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- Donkey Kong is one of Smash's most beloved characters for his incredible damage output and combo potential. But in competitive play he's almost unanimously considered an unviable character due to his rather obvious flaws. But are they really obvious? For today's episode of Why NO ONE Plays, we'll be talking about the DANKEY.
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We need a new Donkey Kong Game, and no Mario vs Donkey doesn't count
DK
DONKEY KONG
We need donkey konga 4, dk need bomgo
Dk tropical freeze
@@treasure9342 What about it? That game is ten years old
If Donkey Kong had his Coconut Gun, like Diddy Kong has his Peanut Popgun, a lot of issues can be solved.
he literally said that at the end of the video except he would roll barrels instead of use a gun
@@edgelordmcgee966 If you ask me, Donkey Kong should be grabbing and carrying opponents with a barrel and throwing it DK country style.
The coconut gun is not necessary, I'd argue. DK shouldn't have more than one projectile and if he's going to have one it has to be the barrel. I don't think he should be able to toss barrels out frequently, the move should have notable cooldown, but I think they're one of the most important things missing from his kit.
@@krubbington Who said anything about having two projectiles? In this case, it’s either all.
Sakurai doesn’t want to give DK his coconut gun because it can fire it spurs. If he shoots ya. Its gonna hurt.
No but for real he could had gotten the Banjo Kazooie treatment were their side b had limited uses. Like DK coconut gun jn the game it has ammo. So maybe give him a way to reload it by hitting his opponent perhaps.
No one plays Donkey Kong… except all casuals, high level players when being casual and even some people who take DK seriously because he’s fun in general.
yea this title aint it
Return to monke
@@MrGameguyC
This series is solely referring to Competitive Play.
@@user-be3qc7re9o many competitive player play DK tho cause he’s fun
@@meee_5155
Yes, but rarely do players actually use DK Competitively.
Donkey Kong’s ability: Gorilla Tactics 🦍
He's Ape Out but as a Nintendo character.
A character that's extremely common on elite, but not in high level tournaments.
The urge to talk moveset changes, it calls to him.
This isn't Ganondorf
Honestly I would argue DK might have one of the best advantage states in the game at the trade off of having one of the worst disadvantages. This volatility leads to inconsistency like no other character, so he is definitely not for everyone. But everyone agrees; he’s fun to play, play against (maybe not in tournament lol) and watch. Hopefully, I can go to a major soon and try and show why I think DK is underrated
Gotta say, in my region there is about 57,784,993 donkey kong players online, and twice on Sundays. The great ape is well liked and used in the north east
I cant imagine the numbers of them online for monkey monday
@@elflaco4171 Yeah, the numbers make sense for simian sunday, but good lord I cannot fathom what monkey mondays must be like
I know in the confines of ultimate Donkey Kong is considered a fairly mediocre character but this is easily my favorite iteration of the character.
It’s the first time all of his special moves feel useful, his throw combos are good but not absurdly polarizing and his normals feel hefty and quick.
Sure his disadvantage is still one of the worse in the game but you feel like such a boss when you nail your game plan.
IMO he’s fairly underrated.
I think there are very few characters in Ultimate who are outright bad; it's just there are a lot of characters who are better than DK.
@@Baconator2558 100% it’s no doubt the most balanced smash game, specially considering how ambitious the cast is.
You mean disadvantage right? His advantage state is one of the best in the game
@@domthebandit9366 Thank you, yes, that’s what I meant. He really has one of the worse disadvantages and one of the best advantages.
Smash 4 DK was better, his recovery was so much better, had more protection on the top of spinning Kong.
DK's weight is definitely also offset by his incredibly poor recovery. Grounded Spinning Kong is great, but as a recovery it's possibly the worst in terms of height and leaves him wide open from above and below.
I think changing two of DK's specials would really help out to shore up his weaknesses. Up-B should be Barrel Cannon, where it forms around him and then he can fire out of it in the 8 ordinal and sub-ordinal directions like a cannonball. It would both be a better recovery and a risky kill option against opponents that recover high or make a predictable airdodge.
Side-B should be replaced by him pulling out a barrel that he can then either roll along the ground, throw forward in an upwards arc, or throw down from mid-air or a platform which will then roll forward in the direction he's facing. Giving him a projectile will make it a lot harder to camp him out, and throwing barrels has always been a part of his identity from the original Donkey Kong to the DKC series.
If they need to change one of his moves, I wouldn't miss the headbutt. I never really understood why he had that and not a barrell throw or something.
Are you aware of up b out of shield? It’s actually really good against a lot of the cast, it’s frame 7 I believe and it has armor on start up.
It hits Meta Knight dash attack safely and consistently for context.
