Keener was one of the most intelligent villains in any Tom Clancy games since the mid 2000s, I was hooked on his story since Division 1. I hate they killed him for the extremely boring Sokolova character 😔
Keener is definitely one of the more memorable characters in the Division universe. It sucks how they handled him in Warlords of New York, but hopefully they can treat him a bit better in the upcoming season. And yes, Keener has always been right.
Well, I think he kinda had to die--he was a great foil/overarching bigbad for us over the course of Division 1 and even in Division 2 with the audio comms he left around DC, but if he wasn't out of the picture *somehow* then we'd have kept hunting him forever and Black Tusk would have rolled right the hell over us.
With all that we know now, I am just wondering why Keener was not found and killed by hunters before we could even pinpoint his location. He was the roguest of them all and yet the unit specifically designed to take out rogue agents is not the one dispatching him..
Maybe Cal didn’t want to put his hunters up against keener because of his good combat and high skill of manipulation. Cal gets pissed that we kill his hunters so I think holding off was his idea let Natalia’s men die trying instead
Cal probably don't think Keener as a threat. Or he is concern about his hunter being turned by Keener. Of course, there's also the possibility of the whole hunter being the third wave thing is just an afterthought.
Considering his skills and his Rogue allies, sending the Hunters in would heavily cripple Cal's wetwork force. Keener is easily Hunter+ on the powerscale with his combat expertise, abundant SHD tech disposal and extremely powerful allies. I don't think Cal would be dumb enough to waste resources on Keener ESPECIALLY when us, the Sheriff, who is easily the most feared combatant in lore was already gunning for him. Cal was smart enough to just let us and Keener wore each other out before swooping in for the ez kill.
I'm not talking about "final-form-Keener". I'm talking about him when he steered in the wrong for the first time. He didn't have all his puppets when he went rogue, but his steps were already known to be going in the worst possible direction. This is when a squad of 4 hunters could have killed him without breaking a sweat.
I've been thinking about the recruiter. What if he was a Division agent recruiter instead of a Hunter recruiter? What if he was sent to find agents he recruited? Who better than him? What if Keener is the only protection the Division had against the hunters? "You have no idea what you've done." Are his last words. Vanguard is a shield or protecter isn't it? I am very excited about season 3
Next season is literally called Vanguard. Keener's callsign. I have a feeling were also gonna be waking up sleeping beauty this season. It seems like a perfect time to do it. Keener dead, Lau dead, and Shafer is the wild card for Lau. And if your theory of Lau and Kenner talking to each other is correct, then Shafer definitely knows what Keener's true intentions were
Getting to know Keener's motivations way after the fact in audio logs doesn't make me sympathize with his cause. He very well could have allowed himself to be captured, but he didn't. He wanted to hurt fast and hard. The missile on Liberty Island, imo, felt like it was more a surgical strike like the rocket the blew up our agent's helicopter in TD1 opening. Maybe we will find out he had Theo unlock Isac, Ana, and Diamond and so he was able to know exactly what was going on and where Calvin was. Maybe we'll find out the missile was going to attack a Natalia and Calvin meeting and our agent stopped it?
@@edvarduz I didn’t think Kelso would be rogue though… unless they are going to pull the “ole switcheroo” with cal and nat taking control of the division so they would be the bad guys and the rogues would be the good guys with the better AI in Anna storyline
They’re probably gonna try and find a way to canonically justify his huge shift in character that would eventually get him killed in WoNY. I have my serious doubts about them being able to successfully pull it off, but I’ll admit, I’d start smiling like an idiot if we’ll get brand new comms with brand new voice lines from Keener and his original VO. Edit: I SERIOUSLY hope they won’t make it so it’ll be like “ACTUALLY, keener WANTED to be killed! It was part of his grand scheme!” That would be very unbelievable and kind of stupid, but maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am
imo itd be dumb if that was part of the plan for the beginning, however it'd be believable if that ended up being part of the plan once he realized the division is too focused on locating and neutralizing him than the threat he believes is bigger than him
The only way it makes sense is that something caused him to accelerate the time table. A WONY comms series actually shows Keener helping out a civilian so its not like he completely lost it.
Now, knowing about the hidden city; it's possible that it was his target. Birdie made mention about how the plans showed short cuts were made on the building of it. Kener probably saw an overlooked means to deliver his virus to prevent such a safe space from being used if they got the football. Honestly speaking, the New York and Brooklyn underground areas would be a great place to set up a community as it comes already pre-made in the form of interconnected WW2 bunkers. Of which had to have huge pumps installed because of water table issues.
There is a lot to unpack here, but I would guess that, despite all of the comms that we've heard that ISAC intercepts, we really have very little information on a lot of what happened between different characters in the game - whether, for example, Keener ever had interactions with someone like Faye Lau, in the days leading up to what happened on Liberty Island. One thing I do agree on is that I'm sure Keener knew more than we do. Whatever it was that Theo was able to achieve by making ANNA available to Rogues operating with Keener, I'm sure he found a lot more than we've learned. After all, when Keener's Rogues show up in the Operation Crossroads saga, they definitely seem to know more about the way that ISAC, ANNA, and Diamond work than your average Division Agent. And that's likely based on information which is at least a year old. I also agree that the way Keener went down didn't make much sense. Keener triggered an attack on Castle Clinton using the Eclipse virus and it killed almost everyone there in fairly short order, leaving a contaminated mess that could impact us even wearing the protective gear we have as Division agents. And, while I'm sure the payload on the missile on Liberty Island was significant, it was in no way big enough to impact everyone in NYC. As you pointed out, Eclipse kills almost instantly. The whole thing about the Green Poison is that people got sick and then it spread everywhere during that incubation period. Eclipse doesn't work that way as you said. The big challenge that militaries have had with chemical weapon delivery is in creating a dense enough concentration. Obviously with newer chemicals that may not be as significant a challenge, as the Iraquis proved in the Iran-Iraq war, but to cover a broad area you need multiple delivery systems, not one missile. But, what if the target of the missile was something that happened to be in NYC? Something that would allow Keener to get even further ahead? Something for which the comment he makes, "you don't know what you've done", would make more sense? What if the target of the missile was the Black Tusk HQ Bunker? While we know that Nat has been out and about in more recent months, largely because we've been killing off her lieutenants, maybe that wasn't the case during the WONY timeframe? Putting the eclipse virus on the BT HQ might have had an ENORMOUS impact on BT capabilities - perhaps the group that Keener regarded as the biggest REAL threat to his plans. You suggested that Keener intended to draw us in to highlight the bigger real threat to the Division, but if the missile had been launched at the BT HQ, and just impacting the area around that, it would have very much highlighted that Keener isn't working directly against the Division, but is working to prevent a bigger threat. (That said, the fact that the missile is sitting by a dock on the edge of Liberty Island in easy sight and shooting range of the BT Hovercraft makes ZERO sense that they couldn't have just shot the thing apart.) All this would make the activities on Liberty Island make more sense. BT is throwing everything they happen to have in the NYC area at Liberty Island as they've realised what Keener is planning. But they only have so much to hand. And while we saw Faye communicating with Schaeffer following