+Kevin Lew Recommendation to the videographer: Please provide an annotation pointing to 2:30 where the topic which the title describes begins. Thanks. ;)
The main reason why homosexuality may seem like a choice is because you've known this person for so many years, way into adulthood, thinking they were straight, when suddenly one day they admit to being gay, and you're sitting there thinking "But you were straight just the other day! When did you choose to be gay?" If society stops punishing gay people for being themselves, then gay people wouldn't hide it so much, which means no one will say they were straight in the first place.
+Thallanar Rabidtooth I didn't even think that people would think it happened like that. Interesting idea. Here I was thinking people were just so stubborn and wanted to try convincing their gay friend that they can just be straight.
well said. it's a vicious cycle with the victims of bias societal standards often being the most hurt. hopefully one day we will live in a world where it's okay to be who you are from the get go.
FuxxyDestroyer 'it's a disorder, which can be treated and/or cured' The use of the word 'cured' implies that there is/will be a cure. I don't think that you know what 'natural' means so I'll google it for you since you seem incapable of doing it yourself lmgtfy.com/?q=Natural+definition . I'm starting to think that you're a troll and debating whether to continue responding. Thinking about it coming to a video about homosexuality is one of the best places to troll. I need to be truthful with you Fuxxy, I am not excepted, nobody leaves me out, I am never the exception and I hate it, when I was a young gay little boy I always wanted to be excepted, but now my poor life choices mean that I can't.
FuxxyDestroyer Also it takes about 1 minute to read my response and took about 5 minutes to type it, you might improve your vocabulary because I used some WOW words :)
I have always thought of Hank Green as exceptionally intelligent, and an peerless communicator. In this video it becomes clear that he is consistently non biased and courageous as well. Thanks for the good work, Hank. You are the stuff that good role models should be made of!
People say that there are more gay people now then there was years ago. That isn't true in my opinion. Years ago when being gay was considered wrong in most cultures doesn't mean less people were gay. You know how people want to be excepted by others and not bullied or judged. Some gay women and men in those times would keep it to themselves for that reason. But now since being gay is becoming more excepted, more people don't keep it to themselves because there are more and more people that accept it and more and more gay women and men in this time.
I'd just like to point out that before recent history, homosexuality was actually a lot more common and excepted then it is now. It wasn't widely discussed, or majorly supported mind you, but as far I know anyway it existed for a very long time, and only became such a hated topic in recent history.
You both have a good point. I do agree with you trikeira6ooo. When religion started to take over people started to see homosexuality as a bad thing, or a sin. That is why more people started to hide there feelings and who they were.
trikeira6ooo During the height of the Greek and Roman empires it wasn't even taboo, practically everyone was bisexual because sex was sex, it was simply to be enjoyed like wine or sport. Just like it is seen in most other species on this planet, it was recreational. Then Christianity appeared and everything the Romans did was pagan, if the Romans did it then it was immoral and you were a sinner. Wee bit of history for Christians to be proud of.
Rob Fraser Well, you have to ask yourself: if Christianity said that homosexuality was immoral, why did people accept it? And no, homosexuality wasn't as commonplace in Rome as you make it sound. Maybe in Athens..
I agree, it is compeletly natural. Howwever, it can't be used as a form of reproduction; so what's its use? IS it purely bond-making (e.g relasing dopamine and oxcytocin)
I sorry if that's what it sounded like. I was in know way advocating thta Gay people can't reproduce. I was merlely stating that sole Homosexual relations won't result in reproduction due to the sexual nature of our specices.
So basically, homosexuality rates may increase in times of overpopulation. That makes sense. You would have non-breeding pairs that would also potentially have the free time and income to adopt an orphaned child.
But the earth hasn't suffered from overpopulation in ancient history ? id imagine overpopulation issues only arose within the past couple of centuries if not decades
Our overpopulation has only recently started to affect the Earth as a whole, but local populations have almost always had issues with overpopulation. It's a natural result of our tendency to live in large groups and create cities.
Can't say that I cared for this one. You called it "The Evolution of Male Homosexuality," but it took you over half the video before you even reached that topic.
I agree, then got overly verbose when describing the gist: a study concluded mothers and grandmothers of gay men reproduce more than those of straight men.
Children sometimes have a male parent or parents. How accurately did the fellas estimate their children's weight? Assuming these noteworthy 'studies' weren't sexist, smug and self serving, naturally. A Europa landing seems rather pointless when the Kinsey Scale is not misunderstood but disregarded. No. TED hasn't called.
Perhaps it is bcz you wont find many fundamentalist cruising a science channel . Hence the paucity of flaming against science theory, hypotheses, or fact.
I feel that this vlog was slightly mislabeled. It wasn't as focused as the tag-line suggests; rather than giving a detailed analysis of the varied and multiple evolutionary theories on male homosexuality it was a hodgepodge of unrelated factoids. There was no mention of population control theory, social bonding theory, the diligent uncle theory, or the conflict resolution theory of homosexuality. I am a fan of sci show and I felt that this blog was uncharacteristically scattered. We all get you're taking pains to demonstrate your heterosexuality by alluding to Scarlett Johansson's celestial body, but sort it out! I demand a more thorough video! ;) xx
I couldn't see a scenario where homosexuality is in no way connect to genetics. Almost everything to do with humans comes from a combination of stimuli and heredity.
There's a fascinating study that was done by a scientist who did a double-blind study on corpses. He dissected something like 200 corpse's brains, meticulously weighing and measuring each part of each brain. Then he categorized the data and found that there was a part of the brain (I can't remember what it's called) that was larger in some subjects and smaller in others. Well, it turned out that something like 90% of the subjects with that larger part were male, while 10% were female. When the scientist pulled the info on the subjects, it turned out that ALL 10% of those female were lesbians, while all 90% were straight. The exact same results were found with the smaller part of the brain in the other subjects, except reverse the sexes. So what did the scientist hypothesize? Well, apparently this part of the brain controls sexuality and so the scientist figured out that if that part of the brain keeps growing, you end up attracted to females. While if that part of your brain stopped growing, you ended up attracted to males.....all regardless of your actual sex. So, perhaps, there is a genetic link as the video suggests? Strongly sexual straight women probably have a smaller than usual part of the brain that controls sexuality and perhaps they pass that gene on to their sons who end up with that same brain part being smaller as well, therefore causing them to also be attracted to men?
This references the famous study on hypothalamus size, I believe. The sample size was ~41 individuals IIRC - not representative, not sufficient. All of the cadavers were of people who had died of HIV-induced AIDS - it was later found that AIDS can result in swelling of the hypothalamus. The study was later retracted on page four of whatever journal it was in. My memory is really weird and selective so I remember that it was (probably) on page four, but I can't remember the publication. Anyway, the study basically - if you'll pardon my language - ain't worth shit.
Thomas Saba You may be referencing a different study that was similar. The study I was referring to was one we looked at in a Psychological Development course I took in college and we spent almost an entire chapter on it, regarding human sexuality and all that. It's been a while since that course and I'd have to take the time to find it. If I do, I'll post a link.
Death_by_Clicker I work full-time, go to school full-time, and am a single father. I don't have time to do research for others. Check out this thing called "The Internet".
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You know, it bewilders me that so many people care so much that homosexuals exist. Why does it personally offend you so much? It literally does not affect your life that they exist (not negatively, anyway). I mean they adopt children and give them homes and love but you just don't like the way it looks so, it has to be wrong, right?
I think any debates in the comments can be resolved by this: God loves _everyone_. Even if you're gay or lesbian. Even if you're straight. Even if you support abortion. Even if you don't. Even if you believe in Him. Even if you don't. So, no, gays and lesbians are not going to hell simply because they are gay and lesbian. And isn't part of Christianity to love everyone as Jesus loved us, that is to say, unconditionally and _without judgement?_ It's our actions that determine the outcome of our lives.
I thought this topic was going to be very interesting, people don't tend to talk about the science and evolution of homosexuality! I was a little annoyed that you (in my opinion) didn't talk about it at all. The little part that you may have ventured there slightly was a minute....if not less! No worries just saying. THE EVOLUTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!? Thats something people should be talking about! Whether it is natural or not, perhaps addressing similar brain activity, similar traumas, anything! Idk I lost my point. And please no one take this offensively just questions from a neutral position trying to look at it scientifically!
As homosexuality has been observed in a variety of other species, I'd venture to call it more natural than homophobia, which exists in only one species. I do think that the title of the video was used as clickbait, though, as he spent thirty seconds discussing the background and unnecessary information on the study and about ten on the results of said study, less than one seventh of the video. That was kind of rambly.
I agree, especially since I find that subject very interesting. I do think there's likely a biological advantage for families with some homosexual members, and it has been observed that in swan families with some lesbian swans, for example, if a sibling of one of the lesbian swans dies leaving orphaned offspring, they and their mate will start taking care of their offspring, so any recessive genes for homosexuality that might be present would be more likely to survive because of this advantage. I've also read that homosexuality and bisexuality could increase group cohesiveness, because if members of a group aren't viewing each other as competitors, they can focus more heavily on gaining resources. Also, with animals like rats that have an alpha, bisexuality could be an advantage there as well, since if the alpha encounters another alpha that he'd rather mate with than fight, it frees up both their mischiefs to mate with each other, which ultimately leads to more genetic diversity and less inbreeding.
GearandaltheFirst, enjoying your comment I just wanted to add that homophobia exists in only some cultures of only one species. It appears that the more highly evolved cultures of our species have grown out of it, i.e., gotten over it. Those cultures would be (this is my opinion) some American indigenous peoples and the Fa'Afafine, to name a couple. Would you agree?
William Hunter Yes, I would agree, the cultures that seem to be less suicidal (as in less infighting and less environmental destruction) seem to have no problem with homosexuality
PixieoftheWood, I really enjoyed your comment, and I agree, biological evolution is fascinating. I've been using this topic to try and get people to realize that homosexuality is a "thing" for a biological reason. Otherwise it wouldn't be a "thing." If you get my drift? Homosexuality is basic to our nature as a species, so let's get over it and stop discriminating and killing, in some cases, each other over something that is encoded into us. On the opposite end of the spectrum of such ideas as we've stated with regards homosexuality is the issue of "race." (This is another one that makes me want to bang my head against the wall.) All these "racists" people (to be sure, it is a minority) are concerned with something that doesn't even exist! It's not a "thing." There is only one "race" of Homo sapiens sapiens. Education is key to resolution of such unproductive and detrimental ideas as these, I think. (It would be nice to see our religious leaders also contribute to the idea of love and acceptance.) And yet, here we are busily making education unaffordable to more and more people. It begs the question, in my mind, 'WTF?' (please excuse my rude language)
I believe that sexual orientation is genetic. My reason for that belief is my own family. I'm gay. My father was bisexual. One of his brothers is gay. My father's uncle was gay. At least one of my paternal cousins admits to being bisexual. If it's not genetic then it's a hell of a coincidence for so many members of the same family to be gay or bi.
