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FSD definitely has improved, not that long ago you would have had to "bleeped out" half what Jesse said during an FSD drive because it the car did something stupid. FSD's "C.P.M." (Curses Per Mile) had definitely improved.
Nice job guys. Challenging route. Especially enjoyed your commentary.
😂
I noticed watching commentary during fsd drives, we forget fsd is taking into account the back camera information. So it may be more or less aggressive in its takeoff onto a street, based on the traffic behind it.
We tend to watch the front and the sides, when turning onto a new street, only giving attention to behind the car when coming to a stop.
Fsd is always considering what’s happening behind the car. So while not unsafe, it may pull out/wait longer/ engage earlier than we would because it has more information about what is behind.
Going slower in a neighborhood than the posted sign seems to be from learned data. To illustrate, perhaps of the training data 65% or so of the data on a similar type street has fallen trash cans or kids playing or some other higher probability events, so fsd is more cautious on that road. How many Tesla cars have driven a road similar anywhere in the world and there are common occurrences to road types.
People are like, why’s it going so slow? You can tap the accelerator and it’ll speed up but it is actually being cautious by the data it was trained on.
Thanks for the great videos. Luv this channel.
I think the slowing is more a factor of visual distance. We should all be slowing down when the distance we can see is shorter. I learned this in defensive driving but rarely practice it.
This is one of the ways it will be safer than humans.
At least on 12.4 it's incredibly timid when it can't see around corners, even if there's people behind you. It also doesn't seem to start "looking" to turn until it's at the stop sign, and can blind itself by stopping behind a sign etc. I understand it in principle but not having cameras on the headlights seems like a missed opportunity for better vision, and maybe future version can get better at recognizing objects through brush/obstacles, but right now it's kinda scary having it turn at times.
As far as speed go I generally agree that the speeds are reasonable but you can really tell the timidness of speed when it loses far sight visibility. It's not fully consistent though and other times it whips around and on slow narrow 20mph roads it will get up to 30mph on sections with good visibility same as typical drivers, and seldom "goes 20".
Other time it refuses to even go the speed limit which on some sections isn't a big deal, but I notice this usually results in tailgating. I tend to have to keep the accelerator on for it to go a reasonable speed when someones behind me, but if no one is I'll just let it go whatever speed it wants.
It's good that there are a clear difference between the modes, because some people like assertive driving while others prefer chill.
Yesterday, I drove 90 miles with no interventions. I am now 6 days in a row of using FSD for all drives and no interventions. I love it.
Excellent drive! Keep these drives going!
For FSD, I'm looking forward to the ability to send your car anywhere - Discount Tire, Tesla Service, pick someone up, pick up groceries where the supermarket has those "pick up your stuff" spots, etc., then have it return when the service is complete/products are loaded.
On a different subject, I use the live camera view to see if your vehicle is still in the parking lot or is actually in the shop. Very handy.
The video I’ve been waiting for.
I wonder how long it will take Grock to Add Tour guide to the Ride in robo taxi?
I'd say with grok 3 and hardware ai5 so 1 or 2 years
ooh In Depths two days in a row, what a treat!
V12.5 is WAY better than 12.3 no doubt. I use and like it mostly on the highway. It's really nice to be able to relax a little compared to manual driving. I'll be taking a 400 mile trip later today, and hope to use FSD as much as possible.
@@alexp.6406 Most likely. There is at least one exception. It has always used the latest beta version on the stretch of highway between Elma and Olympia, in WA. It also has never been able to use NoA there. 12.3 has been crossing over the lane-lines a lot, and failing to deal with construction speed limits and blocked lanes. Hoping that will be fixed on 12.5.
@@alexp.6406 It worked really well during the day, and flat out sucked coming back in the dark, must have disengaged fifteen times in 200 miles, not keeping the lane, turning into construction cones, weird speeding up, and even some good ole phantom braking. Lots of notices that Auto -pilot was degraded, whatever that means.
...at least it no longer thought the Rt 15 signs were the speed limit.
I have just forwarded this episode of FSD to 12 significant other persons. I am truly impressed!
As a 65+ senior, my hope with each release is that it will compensate for my shortcomings as an aging driver ( i.e. continue independence).
This looks like fun. I can’t wait for my 2018 M3LR update.
Wow, nice drive on 12.5. Can't wait to get 12.5 in my MS. Tired of 12.3.6 waiting impatiently for 12.5.
Exactly! Same here.
I think the slowing down is just good driving whereas we tend to over drive our vision at times. I think the fact it goes well below the speed limit at times shows it’s genius. Feature not a bug.