Keener's death, I got the feeling long before we found that Schaeffer was working with Faye that he was actually setting things up for Division assets to take out BT crews - for example at Camp White Oak and at Manning National Zoo with the "competition". What makes less sense in this scenario is what Hornet and Jupiter executed following Keener's death. These attacks seemed to be more directly targeted at the Division, particularly Jupiter, although I suppose Hornet attacking Tidal Basin could have been more BT focused although we'd already taken Tidal Basin from BT at that point. Also, the rogues that are encountered in The Division: Compromised seem to be more focused on Keener's original mission of releasing the Eclipse virus in a more general attack. But, the fact that they had quantities of the virus stored in the Houston area doesn't mean that they were planning to use it against civilian targets. They could have been focused on BT targets. Plenty of them around, after all. Going back to Keener though, his death on Liberty Island made little sense. It was, in many ways, "too easy" an end to the DLC. Keener had BT running in circles, and also effectively avoided Hunters that I'm sure Cal was sending after him. Because, in the secret Hunter comms we get after Johnson dies, we know that Cal keeps directing Johnson back to Keener's rogues as better examples of targets for Hunters than Kelso. Kajika, Dragov, and Conley. Which suggests to me that he was trying to get to them and Keener and Keener was staying ahead. After all, none of the comms we get from any of that seem to indicate any fear of the Hunters. Why? Because Keener was steps ahead of the competition, and with his advanced SHD Tech maybe his skills weren't hackable by the Hunters. It would certainly explain why he couldn't be tracked down, although the rogue Agents in Division: Hunted certainly seemed to be impacted by the same jamming that regular agents were. Although Maira's skills couldn't be hacked by the Hunter and he had to flee from them. There's also something to the fact that Keener was a first wave agent and possibly had more insight on Cal than some of the later activated waves. Certainly with Conley having worked at Ortiz Robotics and being one of the first agents recruited it would make sense that Keener had heard things about Cal that we wouldn't have heard. Although Conley doesn't really strike me as someone to sit around story telling over drinks with Keener. Still, you never know. What we learned is that Johnson did training with Conley, and Johnson was a Hunter. In fact, we pretty much know that all the Hunters are Division Agents at this point. Did Conley know this? Hunters were obviously supposed to never talk, but someone must have speculated as to who they were and where they got their equipment from. Keener is exactly the sort of person to have been putting some of this together, if only to protect himself. I wonder if in the upcoming season we are trying to track down Keener's secret information stash - something similar to how J Edgar Hoover had a secret set of files on everyone. Information that would help us better understand his real goals, and just who he regarded as threats to his plans. Things that would provide more insight on what he'd been tracking between Cal and Nat, and that he was perhaps ahead of them as well. And yes, it would be very interesting if Keener was still alive, but that speculation doesn't seem to align with everything that's been in the story since. I guess we'll find out more soon!
Was so much hoping they we were to choose sides after WoNY, either join Keener or stay with the "infiltrated SHD", would have provided an interessting back/forth world with 2 sides captures zones and perhaps a rewamp to the DZ, with friendæies and hostile factions inside the pvp too... Keener was the hero we needed not the hero we deserved...
I want to know who he knew in the government. He found out something and worked with maybe Clare or McManus for a short time. He found a partner but didn't trust them. He probably killed hunters who were agents, that's why they never came for them.
9:40 I think that Fay Lau was a distraction so keener could leave the island / hide away for now. Since his revive hive does infact turn on as we leave.
The theory I have maintained since Warlords is that WE DID NOT KILL Keener; we killed a true believer in Keener’s cause who acted as a “cutout”. A “cutout” in espionage parlance is agent who functions as an intermediary between a spymaster and other subagents. Keener recruited this guy to act as him, run this false flag op to get the Division’s attention, and when they died in the process, it wasn't all part of the plan. The only thing I think Keener actually needed from the story of Warlords was the Rogue network and replacing Keener’s biometrics in ISAC so he could operate with everyone thinking he was died.
If keener was just straightforward with us, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill him. I’m hoping this next season will give us more insight into the ANNA network.
Was keener not a Wallstreet trader? As someone that dealt with numbers, I feel like he could see where the money was going and make judgements about who might be doing what. Like Sokolova dumping huge amounts of money into a robotics company. Just a thought there, assuming my memory is correct.
Maybe I'm reaching here, but the Keener from WONY almost looks like a different person than the Keener from The Division 1. They definitely look very "similar" but it really doesn't look like the same person. Granted, this might entirely be due to different people working on the character model but it's also slightly possible (albeit highly far fetched) that Keener used Theo's facial recognition hack from the Tombs mission to change what ISAC recognizes as Keener's likeness. It'd be an interesting twist to say the least.
It does make me wonder. Maybe the eclipse missle was meant to hit an installation. Black Tusk HQ? The ground above the Underground City? Who knows? Reminds me of the dynamic between Foxhound and the Patriots back in Metal Gear Solid when Liquid was plotting his strike.
Agent Kelso should've been there with us in the battle against Keener, even if just as an unkillable NPC that only did reduced damage to him. She's a great character, her voice actress is amazing and she should have more presence in the story and during gameplay segments.
8:50, this just made me have a realization, with the new descent comms, McManus was in New York doing the outbreak and was panicking, maybe through that panic state he said something and Keener overheard it, or some paperwork (digital or not) got left behind in a hurry and Keener stumbled upon it? I really want the first wave to be explored upon more because in the first game they implied very heavily that the first wave was very important to the story and lore
Actually, I find it quite sad that most of the antagonists in Tom Clancy series, division or ghost recon, are written better than "good" characters, and Ubisoft just drops them down the drain all the time. I hated killing Keener, because, despite his methods, he had motivation and reasons to act. It would be a sick move if ubi allowed us to side with him in the end of warlords.
I stated before that it would’ve been funny if Isaac was hacked to confirm Keeners demise and right before the agents caught up to him he took a chemical agent that would slow down his vitals to the point of being presumed dead by Issac. I know….. I know it sounds crazy…..but man that would be mind blowing for the Division storyline ⭕️
Great video and i am excited to see what this week has in store for us! I really like dthe part where you allueded to the fact that maybe Faye and Keener DID have a conversation before we killed him on liberty island. The fact that Keener's influence is still around means exciting things ahead. I still wanna believe he's out there somewhere hiding...
Im wondering how the division 3 will tie into the story (if it will) as supposedly its from the perspective of a first wave agent and as we know keener was also a first wave agent
Aaron Keener is a very astute guy. Having a rogue team lineup and creating a setup plan to rid of other factions. He thought "smarter" not "harder" and also were 10 steps ahead of everyone. ✨✨ I think also he was trying to warn "The Division" but they were ignoring all signs. Lau knew and this was her GREAT OPTION to side with Keener since this was a "losing war." ✨✨ Thank you for the awesome video! Continue your great breakdowns! 😎✨✨✨
I have a little bit over a year of playing D2. One thing i wish they'd do is work in a little bit more story telling cut scenes into every stage of the seasons. Im really looking forward to the learning more of the story this season.
