DYNO | Ducati Panigale V4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2018
- It was pissing down when we collected the Ducati Panigale V4S, so hotfooted it straight to JHS Racing and stuck it on the dyno. Direct comparison with Aprilia RSV4 included. Ducati claim 215bhp at the crank. What does this mean at the rear wheel?
NOTE: we followed the Ducati factory's instructions and dyno'd with the tank off.
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why would the fuel tank need to be removed?!?
By shifting the fuel tank further back under the seat, the battery and ECU (and everything else) sits at the front where the fuel normally is. With the V4, there's no way of simply lifting the front of the tank to get a dyno connection like you can with conventional bikes. Small price to pay for exquisite performance
I think they just Staged it. Lol
44Teeth Thank you for the clarification. =)
To get to the battery and ecu. The first few times you do it is a real ball ache but you soon become accustomed to it.
i think you weren't listening to the video
I appreciate the inclusion of James in your videos. Him being a mechanic adds a sense of information, trust, and practicality to your videos that is lacking other outlets. Keep it up, bic bois! I'm always on the look out for your content. Go Team Ninja!
One thing I've noticed watching a variety of dyno runs is that the room for error is massive. The difference between some machines, locations etc.. have huge impact. A properly run in bike, with warm tires and plenty, cold intake air would probably be closer to what MCN ran it in at. This comment section is 40% Ducati fanboys being blown away and 40% Ducati haters finding every nitpicking reason to hate it. If you don't like the bike, don't buy it, if you think it's overpriced, don't buy it. What Ducati has objectively managed to do here is make a very powerful v4, with a wet weight of approximately 15kg less than a lot of it's 4 cylinder competitors and (if we listen to early track reviews) vastly superior handling than it's 2 cylinder predecessor. The thing is you can't go wrong buying a flagship sports bike in 2018, they're all brilliant. So stop bashing everyone's opinions just because they don't match yours. Everyone has their own motivations for buying a specific bike, so be happy for them that they did, instead of filling each comment section with unjust cynicism.
Exactly. Infact I am cutting and pasting a comment I made on the Ducati form I belong to here.
I for one, am glad to see 44teeth bring people back down to reality about the V4. This was an honest dyno run with real talk and not a bunch of hype. Just strap it up and go right to the chart. Should people be disappointed in the numbers? Hell no! This bike is in its first year with load of potential. And everyone remember. The true use of a dyno is to help tune a bike. The V4 could make 188HP but after tuning it may make 202HP. My point being that dynos have way to many variables to be the judge of how much HP a single bikes in comparison to other bikes. To make proper comparisons you need to use the same dyno on the same day with a room that temp and humid are controlled very tightly and to insure parity..
xbladerunner preach my brother
This is no place for sound logic and reason, sir. This is the youtube comments section.
What are those two things you speak of?
RoadRunner says the aprilia owner hahaba🤣
”But you’ll have to put fuel stopper in it...” He’s hilarious 😂👍🏻
James, the real hero of 44 teeth.
yep...agreed
Yep yep. But, good lord, he looks scary in the thumbnail!
hahahahahahah 'Or drill a hole in the tank.... but ya fuel is gonna leak out " Goddamnit James gets me every time
Love these little visits to JHS. I wish had a similar workshop where I live, it would make it a breeze to tune my SV.
Nice to see someone not yanking the throttle open on the dyno, but instead gradually raising the revs to max and treating this amazing machine with respect. No sure why you used the clutch when changing down as the bike has a blipper for down shifting. Great video👍
This is one of the most accurate dyno test i have seen on panigale v4 much more calibrated and real
Bit of Faff to do the dyno eh? but great to see, and listen too yours and James thoughts on the bike
James is a absolute legend, could have a channel all of his own. More content at JHS please 👍🏻😀
Love the more tech type vids. JHS what a shop. 44 another quality vid
James needs his own channel. He's great.
Excellent video, impartial (and fun) dyno, now we know that Ducati has delivered the cookies. In other words, what a beast!! Hope you are planning a street review, that would be very interesting to see how it handles in real life situations or is only a track toy. Salud!
44Teeth. Big fan of your over here in the Americas. I am glad to see some honest dyno talk for a change. I would be very interested if you could overlay the 1299s and the V4S dyno numbers. I think it would be interesting to see how the V4 and the Vtwin put down their power respectfully.
Looking forward to seeing what the V4R puts down!!!
Not disappointed with those numbers one bit. Can't wait to see this baby at my local Ducati dealership here in the states
This is the first time i saw someone standing on the pegs while doing dyno 😆
Must have thought it was a GS
Beautiful!
