As an ex owner of a 2019 Seltos (Diesel AT) which I owned for 3 years and 30k kms, I can very well relate to what Vivekji mentioned in the video. It was indeed a great package. Decent driving fun and handling, lovely engine and gb combo , it had most things going for it incl plethora of features which were a first in the segment, back then I had even driven it to Himalayas from Bangalore. One of the days I drove close to 900 kms, with absolutely no fatigue. The ride quality though firm was very much liveable. The higher GC is a boon too. Kia in it's later iterations softened it's suspension but I guess that gain got nullified with the 18" wheels. Couple of grouses were it's poor headlight efficacy on open highways and of course the poor crash safety rating, when they barely managed 3 stars in GNCAP. If not for these two gremlins, it would've been an almost a complete package. cheers.. manoj
Diesel AT was my pick of the range till the new turbo petrol arrived with so much performance. Still its efficiency makes for a better travel companion. Good to know you enjoyed your Seltos while you had it
Pre facelift seltos suspension athra nallathalla. Driver athrek problem ondavilla but passenger discomfort ond especially the back seat ennalum livable anu.(2022 htx owner)
Bro keeping the “SUVs” in their place by rightfully calling out them as “family crossovers”. Thanks for doing that whenever you get the chance; oru manasugham aanu ath kelkumpo.
I was never attracted by the way the pre-facelift Seltos looked, especially the "mathil" on the dashboard, but the facelift is like Kia people were in full flow during its designing inside out. This iteration makes us feel like owning one now. I would personally go for the diesel AT. Loved your apt "family crossover" terminology usage when everyone is kind of shouting out 'SUV...SUV...' Right thing for an enthusiast turned reviewer 😁 Nice and simple video 💙👍🏻😊
Innu aathyayitanu ee channel le videos kanune from grand vitara review, athil Thane presentation orupaad ishtapetu with that added technical terms and processes. And edake ola thamasha, innu most of the videos kandu. Innu ith mathram nadanolo, nirtham enn karutheepo dhe new video so ithum kanunu. Kollaam ishtapetu, innu ita comments il orenam Bro like cheythu so njan paranjath onum thallala😅
Welcome to CWC. It’s more of a car enthusiast’s community than a review channel. So if you like cars, you’ll love it here. And yes we read every comment here ☺️
Good review.. i took a Diesel AT in March 2024. Now 6500 kms.. was using Swift for past 12 years.. can't compare the handling in curves with swift though Good on highways, quite stiff for comfort in small uneven roads.. over all fells good.. BTW i am Joseph C Jos ( Octane girl dad , Trichur) cousin. You should do an interview sometime with my Dad and his twin brother.. George Antony and Joseph Antony who won the 1983 Popular rally..
Lot of terranos and dusters caught fire especially on their way to hill stations, can you do a vedio on this topic someday... Would love to hear your take on that....
I am using htx plus diesel MT. Completely agree with Vivekji, it's a perfect family crossover and lot of fun to drive. Finished my last trip 7800km from Trivandrum to Srinagar within 14 days. So it's kind of a fully drive-mode trip. Happy with the comfort, suspension, manoeuvrability, and total trip mileage got 22 on average😊.
I am using new kia Seltos petrol htx ivt owner as a petrol car it gives a mileage of 10-15 in city and 14-19 in highways and very happy with all other features and performances of car with a 6 month use
Hi Vivek CWC, I want to upgrade the music system in my Wagon R 2016 model to a touch screen which can support 360 camera. What all things we need to consider while doing so, as one shop has two models - one with 1 GB of RAM 6K Rs, one with 2 GB of RAM 11K Rs, Is going for 6K effects the efficiency of 360 camera? So is it better to go with 11K model? And is there any model or shop that you can suggest in Thrissur if known.
Great review ❤ kia was claiming about the improved safety and strength of materials used for this model. What about that. Is there a significant improvement?