A good story they could explore is exactly how they track the agents without the watches. They could come up with a pre story of them being a tracked via under the skin implanted GPS chips. Just a more scientific approach to explore.
Wait, when WoNY dropped, D2 wasn't really planning on more content. It was supposed to be the end of D2, as far as THAT storyline. Then within a year or so they switched gears and decided more content was coming. Am I misremembering?
After coming off the reveal of “Cassandra” bro you gotta be working on the story, or have someone inside is telling you. There’s no way you got that shit pretty much spot on with the meeting of the minds so to speak as to avoid spoiling it for others.
I remember the last mission in the DLC, and talking to my buddy about how I kinda relate to/understand keener. The scariest villains/enemies, are the ones that make sense.
Dear fellow Agents of SHD. I am not sorry but I would have been labelled "Rogue" by I.S.A.C. long time ago. The Division as a unit has lost its way! Who is our leader? Who is in charge? Who do we take our structure from? The whole things is a mess. This is ex agent Wooizm signing off.............. last of the first wave of agents.......
Like someone said in the comments before. What we know now and knowing what the hunters im a very surprised that keener wasnt hunted. He is literally the rogue of all rogues and how they didnt hunt him down im very surprised. Wouldnt be suprised if we become label as rogue next season. Us and kelso. Cant wait love the story in division and another great video @ngn 👌
Ur statement is somewhat correct,or maybe keener left something for us to know the real enemy,that why his watch stated Cassandra was reactivated to follow some breadcrumbs to claim a prize.But can’t wait for couple weeks and maybe resurgence might have some lore in it too ;)
Maybe mate. Im just hoping we get clues or some insight in how he managed to avoid the hunters. Just hoping also kelso dont go rogue or becomes a hunter 🙏
Trying to pin some good intentions on an egomaniacal, self-serving, self-righteous, master manipulator, is troubling, to say the least. A guy who just wanted to see most of society burn, and rule over whoever or whatever remained. What did Varys say about Littlefinger, in Game of Thrones? "He would see this country burn, if he could be king of the ashes."
Exactly. The game literally made Keener try to launch a missile with a bloody bioweapon that would be even worse than the Money Flu on what remained of New York City if he wasnt stopped, and trying to make him out as some kind of misunderstood superhero warrior is a complete distortion of the entire story. What is appalling is that this video had any kind of positive feedback at all instead of being called out as whitewashing a very specifically designated villain.
If the rogues use ANNA then what do the Hunters use? Season 05 is going to bring in some interesting bits. Keener wasn’t a villain. He knew something that everyone else didn’t
As far as I Remember, his Eclipse was designed to phase through air filters, witch is why breathing masks don't help as much as they should. So maybe his missle was aimed for Sokolova's Bunker. If it hit the Air supply, it could phase through the filters and still kill everyone inside. That would explain the BT-Involvement. So either he succeeded in destroying the BT-Bunker, or he gets killed by an Agend, what leads to the agends see the bigger picture. Both way's would play in Keeners favour
I knew something off after i finally beat Kenner almost like when i first heard when said"you won't stop what's coming"Almost like he's was trying to warn ALL of us.but now it's FAR to late and we have a War to win,and he was Right.but it still does not mean we have job to do..we need to Find ANNA.and wake up Baron as soon as possible.We have them on our side..we may have a fighting chance.
Division I was and is one of my all-time favorite games and storylines ... and I've been "in the game" for decades. There are "rumors" that certain launches in and around 2020 were made to be problematic if there was a "too close to target" assessment of some of those games undertones. Keener and certain aspects such as Dark Winter might have been part of that equation in that time frame. Regardless, when I completed Liberty Island, I quit Division forever and divorced Ubi
Keener’s death always felt like the team being asked to give a big splash to the DLC as a last big hurrah for Div2. It really felt like they were going to put it on ice. Then they turned things slowly around and revitalized it. So this all feels like a bit of retro-active re-work. And I’m happy for it! But it was definitely a too-quick end for his character. I hope they can weave him into things in an interesting way.
Div 2 really need another keener, someone that is actually on the field making moves unlike sokolova and the other guy just sitting on their lab testing shits.
Came back to the game yesterday, fought keener today and was disappointed. My active thought was: "this cant be it". And then he shocks you, runs away and dies. How pathetic.
One of the only parts I disliked about WoNY was that we had to ice Keener at the end. I think he might be in the top ten shadow threats of all time. When he was in the shadows taunting us I really developed a dislike of the man. Now Nat is in the shadows and thinking several moves ahead of us. While I enjoy that I kind of would have liked to see Nat and Keener playing us like a twisted game of chess.. which might be what we get.
Its a shame that tom clancy bit the bullet,but interestingly,the division seems to be one of the last of the games with his name that remembers what he wrote
I feel like keener helped set up the division and help train the agents and hunter program. Then he started to hear McManus was working with a pmc, keener was then activated and McManus pulls the jtf to eliminated a loose end and leave keener and his crew to die.
Keener was asking us "who can you trust?" Remember that some our agents in division can be hunters. He knew all too well. As for his tech. It's not shd. It's rogue tech. Keener was able to use ANNA, to hack warhounds and quad-copper to take full control. Not to mention he was able to completely shutdown our skills. I think he was trying to show us this and bigger picture of what was going on with black tusk and McManus. He also has agents in black tusk, but don't know who. I had similar thoughts about the payload and where he was targeting. Maybe haven... not sure.
Nice to see my own thoughts on all this validated. I've been saying for a long time now that I think Keener may have been right, and the big twist will be that we shouldn't have offed him. There's still the gigantic mystery of what the F happened with our Div 1 Agent as well, whom Keener took great personal interest in, almost like he was grooming them.
i think Keener is a Hunter embedded in the Division and then went Rogue, he uses people and disposes of them with little regard. Hunters are solitary operators and as we have seen with others are adept at using Factions and Division to advance their goals
Theo isn’t dead changed himself in the system again and keener isn’t dead we removed his watch before he died so how is it supposed to read his vitals if it’s not on
With how often the Division gets its tech hacked, stolen, or nullified I'd say they deserve to fall, nothing shows it better than the recruiter manhunt ending mission.
The good thing is they could always have it where keener took something to fake his death to get out of the way of black tusk and the division chasing him down. It would make sense with that since he acted like he lost it and that was completely out of character, hopefully the devs make that loophole because otherwise this game will be just another military esque shooter which is okay but division 1 had a different ferl regardless of lmb and everything now its just robo dogs and everything that just makes the game lose its identity it had in the first game. No dread, no atmospher, just another government coup type story. Maybe thats just me but they need to get back to that style and bring back keener and the fact he outsmarted everyone by faking his death because he wouldnt go down so easily.