Is bi curiosity also genetic? Where's the heteroflexible gene? The mostly straight gene? Why do some guys have gay attractions out of the blue, later in life, when no attraction existed before? Sexual orientation is NOT genetic. But largely epigenetic. Epimarks switch control which sex you will physiologically respond to. But epimarks may also be manipulated in adulthood, through chemicals in our environment and food and mental conditioning.
Kiko Joseph I'm not a scientist. I can't possibly answer whether or not there is a bisexual gene. Or whether or not everyone that is gay has a genetic predisposition to it. I can only speak on my personal belief based on what I have personally observed in my own family and in a few other families. For example, The Rhodes Bros. I've also read a few articles over the years about families with multiple children that turned out to be gay. Your epimark theory also doesn't account for instances of homosexuality and bisexuality in nature. Surely, you aren't suggesting that animals that engage in same sex behavior have all been drinking the same kool-aid... On a related topic, since the original post I made two months ago another of my cousins has come out as gay.
WilC79 Although there may be genes that contribute, in a perfectly random system you will see some families having the average number of gay relatives, some having almost none, and some having many more. It really could be just coincidence - or it might just be that your family is much more honest about their sexuality than others.
+Heather Spoonheim Maybe they can be more honest about it because if you see that a gay relative doesn't get ostracised by the family you are more likely to come out too, if you're gay. (Not disagreeing with you here, just adding a point.)
wow there are some pretty smart people in the comments and a good debates on such a important topic in our world today. thanks to all who shared their opinions calmly and without degrading each other for not agreeing or seeing things differently
Wow😯I stumbled across this video after seeing the most current SciShow. I like it ... But the new show is much improved. Thank you for all your hard work on this through the years.
Why are you so mad? did you have really important things to do but his space talk got in the way? nah man, you didn't. you are literally mad for no reason. I feel bad for you.
Wouldn't say he comes across as "so mad" just irritated that the first 3 (almost 4) minutes have literally nothing to do with the title of the video... we came for homosexuality, not space m8! Though that said, it was pretty interesting to me anyway, but there you go.
I'd be interested in a study that identified when someone becomes heterosexual. How and why? At which point in development or which specific cultural or spiritual factor is pivotal in them determining their sexual attraction to another gender for the sole purpose of procreation?
Well even straight people don't want to have kids all the time. That aside though. The best that science can tell your sexuality is determined before you are born.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most fa'afafine imposed into womanly roles and lifestyles when there are no young females? I was under the impression that this phenomena traces back to practical applications of household balances. In this instance, the young fa'afafine would be psychologically receptive to female sexuality, while ALSO being a reason why the mother would be excessively breeding (in hopes of a female offspring desired) If I remember correctly, this cultural trend is mostly shaped by the strict gender roles of the location
Or, it was click-bait...this is an old episode in the early turmoils of TH-cam so yea SciShow did do this(click-bait), now they have more appropriate titles for their vids.
+TheEpoch the proper use of the term "ignorant" is having a lack of data or knowledge, and says nothing of one's mental aptitude nor intelligence, merely their exposure to the information. So querying if/that visitor of an informational science channel would be lacking in circumstantial facts seems a bit rhetorical, so I am hoping that such a comment was rhetorical and not due to a deficit of recognizable proof that those visitors are, to whatever degree ignorant.
sketchthis I know you tarted it up a bit, not sure why you went to so much effort, but you're essentially suggesting that some of these people aren't ignorant about homosexuality because they're fans of a Science Show..
+ThisEpoch I'm actually suggesting that most of us are ignorant to varying degrees. That's the point of science - to be exposed to new concepts and consider re-evaluating what we previously believed. Claiming that ignorance is wrong is akin to suggesting that intolerance of the unenlightened is righteous.
+Rémi St-Jacques Here it is: 'Sex determination came at a late stage of evolution on planet Earth. Life did not begin with sexual reproduction. The beginning was with asexual reproduction and sexual reproduction came later. It has several orientations; one of them is the animal that is a hermaphrodite, i.e., having both masculine and feminine reproductive organs. Another orientation includes a type of fish, which at some stages in its life is male with fully developed reproductive organs. He fertilizes, and then in a different stage transforms into a female with fully developed reproductive organs and she lays eggs. Another orientation is our case, where there is a male and a female who are separate and whose sexes are determined for their entire lives. In this case, the fetus has the potential to be a male or a female. What determines the growth of certain genitals and not others are the sex hormones. This means that within each body there is a male and a female, or let’s say the potential to be male or female. What happens is that one of them dominates when implementing the genetic blueprint specific for this body, so the fetus becomes male or female. This issue is clear in some conditions or chromosome abnormalities, as is the case in androgen insensitivity syndrome, where sometimes the case is a female with internal male organs. I mentioned this in The Atheism Delusion, and here is the text to clarify this issue for you: “There is a genetic mutation that affects the androgen receptors and it is called the masculinization hormone [androgen] syndrome in the fetus (46XY). This mutation inhibits the effect of the male sex gene; thus, a feminine reproductive system is formed. The case of one afflicted with this syndrome depends on the type of mutation and the degree of its effect on androgen receptors. So he could have incomplete male and female organs and one of them might suffice. But in general there are feminine characteristics. So if the fetus carrying male genes, meaning (46XY), suffers from a complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, externally he would be completely female. In fact, it is usually difficult to diagnose the case early without precise testing. So the fetus has apparent feminine organs, so he is usually a female, but she is without a uterus or ovaries, meaning she is a female with an incomplete female reproductive system, and she also has an internal male reproductive system that is concealed within the pelvis.” According to the above, we can understand that each male carries a dead female within him, and each female carries a dead male within her. What homosexuals do is psychologically revive this buried physical interior that became obsolete during fetal development, although actually and practically, there is no significant, real and actual trace of it in the body. A male might have to play a female role, and the female might have to play a male role. The truth is, not only does the human being practice this, but other animals practice this as well by 10 percent, perhaps slightly more or less, and the reason for that is what I clarified above. With this statement, it is made clear that homosexuality is not natural just because other animals practice it. It is an issue of abnormality and departure from the nature that dominates the body of the living being. What is natural is to place laws that prevent and limit this abnormality, and not the opposite. However, and unfortunately, the fact that homosexuality is a common characteristic in the animal kingdom was used as an excuse to persuade some politicians in Britain and France, most of whom are ignorant about evolutionary biology, to pass gay marriage laws. The scientific truth that we, and the rest of the animals whose bodies are particular to a single, fully developed reproductive system all of their lives, are sexually specific. The attempt of some individuals to practice homosexuality does not make homosexuality natural. It is a departure from the physical and physiological nature, and the living being, especially the rational one like the human, can easily suppress this homosexuality. That’s why what is correct is to place laws that suppress and help suppress homosexuality and not the other way around, like what is happening these days, very unfortunately, as news of countries’ acknowledgement of gay marriage continues to surface. So the cure is in the hands of each person who finds himself inclining toward homosexuality. If there is satanic inspiration telling him there is a dead female inside of him and pushing him to revive her, he knows that within him is a living, prominent male with complete reproductive organs, and the same goes for the female. If we say, as an example, that each human male has 90 percent male and 10 percent female within him, and each human female has 90 percent female and 10 percent male within her, it is natural that the male characteristics and desires dominate the male because it is the higher percentage of his physical composition. The same goes for the female, as female characteristics will dominate her. Allowing the 10 percent to dominate the body and turn a male into a female, or vice versa, is an abnormal and deviated condition, and the human being should be able to suppress it and dominate it because it is a departure from the physical nature dominating the body due to deceptive inspirations that can be confronted and suppressed once the sexual truth that dominates the body is faced. What’s left is the possibility of there being conditions that affect the body, such as a deficiency or an excess of some hormones, or other conditions. These conditions can be treated by visiting a specialized physician.' - Ahmed Alhasan Divine Law : There is a way to determine the sex of a human which is the physical state and whether the person has genitals that are fully developed. If the genitals are masculine, the person is a male and it is not permissible for him to have a sex-change operation. If the genitals are feminine, the person is a female and it is not permissible for her to have a sex-change operation. However, if the genitals are not fully developed or if the person has a combination of them or other similar congenital abnormalities, he can choose the sex and have a surgical procedure that declares him male or female. This is the answer concerning the jurisprudence aspect.
As this channel is a place of science and learning, I would like to propose a little mad social science experiment. First, let me present several Facts: Fact 1: Homosexuality exists. Fact 2: The Scientific Community is not entirely sure why. Fact 3: There are many theories as to why Homosexuality exists. Fact 4: On of the most popular, scientifically speaking, is that it is genetic, or epigenetic, or some combination of the two. Fact 5: Many, or even most, major religions are against Homosexuality for one reason or another. Now, with all these Facts in mind, and thus in no further need of explanation, let us discuss. Please check your facts, and try to keep the rancor, soapboxing, and religious expounding (see Fact 5) to a minimum. I will not contribute, but will attempt to moderate, and will compile and present my observations and findings when I deem the experiment complete. Who knows, we may actually learn something.
I would theorize that homosexuality is more of a mixture of genetic and cultural/social influences due to identical twins having different orientations.
HPetch I don't think a 'reason' for homosexuality will be found any time soon, as too few people and institutions either do not care, or have no funds for serious experimentation or research. Meanwhile, simply accept differences in sexual attraction. Bottom line? What effect does homosexuality have on others?
+Toshihiro Kun Actually it might, but the exact numbers shouldn't be trusted, and if a specific group was asked, the research should only conclude things about that specific group.
This actually makes sense because in the animal world it was noted that frogs can change sexes if there is too many populated as one sex therefore creating a balance in the environment.
jomossino That is something they seem to do it at will while for Humans to change sexes they have to go through some type of surgery usually but some humans can be the embodiment of neither male or female.
I think that in Samoan culture, a family with many sons is expected to have a certain ratio of heterosexual sons and Fa'afine. It's not genetic, it's just a cultural norm.
I tried to click the link for the "more about Europa" clip, but it kept opening in the same tab which annoying. I wasn't going to say anything because I thought it'd be petty but then I tried clicking on the "references" link in the description and it took me to an advert. You're classier than this, SciShow
yo, as a Samoan, gotta say....for a white guy raised in America, pretty good annunciation on “Fa’afafine"....although a slang term we also use is “FaFa"....
Lots of interesting information in this video but very little of it discussed homosexuality. Poorly selected title that's misleading about the content.
About the infant skulls: Does anyone of you know whether it is more dangerous to fall on your head when it is still flexible or if it is not flexible anymore?
Marie Lastname it would be more dangerous to fall on your head when your skull is still flexible, because your squishy brain underneath would be damaged more easily than if your skull was hardened and fully formed.
Sounds logical. Do you know or just guess? I just thought that maybe brain damage is more likely but a skull fracture less likely and that maybe in some cases brain "damage" is not as bad as it sounds. (Concussions are also "brain damage", at least in a way, and often not that big of a deal. I had four (correction on april 19th, 2015: three) of them within a bit more than a month when I was four.) Also I thought that maybe with a soft skull spine damage is less likely.
