In hawkmoon lore i think it was Savathun's thought. I think it makes sense. "I am reminded of my sisters" and "I am reminded of my father's face. I am reminded everyone i betrayed. All the blood spilled in the name of immortality" quotes reminded me of books of sorrow.
@@guywiesel2380 The first quote is what Uldren says before we and Petra kill him. The second quote is when we're hunting the High Celebrant and it traps The Crow on the ascendant realm so he sends that message thinking he was going to die.
@@BaghNakh1 and if you juxtapose both quotes with a recurring theme in Byf's video... "choice"... it's really cool. Almost as if Uldren didn't really have a choice but the Crow now does. And choice is mentioned frequently with the Traveler. Interesting threads to pull and story detail.
One way I see the Hawkmoon. In a way it feels like a gift of unconditional love from the Traveler. Where even as we are tainted with Darkness, still it reaches out to us and grants us this gift.
I think it's no coincidence that the Traveler is silent for centuries and suddenly started talking when we start taking part in the Darkness. The Traveler scared of losing us.
I don't know if its us they're afraid of losing. But rather our utility. It feels to me, like the Travel goes from system to system granting races power in an effort to fight off the ceaseless and always encroaching Darkness. This Traveler has gifted the Fallen and they failed, so it fled. Now they chase it using the power of darkness against it in an effort to reclaim the power. The Traveler needs us to win. It doesn't want us to fly away. So it's given us gifts to try to protect it, its seen its enemy drawing us away. It doesn't want to run again. Guardians have proven effective at, if nothing else, killing. If I were the Traveler I'd be doing everything I could to keep Guardians grounded.
Ok so I know I'm not the only one who thinks the lore tab is spoken by Savathun, but there's something I haven't seen many of the other comments mention: if I'm not mistaken, it was Savathun who orchestrated Uldren's death in the first place. I *think* she was the one who told Variks to pursue the Kell of Kells prophecy and start the prison riot, which let Uldren escape and eventually led to us killing him after he had served his purpose in her scheme. I don't wanna say she knew he'd be resurrected as a guardian, but I'm definitely sure that when she found out, she was hoping that our hatred for Uldren would lead us to ostrasize, fight with and potentially even kill Crow. Seeing us bonding with him despite what he did in his past life angers her, and honestly, I think that's the biggest glimmer of hope we've ever been given regarding her. We managed to surprise the most cunning and intelligent being in the universe, and if that's not a sign that we have a chance to defeat her, I don't know what is.
This is... very well written and really cool to think about. Honestly, I want Crow to be with us when we put her down once and for all. He deserves it, so does Mara, Cayde, Petra, and Variks. She screwed with ALL the Reef.
My money is her plan is that the vanguard fights itself over him once he gets unmasked. Her mo has always been to break up governments from within. Crow's identity being exposed will easily get zavala and ikora to disagree, let alone Osiris. Right now, us bringing him back and Osiris taking him as a protege and protecting his identity from the vanguard works perfectly for her plan. Need proof? Listen to Crows whistle, its all going according to plan.
Well more accurately Savathun along with Riven orchestrated Caydes death in order to have us help them curse the dreaming city, but Uldren was indeed a pawn in all of it one that was discarded the moment he played his part.
Byf’s lore videos are like a warm cup of tea in the morning and is conveyed in a smooth and calm voice because one time I tried listenIng to one of his videos where he was theorising things to come in the future with someone else I fell asleep by the time I got to the 15 minute mark.
I listen to the 2nd part of his lore video about the shadows of yor to make me fall asleep whilst being schooled as to how i should think....like playing 4 dimensional chess
that is a phenomenal simile to describe it. I'm gonna start using that now; a warm cup of tea in the morning. Reminds me of content, peaceful thoughts.
Lore videos are what i queue up for my sleep playlist I can't listen to them in the day unless I'm laying in bed casually relaxing to them. I can listen to them over and over on the nigh to sleep
I thought Savathun as well. I like how there's the tiniest sliver of regret beneath all the scheming and lust for power. Some quiet part that questions whether it was worth it.
I am pretty sure the being speaking in hawkmoons lore tab is Savathun as one of the few beings I can remember to have had sisters and betrayed people for immortality.
I mean It made sense in my head, but then again I thought the beginning of the ship’s lore tab was us and Crow... but hear me out. Crota was being prepared for the Hive’s next life in that one mission where we steal a bit of his essence. Maybe there is a “after-afterlife” for the Hive, and Oryx is watching us mess around with Crow. However the more likely option is Savathun.
savathun is talking, and that “feeling” is the light. notice how she didn’t say “i don’t want it” in the end. maybe she is going to use the light in the future.
I believe that feeling is just warmth, happiness or longing. She's now a being of cunning, the god of lies, she can't let herself get tangled up in feelings of her past life as Suthuna. This time I think the Traveler thwarted her plans, because at this point I think we can agree that Uldren being resurrected as Crow was part of her big plot. Then us welcoming Crow as a friend instead of shunning him and possibly making him more susceptible to being influenced by darkness was something Savathun didn't expect
@@Asturjgm your right though i think the feeling was alchohol smell since crow drank it with the other gaurdian as it says theyre poisoning themself for enjoyment
*I don't want to alarm anyone but during my patrols in the EDZ I keep sighing Saint-14 stalking Hawkmoon users, apparently he is not allowed his own Hawkmoon and is trying to steal other peoples.* *If you find yourself confronted, just give him the damn gun. I repeat. Do. Not. Resist*
I'm pretty sure it's Savathûn who's spending in the Hawkmoon lore tab. She references her time with her sisters when they were in exile, talking about betraying them all in pursuit of immortality, she's also the type to spy on others.
