I would assume that you are asking where the indication for BOD is shown (vs TD or TOD). In some aircraft types, this is displayed in the form of a graphic symbol which is "tied" to your route-of-flight line and which moves fore and aft along that line. When you think about it, unlike the TOD, the bottom of descent point is constantly changing. For example, when you reduce power, the BOD graphic point will move to show you will arrive at the bottom "sooner" whereas increasing your power (reducing your rate of descent) will obviously delay reaching the BOD which means it will be further down your planned track. Systems which have this ability are common and are extremely helpful. In the real world, the computer is constantly computing the BOD based on everything you do at the flight controls to affect the BOD point. The computer, then, constantly moves this BOD graphic along your course line instantaneously. Practically speaking, this is a really terrific feature because, for example, you can adjust any cockpit flight control or engine control which impacts the BOD point so as to attain what you desire. If I want to, for example, cross a certain intersection or point along the route at a given altitude, I can just fly a constant speed descent and adjust the power/rate-of-descent so that the BOD symbol falls directly over the intersection/point. It's important to realize that this bottom-of-descent symbology won't be displayed until you actually BEGIN your descent. Logically, this makes sense because the computer has no idea how you are going to fly the descent. So, it waits for you to "show" your technique (speed and rate of descent) and the computer calculates the results of your doing that. Note that elaborate, sophisticated avionics factor in all of the flight parameters which affect this calculated descent path. This includes density altitude, temperatures/current winds aloft, etc. for example. This feature is dynamic and one of my personal favorites. It works in both climbing and descending profiles. I enjoy this Cirrus G2 but some of these types of features are not to be expected. However, even without the symbology, the VNAV calculations to cross intersections at planned altitudes works reasonably well. If you want to see an outstanding example of better systems, I recommend the PMDG 737-800. The FMC in that product is VERY close in performance the actual aircraft's system and this BOD (moving arc) feature is no exception. It works perfectly just as it does in real life. I hope this helps you. Best regards/fly safe my friend.
Not bad. I fly an SF50G2 for a living. Couple comments: Never takeoff without Bleed/Fresh set to Bleed and the O2 on. The system is set to increase the cabin altitude at specific rates and turning it to Bleed at a few thousand feet can result in arrival at cruise altitude absent correct cabin altitude (hypoxia risk) 2. Don’t be in a hurry to bring the gear up when you still have usable runway beneath you. I know it’s a sim but right is right. IRL, the SF50 is a lot of fun to fly and likely one of if not THE safest single engine airplane made. Cheers.
2 years later this video still helps with msfs 2024! Thanks for this. Can you make a 2024 update for this? Even though almost everything looks/works exactly the same in 2024 it seems like there’s a few differences. And there’s not a lot of 2024 Vision Jet videos that are this helpful.
2:11 In this Vision Jet tutorial, the aircraft is set to VS 2000ft/min for the climb phase, while in your other CJ4 VNAV tutorial, you set the aircraft in FLC mode for the climb phase. Which is the recommended mode for the climb phase? VS or FLC mode? Would FLC + VNAV be a better choice, so that the aircraft FMS follows the altitude restrictions?
Can we have a link to the video where you did the flt plan in the world map, please? The only other video of yours I can find goes to Paris, this one appears to go to Glasgow.
I show the Glasgow one in a few other videos but the principles are always the same (as covered in the world map planning tutorial). The world map route for this one was: Low or high altitude airways (doesn’t matter) EGSS-EGPF Runway 04, BKY04S from stansted ILS 05 at Glasgow, direct approach The sim will fill in the intermediate points
Possibly. Will be in the airplane folder then /Documentation or /Manual if it exists. Alternatively, use the in game checklist or pause this video after each step and write your own
Thanks for the video, its been very helpful. I'm having one issue thought that is driving me nuts and maybe you can help. On final I click the 'Nav source' button but I don't have an option for ILS, only FMS, LOC1 and LOC2. I selected LOC 1 which gives me the ILS arrows for the runway but the AP just flew me in circles. I have the radio set up for the correct ILS frequency. Any help would be greatly appreciated
LOC1 is ILS. MSFS can be a bit funny with intercepting localisers at certain airports. The safest bet is to change to LOC1 once the airplane has already turned onto final in nav mode (assuming your route is set up runway to runway)
@@TiJayFLY WoW, I think that was the fastest reply I've ever had. I'm currently midflight now so will try it as I approach. Is it normal to only have those options rather than one for ILS? Thanks for getting back.
