Snooker Incident | John Higgins vs Gary Wilson | 2021 Championship League - Group 2
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- Mark Selby, Shaun Murphy and Gary Wilson have recently opened up about a sense of personal despair blighting their mental health.
Gary has been the most affected. His 3-year steady success rate of 61% of matches won has dropped to 37% this season. He suspected what was happening but was in denial for a while. Finally, he acknowledged having depression and decided to fight it after noticing his weight loss: from 10 stones to 9 stones 2.
The sanitary crisis, confinement, and other new 'normalities' clearly play a role in recent depression among snooker players.
"When you are in your pomp and getting victories, trophies and are at number one, you don't mind taking the snooker depression because you think I'm getting rewarded for it.
But if you are putting that effort in and aren't getting anything back, getting beaten in the first, second and third rounds all the time, and it's still leaving you feeling like s***, it's a lot harder to take and handle."", commented Ronnie O'Sullivan.
The statistics shown in the video correspond to the date of the match.
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The controversial 2010 Higgins meeting: Information for people who had no opportunity to investigate further:
1. Mazher Mahmood, editor of the newspaper and 'gangster' in the video, was known for living performing similar traps (actors and other sports stars). In October 2016, he was jailed for a year for tampering with evidence involving a singer (a victim of his traps).
2. The original video lasted 11 minutes, but they only showed 4 min.
The video has too many cuts, answers without questions and vice versa. Moreover, they didn't keep the dialogue structure despite being professional journalists who own the raw footage. They could have excluded the moments of fear and intimidation; perhaps they brought up the topic of foreign properties, making us believe that the idea was Higgins' initiative.
3. Ian Mill KC* headed a second independent investigation―the first was led by David Douglas, former detective chief at Scotland Yard.―He had access to all original videos and audio tapes (as Douglas had). He textually concluded: "I have no doubt that the Association was right to conclude that this account by Mr Higgins was a truthful one."
His conclusion on Pat Mooney**: "he committed the most egregious betrayals of trust ".
Audiotapes revealed that Pat Mooney was aware of the 'bribery'. He told Higgins they were wealthy sponsors, and just before the meeting, he asked him to play along if the subject of match-fixing came up.
*Ian Mill KC is considered an authority in sports bribery cases in Formula 1, Football Premier League and Tennis ATP, among others. He headed the recent investigation on the ten Chinese snooker players.
**Pat Mooney, Higgins' manager in the video, was a member of the WPBSA board at that time.
- Meeting: Friday, 30 April 2010.
- Publishing: Sunday, 2 May 2010, 'coincidentally' during the final at the Crucible.
- John Higgins at the time: 34 years old, married, two children, World N°1, reigning world champion, famous and millionaire (£5 million only in prize money―£450,000 in 2009).
Statement from David Douglas: www.sportingintelligence.com/2...
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Higgins was incredibly sportsmanlike there not complaining about it or even drawing attention to it. Classy
Such a professional to realise the situation for what it was.
he should be banned anyway
@@chinafunnycrazyvideos4078 oh go away
Very classy when he was taking bribes too
He had hundred quid on Wilson to win the frame
Almost 2 years later, not only has Gary Wilson found a way back to good health, but he has just won his first ranking event. Good on him and hope he retains control over his mind
And a year later he defends the title. So pleased for him.
I think the class of John Higgins showed through here. Less said about the commentary the better but they probably didn't appreciate the whole situation.
It's really painful to hear Gary say " I'm absolutely gone"
I have been a Gary Wilson fan since the first time I watched home escape impossible snookers. Truly wish him the best.
He's s class act mate
I’ve been a fan since 1st time a saw him, was lucky to meet him at a pro am in Glasgow and now he’s just won 🏆 his 1st ranking title. The Scottish open. Looking back at this am glad he got this out his System, we have seen John, Jimmy throw his cue etc. Maybe Barry should get abit more fire in him. Worked for Eldon breaking down and releasing a lot of emotion in his chair after a match and he won the worlds back in the day 👍🏆👍
Unless you have experienced depression/mental health issues you won't really get it. I have nothing but empathy for Gary watching that. I hope he is coping better now...peace to ya.