I mean, it could be the Bray sisters, but that's not really how Elsie or Ana talk. Plus, both of them are well aware of the feelings of happiness and camaraderie.
could it for whatever reason be oryx? if i remember correctly, he had sisters and was involved in a betrayal, and his home planet was an ocean planet, with the wave references. i know we “kill” him, but he’s just floating out in space who knows what could happen to him with the darkness and all
@@checkmate1860 Mara might outwardly sound indifferent and, as a result, might look she may find some emotions to be alien to her but that's not true. This lore tab is spoken in the perspective of someone whose emotional spectrum is stunted and Mara isn't in any way like that.
I mean who else has sisters and betrayed and slaughtered millions for immortality and watches everything? I'd be really surprised if it wasnt Savathuun
The mentions of sisters, betrayal, and immortality are pretty strong hints here, especially considering a theory I saw on how Savathun could be involved with Crow's resurrection. (Specifically, Cayde's vanguard dare, and a certain Ahamkara who just might have heard it, and heard in it a wish.)
@@wanderer2453 yeah that would be weird if it was Xivu, she shows no signs of remorse, and seems to wholeheartedly serve the Darkness. Also Savathuuns forces were the ones that were literally just watching us and Crow.
Honestly, the hawkmoon lore tab seems to be from the perspective of Savathun, watching us and Crow enjoying eachother after the Hawkmoon mission. She's seeing us being kind and bonding. Its reminding her of her past life in Fundument, before the worms, before the darkness and before her endless war began. When her and her sisters loved eachother.
I feel the hawkmoon lore tab perspective is most likely of darkness, either savatuthun or zivu arath, I doubt the darkess itself has any understanding of family.
Question: What 'family' or 'siblings' does the Darkness have? It's a paracausal force playing a cosmic game with the Light. The remaining sisters of Oryx makes more sense for options because they were a family and both have done much to attain immortality.
Hawkmoon is by far my favorite lore tab and probably line of story ever, it raps up the story of the season and sets a beautiful scene that almost feels like the rap up episode of an anime arc, just a beautiful peice of story💚
@@jimmyrittmann8208 Possible, but i feel the "Hive God of War" is not a creature for self-reflection. Plus, Savathun was the one in the controlling the taken in the mission, but mainly the reflection part.
I firmly believe the voice in the Hawkmoon lore tab is Savathun. Key give aways imo are the the bits about sisters, the sentence about their father, and blood spilled in the name of immortality.
@@tank_dempsey Elsie's been happy before (with her sisters, her grandmother, and her parents). Plus, Clovis II wasn't killed by her, but by her grandfather's experimentation.
@@jacobkern2060 okay but, savathuns father wasn’t killed by her either, and I don’t know where you took that from anyway because that’s not in the tab?
Hand cannons are the coolest, and always have been in the meta. Best lore, best names, best lore. Damn. Idk which my favorite is. Ace, Hawk, Word, Thorn? Shit. That’s hard.
The hawkmoon lore entry is told from the eyes of Savathun in the body of Osiris. We know this now from the Chrysura Melo entry, where in one event Savathun walks us through from her time impersonating Osiris and says that Crow, us, and her were drinking by a campfire. Is nothing sacred anymore
The Hawkmoon lore tab is Elsie Bray (The Stranger). the way she talks about remembering her sisters and her father, the blood spilt for immortality, and she also alludes to the fact that she is a machine wanting to feel the sun. I also feel it is her watching them because of her wondering what the feeling of "joy and comradery" I presume because you see this also in the dark future lore books when she wonders what this feeling is before the final fight with her sister and the others. it has to be elsie.
Chapter 9: The Return of The Dark Future lore book, the very last line reads: "No matter what I do, it always ends the same. Blood and betrayal. Then I'm back where I started. Right here." It has to be Elsie. And the feeling must be hope, or forgiveness.
The beginning sounds more like "The Veil" the light and darkness. To many terms that match with Strand. And the last part sounds like Savathun. Her feeling of having the light and her memories
It could be Oryx considering she is now a he. If the lore tab is current then it would be brother and sister if it was xivu or Savathune versus *sisters* in perspective of Oryx. Oryx also still lives through the exotic Touch of Malice from destiny 1.
@@tonriver1796 he isn't entirely dead, he lives in the weapon and since we lost it we could ask ourselves if he will be back. But he is definitely a he so. I just think Savathun or xivu are remembering the old days
I thought it was Savathun speaking that was watching the guardians around the fire celebrating. Another great video Byf. Keep up the awesome work and thanks.
I think who speaks in hawkmoon lore is oryx because he said he want to stay with hes killer or something like that and he said on the lore he remembers he's sisters and family and as I know oryx loves he's sister and family and he's said he remembers he's father face and in another lore oryx said the same thing as I know and in the lore he said he remembers the everyone he betrayed and as we know oryx betrayed i don't remember that creatures name but he betrayed tham to revive savathun and he said he remembers the blood spilled in the name of immortality and as we know oryx was killing to stay alive and he's the strongest one who uses the sword logic =kill a lot Or maybe I am over thinking
I personally think it's Savathun, seeing Crow and the Guardian interact has likely dredged up some memories that she would rather not dwell on (By virtue of suppressed regret).
Brother. You are our speaker. Destiny talks to you and you guide us with your wisdom. I got goosebumps several times during this video. Thank you very much for all you do byf 😭
On the subject of hawkmoon being made from the traveler, does the traveler taste like vanilla? Like it smells like vanilla, but if I were to lick it, would it taste like vanilla?
Loved this video (also thanks for letting me know there is more after just the initial Hawkmoon quest, now it's time to hunt down 100 feathers) As for the person who is talking in the Hawkmoon lore tab... It makes sense that it would be Mara Sov. She seems familiar with Crow but acknowledges that he is different. She knows he has a higher ranking and purpose than to be a guardian but does not know the mix of feelings she has; grief, frustration, longing, and quite possibly... Fear.
