As a guns enthusiast, I have a lot of respect for people who are keeping archery alive. Even though the bow and arrow have little to no place in the battlefield in this day and age, it is still a very effective hunting weapon. I’ve fired a gun several times in my life and getting the basics down is fairly easy. But archery is a different animal entirely.
I do both. The base principals are the same. It's the techniques and posture that vary the most. But posture, breath control, & basic "point & click" aiming are the same. The single biggest difference, I feel, is aim time on target. With a firearm you have all the time in the world to take your shot once a round is chambered and action cocked, and with a bow you really need to be aimed before you "chamber & cock" with near immediate firing on draw.
They always have a place it's a matter of the warrior not the weapon. In WW2 some dude went into battle with a sword, bow and arrow. Look it up. If you are "hunting" the enemy in a war a bow could work technically xD especially if those guerrilla fighters are lightly armored. However, guns are more efficient so I concede to you sir.
I do both actually, and i know for a fact that a bow can be as deadly, if not more than a gun (and very painful). Gun lovers usually dont got the jizz of the bow because of the fact that gun is easier, faster and more precise. You should check arrow heads from i think Mongolian arrows. Its pretty cute
It has been theorized that fighting Comanche archers created the necessity to develop the revolver. Because Comanche archers could fire 3 arrows in a second while hanging off the side of a horse. They needed to speed up firearms to compete, with the skill of the bow.
fun fact the robinhood guy was trained by lars anderson for that role and he really could shoot arrows at 3 thrown targets before they hit the ground by the end of it btw I love your content so far
Regarding the Kate Bishop and Oliver Queen commentary, I tried that after seeing the same thing differently. The way I've done it is holding the nock between the thumb and the groove between my first two fingers, and then lay the shaft on the left side while keeping that pinch and sliding the arrow nock and pinch over the string---similarly to nocking with thumb draw except doing it on the left---and drawing right back. With the slow-motion footage yeah it's CG arrows and the arrowhead is a bit past the riser when showing that. But with practice and keeping that pinch you can do it very closely to that and very smoothly with a quiver on your back. That's just feedback from my own tests, I hope it's helpful.
If you slow the video down to .25 when Oliver is nocking his arrows, you can see that it seems they thought about how he loads them onto the bow. The arrow, which they did admit is cg, is on the left side of the bow the entire time, his draw hand opens as he nocks the arrow, insinuating that he is loading on the left and shooting from the right of the bow. Amell is also a decent archer, due to receiving coaching for the show.
At 9:35, he is not deflecting a sword/axe, when looking closely in slow motion you can see that its more like a spiked club. The club does appear to be metallic though, but Robin deflects the hit fairly low and close to where the opponent is holding the club, so the impact would probably be less compared to at the end of the club which would have hit with a greater force. The club also appear to hit directly on the front of the bow close to where Robin is holding it, so the bow is probably a bit stronger in that area as well. With those things in mind I think it could be doable without damaging the bow too much.
Interesting insight. Maybe yes, at the same time I would not risk my bow being destroyed like this. If this is the only way to defend me then yes. Otherwise no :) Thanks for the amazing comment!
9:51 Hmmm interesting observation, I mean looking closer it looks more like a club/mace that the crossbowman there is using. Whenever I watch this scene---and this is just my take on it, I'd have to look at it in slow-motion---it looks more like Robin's blocking the guy's arm with his own arm and pushing that aside with his fist/wrist with the bow just being in his hand so that gives him the leeway to shoot.
It is actually possible to do what kate bishop is doing....it bugs me when people say its impossible. You just havent thought about it enough. How you do it is you pull the arrow out of the quiver and you hold the arrow in a pinch grip between your thumb, pointer, and middle finger. Then you put the arrow on the shelf and as you do that you have the arrow on the left side of the string and instead of fliping your hand you just let the string slip through the grip of your pointer/middle finger side of the thumb, pointer, middle pinch grip. From there your hand and the arrow is in position the just simply pull back and as you pull back you nock the arrow.
Kate loads the arrow throughout the core of the bow… that is impossible. The way you describe involves more motion and dexterity thank just “the thing” we saw there so it’s a completely different experience.
The Mongolian archers of old used the right nock technique (the one you’re saying won’t work in reality), which involves placing the arrow on the right side of the bow before nocking it. This technique allows for a faster shooting sequence, especially when shooting multiple arrows in a row. It also eliminates the need for arm protectors because the bowstring vibrates to the right after firing. They were considered some of the greatest archers in history.
It's probably misunderstanding. The thing you describe sounds pretty logical and workable. Can you share a link with video or picture how it works, please?
I shoot Mediterranean (right handed) and practice spinning 180° to the left *as* I draw. The arrow coming off the shelf happens sometimes, but you can absolutely pull it off consecutively with enough practice or by having wood elf dna.
Im archer myself and i enjoy your video. But great wall, i think he learn from Hungarian archer lajos kassai. But sometimes i see matt damon shot like kassai did, especially on scene he and pedro fight creature on the great wall. That scene he use similar method like kassai use,reload arrow from bow hand,put on the left side then shot with three finger. And bowl scene,yes that similar with cozmei mihai method.
@@CharliesRunningArchery How would YOU know how far it actually is? Were you there to measure it? They're not as close as they appear, just like the arrows aren't real, not everything is as it seems. Again, it's possible, it's also a comic show - fantasy.