This car got a lot of hate from the market once the safety ratings were released. If it had a good shell, this car would have been one of the best, maybe an all rounder. This might be one of the best looking cars , and even the interior quality was peak. I've been driving the Diesel MT for more than 3 years now, more than 50k kms done and it still feels fresh, the clutch is on the longer side though. And Kia removed the MT from diesel variants during launch of the FL 😂. But there was the 1.4 T-GDI MT for pre FL which was one of the best to drive around. Great video Vivek Ji, lots of relatable seltos elements any seltos owner could relate.
As per new KIA Seltos launch training brochure, the body has been reinforced... They modified these areas 1. Part addition in Dashboard Area 2. Side Structure Improvement 3. Front B/Beam Section Improvement 4. To strengthen occupant compartment 5. Application of Reinforcement on Both Sides (front apron & central floor) Also there are 15 standard safety features. I guess if they send this car for GNCAP, car will get at least 4 star rating or car could get 5 also (Guess its my dream though)
Kushaq is slightly better to drive, feels more solid and is safer. Seltos is more spacious, has the better backseat, more equipment and will be easier and cheaper to maintain
I was waiting for your review on the turbo petrol variant. And finally took it on March when I got some good discount. Wonderful machine and enjoying the drive every bit. If you put it to sports mode it turns to a different league and exhaust note is very nice to hear especially the blipper part.
Desi Indian companies' R&D cost is more. But Kia and other world brands build for the global market, so the R&D cost is less for them. But as you said, Indian makers need to rethink and want to go global. At least many Chinese cars are taking to the roads in global markets, especially at least Tata can try the Middle East.
What tax benefits are you talking about? Kia seltos and Hyundai creta are saving near to 40,000rs per car by reducing the usage of advanced ultra high strength steel in chassis. Just google "Kia seltos body structure tbhp" ...read the tbhp forum regarding this ...
@Annie.0990 Taigun DSG gearbox is better & quicker than seltos. Taigun is more safe. Taigun got 5⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ safety in global ncap crash test. Seltos have got only three⭐️⭐️⭐️. Taigun also have cylinder cut off system, that will makes it little bit fuel efficient. Interior spaces of Taigun is higher than Seltos. I has driven both of these cars, personally I felt most stability, handling, comfort, safer & entertaining/fun in Taigun GT. Seltos is not bad but at that price I will prefer to buy a proper brand strong car like Volkswagen Taigun GT
I wanted to upgrade my Nexon .. I'm confused about four cars .. Seltos is my first choice then Creta.. Main reasons are features, fit and finish and price.. but I'm worrying about the safety of these two cars even though they reinforced the body but they are somehow hesitant to send their cars for safety testing.. The other two options are Harrier and XUV700.. They are leaders in safety but have some limitations such as a poor record of service and niggles ... Harrier has serious fit and finish issues ..
Test Drive Honda Elevate. Its one of the good Compact SUVs with Sufficient Features with plenty of Space and SUV Characteristics. Long term Reliability of Honda is very good specially 1.5 Litre IV tech petrol Engine
It would be interesting to know, how many folks in Kia sales team might be using the exact comments to impress customers after listening to your short and crisp review. I am sure many would be 👍🏿
ചേട്ടാ talking cars എന്ന ചാനൽ നിങ്ങൾ ഇപ്പോൾ പുതിയ വീഡിയോ അപ്ലോഡ് ചെയ്യുന്നില്ലല്ലോ നിങ്ങൾ രണ്ടുപേരും വണ്ടിയെ കുറിച്ച് പറയുന്നത് കേട്ടിരിക്കാൻ നല്ല രസമാണ്😔😔
@@ContentWithCarsithil eethayirikum better choice? Used Tucson would in theory have better engine, better safety with added benefit of being around 7-8 lakhs cheaper. Pakshe new one still gets all the updated features, warranty, new car ownership feeling okke.
It’s relative. If you come from a German car, you’ll find it’s a bit diconnected. If you are compare it to its rivals or last gen Creta, its way better
Almost, but slightly less crashy over ruts. Dampers seem to be similar, but I guess the spring rates are lower. Need to check or drive them back to back
As an ex owner of a 2019 Seltos (Diesel AT) which I owned for 3 years and 30k kms, I can very well relate to what Vivekji mentioned in the video. It was indeed a great package. Decent driving fun and handling, lovely engine and gb combo , it had most things going for it incl plethora of features which were a first in the segment, back then
I had even driven it to Himalayas from Bangalore. One of the days I drove close to 900 kms, with absolutely no fatigue. The ride quality though firm was very much liveable. The higher GC is a boon too. Kia in it's later iterations softened it's suspension but I guess that gain got nullified with the 18" wheels.