I tried LOC1 again and it tried sending me miles off course again so switched it back to FMS and it brought me down to the runway perfectly. Will stick with that now. Guessing it’s because of an update since this video. The rest of it has helped me out loads though so thank you very much.
@@davenottingham3254 the procedure should always be the same - it hasn’t changed in the real world! Tbh this sounds like MSFS just being MSFS. A different airport should yield correct results 😁 in any case, glad you could have a successful flight!
Lol, the learning curve is huge for this sim but I guess that’s why we love it. I’ll keep working on what I’m doing wrong but for now I can put the jet down even in terrible weather conditions. UK summers are awesome!
2 questions. How do you know the ils frequency of youre arival airport. Do you look that up from the Internet or does it provide you the Info in the loading screen? And my second question, you Set the baromatic pressure to Std. At what hight is that the norm? When do i switch it to Standard, at what altitude? And also i thought it's normal to switch it back once you decent and are reaching a certain altitude? Oh and while we are at it, is that the reason why my throat feels itchy when i fly somewhere and the plain is in a climb, did the pilots switch the air pressure to Std to early or to late in that case? 😅 Thank you for the Video, Cheers ❤
@@niklas7355 1) FAQ video pinned to channel homepage 2) depends on country. UK 5000, US 18000. And your issue is probably unrelated to cabin pressure (which is set on a different panel entirely) - tell the guy in the seat opposite to stop eating peanuts 😂
Thank you for your tutorial. One problem: On short final I switched AT to Manual, but then I could not disengage AT. I pressed AT button on the pedestal with click mouse. Should I have pressed some lateral button on the throttle itself? I botched badly the landing, went for a turnaround but throttle and stick worded chaotically and I landed very badly:) YD was still indicating on my pfd. Might be silly but how do you disconnect the autothrottle? Many thanks.
@@TiJayFLY oh then nevermind. Usually it should work like this. Didnt get my Hands on the SF-50 yet, so i can not really tell on that specific addon :)
@@xxjuycedxx6650 yeah it seems that coupled VNAV isn’t modelled in this plane right now (it’s not mentioned as a feature on the store page either) - but who knows if it will be added in future :)
@@xxjuycedxx6650 I agree. But I think this uses MSFS autopilot, and VNAV isn’t part of the default suite for GA planes in the sim. The Honda jet has custom VNAV code
I thought the idea of VNAV was that it automatically flies the decent for you. you're saying you still have to put the airplane into VS mode? and what is the VNV button for then?
VNAV is a blanket term for different functionality. At the most basic level (seen in Garmin 430 etc) it tells you when your TOD is. One level up from that is giving you a target vertical speed, which is what we see here. The next level is “coupled” to the autopilot, which automatically starts the descent at TOD then adjusts the VS for you throughout. At its most sophisticated in airliners etc it handles all phases of flight. In the real world, each layer of complexity requires more certification and adds more cost. I’m not sure how realistic this particular model is - it’s possible the Cirrus jet IRL has coupled VNAV but it may just not be modelled in the sim. I believe the Honda Jet is the only light jet in MSFS with coupled VNAV.
