The reveal that Jones was unlikely to be in the Warcs, and yet his local regiments fitting the early medals so nicely makes the ribbon bar even cooler. I wonder if the costume department knew someone who had this exact history.
I saw another video about Coporal Jones medals on another channel. Someone in the BBC props department really did their homework. Dad's Army is a series to look into after looking into the real history. And most of the cast were either WW2 military veterans or even Home Guard and WW1 veterans (Pvt Godfery).
Another fantastic video! As I've written before, please consider covering Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC, KCB, KCIE, Major-General Clive Wynne-Candy, and/or the great Canadian (super) hero, James Howlett.
Thanks for your feedback. I have added them on my (very long) to-to list, I've pencilled in some time over the Xmas/NY period to dig out my Flashman books and do some research. Judging by the amount of escapades he was in, it may be a 2 or 3 part mini series!
Interest fact if you don’t know already. A large part of the cast of Dads Army had served in the British Army, either during or after the first World War or the Second World War. So most of them would have had actual service medals.
Quite a lot of actors of the 50’s to 70’s served, Richard Todd, Michael Horden, David Niven, John Gregson( he took part in the last boarding party to use Cutlasses)
I like these videos because they're informative (and it saves me a search on Google for each medal!), and the arrows are particularly useful for understanding what you are talking about. I saw both the Connery and the Brosnan Bond ones last night. My only quibble was with the film makers: they made Brosnan's Bond an OBE, when I'm sure Fleming suggested he was a CMG, like Connery's Bond
Great video. A suggestion to add to your list is Monty Pythons The Colonel played bu Graham Chapman. His ribbons indicate he got around a lot in the war.
where he was captured and spent most of the war in a POW camp, he said he had a horrible war and doesn't know why anyone would look back fondly at that time
@@andreww2098 Yes the train trip from Greece to German pow camps was dreadful, little water, no food until the Serbs gave up their bread, water and wine to the soldiers (they had very little themselves but gave our people freely) i read as much in a few books written by pow's who later escaped and served again in various special forces capacities. I think one was by John Verney.
Great video! I'd love to see your take on "The Duchess of Duke Street". The hotel porter (Starr) is a former Sergeant in the Rifle Brigade who fought at Omdurman, the waiter (Merriman) is a Crimean veteran, and a long term resident guest is Major Smith-Barton, 17th Lancers (retired). When WWI breaks out (Series 2), staff are ordered to wear medal ribbons, the Major is recalled to the Colours, and various friends and guests join up. To my familiar but non-expert eye, they do a very good job. It's particularly interesting to see how, as the War progresses, the Major and Charlie Hazelmere gain ribbons in an appropriate manner.
Next time, how about Jock Sinclair or rather most of the characters from "Tunes of Glory" (1960)? There's a lot of fun going on there. DSO, MC w/Bar, MM and all the campaign medals. It practically tells the story itself.
My Grandfather was promoted to Lance Corporal 'in the field' at Passchendaele. On a Vickers gun and prevented the trench from being overrun. No fuzzy Wuzzies, but not much fun. 9th Hawkes Bay, Wellington mounted rifles. NZ Army.
Corporal Jones often references Field Marshal Kitchener, but I am always surprised that his character never referenced Winston Churchill, an officer in his regiment and comrade in many of his campaigns.
Considering Jones was willing to volunteer for anything and get involved in the action I'm a little surprised he didn't pick at least one gallantry medal along the way.
At Abu Klea, Frederick Burnaby, a civilian adventurer, urged the impressionable Lord Charles Beresford (Naval Brigade) to move the Gardner gun out front to get a better angle of fire. That weakened an already fragile line and can be said to have let the square be broken.
He would also have the ww2 trio for service in the Home Guard surely and maybe clasp for his Long Service and Good Conduct medals? Though they would come in 1945 possibly.