@@radicalreactions1633 spend enough time sending ordinance of any sort down range and you get pretty good at estimating distances from perspective scaling. The arrow rooftop sequence for instance, we have a good idea of the size of the skylights because the panes are very standardized (roughly 2ftx5ft) which comes to about 10ft wide (roughly 3 m) for the skylight, hvac control boxes need to be AT LEAST 5ft away from things like a skylight and line both sides of the skylights & appear to be around 7ft so there's another 14 ft (4 2/3 m), the boxes themselves are standard residential units at 2x2x3.5 ft for another 4ft or 1 1/3 m. Both of the archers need about 3 ft between them and the boxes to fully draw so thats an additional 6ft/2m. Judging from the perspective height of the box, Oliver is closer to 6 feet behind his HVAC boxes as it appears to rise to mid chest on him, not mid stomach. This gives use a tentative 12m distance. Since the camera shot is over her shoulder we can only assume she's equidistant from the boxes putting our estimated total to 13-14m. By the time she's deflecting arrows there's just her static positions with Ollie starting to fire the midpoint between their start distance at around 6-7m, and his last shot at effectively point blank of 2-3 m since his pace is about a 3ft step and he steps forward once with each shot. This puts her deflections at a decreasing range of 7 down to 3 meters. That requires superhuman reflexes This dude is a proficient enough archer he can earn his bread teaching people his techniques. He knows what he's talking about
Have a look at the movie "War of the Arrows". There is a lot of great Korean and Manchu archery in it, even the use of the tong-ah (in Turkish archery I call this device majra). "War of the Arrows" is a must see!
@@CharliesRunningArchery while i dont "fully" disagree with what you are saying, there is a youtuber arcturus that does it like hawkeye and green arrow
In Robin Hood there is a scene where he jumps out of a hallway, and shoots from his right hand and in mid air switches to his left hand In order to compensate for the awkward position of only shooting from his right hand. I’m working on this my self, and this is amazing archery in my opinion. Also completely possible. Love your videos. Keep it up. ✊🏾
Hailee Steinfeld actually trained in archery when she was hired as Kate Bishop. Kind of hard to judge scene where she's shooting fake arrows. Another professional archer said she was actually more skilled than Jeremy Renner
Lars Anderson literally has shown that arrows can be deflected as well as shooting most of the same ways that you say are impossible so just because you can't shoot that way just means you should probably practice more.
Arrows can be deflected and even caught, yes. But not from a strong bow (that Arrow uses) from 5-7 meters. You can always say that you can practice more… I just can’t put the arrow through the bow and shoot 🤷♂️
Yes, the actress did not shoot arrows at all. They use very light bows that can be shot even without arrows and will not break. So she just did the movement with her hands and arrows were added in post production.
All research I've looked up says you don't need to unstring modern material bows only old-fashioned wooden bows. Also, everyone knows all arrows on set that that go through motion are digital.
Of course, I just wanted to compare reality to the movie or series. Modern composite bows and for example fibreglass bows do not need to be unstrunged. Sure. I use laminated bows and there you should do it :)
I would like to come back on what you said about each archers in movies/series if you don't mind: -Kate Bishop is not shooting in a realistic way in that scene but there are other scenes like the car chase in which she shoots two successive arrows using the Russian "Dagger technique", so the reverse grip. I would give her more like a 3/10 if there is something to save^^. -Oliver Queen: What you say is true for biological bows maid of wood, bones and sinew. But it is not that much true for mineral material bows maid of Carbon and Fiberglass. My Assyrian bow (Jackal Archery) has been stringed for 4 months now without any problem because the main material of the bow is fiberglass inside the limbs and I shoot a lot. For the roof fight, a hunting/war bow is shooting a 600-1200grain arrows at 55-60 m/s so yes, impossible to dodge/parry an arrow at close range About armor, a hunting/war bow car go through kevlar, sand and water more efficiently than a 5.56mm or a 7.62mm bullet, it has been proved because the arrow is heavy, sub sonic and has blades so it is very efficient against "soft targets". While a bullet is blocked by these materials but will go through thick wood, metal or stone if there is enough energy, an arrow is almost always stopped by hard materials. -The Great Wall, just one detail that always catch my eyes in that scene, the first arrow probably hurt someone out of screen, nothing else to say XD. -Robinhood, we see during his training that he is using Bodkin tips for his arrows, they are specifically maid to pierce armors and to be retrieved on bodies. My problem in all of these scenes is that they always show a solo archer shooting multiple ennemies in a frontline which is impossible. The bow is a stealth weapon in solo, because it takes at least 30 secondes to be completely neutralized by an arrow due to bleeding.
Are you also going to defend Oliver's CONSTANT use of a FIBERGLASS bow as a STRIKING WEAPON too? He hits people with the damn thing ALL the time, and it DOESN'T BREAK. Talk about impossible. It IS possible to dodge something that is physically visible. Sounds like you're contradicting yourself by pretending to know more than you actually do.
@@radicalreactions1633 the arrow is going 60m/s. At under 30 ft there is literally not enough time for the visual data to hit your brain, process the data and relay the information to the appropriate muscles and for them to fully react. While you CAN block and catch arrows, it must either be at a distance of greater than 30ft or not be at full power. Otherwise you essentially need to know EXACTLY were that arrow is going to be and moving into intercept position *before* it's fired. Otherwise you're catching with your chest
To be fair I think the deflection would be possible. Risky...yes. Impractical...for sure. But it could certainly be done without breaking the bow IF "note that I said IF" you have the foresight and coordination to deflect off the flat of the blade and not the cutting edge. Still super Impractical...but definitely possible.
@@CharliesRunningArchery yeah man absolutely 🤣 I just wanted it clear that I'm not trying to say I think it's a great idea or something. Hey I'm a big fan though bro😅 By the way your speed reloading with arrows in the bow hand...you think that could be effective with a center shot recurve? Specifically a Bear Super Kodiak...
I personally find it weird that you gave 1/10 because of shooting from left/right issues, but still gave 10/10 for a scene that involves blocking a sword slash with a wooden arrow.
It doesn't look like Arrow is holding the arrow on the left side and crosses over. It's too blurry to tell. It looks like his arrow is on the right side but from the camera perspective it is on the left. Just me saying but I refer to your judgement. Also, is it shoot arrows or loose arrows? I feel like shoot is incorrect as you don't shoot an arrow as you would a gun. Deflecting an arrow is impossible as you say but it's a comic book so I can let it slide. Deflecting with a bow may break the bow but swords have varying quality as do bows. (Robin Hood 2018 actor Taron Egerton was trained by Lars Andersen so fun fact).
