Rare Sharp SF1 Combo TV And Super Famicom In One Plus Repairs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- The excitement soon turns to agony as I find problems with the system.
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After removing the super famicom SF1 from the box I was excited to see how well the packaging was. After plugging the system in and trying it with a game I soon found that the slot didnt want to work right away which I thought might have been related to just being dirty. soon after however I noticed that when the game did finally turn on there was text missing for it. I thought that the missing text was also related to the dirty slot but after adjusting the brightness on the game and finding there was no change I decided to start up Actraiser and play it only to find that the background graphics were corrupt. I opened it up, found some bad caps and traces and fixed that up and put everything back together only to find that now the rgb had disappeared from the monitor but the sound was there.by using the av multi out and plugging it into the back of the tv I was able to get the system to work without rgb but still it had severe background graphic glitches the same as before.
Since this is a super famicom I thought that it must have similar if not the same parts as a console super fami so I dug out my fully working super famicom and started to cannibalize it. I would never have thought of doing such a thing for fun but seeing how the super famicom unit in the TV was custom and could not easily be replaced I needed to repair that no matter what the cost.
I removed ram chips off of my working super famicom and tried swapping them over, nothing, no change from before. I went over the bottom ceramic capacitors with flux, no change.I tried to swap over the rgb encoder from the snes, it got worse so I put the old one back in. I went over all the chips with flux and tried to re solder them, nothing changed. then I started to suspect the PPUs. I know that PPU1 does all of the major work for the system and PPU2 is pretty much like a back up but both of them are responsible for the Picture Graphics. I thought about changing PPU1 but after seeing that the system was actually working and that PPU1 is responsible for the main graphics I decided to leave that one alone, Next I started to suspect PPU2 as it is not only responsible for secondary actions but it was located near the acid eaten area as well as directly connected to the 256 ram chip that looked iffy. It took a long time to remove and transplant the new PPU2 but after I was done I finally got the text and background graphics back. still however, I have no RGB on the monitor and Im really wondering what went wrong. none the less, it is playable now through the av/multi out.
What might have happened with the RGB is that your replacement PPU chip has different RGB pins that do not correspond to the original PPU's.
as a person whom dabbles with repairs myself, i have never had luck with most of them tv combo units, the combo part dies way b4 the tv part, and they make the combo part a freakin nightmare to get out to fix, and they are usually cheesy to begin with. Impressed with the work, that chip replace must have taken hours to complete, wish i had THAT much patience.
I love ultra rare vintage tech, this one is crazy how good it works!
Luke, you spoiled the surprise for us with the title of the video :D
I used a 14 inch TV with Super Nintendo back in the day, one of these combos would have been great for convenience and to save space. Just plug in the controller, the cart and done, no more cables or separate "boxes" required! I think they could have sold well enough in the "west" back in the early nineties, if released.
You should be called the Video Game Resurrector. Figure the odds here. Somebody who knows about this machine; can actually get one; and has the know how to fix it if needed. Your the guy, you were destined to own this machine for sure!
Man you scarred me when you removed the ppi chip there.Boy those Sharp SP1's are very rare,even more then the Dreamcast ones.Nice vid.Keep up the good work and can't wait for your next rare console review/repair.
You've got serious balls attempting repairs on anything like a tv. Kudos to you.
What a cool looking system. Had never seen or heard of this baby until today. Wish this would have come out in America.
Always fascinating to watch your repair vids. My dad used to work as an electronics repairman, so he saved many walkmen of mine in my youth. Hope you can solve the mystery of the lost RGB, but like you said, at least the SFC does work now. :)
I remember seeing this TV/SNES combo in one of dad's issues of Popular Science....I thought it was wild to see it.
There is a product that will let you remove surface mount chips easier compared to regular solder. The stuff remains molten longer so you create a bead around the chip and remove it quickly. What you did worked :)
This might be one of the coolest things I've seen in awhile!
Wow man, I've seen a couple of the sharp nes game televisions before but never a snes model. Pretty sweet that you could find one! Good luck with the troubleshooting!
Great video, Luke. Sorry you couldn't get the RGB working but at least it's playable now with the text. Just got my boxed Super Famicom in the mail and been having a lot of fun with it. Hope you figure out the RGB issue sometime.