Imagine if there were 4 people commentating on your own driving.
Really nice cruise that you allowed your Tesla to take you on. Much more intuitive and responsive.
Have you noticed that the hydraulic brakes are typically favored over re-gen breaking. I have disengaged many times over this issue and recorded complaints & bug reports. Reason is most of the time hydraulics are irrelevant and I don't want any break jobs in the future because of failing inspection. I drive FSD with shoes off in order to feel any unnecessary movement of the brake pedal. 99% of the time I'm using re-gen to smoothly bring my TM3 to a full stop.
The version seems to have solved that
Take that trip to Manhattan in NYC and really give that thing a test :)
Great video guys. I see a lot of excitement, and a lot of positive Wows. Quite a few interesting scenarios and surprising maneuvers. Nice editing out boring parts!
Amazing
As a long time sub, lover of this channel, Very Disappointed. You tested this in "Chill" Really? I have 12.3.6 for the last 2 months, now wanting the newest on my HW3, and you showcase this build on chill in rural....... absolutely no challenges. Go to Boston, and turn this on..................... Let's do some real product testing. So, it's chill, in rural roads my grandma can drive with one eye, and no reaction time. I test my 12.3 in Vancouver, BC, from North Shore in rush hour over the congested Lions Gate Bride, merging 4 to 1, then through downtown, with buses, cyclists, jaywalkers (that's fun), to endless pedestrians that won't' let you turn left until it's red. and you give us rural, no stress MA. Way to go guys. Keep reporting. Love the channel, but for the sake of a vid like this, drive to Boston
Please bring Stevon back on these drives.
Really good video. Very well edited down to key bits and good discussion that kept my interest all the way ❤
Awesome progress
“I’m ready to put it in whenever you are.” Hey, there!
Great editing and discussion
Hoping they release the Actual smart summon and Banish soon, that will be really nice
Now you, bro!
Great video! Are there other ways to stop it from accelerating so fast during a turn? I have it in chill mode. I still feel like my car takes a turn to fast. Are there other settings to adjust?
A please don’t spill my coffee mode perhaps?😊
How does it react to aggressive drivers ????
If you do it in the average mode, it will be hands free all the way 😊
You are judging it by human standards but if it has to be safer than a human it can’t just drive like a human
Humans drive safe except when they make mistakes. If it drives like a human but makes less mistakes it will be safer than a human.
That's true, but the first step for it to become truly autonomous is for it to become as good as a human. After reaching that, it will be about gathering statistical data showing proof of it being much safer than humans.
Can‘t wait to get this in Europe. Did I write that before? No matter, I might write it again😉
Thanks for sharing this experience!
@brock8752 what else dose it need to do to be better than a human. From what I see..it dose everything better..it just can't do some things...
@@kof4737 I’m talking about how thay want it to do human thing that would be less safe people need to think of it as a chauffeur not as if they were driving.
How do you guys only have 12.5? I think I am 3 versions ahead of that.
Tldr how many disengagements and interactions?
1 or 2 disengagements.
0:11 Nice 😏
We need Tesla vehicles to be able to talk and be able to have conversations with their humans. Hopefully Elon can patch things up with OpenAI so we can have ChatGPT integration with Tesla vehicles or maybe it will be done through Grok but so far ChatGPT has the best conversational AI.
"patch things up?"
I would prefer Grok with a sense of humour.🤔😃
You don't need Elon for this. Give llama 3.1 or another llm a nice system prompt and go on from there. Use your phone and connect it to the car.
drove a week no interventions but nags every .5 to .7 tenths of a mile. i watch your videos and it seems very few for the whole drive. is there a setting I'm missing?
While stopped, you can look away. You only need to keep your eyes on the road when moving, just like IRL.
interesting drive
The rise of the robot cars.
This on HW4 or HW3?
This is a really good drive. Really only a couple of edge cases it couldn't handle which is pretty much the dream. If Tesla had a way to recover remotely like Waymo does they could have had a way to release it this year.
They are probably planning to do something like that for the robotaxi platform I think.
You should try that "yield" again in chill to see if it does it slower...
Even when the AI is driving, the passenger should not crane his head forward and get in the way of the driver's FOV to the right.
The driver needs to be able to see if an intervention is going to be needed.👍🏽
But were they in chill?
Sorry This isn’t level 2 anymore
Does Tesla take liability for accidents when FSD is being used? If not, then it's still level 2.
@@TheSpartan3669 it’s level 2 in name only
@@l34m-t8i It isn't by all definitions except the one you just made up.