I'm also one the those few who can shoot 3 arrows in less than 2 seconds while drawing from quiver...its very difficult and takes many years of practice. I have over almost a million arrows shot within the past 4 years. Not to brag just to inform those interested in learning. It is possible and yeah most movies suck in their shooting image I think because they dont want people to know how to do it to keep masses weak and vulnerable to governments and evil rich people. Ha sounds crazy but have you checked a history book lately. They take stuff 9it of them on purpose it wouldn't surprise me if that's why they do it in modern films.
@@CharliesRunningArchery basically redo this entire video, but with their good points instead of how they did it badly. like when the show makers got it right
You can’t blame the actor (the Archer) for something the digital effects artist do. You also can’t say someone trying to close distance is a bad thing especially if fighting someone better then you at a bow. You don’t even comment on the actors who have good technique. Matt Damon’s technique is shit throwing his hand back, something Stephen amell does well. Giving him a “superhero” pass but not giving a actual comic book character the same is a bit silly
Nei film un' altra sciocchezza è la morte istantanea con una freccia. Si forse è possibile solo al cuore o in testa. Anche nella caccia, un animale colpito da una freccia, si allontana per qualche metro (anche decine di metri) e poi muore.
Let me add a few things to that reaction. Yes the way Kate Bishop and Arrow draw and nock is done with an empty hand and the arrow has been digitally added. But it is not true that it is impossible to draw an arrow in that way and shoot mediteranian. Especially with a backquiver. (I tried it myself), you bring the arrow already down in a high arc, so if you now do that arc to the outside or the inside of the bow does not make much difference. You do not even have to change to that reverse mediteranian grip. It works surprisingly well, and with enough practice you could get quite a high rate of fire. About that Robin Hood movie, Well Lars Anderson was a special consultant for that movie, and that shows. As you see he is shooting botkins so pulling them from a body is possible as long as the shaft is not broken. About parrying with a bow. His bow has a metal handguard, espcially for that I would guess. That the stuntmen did not hit there but on the limb that is another issue. :) About storing a stung bow. Bows from modern materials like carbon can be stored strung. They do not suffer from the problem wood bows have that the wood slowly takes the shape when being kept strung. See compound bows, the glassfiber limbs on them are kept strung for the lifetime of the bow without any problems. Sure it is better to unstring a bow, but it will not ruin a modern bow if it is being kept strung for some time. Especially as his bow was in a case so sunlight, heat, humidity all issues that help deform a strung bow would not be an issue.
Hello Thomas, thanks for your input, it's very appreciated! The modern bow materials and keep bow strung is new for me. Thanks for letting me know. I only have wooden bows right now so this is my point of view. Can you send link to a video where is this "Kate Bishop" style of loading you mentioned? Interested! I know that Lars was a consultant for Robin Hood movie, and he did remarkable job. Robin really has metal grip so at this point he could deflect the sword. I reacted on the hot to the limb. Bow is dead, instantly :( Thanks very much for your comment!
@@CharliesRunningArchery Would have to make one, I just tried it yesterday, as I was curious if it is impossible. The way they hold the arm so far outside, it does not work. They draw with a wide arc to the outside that does not work as the bow is in the way, but if you arc from your shoulder straight up, you can easily fit the arrow on the inside of the bow Try it yourself, Think on the Robin Hood scene, they just missed hitting the guard, and though, who cares noone will notice :) Also not sure if that should not have been a metal bow. In a Forged in Fire Episode they had the contestants make a Robin Hood metal takedown bow (Season 5).
Be sure to watch the videos related to the Jumong series on TH-cam. He is a hero that Western countries know nothing about, and his archery is very excellent.
I also recommend "TOMIRIS" th-cam.com/video/arOyKXnmuWY/w-d-xo.html (Maybe not historical correct 🙃 but nice to watch) and "Myn Bala - warriors of the Steppe" th-cam.com/video/V7eZNjzgzEo/w-d-xo.html - both movies with eastern archery and great landscape. 👍
Nice video Charlie, the legolas and hawkeye scenes are sooo typical murican "Hollywood" production. Thats so boring to watch because it too far gone. But you breakdown video was awesome and educational as Well. You definitely should make more. 👌
@@CharliesRunningArchery i got one, it's a Korean series though, but there's alot of archery in it. The series is called "My country: The new age". From 2019. Episode 1 and 2 have plenty to comment on. And of course there is also the Korean movie "War of the arrow" from 2011.
@@elbacon158 watch the clip at 1:48 the arrow starts on one side and is released from the other. I like Arcturus sound effects. I attended a 3D shoot at the weekend, one archer used his self-made wooden arrows with 3 large banana fletches. Their sound in the air was phenomenal.
@@2DGraphicDesign i hear what youre saying however it is possibile to to do it like green arrow and hawkeye i would know because ive been practicing it and ive been slowing but surely been able to get my arrow from my back quiver to my bow. at 1:48 u make a point i chalk that up to the cgi department. just cuz its not the traditional way doesnt mean its the wrong way
@@elbacon158 Mike I hear you though the Hawkeye example above is poor cgi. I'm not one to disrespect others archery styles. If the archer is being safe & hitting their target occasionally +, it's all good. Apparently I have a unique style (have a go/ internet taught), usually this is mentioned behind my back (from the peanut gallery) while I'm trying to shoot during an organized shoot. I'm a newbie to shoots. So that could just be people playing the distraction game. I'm rapidly developing the skill to tune it out.
You can't judge Hawkeye or Arrow based on our world. The physics of our world and the fictional world to which those characters belong are not the same. You say that what happens is impossible and it is in our world, but it is not in the world to which these characters belong. If what you want is to see a realistic archer, you would have to judge biographical films and series that if they have to be 100% possible, they would be based on people who exist or existed in our world. But judging fictional characters, whether in movies or series, makes no sense. Hawkeye is the best archer in the MARVEL and ARROW world. He is the best Archer in the DC world. Now with Legolas, he's not even human. His strength, speed, agility, and longevity are a thousand times greater than a human's. Judging archery in those circumstances also makes no sense.