Frame 7*
@@slothape That would probably be the better move to replace, yeah. Charged Giant Punch already does good shield damage anyways. Would probably want to swap Giant Punch to side-B though, because for the sake of changing which direction the barrel is thrown it'd be more intuitive to have the input be Neutral-B.
Ground upB is not great at all, that move is so trash. It's way too slow on start up, you can hit through him and upB would miss, it's very minus on whiff and very minus on block, and they some times drop out of upB, upB doesn't even keep them there to combo the entire move. DKs biggest issue is having such a trash ground upB, side B in general, trash Fair, bad air downB, and bad air upB
@@sanchezo95 I’m referring to aerial spinning kong out of shield….its frame 7 and punish Meta Knight dash attack, and Fox dair for example…
He should be able to summon DK barrels to throw. Replace his forward B if you have to just give him that ability. He needs something like that in this day and age.
I agree with this. A barrel he can throw that drops and finds a surface and rolls at a speed relative to how long you charge the skill or something.
LOL did you play HDR? Because that's exactly what he does with down b there
@@ragnarokda206 I wonder if Diddy Kong will get a why everyone plays video????
No his ability is amazing mainly because of the super armor and burying the opponent.
Move his current forward B to his side smash and the current side smash if your opponent is already buried.
As a donkey Kong main by the way I feel sad that no one reallys plays him in high level despite him having some potential
There should be videos talk about "why not enough people plays" the characters. If we start encouraging people to explore more of the roster, then we might start seeing way more variety at at top level
11:03 "A snowball's chance in Hell" is a great phrase. I might start using that.
I feel like almost half the roster is in "why no one plays" with how often these vids pop up.
I remember once saying "Nobody plays them because the game's fucking dead" to one of these videos awhile back.
Ill never quit playing the funny monkey. He is bad but so damn fun
The way that I’ve played dk for years has been exactly to combat what you’re pointing out: dk doesn’t have the tools to apply safe pressure in neutral (with some notable exceptions). I usually play a lot campier and use his speed to maneuver around my opponents and play neutral slower and that seems to help for me
One interesting series of videos you could do might be tweaks/buffs you would do to "fix" mid and lower tier characters, like you've mentioned the barrel throw for DK, item durability for Robin, etc.
ridley spamming projectiles/ being able to force approaches? Maybe if he could cancel it or if it charged faster. by the time you can throw out one plasma ball, most opponents will be able to cover half the stage, and if you actually want to hit with it, you aren't using that more than half-stage distance away and charging at least 2-3. the plasma does beat out most projectiles, but it still can't be used out zone anyone who has at least one projectile. I could be wrong on that last point. I understand that you are trying to make your point about DK not having any range game, which is true, but I think you are giving Plasma too much credit.
Donkey Kong really needs a moveset rework. Not having any way to get out of combos or be able for force interaction in his favor is a death sentence.
DK is a beast in the right hands but he fat so he gets hit by quite literally everything.
One of the most fun character to play but at the same time one of the least since if you're opponent is good you'll just end up in combos at 444%.
DK has always been my favorite heavy. Nothing is more satisfying than pounding someone into the ground or landing a giant punch.
Mario the mushroom hero: (Laughs). X)
(Sees his his family and rivals as update fighters from rumors).
Mario the mushroom hero: Oh no! 8(
1:24 I’m glad he included that clip. One of my favourites of all time
Thank you for keep this series. Please please do why know one plays Mega Man and why everyone plays Mr. Game & Watch.
I love playing DK he’s a ton of fun. But bowser is a lot more fun imo
I'm suprised you didnt put more emphasis on his poor recovery. Donkey Kong's limited recovery options significantly impact his overall viability and contribute to his relatively low playrate. Unlike some other characters with versatile and far-reaching recovery moves, Donkey Kong's Up Special, the Spinning Kong, lacks both horizontal and vertical distance. This vulnerability makes him susceptible to edge-guarding, leaving him with fewer chances to recover safely and return to the stage. Players often prioritize characters with better recovery options, as survivability is crucial in the competitive scene, and Donkey Kong's struggle in this aspect diminishes his appeal compared to other fighters.
Bad recovery is only a big factor on characters prone to be drop off the ledge. Is not important for Arsene Joker because it's just too good at camping and killing, is not important for Cloud or Mythra because they have great tools for every situation, including disjointed sword moves, so they shouldn't drop off ledge often. It's important for DK because he's the easiest character to combo in the game.
As someone who plays DK regularly online I would say there are 2 big things that DK suffers from.
1. Recovering back on stage (esp online). Seriously, you can't even delay your up+B w/o dying. You can be 2 characters away from the platform and still die :(
Being unable to mix up your recovery options offstage is a big deal.
