem, mirhi, and rustem were the ones who provided the gun, but Mahi was the one who provided the ammunition and motive, when looked at Mustafa he didn't see his son, but his mother's (mahi) ambitions and plotting (even though he never did any of that). Twice they tried to place Mustafa on the throne when suleiman was at death's door or missing, Mahi and Mustafa never showed his legal wife (Hurrem) proper respect, which by extension meant lack of respect towards him as Sultan.
True or not Mehmet would always have put time in at Manisa because Suleiman planned him to be his heir. Mahidevran hurt herself and Mustafa more by appealing to him to change his decision than if she'd just accepted it.
I believe Mahidevran was too much, the sultan can decide wether a sehzade goes to a province or not, they dont have a saying in that. IMO it was a test to see what would Mustafa do.
Mahidevran....meaness& evilness& cunningness over- loaded 😎😎 She cries& begs sulaiman to change his decision 😎if ever he did that....the 1st thing she did would have been ...boasting to hurrem...insult& threaten hurrem and prompting mustafa also to do the same 😎😎 Mahidevran..the snake...has multiple faces 😎😎when Sha left the roon...she slyly provocate hatice to act against hurrem 😡😡
@@hjurassic7142 yes thats only what hurrem can do.. honey traps the sultan with her lovely words and poisons his mind against her enemies... After she gets what she wants from the sultan, she will also boastfully taunt her victory near mahidevran, valide and others... Seen many such scenes...
Mustafa the best brother Never knew mihrmahs black heart turning Mehmet against him puppet Mehmet She didn't deserve him She was sold as a slave by her mother to restum
Mustafa is the best sehzade, kind,loving brother to all his sibblings.. He is loyal to his father... everyone accepts that he did few mistakes, he is only capable sultan to the ottoman empire after Sultan suleiman khan.. But how come a father kills his own son jus by listening to witch? Suleiman only listen to hurrem.. if any person talks behalf of Mustafa or support him they critisize n warns them ... Eg. Ibrahim pasha, kapudan pasha, nausad efendi, mehmet efendi, hatice sultan etc.. poor Mustafa...
@@sunnysun3740 BECAUSE SHE LOVED SULEIMAN? when hurrem does the same thing to other girls u guys say she loves suleiman but when mahi does it she's evil. So PLZZ STOP WITH THE BIASEDNESS LMAO
I dont like hurrem she destroyed everyone life no wonder why I stopped watching the moment I dislike her. Lol she supposed to be the good but she the evil
@@hjurassic7142 they hated hurrem since day 1.. Valide Sultana favors mahidevran always.. Mahidevran poisoned Valide's mind reason why no matter Hurrem did Valide always finds her not good for his son.. Hurren keep her cool but it reaches to its limits she play the game and she plays very well.. They let the horn of hurrem grow and they feed it very well.. Now Hurrem is unstoppable they blame her for the disaster they are in, it all backfired to them.. They created 1st the problem and now they are complaining hurrem for everythibg w/o analizing that they themselves are the 1st problem.. 😁🤭
Like Hürrem said once to Afife Hatun "they are only talking about what I did, but they never talk about that what they did to me" (Valide, Mahidevran, Ibrahim)
While I can easily understand Mahidevran advocating for her son (I'd be shocked if she didn't!), she single handedly smashed her own argument apart by deciding to make accusations against Hurrem. Her emotions get the better of her, turning a concerned, rational argument into one that sounds petty and finger pointing.
Yet I kinda like this as a writing move, since it's a strong contrast of the otherwise calmer and more collected S03 Mahidevran. When she gets put in the same tense environment once again, her old reactions get back to her as odds seem to be against her and she reaches her desperation point. It's like she tries everything to turn things around (with this scene being the last straw) and nothing works.. so then she becomes more and more impulse driven and has no choice but to act herself, this was a decent enough transition to the next step of her character arc.
I agree. Mahidevran handled herself quite well and made a good speech. Then… she completely ruined everything.
@@plams4488 while i can try to understand where you're coming from, she is never portrayed in a "calm" and "collected" manner. If anything, she is more "calm" and assertive in Manisa🤷♀️ if in any point she was "impulse" driven it was definitely in the capital. She often acted on feelings there. The older mahidevran in manisa was more calm and sensible, and trying to use her logic to be a step ahead, to secure mustafas succession to the throne.
Mahi emphatically states that the Sultan is not in charge of the empirical decisions, but Hurrem is. If I were him, I'd have slapped her face for that insult.