Fortunately Spider is a man of his word. We won Crow, so Spider gave him to us without any tricks up his sleeve. Spider knows that if he were to ever piss off a guardian, he would stand zero chance in a fight
In a dialogue Crow tells you that it was removed by a technician of the spider, he (the spider) is greedy and slimy, but he understands that if we get mad there is no safe place left
The voice in the hawkmoon lore is totally savathun or xivu, the references to immortality, blood spilt over betrail, their father was very important (having the worm), and the mention of sisters
The part around 12:31 reminds me of the Aeon Cult armor lore, which is all connected across all classes. Some words are surrounded by brackets and parentheses, which must be read twice for the text to make sense. It’s a very interesting way to list a cult doctrine
Another great piece, Byf. Well done. It certainly seems like Savathuun speaking in the end but I’m trying to think of other living weapons we’ve got that would feel this way. Can’t think of any. Maybe it’s Xivu Arath? Makes sense given her presence this season. Maybe each of the hive queens can see through acquired items?
The Hawkmoon lore is believed to be of Savathun, it seems to be at least by Oryx, Savathun, or Xivu Arath. I don't know if its possible that Oryx can still communicate, but its probably worth looking into.
I think the person talking in the Hawkmoon Lore is Elsie Bray. The mention or her sisters, the urgency to fight the darkness, and more importantly the mention of the blood spilled in the name of immortality. It all points to her back story of who she was before the collapse, her push for us to face the darkness, and the horrors she was semi complicit with in Clovis' mad chase for immortality.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Savathun speaking in the Hawkmoon lore book. The mention of her sisters (Xivu Arath and at one time, Oryx), their father, the ruler of Fundament, an ocean planet where she seemed to speak of lapping water at the shore. Also, the talk of blood spilled to achieve immortality (pact with the worm gods and their need for endless war). Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems pretty clear to me it was Savathun.
That voice in the campfire entry, I hope its Savathun, singular focus: the sword logic, complex vs simple and singular, sisters on lapping shores: the shores of the great Deep on Fundament, etc. It would be interesting to see Savathun taking an unexpected turn of heart
Kintsugi. The term "Tsugi" actually means to tie, but can easily be interpreted as repair as well. Kintsugi (keen-t-soo-g-ee) is the practice of repairing broken pottery with melted gold, showing that what was broken, is not worthless. A beautiful idea and practice
Looking back at newer lore, it's most likely Savathun watching through Osiris' eyes. Surely he'd be invited to this victory party with his prize acolyte.
Byf, the Characters in the lore card for hawkmoon are the crow, our guardian, and it's from the perspective of Savathun. The triumph over the taken that the crow and our guardian are celebrating is when we got hawkmoon. And it seems pretty obvious that it's from the perspective of Savathun with all the stuff about betrayal for immortality and stuff.
I feel like the one talking in the hawkmoon lore tab is savathun. Looking up at the stars and left wanting, remembering sisters and father, remembering the shores of fundament. It all would fit
It was pretty clear to me that it was Savathun's musings in the lore tab, especially given how she was talking about how none of this was the result she wanted, the futility of existence, the fact that she doesn't understand what happiness is, and the countless betrayals line.
Y'know, I've heard theories about it being Savathun that is in the hawkmoon lore tab, but I think it actually sounds kinda like Oryx. I don't know how he could, but after perishing to the light, maybe he is having a feeling of doubt in his life long pursuit of immortality.
As far as I can recall in the lore there are only two characters that would be speaking of sisters, immortality and blood spilled to gain it. Savathun and Elsie Bray. But, as far as I know, Elsie didn't betray anyone. I would have to say that all signs point to Savathun being the speaker, possibly watching Crow and the Guardian in her disguise as a part of the celebration. And the feeling is remorse, guilt and existential dread. In the last few years Savathun's entire universe has been uprooted and turned on it's head. Oryx and Crota defeated, the Traveler reborn, the Darkness kept at bay by these tiny, insignificant creatures who were all but completely destroyed by the time she arrived. Even for the most twisted and cunning mind in existence, these facts have to give you pause. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea, maybe the Darkness is weaker than she believes, maybe the Sword logic is flawed. I'm really hoping we get some deeper insight into Savathun's thought process in Witch Queen. Maybe this show of remorsefulness and contrition she's been putting on is just an act, a way to get closer to the Light and "infect our weaknesses" since they couldn't "defeat our strength." Maybe she's been using our good-will and naivete against us this whole time in order to take the Light and use it against us. All I can say for certain is, this is going to be... interesting.
The way I see it the hawkmoon lore tab is from the perspective of savathun, the references to blood spilled for immortality, and the memories of her sisters (remembering oryx was female during the times of the books of sorrow) lead me to believe this
As improbable as it sounds, I immediately thought of Oryx in the hawkmoon lore tab. Especially because it says they thought of their "sisters" plural. I think if it had been savathun, it would have said "siblings". And the line about looking up at the stars and feeling wonder, that tracks with Oryx and his curiosity about the universe and being the "navigator"
The person speaking in the Hawkmoon lore tab is Savathun. Notice how "Sword" is capitalized, implying the Sword Logic, and that there is a line about "I am reminded of my sisters", referring of course to Xi Ro and Aurash. Also she says here that a single simple thought would suffice, instead of a myriad of complex thoughts, i.e. Sword vs. Bomb.
Damn amazing production love it @byf I think the hawk moon lore tab might be one of the bray sisters Elsie? or savathuun the lore does fit all their back stories
Its Mara Sov, makes sense context wise the whole betrayal of others and immortality gives it away. The tone in general is like a sister seeing the unfamiliar but "pleasant" new Crow.