@@TiJayFLY it sets the final apr crs automatically when the apr is activated in the garmin gps, but think you can still set it manually. in the g1000 the crs knob is where the QNH setting knob is. when i flew a radar vectored ILS with the SF50 in with nav source in NAV mode, it did not set the CRS to the finals apr crs :)
Great tutorial. But on take off my aircraft is all over the place and in flight very unstable, same with the landing. Has anyone experienced this? Even in calm wind
I need your help, I just realized that the fact that the flight plan loads strangely is not only from the EFHK airport, but from all the airports where I have added some airport improvement and Refinement, for example, I have downloaded the mod from Doha airport, but even then the flight plan does not load normally, so the EFHK dlc is not a problem, but in all of them airport where I have added refinement so is there any in-game setting related to this? I've been trying to find information for 3 hours but I haven't found anything :(
@@TiJayFLY the direction of the flight in simbrief and it normally loads into the plane's flight plan, but for some reason it doesn't work fine-tuned at the airport
Nice tutorial! However, most of those pre-takeoff tasks should have been completed prior to taxi request to the active and well before authorized to line-up-and-wait on the active. Not very realistic to be doing those instrument tasks while sitting on an active runway as ATC clearance is eminent at any moment.
For sure. This video isn’t about realism, it’s about getting new players flying quickly. Loads of other channels cover stuff in-depth gate to gate, which is great, but some people just want to fly :)
That is not how VNAV should work. You should not have to enter your VS. The whole point of VNAV is to perform the decent for you to hit your target altitude at each waypoint. This is broken and does not work correctly on the G3000 in the simulator.
At a systems level, there’s a lot of commonality across the same type of plane. For example, all modern Airbus are very similar, same with Boeing, and GA airplanes with G1000/G3000. Some older airliners and stuff with a GNS530 bolted on can be a little different, but by and large there’s a ton of commonality. It’s just hours, familiarity and commonality that makes it easy :)
how do you know what your bottom of decent is?
Airport elevation + 2000ft roughly. You can also check approach charts if you want a more accurate figure.
I would assume that you are asking where the indication for BOD is shown (vs TD or TOD). In some aircraft types, this is displayed in the form of a graphic symbol which is "tied" to your route-of-flight line and which moves fore and aft along that line. When you think about it, unlike the TOD, the bottom of descent point is constantly changing. For example, when you reduce power, the BOD graphic point will move to show you will arrive at the bottom "sooner" whereas increasing your power (reducing your rate of descent) will obviously delay reaching the BOD which means it will be further down your planned track. Systems which have this ability are common and are extremely helpful. In the real world, the computer is constantly computing the BOD based on everything you do at the flight controls to affect the BOD point. The computer, then, constantly moves this BOD graphic along your course line instantaneously. Practically speaking, this is a really terrific feature because, for example, you can adjust any cockpit flight control or engine control which impacts the BOD point so as to attain what you desire. If I want to, for example, cross a certain intersection or point along the route at a given altitude, I can just fly a constant speed descent and adjust the power/rate-of-descent so that the BOD symbol falls directly over the intersection/point. It's important to realize that this bottom-of-descent symbology won't be displayed until you actually BEGIN your descent. Logically, this makes sense because the computer has no idea how you are going to fly the descent. So, it waits for you to "show" your technique (speed and rate of descent) and the computer calculates the results of your doing that. Note that elaborate, sophisticated avionics factor in all of the flight parameters which affect this calculated descent path. This includes density altitude, temperatures/current winds aloft, etc. for example. This feature is dynamic and one of my personal favorites. It works in both climbing and descending profiles. I enjoy this Cirrus G2 but some of these types of features are not to be expected. However, even without the symbology, the VNAV calculations to cross intersections at planned altitudes works reasonably well. If you want to see an outstanding example of better systems, I recommend the PMDG 737-800. The FMC in that product is VERY close in performance the actual aircraft's system and this BOD (moving arc) feature is no exception. It works perfectly just as it does in real life. I hope this helps you. Best regards/fly safe my friend.
@@TYG06 ground crew will tell you
Not bad. I fly an SF50G2 for a living.
Couple comments:
Never takeoff without Bleed/Fresh set to Bleed and the O2 on. The system is set to increase the cabin altitude at specific rates and turning it to Bleed at a few thousand feet can result in arrival at cruise altitude absent correct cabin altitude (hypoxia risk)
2. Don’t be in a hurry to bring the gear up when you still have usable runway beneath you. I know it’s a sim but right is right.