The series ended when the war was still ongoing. The pilot episode started with a scene set in 1968 with surviving members of the platoon as part of their hometown’s “I’m Backing Britain” campaign.
I've read an account of the battle of Abu Klea which put the blame for the square breaking at least partly on Colonel Fred Burnaby, who apparently ordered a unit on his side of the square to wheel outwards so give them a better field of fire, creating a gap which the dervishes exploited. Burnaby himself was attacked and killed outside the square.
I think Jones appears in an early episode of Dad's Army in his WW1 uniform. Perhaps the uniform is from his earlier career and I think the episode is in colour so maybe not a very early episode. I think he's a sargeant, but then I might have got that wrong, too! Anyway great to hear more from his exploits. Thanks.
The sand of the desert is sodden red, Red with the wreck of a square that broke; The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead, And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
Arnold Ridley also had a distinguished (and real) military career. The RN canvass First Aid bags were called Godfrey bags. I think the slang has moved on now!
Thanks for the suggestion, I may do one in future about Godfrey focusing on his gallantry award and experiences on the western front. I think Sgt Wilson may have also been at Gallipoli in the RA but will have to look into that so that could also be a possibility.
The Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal ribbon is actually incorrect - since Jones joined in 1884 and the LSCGM qualification period was 18 years, he would be awarded the medal in 1902 which in that time was plain crimson. Yet Jones's ribbons show the medal with the post-1916 ribbon, which was crimson with white edges. Otherwise, great video 👍
Minor point, but I think it would be more correct to say that Wolseley was in overall command and Earle was in command of the river column. (spoiler: it was Gladstone's fault!)
Well done!! That was very enjoyable and must have been a workout for you. I think it was a shame that he didn't get a coronation or jubilee medal at some point and if anyone is worthy of a meritorious service medal it would be him but I think you need to be a Sargent for them. He will get the defence medal at some stage and as they took a U-boat crew captive who knows what he might have got for that! As a set of medals it is a very impressive career and God knows what a set like that would be worth! Now you can go and lay down in a dark room for a bit!!😅😊
The reveal that Jones was unlikely to be in the Warcs, and yet his local regiments fitting the early medals so nicely makes the ribbon bar even cooler. I wonder if the costume department knew someone who had this exact history.
I saw another video about Coporal Jones medals on another channel. Someone in the BBC props department really did their homework.
Dad's Army is a series to look into after looking into the real history. And most of the cast were either WW2 military veterans or even Home Guard and WW1 veterans (Pvt Godfery).
Another fantastic video! As I've written before, please consider covering Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC, KCB, KCIE, Major-General Clive Wynne-Candy, and/or the great Canadian (super) hero, James Howlett.
Thanks for your feedback. I have added them on my (very long) to-to list, I've pencilled in some time over the Xmas/NY period to dig out my Flashman books and do some research. Judging by the amount of escapades he was in, it may be a 2 or 3 part mini series!
Apologies in advance, I had a technical issue with my microphone in this video at some points so will be getting a replacement before the next video!
Don't worry, it wasn't distracting at all! Keep up the good work! ;)
No worries. A little boomy, but ready for the parage ground.
Interest fact if you don’t know already. A large part of the cast of Dads Army had served in the British Army, either during or after the first World War or the Second World War. So most of them would have had actual service medals.
That would also be a great topic for a video
That would also be a great topic for a video
Quite a lot of actors of the 50’s to 70’s served, Richard Todd, Michael Horden, David Niven, John Gregson( he took part in the last boarding party to use Cutlasses)
Imagine Flasheart and Jonesy existing in the same universe. Id love to see that meeting.
lol...Baldrick and Godfrey could get on quite well together I reckon
As far as I remember there is a section where LC. Jones has a parade uniform and and there should be full medals with claps👍👍👍
The redcoat or as Jones called it “full dress uniform”.