I believe the answer to your question at the end is Savathûn. She mentions the shores, which reminds me of Fundament. She also mentions her father. Of the three Osmium Sisters, she was closest to their father.
One detail I find interesting is the very start of Radiant Accipiter's Lore Tab, I think that bit about "Paracausal Chains" might be the Traveler/Gardener's counter to the Darkness/Winnower's beliefs about Power, essentially stating "You can play HIS game all you want (and you might even score a few points in the process) but you can never hope to win. The moment you play the Winnower's Flower Game he's won, and the only way to truly win against HIM is to turn the entire crux of the game on it's head."
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In hawkmoon lore i think it was Savathun's thought. I think it makes sense. "I am reminded of my sisters" and "I am reminded of my father's face. I am reminded everyone i betrayed. All the blood spilled in the name of immortality" quotes reminded me of books of sorrow.
I had the same thought. If it had said brother and mother I’d have said Mara Sov
I was thinking the exact same thing, glad I found your comment. I wonder what guardian he was with tho. Maybe the Cosmodrome vendor?
I Completely agree, my other theory is that it is the Exo stranger.
@@xecutioneralpha-2273 The Guardian he's with is us.
@@xecutioneralpha-2273 if you’re talking about the guardian crow is with, I would assume that to be us.
“Everything I did, I did for her”
“Everything I did, I did because I wanted to. Thank you. For giving me a choice.”
This is a really good observation...
Is it from this lore book? It sounds like a line from Steven universe
@@guywiesel2380 The first quote is what Uldren says before we and Petra kill him. The second quote is when we're hunting the High Celebrant and it traps The Crow on the ascendant realm so he sends that message thinking he was going to die.
@@BaghNakh1 and if you juxtapose both quotes with a recurring theme in Byf's video... "choice"... it's really cool. Almost as if Uldren didn't really have a choice but the Crow now does. And choice is mentioned frequently with the Traveler. Interesting threads to pull and story detail.
@@guywiesel2380 Final forsaken cutscene vs Coup de Grace mission dialogue
One way I see the Hawkmoon. In a way it feels like a gift of unconditional love from the Traveler. Where even as we are tainted with Darkness, still it reaches out to us and grants us this gift.
This can almost be proof that traveler wont propably abandon us
Nope. I got a feeling something bigger is happening here
I think it's no coincidence that the Traveler is silent for centuries and suddenly started talking when we start taking part in the Darkness. The Traveler scared of losing us.
I don't know if its us they're afraid of losing. But rather our utility. It feels to me, like the Travel goes from system to system granting races power in an effort to fight off the ceaseless and always encroaching Darkness. This Traveler has gifted the Fallen and they failed, so it fled. Now they chase it using the power of darkness against it in an effort to reclaim the power. The Traveler needs us to win. It doesn't want us to fly away. So it's given us gifts to try to protect it, its seen its enemy drawing us away. It doesn't want to run again. Guardians have proven effective at, if nothing else, killing. If I were the Traveler I'd be doing everything I could to keep Guardians grounded.
Yeah man, that's what I was getting at. I wasn't saying the Traveler was scared we wouldn't go out drinking with it.
Builds up paracausal shot. Aims. Misses while a hawk screams gloriously.... Cool
Paracausal shot x7, aim at a boss’ noggin and you miss
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@@itsjustjd9082 I hadn't even gotten to that part of the video before making the comment. Lol. That's perfect.
I had to re-watch that part because him missing distracted me from what he was saying lol.
God, that was a big Oof
Crow: “I’m an instrument of the Traveler’s will...I’m a Guar-“
AD: “-I UPGRADED MY SOAP!!!”
Yup i know the feeling
"I'm a guitar"
@@owenthetallguy 😆that should be funny but what ever🤣
TH-cam vanced
😂😂😂😂
The Chad Hawkmoon: D1
The virgin Hawkmoon: D1 (post nerf)
D2 Hawkmoon: Honkmoon.
Paracausal honk x6
@C I A Nah my aim sucks, times 7 doesn’t exist
@@trevordillon1921 my aim only sucks the moment I get x7...
Hawkmoon go SCREEEEEEEEE
C A C A W
Whoa, big space voice Byf got me blushing as I listen to this with headphones on.
Channeling his inner Barry White.
Man the best way to listen to Byf. I'm always doing the same ☺️
Splash....lol
Lore daddy byf
Lore: makes the Light or Darkness speak
Byf: activate thicc voice
Dummy thicc
Grow thicc from strength!
Darkness more like thiccness
breath thicc from strength
haha i love byf comments
Crow: “I’m an instrument of the travelers will..... I’m Batman..”
Guardian: “ ...wait? What?”
guardian "What's a batman?!"
Underrated comment XD
i wasnt wearing glasses when i read this and i misread "guardian" as "Gandalf", swear to god laughed soo much
Crowman
@@a.c.2650 "There are some who called me Uldrin. I... am Uldrin the white."
Ok so I know I'm not the only one who thinks the lore tab is spoken by Savathun, but there's something I haven't seen many of the other comments mention: if I'm not mistaken, it was Savathun who orchestrated Uldren's death in the first place. I *think* she was the one who told Variks to pursue the Kell of Kells prophecy and start the prison riot, which let Uldren escape and eventually led to us killing him after he had served his purpose in her scheme. I don't wanna say she knew he'd be resurrected as a guardian, but I'm definitely sure that when she found out, she was hoping that our hatred for Uldren would lead us to ostrasize, fight with and potentially even kill Crow. Seeing us bonding with him despite what he did in his past life angers her, and honestly, I think that's the biggest glimmer of hope we've ever been given regarding her. We managed to surprise the most cunning and intelligent being in the universe, and if that's not a sign that we have a chance to defeat her, I don't know what is.