That took me on quite a rollercoaster of emotions. I must have gasp at least 3 times.
It was scary watching you accessing part of the internals of the T.V., those things can be a deathtrap!
Wow a very unusual combination i.e. fully integrated unit and all.
Hope you can figure out the RGB, but at least you have got it most of the way there.
Playing with those surface mounted IC's must be hell, you must have very steady hands man!
its a bummer about the RGB, hopefully some of the brains that watch this might be able to help you figure out how to get it back on again. great pick up though, i remember seeing the larger one in an old issue of EGM way back around the same time as the release of the SNES over here. i always thought it would be the perfect SFC SNES setup for a perfectly perfect picture. i am happy for you and hope hope hope you get that RGB figured out.
Praise to you Luke. This is a very challenging project indeed. This soldering requires alot of skill. And of course your determination is something to take example of.
Cheers
Loved your discharge Screw Driver for the HV Cap.
Holy crap that looks sick! Kudos on adding yet another impressive device to your collection!!!
The SFC should have a stock video encoder chip to turn the RGB into the composite/S-video ouputs, so the SFC part is probably fine and the problem is likely the TV set itself unfortunately. If the RGB pins on the multi-out are wired up, do as Martin said and try hooking it up to an external RGB monitor to make sure, but if you're getting composite, the RGB lines are at least making it as far as the video encoder.
Hi Luke. Is there an update for this video? Did you ever get the RGB to work again?
Amazing pickup! Thanx for showing us such a rare console. This is one of my holy grails which ill prob never own
That is an awesome pickup Luke. Shame it doesnt work properly 100% but Im sure you will work it out. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome video Luke. I love watching your repair jobs.
Very cool! And I believe it is rare if master Luke says so :D Would be interesting to test if you can use some other RGB outputting device to see if its the monitor RGB in thats broken or if its the built in SNES RGB out that is dead. Good job fixing the PPU though!
Reading up on the TV, at least on wikipedia, it says it uses the S-video (chroma and luma) to connect the Super Famicom to the TV and not the RGB signal.
What a struggle, man! I was rooting for you the whole time. That thing is a beast. It's a miracle to me that it runs at all! Nice work, Luke.
You've obviously been through hell with this SF1, so I hope you manage to get the RGB working at some point... It's a really cool combo.
I know you can bring back the RGB on this important piece. You might see if you can get RGB off the SFC and out to a known working display? Then you'll know for sure if it's the monitor or the SFC. If it's on the SFC, it should be a little easier to track down..? I noticed there's a large wiring hardness over on the side where those leaky caps were, perhaps it suffered trace damage, and you working at it was enough to knock out the sync?
Either way, congrats, nice work, and good luck, Luke!
when i was young my neighbor use to own the NES/tv combo i always thought he built it him self years later i found out they sharp made them
I have a Super Nintendo with the same trouble. Thank you for sharing! By the way amazing pick up. You are very lucky to have a Sharp SF1 Combo TV.
That's really too bad that you can't get the S-Video working, that would've made this perfect. Maybe it is the RGB chip. Thanks for the video, awesome stuff.
Yeah, It's possibile and quite simple if you have a big CRT tv. Just put a SNES inside the TV shell, connect the power and the video with some wires and cut holes for the cartridge and controller ports. But you have to be skilled to make it beauty enough :)
Such a cool looking item, a totally awesome find. Man, this video was a journey! Must have been hours and hours of work you put into this repair. That's too bad about the RGB, but still awesome that via the av out it's working perfectly. Great vid, enjoyed seeing the whole process chronicled.
I miss these days of the channel
hey luke i got an sf1 14" i got super cheap it was parted out so its missing the super famicom board so i was wondering if u chould help me with some images of yours what plug did it use to send video to the tv board for display i got an idea where i may strip down a normal famicom and make it fit inside the sf1 to restore it let me know thanks
I was so glad to hear you being so happy about the machine, and the best thing is you got it working :)
What an amazing obscure system ! :-) gutted for you that it's not 100% but at least it's working well ! Great vid Luke :-)
hey Luke I was looking at some Namco games and noticed a racing game called Techno Drive is not in Mame that was on the Namco Sysytem 12 hardware. Being that you're in Japan, maybe you could track down a pcb of it for yourself or to help out to get it in Mame. Must be a very rare game. Figured this would give you another rare and cool looking game to look out for. Keep up the awesome repairs! Just google 'system 16 techno drive' and you'll pull up some photos of it.