Mustafa is a very kind and loving brother. And he is right. "If you don't change your life, life will change you". Very wise and true. Unfortunately Mihrimah didn't listen carefully enough. It seems that life has already changed her.
Mustafa needed that advice more than Mhirimah. Life indeed changed him
Mustafa did many mistakes when Hurrem or Rustem were not behind them. Everybody told him that He Will be a new ruler but sometimes He forgot Suleiman had to make decision about the throne.
Which were
@@Aliaakaramm for example he build a boat and he said.He had Helena in his harem but she was never slave and according to rules he kidnapped her. He gave soldiers money but it is against to rule. AGAIN. Hurrem and Rustem did nothing in these cases. Mustafa did it because he wanted. Of course They told what he did but these are his own mistakes.
@@nelzz8406 the boat he send to soliman about it
Restum burned the letter
And there was a kidnnaped boy So
So you claiming that's its away from hurrem ànd restum is a lie
Helna was wrong yes but not a treason nor did he kidnnap he saved her from an old man want to buy her and she didntvwant him but he was blackmailing her father he just loved her and wanted to marry her soliman won't be harmed if he approved
Soldiers mo ey are not against rules
Thier wages thier right
@@savannahshane2231 no soliman can't make anyone sultan
He will be dead
And capable one will rule
@@nelzz8406 and also he was exchanging letters with people who were also convincing mustafa to take over throne replacing suleyman.. When suleyman transferred them all to far away.. He really gave mustafa like many many chances.. He married mehrunissa, who father held quite a power.. And hid his marriage.. How come hurrem is responsible for all this.. I dont understand.. Did she hypnotize mustafa to do all this??
Mustafa once came with the army to topkapi palace which every one thought it was a rebel.. He did so many Mistakes.. Infact in history he was also tranferred away from amasya to more far place..
Mahidevran’s beauty helped her to have the first Sehzade. And her empty head prevented all the other things.
In real life this wasnt an exile. Manisa was a more safe place for a prince,especially for someone that should get experience. Thats why Mehmet was send there. Amasya on the other hand was really important because it was near borders of the sea and near Safavid Empire.
Yes. Suleiman appointed to Amasya so Mustafa gained many experienced from different provinces.
Considering the prince that was the closest to the capital would be crowned, as the Ottomans had no succession laws, it wasn't much of a promotion
Mahidevran never knew when to quit, she always went too far and was too emotional whenever she tried advocating for Mustafa. She obviously lacked the intelligence to know she shouldn't confront Suleiman about any of his decisions, but then to start losing it and blaming Hurrem? As if Suleiman wasn't the Sultan and not making all the decisions! What a total idiot! She should have instead encouraged Mustafa to take his new assignment and make the best of it. Mustafa needed to prove he could be responsible and obey his father, and expand his experience as a shezade that might some day become the sultan Not sure why he thought Manisa was a permanent assignment. Even Suleiman was moved around a lot as a shezade. There was no reason for all the whining from Mustafa and Mahidevran.
Mahi stating to Suleyman that Hurrem is in charge of the empire only proved to Sultan that Mustafa was under the influence of a foolish, disrespectful woman. Mahi is very pretty on the outside, but inside, she's petty, jealous, selfish, and worst of all, wants the empire served up to her without question. In America, we say "she's all bark and no bite" which means she's not fit for purpose.
Sometime mahidevran need open minded..
Because of her thought, mustafa always think that amasya was a punishment and exiled from sultan
Mustafa is my favourite prince though I hate his mother. I just love his loyalty to his siblings and how much he loves them.
Hes really not like his mother and that's why he's so likeable
For real, Sultan Suleiman and Mahidevran looks like stranger even they ever love each other in past.
Sah is the only one with a cool head and some common sense. Why do I get the feeling that Mahidevran and Hatice going to create a catastrophe together…
Sah won't have a cool head for long.
@@sunnysun3740 oh dear…
Hatice did it alone this time.
Omg, Mahidevran is simply manipulating Hatice with the full awareness of her mental problems and grief after Ibrahim… That’s cruel.
Exactly, she does that in her entire life so she turns everyone against hurrem sultan, such a trash person she is.
@@DimSK., Hurrem, Suleyman, Mihrimah, Selim, Rustem are an evils!👎👎👎👎😡😡😡😡
@@luizadoca210 mahidevran evil, Mustafa traitor. Suleiman sisters hatice Shah fatma traitors and evil.