I’VE BEEN SAYING IT FROM THE BEGINNING……KEENER WAS ALWAYS RIGHT. I’ve felt for a long time that people in the higher-ups were WAITING for something like this to go down, so that they could utilize the Division to retake control. Keener was onto that shit the moment the JTF pulled out and left them for dead.
With this new season, im almost scared cause if we find out my girl Kelso is rouge or something and becomes a target my heart might break, she is my favorite Agent in all of the known lore of the Division franchise.
I think faye lou is not dead. I bet that missle was intended for the black tusk bunker. That was once it hit the virus would kill them quickly even if the blast didn't.
Great vid as usual A few things. First, how did Keener/Theo get/find ANNA? Second, we already know why Fae went Rogue (her sister was killed, but she was also working under cover within Black Tusk. Though i personally dont remember why or to what end) is it possible she fed Keener information (including where or how to get ANNA?) Next, At the end of WLoNY we know Keeners target was DC (but why?) Also Keener was always arrogant, and narcissistic. Definitely a "type A personality" but him going Rogue then staying 2 steps a head of the Division, kinda made him go overboard. I think he knew what was really going on, and he eventually realized he couldnt do it alone (or had gotten as far as he could) This isnt intended to be a bashing post, just to voice some ideas
it's a headhunter build. go with 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest piece, airaldi backpack with vigilance. put "determined" talent on your sniper. when you get the first shot and a headshot kill, all next shots count as headshot because of determined as long as you are killing enemies with 1 shot. headhunter talent on chainkiller will increase your headshot dmg by each headshot kill
So I've been wandering, maybe I'm miss remebering but don't all of Keeners plans seem pretty much the Hunter's plans but half done? I was listening to Birdy talk, abd jt feels like Blacktusk and the Hunters are trying to do a Vandal Savage move, creating a new world order. But Keener whos steps ahead of everyone is making the attacks and showing us how to break it, also our share stupidity frustrates him.
This reminds me that we became traitor agents in the dark zone, for a few minutes we became traitors after activating the traitor status!, which in the game's lore put this option! I know it was the developers! But within the game, without thinking about the devs, which key person in the game put this traitor agent option! This would be a beta version of Isaac, for testing, to deal with age! We shouldn't have killed Aaron Keener or the Recruiter, we should have had the option to talk, arrest them, and the recruit was right that we became traitors when we joined Kelso! Bryan knew that we don't act impulsively! Or we were manipulated by her, she is from the CIA and must have torture and manipulation tricks and techniques! I would want to learn more about what Faye was up to with Schaeffer if she were alive.
@@b3ardedragon921 the point of the WONY expansion was that it "gave rogues" a network to use their tech with, then they retconned it... like what was the point of parnel now, since he basically did nothing?
@@jsullivan649 when did they retcon it though? I'm confused. Theo Parnell creating the rogue network literally helped the cast of the books achieve their mission when the shd network went down.
@@b3ardedragon921 in the descent coms, an agent lost access to her tech and died because she broke into a pharmacy looking for meds since she was injured. McManus complained to Claire, and they made it so even if an agent is rogue, they do not lose access to their tech now. So Theo “building the rogue network” so they can use their tech… is redundant since they can use their tech anyways.
The core principle of the Division was specifically to ensure the continuity of government, not to serve the people or to be heroic vigilantes. They were special operatives given carte blanche with their operations and told to make sure the job was done and that order was enforced and maintained so what's left of the JTF can take control. If someone was an obstacle preventing government control then they were to be eliminated and the morality of such decisions didn't matter, its just overshadowed by the fact that they wrote the game to where you aren't really forced to make ethically questionable decisions and all the people you fight are clearly "evil" or "wrong" in one form or another.
Keener was one of the most intelligent villains in any Tom Clancy games since the mid 2000s, I was hooked on his story since Division 1. I hate they killed him for the extremely boring Sokolova character 😔
He's not dead
@@Slickjack80 care to enlighten on how keener isnt packed up cause the agents(us) did take out keener unless theres something i dont know of
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Keener is definitely one of the more memorable characters in the Division universe. It sucks how they handled him in Warlords of New York, but hopefully they can treat him a bit better in the upcoming season. And yes, Keener has always been right.
Well, I think he kinda had to die--he was a great foil/overarching bigbad for us over the course of Division 1 and even in Division 2 with the audio comms he left around DC, but if he wasn't out of the picture *somehow* then we'd have kept hunting him forever and Black Tusk would have rolled right the hell over us.
He had to die so we can focus on something bigger
I all ways thought kennier was on to something
How they gonna treat him better? His corpse is rotting on Liberty Island.
@whackronomicon maybe they'll give him a nice funeral?
With all that we know now, I am just wondering why Keener was not found and killed by hunters before we could even pinpoint his location. He was the roguest of them all and yet the unit specifically designed to take out rogue agents is not the one dispatching him..
Maybe Cal didn’t want to put his hunters up against keener because of his good combat and high skill of manipulation. Cal gets pissed that we kill his hunters so I think holding off was his idea let Natalia’s men die trying instead
Cal probably don't think Keener as a threat. Or he is concern about his hunter being turned by Keener. Of course, there's also the possibility of the whole hunter being the third wave thing is just an afterthought.
Considering his skills and his Rogue allies, sending the Hunters in would heavily cripple Cal's wetwork force. Keener is easily Hunter+ on the powerscale with his combat expertise, abundant SHD tech disposal and extremely powerful allies. I don't think Cal would be dumb enough to waste resources on Keener ESPECIALLY when us, the Sheriff, who is easily the most feared combatant in lore was already gunning for him. Cal was smart enough to just let us and Keener wore each other out before swooping in for the ez kill.
I'm not talking about "final-form-Keener". I'm talking about him when he steered in the wrong for the first time. He didn't have all his puppets when he went rogue, but his steps were already known to be going in the worst possible direction. This is when a squad of 4 hunters could have killed him without breaking a sweat.
Keener: I'm not the agent the Division needs. I'm the agent the Division deserves.
I would say more of a redhood than batman, after all he did team up with a PMC, then betrayed them, then some months down the road became a anti-hero
I've been thinking about the recruiter. What if he was a Division agent recruiter instead of a Hunter recruiter? What if he was sent to find agents he recruited? Who better than him? What if Keener is the only protection the Division had against the hunters? "You have no idea what you've done." Are his last words. Vanguard is a shield or protecter isn't it? I am very excited about season 3
Ubisoft makes good villians, but makes somewhat now bad games
The division franchise is the exception of a bad game. I love the division 1 and 2.
Keener : I'm not a Division Agent I am the Division
Next season is literally called Vanguard. Keener's callsign. I have a feeling were also gonna be waking up sleeping beauty this season. It seems like a perfect time to do it. Keener dead, Lau dead, and Shafer is the wild card for Lau. And if your theory of Lau and Kenner talking to each other is correct, then Shafer definitely knows what Keener's true intentions were
What if keener isn’t dead
@@wilsonsantiago3095that would be very dumb
@@caingamin2how so?