Marie Lastname Well I'm not an expert, but I'd say its a pretty good guess. It really depends on a lot of factors, like how you fall, and how heavy you are, and how weak your neck is. getting hit really hard in the head is pretty much always a bad thing for your brain, but with a softer skull, the damage to your brain can be way worse. That's the reason why you have to be careful with a baby's head, while some minor squishing wont do too much, like during childbirth, which is why the skull is born flexible in the first place, it's generally not good to do anything more than touch a baby's head.
+Marie Lastname I would concur with +maxwell simon 's last comment, but I would like to clarify that the reason why the baby's brain isn't damaged during vaginal delivery is because the skull bones don't compress, they slide past each other like tectonic plates when the head is squeezed through the vagina, so there is no additional pressure put on the baby's brain. As for someone who's skull is basically fused (though this doesn't finish happening until the 5th-6th decade of life), neck injuries are much more likely than skull fractures, even when you have direct impact on the top of the head--the most likely bone to break there is actually the first neckbone, called the atlas, in what is known as a "Burst Fracture;" it happens often in people who dive into swimming pools which are too shallow to do so safely. Sorry for the long post; I hope it helps, though I am aware I didn't directly answer your question :p Cheers :)
I don't get it.. What does SpaceX has to do with homosexuality? Well, I can get it if they want to visit uranus, but that's really the only thing I can think of on how this relates to this video's topic...
When i hear that the researchers are psychologists, that can sometimes loose a bit of credibility for my standards. I happen to be gay and there are a lot of questions that people are trying to explain way too fast without fully understanding what they're dealing with. For example, straight people trying to understand the dynamics between gay couples. Ellen DeGeneres said it best with "Asking who’s the ‘man’ and who’s the ‘woman’ in a same-sex relationship is like asking which chopstick is the fork.” I'm a masculine male and my boyfriend also happens to be masculine. People need to understand that masculinity vs. femininity, sexuality, and gender-identity are each seperate things. Yes I've met feminine, straight, cisgender men. Yes I've met femine, lesbian, transgendered women. ANY combination exists. By the way people tend to forget that people aren't just XX and XY, there's X, XXX, XXXXXXY, XYYYY, etc. So categorizing and looking at sexuality, sex, behavior, etc from a closed minded perspective will NOT help you to understand why people are the way they are. In fact it honestly doesn't matter! Why can't we focus on things like cancer research, alternative energy, water preservation, climate change, etc. The main reason why people do research on gay people these days, is so it can be used for an argument either for or against gay people- or any people! To me this seems like a waste of resources and human potential. How about let's start treating ALL humans with respect and dignity.
Yes I agree, it seems like a waste to study the reasons that some people are attracted to members of the same gender because it won't change the fact that they are. There are more pressing matters than the study of homosexuality like all the things you have mentioned.
Because it is largely male homosexuals that society has a problem with. They have problems with the other two but to a *_much_* lesser extent. Straight guys are titillated by lesbians and as far as bisexuals go, as long as you are having some straight sex you are almost fine. I'm not sure why our society wants to sexual orientation to be a moral issue. Never mind, it's religion and their obsession with policing sexuality.
still, its dumb to make a study about sexual orientation if you are only going to compare homosexual men to heterosexual women and men. Shouldn't you take all orientations if you really wanted a serious study?
Same reason women's health studies are way behind males. Because men are the center of the universe and some have a hard time venturing out of the full time job.
Why is this sandwiched in between two totally unrelated 'updates'?? Yay for space exploration and odd maternal behavior, but what do they have to do with the stated subject? Also glad we now know of your feelings for Scarlett Johansson.. ?!
I took my baby (from the time she was two weeks old) to work six days a week and breastfed her in the office until she was almost two. It can be done, you just need an understanding boss and a lot of patience.
I believe that some homosexuals are born with a more female complex so like a female they become sexually interested in males. Some just become gay sometime in there life at random . Some explore and explore until they become interested in men. I do believe that people sometimes choose and sometimes they're born more like a female . however knoeone has sexual thought during infantry.
I can't fault you for believing, but I doubt you're right. You're assuming that there has to be something inherently "female" about someone who is sexually interested in a male. That's a big assumption that would require quite a bit of proof, especially because there are various alternative explanations for the same end result.
Jaap van der Velde Note the 'i believe' at the front of what Ultimatedestroyer migee said, therefore he doesn't need the 'bit of proof' because it's what he believes, so therefore i believe that you lack intelligence that it is his opinionated belief that he is simply expressing.
That is rather interesting. I don't think people choose to be attracted to another human though; that'd be kind of hard to suggest. I mean, it would be nice if we could though, but that would make life too easy.
There's a portion of your brain that determines what you're into, sexually... It's developed while you're still in the form of a fetus... This was a study done in 2003, and it concurred that there's a part of your brain that hardwires your sexuality before you're even born. Huge articles like Time, Oxford journals, and Science daily covered this a decade ago, but people refuse to listen.
I have thought about it very very hard. Let me tell you, I did everything in my power to stop being attracted to guys. I dated girls, had sex with girls, lied to myself to suppress my feelings. I didn't have a gay upbringing, and didn't have any gay people in my life at all. The only thing that happened was me hitting puberty and me being attracted to guys. Really. That's all it was. Believe me man, it's not a choice. And if you really care about knowing the truth, you'll understand that.
Hank and the crew of SciShow, I'm voting and hoping for a video educating people on vegan and/or vegetarian diets/lifestyles. Debunking myths such as "Protein deficiency" & weight & muscle loss. Vegans and animals all around the world need your help! From an unbiased perspective, please help us inform the world.
couple of points Hank.. 1. classic example of correlation is not causation there.. mother who breast fed long gave up on long term income.. (as if that was even a vaguely equivalent thing anyway) maybe woman who were more inclined to breast feed longer were also less concerned about running their lives around such trivial irrelevant goals in the first place..? perhaps woman who fully bonded with their child gained a better sense of what's truly important in life..? 2. phrases like 'researchers think' are very odd.. does a researchers opinion have any more weight then any body else's..? are they a sub set of humanity..? the phrase itself implies that this is not what the study actually showed or you might have said something like 'the evidence suggests'.. we need to keep the science thing very clear.. it's not aboiut what some poeple might 'think'.. that's kinda the point..
1. He never said that it was right or wrong to breastfeed longer. He only offered the results of an interesting study done by other researchers. He might feel the same as you, that it's far more important to breastfeed for a longer period than it is to keep full time work. You really have nothing to be upset about. No opinion was shared, just factual information. 2. Researchers opinions on the topics that they research certainly hold more weight than the average person. While you or I may have very little knowledge on a given topic, someone who researches that topic has likely spent much of their life learning and studying whatever that topic may be. Thus they are able to form a hypothesis based on facts rather than uninformed speculation. …Basically stop trying to find reasons to be upset. Life is too short to play the victim and there are already plenty of people in society who seek outrage. You need not be one of them. :)
losoyaknoso Thanks for your detialed reply but you seem to have misunderstood me.. I am not upset at all.. I am merely pointing out what i think are inacuracies because i think that's important in a science channel.. I take the time to do this because I like Hank and want the channel to be it's best. 1. The point it about the distinction between correlation and causation. It has nothing to do with my opinion on the relative merits of breast-feeding and career and makes no mention of what Hanks thoughts on the matter might be.. Simply it is implied that breast feeding 'led' woman to less/lower income/work afterwards which is offering a causative effect from statistical correlation. bad science.. 2. Hypotheses are questions. Data reveals facts. If the data is in then it's not a researchers 'opinion' anymore.. If it's not in then it's not science.. That's all I'm trying to say.. if there are results then offer them.. if there aren't then don't.. researchers 'think' simply means to me that they haven't done the work yet.. i'e they don't 'know',, it's vague at best and bad science again.. it's important to keep these sorts of distinction clear.. especially when presenting science in a popularist form.. and on the whole Hank is very good at this.. which is why i take the time to comment when i feel he's slipped up.. to keep him on form and maintain the quality of the channel.. Thanks for your time.. I hope that make sense..?
paulflute To your first point in your most recent comment: He was saying that according to the studies, women that breastfed for 6 months had decreased income due to working less often. He didn't say that if you breastfeed for 6 months you're going to want to work less. He simply stated that women who did breastfeed for 6 months ended up working less and had less income as a result meaning that someone who breastfeeds for 6 months will most likely (based on statistics) end up with a lesser income due to less time spent working. To your second point in your most recent comment: When he says things like "researchers believe" isn't he simply referring to their hypotheses based on the results? "The data is in" doesn't necessarily result in facts. For one thing it depends on how it's interpreted (researches opinion) and for another science is always building on itself and correcting past mistakes (the earth appears to be the center of the universe....more research led us to realize that it is not).
Thanks yes.. have listened again and he was indeed just refering to the money lost 'during' that period.. My bad.. still not convinced about the 'researcers think' comment here though.. implies that this wasn't actually part of the study.. seems like a slippery line between finding and opinions to me..
Yeah, I kind of see your point about the researchers opinion but isn't any theory a researches opinion that is based on observations and data? Meaning Relativity is a researchers opinion?
I always just assumed that Hanks fans would be thoughtful people and scientists so all the comments against homosexuality here really bug me. We are better than this people.
The examples Hank provides of stereotypically "masculine" or "feminine" behavior have been substantially disproved by the reputable academic community since the 1980's, and I'm disappointed that he does not seem to understand the difference between correlation and causality. Women generally do exhibit more jealousy and envy over things like job advancement than men do, but might that be because women have a harder time succeeding and gaining real power in the workplace, rather than some vague, unnamed "genetic" difference between how men and women think? Questionnaires are not an adequate method of data gathering to lead to the conclusion that there is a biological difference between male and female approaches to jealousy. Women generally also exhibit jealousy toward women who are considered more conventionally attractive, but why would this jealousy not be due to society's disproportionate valuation of women's physical appearance over men's? "Their findings suggested that women feel the need not only to be physically attractive, but professionally dominant to appeal to men, while guys just need to tell a good fart joke once in a while." This statement is highly reminiscent of the centuries of pseudoscience that devalue women's (and men's) abilities to act rationally and to care about real social problems that directly affect their live, like professional advancement and respect from members of society who are in economic and political power (i.e. men). What Hank terms "The need to be physically attractive" is astonishingly vague, and perpetuates the notion that women are naturally or inherently driven to objectify and present themselves as a desired, rather than desiring, object. The "research" done by Samoan psychologists also seems to be quite suspect. It does not allow for the fact that the Fa'afafine men may come from a different upbringing that results in their adoption of behaviors their culture typically views as "feminine." "Feminine" behavior is not necessarily a direct result of male homosexuality. Correlation does not equal causality. Hank, read at least a few reputable academic sources on the history of human sexuality and pick up a copy of Butler's Gender Trouble. It's been out and about for a while now, and there's really no excuse not to have read it.
I don't mean to be super negative. I have nothing against gay males. But they're is definitely more homosexual males around these days. Or atleast gay males that actually say they're gay. It's great that we're evolving a bit and homosexuality is a bit more accepted these days. But it makes me a tiny bit sad as a female, I know I'm probably being over dramatic but I feel like I have less of a chance to find a life partner now. My ex and I broke up because he realized he was gay
don't look for someone who is sexually attracted to you, just look for someone who can love you. sometimes they that means a gay person marrys a female. in my opinion, love is not bound by sexual attraction.