@@DimSK. , your mind👎👎👎👎👎👎Hurrem and Suleyman kills Ibrahim, Mustafa was very young😭😥, her mother , childrens and wife were hurt, Hatice and her childrens were hurt! I don't see in my life these evils!👎👎👎👎👎👎😭
@@DimSK. , whom he betrayed? Hureem, Rustem , Selim was a liars!👎👎👎👎👎👎 Mustafa was great, smart, good, all peoples love him, but Selim was awful, drunkard, bad!👎👎👎👎👎👎Hurrem was an evil and Suleyman was a tyrant!👎👎👎👎👎👎
She cracks me up, still thinking she has enough power to change the Sultans mind ! Lol
She loves his son and she is afraid for his life!
@@luizadoca210 then she should be smart while defending him, and not make any pointless accusations, which always make matters worse for her son.
Well she just might have if she stopped at defending Mustafa & not accused Hurrem yet again
She too brave to questioned sultan decision..No wonder her son did the same thing
Or too stupid
Mahidevran is soooo pretty and her accent is nice
More prettier than Hurrem
@@hjurassic7142 agree
However, she always cries and whines. No matter how beautiful she is, if I were a man, I would be fed of her soon
What kind of accent she has? Sorry I'm not so familiar with turkish language so I definitely don't hear if someone has an accent 😀
@@EvernightDreamer the way she speak.
I would say that Mahidevran was the cause of Mustafa's death from his childhood..
Why? Hurrem was the cause
Hurrem and Rustem pasha were cause of Mustafa death.... Suleiman was lame and deaf because of hurrem
@@luizadoca210 because of the way she raised him. Mahi made Hurrem his enemy from the start, even tho Hurrem never wanted kids involved in their fight. And Mahi was always around with "get ready to become a Sultan" and it poisoned his mind as well. Also, she cried so much in front of him its crazy. Hurrem tried to be strong in front of her kids, Mahi used Mustafa as a pillow to cry on
@@Alena-cz7hj , Hurrem was an evil! Mahidevran didn't kill her kid in real life!
@@luizadoca210 they didn't really have a years-long fight either. Mahi did start a fight with Hurrem and was punished for it. Hatice was never married to Ibrahim and never hated Hurrem. Valide loved Hurrem and respected her. Suleiman never cheated on Hurrem. And?
I love the way they all act so innocent. Mahidevran has imprisoned, beaten, poisoned, stolen from and maligned Hurrem for years. Hatice has drugged Hurrem ,til she thought she was going mad, plotted to replace her with Firuze, I sulted and humiliated Hurrem. And now they are calling themselves victims.!! Good plot line!
The problem with Mahidevran, is she does not know how to get around Sulieman. She challenges and argues.. insolently answers back , and tries to order him around.! She puts his back up with just her voice!
These women drive me crazy. If they had just been friendly and not poked the tiger in Hurrem none if this would’ve happened. They’re all dead because of ego
How many times can a parent listen to excuses before they figure out that they're not excuses, they're lies.
I love how delightfully unhinged Mahidevran is from start to finish. Then the others get infected and they share the delusion that she controls Suleyman. The difference is that Hurrem almost always directly asks him for what she wants. Everyone else tries sly 💩 and blame Hurrem for their stupidity
Sangat sulit memrankan karakter yang selalu sedih dan menangis.. nur sngat hebat
It is a mistake to argue with a king, bad enough accusing him of favoritism
He is a king not God. Had he head on his shoulders , he would have clearly seen how loyal Mustangs was. But no, Hurrem had put the kings head in his knees and he was not aware of it.
I know hurrem, mirhi, and rustem were the ones who provided the gun, but Mahi was the one who provided the ammunition and motive, when looked at Mustafa he didn't see his son, but his mother's (mahi) ambitions and plotting (even though he never did any of that).
Twice they tried to place Mustafa on the throne when suleiman was at death's door or missing, Mahi and Mustafa never showed his legal wife (Hurrem) proper respect, which by extension meant lack of respect towards him as Sultan.
I know Mustafa was always nasty to Hurrem while her sons was always nice to mahi
Come on!Mustafa was killed because he was never against his father.otherwise,Hurrem tried a lot,but was not able to kill our powerful Mustafa❤
True or not Mehmet would always have put time in at Manisa because Suleiman planned him to be his heir. Mahidevran hurt herself and Mustafa more by appealing to him to change his decision than if she'd just accepted it.
Always blaming Hurrem. What happen to her 🤔🤔🤔. Always provoked Hatice, Shah Sultan, same as before...
Hurrem and suleyman was wrong for that poor mustafa deserved better mustafa didn't wanted to love the throne he wanted to be loved by his father
Rustem and his jealousy🤦♂His face when he saw brother and sister hugging.