Huge lack of empathy and compassion by the commentators. Not every incident is this huge talking point to make a big deal out of. The players are human as well
In the meantime it's pretty hard to spot depression. Not anyone can do it for a loved one, so for a stranger...
Yeah, they completely overplayed the situation and created drama where there was none. Shame on them.
@@elkugelblitz that’s true but at the same time it’s not hard to see when someone’s suffering. They didn’t have to diagnose him but they could have realised it was more than just bad behaviour
Totally agree.
@@homersimpson8561 I believe they perceived it mostly as frustration and over commented because that's basically their job. But I completely understand and appreciate your point of view. Could be interesting to watch the full game see if they discussed this event further.
I think this is a good example of how we never really know what's going on inside a person. The commentators obviously had no clue about Gary Wilson's state of mind. I commend the referee for having the intuitive sense that this was an anomaly for Gary. Perhaps because the ref was on the floor close to the players, he was able to pick up certain non-verbal clues and thus was better informed to make his decision. Whatever the reason, I applaud his judgment.
The commentators did harp on a bit too much. But they are paid to provide commentary and so it is natural they would use the incident as something to talk about. And they don't have the luxury of taking the time to consider all the complexities of human behaviour.
I really appreciate this video as it reveals the more unpleasant realities for the pros under the pandemic conditions. I hadn't realized just how isolated the players are during a tournament. These are difficult times for everyone and they too are dealing with extraordinary circumstances.
Finally, as someone who has lived with depression on and off for most of my life, I am thankful that more people are talking about mental health issues and thus slowly eroding the social stigma associated with emotional and mental disorders. It is important for people to learn that it's not a matter of lack of will-power or courage to pull one out of depression. In fact, living with depression and still showing up for work despite how hard it is just to take a shower or brush one's teeth takes an enormous amount of courage. I had to learn that myself and stop calling myself a coward because I found everything so hard to do.
Thank you so very much for putting out this video.
even more delighted to know that this referee is officiating the final of the World Snooker Championship this year!
The referee was showing the empathy that was clearly missing from the idiot commentators, as was Higgins, great refereeing
@@Charlie_Crown not really. Like the commentators said the frame should of been called. What if he hadn't let Higgins win and went on to win the frame after that. What if that had been the decider.
And why would the commentators show empathy for something they don't know about. To them and everyone else that just looked like a shoe of anger and frustration which shouldn't of happened.
What did you want them to do just pretend it didn't happen?
Wise and pondered words.
smashing a ball is considered a concession of a frame, nothing to do with the state of the players mind. that's like saying good job to the ref for feeling empathy and awarding the points for a missed pot lol
Imagine being so good at this game that you're professional, you can pot just about anything you like, you can put the ball wherever you want and you can basically play at a level that virtually no one in the world can reach, yet when it matters to you it seems that you can't get it right or you miss a ball - you don't get a chance to do it over and in some cases the whole world is watching and laughing at you for it. It must tear you apart knowing that you're quality but not being able to do yourself justice and the consequences of that must be overwhelming and therefore spills out of snooker and into everyday life. Remember - for these guys, not winning matches can be the difference between a comfortable lifestyle and food on the table.
We need to get over the stigma of viewing those who admit to mental health problems as "weak" or "not as strong" as others. Prime example - Mark Selby, someone who everyone agrees is one of the toughest mentally has contemplated suicide. The point being that someone can put on a tough act and do things that look like they're doing great, but deep down even they are not only fallible, they are maybe not all as they seem, maybe they are struggling even more than someone who is more open about it.
As someone who's fought with depression, admitting you have some form of mental health problem and that you need help is the single most powerful thing you can do. The first step to overcoming any problem is accepting and acknowledging that an issue exists and looking to get something done about it, and I sincerely hope that not just Gary, but anyone who is struggling with their mental health knows that they are not alone and that they keep fighting. There is a purpose for everyone, there will always be someone out there that cares about you and things do get better.