Wulframm Rolf thats actually the most helpful thing said in this comment chunk. Thankyou! I don't think love should be bound by sexual attraction either. To be honest I'm hoping its not o_o
I wish what you are saying was true! I swear to God being gay is like being in high school again...everyone seems to know the same people, regardless of geographical location! We alllllll have the same Facebook friends in common. The gay world is not a big one.
I am a devout, practicing Catholic who not only attends Mass every week and Holy Day of Obligation, but is also involved in the Church itself as a Sacristan. I have lots of LGBT friends and see nothing wrong with them. What they do in bed is nobody's business, just like how what anyone else does in bed is nobody else's business.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Are you seriously telling me that there are women who don't leave work entirely to take care of her baby? Feminism is one thing, but jesus christ this is taking it too far. Take care of your goddamn baby, so it won't be disrespectful.
Why should women leave their entire carrier to take care of their baby ? Men can do it too. I think it would event be better if the two parents a job with less work-time to take care of the baby together :) PS : I'm a man, so no feminism :p
LeSingeAffame Why do you think women are better at multitasking? Raising a baby must be horror for men. (I don't care how much you love your child, even as a 14 year old i think it's an unbearable amount of work for no purpose whatsoever.) Plus given that babies need breast-feeding, it makes no sense for the mother to be away. Father's are more for telling jokes, help the kids resolve problems, and getting supplies. Basically, Men come in later. For the first couple years, It's all on the mother. (Figuratively speaking, I know the father can, And should help.)
Our technology allows us to feed the baby whithout breast-feeding, even if breast-feeding is, as said in this episode, better. It allows women to do other stuff, like cleaning the house if they want to, or go to work while the father takes care of the baby. Today, IMO, women should not have to choose between their baby and their work, either because only one salary isn't enough, or because they don't want to completely throw their career away, or other reasons. If they want to, no problem, but we shouldn't force them to. Our society allows women to have children and to work, we should not take this right away. The mother is important, I completely agree, but the father is also very important, a baby should have a father who takes care of him. And since both parents cannot stop working, they have to work.
Um, no. I would like to think that we have come far enough where idk tools have helped us become more efficient. Also, I am sorry are you implying that men are incapable of installing a great set of morals and encouraging appropriate behaviors in children. I swear it is like men really hate the idea that they care capable of things. MY GOD DON'T LEAVE THAT CHILD WITH ME I DON'T KNOW TO TEACH A CHILD IT ISN'T APPROPRIATE NOT TO SHIT ON A WALL. There are species where men take care of the young. Are you saying that humans, who build buildings and create medicines, can't figure out how to substitute a parent or even set up a different care system?
KaLeetheOreo Exactly. Humans have developed a working system once, And since we are one of the least flexible creatures ever to exist, We are simply unable to let that go. LeSingeAffame I understand that humans have rights, But there are multiple counter arguments to what you just said. 1. The ever-lasting question of why on earth did you want a baby if you can't take care of it? 2. The thing is, You guys in the US don't have grandparents as often as we europeans do, And you are even less likely to have a grandfather that has a farm with a cow that he milks personally. I got warm, fresh cow milk right from the cow into my mug, and it was awesome. (R.I.P. Grandpa) But you guys only have milk that's in cartons, bags, or metal containers. (From cow farms that sell milk every day so they don't preserve it.) I'd hate to see a person who never tasted fresh milk, Because it's awesome.
I feel strange because I have what a belief about sexuality that is odd for a lot of Americans. I'm perfectly fine with someone having alternate sexual identities/preferences, but I don't think a person is born that way. I do think you can influence someone's sexuality, and that it is learned (at least partially. Everything we do is a combination of our genetic, instinctive reaction and our learned one), but we don't understand it enough to force a person one way or the other. Another's sexuality doesn't concern me at all, and I believe you should be free to do what you want, but I think the explanation that a person is born with their sexuality is just a poor argument for cultural acceptance of alternative sexualities.
"I disagree with either the theory of evolution or that sexuality could possibly be a genetic trait! Therefore I will close my mind to this topic and not show any interest in learning!" -What I take from a lot of these comments.
Hi everybody, Derek here and I'm gonna tell you something that is really important for you to know! (crowd waits, excited) I am an human! Yes, unique, uh? In fact, we are differencied by our capability of using our brains to think of things deeply into things, like reading between lines, getting the second meaning of a joke, and other things like that. We are not the only smart animal on the planet, we are not the only ones to have fun while reproducing, we are not the only ones to have emotions. Thinking of elephants, dolphins and apes. But what does being human means? (Thinking music) Well, nobody really knows. I know everybody tells you this, but there is no such thing as ''normal'' human. We all have differences that makes us a beautiful species, other than using our brain like no other. Albinism and Melanism both exists, but we are more than just that. We are all different, in another way that other animals.The problem is: our brain isn't only good for us. It provides things as differences rejecting, religion (sorry im atheist but im trying to say that religions all differ from each other and create wars and other things, not saying that religion itself is a bad thing) or other things (I know i keep saying ''other'' and ''things'' xD) that conducts to a person's bad situation. We, humans, created our own social rules, and we even thought about what does it need to be a boy and what it needs to be a girl. To be a boy, you have to have muscles, to love sport, to think about sex every 20 seconds (im exaggerating), to be bad at school, and to skate (when talking of teenages). If you're not doing any of these things (like me --') then you're not being socially accepted as a ''normal'' boy. But the main question is: why is there males or females that love the same gender??? Some people insist they are unnatural. Lies. If something is not ''natural'', it dies or just don't exist.Nature isn't testing random genes to do something ''not good for humanity''. The truth is something way more important than statistics or religion or social rules. It's something that I said just when you started to read this comment.
This clip leaves me unsatisfied because only roughly 30% is devoted to its title.
+Kevin Lew seriously omg
i would dare say it's a 33,33333333321%
+Kevin Lew I disagree because he talked about docking in the beginning of the video which is definitely related to male homosexuality :P
XD
+Kevin Lew Recommendation to the videographer: Please provide an annotation pointing to 2:30 where the topic which the title describes begins. Thanks. ;)
jump to 3:45 if you're interested in male homosexuality
Thanks
you're welcome
BLESS U!
Lol click bait. It's not surprising. People who say homosexuality is not genetic are usually also in the "dinosaurs never existed" mind frame.
yah, when I saw the rocket, I tought it was TOO Metaphoric
I found this series like 7 hours ago and ive been waching it non stop
SO me circa last year lmao
Gentle men of the jury,
I'm curious,
Bare with me,
Are you aware that sci show teaches you some history?
Intellectual Badass i see your sly hamilton reference
Michael Aranda, Caitlin, and Hank, the hosts of SciShow
Me too 😂
The main reason why homosexuality may seem like a choice is because you've known this person for so many years, way into adulthood, thinking they were straight, when suddenly one day they admit to being gay, and you're sitting there thinking "But you were straight just the other day! When did you choose to be gay?" If society stops punishing gay people for being themselves, then gay people wouldn't hide it so much, which means no one will say they were straight in the first place.
+Thallanar Rabidtooth I didn't even think that people would think it happened like that. Interesting idea.
Here I was thinking people were just so stubborn and wanted to try convincing their gay friend that they can just be straight.
well said. it's a vicious cycle with the victims of bias societal standards often being the most hurt. hopefully one day we will live in a world where it's okay to be who you are from the get go.
+Thallanar Rabidtooth Precisely correct!
FuxxyDestroyer 'it's a disorder, which can be treated and/or cured' The use of the word 'cured' implies that there is/will be a cure. I don't think that you know what 'natural' means so I'll google it for you since you seem incapable of doing it yourself lmgtfy.com/?q=Natural+definition . I'm starting to think that you're a troll and debating whether to continue responding. Thinking about it coming to a video about homosexuality is one of the best places to troll. I need to be truthful with you Fuxxy, I am not excepted, nobody leaves me out, I am never the exception and I hate it, when I was a young gay little boy I always wanted to be excepted, but now my poor life choices mean that I can't.
FuxxyDestroyer Also it takes about 1 minute to read my response and took about 5 minutes to type it, you might improve your vocabulary because I used some WOW words :)
I have always thought of Hank Green as exceptionally intelligent, and an peerless communicator. In this video it becomes clear that he is consistently non biased and courageous as well. Thanks for the good work, Hank. You are the stuff that good role models should be made of!
I've always thought he looks just like Hank from vlogbrothers.
>_>
It is Hank. Unless you're joking in which case..haha
Who the eff is Hank?
SafeHavenForSailors It is amazing how you manage to name the title of one of there latest videos
Hank is a colloquial name for a large ball located in Cawker City, Kansas made by Frank Stoeber.
People say that there are more gay people now then there was years ago. That isn't true in my opinion. Years ago when being gay was considered wrong in most cultures doesn't mean less people were gay. You know how people want to be excepted by others and not bullied or judged. Some gay women and men in those times would keep it to themselves for that reason. But now since being gay is becoming more excepted, more people don't keep it to themselves because there are more and more people that accept it and more and more gay women and men in this time.
Or maybe societal factors also contribute to whether someone is gay or not. Maybe for some people, sexuality is more fluid than we think.
I'd just like to point out that before recent history, homosexuality was actually a lot more common and excepted then it is now. It wasn't widely discussed, or majorly supported mind you, but as far I know anyway it existed for a very long time, and only became such a hated topic in recent history.
You both have a good point. I do agree with you trikeira6ooo. When religion started to take over people started to see homosexuality as a bad thing, or a sin. That is why more people started to hide there feelings and who they were.
trikeira6ooo During the height of the Greek and Roman empires it wasn't even taboo, practically everyone was bisexual because sex was sex, it was simply to be enjoyed like wine or sport. Just like it is seen in most other species on this planet, it was recreational. Then Christianity appeared and everything the Romans did was pagan, if the Romans did it then it was immoral and you were a sinner. Wee bit of history for Christians to be proud of.
Rob Fraser Well, you have to ask yourself: if Christianity said that homosexuality was immoral, why did people accept it?
And no, homosexuality wasn't as commonplace in Rome as you make it sound. Maybe in Athens..
I believe homosexuality has been observed in many other species as well. Another reason why it's not immoral at all, just a natural thing.
agreed
I agree, it is compeletly natural.
Howwever, it can't be used as a form of reproduction; so what's its use? IS it purely bond-making (e.g relasing dopamine and oxcytocin)
+Randagas Mayat
we can still reproduce we just aren't attracted to the opposite sex
I sorry if that's what it sounded like. I was in know way advocating thta Gay people can't reproduce. I was merlely stating that sole Homosexual relations won't result in reproduction due to the sexual nature of our specices.
Randagas Mayat
But it will result in widespread AIDS, but let's not talk about that since it's not politically correct to do so.
So basically, homosexuality rates may increase in times of overpopulation.