@@caingamin2extremely dumb
@@wilsonsantiago3095he is dead he bled out in front of us
Getting to know Keener's motivations way after the fact in audio logs doesn't make me sympathize with his cause. He very well could have allowed himself to be captured, but he didn't. He wanted to hurt fast and hard. The missile on Liberty Island, imo, felt like it was more a surgical strike like the rocket the blew up our agent's helicopter in TD1 opening. Maybe we will find out he had Theo unlock Isac, Ana, and Diamond and so he was able to know exactly what was going on and where Calvin was. Maybe we'll find out the missile was going to attack a Natalia and Calvin meeting and our agent stopped it?
Next season is keeners call sign. I hope Theo switched his facial recognition and keeners still alive and try’s recruiting us and gives us Ana
Wizard
@@edvarduz I didn’t think Kelso would be rogue though… unless they are going to pull the “ole switcheroo” with cal and nat taking control of the division so they would be the bad guys and the rogues would be the good guys with the better AI in Anna storyline
Boy do I have news for you pal
They’re probably gonna try and find a way to canonically justify his huge shift in character that would eventually get him killed in WoNY. I have my serious doubts about them being able to successfully pull it off, but I’ll admit, I’d start smiling like an idiot if we’ll get brand new comms with brand new voice lines from Keener and his original VO.
Edit: I SERIOUSLY hope they won’t make it so it’ll be like “ACTUALLY, keener WANTED to be killed! It was part of his grand scheme!”
That would be very unbelievable and kind of stupid, but maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am
imo itd be dumb if that was part of the plan for the beginning, however it'd be believable if that ended up being part of the plan once he realized the division is too focused on locating and neutralizing him than the threat he believes is bigger than him
The only way it makes sense is that something caused him to accelerate the time table. A WONY comms series actually shows Keener helping out a civilian so its not like he completely lost it.
Now, knowing about the hidden city; it's possible that it was his target.
Birdie made mention about how the plans showed short cuts were made on the building of it. Kener probably saw an overlooked means to deliver his virus to prevent such a safe space from being used if they got the football.
Honestly speaking, the New York and Brooklyn underground areas would be a great place to set up a community as it comes already pre-made in the form of interconnected WW2 bunkers. Of which had to have huge pumps installed because of water table issues.
Also it could be McManus's bunker where he was hiding during division 1.
@@kk-gr3lyat ground zero what are the odds the bunker is gonna be in the dark zone in midtown where it all started
@@patriotamerican3426 Back to the dark zone denizen of hell that was Midtown.... dear god that was creepy at night
So, a bit like one of the Descent areas...
There is a lot to unpack here, but I would guess that, despite all of the comms that we've heard that ISAC intercepts, we really have very little information on a lot of what happened between different characters in the game - whether, for example, Keener ever had interactions with someone like Faye Lau, in the days leading up to what happened on Liberty Island.
One thing I do agree on is that I'm sure Keener knew more than we do. Whatever it was that Theo was able to achieve by making ANNA available to Rogues operating with Keener, I'm sure he found a lot more than we've learned. After all, when Keener's Rogues show up in the Operation Crossroads saga, they definitely seem to know more about the way that ISAC, ANNA, and Diamond work than your average Division Agent. And that's likely based on information which is at least a year old.
I also agree that the way Keener went down didn't make much sense. Keener triggered an attack on Castle Clinton using the Eclipse virus and it killed almost everyone there in fairly short order, leaving a contaminated mess that could impact us even wearing the protective gear we have as Division agents. And, while I'm sure the payload on the missile on Liberty Island was significant, it was in no way big enough to impact everyone in NYC. As you pointed out, Eclipse kills almost instantly. The whole thing about the Green Poison is that people got sick and then it spread everywhere during that incubation period. Eclipse doesn't work that way as you said. The big challenge that militaries have had with chemical weapon delivery is in creating a dense enough concentration. Obviously with newer chemicals that may not be as significant a challenge, as the Iraquis proved in the Iran-Iraq war, but to cover a broad area you need multiple delivery systems, not one missile.
But, what if the target of the missile was something that happened to be in NYC? Something that would allow Keener to get even further ahead? Something for which the comment he makes, "you don't know what you've done", would make more sense? What if the target of the missile was the Black Tusk HQ Bunker? While we know that Nat has been out and about in more recent months, largely because we've been killing off her lieutenants, maybe that wasn't the case during the WONY timeframe? Putting the eclipse virus on the BT HQ might have had an ENORMOUS impact on BT capabilities - perhaps the group that Keener regarded as the biggest REAL threat to his plans. You suggested that Keener intended to draw us in to highlight the bigger real threat to the Division, but if the missile had been launched at the BT HQ, and just impacting the area around that, it would have very much highlighted that Keener isn't working directly against the Division, but is working to prevent a bigger threat. (That said, the fact that the missile is sitting by a dock on the edge of Liberty Island in easy sight and shooting range of the BT Hovercraft makes ZERO sense that they couldn't have just shot the thing apart.)
All this would make the activities on Liberty Island make more sense. BT is throwing everything they happen to have in the NYC area at Liberty Island as they've realised what Keener is planning. But they only have so much to hand. And while we saw Faye communicating with Schaeffer following Keener's death, I got the feeling long before we found that Schaeffer was working with Faye that he was actually setting things up for Division assets to take out BT crews - for example at Camp White Oak and at Manning National Zoo with the "competition".
What makes less sense in this scenario is what Hornet and Jupiter executed following Keener's death. These attacks seemed to be more directly targeted at the Division, particularly Jupiter, although I suppose Hornet attacking Tidal Basin could have been more BT focused although we'd already taken Tidal Basin from BT at that point. Also, the rogues that are encountered in The Division: Compromised seem to be more focused on Keener's original mission of releasing the Eclipse virus in a more general attack. But, the fact that they had quantities of the virus stored in the Houston area doesn't mean that they were planning to use it against civilian targets. They could have been focused on BT targets. Plenty of them around, after all.
Going back to Keener though, his death on Liberty Island made little sense. It was, in many ways, "too easy" an end to the DLC. Keener had BT running in circles, and also effectively avoided Hunters that I'm sure Cal was sending after him. Because, in the secret Hunter comms we get after Johnson dies, we know that Cal keeps directing Johnson back to Keener's rogues as better examples of targets for Hunters than Kelso. Kajika, Dragov, and Conley. Which suggests to me that he was trying to get to them and Keener and Keener was staying ahead. After all, none of the comms we get from any of that seem to indicate any fear of the Hunters. Why? Because Keener was steps ahead of the competition, and with his advanced SHD Tech maybe his skills weren't hackable by the Hunters. It would certainly explain why he couldn't be tracked down, although the rogue Agents in Division: Hunted certainly seemed to be impacted by the same jamming that regular agents were. Although Maira's skills couldn't be hacked by the Hunter and he had to flee from them.