I'd you tilt the bow forward you can fit it from the right side to shoot from the left...I'm sure with practice speed will come just like everything else...also I'm very hit or miss on your video your trying to sound like a master by rating actors who don't shoot archery in shows and movies that care more about overall ratings then accuracy
Commanche archers can shoot from the left very quickly, so it works. What does not work is putting the arrow through the bow to load. Physics would say one big no. I'm not a master, never presented myself as a master and if it sounds like I think I am a master, please accept my apology and I will focus more on my presentation. Thank you :)
Liked the video and it got me noticing the same wrong details in comic book cover pics of Green Arrow,his son G.R.2,Speedy&Robyn Hood from Grimm comics. In each picture I downloaded I see the artist knows nothing about archery they draw sometimes the characters holding the bow in the right or left hand with the quivers facing the wrong way,also drawing the arrows facing the wrong side of the bow like you see in the movie's and shows you mentioned lol. You would think a real fan and archer would write to the comic book artist and tell them their mistakes or maybe some have but their response would probably have said we can't get into too much detail about the little thing's when we're on a time schedule getting issues out before deadlines. I saw a documentary about comic's being made and yes they have to finish them quick but I think drawing a quiver&a arrow facing the proper side of the bow wouldn't take that much out of your time especially like drawing the line's on Spider-Mans costume in some issues. But anyway look up Robyn Hood on Google if you've never heard of her it's a good comic and it even has a fan made short movie here on TH-cam.
You obviously did not see the slow motion part when he goes with the arrow through the bow… if you can do that, please make a video about it! Need to see that 💪
@@CharliesRunningArchery They're saying you lack the knowledge to properly criticize the archery skill levels in these clips. for instance: 1) While yes in the shows Hawkeye and Arrow the arrows clip through the bow due to budget, that doesn't in turn make the archery style bad, that way of quick shooting is very real and very possible if you angle the arrow through between the string and the bow as you draw it out your back quiver. I'm an archer and I can do this, not as fast by any means but I can do it. 2) you can deflect arrows with ease and even catch them, you just have to watch for the release and judge where it will hit (It takes a lot of practice but I can do it against low poundage bows, I imagine for someone born into the league of assassins and trained from a young age to do just that would have literally no issue catching a high velocity arrow) 3) In the Robin Hood movie you will note the boiled leather wrapped on parts of the bow and the metallic hand guard. An archery who has trained for the scenario where you may have to deflect a sword would use those hardened and reinforced parts of the bow to block, especially the hand guard. It's important as archers that we don't just go "Nah that's impossible" on the internet just because we can't perform that specific feat. For instance I can't run and shoot at the same time but I know its possible, just gotta use some critical thinking. If you're talking bad CGI then that's fair enough but you can't say its impossible just because you cannot perform the trick, especially since nearly everything you said was impossible (with a lot of practice) is very possible. Just have to think a little bit more critically before criticizing. - my honest review of your review =)
As a guns enthusiast, I have a lot of respect for people who are keeping archery alive. Even though the bow and arrow have little to no place in the battlefield in this day and age, it is still a very effective hunting weapon. I’ve fired a gun several times in my life and getting the basics down is fairly easy. But archery is a different animal entirely.
Thanks for that ❤️
I do both. The base principals are the same. It's the techniques and posture that vary the most.
But posture, breath control, & basic "point & click" aiming are the same.
The single biggest difference, I feel, is aim time on target. With a firearm you have all the time in the world to take your shot once a round is chambered and action cocked, and with a bow you really need to be aimed before you "chamber & cock" with near immediate firing on draw.
They always have a place it's a matter of the warrior not the weapon. In WW2 some dude went into battle with a sword, bow and arrow. Look it up. If you are "hunting" the enemy in a war a bow could work technically xD especially if those guerrilla fighters are lightly armored. However, guns are more efficient so I concede to you sir.
I do both actually, and i know for a fact that a bow can be as deadly, if not more than a gun (and very painful). Gun lovers usually dont got the jizz of the bow because of the fact that gun is easier, faster and more precise. You should check arrow heads from i think Mongolian arrows. Its pretty cute
It has been theorized that fighting Comanche archers created the necessity to develop the revolver. Because Comanche archers could fire 3 arrows in a second while hanging off the side of a horse. They needed to speed up firearms to compete, with the skill of the bow.
fun fact the robinhood guy was trained by lars anderson for that role and he really could shoot arrows at 3 thrown targets before they hit the ground by the end of it btw I love your content so far
Thanks. I know he was able to do that, I saw that well known video too... but... he could not do it in a movement, right? That's the point :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery i put my thumb on fire
Regarding the Kate Bishop and Oliver Queen commentary, I tried that after seeing the same thing differently. The way I've done it is holding the nock between the thumb and the groove between my first two fingers, and then lay the shaft on the left side while keeping that pinch and sliding the arrow nock and pinch over the string---similarly to nocking with thumb draw except doing it on the left---and drawing right back. With the slow-motion footage yeah it's CG arrows and the arrowhead is a bit past the riser when showing that. But with practice and keeping that pinch you can do it very closely to that and very smoothly with a quiver on your back. That's just feedback from my own tests, I hope it's helpful.
If you slow the video down to .25 when Oliver is nocking his arrows, you can see that it seems they thought about how he loads them onto the bow. The arrow, which they did admit is cg, is on the left side of the bow the entire time, his draw hand opens as he nocks the arrow, insinuating that he is loading on the left and shooting from the right of the bow.
Amell is also a decent archer, due to receiving coaching for the show.
Hailee Steinfeld and Stephen Amell actually do archery in real life. They aren’t pros or anything but it is a hobby of theirs.
Ok :)
At 9:35, he is not deflecting a sword/axe, when looking closely in slow motion you can see that its more like a spiked club. The club does appear to be metallic though, but Robin deflects the hit fairly low and close to where the opponent is holding the club, so the impact would probably be less compared to at the end of the club which would have hit with a greater force. The club also appear to hit directly on the front of the bow close to where Robin is holding it, so the bow is probably a bit stronger in that area as well. With those things in mind I think it could be doable without damaging the bow too much.