You're so correct
Kudos.
Maffchops
A fine comment.
These guys are titans.
100% respect to each and every one of them.
From small to huge..
From bottom to head..
We all salute you guys.
Depression is not a choice.
As far as Gary's actions, to be honest, no big deal. Gary is a good bloke going through the thing that depression can do to you, to anyone, and John Higgins is a gentleman.
the world would be a better place if most of the people think like you
Damned right.
It would be a big deal but he redeemed himself with the next shot he played. Really Hope him can get over with his depression.
@@kanataspunchingbag2973 I agree with you but the commenting wanker had to criticize him for even doing that saying it is an illegal shot if you don't do your best.
BackSeatHump well, when this incident happened, no one, not even Wilson realised that he’s facing depression problem as explained in this video. With that in mind it is reasonable for them to criticise him for what he did at that moment. It is indeed an irresponsible act in this gentlemen’s sports. However now we know that Wilson was in a tough situation. Therefore the commentators looked very cruel to him in this video
Sad to see that. No wonder many player take a "rest" at times. Hopefully Gary will come out of his problems and enjoy life again.
this is a good idea for world snooker to take notice and have more health and mental check ups each season
make players rest and not go around the world playing snooker each week for points and money. there should be a maximum amount of tournament snooker you can play each season
Huge respect for letting John back in
Just to echo the sentiments of the comments section here.. And also to recognize Paul Collier as what I regard as the best ref in snooker.
And to Dominic, don't judge people or events thru the lens of outrage.
Thank you very much for picking up on this Cesar, treating it sensitively, and giving it the Cesar "what the rules *actually* say" treatment. You're a good guy...
Depression, mental health or whatever aside the commentators need to calm down. Obviously a moment of madness and he apologised for it. John Higgins is a legend and someone I've met on a few occasions and he is a top guy.
He's far from the only one who's struggled with depression, anger or worse over the past year, it's been a tough time for many. Good on the referee and Higgins for dealing with the incident professionally and indeed sympathetically, and I hope Gary Wilson makes a full recovery.
Enough respect to John Higgins
Great efforts of the editing and all the subtitles, explaining those rules and letting knowing several players’ similar situations! Really objective and sympathetic!
Depression's not fun at all. Been there, done that. Never want to go back into it.
Best way to overcome depression for me was to talk about it.
Hopefully Gary Wilson comes out of it. He's seems like a nice and humble guy.
Getting out into the countryside and doing hard exercise really helps depression.
Higgins, class. Commentators, as tabloid as the tabloids. Gary, very very good player. I hope he feels better soon. Excellent video. It doesn't matter what walk of life you're in, depression hits and needs support, not negativity
Credit to whoever posted this. Depression is serious....and talking about it and seeking help are obviously huge. Good thoughts your way, Gary Wilson - and to anyone else who suffers with this stuff.
Thanks for covering this important, difficult subject.
Glad it was helpful!
Both Dominic Dale & Phil Yates will be aware of Gary Wilson’s battle with depression, and, IMO, could’ve handled the commentary a lot better, rather than over analysing it, over and over again. John Higgins & Paul Collier handled it with a lot more dignity and respect.
Dominic dale should be fined for talking crap
To be fair to Dominic, He wasn't to know Gary's inner turmoil, He's simply seeing it as it is in that moment.
It's very hard to see the signs sometimes.
@DS I tend to agree with you ( ;
We all know Dominic the spaceman Dale is a little bit strange & very eccentric but.......
He has a very good knowledge of the game
& i for one absolutely love him as a commentator,
He's the best commentator on dreary Eurosport ( ;
Why that ref should have accepted Wilson hammering the balls as a concession? That was a perfectly valid point. I realiise you might be coming at it from the mental health aspect in hindisght. Snooker rules wise it was a joke.
Great upload Cesar, it's always a good sign when celebrities and great champions such as Ronnie and Mark share their stories and help other people to cope with depression, especially during this time. Thank you for putting this together.