Now you have a super famicon to repair :) I liked the looks of that game.
I never knew this was a thing...but now I want one.
Hi, I've heard about you by a NeoGaf member, said you have (and you do) some insane skills on repairing and modding video games. So first off, congratulations on your videos! Wanted to ask you though, I'm trying to switch the buttons on a snes controller for gray ones (like the original game boy) but I can't seem to find buttons like to replace the snes X and Y, the concave ones. Would you know of anything about that? Thank you!
Man, seriously cool! It's a pity about the RGB, but hey, it's an SF-1!!!
I mean, I wouldn't say that it's rare necessarily. I owned both the 21G and 14G at one point (ended up selling the 21G because it was missing the control panel flap which was unreasonably annoying to me for some reason, but I still have the 14G), and there's always a few of them very highly priced on Yahoo Auctions, even back in 2013.
Wow, a very rare machine indeed! Looks extremely cool.
Replacing that PPU and those other chips must have been a freakin nightmare! I imagine the stress involved with working on rare hardware like this would be pretty high! haha.
At least you've got some video to work. Is it the RGB out on the console or the TV's RGB in that's at fault? I just wonder if it might be something simple like those corroded SMD caps near the console's harness you showed/reflowed at the start?
Luke check this out :) this device was featured on a TV Program from the 90's broadcast in the UK!! Bad Influence! Series 2 Episode 5
At 18:35
Awesome! Never knew they made something like this.
I use old commodore 64 13'' monitors to play older games, love the picture but unfortunately they're crapping out
You do a miracle ! with Actraiser that have a little filling of heaven.
Just got one of these and it seems to be much more sick than yours was, the monitor section has vertical frame collapse and the SFC portion doesn't seem to even power on :( I have a ton of parts ordered including the vertical deflection IC and a few transistors (one of which seems to have visibly smoked itself) and a ton a of caps. Will make a video once the parts get here and see what we can do!
You said to me you haven't had time to look at them ?
Are you giving me aload of bullshit again big boy
+Nintendo Arcade If you look at the date this was 8 months ago so forgive me if I forget. It looks like I should have some parts for it though so if I find them I'll send them on with the other bits. Seriously a lots happened in those 8 months so yeah I don't really remember much about stuff like this
That would be appreciated thank you
Nice score! I wonder how long it will take you to revisit the RGB fix (svideo as TwistedD85PS3 mentions). You've never been the type to accept owning an only partially working rare system! :)
Awesome machine, your repair vids are always great
The car on the cover of Rock and Roll racing looks a lot like the current gen Camaro. But anyways, nice find and video!
Yeah, just wish I was more confident in my soldering skills to mess around with it haha
Oh man, great find luke! Bummer though.
Hey Luke, can you maybe put up a video or a reference to how you fixed up those traces? I have a few boards for game systems that need new ones and I seem to only be making them worse.
Awesome find on this TV though, they always interested me greatly. How much did you get it for?
Was happy for you when it worked third time lucky, although, if it didn't work, it's in very capable hands.
It's awesome when you get rare systems/games and eventually work inside of them out of the box xP
Super cool fix ,looks like a vectrex or dreamcast Divers . I read ...then watched...sorry Luke iam bad that way..lol Happy Easter bro.
Holy shit batman that sime epic game/tv cool man glad u got your hands on it Luke.
Luke, great work on the TV. Too bad about the RGB, but you got it, anyway! I always enjoy watching your videos.
Seb (Halfblingamer) and I saw souche a TV On a retrofair once. Cool system.
Sacrificing a working Super Famicom to save this rarity was the right thing to do. Glad all your hard work paid off and I hope RGB comes back some day.
Just gotta say that Actraiser is one awesome game.