That makes sense. You would have non-breeding pairs that would also potentially have the free time and income to adopt an orphaned child.
if we assume that is true then is homosexuality natures' answer to overpopulation?
But the earth hasn't suffered from overpopulation in ancient history ? id imagine overpopulation issues only arose within the past couple of centuries if not decades
Our overpopulation has only recently started to affect the Earth as a whole, but local populations have almost always had issues with overpopulation.
It's a natural result of our tendency to live in large groups and create cities.
Then what you say will only be true if you see signs of homosexuality in smaller local populations consistently right ?zachary939
I always thought it was just natures way of population control
Can't say that I cared for this one. You called it "The Evolution of Male Homosexuality," but it took you over half the video before you even reached that topic.
I agree, then got overly verbose when describing the gist: a study concluded mothers and grandmothers of gay men reproduce more than those of straight men.
Agreed. Seems to be a bit of skittishness about the subject by the writers and presenter.
I'm Dutch. Thanks for calling us sexy ;)
+Taco Scheltens we are
+Jason Schneijder yeah we are
+Xa4 Schneiders Yes we are
+Geometry Dash Kronosaurus yes yes we are
The nice thing about Dutch is: if you want to translate the sentence "Carla is sexy" you don't have to change a single word.
Videos like this seem to have become less common on Scishow (wherein Hank describes studies) which is a shame because they're my favourites.
Why is sexuality even controversial? Like I love who I love and you love who you love stop making my love sound hateful and bad.
So a father can have a sexual relationship with his son?
@@piyushchoudhary1316 what is that supposed to even mean? are you mentally ok
I'm very happy with the civil and scientific and mature discussion of homosexuality in the comments section. Good job guys :')
Children sometimes have a male parent or parents. How accurately did the fellas estimate their children's weight? Assuming these noteworthy 'studies' weren't sexist, smug and self serving, naturally.
A Europa landing seems rather pointless when the Kinsey Scale is not misunderstood but disregarded.
No. TED hasn't called.
What are you talking about
Perhaps it is bcz you wont find many fundamentalist cruising a science channel . Hence the paucity of flaming against science theory, hypotheses, or fact.
I feel that this vlog was slightly mislabeled. It wasn't as focused as the tag-line suggests; rather than giving a detailed analysis of the varied and multiple evolutionary theories on male homosexuality it was a hodgepodge of unrelated factoids. There was no mention of population control theory, social bonding theory, the diligent uncle theory, or the conflict resolution theory of homosexuality. I am a fan of sci show and I felt that this blog was uncharacteristically scattered. We all get you're taking pains to demonstrate your heterosexuality by alluding to Scarlett Johansson's celestial body, but sort it out! I demand a more thorough video! ;) xx
Cheers to you
I couldn't see a scenario where homosexuality is in no way connect to genetics. Almost everything to do with humans comes from a combination of stimuli and heredity.
human populations that were crowded could benefit, sort of like a natural regulating system.
It comes from pirates stuck out on the sea for a long time. There by comes the phrase "Arrrrh give me ya'rrr booty".
Lol
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I had to think about that one for a sec.
*Aye aye CAPTAIN!!*
I don't even remember how I found this channel, But I've been watching it ever since, and I don't regret a minute of my life I used watching them.
There's a fascinating study that was done by a scientist who did a double-blind study on corpses. He dissected something like 200 corpse's brains, meticulously weighing and measuring each part of each brain. Then he categorized the data and found that there was a part of the brain (I can't remember what it's called) that was larger in some subjects and smaller in others.
Well, it turned out that something like 90% of the subjects with that larger part were male, while 10% were female. When the scientist pulled the info on the subjects, it turned out that ALL 10% of those female were lesbians, while all 90% were straight. The exact same results were found with the smaller part of the brain in the other subjects, except reverse the sexes. So what did the scientist hypothesize? Well, apparently this part of the brain controls sexuality and so the scientist figured out that if that part of the brain keeps growing, you end up attracted to females. While if that part of your brain stopped growing, you ended up attracted to males.....all regardless of your actual sex.
So, perhaps, there is a genetic link as the video suggests? Strongly sexual straight women probably have a smaller than usual part of the brain that controls sexuality and perhaps they pass that gene on to their sons who end up with that same brain part being smaller as well, therefore causing them to also be attracted to men?
This references the famous study on hypothalamus size, I believe.
The sample size was ~41 individuals IIRC - not representative, not sufficient.
All of the cadavers were of people who had died of HIV-induced AIDS - it was later found that AIDS can result in swelling of the hypothalamus.
The study was later retracted on page four of whatever journal it was in. My memory is really weird and selective so I remember that it was (probably) on page four, but I can't remember the publication. Anyway, the study basically - if you'll pardon my language - ain't worth shit.
Thomas Saba You may be referencing a different study that was similar. The study I was referring to was one we looked at in a Psychological Development course I took in college and we spent almost an entire chapter on it, regarding human sexuality and all that.
It's been a while since that course and I'd have to take the time to find it. If I do, I'll post a link.
Please do - just because it's in a text book or college course does not make it necessarily credible.
+It's Me Still waiting for that source.
Death_by_Clicker I work full-time, go to school full-time, and am a single father. I don't have time to do research for others. Check out this thing called "The Internet".
Can’t believe you missed the perfect opportunity to use the transition: “speaking of docking...”
What if i wanted to leave a comment in the description below? or in the search bar above??!?
If I ever find a way to do that, I'll get back to you.
this will only show up on your screen, but right click on the search bar, select inspect. look in the highlighted text in the pop up. double click on the word search, type in your comment & hit enter
You know, it bewilders me that so many people care so much that homosexuals exist. Why does it personally offend you so much? It literally does not affect your life that they exist (not negatively, anyway). I mean they adopt children and give them homes and love but you just don't like the way it looks so, it has to be wrong, right?
I think any debates in the comments can be resolved by this:
God loves _everyone_.
Even if you're gay or lesbian.
Even if you're straight.
Even if you support abortion.
Even if you don't.
Even if you believe in Him.
Even if you don't.
So, no, gays and lesbians are not going to hell simply because they are gay and lesbian. And isn't part of Christianity to love everyone as Jesus loved us, that is to say, unconditionally and _without judgement?_ It's our actions that determine the outcome of our lives.
Bringing god into this only muddies the water, since people differ so much in their religious beliefs
I thought this topic was going to be very interesting, people don't tend to talk about the science and evolution of homosexuality! I was a little annoyed that you (in my opinion) didn't talk about it at all. The little part that you may have ventured there slightly was a minute....if not less! No worries just saying. THE EVOLUTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!? Thats something people should be talking about! Whether it is natural or not, perhaps addressing similar brain activity, similar traumas, anything! Idk I lost my point. And please no one take this offensively just questions from a neutral position trying to look at it scientifically!
As homosexuality has been observed in a variety of other species, I'd venture to call it more natural than homophobia, which exists in only one species. I do think that the title of the video was used as clickbait, though, as he spent thirty seconds discussing the background and unnecessary information on the study and about ten on the results of said study, less than one seventh of the video. That was kind of rambly.
I agree, especially since I find that subject very interesting. I do think there's likely a biological advantage for families with some homosexual members, and it has been observed that in swan families with some lesbian swans, for example, if a sibling of one of the lesbian swans dies leaving orphaned offspring, they and their mate will start taking care of their offspring, so any recessive genes for homosexuality that might be present would be more likely to survive because of this advantage. I've also read that homosexuality and bisexuality could increase group cohesiveness, because if members of a group aren't viewing each other as competitors, they can focus more heavily on gaining resources. Also, with animals like rats that have an alpha, bisexuality could be an advantage there as well, since if the alpha encounters another alpha that he'd rather mate with than fight, it frees up both their mischiefs to mate with each other, which ultimately leads to more genetic diversity and less inbreeding.
GearandaltheFirst, enjoying your comment I just wanted to add that homophobia exists in only some cultures of only one species. It appears that the more highly evolved cultures of our species have grown out of it, i.e., gotten over it. Those cultures would be (this is my opinion) some American indigenous peoples and the Fa'Afafine, to name a couple. Would you agree?
William Hunter Yes, I would agree, the cultures that seem to be less suicidal (as in less infighting and less environmental destruction) seem to have no problem with homosexuality
PixieoftheWood, I really enjoyed your comment, and I agree, biological evolution is fascinating. I've been using this topic to try and get people to realize that homosexuality is a "thing" for a biological reason. Otherwise it wouldn't be a "thing." If you get my drift? Homosexuality is basic to our nature as a species, so let's get over it and stop discriminating and killing, in some cases, each other over something that is encoded into us. On the opposite end of the spectrum of such ideas as we've stated with regards homosexuality is the issue of "race." (This is another one that makes me want to bang my head against the wall.) All these "racists" people (to be sure, it is a minority) are concerned with something that doesn't even exist! It's not a "thing." There is only one "race" of Homo sapiens sapiens. Education is key to resolution of such unproductive and detrimental ideas as these, I think. (It would be nice to see our religious leaders also contribute to the idea of love and acceptance.) And yet, here we are busily making education unaffordable to more and more people. It begs the question, in my mind, 'WTF?' (please excuse my rude language)
soo basicly if your gay friend has a sister big chance shes a nympho lol.. nice...
I will keep this in my mind
+P3pp3r You win the internet
pretty much
Leave my sister alone..........
asuku93 But what if she likes me?
Ehm, so what about the female part? Say, if I love women's body so extremely, is there a higher chance my daughter is gonna be lesbian?
I think it would be more the opposite, looked the dad with an extra strong breeding instinct would pass that on to his daughter
"I want to re-criminalized homosexuality, so i can feel dirty when i do it." Frankie Boyle.
I love the way you say Fa' afafine xD It's incorrect, but cute and a bit silly.
I believe that sexual orientation is genetic. My reason for that belief is my own family. I'm gay. My father was bisexual. One of his brothers is gay. My father's uncle was gay. At least one of my paternal cousins admits to being bisexual. If it's not genetic then it's a hell of a coincidence for so many members of the same family to be gay or bi.
Is bi curiosity also genetic? Where's the heteroflexible gene? The mostly straight gene? Why do some guys have gay attractions out of the blue, later in life, when no attraction existed before?
Sexual orientation is NOT genetic. But largely epigenetic. Epimarks switch control which sex you will physiologically respond to. But epimarks may also be manipulated in adulthood, through chemicals in our environment and food and mental conditioning.
Kiko Joseph I'm not a scientist. I can't possibly answer whether or not there is a bisexual gene. Or whether or not everyone that is gay has a genetic predisposition to it. I can only speak on my personal belief based on what I have personally observed in my own family and in a few other families. For example, The Rhodes Bros. I've also read a few articles over the years about families with multiple children that turned out to be gay. Your epimark theory also doesn't account for instances of homosexuality and bisexuality in nature. Surely, you aren't suggesting that animals that engage in same sex behavior have all been drinking the same kool-aid...
On a related topic, since the original post I made two months ago another of my cousins has come out as gay.
It would be, most likely. May even be a mutation do the gay/straight genes or possibly even the presence of both.