IRL, the SF50 is a lot of fun to fly and likely one of if not THE safest single engine airplane made.
Cheers.
2 years later this video still helps with msfs 2024! Thanks for this.
Can you make a 2024 update for this? Even though almost everything looks/works exactly the same in 2024 it seems like there’s a few differences. And there’s not a lot of 2024 Vision Jet videos that are this helpful.
I will add it to the backlog but I have many other 2024 videos to do first
Thank you so much so helpful 👏👏👏👏at 75 yr old I need all the help I can get I've liked and subscribed
Very helpful, concise video. Thank you.
Wonderful explanation, short, clear and effective. Thanks by your video.
When turning off AP and AT also turn off YD. You want full yaw authority anywhere near the ground.
Really concise and useful video. Just right to get me started. Thanks.
5:38 Just curious, at TOD, why choose VS mode for descent, instead of VNAV mode descent? VNAV PATH descent will comply with altitude restrictions.
It wasn’t implemented yet when this video was made
thanks for the flight and video
Nice! Thank,s 👏
Great help, thank you!
2:11 In this Vision Jet tutorial, the aircraft is set to VS 2000ft/min for the climb phase, while in your other CJ4 VNAV tutorial, you set the aircraft in FLC mode for the climb phase.
Which is the recommended mode for the climb phase? VS or FLC mode?
Would FLC + VNAV be a better choice, so that the aircraft FMS follows the altitude restrictions?
It’s personal preference for climb. Use VNAV for descent - this video was made before it was working
Not safe to set a vs in a climb
Can we have a link to the video where you did the flt plan in the world map, please? The only other video of yours I can find goes to Paris, this one appears to go to Glasgow.
I show the Glasgow one in a few other videos but the principles are always the same (as covered in the world map planning tutorial).
The world map route for this one was:
Low or high altitude airways (doesn’t matter)
EGSS-EGPF
Runway 04, BKY04S from stansted
ILS 05 at Glasgow, direct approach
The sim will fill in the intermediate points
@@TiJayFLY Yes, I figured that but it was those en route USR waypoints I was after. Thank you.
@@pdep auto generated by the sim when you select low or high airways :) np
for some reason, the database and system tests don't show for me
@@Chaosbrothers250 May have changed since
NEAT LITTLE PLANE NICE VIDEO
Excellent my friend!!
So what to buy..Honda or this one?
Honda. It has working VNAV, and still has cruise speed control despite lacking auto throttle
Is there like a pdf or document that lists the steps for flight like the 310r?
Possibly. Will be in the airplane folder then /Documentation or /Manual if it exists. Alternatively, use the in game checklist or pause this video after each step and write your own
Thanks for the video, its been very helpful. I'm having one issue thought that is driving me nuts and maybe you can help. On final I click the 'Nav source' button but I don't have an option for ILS, only FMS, LOC1 and LOC2. I selected LOC 1 which gives me the ILS arrows for the runway but the AP just flew me in circles. I have the radio set up for the correct ILS frequency. Any help would be greatly appreciated
LOC1 is ILS. MSFS can be a bit funny with intercepting localisers at certain airports. The safest bet is to change to LOC1 once the airplane has already turned onto final in nav mode (assuming your route is set up runway to runway)
@@TiJayFLY WoW, I think that was the fastest reply I've ever had. I'm currently midflight now so will try it as I approach. Is it normal to only have those options rather than one for ILS? Thanks for getting back.
I tried LOC1 again and it tried sending me miles off course again so switched it back to FMS and it brought me down to the runway perfectly. Will stick with that now. Guessing it’s because of an update since this video. The rest of it has helped me out loads though so thank you very much.
@@davenottingham3254 the procedure should always be the same - it hasn’t changed in the real world! Tbh this sounds like MSFS just being MSFS. A different airport should yield correct results 😁 in any case, glad you could have a successful flight!