2. His weight. Combo food for DAYS. Top tier characters especially have a field day with him lol.
Other than that he is incredibly fun to play and has amazing on-stage options.
I really wish Sakurai wasn't so insistent on never changing the veterans all that much... What's the fun in playing the same moveset for two decades? Imagine if he DID have that barrel throwing attack! That would be incredible!
Good video! Another day of asking for a why no one plays Duck Hunt!!!
if we talk about dingdong for a moment, it's the sheer amount of people i see main him in online mode, certainly one of the most common characters in online, but in tournament, you never see him
Love the fact that dk summit is playing in the back ground 🤌🏼
Brawl Minus actually carried out the fix you mentioned by allowing DK to pick up a barrel by holding grounded Down B. It was a blast to play, and felt very appropriate.
I would love DK with a "roll barrel" special. I always like this series, Great video as always!
Maybe make a small chance for a banana, or something little to pop out of one if it makes contact.
One thing I love with DK. Taking the pink skin, grab my bro and die with him
vars is the eternal king of game meta content, and i will always watch a video that comes out, no doubt!
He's kind of a laughingstock among the League of Legends community right now, because he's been spewing out his own crappy opinion as though it were fact instead of doing legitimate research and asking questions.
@@CoronaMage I'm gonna be real with you chief, being disliked by League of Legends players is more of a plus than anything else. Like, you can put that shit on a resume.
@@hedgeyes6411 Being disliked by League of Legends players is one thing, but it's not the part you should care about. Vars has proven that he's the kind of person who is okay with posting his own crappy opinion as though it was meta-defining fact, without doing any research whatsoever. Literally all of his videos validity has come into question lately.
If it was Monday you would have titled this "Why EVERYONE Plays: Donkey Kong"
If DK had a better disadvantage he could be so much better, as in a lot of cases there isn’t much he can do except take the L
It would be cool if DK could use bananas like Diddy.
DK would be such a cool character if he had a barrel he could throw to force approaches. (I'd replace Headbutt with a barrel throw and I think that'd be great)
Wait you mentioned that later in the video anyway lmao
Idk about "No one", it's impossible to go an online session without seeing a few monkeys
This video series is speaking purely on COMPETITIVE play.
Charging his Donkey Punch is really the only way to make opponents come to you. Watching this video I was thinking that swapping his headbutt to a barrel toss would be perfect, only to find you make the exact same conclusion.
Dk is really underrated imo, but I feel like there isn’t much depth with dk.
Huge return
Dk aerial up b oos is frame 7. It isnt that amazing but it is an option and it helps a ton in certain matchups.
I think it’s amazing. If I can hit Meta Knight dash attack? Yeah I’m not complaining.
@@strikerali2160 I just wish it had a bigger initial hitbox or that it was slightly faster like frame 6 but I'm glad there is something. I have been using it a ton and it's probably the funniest out of shield move in the game.
I think a hood vid would be on kill confirms. If you look at the tier list, many in the lower regions have no easy or consistent kill confirms. The star of this vid was much better in the last game when he had a much better kill confirm and so was bowser. This doesn’t ring true for everyone but I feel as if it’s true for many.
thank you so much!
wtf is a "Spinning Kong"? I think you meant The Donkey Copter
That Tekken 8 Footage though, maybe you can start a Tekken 8 series of videos at some point if you’re into Tekken.
I main DK cuz imo he's the coolest character in the game, I don't care if he's bad, I'm actually glad, because he probably woulnd't be as fun if he was good
That venom mod goes crazy
I have always thought that if they gave him unique properties while holding the barrel that it makes absolutely no sense why side b isn't used to summon barrels. It just feels like the devs don't realize quite HOW underpowered some characters are particularly compared to the best of the best
I have no idea how you came to this conclusion when I face a donkey Kong player every other round.
Out of shield options.
Jab is 5 frames
Up tilt is 5 frames
Grab is 8 frames
Down tilt is 6 frames
Not bad. But yeah.. not the greatest.
Perfect Parry would help in defense alongside timing your attacks with theirs with armor moves (depends on what move and if you can land it as some attacks may be safe).
Perfect Parry will give you extra frames to land some moves safely if that time has arrived to do so. Even a grab at Ding Dong percent.
Or just wait your turn.
Edit: He also has some strings that can go into 0 to deaths. Like dash attack, dash attack into bairs. Not sure if it is a true combo string or not. But people tend to get hit by that at times. He can take stocks easily if you read your opponents and follow them the whole time through tech chases and more. Probably straight into having enough damage to be in Ding Dong percent. Then poof, there goes a stock. Armor is still love and life. Second hit of air down special is untechable. Then there are tricks here and there. Probably if the opponent can watch out for them or know how to deal with them. It probably becomes more irrelevant. Then again I have not tested them. But even those are situational.