WilC79 Although there may be genes that contribute, in a perfectly random system you will see some families having the average number of gay relatives, some having almost none, and some having many more. It really could be just coincidence - or it might just be that your family is much more honest about their sexuality than others.
+Heather Spoonheim
Maybe they can be more honest about it because if you see that a gay relative doesn't get ostracised by the family you are more likely to come out too, if you're gay. (Not disagreeing with you here, just adding a point.)
weird. the one and only christian advertisement i've ever gotten on youtube preceded this video. ugh... that's both creepy and wrong.
wow there are some pretty smart people in the comments and a good debates on such a important topic in our world today. thanks to all who shared their opinions calmly and without degrading each other for not agreeing or seeing things differently
Wow😯I stumbled across this video after seeing the most current SciShow. I like it ... But the new show is much improved. Thank you for all your hard work on this through the years.
I'm argentinian living in Spain, currently smoking dutch weed.
I demand my personal harem now!
Scarlett Johansson is definitely the right kind of body, no offense to the Jovian moons.
richard reeves
A heavenly body?
just get to the point ive been watchin for almost 2 minutes and ur just ramblin on about space stuff..
Screw you space stuff is awesome!
Why are you so mad? did you have really important things to do but his space talk got in the way? nah man, you didn't. you are literally mad for no reason. I feel bad for you.
+joseph kramer -.-
Wouldn't say he comes across as "so mad" just irritated that the first 3 (almost 4) minutes have literally nothing to do with the title of the video... we came for homosexuality, not space m8! Though that said, it was pretty interesting to me anyway, but there you go.
joseph kramer relax kid nobodys mad..
I have 5 older siblings and I'm gay.
What? You want a cookie?
You want one for being a jerk?
+Cheyene Perry It wasn't so much being a jerk, as much as being a wise-ass. Though getting a desert from a jerk would make that an "icky cookie".
sketchthis Just making a statement related to the video. No need to be a jack ass.
#mysiblingsmademegay
I'd be interested in a study that identified when someone becomes heterosexual. How and why? At which point in development or which specific cultural or spiritual factor is pivotal in them determining their sexual attraction to another gender for the sole purpose of procreation?
Well even straight people don't want to have kids all the time.
That aside though. The best that science can tell your sexuality is determined before you are born.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most fa'afafine imposed into womanly roles and lifestyles when there are no young females? I was under the impression that this phenomena traces back to practical applications of household balances. In this instance, the young fa'afafine would be psychologically receptive to female sexuality, while ALSO being a reason why the mother would be excessively breeding (in hopes of a female offspring desired)
If I remember correctly, this cultural trend is mostly shaped by the strict gender roles of the location
As a gay male I believe I that Hank Green is incredibly attractive.
Thank you Hank and everyone at SciShow for the video
My god, the comments on this video are depressing, are there really that many hateful, ignorant scumbags that follow SciShow? Surprising to see... :/
Or, it was click-bait...this is an old episode in the early turmoils of TH-cam so yea SciShow did do this(click-bait), now they have more appropriate titles for their vids.
+TheEpoch the proper use of the term "ignorant" is having a lack of data or knowledge, and says nothing of one's mental aptitude nor intelligence, merely their exposure to the information. So querying if/that visitor of an informational science channel would be lacking in circumstantial facts seems a bit rhetorical, so I am hoping that such a comment was rhetorical and not due to a deficit of recognizable proof that those visitors are, to whatever degree ignorant.
sketchthis
I know you tarted it up a bit, not sure why you went to so much effort, but you're essentially suggesting that some of these people aren't ignorant about homosexuality because they're fans of a Science Show..
+ThisEpoch I'm actually suggesting that most of us are ignorant to varying degrees. That's the point of science - to be exposed to new concepts and consider re-evaluating what we previously believed. Claiming that ignorance is wrong is akin to suggesting that intolerance of the unenlightened is righteous.
sketchthis Okay, seems like you're just being pretentious and aren't really trying to make a point, so I can't be fucked.
ok, then explain to me about bisexuality. I'd be courious to know more about this.
I see what you did there
+Rémi St-Jacques Here it is:
'Sex determination came at a late stage of evolution on planet Earth. Life did not begin with sexual reproduction. The beginning was with asexual reproduction and sexual reproduction came later. It has several orientations; one of them is the animal that is a hermaphrodite, i.e., having both masculine and feminine reproductive organs. Another orientation includes a type of fish, which at some stages in its life is male with fully developed reproductive organs. He fertilizes, and then in a different stage transforms into a female with fully developed reproductive organs and she lays eggs. Another orientation is our case, where there is a male and a female who are separate and whose sexes are determined for their entire lives. In this case, the fetus has the potential to be a male or a female. What determines the growth of certain genitals and not others are the sex hormones. This means that within each body there is a male and a female, or let’s say the potential to be male or female. What happens is that one of them dominates when implementing the genetic blueprint specific for this body, so the fetus becomes male or female. This issue is clear in some conditions or chromosome abnormalities, as is the case in androgen insensitivity syndrome, where sometimes the case is a female with internal male organs. I mentioned this in The Atheism Delusion, and here is the text to clarify this issue for you: “There is a genetic mutation that affects the androgen receptors and it is called the masculinization hormone [androgen] syndrome in the fetus (46XY). This mutation inhibits the effect of the male sex gene; thus, a feminine reproductive system is formed. The case of one afflicted with this syndrome depends on the type of mutation and the degree of its effect on androgen receptors. So he could have incomplete male and female organs and one of them might suffice. But in general there are feminine characteristics. So if the fetus carrying male genes, meaning (46XY), suffers from a complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, externally he would be completely female. In fact, it is usually difficult to diagnose the case early without precise testing. So the fetus has apparent feminine organs, so he is usually a female, but she is without a uterus or ovaries, meaning she is a female with an incomplete female reproductive system, and she also has an internal male reproductive system that is concealed within the pelvis.” According to the above, we can understand that each male carries a dead female within him, and each female carries a dead male within her. What homosexuals do is psychologically revive this buried physical interior that became obsolete during fetal development, although actually and practically, there is no significant, real and actual trace of it in the body. A male might have to play a female role, and the female might have to play a male role. The truth is, not only does the human being practice this, but other animals practice this as well by 10 percent, perhaps slightly more or less, and the reason for that is what I clarified above. With this statement, it is made clear that homosexuality is not natural just because other animals practice it. It is an issue of abnormality and departure from the nature that dominates the body of the living being. What is natural is to place laws that prevent and limit this abnormality, and not the opposite. However, and unfortunately, the fact that homosexuality is a common characteristic in the animal kingdom was used as an excuse to persuade some politicians in Britain and France, most of whom are ignorant about evolutionary biology, to pass gay marriage laws. The scientific truth that we, and the rest of the animals whose bodies are particular to a single, fully developed reproductive system all of their lives, are sexually specific. The attempt of some individuals to practice homosexuality does not make homosexuality natural. It is a departure from the physical and physiological nature, and the living being, especially the rational one like the human, can easily suppress this homosexuality. That’s why what is correct is to place laws that suppress and help suppress homosexuality and not the other way around, like what is happening these days, very unfortunately, as news of countries’ acknowledgement of gay marriage continues to surface. So the cure is in the hands of each person who finds himself inclining toward homosexuality. If there is satanic inspiration telling him there is a dead female inside of him and pushing him to revive her, he knows that within him is a living, prominent male with complete reproductive organs, and the same goes for the female. If we say, as an example, that each human male has 90 percent male and 10 percent female within him, and each human female has 90 percent female and 10 percent male within her, it is natural that the male characteristics and desires dominate the male because it is the higher percentage of his physical composition. The same goes for the female, as female characteristics will dominate her. Allowing the 10 percent to dominate the body and turn a male into a female, or vice versa, is an abnormal and deviated condition, and the human being should be able to suppress it and dominate it because it is a departure from the physical nature dominating the body due to deceptive inspirations that can be confronted and suppressed once the sexual truth that dominates the body is faced. What’s left is the possibility of there being conditions that affect the body, such as a deficiency or an excess of some hormones, or other conditions. These conditions can be treated by visiting a specialized physician.'
- Ahmed Alhasan
Divine Law : There is a way to determine the sex of a human which is the physical state and whether the person has genitals that are fully developed. If the genitals are masculine, the person is a male and it is not permissible for him to have a sex-change operation. If the genitals are feminine, the person is a female and it is not permissible for her to have a sex-change operation. However, if the genitals are not fully developed or if the person has a combination of them or other similar congenital abnormalities, he can choose the sex and have a surgical procedure that declares him male or female. This is the answer concerning the jurisprudence aspect.
The title is very misleading. Only about 2 minutes are about homosexuality and its literally just one fact.
In these videos they talk about ~5 recent science studies, news and discoveries. They pick the most interesting one to put in the title
On almost every single one of SciShow 's videos there is a debate of some sort
As this channel is a place of science and learning, I would like to propose a little mad social science experiment. First, let me present several Facts:
Fact 1: Homosexuality exists.
Fact 2: The Scientific Community is not entirely sure why.
Fact 3: There are many theories as to why Homosexuality exists.
Fact 4: On of the most popular, scientifically speaking, is that it is genetic, or epigenetic, or some combination of the two.
Fact 5: Many, or even most, major religions are against Homosexuality for one reason or another.
Now, with all these Facts in mind, and thus in no further need of explanation, let us discuss. Please check your facts, and try to keep the rancor, soapboxing, and religious expounding (see Fact 5) to a minimum. I will not contribute, but will attempt to moderate, and will compile and present my observations and findings when I deem the experiment complete. Who knows, we may actually learn something.
I would theorize that homosexuality is more of a mixture of genetic and cultural/social influences due to identical twins having different orientations.
HPetch I think that homosexuality is a sin and science is evil.
Alex Darksider Either you're a troll, or you legitimately think that. If it is the later, we don't care.
HPetch I don't think a 'reason' for homosexuality will be found any time soon, as too few people and institutions either do not care, or have no funds for serious experimentation or research. Meanwhile, simply accept differences in sexual attraction. Bottom line? What effect does homosexuality have on others?
John Benton Not much
200 people were questioned? That study basically says nothing.
That was a smart answer from a guy who doesn't know stuff about studies.
+Toshihiro Kun Yes, it means nothing.
watch?v=sxYrzzy3cq8
He's right; 200 data points in a world of billions of people IS insignificant...
+Toshihiro Kun Actually it might, but the exact numbers shouldn't be trusted, and if a specific group was asked, the research should only conclude things about that specific group.
It's a start and produces some data that others may take and try to independently reproduce and verify. You know sciency stuff.
This actually makes sense because in the animal world it was noted that frogs can change sexes if there is too many populated as one sex therefore creating a balance in the environment.
jomossino Not all frogs, that's a species of frog you're referring to.
jomossino That is something they seem to do it at will while for Humans to change sexes they have to go through some type of surgery usually but some humans can be the embodiment of neither male or female.
I'm just playing old SciShow episodes because I am stressed. Hank Green's voice soothes me. It is familiar and rational and awesome.