44 Teeth how much is the Bmw on the same dyno ? 15 percent from wheel
to cranck is a lot, normally it s a 10 per cent plus another 1 percent for the counterrotating crank
Best channel on TH-cam!
Love the vids at JHS... James has got some good bants 👌
I just want one so bad, what a beast
JEALOUS!!! Where did you guys get one of them anyhow to dyno? I noticed a license plate, who's is it? Great commentary, keep them coming
When will see someone explain the dyno procedure? Is it max rev in each gear, is it the run down that's measured? What was john doing with the remote box?
You start down low in the RPM of whatever gear you deem best and record all the way til redline. Usually it's the gear closest to a 1:1 ratio but I've seen this bike dyno'd in 4th and here in 6th. The remote in his hand is just a way to start/stop the recording process. The bike is obviously building power as you run up through the rev so that is what is recorded, not the run down.
Sometimes you'll see them quick shift around and accelerate/decelerate and even run out each gear. That's mostly just to get some heat in the tire so it is less likely to slip if you're not sitting on it or have it strapped down tight enough. Everyone has their own procedures but the general idea is the same. Find the gear, record the run, tune a/f accordingly and repeat.
Music to my ears 👌🏼👌🏼
The 2017 Fireblade SP has a lithium ion battery as standard.
Wonder if Ducati will different size displacement V4's. A V4 899 perhaps?
This guys the best mechanic I seen. Corse but he can be !!
as usual, AL is the man!
i have seen the bike dynode with the tank fitted and mark was sat on the bike .... also the blade sp has a lithium battery fitted oem... it was BSD dyno and MCN did the report
No thumbs down!!! I love it! I'd rather remove the tank than drilling a hole into it. lol. The Speciale will produce more POWA!
Yes on this dyno your numbers should be around 199 to 201. Just amazing for a N/A bike. Cheater motor regardless. Put me down for a V4R though. The real deal no excuse bike!!!
I’m a Ducati owner and love my bike but I agree they cheated not cool
Denis Kuro which ducati do you own??
xbladerunner no one is going to ever really "win" because they had 100cc more lol. But I get your point. Unless you're racing it doesn't matter I wish more manufacturers "cheated" to make better road bikes
I got a 1299 anniversario ... yeah I agree 100cc isn’t much, but when does it stop? Also it isn’t fair to compare it to the other motorcycles
What did you dyno GSXR1000R at, please? You guys should dyno everything and start making a database on your webpage, that would be really cool!
Nice video!!
Beautiful bike
Great video thanks for all the information. I think it would have been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno as well to really get an idea of how much more power it makes over the other liter bikes. Still a bit disappointing in my opinion considering it’s got an extra 103 cc. It does save 20 to 30 lbs of weight over the Aprilia so that’s a plus at least. Haha
Jaret Campisi you have anderstand why Ducati Build a 1100ccm?This 103 ccm more as you can see on the Curve compair with a RSV4 is in every RPM better on Ducati.103ccm more are not only gonna use for the Top End Power reather for a good Power in every rpm.and for shure each 15000km Service is not Bad for a Bike with this Power.the V4 1100ccm are Build for 80%of Rider wich using that Bike on Street and eaven Trackdays and on Street you dont wont to bee all Time over 8000rpm to feel the Power.In my Opinion Ducati has Make a good step,for most of People a 1103ccm and for absolutlley Crazy Guys wich has somme Skills a V4 R this Bike will be presenting this Year.The v4r has 1000 ccm but the same Power on the Top End like the 1103ccm maybe more but eaven more RPM and in the Midrange less Power than the 1103ccm.Dont wory this is only the begining of this what thatEngine can put out on Power.Dont forget Ducati still the World Record holder of the most Powerfull v2 Engine and bigest Pistons ever made for a Street Bike .And i think nobody try to overpased that because Ducati push the v2 on the Limit.And The Desmosedici GP wich is similar with the V4 Engine is the most Powerfull Engine in the GP😎
aw c'mon Jared, you yourself said in your statement "been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno" - I'll add, on this particular day, back-to-back-to-back, is truly the only comparison. Can't be disappointed until an apples-to-apples is done. Just because the RSV4 did 181, say Dec 12, 2017, doesn't mean that this bike wouldn't have made (hypothetically), 195+ HP. But you get the point.
Yeah I definitely understand the difference between weather conditions, how the dyno is tuned etc BUT I was still hoping for high 190's or low 200's just for fun :)
Jaret Campisi why does everyone expect a higher reading. Ducati claims 214hp. We know there is going to be at least 10-12% going to the wheel.
Well MCN had 198 to the wheel and I've seen other reports over over 200 so I was hoping to see numbers close to that on a consistent basis thats all :)
Id like to see the stats side by side with the Panigale 1299 FE or Anniversario even.