Interesting insight. Maybe yes, at the same time I would not risk my bow being destroyed like this. If this is the only way to defend me then yes. Otherwise no :) Thanks for the amazing comment!
Oh hell I didn't notice that lol I said sword.
Great observation man.
I still wouldn't want to draw that bow again until I'd a chance to really examine it. That's a great way to get a face full of splinters
apparently the front of the bow theres like an hand guard brass knuckles thing.
You're 100% right.
I think the Directors just rely on us saying "Oh, it's okay because it's not real." haha
Ya 🤣
In the Arrow clip, he's drops the bow down between each shot, then he swings the arrow over and swings the bow up with the arrow on the left side.
That's how I put my arrow on my bow
9:51 Hmmm interesting observation, I mean looking closer it looks more like a club/mace that the crossbowman there is using. Whenever I watch this scene---and this is just my take on it, I'd have to look at it in slow-motion---it looks more like Robin's blocking the guy's arm with his own arm and pushing that aside with his fist/wrist with the bow just being in his hand so that gives him the leeway to shoot.
It is actually possible to do what kate bishop is doing....it bugs me when people say its impossible. You just havent thought about it enough. How you do it is you pull the arrow out of the quiver and you hold the arrow in a pinch grip between your thumb, pointer, and middle finger. Then you put the arrow on the shelf and as you do that you have the arrow on the left side of the string and instead of fliping your hand you just let the string slip through the grip of your pointer/middle finger side of the thumb, pointer, middle pinch grip. From there your hand and the arrow is in position the just simply pull back and as you pull back you nock the arrow.
Kate loads the arrow throughout the core of the bow… that is impossible. The way you describe involves more motion and dexterity thank just “the thing” we saw there so it’s a completely different experience.
The Mongolian archers of old used the right nock technique (the one you’re saying won’t work in reality), which involves placing the arrow on the right side of the bow before nocking it. This technique allows for a faster shooting sequence, especially when shooting multiple arrows in a row. It also eliminates the need for arm protectors because the bowstring vibrates to the right after firing.
They were considered some of the greatest archers in history.
It's probably misunderstanding. The thing you describe sounds pretty logical and workable. Can you share a link with video or picture how it works, please?
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@@CharliesRunningArchery It's not letting me add a link but search for Lars Andersen: A new level of archery
Your point at 10:20 , in the movie his bow actually had a metal guard around his fist. In this case he was able to deflect a sword!
Yes, but he deflect the sword by non-iron part of the bow 🤷♂️
I shoot Mediterranean (right handed) and practice spinning 180° to the left *as* I draw. The arrow coming off the shelf happens sometimes, but you can absolutely pull it off consecutively with enough practice or by having wood elf dna.
This dna is something I miss 😅
Im archer myself and i enjoy your video. But great wall, i think he learn from Hungarian archer lajos kassai. But sometimes i see matt damon shot like kassai did, especially on scene he and pedro fight creature on the great wall. That scene he use similar method like kassai use,reload arrow from bow hand,put on the left side then shot with three finger. And bowl scene,yes that similar with cozmei mihai method.
Interesting observation, thanks!
Mathematics to calculate where trajectory will land is an actual application it's literally math but math is not everyone's strong point.
You can deflect arrows but it's hard only slowly though
Not from 5 meters... :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery How would YOU know how far it actually is? Were you there to measure it? They're not as close as they appear, just like the arrows aren't real, not everything is as it seems. Again, it's possible, it's also a comic show - fantasy.
@@radicalreactions1633 spend enough time sending ordinance of any sort down range and you get pretty good at estimating distances from perspective scaling.
The arrow rooftop sequence for instance, we have a good idea of the size of the skylights because the panes are very standardized (roughly 2ftx5ft) which comes to about 10ft wide (roughly 3 m) for the skylight, hvac control boxes need to be AT LEAST 5ft away from things like a skylight and line both sides of the skylights & appear to be around 7ft so there's another 14 ft (4 2/3 m), the boxes themselves are standard residential units at 2x2x3.5 ft for another 4ft or 1 1/3 m. Both of the archers need about 3 ft between them and the boxes to fully draw so thats an additional 6ft/2m. Judging from the perspective height of the box, Oliver is closer to 6 feet behind his HVAC boxes as it appears to rise to mid chest on him, not mid stomach.
This gives use a tentative 12m distance. Since the camera shot is over her shoulder we can only assume she's equidistant from the boxes putting our estimated total to 13-14m. By the time she's deflecting arrows there's just her static positions with Ollie starting to fire the midpoint between their start distance at around 6-7m, and his last shot at effectively point blank of 2-3 m since his pace is about a 3ft step and he steps forward once with each shot. This puts her deflections at a decreasing range of 7 down to 3 meters.
That requires superhuman reflexes
This dude is a proficient enough archer he can earn his bread teaching people his techniques. He knows what he's talking about
In the robin hood movie when he blocks the sword, his bow has a metal hand guard/ knuckle duster he used to stop the blade
Still, using bow as a tool of defence against clubs, swords, axes.... whatever... is not the best solution. At least for me.
Have a look at the movie "War of the Arrows". There is a lot of great Korean and Manchu archery in it, even the use of the tong-ah (in Turkish archery I call this device majra). "War of the Arrows" is a must see!
Will do! Thanks Karl :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery while i dont "fully" disagree with what you are saying, there is a youtuber arcturus that does it like hawkeye and green arrow
In Robin Hood there is a scene where he jumps out of a hallway, and shoots from his right hand and in mid air switches to his left hand In order to compensate for the awkward position of only shooting from his right hand. I’m working on this my self, and this is amazing archery in my opinion. Also completely possible. Love your videos. Keep it up. ✊🏾
Or maybe the hand switch was vise versa, but he does switches hands in mid air which is still amazing.
I have a video about it ;) I did it myself :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery oh man, well let me start searching for it!
13:08 the bow. Switched to Tatar. And then back to Syrian bow. Watch.