@@carlbirtles4518 Yes you are absolutely right and sorry if I said something wrong.👍
i recall him in one with a Police type helmet which was also military wear, blue i think
I like these videos because they're informative (and it saves me a search on Google for each medal!), and the arrows are particularly useful for understanding what you are talking about. I saw both the Connery and the Brosnan Bond ones last night. My only quibble was with the film makers: they made Brosnan's Bond an OBE, when I'm sure Fleming suggested he was a CMG, like Connery's Bond
Great video. A suggestion to add to your list is Monty Pythons The Colonel played bu Graham Chapman. His ribbons indicate he got around a lot in the war.
Lcpl Jones was actually a hero, a hero by accident.
Clive Dunn actually fought in Greece in 1941.
where he was captured and spent most of the war in a POW camp, he said he had a horrible war and doesn't know why anyone would look back fondly at that time
@@andreww2098 Yes the train trip from Greece to German pow camps was dreadful, little water, no food until the Serbs gave up their bread, water and wine to the soldiers (they had very little themselves but gave our people freely) i read as much in a few books written by pow's who later escaped and served again in various special forces capacities. I think one was by John Verney.
Don't panic!!! CoC has uploaded a new video! Don't panic!!! 😃
Hi, love watching this program. I wonder if you can do a video about Uncle Albert from Fools and Horses?
Good choice! 👍
Thanks for the suggestion, its on my to-do list!
What a good idea!
James Donald who played Group Captain Ramsey in the Great Escape apparently has his medal ribbon displayed incorrectly.
Hey mate can you cover breaker morant and the lighthorsemen films cheers ✌
Great video! I'd love to see your take on "The Duchess of Duke Street". The hotel porter (Starr) is a former Sergeant in the Rifle Brigade who fought at Omdurman, the waiter (Merriman) is a Crimean veteran, and a long term resident guest is Major Smith-Barton, 17th Lancers (retired). When WWI breaks out (Series 2), staff are ordered to wear medal ribbons, the Major is recalled to the Colours, and various friends and guests join up. To my familiar but non-expert eye, they do a very good job. It's particularly interesting to see how, as the War progresses, the Major and Charlie Hazelmere gain ribbons in an appropriate manner.
Brilliant video as usual keep up the good work
Legend has it the Lance Corporals medals were altered when the series was filmed in colour.
If he was still alive at the end of the war he would have also earned the 1939-45 defence medal
For Captain Mainwaring and Privates Pike and Walker, that would be their only medal.
Next time, how about Jock Sinclair or rather most of the characters from "Tunes of Glory" (1960)? There's a lot of fun going on there. DSO, MC w/Bar, MM and all the campaign medals. It practically tells the story itself.
Great suggestion thanks, I will add it to the list for the future.
Thank you for your excellent video
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
My Grandfather was promoted to Lance Corporal 'in the field' at Passchendaele. On a Vickers gun and prevented the trench from being overrun. No fuzzy Wuzzies, but not much fun. 9th Hawkes Bay, Wellington mounted rifles. NZ Army.
Corporal Jones often references Field Marshal Kitchener, but I am always surprised that his character never referenced Winston Churchill, an officer in his regiment and comrade in many of his campaigns.
Funny that you mentioned the Royal West Kent Regiment.
The Home Guard platoon in “Dad’s Army” wear the cap badge of the Royal West Kent Regiment.
Considering Jones was willing to volunteer for anything and get involved in the action I'm a little surprised he didn't pick at least one gallantry medal along the way.
At Abu Klea, Frederick Burnaby, a civilian adventurer, urged the impressionable Lord Charles Beresford (Naval Brigade) to move the Gardner gun out front to get a better angle of fire. That weakened an already fragile line and can be said to have let the square be broken.
He would also have the ww2 trio for service in the Home Guard surely and maybe clasp for his Long Service and Good Conduct medals? Though they would come in 1945 possibly.
Permission to panic , mister Mainwaring! Permission to panic!