It's pretty good. Keep on the good works bro 😃😃👌👍
You guys are great! 👍😎🇺🇸
I’m probably wrong Bj/James... But doesn’t the 2017 Gsx-R 1000R that Bj’s had on Long Term demo have a lithium battery as Standard??
Note the manual does say 6th gear rev limits at 15,000rpm vs 14,500 for other gears. So yes, a bit different.
The 2017 fireblade sp1 came with lithium batt
SportbikerNZ, and also Panigale R with same battery..
Is the fourth gear limiting emissions related ala VW?
Expecting to see James in the Grand National with that riding stance!
Why do "we" have to remove the tank to put this beast on the dyno ? Can't understand... Someone explains ? Tnx.
James is the man! Every time you have him in a video I learn something. And lets be honest, dyno numbers aren't everything unless your a dyno queen. Its a tool and not a penis measuring machine.
Is this part of the break-in procedure?!
Do you have any dyno logs for s1krr on this same dyno??
The EBR 1190s came with lithium batteries from Shorai
Sick!
I was just glad to hear that motor at high revs.
Very nice, would we expect a full system to bump this to around 195? And how many miles has this one got on it, maybe expect a few more stallions once it’s fully run in?
Ben WoodHead yeah probably given the stock exhaust with cata it must restrict bunch of power
They claim another 11bhp so around 8bhp at a guess
What's the right way to calculate engine hp from the wheel hp: 188.7 / 0.85 or 188.7 * 1.15? It yields 222 or 217.
James the bristolian ledgend👌 hit him up with a plug where is his work shop located ? I've an old sv 650 finking of a 're jet kit maybe
How is it compared to your dyno test of s1000rr?
Akul Singh yes 8 hp less than the Duc on the wheel
strange, I saw two dino tests in V4 and the two stayed in the 201hps house on the wheel ...
Marcelo S every dyno is different
Very interesting to see the graph, similar curve to the Aprilia RSV4 but the extra 100CC makes the 3% to 4% (roughly) extra power (RSV4 about 182 on most Dyno), but as Fagan says its not just the power figure, forget its 'cheating' and has 10% more CC - the bikes electronics, light weight, super sharp handling make it so much more, I am not a Ducati fan I actually own an RSV4 (I have had 3 of them) but the Ducati V4 achieves immense drive and turns so easily it is something else, I really dont think they needed to add the extra 100CC - really isn't 1000CC fast enough for all of us, but they were hardly going to release a bike with same or less power than the competition - either way it is one hell of a bike, I want one !
I like to plan ahead, so before clicking on the thumbnail, I said to myself that I was going to hit the like button.
How does it complain to the newer 1199r? That to me is most comparable duc to duc. Also the r came with that battery
Does the V4 come with Marchesinis?
maybe a stupid question but does the seat sitting on the fairing like that produce a lot of squeaking sounds or vibrations
Pvk Jhilk the seat doesn't sit on any fairing.
James needs to be a regular. I could listen to him all day.
I really like this guy
I want one... It grew on me hard. The s1000rr is right there on it in power. but the Ducati v4 looks amazing.
You probably can get RPM from the OBD port
bit disappointing about the exhaust note, was expecting more of a v4 growl then a v twin vibe, though an aftermarket exhaust could release some hidden tones!
EBR 1190SX/RX comes standard with a lithium Iron Shorai battery since 2014.
Tuono 1100 factory ,save yourself a bundle ,do love the duke though I have monster 1200r now and although the think was scary quick I love the duke .
ON MCN Dyno they get 198 HP without removing the tank....¿?
188hp is bad? That's before any tune? I wish you pulled up the 1199 as well. I think it produces great power, especially when compared to the RSV4.
TOILET my 1199 reads 173bhp on a similar dyno
100cc more but, must be because of the counter rotating crank
"Or drill a hole in ya tank" Haa 😂 classic James
the Duck or the Rillaaaa which one is best on track...thats all I want to know.
I think on these bikes you can plug straight into the tyre valve
Love how the speedo just goes to dashes above 186. What gentlemen's agreement?
Weird that's where the battery on my 2014 speed triple was.
loved the sound T_T
I've seen this bike dyno'd on a couple of other video (everyone sat properly on the bike btw) and they produced just under 200bhp, I think MCM had one at 198bhp. So whats going on, different bikes produce different power or is the different dynos?
Nigel Metcalfe Different dynos. For a truly accurate idea you need multiple bikes to compare on the same day. Calibration matters a lot.