There's also something to the fact that Keener was a first wave agent and possibly had more insight on Cal than some of the later activated waves. Certainly with Conley having worked at Ortiz Robotics and being one of the first agents recruited it would make sense that Keener had heard things about Cal that we wouldn't have heard. Although Conley doesn't really strike me as someone to sit around story telling over drinks with Keener. Still, you never know. What we learned is that Johnson did training with Conley, and Johnson was a Hunter. In fact, we pretty much know that all the Hunters are Division Agents at this point. Did Conley know this? Hunters were obviously supposed to never talk, but someone must have speculated as to who they were and where they got their equipment from. Keener is exactly the sort of person to have been putting some of this together, if only to protect himself.
I wonder if in the upcoming season we are trying to track down Keener's secret information stash - something similar to how J Edgar Hoover had a secret set of files on everyone. Information that would help us better understand his real goals, and just who he regarded as threats to his plans. Things that would provide more insight on what he'd been tracking between Cal and Nat, and that he was perhaps ahead of them as well. And yes, it would be very interesting if Keener was still alive, but that speculation doesn't seem to align with everything that's been in the story since.
I guess we'll find out more soon!
Was so much hoping they we were to choose sides after WoNY, either join Keener or stay with the "infiltrated SHD", would have provided an interessting back/forth world with 2 sides captures zones and perhaps a rewamp to the DZ, with friendæies and hostile factions inside the pvp too...
Keener was the hero we needed not the hero we deserved...
That would be sick
Mannnn I would’ve easily became a rogue agent with Keener
@@joshuamartinez6381 yep, me too 😎
Keener was indeed right
After yesterday I don’t know who to follow anymore
@@cronx6167
Follow what you know to be right
I want to know who he knew in the government. He found out something and worked with maybe Clare or McManus for a short time. He found a partner but didn't trust them. He probably killed hunters who were agents, that's why they never came for them.
i am gonna say Cal used keener as a smoke screen for the SHD
@@MCD10000 I think you're right. I think once Keener found out the black Tusk involvement he used his eclipse virus to hurt potential hunters.
Keener lives! His revive hive turned on as we walked away.
9:40
I think that Fay Lau was a distraction so keener could leave the island / hide away for now. Since his revive hive does infact turn on as we leave.
Man doesnt miss
The theory I have maintained since Warlords is that WE DID NOT KILL Keener; we killed a true believer in Keener’s cause who acted as a “cutout”. A “cutout” in espionage parlance is agent who functions as an intermediary between a spymaster and other subagents. Keener recruited this guy to act as him, run this false flag op to get the Division’s attention, and when they died in the process, it wasn't all part of the plan. The only thing I think Keener actually needed from the story of Warlords was the Rogue network and replacing Keener’s biometrics in ISAC so he could operate with everyone thinking he was died.
We have Keener's SHD Agent ID Card though, face's the same, so it's not ISAC that's been fooled
If keener was just straightforward with us, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill him. I’m hoping this next season will give us more insight into the ANNA network.
Keener was absolutely right
So if Keeners virus kill your relatives he is still god, Virus has no remorse !
Sounds like something a disavowed agent would say
>->
ISAC, crease his Jay's.
Was keener not a Wallstreet trader? As someone that dealt with numbers, I feel like he could see where the money was going and make judgements about who might be doing what. Like Sokolova dumping huge amounts of money into a robotics company. Just a thought there, assuming my memory is correct.
Maybe I'm reaching here, but the Keener from WONY almost looks like a different person than the Keener from The Division 1. They definitely look very "similar" but it really doesn't look like the same person. Granted, this might entirely be due to different people working on the character model but it's also slightly possible (albeit highly far fetched) that Keener used Theo's facial recognition hack from the Tombs mission to change what ISAC recognizes as Keener's likeness. It'd be an interesting twist to say the least.
Rhodes fixed that, during the mission.
As homie said rhodes fixed that BUT still could work as an amazing plot twist
I have the burning urge to say, "Called it!" but....
It does make me wonder. Maybe the eclipse missle was meant to hit an installation. Black Tusk HQ? The ground above the Underground City? Who knows?
Reminds me of the dynamic between Foxhound and the Patriots back in Metal Gear Solid when Liquid was plotting his strike.
Agent Kelso should've been there with us in the battle against Keener, even if just as an unkillable NPC that only did reduced damage to him. She's a great character, her voice actress is amazing and she should have more presence in the story and during gameplay segments.
Im still not convinced Keener is dead, remember what Theo Parnell said "you shouldn't trust ISAC, you really should be more careful"
Would be so cool if he’s alive , maybe he hacked ISAC and tricked us to thinking he’s dead
He is alive so is Theo Kelso went rogue
8:50, this just made me have a realization, with the new descent comms, McManus was in New York doing the outbreak and was panicking, maybe through that panic state he said something and Keener overheard it, or some paperwork (digital or not) got left behind in a hurry and Keener stumbled upon it? I really want the first wave to be explored upon more because in the first game they implied very heavily that the first wave was very important to the story and lore
A good time to replay WONY before the the season relesed on tuesday. NGN, awesome content as always.Your voice is makes it to feel exiting.
Actually, I find it quite sad that most of the antagonists in Tom Clancy series, division or ghost recon, are written better than "good" characters, and Ubisoft just drops them down the drain all the time. I hated killing Keener, because, despite his methods, he had motivation and reasons to act. It would be a sick move if ubi allowed us to side with him in the end of warlords.
I stated before that it would’ve been funny if Isaac was hacked to confirm Keeners demise and right before the agents caught up to him he took a chemical agent that would slow down his vitals to the point of being presumed dead by Issac. I know….. I know it sounds crazy…..but man that would be mind blowing for the Division storyline ⭕️
Or Termite saved him like she saved Hornet.
ISAC initially thought Theo was dead, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
@@mauriciocastillo7302 exactly!!!!! I’m-starting to hope this happens 🤷🏾😂
@@raemonrivera8071mannn at this point I’m HOPING it happens cause keener is too good for the story and I want to join him😂
@@joshuamartinez6381 same man……..same⭕️
Brilliant analysis, as always, thank you.
Great video and i am excited to see what this week has in store for us! I really like dthe part where you allueded to the fact that maybe Faye and Keener DID have a conversation before we killed him on liberty island. The fact that Keener's influence is still around means exciting things ahead. I still wanna believe he's out there somewhere hiding...
This aged well
I thought you were about to kill that red panda
Im wondering how the division 3 will tie into the story (if it will) as supposedly its from the perspective of a first wave agent and as we know keener was also a first wave agent
Aaron Keener is a very astute guy. Having a rogue team lineup and creating a setup plan to rid of other factions. He thought "smarter" not "harder" and also were 10 steps ahead of everyone. ✨✨
I think also he was trying to warn "The Division" but they were ignoring all signs. Lau knew and this was her GREAT OPTION to side with Keener since this was a "losing war." ✨✨
Thank you for the awesome video! Continue your great breakdowns! 😎✨✨✨
I have a little bit over a year of playing D2. One thing i wish they'd do is work in a little bit more story telling cut scenes into every stage of the seasons. Im really looking forward to the learning more of the story this season.