The Cops looking for the sidewalk thief bit is gold lmao😂
12.5 is old highway stack - should improve a lot soon!
What vehicle are they in?
hw4 MY is my guess
Is that hardware 3
They got level 2 wrong, level 2 is lane keeping and adaptive cruise control and a few more features. Its basically standard tesla drive assistants.
FSD is level 3, which still requires instant intervention.
Level 4 is where you can stop paying attention, but the car may ask you to take over at some point in the trip, so you must be an able driver. This is for strange/edge case instances.
Level 5 is the driver is no longer needed and can drive without the human. This is also the level where you can be driven home if you drunk.
The move from level 4 to 5 to probably be quick but level 3 to level 4 will be a long slog.
Wrong. Level 3 requires no attention, and the manufacturer will take responsibility for any fault for accidents caused during level 3 operation. FSD requires attention 100% of the time and Tesla doesn't take any liability at all.
@stillatwork
If they release fsd update with ability to reverse and change disengage controls to steering column stalk only, then lvl4 wouldn't take that long to achieve. Imo
Also, lvl4 to lvl5 is going to take the longest, as it's known as chasing the 9ns. Ie. .99999 etc. To a superlative driver competence. Ai. Car racing is going to be real fun sport to watch. Things are going to get a little weird in the near future. 😋
@yesno9592 I think you can reach a pseudo level 5, call it level 4.5, pretty easy with a starlink attached and a remote driver on standby. Not that I think Tesla will do that, but it's competition already has.
@@stillatwork
Sure. The voice assistant nn will have to be integrated into the car before lvl5 can be achieved. Something like grok, but as a fsd supervisor, take over the higher reasoning and human driver seated as the guide/captain of the vehicle, who is able to correct some of the problems via voice interventions.
Trivial thought, but watching this video, I couldn't help but wish Tesla offered a number of options to customize the sound and volume of the blinker "click."
9:03 Detour point to left
When Ben had to disengage to prevent the car from making a right into a "road closed", the car asks you to press the mic button and tell the FSD team why you disengaged. Why don't FSD drivers do this? Doesn't it help the FSD team improve FSD? I feel like no one is bothering to read the alerts that pop up on the screen.
It is really annoying these two people playing backseat driver the whole time. Forget "I would have done this or that". FSD will never drive the way YOU or anyone else would like it to drive. What matters is that it drives competently and safe.
🎉 Zac and Jesse, why did you leave out the number of times it wasn't as good as a human driver
Tesla FSD may get humans to use their friggin' turn signals.
Cool video guys. I think FSD handled some of those intersections better then I would have, especially if it was my first time on those roads. Looked like a good test for FSD because of those crazy intersections. I wonder how it compares to the "self driving" cars.
Jesse seemed to have fun on this but he was also not behind the wheel.
there’s nothing challenge about the road
When you engage 12.5, a note pops up on the screen that says, "Keep your hands on the wheel". So why does everyone using 12.5 NOT keep their hands on the wheel? Is it because they hear everyone saying "this version is hands-free"? But it's still Level 2, which is not hands-free. "Hands-free" only means that there are no more steering wheel nags.
Great drive. Is this version V12.5.3?
V12.5.1.3 is the latest available
What are ya... chicken???!!! 😂
How does FSD handle potholes?
Here's an idea - going forward, literally put a sign or a sticker on the screen that says chill in chill mode or average in average mode. That was you'll be in the same mode as the car. Sometimes you'd made chill decisions and aggressive decisions on the same drive, but the car is always in the mode you select, causing you to think "I'd have been more aggressive there" or "That was a bit too aggressive".
If a driver gets road rage, will the Tesla allow it
We're trying to make a machine drive like a human, but we suck at driving. We gamble all the time, with our lives and the lives of others. How do you program that???? For instance, you pass a pedestrian, you assume they won't step out in front of you, but... Overall, I thought that was great. That's good enough for me already. I guess I'll pony up when I configure my Cybertruck.
This video is outdated lol.. they have a new update which is a big change from 3 years ago, I'm surprised myself
Why put it on chill and then complain that it’s being overly cautious?
To give us here at home a true feel for it.🤔
When making a left where it's difficult for FSD to see to the right, it makes damn sure there are no cars coming from the left so if it turns left and a car comes from the right on top of it, it can dive into the oncoming traffic lane for a moment to avoid an accident. That's what I would do in that case.