Cheers for the reply
they likely weren't pulling a tach signal. i actually forgot about that so thanks for the reminder. these 44T guys are doing it proper.
damn what a sound
Very interesting.. Other bike which has lithium battery stock are the KTM enduro range ;-) Also using James 15% calc my Super Duke makes 201 HP!! Well happy with that :-)
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My boys '18 CRF250 has lithium a standard
2017 Blade SP/SP2 was Lion and i believe the both the 2014 and 2017 Ducati SL's were fitted with Lion. none of these models being cheap of course.
I’m sure the 2017 Gsx-R 1000 has a Lithium Battery too tbh... But as BJ and James have worked on that bike a lot I could be wrong. There appears to be one in mine as standard though?
Just fucking love the sound that thing makes.
Seen plenty of Aprillas making over 80 fps of toque up to 83.
So am I correct that the 2008 Desmosedici made 200 hp at the crank and 10 years later with an extra 103 cc this one only makes 214. So a ten year old motorcycle makes more hp per cc than the new bike.
Emission regulations..?
so is the 188 rwhp? and the 217 from the crank?
Adam Cronahaw 217 at the crank 188 at the wheel
lithium ion battery: 2017 CBR1000rr SP + A Titanium Fuel Tank
You guys are making me reach for my wallet, then I realise I'm a tad short of £24k!
Where's that advertised 214 HP , 226HP for the S model? :/
I guess they left it at the crank xD.
Like literally every other gas powered motorcycle ever LOL
Ducati says the bike revs 500 rpm higher in 6th. So the dyno measured right.
Scary !!
Ducatis have been building V fours longer than aprilia, Desmosedici 2003 Aprilla rsv4 2009
The 188 is more realistic than the 198 claimed by MCN. Too bad they didn't make this bike a little more friendly to work on. But at the end of the day still a very powerful bike. 3 hp up on the 1299 but heavier and way down in torque. The improvements are in its flat engine power delivery
Before people start comparing dyno figures, I would strongly recommend watching this first:
th-cam.com/video/NkNfmW44zuA/w-d-xo.html
That is such a good video for how dyno's work. Also would have been good knowing how many miles the bike had done.
Would be quite cool if a bike dealer would publish a weekly (or monthly) dyno figures for a demo bike as its running in to see how (or even if) that makes a difference...
back to the bike... i'm currently trying to sell my liver to raise money for this bike, it has one careful owner and is already semi pickled...
MPI1000 Dyno v Dyno can always have a fair bit of difference good to know. But the numbers they are seeing is a lot less then what everyone else is seeing. Everyone else is the 198 - 202 range that I have seen.
Donovan Lewis yes MCN testing 198.2 for RSV 4 192 and the s1000 rr 191 but on the End is Ducati puts more Power of all on every Dyno on the End hir is a Number of close 189 HP.On a Dyno a new zxr 10 only 171 HP??One Qustion is for me why Dynos giving this various Number?
There are different types of Dynos and they all read different.
guys, compared to most Ducatis of old, you must remember the engine has now been rolled back SIGNIFICANTLY in the chassis (even relative to the Panigale). before this point, the plug wire on the front cylinder was likely the easier of the two to access, but now the front cylinder is wedged up between the frame rails almost like an I4, so those days are over. 44T's doing it right, the others...? not so much.
Love to get my bike to JHS
best dyno video yet( that iv seen) sexy as fcuk!!
well done👊✊👊✊✊💨
Cool bike, but wont be seeing one come past me on the bmw rr any sunday breakfast runs
This is the same bike MCN put on the dyno!!
MCN GOT 198HP AT WHEEL?
You should compare the dyno of 1299 to V4. 1299 produces a little more power from what I have seen.
The amount of rpm left before redline when the speedo went blank made me wonder what kind of top speed you could reach on this thing. 205mph maybe?
Legendary Valky I really doubt. Maybe 203-205
Mcn GPS tested 191 top speed
Aztec Warrior6969 I must have missed that. Do you remember which video it was?
Legendary Valky it's on MCN Instagram page actually it could for sure do 200 with different final drive
Sweet, thanks
Hmm, where have I seen that Ducati vs Aprilia V4 comparison before?'
Your educated in Ducati the air box was open you don't think the air fuel is off
Aztec Warrior6969 if the tank seals the air box, it's pulling air from the box periphery. Shouldn't be a problem unless the dyno fans are creating a pressure drop across the fuel tank underside.
I beg to differ about the ease of working on that bike as opposed to the Aprilia I have found at the Aprilia is very easy to work on. The weight of the Aprilia is quite comprable and one thing I would take a look at is how much does each bike cost I believe the Ducati is almost $10,000 more.
Also take a look at the warranty costs of each bike Aprilia has very low warranty rates it is often referred to as the Honda of Italian motorbikes