I felt in depression when I was 13-14 yo, it was a very deep hole in my mind where I was not capable to get out of, I actually made it after years of work, but surely wouldn't have been able to do it if it wasn't for my parents who were behind my back all the time and my friends who tried to involve me more on making music, those 2 facts were what made me have something to get back on track, being a little bit happier everyday, step by step, and eventually after like 3-4 years I was stable again, now I'm turning 20 in 4 months and doing very very good.
Depression is HORRIBLE, and there's a point where you're feeling so bad not even compliments or having someone to talk is enough, once you're alone again you're at the bottom again. If you think you're depressed please look for a professional to help you get out of that, and I hope Wilson gets the help he needs as well.
This video is excellent to bring this topic because of how often we get to talk to people who are in this mind-state, but don't even realize, or even if they talk us about how sad they are we don't actually perceive it as bad as it is. Great job Cesar, como siempre!
I feel for Gary Wilson. Thank you for highlighting this problem.
Dominic Dale needs to look more at the long picture instead of being so judgemental... Glad the ref read the signals the way he did
Respect for this. Mental health is so important and often overlooked. Thank you for sharing in a positive, mindful way
Re watching this after Gary’s maiden ranking title, great to see him battle his demons and come through
Brilliant trickshot
timestamp? Oh 0:30?
@@lucas29476 when he double banked it in lok
I'm full of admiration for the lads who have spoken publicly about depression, as a sufferer myself, I know its really hard to talk about, but we have to , so total respect to you lads,👍
Dominic Dale full of empathy as always. He's a little creep, the sort of kid that would have snitched on you at school. Hopefully Gary never heard his words.
Class by Higgins! Ultimate professional.
Thank you soo soo much for bringing up the point of snooker and mental health...
'Even worse, a red went in' - Something Dominic Dale knows very little about.
Simply a 'like' is insufficient to show my appreciation of this content and my agreement with your sentiment. Thank you.
Good luck to Gary Wilson and to all who deal with any sort of mental illness. May we all better be able to step outside our personal bubble to understand others.
Well Dale certainly showed his true colours - ready to throw the book (which he doesn't even understand,) at a guy who's struggling. He doesn't need to know Wilson is depressed to see that he's suffering there at the moment and obviously wasn't trying to gain advantage by hitting the red away (mind you, he couldn't possibly know where the red will end up anyway). Obviously the ref and Higgins didn't see any such intent in what he did. Hate these kinds of hypocrites who are all too ready to feign outrage when given a chance. And to be fair, i think Yates tried to put a stop to Dale's yammering. (And i wish Dale would learn to speak properly and stop semi-whispering all the time, but not my problem, not gonna listen to his punditry anymore.)
Good for Higgins, too, but it's as expected - there's some (even top) players out there who would've tried to take full advantage of the incident, complained to the ref etc etc. i doubt Higgins even said anything after the game re Gary's 'disrespectful' playing :P
Thanks for the video Cesar!
Whilst I agree with Dales commentary completely lacking empathy, accuracy for the rules about conceding, you can still be suffering mentally and behave as a professional at the table. Nobody is to know prior to announcement from a player that they are struggling with mental health issues unless you're extremely close to that player.
The ref and Higgins didn't see any malicious intent, or an attempt to gain an advantage in what he did but that doesn't detract from the fact it's extremely unsportsmanlike. A situation like this could easily rattle both players and play on the mind. If Higgins felt it was inappropriate and went on to lose the match, I feel he'd have every right to complain about this.
I'm not happy to see anybody suffering but you still have to carry yourself with a bit of decorum and professionalism at your job. Unfortunately as harsh as it may seem, as a governing body of a sport you can't let an incident slide like this.
John Higgins a true gentleman
well done to both players on this occasion, you both handled the situation extremely well
wellmade video and well researched, hope wilmot is getting the support he needs.
always ask your mate how they are doing twice.... solid vid, good, essentially dramatic frame of snooker and well edited... the hallmark of your vids is effort, and i thank you for that... i hope you follow the lessons your teaching your fans
Thank you very much, Adam!
Very sensitive subtitles from this wise channel. Chapeaux!