See, now that makes sense
This is... very well written and really cool to think about. Honestly, I want Crow to be with us when we put her down once and for all. He deserves it, so does Mara, Cayde, Petra, and Variks. She screwed with ALL the Reef.
My money is her plan is that the vanguard fights itself over him once he gets unmasked. Her mo has always been to break up governments from within. Crow's identity being exposed will easily get zavala and ikora to disagree, let alone Osiris. Right now, us bringing him back and Osiris taking him as a protege and protecting his identity from the vanguard works perfectly for her plan.
Need proof? Listen to Crows whistle, its all going according to plan.
Well more accurately Savathun along with Riven orchestrated Caydes death in order to have us help them curse the dreaming city, but Uldren was indeed a pawn in all of it one that was discarded the moment he played his part.
@@Gwynbleidd_117 his part indeed being opening the way to the dreaming city
"In the dream, you are shaping coarse sand with your hands..."
Anakin: "Ew."
I hate sand.
R@@Duplicitousthoughtformentity
He was reborn in a broken nest, I can't wait to see him truly fly.
Godly comment
Thats pretty good
Poetic
I’ll dome that man again skurrrrAaaa
That's beautiful
Byf’s lore videos are like a warm cup of tea in the morning and is conveyed in a smooth and calm voice because one time I tried listenIng to one of his videos where he was theorising things to come in the future with someone else I fell asleep by the time I got to the 15 minute mark.
I listen to the 2nd part of his lore video about the shadows of yor to make me fall asleep whilst being schooled as to how i should think....like playing 4 dimensional chess
that is a phenomenal simile to describe it. I'm gonna start using that now; a warm cup of tea in the morning. Reminds me of content, peaceful thoughts.
Lore videos are what i queue up for my sleep playlist I can't listen to them in the day unless I'm laying in bed casually relaxing to them. I can listen to them over and over on the nigh to sleep
I feel like the hawk moon lore is from the perspective of savathûn watching them
I thought oryx. Only because of the line involving sisters and shores
@@Ender4498 don’t forget that Oryx was female when he was younger and was known Aurash
@@JadedMarigold That's wild. I forgot this. I thought oryx initially too.
YES
I thought Savathun as well. I like how there's the tiniest sliver of regret beneath all the scheming and lust for power. Some quiet part that questions whether it was worth it.
Petition for Byf to use the "Darkness voice" for a whole video
The Hawkmoon and the lore book from the Harbinger Mission is my favorite part of the season. It's so enjoyable!
I am pretty sure the being speaking in hawkmoons lore tab is Savathun as one of the few beings I can remember to have had sisters and betrayed people for immortality.
Bro same
Could be Xiva Rath aswell though
I was kinda thinking Elsie referring to her time with Clovis before being an exo, but I don’t think it fits 100%
Oh, I thought it was Oryx...
I mean It made sense in my head, but then again I thought the beginning of the ship’s lore tab was us and Crow... but hear me out. Crota was being prepared for the Hive’s next life in that one mission where we steal a bit of his essence. Maybe there is a “after-afterlife” for the Hive, and Oryx is watching us mess around with Crow. However the more likely option is Savathun.
As the warlocks of old.in destiny calls it and as I call it to this day.
"Space Magic"
savathun is talking, and that “feeling” is the light. notice how she didn’t say “i don’t want it” in the end. maybe she is going to use the light in the future.
I believe that feeling is just warmth, happiness or longing. She's now a being of cunning, the god of lies, she can't let herself get tangled up in feelings of her past life as Suthuna. This time I think the Traveler thwarted her plans, because at this point I think we can agree that Uldren being resurrected as Crow was part of her big plot. Then us welcoming Crow as a friend instead of shunning him and possibly making him more susceptible to being influenced by darkness was something Savathun didn't expect
@@Asturjgm your right though i think the feeling was alchohol smell since crow drank it with the other gaurdian as it says theyre poisoning themself for enjoyment
@@Asturjgm perhaps she could also be sad seeing as how she was reminded of everyone she betrayed
I wonder if she's going to break, I wonder what Eris is up to.
@@romulanphantom3376 eris rly scares me after the dark future pt2
*I don't want to alarm anyone but during my patrols in the EDZ I keep sighing Saint-14 stalking Hawkmoon users, apparently he is not allowed his own Hawkmoon and is trying to steal other peoples.*
*If you find yourself confronted, just give him the damn gun. I repeat. Do. Not. Resist*
Wtf?
You'll never take my god roll!
He can have one of my hip fire rolls.
Wait what?
I-I'll give him whatever he wants from me...
Story is the strongest part of the season. Love it. Hawkmoon is becoming one of my favourite exotics in gameplay too.
The other person referenced at the end is Vuvuzala, Zavala's long lost twin brother now reborn as a Guardian
I'm pretty sure it's Savathûn who's spending in the Hawkmoon lore tab. She references her time with her sisters when they were in exile, talking about betraying them all in pursuit of immortality, she's also the type to spy on others.
I think the voice in the hawkmoon tab is Savathun. The author uses the phrase “Sisters” and we only know one group of prominent sisters.
Two groups
Ana
Willa
And....
I mean, it could be the Bray sisters, but that's not really how Elsie or Ana talk. Plus, both of them are well aware of the feelings of happiness and camaraderie.
Mara Sov didn't have any blood sisters but many many many bond sisters. I think it's Mara
could it for whatever reason be oryx? if i remember correctly, he had sisters and was involved in a betrayal, and his home planet was an ocean planet, with the wave references. i know we “kill” him, but he’s just floating out in space who knows what could happen to him with the darkness and all
@@checkmate1860 Mara might outwardly sound indifferent and, as a result, might look she may find some emotions to be alien to her but that's not true. This lore tab is spoken in the perspective of someone whose emotional spectrum is stunted and Mara isn't in any way like that.