The problem with homosexuality is the ignorance of homophobes -simples.
Fun fact: Some of Jupiter's moons were named after the god Jupiter's lovers, Ganymede being a male.
I think that in Samoan culture, a family with many sons is expected to have a certain ratio of heterosexual sons and Fa'afine. It's not genetic, it's just a cultural norm.
Love you work and your perspective man. Thank you.
gays would have contributed to child rearing as well, helping with the success of their family groups.
eric vulgate Please don't say "child rearing"
+Sponk dude you're mad perverted
Not sure I agree with the title of this video...
I could agree to the title if the video was solely about the evolution of male homosexuality, however, it is not.
Haha alright then and thank you! :)
Matthew Arden
Vomiting compliments don't get you anywhere. It's prbly a dude for all you know, cuz its the internet.
Haha last time I checked I was definitely female :L
Oh, man evolution and homosexuality together? I smell a train wreck.
A gay train wreck?
Yup
Kfll22 I hope OP is there
Nah, the type of people who would freak out about evolution and/or homosexuality would not be the type to watch SciShow.
I tried to click the link for the "more about Europa" clip, but it kept opening in the same tab which annoying. I wasn't going to say anything because I thought it'd be petty but then I tried clicking on the "references" link in the description and it took me to an advert. You're classier than this, SciShow
yo, as a Samoan, gotta say....for a white guy raised in America, pretty good annunciation on “Fa’afafine"....although a slang term we also use is “FaFa"....
How do astronauts clean them selves in space? zero gravity showers would be funny
sponge bath :(
They have non-foaming shampoo and paper towels...
I am a nerdy girl who is interested in science, books and random facts, but I still find the term ''homo erectus'' funny....
All of these old episodes keep popping up on my feed, and I realize how many difficult topics they have given Hank.
Best quote ever! "Motherhood: it makes you weird"🤣🤣🤣
Didn't make me weird I was plenty weird before having kids. 😂😂😂Did '
@@sharondesfor5151 weirder, then?
"Motherhood, it makes you weird" quote of 2016 😂😂😂
Research says that homophobes are more aroused to homosexual sexual acts. So if you're a homophobe... well, you just gave the world TMI
I just spent a loud minute scrolling through the replies to one hate comment. I now have to subscribe to you.
Lots of interesting information in this video but very little of it discussed homosexuality. Poorly selected title that's misleading about the content.
About the infant skulls: Does anyone of you know whether it is more dangerous to fall on your head when it is still flexible or if it is not flexible anymore?
Marie Lastname it would be more dangerous to fall on your head when your skull is still flexible, because your squishy brain underneath would be damaged more easily than if your skull was hardened and fully formed.
Sounds logical. Do you know or just guess? I just thought that maybe brain damage is more likely but a skull fracture less likely and that maybe in some cases brain "damage" is not as bad as it sounds. (Concussions are also "brain damage", at least in a way, and often not that big of a deal. I had four (correction on april 19th, 2015: three) of them within a bit more than a month when I was four.) Also I thought that maybe with a soft skull spine damage is less likely.
Marie Lastname
Well I'm not an expert, but I'd say its a pretty good guess. It really depends on a lot of factors, like how you fall, and how heavy you are, and how weak your neck is. getting hit really hard in the head is pretty much always a bad thing for your brain, but with a softer skull, the damage to your brain can be way worse. That's the reason why you have to be careful with a baby's head, while some minor squishing wont do too much, like during childbirth, which is why the skull is born flexible in the first place, it's generally not good to do anything more than touch a baby's head.
maxwell simon Thanks for specifiying, that was really sweet of you.
+Marie Lastname I would concur with +maxwell simon 's last comment, but I would like to clarify that the reason why the baby's brain isn't damaged during vaginal delivery is because the skull bones don't compress, they slide past each other like tectonic plates when the head is squeezed through the vagina, so there is no additional pressure put on the baby's brain.
As for someone who's skull is basically fused (though this doesn't finish happening until the 5th-6th decade of life), neck injuries are much more likely than skull fractures, even when you have direct impact on the top of the head--the most likely bone to break there is actually the first neckbone, called the atlas, in what is known as a "Burst Fracture;" it happens often in people who dive into swimming pools which are too shallow to do so safely.
Sorry for the long post; I hope it helps, though I am aware I didn't directly answer your question :p Cheers :)
I don't get it.. What does SpaceX has to do with homosexuality? Well, I can get it if they want to visit uranus, but that's really the only thing I can think of on how this relates to this video's topic...
When i hear that the researchers are psychologists, that can sometimes loose a bit of credibility for my standards.
I happen to be gay and there are a lot of questions that people are trying to explain way too fast without fully understanding what they're dealing with. For example, straight people trying to understand the dynamics between gay couples. Ellen DeGeneres said it best with "Asking who’s the ‘man’ and who’s the ‘woman’ in a same-sex relationship is like asking which chopstick is the fork.” I'm a masculine male and my boyfriend also happens to be masculine. People need to understand that masculinity vs. femininity, sexuality, and gender-identity are each seperate things. Yes I've met feminine, straight, cisgender men. Yes I've met femine, lesbian, transgendered women. ANY combination exists.
By the way people tend to forget that people aren't just XX and XY, there's X, XXX, XXXXXXY, XYYYY, etc.
So categorizing and looking at sexuality, sex, behavior, etc from a closed minded perspective will NOT help you to understand why people are the way they are. In fact it honestly doesn't matter! Why can't we focus on things like cancer research, alternative energy, water preservation, climate change, etc. The main reason why people do research on gay people these days, is so it can be used for an argument either for or against gay people- or any people! To me this seems like a waste of resources and human potential. How about let's start treating ALL humans with respect and dignity.
Yes I agree, it seems like a waste to study the reasons that some people are attracted to members of the same gender because it won't change the fact that they are. There are more pressing matters than the study of homosexuality like all the things you have mentioned.
I dont understand why there is way more studies about male homosexuals and nearly none about lesbians or bisexuals...
Because it is largely male homosexuals that society has a problem with. They have problems with the other two but to a *_much_* lesser extent. Straight guys are titillated by lesbians and as far as bisexuals go, as long as you are having some straight sex you are almost fine. I'm not sure why our society wants to sexual orientation to be a moral issue. Never mind, it's religion and their obsession with policing sexuality.
still, its dumb to make a study about sexual orientation if you are only going to compare homosexual men to heterosexual women and men. Shouldn't you take all orientations if you really wanted a serious study?
Same reason women's health studies are way behind males. Because men are the center of the universe and some have a hard time venturing out of the full time job.
Finally at 2:30 the title topic shows up.
so basicly using science to explain homosexualy gives every the burning need to start their comments with "so basicly".
So... Basically.
Man old scishow episodes are so different from the new ones
Why is this sandwiched in between two totally unrelated 'updates'?? Yay for space exploration and odd maternal behavior, but what do they have to do with the stated subject? Also glad we now know of your feelings for Scarlett Johansson.. ?!
3:40
I'm a DUUUDE ahhahahaha thanks for doing the lord's work my friend
I took my baby (from the time she was two weeks old) to work six days a week and breastfed her in the office until she was almost two. It can be done, you just need an understanding boss and a lot of patience.
6 years later i watch this video for the weird clickbait title and THIS sunday is mothers day.
I believe that some homosexuals are born with a more female complex so like a female they become sexually interested in males. Some just become gay sometime in there life at random . Some explore and explore until they become interested in men. I do believe that people sometimes choose and sometimes they're born more like a female . however knoeone has sexual thought during infantry.
I can't fault you for believing, but I doubt you're right. You're assuming that there has to be something inherently "female" about someone who is sexually interested in a male. That's a big assumption that would require quite a bit of proof, especially because there are various alternative explanations for the same end result.
Jaap van der Velde Note the 'i believe' at the front of what Ultimatedestroyer migee said, therefore he doesn't need the 'bit of proof' because it's what he believes, so therefore i believe that you lack intelligence that it is his opinionated belief that he is simply expressing.
PaperFace hmm. Note the entire first sentence of my comment. If think it's not actually me that's lacking something here.
That is rather interesting. I don't think people choose to be attracted to another human though; that'd be kind of hard to suggest. I mean, it would be nice if we could though, but that would make life too easy.
There's a portion of your brain that determines what you're into, sexually... It's developed while you're still in the form of a fetus... This was a study done in 2003, and it concurred that there's a part of your brain that hardwires your sexuality before you're even born. Huge articles like Time, Oxford journals, and Science daily covered this a decade ago, but people refuse to listen.
I hope this will shut the homophobes up, but it probably won't will it?
Never does, never will.
He starts getting to the point at 2:46
thank you so much !!!!!
Why did you spend so much time discussing what your title doesn't state?
The last part makes me think of Petunia and Dudley Dursley. :)
+Dion7 haha yeeeees
I have thought about it very very hard. Let me tell you, I did everything in my power to stop being attracted to guys. I dated girls, had sex with girls, lied to myself to suppress my feelings.
I didn't have a gay upbringing, and didn't have any gay people in my life at all. The only thing that happened was me hitting puberty and me being attracted to guys. Really. That's all it was.
Believe me man, it's not a choice. And if you really care about knowing the truth, you'll understand that.
God made us what we are. Love it or hate it
Hank and the crew of SciShow, I'm voting and hoping for a video educating people on vegan and/or vegetarian diets/lifestyles. Debunking myths such as "Protein deficiency" & weight & muscle loss. Vegans and animals all around the world need your help! From an unbiased perspective, please help us inform the world.
couple of points Hank..
1. classic example of correlation is not causation there..
mother who breast fed long gave up on long term income..
(as if that was even a vaguely equivalent thing anyway)
maybe woman who were more inclined to breast feed longer were also less concerned about running their lives around such trivial irrelevant goals in the first place..? perhaps woman who fully bonded with their child gained a better sense of what's truly important in life..?
2. phrases like 'researchers think' are very odd.. does a researchers opinion have any more weight then any body else's..? are they a sub set of humanity..? the phrase itself implies that this is not what the study actually showed or you might have said something like 'the evidence suggests'.. we need to keep the science thing very clear.. it's not aboiut what some poeple might 'think'.. that's kinda the point..
1. He never said that it was right or wrong to breastfeed longer. He only offered the results of an interesting study done by other researchers. He might feel the same as you, that it's far more important to breastfeed for a longer period than it is to keep full time work. You really have nothing to be upset about. No opinion was shared, just factual information.
2. Researchers opinions on the topics that they research certainly hold more weight than the average person. While you or I may have very little knowledge on a given topic, someone who researches that topic has likely spent much of their life learning and studying whatever that topic may be. Thus they are able to form a hypothesis based on facts rather than uninformed speculation.
…Basically stop trying to find reasons to be upset. Life is too short to play the victim and there are already plenty of people in society who seek outrage. You need not be one of them.
:)
losoyaknoso Thanks for your detialed reply but you seem to have misunderstood me.. I am not upset at all.. I am merely pointing out what i think are inacuracies because i think that's important in a science channel.. I take the time to do this because I like Hank and want the channel to be it's best.