You can shoot fast on either side if the bow.
Hailee Steinfeld actually trained in archery when she was hired as Kate Bishop. Kind of hard to judge scene where she's shooting fake arrows. Another professional archer said she was actually more skilled than Jeremy Renner
I would aboslutely not argue that she is bad. What I see is that creators of the movie "made her look bad"... at least for us archers.
Lars Anderson literally has shown that arrows can be deflected as well as shooting most of the same ways that you say are impossible so just because you can't shoot that way just means you should probably practice more.
Arrows can be deflected and even caught, yes. But not from a strong bow (that Arrow uses) from 5-7 meters. You can always say that you can practice more… I just can’t put the arrow through the bow and shoot 🤷♂️
well for the part at 6:40 I saw in a video where he trained with Lars Andersen, and that guy shoots super fast and accurate, I would give it an 8/10
I know, but the whole movement is little unbelievable 🤔
you can actually see kate's arrow going through the bow. they use a CGI prop or something?
Yes, the actress did not shoot arrows at all. They use very light bows that can be shot even without arrows and will not break. So she just did the movement with her hands and arrows were added in post production.
@@CharliesRunningArchery that's almost as gay as how sword movies never demonstrate edge alignment
All research I've looked up says you don't need to unstring modern material bows only old-fashioned wooden bows. Also, everyone knows all arrows on set that that go through motion are digital.
Of course, I just wanted to compare reality to the movie or series. Modern composite bows and for example fibreglass bows do not need to be unstrunged. Sure. I use laminated bows and there you should do it :)
I would like to come back on what you said about each archers in movies/series if you don't mind:
-Kate Bishop is not shooting in a realistic way in that scene but there are other scenes like the car chase in which she shoots two successive arrows using the Russian "Dagger technique", so the reverse grip. I would give her more like a 3/10 if there is something to save^^.
-Oliver Queen: What you say is true for biological bows maid of wood, bones and sinew. But it is not that much true for mineral material bows maid of Carbon and Fiberglass. My Assyrian bow (Jackal Archery) has been stringed for 4 months now without any problem because the main material of the bow is fiberglass inside the limbs and I shoot a lot.
For the roof fight, a hunting/war bow is shooting a 600-1200grain arrows at 55-60 m/s so yes, impossible to dodge/parry an arrow at close range
About armor, a hunting/war bow car go through kevlar, sand and water more efficiently than a 5.56mm or a 7.62mm bullet, it has been proved because the arrow is heavy, sub sonic and has blades so it is very efficient against "soft targets". While a bullet is blocked by these materials but will go through thick wood, metal or stone if there is enough energy, an arrow is almost always stopped by hard materials.
-The Great Wall, just one detail that always catch my eyes in that scene, the first arrow probably hurt someone out of screen, nothing else to say XD.
-Robinhood, we see during his training that he is using Bodkin tips for his arrows, they are specifically maid to pierce armors and to be retrieved on bodies. My problem in all of these scenes is that they always show a solo archer shooting multiple ennemies in a frontline which is impossible. The bow is a stealth weapon in solo, because it takes at least 30 secondes to be completely neutralized by an arrow due to bleeding.
I love everything about your comment! Thanks!
Are you also going to defend Oliver's CONSTANT use of a FIBERGLASS bow as a STRIKING WEAPON too? He hits people with the damn thing ALL the time, and it DOESN'T BREAK. Talk about impossible. It IS possible to dodge something that is physically visible. Sounds like you're contradicting yourself by pretending to know more than you actually do.
@@radicalreactions1633 the arrow is going 60m/s. At under 30 ft there is literally not enough time for the visual data to hit your brain, process the data and relay the information to the appropriate muscles and for them to fully react.
While you CAN block and catch arrows, it must either be at a distance of greater than 30ft or not be at full power.
Otherwise you essentially need to know EXACTLY were that arrow is going to be and moving into intercept position *before* it's fired. Otherwise you're catching with your chest
who upsets you my brother, just bring me their pictures and I promise to draw a mustache on it
Haha :)
To be fair I think the deflection would be possible.
Risky...yes.
Impractical...for sure.
But it could certainly be done without breaking the bow IF "note that I said IF" you have the foresight and coordination to deflect off the flat of the blade and not the cutting edge.
Still super Impractical...but definitely possible.
With all that “ifs” yes 🤔😉
@@CharliesRunningArchery yeah man absolutely 🤣
I just wanted it clear that I'm not trying to say I think it's a great idea or something.
Hey I'm a big fan though bro😅
By the way your speed reloading with arrows in the bow hand...you think that could be effective with a center shot recurve? Specifically a Bear Super Kodiak...
I'm surprised you didn't break down scens from the movie War of the arrows
Scenes from this movie are blocked immediately on TH-cam 😵💫
Charlie's, You Have not Failed This City
Haha! Thanks :)
Are you using carbon arrow for practice?
I use carbons all the time :)
What about Brave? I always wonder If that thing that Merida does shoting a Arrow unto a Arrow is posible
Brave is actually realistic. It's called Robin Hood and many archers can hit the end of their arrow and split it apart.
@@CharliesRunningArchery Woooouuu Thats soo cool! I always thought It was totaly fiction. Thanks 😆👍
I personally find it weird that you gave 1/10 because of shooting from left/right issues, but still gave 10/10 for a scene that involves blocking a sword slash with a wooden arrow.
Life is weird 🤷♂️
It doesn't look like Arrow is holding the arrow on the left side and crosses over. It's too blurry to tell. It looks like his arrow is on the right side but from the camera perspective it is on the left. Just me saying but I refer to your judgement.
Also, is it shoot arrows or loose arrows? I feel like shoot is incorrect as you don't shoot an arrow as you would a gun. Deflecting an arrow is impossible as you say but it's a comic book so I can let it slide.
Deflecting with a bow may break the bow but swords have varying quality as do bows.
(Robin Hood 2018 actor Taron Egerton was trained by Lars Andersen so fun fact).
Pink fletchings! Glad you took my advice. =P
Absolutely, thanks for that!