ANOTHER WEEKS BOYS AND ANOTHER TWA… I mean…
*most ambitious [azte]crossover....
I think it's heavily implied that the voice talking in the Hawkmoon tab is Savathûn
I mean who else has sisters and betrayed and slaughtered millions for immortality and watches everything? I'd be really surprised if it wasnt Savathuun
The mentions of sisters, betrayal, and immortality are pretty strong hints here, especially considering a theory I saw on how Savathun could be involved with Crow's resurrection. (Specifically, Cayde's vanguard dare, and a certain Ahamkara who just might have heard it, and heard in it a wish.)
@@seaturtleninjagaming4602 I've heard people say it was Xivu Arath, but she talks in all caps
The question really is: who could it be OTHER than Savathûn?
@@wanderer2453 yeah that would be weird if it was Xivu, she shows no signs of remorse, and seems to wholeheartedly serve the Darkness. Also Savathuuns forces were the ones that were literally just watching us and Crow.
Honestly, the hawkmoon lore tab seems to be from the perspective of Savathun, watching us and Crow enjoying eachother after the Hawkmoon mission. She's seeing us being kind and bonding. Its reminding her of her past life in Fundument, before the worms, before the darkness and before her endless war began. When her and her sisters loved eachother.
The shores, the mention of a father, the capitol S in "Sword" - I'd put money on it being Savathun that's watching Crow and the Guardian.
I feel the hawkmoon lore tab perspective is most likely of darkness, either savatuthun or zivu arath, I doubt the darkess itself has any understanding of family.
Question: What 'family' or 'siblings' does the Darkness have? It's a paracausal force playing a cosmic game with the Light. The remaining sisters of Oryx makes more sense for options because they were a family and both have done much to attain immortality.
**Hawk noises intensify**
Hawkmoon is by far my favorite lore tab and probably line of story ever, it raps up the story of the season and sets a beautiful scene that almost feels like the rap up episode of an anime arc, just a beautiful peice of story💚
The voice in Hawkmoons lore tab is undoubtedly Savathun. All the references to said narrators past is quite blatant.
And it's similar to the lore card for the Traveler's Chosen Exotic.
It’s not her but rather her sister
I think it could be either one of the two remaining Hive god sisters, more so Savathun since she has been spying on us alot as of late.
I feel like its Savathun shes mentioned her sisters and we know oryx was a sister before turning to who he is then
@@robertbean6508 Savathun was the one blocking the darkness’s messages to us so its safe to assume shes doing the same with the light
The way the lore tab is read, it sounds like Savathûn
Sisters, betrayal, distain for emotions; Yeah I think so too
What about Xivu Arath?
@@jimmyrittmann8208 Possible, but i feel the "Hive God of War" is not a creature for self-reflection. Plus, Savathun was the one in the controlling the taken in the mission, but mainly the reflection part.
Also since Savathun had her fathers worm, she was the one that encouraged aurash and xi ro to dive into the depths
"Like this Light" 🤣 thank you, editor, that was amazing.
I firmly believe the voice in the Hawkmoon lore tab is Savathun. Key give aways imo are the the bits about sisters, the sentence about their father, and blood spilled in the name of immortality.
*elsie bray has entered the chat*
@@tank_dempsey Elsie's been happy before (with her sisters, her grandmother, and her parents). Plus, Clovis II wasn't killed by her, but by her grandfather's experimentation.
@@jacobkern2060 okay but, savathuns father wasn’t killed by her either, and I don’t know where you took that from anyway because that’s not in the tab?
Hand cannons are the coolest, and always have been in the meta. Best lore, best names, best lore. Damn. Idk which my favorite is. Ace, Hawk, Word, Thorn? Shit. That’s hard.
Savathun as Osiris is speaking in the lore tab I think
I love it when you play Tranquility in the background. Favorite destiny 1 ost.
Lore Daddy blessed us with knowledge once again 🙏
Looking back on this now, the hawkmoon lore was definitely Savathun as Osiris. Wow, to think they hinted at it all along
Finally! Been waiting for this since the quest came out!
The hawkmoon lore entry is told from the eyes of Savathun in the body of Osiris. We know this now from the Chrysura Melo entry, where in one event Savathun walks us through from her time impersonating Osiris and says that Crow, us, and her were drinking by a campfire. Is nothing sacred anymore
The Hawkmoon lore tab is Elsie Bray (The Stranger). the way she talks about remembering her sisters and her father, the blood spilt for immortality, and she also alludes to the fact that she is a machine wanting to feel the sun. I also feel it is her watching them because of her wondering what the feeling of "joy and comradery" I presume because you see this also in the dark future lore books when she wonders what this feeling is before the final fight with her sister and the others. it has to be elsie.
Chapter 9: The Return of The Dark Future lore book, the very last line reads:
"No matter what I do, it always ends the same. Blood and betrayal. Then I'm back where I started. Right here."
It has to be Elsie.
And the feeling must be hope, or forgiveness.
I really love Byf's use of audio filters lately. It adds so much atmosphere.
Was wondering when you would do this one.
I wish these were available as a podcast on Spotify so I could listen with my headset on while I'm playing Destiny
It'd make the school run more interesting
I’ve been waiting for this video for so long!
Crow is hands down my favorite Destiny character, not least because he’s so sweet to us. He really wants our approval and acceptance.
Me hearing Byf's voice go even deeper
"uhh deeper lore daddy..."
Thanks, I hate it
@@cinnabar_i_iv_mmv6429 Thanks, I love it
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@@anomalouscheez4062 wat?