Anybody who's played both games knows that he was right, or they should know that even if they're not big on lore.
A good story they could explore is exactly how they track the agents without the watches. They could come up with a pre story of them being a tracked via under the skin implanted GPS chips. Just a more scientific approach to explore.
He may had gone nuts, but he's right.
What if Bardon Schaffer was trying to recruit Keener to fight back against McManus and the BT?
Wait, when WoNY dropped, D2 wasn't really planning on more content. It was supposed to be the end of D2, as far as THAT storyline. Then within a year or so they switched gears and decided more content was coming. Am I misremembering?
Randomly found this channel. 10/10. Subbed.
After coming off the reveal of “Cassandra” bro you gotta be working on the story, or have someone inside is telling you. There’s no way you got that shit pretty much spot on with the meeting of the minds so to speak as to avoid spoiling it for others.
Agent Johnson in the beginning of the video 🔥
Season 3 is gonna blow your mind!
I feel bad for the jtf I don’t know of a single time in devision lore that they have actually won without direct devision intervention
I remember the last mission in the DLC, and talking to my buddy about how I kinda relate to/understand keener.
The scariest villains/enemies, are the ones that make sense.
Dear fellow Agents of SHD.
I am not sorry but I would have been labelled "Rogue" by I.S.A.C. long time ago. The Division as a unit has lost its way!
Who is our leader?
Who is in charge?
Who do we take our structure from?
The whole things is a mess.
This is ex agent Wooizm signing off.............. last of the first wave of agents.......
You were right bro
Like someone said in the comments before. What we know now and knowing what the hunters im a very surprised that keener wasnt hunted. He is literally the rogue of all rogues and how they didnt hunt him down im very surprised. Wouldnt be suprised if we become label as rogue next season. Us and kelso. Cant wait love the story in division and another great video @ngn 👌
Ur statement is somewhat correct,or maybe keener left something for us to know the real enemy,that why his watch stated Cassandra was reactivated to follow some breadcrumbs to claim a prize.But can’t wait for couple weeks and maybe resurgence might have some lore in it too ;)
Maybe mate. Im just hoping we get clues or some insight in how he managed to avoid the hunters. Just hoping also kelso dont go rogue or becomes a hunter 🙏
Trying to pin some good intentions on an egomaniacal, self-serving, self-righteous, master manipulator, is troubling, to say the least. A guy who just wanted to see most of society burn, and rule over whoever or whatever remained. What did Varys say about Littlefinger, in Game of Thrones? "He would see this country burn, if he could be king of the ashes."
Exactly. The game literally made Keener try to launch a missile with a bloody bioweapon that would be even worse than the Money Flu on what remained of New York City if he wasnt stopped, and trying to make him out as some kind of misunderstood superhero warrior is a complete distortion of the entire story. What is appalling is that this video had any kind of positive feedback at all instead of being called out as whitewashing a very specifically designated villain.
As for the bomb it could have been targeting the black tusk bunker, that Bertie refers to.
If the rogues use ANNA then what do the Hunters use? Season 05 is going to bring in some interesting bits. Keener wasn’t a villain. He knew something that everyone else didn’t
Hunters have access to all 3 AI
Isac , anna & diamond . With anna being the more complete Ai
@@davestationuk7374 hunters have access to plot armor too lol. Darn guys are tanks
@@blameitonthedesignand magic apparently coming out of thin air
@@Sainted86 exactly. they come default with golden bullet too
As far as I Remember, his Eclipse was designed to phase through air filters, witch is why breathing masks don't help as much as they should. So maybe his missle was aimed for Sokolova's Bunker. If it hit the Air supply, it could phase through the filters and still kill everyone inside. That would explain the BT-Involvement.
So either he succeeded in destroying the BT-Bunker, or he gets killed by an Agend, what leads to the agends see the bigger picture. Both way's would play in Keeners favour
I knew something off after i finally beat Kenner almost like when i first heard when said"you won't stop what's coming"Almost like he's was trying to warn ALL of us.but now it's FAR to late and we have a War to win,and he was Right.but it still does not mean we have job to do..we need to Find ANNA.and wake up Baron as soon as possible.We have them on our side..we may have a fighting chance.
Division I was and is one of my all-time favorite games and storylines ... and I've been "in the game" for decades. There are "rumors" that certain launches in and around 2020 were made to be problematic if there was a "too close to target" assessment of some of those games undertones. Keener and certain aspects such as Dark Winter might have been part of that equation in that time frame. Regardless, when I completed Liberty Island, I quit Division forever and divorced Ubi
Keener’s death always felt like the team being asked to give a big splash to the DLC as a last big hurrah for Div2. It really felt like they were going to put it on ice. Then they turned things slowly around and revitalized it. So this all feels like a bit of retro-active re-work. And I’m happy for it! But it was definitely a too-quick end for his character. I hope they can weave him into things in an interesting way.
Div 2 really need another keener, someone that is actually on the field making moves unlike sokolova and the other guy just sitting on their lab testing shits.
Came back to the game yesterday, fought keener today and was disappointed. My active thought was: "this cant be it". And then he shocks you, runs away and dies. How pathetic.
Trying to decipher poor writing. It's just badly written and Ubisoft pulled stuff out their asses.
The missile was about the right size for a Tomahawk, IMO. Cruise missile, smallish and quick...
I’ve said it before I hate lore videos like the plague ….. I love yours - thanks for the entertainment !!!!❤️
Should Division 3 include a faction possibility. We could probably choose between the division or the rogue agents
One of the only parts I disliked about WoNY was that we had to ice Keener at the end. I think he might be in the top ten shadow threats of all time. When he was in the shadows taunting us I really developed a dislike of the man.
Now Nat is in the shadows and thinking several moves ahead of us. While I enjoy that I kind of would have liked to see Nat and Keener playing us like a twisted game of chess.. which might be what we get.
saying keener died on purpose? nahhhhh he for sure got out skilled.
Keener went about things in a selfish and twisted way. He could have done so much if he really wanted to help
Its a shame that tom clancy bit the bullet,but interestingly,the division seems to be one of the last of the games with his name that remembers what he wrote
well time to play my yearly Division 2 phase
So was Amherst when you played NSA Datacenter.
I feel like keener helped set up the division and help train the agents and hunter program. Then he started to hear McManus was working with a pmc, keener was then activated and McManus pulls the jtf to eliminated a loose end and leave keener and his crew to die.
... If Keener "was right" we killed Faye for nothing.
We still have Schaffer in our custody
Keener was asking us "who can you trust?" Remember that some our agents in division can be hunters. He knew all too well. As for his tech. It's not shd. It's rogue tech. Keener was able to use ANNA, to hack warhounds and quad-copper to take full control. Not to mention he was able to completely shutdown our skills. I think he was trying to show us this and bigger picture of what was going on with black tusk and McManus. He also has agents in black tusk, but don't know who. I had similar thoughts about the payload and where he was targeting. Maybe haven... not sure.
the rogue tech is still SHD tech, it gets called out as rogue tech because of how/who deploys it
Is it just a coincidence that there's a weapon skin in the game called Keener Was Right?