Lol, the learning curve is huge for this sim but I guess that’s why we love it. I’ll keep working on what I’m doing wrong but for now I can put the jet down even in terrible weather conditions. UK summers are awesome!
Any cold dark tutorials??
th-cam.com/video/XFpGnEwCYJw/w-d-xo.html
2 questions.
How do you know the ils frequency of youre arival airport. Do you look that up from the Internet or does it provide you the Info in the loading screen?
And my second question, you Set the baromatic pressure to Std. At what hight is that the norm? When do i switch it to Standard, at what altitude? And also i thought it's normal to switch it back once you decent and are reaching a certain altitude?
Oh and while we are at it, is that the reason why my throat feels itchy when i fly somewhere and the plain is in a climb, did the pilots switch the air pressure to Std to early or to late in that case? 😅
Thank you for the Video, Cheers ❤
@@niklas7355 1) FAQ video pinned to channel homepage 2) depends on country. UK 5000, US 18000. And your issue is probably unrelated to cabin pressure (which is set on a different panel entirely) - tell the guy in the seat opposite to stop eating peanuts 😂
does this work with simbrief
@@Bigboss-t8b yup forums.flightsimulator.com/t/simbrief-integration-g3000/610298
Thank you for your tutorial. One problem: On short final I switched AT to Manual, but then I could not disengage AT. I pressed AT button on the pedestal with click mouse. Should I have pressed some lateral button on the throttle itself? I botched badly the landing, went for a turnaround but throttle and stick worded chaotically and I landed very badly:) YD was still indicating on my pfd. Might be silly but how do you disconnect the autothrottle? Many thanks.
Assign a hardware switch for auto throttle on/off :) I have it bound to my Airbus stick next to AP disengage
@@TiJayFLY Many thanks! Will do.
you can also just press "VNV" and the plane will adjust the VS on its own :)
I tried that - but unlike the Honda jet, VNAV didn’t seem to be coupled in this add-on. Was I just experiencing some bug?
@@TiJayFLY oh then nevermind. Usually it should work like this. Didnt get my Hands on the SF-50 yet, so i can not really tell on that specific addon :)
@@xxjuycedxx6650 yeah it seems that coupled VNAV isn’t modelled in this plane right now (it’s not mentioned as a feature on the store page either) - but who knows if it will be added in future :)
@@TiJayFLY I dont want to be toxic but in my oppinion this should be standart... I sure hope they add it :)
@@xxjuycedxx6650 I agree. But I think this uses MSFS autopilot, and VNAV isn’t part of the default suite for GA planes in the sim. The Honda jet has custom VNAV code
How do I set minimums for landing?
PFD options I believe, same menus as the v speeds etc
I thought the idea of VNAV was that it automatically flies the decent for you. you're saying you still have to put the airplane into VS mode? and what is the VNV button for then?
VNAV is a blanket term for different functionality.
At the most basic level (seen in Garmin 430 etc) it tells you when your TOD is.
One level up from that is giving you a target vertical speed, which is what we see here.
The next level is “coupled” to the autopilot, which automatically starts the descent at TOD then adjusts the VS for you throughout.
At its most sophisticated in airliners etc it handles all phases of flight.
In the real world, each layer of complexity requires more certification and adds more cost.
I’m not sure how realistic this particular model is - it’s possible the Cirrus jet IRL has coupled VNAV but it may just not be modelled in the sim.
I believe the Honda Jet is the only light jet in MSFS with coupled VNAV.
The vamas option doesn't show on the pfd page. i can't remove the engine covers or wheel chocks. Is it just me, or is it a bug?
Any systems mods installed?
@TiJayFLY nahh, i just dont see it
I mean the MFD page, my bad @TiJayFLY
I found it lol its the ipad that i had to find and i found it
how do i set the LOC CRS? didnt find a crs knob.
I’ve never set it on Garmin planes, I think it’s automatic(?)