Maybe RGB doesnt work when you have that other cord plugged in,keep looking at it im sure your get it going
it's not his first time though, because he tried all he could with a heavily messed up Golden Tee 2 PCB, but it didn't work. But that's how you learn, through trial and error.
Probably as soon as you get another broken super famicon. But great find.
sweet find luke! that thing is awesome!
your repair videos are awesome keep up the good work
Awesome very jealous . :) .
Lol a lot of pp and number 2s in this episode lol .
Luke, what happens if you plug a SNES RGB scart cable into the multi-out on the system and then then plug the scart cable into a different TV? This might give you a clue as to if it's a issue with the SNES board in there or something else in the TV.
oh well, that´s kinda bad... you bought such a nice and rare machine and it just won´t work properly =( but i´m with ya in terms of having the writing or the rgb, i would also choose the writing^^ you definately tried your best and at least it is playable, so congrats luke =)
maybe you could check the section shown at 10:33, from the BA6592F (pin 6 is chroma and 23 luma), its out traces, the jump you made there, and the bunch of capacitors (shorts?) next to the connector, and those two traces between the cover soldering point and the capacitors...
the lower part of the board on that section looks scary to look for traces... lots of smd parts there...
Anyhow, hope you get lucky and fix that monster...
cheers!
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Looks absolutely Awesome Luke!
Congrats on the pickup! :P Maybe one day after doing more research, you'll be able to fix the SF1 100% :)
quick tip its found out the system is using s video not rgb looks like cable vd supplys the svideo to the tv board
Hello Luke, I follow your channel since long time ago and I need to tell you are awesome, dude! Thank you very much for share your videos. Well, I have a question and I was wondering if you can help me. I will thank you a lot if you can solve my problem. I just received my Sharp SF1, but when I change to the screen game mode, this has spots in the TV screen and can’t I see very well my Super Famicom Games. However, the another two modes don’t have this problem. Do you know what problem my TV has? Thank you Very much in advance. I hope you are Ok. Have a great day. See you!
awesome. the only complaint, why just one speaker? since it is Stereo
I love your videos man! Keep up the good work
That is one awesome tv Luke.
Hahaha it says IRON MAN MARK VII on the box.
Great find Luke
Luke you scared me at 12:38 i thought you had melted the chip by the caps at first
Hi have you fixed the rgb?
I have a similar issue but also the external input of the tv doesn’t work
Ah that's a shame. I wonder if the regular 14" Sharp TVs from the same year were much the same on the inside. It might not be too difficult to track down a generic unit to use for parts? Either way it's still such a cool item to have in the collection! Fart MahSharp Super Combo! xD
I haven't seen or heard of this tv and games console combo befor
Maybe this unit has a diferent chip pinout than the regular sufami, How about taking it to a repair shop later if you cant figure it out? Would be a shame leaving such unit like that :(
I have tried to repair a Super Nintendo before. But when i tried to remove the PPU2 the board got a big lump under the chip almost as the board got stung by a bee. xD By the way have you tried the "SNES SuperCIC Switchless Mod"?
damn man u are like macguyver when it comes to checkin this shit out, haha! loved the video!
Soooo I don't know how that thing is wired but maybe you accidentally tugged on something when you took it apart or reassembled it.
Sound and no picture just makes me think of loose connections.
That is cool, awesome and also rad.
Luke, are you still going to try to research about the RGB issue? Or are you just going to settle with what you came up with as a solution? That's a freakin' sweet ass system my friend.
Rare ? More like one of a kind !
I had a Sharp tv with a built in vcr and it only had one speaker on the left side..
This might seem a little crazy, but is it possible the sf1 uses a custom ppu that allows it to output better video quality internally? Cause the composite is working.
Id like to see you fixing the iron man armor
You know when the video started and I seen the box I was thinking some wearable replica Iron Man Armor even though the video is titled differently lol.
Can anyone else hear the high pitched frequency this TV is producing? I feel like it wasn't this noticeable when I was younger, but these days when I play on a CRT (I still love them dearly) the noise is intolerable for me.
+SeizureRobot5000 I hear it all the time; even from some LCD TVs and computer monitors up close. That sound combined with my tinnitus makes for a very uncomfortable feeling haha.