Higgins is a true gentleman 🎩 he showed the world again
I interviewed him for the podcast a few weeks ago. A top guy who clearly didn’t realise that he was depressed and couped up away from his family in a soulless situation. He apologised a few times and have Higgins the table back. He’s human like us all.
Yes I'm sure this wasn't intentional, it was just frustration
It's the referee that's the problem here not Gary Wilson.
If John Higgins didn't make a big deal about it nobody else should. It seems like people who comment have never experienced true depression i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
As a sufferer, all I feel is anger, hate and despair. All the time. It never goes away.
And suicide is not an option because I have children
There are a lot of potential treatments available (aside from the conventional medication and therapy), that your doctor likely hasn't heard of. For example, people have had incredible results using psychedelic substances like magic mushrooms (psilocybin), ayahuasca, lsd etc. Check out peoples experiences of these on youtube, they have the potential to completely transform your life. They've been approved by the FDA for clinical trials so before long you'll be able to do them legally under professional supervision. They can also be microdosed meaning you don't actually have a trip. Ketamine therapy is available now and has changed peoples lives too. ECT therapy for example again has saved people. There are options, when you feel despair it can help to know that. Good luck
Best wishes for your future Gary Wilson!. Stay in high spirits.
I call "foul, and a miss" to the commentators. John, as always, dealt with it in the best way possible. And best of luck to Gary. Depression is not a choice.
IMO, it's all about motivation. Snooker makes us fall in love with it, but imagine we become professionals and now we gotta practice it daily, put in all the hours at least 5 days a week or so, so that's not really so much fun i would say. And when things go south on the table in matches, it's perfectly normal to feel extremely frustrated.
& If I'm not winning any events, then I'll work with different coaches to find out what could be wrong especially how to keep myself motivated enough to keep trying.
Gary Wilson is a escape master, in the likes of Houdini. Life sometimes kick us in the teeth
Dale and Yates were a bit harsh, if it were RO they would have been all concerned about the golden one.
GW is a really good player and he's got the talent, just probably needs more in life to balance things out. I like him, I've totally felt like doing this and that's in the club with my brother and dad! I think everyone has depression to varying degrees and some people definitely suffer more than others. I've felt it once in my life for a couple of years and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, genuinely like an illness - like a virus or infection but of the mind. Getting out and walking every day helped get me out and then it was a matter of being careful with myself and creating the habit of being good to myself, ie treating me like I treat others.
Snooker attracts that type of person I think, because even though it's solitary in that when it's your turn its just you and the table, there is a social side and you can be vocal if you like or you don't have to say anything at all. You can socialise without the awkward silences or boring small talk because you are supposed to be quiet. I love that aspect.
I'm going through depression atm. Lost my mum to covid and world has turned upside down. You can be talking to people you know and care about and out of nowhere you want to break down and walk out. Tell them you can't do it, and just hide away and drink until you sleep. Wake up and start drinking again until you don't feel shit anymore. When your own mind wont allow you to be happy, that's the hardest fight in the world. Scary thing is it can happen to you, it doesn't discriminate.
@@steve6646 really sympathetic dude and going to church is just about the shitest advice you could give to anyway
Hang In there dude. Talk to people, keep yourself busy, watch snooker and try to remember things won't be that dark forever.
@@theironshiek hes absolutely right though. Going to church will provide much needed community, its not about God.
@Conor's, I know it's on me. I wasn't looking for sympathy. It's always good to talk about it so others can see the signs. Or just to let someone else know they're not alone. Not everyone is selfish.
Cheers james
Very cruel of commentators that they were analysing the situation only from one angle. Snooker is a game of humans, with excitement, passion and energy these great players impart on the amazed audience.
We as viewers love the sportsmen more than the sport. When we admire the pinnacle of human intelligence and skill in them, we also stand with our favorite players through their emotional turmoil.
Gary is one of the most graceful snooker players.
God almighty the commentator’s dragged that on. The guys a human not a robot. I’ve watched players over the years loose it at times and it’s understandable with the pressure to perform at the highest level for hours at a time. He apologised and later in the match went on to say he was gone. It’s one of those things that make us human.