We’re gonna become the new Keener in Vanguard…if not Kelso based on what The Recruiter says in the final mission of Puppeteers.
It's like that saying from "Slow Burn" ..."The pocket you in, ain't always the pocket you in".
I always sided with Keener bc he was the coolest char in the series. Now I wish I was able to side with him
Nice to see my own thoughts on all this validated.
I've been saying for a long time now that I think Keener may have been right, and the big twist will be that we shouldn't have offed him.
There's still the gigantic mystery of what the F happened with our Div 1 Agent as well, whom Keener took great personal interest in, almost like he was grooming them.
The question is, when he said “ you don’t know what’s coming “ i know it can’t be the hunters.
I knew it! I been saying he was right for the longest time!😂
Potential issue would be what if keener is still alive.
i think Keener is a Hunter embedded in the Division and then went Rogue, he uses people and disposes of them with little regard. Hunters are solitary operators and as we have seen with others are adept at using Factions and Division to advance their goals
So Keener became the "Jesus" of the Division ? He sacrificed himself for the greater good of humanity.
Theo isn’t dead changed himself in the system again and keener isn’t dead we removed his watch before he died so how is it supposed to read his vitals if it’s not on
With how often the Division gets its tech hacked, stolen, or nullified I'd say they deserve to fall, nothing shows it better than the recruiter manhunt ending mission.
Keener pulling an itachi is crazy but not impossible 😂
The good thing is they could always have it where keener took something to fake his death to get out of the way of black tusk and the division chasing him down. It would make sense with that since he acted like he lost it and that was completely out of character, hopefully the devs make that loophole because otherwise this game will be just another military esque shooter which is okay but division 1 had a different ferl regardless of lmb and everything now its just robo dogs and everything that just makes the game lose its identity it had in the first game. No dread, no atmospher, just another government coup type story. Maybe thats just me but they need to get back to that style and bring back keener and the fact he outsmarted everyone by faking his death because he wouldnt go down so easily.
my guess is he was aiming at Cal's atomic shelter... we will see in couple of days
What MR are you running in the gameplay of this video?
White Death
I’VE BEEN SAYING IT FROM THE BEGINNING……KEENER WAS ALWAYS RIGHT.
I’ve felt for a long time that people in the higher-ups were WAITING for something like this to go down, so that they could utilize the Division to retake control. Keener was onto that shit the moment the JTF pulled out and left them for dead.
With this new season, im almost scared cause if we find out my girl Kelso is rouge or something and becomes a target my heart might break, she is my favorite Agent in all of the known lore of the Division franchise.
I think faye lou is not dead. I bet that missle was intended for the black tusk bunker. That was once it hit the virus would kill them quickly even if the blast didn't.
Literally me after finishing WONY DLC
Great vid as usual
A few things.
First, how did Keener/Theo get/find ANNA?
Second, we already know why Fae went Rogue (her sister was killed, but she was also working under cover within Black Tusk. Though i personally dont remember why or to what end) is it possible she fed Keener information (including where or how to get ANNA?)
Next,
At the end of WLoNY we know Keeners target was DC (but why?) Also Keener was always arrogant, and narcissistic. Definitely a "type A personality" but him going Rogue then staying 2 steps a head of the Division, kinda made him go overboard. I think he knew what was really going on, and he eventually realized he couldnt do it alone (or had gotten as far as he could)
This isnt intended to be a bashing post, just to voice some ideas
If what you said is true between Faye Lau and Keener and ends up in this coming season THEN WE KNOW THEY HIRED YOU FOR THE STORY CONTENT!! Hehehehe
What build were you using in the video? Straight one shotting elites and names on heroic had me intrigued.
I think it is the Hotshot Set with Determined as Talent.
it's a headhunter build. go with 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest piece, airaldi backpack with vigilance. put "determined" talent on your sniper. when you get the first shot and a headshot kill, all next shots count as headshot because of determined as long as you are killing enemies with 1 shot. headhunter talent on chainkiller will increase your headshot dmg by each headshot kill
@ALFA_LEF any particular marksman rifle best with that build or which one is he using. My vision is crap today.
right now the best Marskman Rifle is M700. you want Damage to targets out of cover on last attribute. and Determined talent @@KombatSaiyan
@@KombatSaiyanhe's using named marksman rifle, The White Death with determined talent
So I've been wandering, maybe I'm miss remebering but don't all of Keeners plans seem pretty much the Hunter's plans but half done?
I was listening to Birdy talk, abd jt feels like Blacktusk and the Hunters are trying to do a Vandal Savage move, creating a new world order.
But Keener whos steps ahead of everyone is making the attacks and showing us how to break it, also our share stupidity frustrates him.
This reminds me that we became traitor agents in the dark zone, for a few minutes we became traitors after activating the traitor status!, which in the game's lore put this option! I know it was the developers! But within the game, without thinking about the devs, which key person in the game put this traitor agent option! This would be a beta version of Isaac, for testing, to deal with age! We shouldn't have killed Aaron Keener or the Recruiter, we should have had the option to talk, arrest them, and the recruit was right that we became traitors when we joined Kelso! Bryan knew that we don't act impulsively! Or we were manipulated by her, she is from the CIA and must have torture and manipulation tricks and techniques!
I would want to learn more about what Faye was up to with Schaeffer if she were alive.
I don’t understand the “rogue network”, we now know it’s canon that rogues can still use their tech, even flagged as rogue…
I'm pretty sure he was talking about hunters not rogues
@@b3ardedragon921 the point of the WONY expansion was that it "gave rogues" a network to use their tech with, then they retconned it... like what was the point of parnel now, since he basically did nothing?
@@jsullivan649 I replied to the wrong comment 😂
@@jsullivan649 when did they retcon it though? I'm confused. Theo Parnell creating the rogue network literally helped the cast of the books achieve their mission when the shd network went down.
@@b3ardedragon921 in the descent coms, an agent lost access to her tech and died because she broke into a pharmacy looking for meds since she was injured.
McManus complained to Claire, and they made it so even if an agent is rogue, they do not lose access to their tech now.
So Theo “building the rogue network” so they can use their tech… is redundant since they can use their tech anyways.
The core principle of the Division was specifically to ensure the continuity of government, not to serve the people or to be heroic vigilantes.
They were special operatives given carte blanche with their operations and told to make sure the job was done and that order was enforced and maintained so what's left of the JTF can take control.
If someone was an obstacle preventing government control then they were to be eliminated and the morality of such decisions didn't matter, its just overshadowed by the fact that they wrote the game to where you aren't really forced to make ethically questionable decisions and all the people you fight are clearly "evil" or "wrong" in one form or another.
I am still hoping we didnt actually kill him and he just hacked ISAC. No I dont expect it, just dreaming lol
Every Villian is a next man's Hero