A slight dating error at 19:05 (weirdly that is the exact mistake!) It's a great video and very informative.
How about a video on the medals that Captain Mainwaring forgot at home? 😛
What about his home guard service?
Defence medal and victory medal?
As far as I know, members of the LDV were ineligible for the War Medal.
The series ended when the war was still ongoing.
The pilot episode started with a scene set in 1968 with surviving members of the platoon as part of their hometown’s “I’m Backing Britain” campaign.
I've read an account of the battle of Abu Klea which put the blame for the square breaking at least partly on Colonel Fred Burnaby, who apparently ordered a unit on his side of the square to wheel outwards so give them a better field of fire, creating a gap which the dervishes exploited. Burnaby himself was attacked and killed outside the square.
Would he have earned any more medals for service in the home guard?
Yes, the Defence Medal.
I think Jones appears in an early episode of Dad's Army in his WW1 uniform. Perhaps the uniform is from his earlier career and I think the episode is in colour so maybe not a very early episode. I think he's a sargeant, but then I might have got that wrong, too! Anyway great to hear more from his exploits. Thanks.
@stco2426 In a couple of episodes, Lance Corporal Jones appears in his dress uniform of a redcoat black trousers and a bearskin hat!!
The sand of the desert is sodden red,
Red with the wreck of a square that broke;
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
what was that from
@@robshirewood5060 The poem "Vitae Lampada" is about the battle of Abu Klea (mentioned at 5.30).
@@tagscientist Thanks very much i will research that, stay safe and wise
It could be that he was transferred to a new regiment or possibly signed a new contract (or reenlisted after being caught)
Thanks for this one! Perhaps Pte Godfrey next....?
Arnold Ridley also had a distinguished (and real) military career. The RN canvass First Aid bags were called Godfrey bags. I think the slang has moved on now!
Thanks for the suggestion, I may do one in future about Godfrey focusing on his gallantry award and experiences on the western front. I think Sgt Wilson may have also been at Gallipoli in the RA but will have to look into that so that could also be a possibility.
The Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal ribbon is actually incorrect - since Jones joined in 1884 and the LSCGM qualification period was 18 years, he would be awarded the medal in 1902 which in that time was plain crimson. Yet Jones's ribbons show the medal with the post-1916 ribbon, which was crimson with white edges.
Otherwise, great video 👍
Either Jones was allowed to have it upgraded or the wardrobe people got it cheaper than the proper ribbon.
Dunn did an interview with Wogan in character and said he volunteered for the Camel Corps in Africa. Not sure if this helps the anomaly?
Minor point, but I think it would be more correct to say that Wolseley was in overall command and Earle was in command of the river column. (spoiler: it was Gladstone's fault!)
Yes fair point, a slip of the tongue on my behalf.
Do someting on Godfeys medal.
And after ww2 he would have added 39-45 star and the war medal and defence medal
The British army's top officer in India cpt Bloomberg form Indian Jones and the temple of doom
17:39 has any one ever told you that in the right light and from the right angle you have hauntingly distressing eye's?
They don’t like it up ‘em!
it looks like who ever came up with this medals. didn´t realy do their research. but at least it was in the right time period.
Re-post?
The History Chap did a video on LCPL Jones about a year ago, perhaps you're thinking of that? th-cam.com/video/WL_F3E973bU/w-d-xo.html
Well done!!
That was very enjoyable and must have been a workout for you.
I think it was a shame that he didn't get a coronation or jubilee medal at some point and if anyone is worthy of a meritorious service medal it would be him but I think you need to be a Sargent for them.
He will get the defence medal at some stage and as they took a U-boat crew captive who knows what he might have got for that!
As a set of medals it is a very impressive career and God knows what a set like that would be worth!
Now you can go and lay down in a dark room for a bit!!😅😊
Yes thanks John it was a bit of an epic to research ! Ah yes I will have to rewatch that U-boat episode - it was a classic.