Its a wonder he was allowed to play or advised to play. Bless him hope he gets back to it soon. Its tough sometimes life.. just hold on. It cant rain all the time!
This is a fine video. There are a lot of comments criticizing the commentators, but we have to understand, snooker is a great game but it is a quiet game and any time a bang happens it's gonna get talked about over and over so it's natural that the commentators stuck to that issue. Just look at the Eurosport post match interviews, mostly they are just prozaic. When it's Ronnie I already know everything he's going to say and then the interview descends into whether he's running or whatever, so when once Ronnie took the tip off his cue, it was three minutes talking about it without really saying much. Also, yeah we should all be minful of each others and give it the benefit of the doubt, but really, it would be a total lack of elegance if the commentator made a point about any player's mental health. Commentators will comment what they see in a superficial manner when it comes to anything but snooker itself. It's the nature of it.
One point I have with commentators is the "oh everyone can do this now" spiel. They treat snooker players like some basic creatures that are going to imitate anything different they see. When it was Mark Williams break off "OMG anyone can do this now! World Snooker has to do something" No! Let the players be themselves. Just because one player in a fit of anger swiped at a red ball doesn't mean that all other players on the circuit will go out and start smashing reds all over, just as a very little amount of players took to break like Mark Williams.
Regarding mental health of players, I think it's important to stress that it's not just the others. It's us too, so anyone watching this should be mindful of themselves too and look for signs of mental health decline and seek help, be it from friends and family or from professionals, because mental illness doesn't happen just to the others.
Cheers to Cesar for highlighting this issue!
The commentators remind me of my Auntie Betsy and Auntie Jane discussing the telly over a nice cup of tea and biscuits. Those were such good old days. May they rest in peace.
I hope he's ok.
I don't know why the commentators are moaning... he clearly gave John the frame afterwards. He didn't have to, but that was him holding his hands up.
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I was watching a tournament a few months back (can’t remember which one) and Tom Ford looked really depressed. Depressed to the point I was actually concerned about him. He looked so low, his body language, his face, everything about him screamed depression.
Dominic Dale was stirring. Poor from a pro like him
I think I'm correct in saying Higgins was also struggling a couple of years ago, maybe not to that degree but was vocal in his apathy for the game and his general demeanour. At this level itself or nothing and the quote from ronnie was spot on....when its yourjob and your doing it for 5-6hours a day and getting nowhere it's tough. It's a massively mental game at the best of times.....all the greats have been strong mentally....even more so now I think
I watched him as a teenager (maybe even younger than that) at northern snooker in Leeds - I think what’s harder is he was seen as a future number 1, before judd trump really. Jack lisowski was playing in the same tournament and was just learning the game then in comparison to Gary Wilson. I can still picture him now, little lad cueing under one eye.
Hey Dominick what about the toll the game takes on the players. You should know better. He was wrong but there were obviously underlying reasons that need addressing rather than haling him over the carpet.
Depression kills more than a bad heart.... it's a silent killer. 😞😞
Higgins one of the greatest players of all time but more importantly a good person.
Dominic dale shouldn’t be allowed to commentate
Dominic Dale was such a drama Queen when they showed the replay "worse still, a red went in...". Calm down. Granted, it could technically have affected the outcome of the frame had Gary not effectively conceeded by letting John back in but Dale made it sound like World War III had just started as a direct result of Gary's actions.
Try to get back to the saddle, Gary - we want to see you play!
You are a top player, no matter what!
I hope Gary is okay and getting the support he needs
Even at these times...
a sport played by gentleman.
People in general not ,just sports commentators, aren't aware of how prevalent mental stress leading to serious depression is and how difficult (sometimes impossible) it can be to deal with. We should commend those who have the courage to publicly acknowledge having mental issues as this can motivate others to seek help. Too often we fail to appreciate the struggles of others even when we may have problems ourselves.
Great video! I would just like to suggest that you raise the frame rate of the subtitles. It really hurts my eyes to try and read it...