@@TiJayFLY it sets the final apr crs automatically when the apr is activated in the garmin gps, but think you can still set it manually. in the g1000 the crs knob is where the QNH setting knob is. when i flew a radar vectored ILS with the SF50 in with nav source in NAV mode, it did not set the CRS to the finals apr crs :)
Hi guys
does anyone know where the button is to set the course for VOR navigation
Thank you very much
That is a very good question! I’m curious myself…
This what I came here for… no answer?
Can someone please explain to me why I can’t switch the nav source to gps? It’s only working in FMS, LOC1 and LOC2…
FMS = GPS
When I press the approach button, the plane does not land, is there something I am missing?
Possibly many things. What do you mean by “does not land”? What does it do?
I mean the final landing
@@fadi8396 it doesn’t auto land - you’ll see me disengage AP before touchdown and fly the landing
he's not using atc right?
No, you don’t need to in anything with proper lateral & vertical guidance
@TiJayFLY how do you get proper lateral and vertical guidance?
How do you set the a/t?
I use a hot key assigned to Autopilot Airspeed Hold
Great tutorial. But on take off my aircraft is all over the place and in flight very unstable, same with the landing. Has anyone experienced this? Even in calm wind
Probably the MSFS flight assists screwing you over. Check the options shown here th-cam.com/video/iImh5k9iocE/w-d-xo.html
But I still can't find the Parking Brake !
Can't remember where the physical one is, I just use a hot key...
@@TiJayFLY Found it. I had to "lower" my viewing position. Straight in front just under the dashboard.
I need your help, I just realized that the fact that the flight plan loads strangely is not only from the EFHK airport, but from all the airports where I have added some airport improvement and Refinement, for example, I have downloaded the mod from Doha airport, but even then the flight plan does not load normally, so the EFHK dlc is not a problem, but in all of them airport where I have added refinement so is there any in-game setting related to this? I've been trying to find information for 3 hours but I haven't found anything :(
Are you planning your flight in the World Map? Is it feeding through to the flight plan page in the airplane?
@@TiJayFLY the direction of the flight in simbrief and it normally loads into the plane's flight plan, but for some reason it doesn't work fine-tuned at the airport
@@TiJayFLY sorry fligth plan didnt download to plane flight plane
@@TiJayFLY the flight plan didnt download to the airplane flight plan page
@@TiJayFLY watch discord
you skipped how to start the engines. I always get a battery warning and then the screens die.
Tutorial is from a runway start, where engines are on by default. I haven’t done a cold and dark start tutorial from the gate yet.
nice vid
Nice tutorial! However, most of those pre-takeoff tasks should have been completed prior to taxi request to the active and well before authorized to line-up-and-wait on the active. Not very realistic to be doing those instrument tasks while sitting on an active runway as ATC clearance is eminent at any moment.
For sure. This video isn’t about realism, it’s about getting new players flying quickly. Loads of other channels cover stuff in-depth gate to gate, which is great, but some people just want to fly :)
Well….. it isn’t reality. It’s a game.
That is not how VNAV should work. You should not have to enter your VS. The whole point of VNAV is to perform the decent for you to hit your target altitude at each waypoint. This is broken and does not work correctly on the G3000 in the simulator.
Absolutely. Only the Honda Jet currently implements G3000 VNAV correctly.
when I see how you make this look, I lose all hope of becoming efficient. Such a struggle for me
At a systems level, there’s a lot of commonality across the same type of plane. For example, all modern Airbus are very similar, same with Boeing, and GA airplanes with G1000/G3000.
Some older airliners and stuff with a GNS530 bolted on can be a little different, but by and large there’s a ton of commonality.
It’s just hours, familiarity and commonality that makes it easy :)
Doesn't follow waypoints on Xbox
Try a different flight plan :)
😊
How do you know what the bottom of descent is?
Airport elevation + 2000ft roughly. You can also check approach charts if you want a more accurate figure.
@@TiJayFLY Thank you for the quick reply :)