Jesus cas.....
I REALLY love the echo effect Byf adds to the Traveler's/Darkness's words
41:52 immortality, father,sisters,betrayal, bloodsplit bro its savathun 100% it can't be anyone else man she is feeling lonely STRANGE
Or Xivu Arath.
You don't think there's a chance it could be the Exo Stranger/Elsie Bray? All of those things relate to her story as well.
@@AristophMarloque i think grammaticaly she would talk differently. The dialogue seems inhuman
@@tonriver1796would agree but betrayal hell no you can re watch byf's book of sorrows series
@@AristophMarloque no elsie feels happy with ana now did you do the second stasis aspect quest
The beginning sounds more like "The Veil" the light and darkness. To many terms that match with Strand. And the last part sounds like Savathun. Her feeling of having the light and her memories
Its kinda obviously savathûn with the talks of her past, her sisters, the overlapping seas, the stars
Watch there be a plot twist like" little do you know it was Shaxx"
I love the lore tab for both hawkmoon and the ship. Especially the ship.
byf's sword looks like a lightsaber
The Hawkmoon lore tab is one of my favorites ever. Pissing off Savathun with the power of friendship!
I’m split on one of the two Hive gods. Rather Savathun or Xivu Arath
I was gonna say there is no way this isn’t one of the three sisters of the osmium court
@@hitori_9148 there are only 3 sister we know from the lore that important it got be one of them
It could be Oryx considering she is now a he. If the lore tab is current then it would be brother and sister if it was xivu or Savathune versus *sisters* in perspective of Oryx. Oryx also still lives through the exotic Touch of Malice from destiny 1.
@@In3xorable7125 oryx was original female before ingesting the hive worms, and Oryx is super dead.
@@tonriver1796 he isn't entirely dead, he lives in the weapon and since we lost it we could ask ourselves if he will be back. But he is definitely a he so. I just think Savathun or xivu are remembering the old days
Byf’s voice gives me the happy. Great voice, PERFECT for lore videos ngl. It’s calming and I love it!!!
I love your vids their always so good and the lore of the game that you tell is amazing!
I thought it was Savathun speaking that was watching the guardians around the fire celebrating. Another great video Byf. Keep up the awesome work and thanks.
I think who speaks in hawkmoon lore is oryx
because he said he want to stay with hes killer or something like that and he said on the lore he remembers he's sisters and family and as I know oryx loves he's sister and family and he's said he remembers he's father face and in another lore oryx said the same thing as I know and in the lore he said he remembers the everyone he betrayed and as we know oryx betrayed i don't remember that creatures name but he betrayed tham to revive savathun and he said he remembers the blood spilled in the name of immortality and as we know oryx was killing to stay alive and he's the strongest one who uses the sword logic =kill a lot
Or maybe I am over thinking
I personally think it's Savathun, seeing Crow and the Guardian interact has likely dredged up some memories that she would rather not dwell on (By virtue of suppressed regret).
Change my mind its savathun I heard crow sings savathun song in the helm
Oh the one talking in the Hawkmoon tab is totally Savathun and i love it
Holy, Crow out here tryna make everyone cry nd shit O.o
Hearing Byf speaking in the Traveler and the Darkness’s perspective, it’s like I’m hearing two people in one body I can’t make head or tail of.
I call it Moonhawk and my friends hate me for it
Brother. You are our speaker. Destiny talks to you and you guide us with your wisdom.
I got goosebumps several times during this video. Thank you very much for all you do byf 😭
On the subject of hawkmoon being made from the traveler, does the traveler taste like vanilla? Like it smells like vanilla, but if I were to lick it, would it taste like vanilla?
Only in D1 vanilla
holy shit, you were completely right here: this was Savathun, looking at us and Crow through the eyes of the possessed Osiris.
I honestly like this new uldr- I mean "crow" less of an ass towards me
Ironic how the greatest detractor of the traveller (among our allays) became his greatest advocate in this time of crisis.
Crow is essentially pre-Black Garden Uldren in the terms of personality.
Loved this video (also thanks for letting me know there is more after just the initial Hawkmoon quest, now it's time to hunt down 100 feathers)
As for the person who is talking in the Hawkmoon lore tab... It makes sense that it would be Mara Sov. She seems familiar with Crow but acknowledges that he is different. She knows he has a higher ranking and purpose than to be a guardian but does not know the mix of feelings she has; grief, frustration, longing, and quite possibly... Fear.
Wait wasn’t there a bomb on glint that the spider would have used
Fortunately Spider is a man of his word. We won Crow, so Spider gave him to us without any tricks up his sleeve. Spider knows that if he were to ever piss off a guardian, he would stand zero chance in a fight
In a dialogue Crow tells you that it was removed by a technician of the spider, he (the spider) is greedy and slimy, but he understands that if we get mad there is no safe place left
The voice in the hawkmoon lore is totally savathun or xivu, the references to immortality, blood spilt over betrail, their father was very important (having the worm), and the mention of sisters
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The part around 12:31 reminds me of the Aeon Cult armor lore, which is all connected across all classes. Some words are surrounded by brackets and parentheses, which must be read twice for the text to make sense. It’s a very interesting way to list a cult doctrine
Another great piece, Byf. Well done. It certainly seems like Savathuun speaking in the end but I’m trying to think of other living weapons we’ve got that would feel this way. Can’t think of any. Maybe it’s Xivu Arath? Makes sense given her presence this season. Maybe each of the hive queens can see through acquired items?
Once again... absolutely brilliant writing. And excellent interpretation from Byf
28:01 nice to see ya used lumina for this mission too! 🤍⚡️🌟💛its my canon cannon
The Hawkmoon lore is believed to be of Savathun, it seems to be at least by Oryx, Savathun, or Xivu Arath. I don't know if its possible that Oryx can still communicate, but its probably worth looking into.