I believe Mahidevran was too much, the sultan can decide wether a sehzade goes to a province or not, they dont have a saying in that. IMO it was a test to see what would Mustafa do.
5:03 Who said Mustafa was innocent, he was not!
so calling out someone for their wrong doings is bad
Mustafà si è bruciato per colpa della madre. Ha dato l'impressione di stare ancora sotto le gonnella della madre, strega senza frontiere
Mahidevran....meaness& evilness& cunningness over- loaded 😎😎
She cries& begs sulaiman to change his decision 😎if ever he did that....the 1st thing she did would have been ...boasting to hurrem...insult& threaten hurrem and prompting mustafa also to do the same 😎😎
Mahidevran..the snake...has multiple faces 😎😎when Sha left the roon...she slyly provocate hatice to act against hurrem 😡😡
Hurrem also would do the same in such a situation...
@@garnipudipavani4946 yeah agree she would go there and tell sulieman how much she love her and then will ask him for whatever she wants
@@hjurassic7142 yes thats only what hurrem can do.. honey traps the sultan with her lovely words and poisons his mind against her enemies...
After she gets what she wants from the sultan, she will also boastfully taunt her victory near mahidevran, valide and others... Seen many such scenes...
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Mustafa was stupid enough to fall into their trap; he deserved to be banished.
Mustafa the best brother
Never knew mihrmahs black heart turning Mehmet against him puppet Mehmet
She didn't deserve him
She was sold as a slave by her mother to restum
Poor sulieman he has to deal with everything
He didnt break his heart...he killed him
Suleyman gerek mahidevrandan diggetini esirgemiyeydi ilk shahzadeni o dunyaya getirib
Why Mustafa showing a jealousy face?? Can't a brother hug his little sister??
You mean rustem...not mustafa...
Mustafa is the best sehzade, kind,loving brother to all his sibblings.. He is loyal to his father... everyone accepts that he did few mistakes, he is only capable sultan to the ottoman empire after Sultan suleiman khan.. But how come a father kills his own son jus by listening to witch? Suleiman only listen to hurrem.. if any person talks behalf of Mustafa or support him they critisize n warns them ...
Eg. Ibrahim pasha, kapudan pasha, nausad efendi, mehmet efendi, hatice sultan etc.. poor Mustafa...
Hurrem literally blinded him (sulieman)
ambisius mahidevil wanting mustafa to the throne,
I'm sorry mahi. He only listens to the witch :( ur tears are nothing infront of her fake tears
Everyone be mad about hurrem and not the one that started it lol
@@kanooclips5000Mahidevran was the only women to have a Prince with sulieman but Hurrem came in their life so basically Hurrem started it
@@hjurassic7142 no, she finished it. But Mahi started
@@sunnysun3740 BECAUSE SHE LOVED SULEIMAN? when hurrem does the same thing to other girls u guys say she loves suleiman but when mahi does it she's evil. So PLZZ STOP WITH THE BIASEDNESS LMAO
@@moosaraza4685 Mahi loved her self firs. That is where she made the mistake.
Her son people, her son.
Hate Suleyman, Hurrem, Mihrimah &Selim!👎👎👎👎👎👎😡😡😡😡😡 I love Mahidevran, Mustafa, Hatice, Ibrahim, Gulfem!😍👍👏🔝👑
Neden hurremden bashga hech kese inanmir suleyman
How true was the sense of a mother for her son……. Due to all the hurrems manipulations going around since years
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Better, you're welcome🤣
Mahidevran shdve left d dynasty n taken her son away or hv hurrem n team killed.
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I dont like hurrem she destroyed everyone life no wonder why I stopped watching the moment I dislike her. Lol she supposed to be the good but she the evil
"They" make them evil.. Now they are complaining😁.
I started hating her too some time ago when I realized that she's the biggest problem for everything
@@hjurassic7142 they hated hurrem since day 1.. Valide Sultana favors mahidevran always.. Mahidevran poisoned Valide's mind reason why no matter Hurrem did Valide always finds her not good for his son.. Hurren keep her cool but it reaches to its limits she play the game and she plays very well.. They let the horn of hurrem grow and they feed it very well.. Now Hurrem is unstoppable they blame her for the disaster they are in, it all backfired to them.. They created 1st the problem and now they are complaining hurrem for everythibg w/o analizing that they themselves are the 1st problem.. 😁🤭
Like Hürrem said once to Afife Hatun "they are only talking about what I did, but they never talk about that what they did to me" (Valide, Mahidevran, Ibrahim)
She was protecting herself from people that attacked her first.
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