Hey, I really like the bow you're using in this video, is it a good one? and if so where did you find it?
Haha, this is a very very good one :) It's Assyrian bow by Bogararchery.sk :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery Thank you :) (you're videos are awesome btw)
I'm also one the those few who can shoot 3 arrows in less than 2 seconds while drawing from quiver...its very difficult and takes many years of practice. I have over almost a million arrows shot within the past 4 years. Not to brag just to inform those interested in learning. It is possible and yeah most movies suck in their shooting image I think because they dont want people to know how to do it to keep masses weak and vulnerable to governments and evil rich people. Ha sounds crazy but have you checked a history book lately. They take stuff 9it of them on purpose it wouldn't surprise me if that's why they do it in modern films.
haha, maybe :D
Bro is real life hawkeye
how about a video with the same movies and same characters.. but points in the movie or show where they got it right or very close to right.
Super amazing idea! Any tips?
@@CharliesRunningArchery basically redo this entire video, but with their good points instead of how they did it badly. like when the show makers got it right
@@alwaysmymazda to add to redoing the video, also, compare kate bishop, clint barton, (both are called hawkeye) and green arrow to arcturus
You can’t blame the actor (the Archer) for something the digital effects artist do. You also can’t say someone trying to close distance is a bad thing especially if fighting someone better then you at a bow. You don’t even comment on the actors who have good technique. Matt Damon’s technique is shit throwing his hand back, something Stephen amell does well. Giving him a “superhero” pass but not giving a actual comic book character the same is a bit silly
Thanks for a comment. I did not only roast in this video, for example I achieved Legolases idea of thooting in a twist :) But I got your point.
war of arrows is one movie shoot forget the other one!
lol Allison on Teen Wolf
Nei film un' altra sciocchezza è la morte istantanea con una freccia. Si forse è possibile solo al cuore o in testa. Anche nella caccia, un animale colpito da una freccia, si allontana per qualche metro (anche decine di metri) e poi muore.
That is a good point!
What about Neytiri?
Need to watch the movie first :)
Try watching korean & japanese movies such as 13 assassin's, war of the arrows, the great battle.
Will do, thanks!
Could you analyze the archer from war of the arrows please😊
Let me add a few things to that reaction.
Yes the way Kate Bishop and Arrow draw and nock is done with an empty hand and the arrow has been digitally added.
But it is not true that it is impossible to draw an arrow in that way and shoot mediteranian.
Especially with a backquiver. (I tried it myself), you bring the arrow already down in a high arc, so if you now do that arc to the outside or the inside of the bow does not make much difference. You do not even have to change to that reverse mediteranian grip. It works surprisingly well, and with enough practice you could get quite a high rate of fire.
About that Robin Hood movie,
Well Lars Anderson was a special consultant for that movie, and that shows.
As you see he is shooting botkins so pulling them from a body is possible as long as the shaft is not broken.
About parrying with a bow. His bow has a metal handguard, espcially for that I would guess. That the stuntmen did not hit there but on the limb that is another issue. :)
About storing a stung bow.
Bows from modern materials like carbon can be stored strung. They do not suffer from the problem wood bows have that the wood slowly takes the shape when being kept strung.
See compound bows, the glassfiber limbs on them are kept strung for the lifetime of the bow without any problems.
Sure it is better to unstring a bow, but it will not ruin a modern bow if it is being kept strung for some time.
Especially as his bow was in a case so sunlight, heat, humidity all issues that help deform a strung bow would not be an issue.
Hello Thomas, thanks for your input, it's very appreciated!
The modern bow materials and keep bow strung is new for me. Thanks for letting me know. I only have wooden bows right now so this is my point of view.
Can you send link to a video where is this "Kate Bishop" style of loading you mentioned? Interested!
I know that Lars was a consultant for Robin Hood movie, and he did remarkable job. Robin really has metal grip so at this point he could deflect the sword. I reacted on the hot to the limb. Bow is dead, instantly :(
Thanks very much for your comment!
@@CharliesRunningArchery
Would have to make one, I just tried it yesterday, as I was curious if it is impossible.
The way they hold the arm so far outside, it does not work.
They draw with a wide arc to the outside that does not work as the bow is in the way, but if you arc from your shoulder straight up, you can easily fit the arrow on the inside of the bow
Try it yourself,
Think on the Robin Hood scene, they just missed hitting the guard, and though, who cares noone will notice :)
Also not sure if that should not have been a metal bow. In a Forged in Fire Episode they had the contestants make a Robin Hood metal takedown bow (Season 5).
@@thomaskurz5617 look up arcturus videos his videos prove your logic correct
Bravo! Good idea for a video Charlie. You are a very smart guy :)
Thank you very much!
Be sure to watch the videos related to the Jumong series on TH-cam. He is a hero that Western countries know nothing about, and his archery is very excellent.
Thank you Ardan, will check it out!
Well, archery is a sport which requires physical fitness. Guns don't. Both require technique though.
What about Katniss Everdreen from hunger games?????
Maybe in a next round :)
There is one movie you absolutely need to see sir. It is War of the Arrow, it's a Korean movie, 2011.
It's quiet a good movie.
Not just good, it is very good. And have the use of the majra or tong-ah also.
Will do, thanks boys!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I also recommend "TOMIRIS" th-cam.com/video/arOyKXnmuWY/w-d-xo.html (Maybe not historical correct 🙃 but nice to watch) and
"Myn Bala - warriors of the Steppe" th-cam.com/video/V7eZNjzgzEo/w-d-xo.html - both movies with eastern archery and great landscape. 👍
Look at war of arrows
Kate in possible just put it through the string to be on the left
But she did not put it through… just bad cgi 🤷♂️
What nissa did is actually possible she was trained by the demon come on
Good for her :D
Nice video Charlie, the legolas and hawkeye scenes are sooo typical murican "Hollywood" production. Thats so boring to watch because it too far gone. But you breakdown video was awesome and educational as Well. You definitely should make more. 👌
Thank you! Give me some other movies with archery scenes so I can make more :)
@@CharliesRunningArchery i got one, it's a Korean series though, but there's alot of archery in it. The series is called "My country: The new age". From 2019. Episode 1 and 2 have plenty to comment on. And of course there is also the Korean movie "War of the arrow" from 2011.