Ganon’s grab is…yeaah
Why is he the only heavy with a bad grab game
Ive been playing DK since 64 mained him every game. Now I think he is very underrated in this game. His disadvantage is horrible I get it however is advantage is godlike, his grab game is top 5 giant punch kills really early if you can get downtilt to trip at 50 that’s pretty much a guaranteed stock if you have punch charged. Spinning kong oos is very underrated Chunky has a video on it beats moves like Fox’s dair and palus nair. I think DK is a solid mid tier middle of the pack but him being bottom 15 on every tier list is wack
What if he could roll a barrel that had the same frame data and melee range as his current side B, while also burrying, but it shot out a breakable projectile.
Could you make a why no one plays video on Diddy kong?
I wanna piss off my friend who mains him :)
DK is just to saucy
Hi vars what do you think about waluigi joining smash. I think it was suprising to se a new character Being added to the game but he looks like pretty fun character to me.
Donkey Kong is the greatest of all time and will beat anyone who is worse than you- Izaw
Everyone can zero to death DK yet hes not bottom teir. The wonders of ultimate.
VILLAGER VID when?
Well to be fair the OG DK isn't the current DK it was actually who is now Cranky Kong.
everyones got a pocket dk
12:13 I know I’m gonna be the real life equivalent of the nerd emoji with this, but this DK in smash is DK in donkey Kong country. The DK in the og donkey Kong is his great grandfather (I think?). Smash DK though should still have that neutral B of throwing barrels.
Except on Monday's...
People use the original donkey kong as reference to why he should throw barrels when the dk in the arcade game is the great grandfather of the dk in donkey kong country. the real reference is in donkey kong country where dk uses barrels of multiple kinds including standard barrels, buddy barrels, and explosive barrels. If he had a sora spell type of rotation in which ones were used would be cool. Standard barrels could be combo starters that have a set amount of hp, and explosive barrels could kill with 0.1 hp. Idk how the buddy barrel would work since diddy kong is his own character.
Nah, he should just have the normal barrels
imagine if DK had a barrel. that'd be amazing.
Imagine if DK had anything that remotely resembled his games
Respect the DK summit music choice
i miss being able to grab throw and upair consistently
Maybe if there was a brand new Donkey Kong game the monkey power would push DK higher in the tier list, sad reality is all we got is ports or games where he is the villain and loses.
I always believed DK needed some type of barrel projectile move.
Hopefully they reboot the series in the next game and redo character moves.
TLDW: He’s combo food
thoughts on the new smash bros tier list?
I love playing as DK, but I also agree that he has some of the worst defensive traits in the game. You really need to use your long monke arms to banana slam your opponent before they screw you up.
Min Min is absolutely DK's biggest weakness. DK simply is too slow and big to avoid those literal noodle arms from the ground or air.
why no one plays donkey kong? no banana slamma
"unsafe on hit"
Because he is combo food, the end
DK Rap intensifies
And there’s Chunky
*HE’S DEAD*
dk's moveset needs more lore
Try captain Falcon, i don't really know how he falls in usage ngl
Nurfing aggressive play always seems like a bad idea to me. Precision counter play should always be top tier but reserved for the highest skill levels. Well aggressive play should always be rewarding 90% of the time.
Donkey Kong is more than just big, he's intimidating, and I mean that literally. He's only intimidating if you let him bully you with his long range, good mobility, and decent boxing speed.
But if you're not scared of him you'll take note of his short back air.
His big, meaty, NON-DISJOINTED hitboxes are also his hurt boxes and you should either contest them with a REAL disjoint, a fireball which will clash (giving you frame advantage) or win, or make him regret it by trading with a smash attack.
Also notice how he has no range in the air, force out the forward air and punish or keep poking him from the sky, he'll up smash eventually.
The only thing left of note is his speed and that's hampered by being a big dumb gorilla
Can you do why nobody plays The Belmonts?
He got lost in the sauce
What about Chunky Kong? Is he not a pro Smash player who uses DK?
talk about paceman next
i just wish his arm had intangibility on giant punch
Can you please do villager next I literally see no one play him besides myself
Idk about you folks, but DK is one of my main characters. You gotta make use of their pros to make up for their cons.
Seems like everyone plays him when I go online though.
Idk what this guy is talking about… monkey Monday Is literally right there
12:11 stating that throwing barrels is canonical is an insult to the community.
Can you please do Corrin
Fun as hell tho
These Steve mains getting out of hand
I meant do why no one plays Luigi tomorrow please
He is made to be funny, not to be good
Funny can still translate into being good. Trust in Monke
I love donkey kong.
dk is super common what do you mean no one plays?