1. The point it about the distinction between correlation and causation. It has nothing to do with my opinion on the relative merits of breast-feeding and career and makes no mention of what Hanks thoughts on the matter might be.. Simply it is implied that breast feeding 'led' woman to less/lower income/work afterwards which is offering a causative effect from statistical correlation. bad science..
2. Hypotheses are questions. Data reveals facts. If the data is in then it's not a researchers 'opinion' anymore.. If it's not in then it's not science.. That's all I'm trying to say.. if there are results then offer them.. if there aren't then don't.. researchers 'think' simply means to me that they haven't done the work yet.. i'e they don't 'know',, it's vague at best and bad science again.. it's important to keep these sorts of distinction clear.. especially when presenting science in a popularist form.. and on the whole Hank is very good at this.. which is why i take the time to comment when i feel he's slipped up.. to keep him on form and maintain the quality of the channel..
Thanks for your time.. I hope that make sense..?
paulflute To your first point in your most recent comment: He was saying that according to the studies, women that breastfed for 6 months had decreased income due to working less often. He didn't say that if you breastfeed for 6 months you're going to want to work less. He simply stated that women who did breastfeed for 6 months ended up working less and had less income as a result meaning that someone who breastfeeds for 6 months will most likely (based on statistics) end up with a lesser income due to less time spent working.
To your second point in your most recent comment: When he says things like "researchers believe" isn't he simply referring to their hypotheses based on the results? "The data is in" doesn't necessarily result in facts. For one thing it depends on how it's interpreted (researches opinion) and for another science is always building on itself and correcting past mistakes (the earth appears to be the center of the universe....more research led us to realize that it is not).
Thanks yes.. have listened again and he was indeed just refering to the money lost 'during' that period.. My bad.. still not convinced about the 'researcers think' comment here though.. implies that this wasn't actually part of the study.. seems like a slippery line between finding and opinions to me..
Yeah, I kind of see your point about the researchers opinion but isn't any theory a researches opinion that is based on observations and data? Meaning Relativity is a researchers opinion?
I always just assumed that Hanks fans would be thoughtful people and scientists so all the comments against homosexuality here really bug me. We are better than this people.
this video
utter trollbait
It's incredible how much more courage it takes to say the right thing then to say a hurtful thing. Thank you so much for that comment.
*Motherhood* *it* *makes* *you* *wiieerrdd* lol yes, yes it does
The examples Hank provides of stereotypically "masculine" or "feminine" behavior have been substantially disproved by the reputable academic community since the 1980's, and I'm disappointed that he does not seem to understand the difference between correlation and causality. Women generally do exhibit more jealousy and envy over things like job advancement than men do, but might that be because women have a harder time succeeding and gaining real power in the workplace, rather than some vague, unnamed "genetic" difference between how men and women think? Questionnaires are not an adequate method of data gathering to lead to the conclusion that there is a biological difference between male and female approaches to jealousy. Women generally also exhibit jealousy toward women who are considered more conventionally attractive, but why would this jealousy not be due to society's disproportionate valuation of women's physical appearance over men's? "Their findings suggested that women feel the need not only to be physically attractive, but professionally dominant to appeal to men, while guys just need to tell a good fart joke once in a while." This statement is highly reminiscent of the centuries of pseudoscience that devalue women's (and men's) abilities to act rationally and to care about real social problems that directly affect their live, like professional advancement and respect from members of society who are in economic and political power (i.e. men). What Hank terms "The need to be physically attractive" is astonishingly vague, and perpetuates the notion that women are naturally or inherently driven to objectify and present themselves as a desired, rather than desiring, object. The "research" done by Samoan psychologists also seems to be quite suspect. It does not allow for the fact that the Fa'afafine men may come from a different upbringing that results in their adoption of behaviors their culture typically views as "feminine." "Feminine" behavior is not necessarily a direct result of male homosexuality. Correlation does not equal causality. Hank, read at least a few reputable academic sources on the history of human sexuality and pick up a copy of Butler's Gender Trouble. It's been out and about for a while now, and there's really no excuse not to have read it.
I don't mean to be super negative. I have nothing against gay males. But they're is definitely more homosexual males around these days. Or atleast gay males that actually say they're gay. It's great that we're evolving a bit and homosexuality is a bit more accepted these days. But it makes me a tiny bit sad as a female, I know I'm probably being over dramatic but I feel like I have less of a chance to find a life partner now. My ex and I broke up because he realized he was gay
***** Thats just your own opinion, but probably don't say it like that o_o
***** Your lack of proper grammar and spelling is unnatural and disturbing.
don't look for someone who is sexually attracted to you, just look for someone who can love you. sometimes they that means a gay person marrys a female. in my opinion, love is not bound by sexual attraction.
Wulframm Rolf thats actually the most helpful thing said in this comment chunk. Thankyou! I don't think love should be bound by sexual attraction either. To be honest I'm hoping its not o_o
I wish what you are saying was true! I swear to God being gay is like being in high school again...everyone seems to know the same people, regardless of geographical location! We alllllll have the same Facebook friends in common. The gay world is not a big one.
"Motherhood: it makes you weird." The most true statement I've heard today.
Why is it controversial? Because of the, as a true Christian would put it, the " Icky, Icky Gay People"
I am a devout, practicing Catholic who not only attends Mass every week and Holy Day of Obligation, but is also involved in the Church itself as a Sacristan. I have lots of LGBT friends and see nothing wrong with them. What they do in bed is nobody's business, just like how what anyone else does in bed is nobody else's business.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Are you seriously telling me that there are women who don't leave work entirely to take care of her baby? Feminism is one thing, but jesus christ this is taking it too far. Take care of your goddamn baby, so it won't be disrespectful.
Why should women leave their entire carrier to take care of their baby ? Men can do it too. I think it would event be better if the two parents a job with less work-time to take care of the baby together :)
PS : I'm a man, so no feminism :p
LeSingeAffame Why do you think women are better at multitasking? Raising a baby must be horror for men.
(I don't care how much you love your child, even as a 14 year old i think it's an unbearable amount of work for no purpose whatsoever.)
Plus given that babies need breast-feeding, it makes no sense for the mother to be away. Father's are more for telling jokes, help the kids resolve problems, and getting supplies.
Basically, Men come in later. For the first couple years, It's all on the mother. (Figuratively speaking, I know the father can, And should help.)
Our technology allows us to feed the baby whithout breast-feeding, even if breast-feeding is, as said in this episode, better. It allows women to do other stuff, like cleaning the house if they want to, or go to work while the father takes care of the baby. Today, IMO, women should not have to choose between their baby and their work, either because only one salary isn't enough, or because they don't want to completely throw their career away, or other reasons. If they want to, no problem, but we shouldn't force them to. Our society allows women to have children and to work, we should not take this right away.
The mother is important, I completely agree, but the father is also very important, a baby should have a father who takes care of him. And since both parents cannot stop working, they have to work.
Um, no. I would like to think that we have come far enough where idk tools have helped us become more efficient. Also, I am sorry are you implying that men are incapable of installing a great set of morals and encouraging appropriate behaviors in children. I swear it is like men really hate the idea that they care capable of things. MY GOD DON'T LEAVE THAT CHILD WITH ME I DON'T KNOW TO TEACH A CHILD IT ISN'T APPROPRIATE NOT TO SHIT ON A WALL.
There are species where men take care of the young. Are you saying that humans, who build buildings and create medicines, can't figure out how to substitute a parent or even set up a different care system?
KaLeetheOreo Exactly. Humans have developed a working system once, And since we are one of the least flexible creatures ever to exist, We are simply unable to let that go.
LeSingeAffame I understand that humans have rights, But there are multiple counter arguments to what you just said.
1. The ever-lasting question of why on earth did you want a baby if you can't take care of it?
2. The thing is, You guys in the US don't have grandparents as often as we europeans do, And you are even less likely to have a grandfather that has a farm with a cow that he milks personally. I got warm, fresh cow milk right from the cow into my mug, and it was awesome. (R.I.P. Grandpa) But you guys only have milk that's in cartons, bags, or metal containers. (From cow farms that sell milk every day so they don't preserve it.)
I'd hate to see a person who never tasted fresh milk, Because it's awesome.
I feel strange because I have what a belief about sexuality that is odd for a lot of Americans.
I'm perfectly fine with someone having alternate sexual identities/preferences, but I don't think a person is born that way. I do think you can influence someone's sexuality, and that it is learned (at least partially. Everything we do is a combination of our genetic, instinctive reaction and our learned one), but we don't understand it enough to force a person one way or the other.
Another's sexuality doesn't concern me at all, and I believe you should be free to do what you want, but I think the explanation that a person is born with their sexuality is just a poor argument for cultural acceptance of alternative sexualities.
Hank always does such a great job!
Argentina, obvio que somos los más sexys :3
+Mili Klimis y los españoles, jeje
+Mili Klimis Yay! I actually understood that. Which means I'm making progress in learning Spanish.
Prince Asim I'm glad for you :) Suerte, el español es un idioma genial y los países que lo hablan son hermosos y riquísimos en cultura ^^
Mili Klimis I pretty much only got the gist of that.
"I disagree with either the theory of evolution or that sexuality could possibly be a genetic trait! Therefore I will close my mind to this topic and not show any interest in learning!" -What I take from a lot of these comments.
Wow Hank you sure turbulated these commentators with this subject. Keep up the good work.
Hi everybody, Derek here and I'm gonna tell you something that is really important for you to know!
(crowd waits, excited)
I am an human! Yes, unique, uh? In fact, we are differencied by our capability of using our brains to think of things deeply into things, like reading between lines, getting the second meaning of a joke, and other things like that. We are not the only smart animal on the planet, we are not the only ones to have fun while reproducing, we are not the only ones to have emotions. Thinking of elephants, dolphins and apes. But what does being human means? (Thinking music)
Well, nobody really knows. I know everybody tells you this, but there is no such thing as ''normal'' human. We all have differences that makes us a beautiful species, other than using our brain like no other. Albinism and Melanism both exists, but we are more than just that. We are all different, in another way that other animals.The problem is: our brain isn't only good for us. It provides things as differences rejecting, religion (sorry im atheist but im trying to say that religions all differ from each other and create wars and other things, not saying that religion itself is a bad thing) or other things (I know i keep saying ''other'' and ''things'' xD) that conducts to a person's bad situation. We, humans, created our own social rules, and we even thought about what does it need to be a boy and what it needs to be a girl. To be a boy, you have to have muscles, to love sport, to think about sex every 20 seconds (im exaggerating), to be bad at school, and to skate (when talking of teenages). If you're not doing any of these things (like me --') then you're not being socially accepted as a ''normal'' boy.
But the main question is: why is there males or females that love the same gender???
Some people insist they are unnatural. Lies. If something is not ''natural'', it dies or just don't exist.Nature isn't testing random genes to do something
''not good for humanity''. The truth is something way more important than statistics or religion or social rules. It's something that I said just when you started to read this comment.
Derek Sheedy Perfect.
Zachary Brown
thanks ^^