Thanks for the tip!
If you sit in a room practicing all the time they have too I think the fact you get minimal sunlight is the factor for some of these players. Av yet to see a snooker player with a tanned face. I myself suffer from this sort of depression hence why I am writing it.
1of them commentary men need a good slap!
It"s a sad place to be for Wilson. A bit of understanding would be helpful from snooker's authority! Gary, please take a break, breath some fresh air. ..watch the wild creatures ..some small, simple but happy, harmonious with life. We got to be same, just like them sometimes.
I think the commentators are distant, focussed on trying to make sense of the rule implications, and completely lost sight of the human dimension. I think Higgins and the ref knew because they were right there and could feel. I bet the commentators would have been kinder if there was closer physical contact. Just like the internet and social media tbh!
Best video🙌 love from India man.
Commentators were poor, complained when wilson smashed the balls but then complained when he rolled a ball over the pocket
Complete overreaction by the commentators. Its just a very human act of frustration, and Wilson apologized for it twice and handed the frame to Higgins. Which seems completely reasonable to me. I thought that the referee and players handled the situation very well, kept calm and moved on. No need to make such a big deal out of it. I doubt that Wilson would do such a thing ever again.
Made it really tough for Higgins to fix this one 😎
John Haggins is so calm
Hang in there Gary
Snooker is a tough game hard to make a living out of it if you are struggling ...
If Phil Yates and Dominic Dale are not ashamed of their commentary here then they should be. When Ronnie conceded against Hendry Dennis Taylor had the sense and empathy to realise that something was wrong.
I became a great fan of Gary after World Championship 2018.
Just shows he is human, the frame should have been given to Higgins but that is enough punishment. commentators are bellends
I think dale does good commentary
I've been battling depression for 33 years. I don't talk about it to anyone anymore because I only get incomprehension, condescendence or even contempt ("you're weak", "be a man about it").
Antonio, as IgotPMT pointed out, even Selby, one of the mentally strongest players, suffers from depression. I personally never heard they related it with weakness. Sounds absurd :)
@@steve6646 Goons like you who are quick to judge even a stranger on the internet without having a clue are part of the problem. Of course I talk to my doctor. Treatments don't always work and it cannot be cured completely. You have to fight constantly, but obviously you don't understand that and I owe you no explanation. Anyway thank you for proving my point.
@@CesarMuroya Pues alguna gente lo hace, y yo lo he sufrido. Especialmente en algunas culturas como los europeos del este por ejemplo.
Buen video como siempre.
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They gave out saying the frame should of been over,they gave out because John would have an easy red and when Wilson shows great sportsmanship they give out about that.Proper commentators would of forgotten about it after 2 mins prob knowing that he wasn't in the right frame of mind
I don't really get why they kept bleating on about it. Read the room guys. Additionally, if it's not their job to assign the punishment, then I feel they should leave it to the officials. Have your discussion for a bit, but remember to drop it and continue your job, not drone on.
Depression does not see who u r,famous,or not.would not wish it on my worst enemy. Best of luck Wilson.
Dominic dale was just about the worst person to do this in front of
What is up with Dominic Dale
@@allthekingshorses7178 just because is he such a snooker purist
These commentators are ridiculous.
Dale came off like a first class prat.
@@synchc he was always wanker
@@synchc I like him I like his attitude but he did act very pompous here,he stayed on it waaay too long🤬
They ripped the balls out of that, absolutely ridiculous
Lovely trick shot on second red Gaz 😂
Look at all these keyboard warriors in the room, I understand the compassion towards Gary and support it but..... At this time, as pointed out, even Gary didn't know he was suffering with depression. It would be wrong to over look any bad reaction or behaviour, not just in snooker, and just say "it's depression". That opens a big ol' can of worms
Higgins is tops in my book , hope the other guy gets better
Btwy..Gary gave away the simple red at the corner to John..as consider the frame
No one can relate to how depression affects you unless u have experienced it yourself it totally consumes you wealth status etc irrelevant it in your mind I have it and so relate how Gary Wilkinson was feeling