I can’t wait for the crow vid! Amazing work as always Byf
Trying to fall asleep to the velvet fog and Hulu ad shakes me from my between awake and sleep
I think the person talking in the Hawkmoon Lore is Elsie Bray. The mention or her sisters, the urgency to fight the darkness, and more importantly the mention of the blood spilled in the name of immortality. It all points to her back story of who she was before the collapse, her push for us to face the darkness, and the horrors she was semi complicit with in Clovis' mad chase for immortality.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was Savathun speaking in the Hawkmoon lore book. The mention of her sisters (Xivu Arath and at one time, Oryx), their father, the ruler of Fundament, an ocean planet where she seemed to speak of lapping water at the shore. Also, the talk of blood spilled to achieve immortality (pact with the worm gods and their need for endless war). Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems pretty clear to me it was Savathun.
That voice in the campfire entry, I hope its Savathun, singular focus: the sword logic, complex vs simple and singular, sisters on lapping shores: the shores of the great Deep on Fundament, etc. It would be interesting to see Savathun taking an unexpected turn of heart
Kintsugi. The term "Tsugi" actually means to tie, but can easily be interpreted as repair as well. Kintsugi (keen-t-soo-g-ee) is the practice of repairing broken pottery with melted gold, showing that what was broken, is not worthless. A beautiful idea and practice
Looking back at newer lore, it's most likely Savathun watching through Osiris' eyes. Surely he'd be invited to this victory party with his prize acolyte.
This is a great observation
Osiris is also good friends with us the guardian so why wouldn't he be there and to see how things are going
The way the description reads, It sounds like Clovis, but that’s just a stab in the dark
Byf, the Characters in the lore card for hawkmoon are the crow, our guardian, and it's from the perspective of Savathun. The triumph over the taken that the crow and our guardian are celebrating is when we got hawkmoon. And it seems pretty obvious that it's from the perspective of Savathun with all the stuff about betrayal for immortality and stuff.
I feel like the one talking in the hawkmoon lore tab is savathun. Looking up at the stars and left wanting, remembering sisters and father, remembering the shores of fundament. It all would fit
It was pretty clear to me that it was Savathun's musings in the lore tab, especially given how she was talking about how none of this was the result she wanted, the futility of existence, the fact that she doesn't understand what happiness is, and the countless betrayals line.
Y'know, I've heard theories about it being Savathun that is in the hawkmoon lore tab, but I think it actually sounds kinda like Oryx. I don't know how he could, but after perishing to the light, maybe he is having a feeling of doubt in his life long pursuit of immortality.
As far as I can recall in the lore there are only two characters that would be speaking of sisters, immortality and blood spilled to gain it. Savathun and Elsie Bray. But, as far as I know, Elsie didn't betray anyone. I would have to say that all signs point to Savathun being the speaker, possibly watching Crow and the Guardian in her disguise as a part of the celebration. And the feeling is remorse, guilt and existential dread. In the last few years Savathun's entire universe has been uprooted and turned on it's head. Oryx and Crota defeated, the Traveler reborn, the Darkness kept at bay by these tiny, insignificant creatures who were all but completely destroyed by the time she arrived. Even for the most twisted and cunning mind in existence, these facts have to give you pause. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea, maybe the Darkness is weaker than she believes, maybe the Sword logic is flawed.
I'm really hoping we get some deeper insight into Savathun's thought process in Witch Queen. Maybe this show of remorsefulness and contrition she's been putting on is just an act, a way to get closer to the Light and "infect our weaknesses" since they couldn't "defeat our strength." Maybe she's been using our good-will and naivete against us this whole time in order to take the Light and use it against us. All I can say for certain is, this is going to be... interesting.
The way I see it the hawkmoon lore tab is from the perspective of savathun, the references to blood spilled for immortality, and the memories of her sisters (remembering oryx was female during the times of the books of sorrow) lead me to believe this
As improbable as it sounds, I immediately thought of Oryx in the hawkmoon lore tab. Especially because it says they thought of their "sisters" plural. I think if it had been savathun, it would have said "siblings". And the line about looking up at the stars and feeling wonder, that tracks with Oryx and his curiosity about the universe and being the "navigator"
The Hawkmoon flavor text came off to me as Savathun. Seems to make the most sense given the last couple seasons with her involvement
The person speaking in the Hawkmoon lore tab is Savathun. Notice how "Sword" is capitalized, implying the Sword Logic, and that there is a line about "I am reminded of my sisters", referring of course to Xi Ro and Aurash. Also she says here that a single simple thought would suffice, instead of a myriad of complex thoughts, i.e. Sword vs. Bomb.
Honestly, I think it’s Savathun or Xiva Arath. The bit about sisters really stuck with me. So that’s my pick. Great video as always byf
Damn amazing production love it @byf
I think the hawk moon lore tab might be one of the bray sisters Elsie? or savathuun the lore does fit all their back stories
Its Mara Sov, makes sense context wise the whole betrayal of others and immortality gives it away. The tone in general is like a sister seeing the unfamiliar but "pleasant" new Crow.
I believe the answer to your question at the end is Savathûn. She mentions the shores, which reminds me of Fundament. She also mentions her father. Of the three Osmium Sisters, she was closest to their father.
One detail I find interesting is the very start of Radiant Accipiter's Lore Tab, I think that bit about "Paracausal Chains" might be the Traveler/Gardener's counter to the Darkness/Winnower's beliefs about Power, essentially stating "You can play HIS game all you want (and you might even score a few points in the process) but you can never hope to win. The moment you play the Winnower's Flower Game he's won, and the only way to truly win against HIM is to turn the entire crux of the game on it's head."