Are you guys driving in a hardware four car or hardware three? None of you TH-camrs ever tell us what the heck you’re driving …are you getting early updates or is this just happening because you have a hardware four car … frustrated and about ready to cancel my fullself driving at the end of the month. An EXPENSIVE purchased 2022 Model Y owner with hardware three.
At 10:05, you guys sounded like a bunch of minions seeing something for the first time.
Trash bins still not showing up.
The turn signal staulk has five positions if you count the off position. Your pilot kept just tapping up and down on the first position which is three flashes only. Press all the way up or all the way down for left or right turn signals to stay on
If you drive in chill it's too cowardly to change lanes
My 2021 FSD model 3+ has just started riding the line and not centering perfectly like it has for a few years now ! I hear the drift bumps on the tires when it rides to the left and it even went off the pavement into the gravel on the right a couple times. I hope I get the new update soon and it correct this.
@JamieReneeVonTeez
Try recalibrating the cameras. Might help.
@@yesno9592 Oh really? Can I do that from the control panel?
@@JamieReneeVonTeez
I believe, it's a setting ycan access from the control panel. It Takes up to a hour to reset the calibration. There are some instructional videos on TH-cam if you search. Gl.
@@yesno9592 thank very much!!
Sound quality is terrible. :(
So at 11.28 you cut out an intervention at the stop sign? Why?
I'm impressed by how little traffic you have there. Here in Germany it would probably be 10 times as much.
I like 12.5. But it's only a baby step in time and transportation. The world of 2100 will have none of this. This will be like watching stage coaches from the 1850s in a western movie is now. A fun fantasy.
What we see in transportation now, including Tesla and FSD will be gone in 75 more years. Everything!
Lol, what will we have than.
so much construction, I think it did pretty darn well.
The easiest thing for FSD to compute is the dimensions of the car. Far easier than predicting human behavior in other cars.
I’ve seen lots of reviewers say “ oh that was too close” but I have yet to see an FSD Tesla hit a curb.
They're literally a video of it doing exactly that
I have seen at least 3 videos of curbing. Just because it knows the car's dimensions does not mean it is correctly discerning where the curb is.
So does the camera see the other guy at a four way stop waving at you to go out of turn or when you both arrive at the same time and aren’t sure whose turn it is?
Nice video, but hardly any other traffic.
Here, even at 4am, it is busier.
When you think it corners too tight, keep in mind the car knows better than humans where the wheels and mirrors are. Also when you think it stops shorter than you would, the camera is 3 feet closer to the intersection than your eyes.
Ya, ask gali why his wheels are curb rashed.... I mean it is improving, but don't defend it with it knowing better yet. It makes mistakes.
I'm not even sure if it is calculating anything like that. It just drives based on how it thinks a human would drive based on the camera input. They worked very hard to not have any rules programmed into it.
Wait, isnt the highway stack still not FSD yet? But coming in a point release.
It’s 5 iterations away minimum
Nonsensical statement when you have no idea how much difference each iteration will be.
Love you guys but if you're going to post an FSD video with multiple cuts, please also post the full video. I'd rather watch that otherwise how do we trust that it didn't do something stupid? Every other FSD video channel knows this by now.
used to watch yourt channel back when you appeared more honest about the limitations of FSD.
It is not ready for prime time and thie current hardware will never be able to improve on where it is out.
first
I WANT MY CYBERTRUCK FSD!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT MY WHEEL COVERS.
WHEN?
Audio quality bit hard to listen to
I think it's funny that many passengers say something like "I would have done " or "Why is it doing ?". It's trying to drive safely, not drive like you. What's more important?
No need to start your own channel. There's enough whiners out there already.
Too much beard stroking.
Elon Musk supports draft dodger who just insulted every single recipient of the medal of honor. When do you two guys say enough is enough?
It’s costing Tesla a lot. No longer the cool brand.
Trump2024 is way better than other options.
Funny. doesn't sound like him unless you're talking about some random hand shake somewhere. How about a guy who goes through years of reservist training/benefits then quits first time he's called up? Then claims he saw action. Do you support THAT guy?
Bit of the pot calling the kettle black... only we Know that happened, not sure what you're talking about.
You're a liar
Whereas the candidate for vice-president is proudly displaying and lying about his stolen valor and flat out lying about using "weapons of war in a war zone"...
As for (Biden) Harris - she didn't check her watch when receiving dead soldiers like Biden did, probably because she wasn't there...
The "suckers" quote is hearsay - from someone not on good footing with Trump...so, do you believe that you also believe Tara Reade (Biden) and Joe Brown (Harris) right ?
Which is worse ?