But in their universe it's possible they are not in the real world
… but I am 😂
Kate Bishop is 'Hawkeye'. KATE is, at least, one of three 'Hawkeye'. Yea! The impossible cgi phasing through solid bow, arrows. Fun.
Until I had no idea about archery I was like:"This is so impossibly good!"... Now it's like: "This is so impossibly bad!" :D
watch arcturus archery videos you guys might be wronger than you think
@@elbacon158 watch the clip at 1:48 the arrow starts on one side and is released from the other.
I like Arcturus sound effects. I attended a 3D shoot at the weekend, one archer used his self-made wooden arrows with 3 large banana fletches. Their sound in the air was phenomenal.
@@2DGraphicDesign i hear what youre saying however it is possibile to to do it like green arrow and hawkeye i would know because ive been practicing it and ive been slowing but surely been able to get my arrow from my back quiver to my bow. at 1:48 u make a point i chalk that up to the cgi department. just cuz its not the traditional way doesnt mean its the wrong way
@@elbacon158 Mike I hear you though the Hawkeye example above is poor cgi. I'm not one to disrespect others archery styles. If the archer is being safe & hitting their target occasionally +, it's all good. Apparently I have a unique style (have a go/ internet taught), usually this is mentioned behind my back (from the peanut gallery) while I'm trying to shoot during an organized shoot. I'm a newbie to shoots. So that could just be people playing the distraction game. I'm rapidly developing the skill to tune it out.
You can't judge Hawkeye or Arrow based on our world. The physics of our world and the fictional world to which those characters belong are not the same. You say that what happens is impossible and it is in our world, but it is not in the world to which these characters belong. If what you want is to see a realistic archer, you would have to judge biographical films and series that if they have to be 100% possible, they would be based on people who exist or existed in our world.
But judging fictional characters, whether in movies or series, makes no sense. Hawkeye is the best archer in the MARVEL and ARROW world. He is the best Archer in the DC world.
Now with Legolas, he's not even human. His strength, speed, agility, and longevity are a thousand times greater than a human's. Judging archery in those circumstances also makes no sense.
Chill out, it’s just fun ;) and people liked it ✌️
I'd you tilt the bow forward you can fit it from the right side to shoot from the left...I'm sure with practice speed will come just like everything else...also I'm very hit or miss on your video your trying to sound like a master by rating actors who don't shoot archery in shows and movies that care more about overall ratings then accuracy
Commanche archers can shoot from the left very quickly, so it works. What does not work is putting the arrow through the bow to load. Physics would say one big no. I'm not a master, never presented myself as a master and if it sounds like I think I am a master, please accept my apology and I will focus more on my presentation. Thank you :)
Arrow is the best
Not for me :D
I love when Stephen Amell does the Salmon Ladder and that Stephen Amell does most of his own stunts and that he completed American Ninja Warrior
Rambo?
He is actually very realistic!
JEALOUS, that Hawkeye is a better Archery
Did not catch how you mean it, sorry.
Orc archers domination all of them ))
:))
Liked the video and it got me noticing the same wrong details in comic book cover pics of Green Arrow,his son G.R.2,Speedy&Robyn Hood from Grimm comics. In each picture I downloaded I see the artist knows nothing about archery they draw sometimes the characters holding the bow in the right or left hand with the quivers facing the wrong way,also drawing the arrows facing the wrong side of the bow like you see in the movie's and shows you mentioned lol. You would think a real fan and archer would write to the comic book artist and tell them their mistakes or maybe some have but their response would probably have said we can't get into too much detail about the little thing's when we're on a time schedule getting issues out before deadlines. I saw a documentary about comic's being made and yes they have to finish them quick but I think drawing a quiver&a arrow facing the proper side of the bow wouldn't take that much out of your time especially like drawing the line's on Spider-Mans costume in some issues. But anyway look up Robyn Hood on Google if you've never heard of her it's a good comic and it even has a fan made short movie here on TH-cam.
Thanks for your comment :) Yes, in movies are so many nonsenses about archery that it completely ruined my excitement about watching it :D
Movies bud
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Lmfao joke
Dont sqy the oliver shooting tennis balls is fake causei seen a archer on TH-cam do it maybe you just need more practice
You obviously did not see the slow motion part when he goes with the arrow through the bow… if you can do that, please make a video about it! Need to see that 💪
You don’t no nothing’s
Sorry, didn’t understand 🤷♂️
@@CharliesRunningArchery They're saying you lack the knowledge to properly criticize the archery skill levels in these clips. for instance:
1) While yes in the shows Hawkeye and Arrow the arrows clip through the bow due to budget, that doesn't in turn make the archery style bad, that way of quick shooting is very real and very possible if you angle the arrow through between the string and the bow as you draw it out your back quiver. I'm an archer and I can do this, not as fast by any means but I can do it.
2) you can deflect arrows with ease and even catch them, you just have to watch for the release and judge where it will hit (It takes a lot of practice but I can do it against low poundage bows, I imagine for someone born into the league of assassins and trained from a young age to do just that would have literally no issue catching a high velocity arrow)
3) In the Robin Hood movie you will note the boiled leather wrapped on parts of the bow and the metallic hand guard. An archery who has trained for the scenario where you may have to deflect a sword would use those hardened and reinforced parts of the bow to block, especially the hand guard.
It's important as archers that we don't just go "Nah that's impossible" on the internet just because we can't perform that specific feat. For instance I can't run and shoot at the same time but I know its possible, just gotta use some critical thinking. If you're talking bad CGI then that's fair enough but you can't say its impossible just because you cannot perform the trick, especially since nearly everything you said was impossible (with a lot of practice) is very possible. Just have to think a little bit more critically before criticizing. - my honest review of your review =)
dude you are analyzing fictional shooting, comparing it to reality, no sense
Yes I do...