Couple of grouses were it's poor headlight efficacy on open highways and of course the poor crash safety rating, when they barely managed 3 stars in GNCAP. If not for these two gremlins, it would've been an almost a complete package.
cheers..
manoj
Diesel AT was my pick of the range till the new turbo petrol arrived with so much performance. Still its efficiency makes for a better travel companion.
Good to know you enjoyed your Seltos while you had it
why you sold it ?
I'm more into off roading, so sold the Seltos for a Thar D AT. already had a sedan to do familial duties..
Pre facelift seltos suspension athra nallathalla. Driver athrek problem ondavilla but passenger discomfort ond especially the back seat ennalum livable anu.(2022 htx owner)
ഒൻപത് മിനിറ്റിൽ ഇത്രയും ഇൻഫർമേഷൻ തരുന്ന ഒരു റിവ്യൂ നിങ്ങൾക്ക് കാണാൻ സാധിക്കില്ല... അണ്ണാ നമിച്ചു❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks Faisal
Bro keeping the “SUVs” in their place by rightfully calling out them as “family crossovers”. Thanks for doing that whenever you get the chance; oru manasugham aanu ath kelkumpo.
He He. Glad you noticed. 😂
I was never attracted by the way the pre-facelift Seltos looked, especially the "mathil" on the dashboard, but the facelift is like Kia people were in full flow during its designing inside out. This iteration makes us feel like owning one now. I would personally go for the diesel AT.
Loved your apt "family crossover" terminology usage when everyone is kind of shouting out 'SUV...SUV...' Right thing for an enthusiast turned reviewer 😁
Nice and simple video 💙👍🏻😊
Thank you. The diesel AT is the ideal choice for a family vehicle.
Innu aathyayitanu ee channel le videos kanune from grand vitara review, athil Thane presentation orupaad ishtapetu with that added technical terms and processes. And edake ola thamasha, innu most of the videos kandu. Innu ith mathram nadanolo, nirtham enn karutheepo dhe new video so ithum kanunu.
Kollaam ishtapetu, innu ita comments il orenam Bro like cheythu so njan paranjath onum thallala😅
Welcome to CWC. It’s more of a car enthusiast’s community than a review channel. So if you like cars, you’ll love it here.
And yes we read every comment here ☺️
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വീഡിയോസ് സോ ഗുഡ്❤❤❤❤
Talking cars channelile videosum kandu nokku.
Informative video, watching seltos review for the 1st time❤
Vivekji, as a german car enthusiast I miss your german car videos and would like to know the user experience of your boxter s
I am a German car enthusiast too. Will do that
This video maximizes every second! Engaging visuals, insightful narration - not a moment wasted. A prime example of efficient content. Bravo! 👍
Thank you
verna 2023 turbo review comparison with 1.5 tsi
Yessssss we need that review as well
Finallyyyyy got the exact review what I expected❤❤
Glad you liked it
Good review.. i took a Diesel AT in March 2024. Now 6500 kms.. was using Swift for past 12 years.. can't compare the handling in curves with swift though Good on highways, quite stiff for comfort in small uneven roads.. over all fells good..
BTW i am Joseph C Jos ( Octane girl dad , Trichur) cousin.
You should do an interview sometime with my Dad and his twin brother.. George Antony and Joseph Antony who won the 1983 Popular rally..
Hey Antony, good to see you here.
I know the rally duo. Always admired their A4 3.0TDI. Let’s discuss what you got in mind.
Lot of terranos and dusters caught fire especially on their way to hill stations, can you do a vedio on this topic someday... Would love to hear your take on that....
I am using htx plus diesel MT. Completely agree with Vivekji, it's a perfect family crossover and lot of fun to drive. Finished my last trip 7800km from Trivandrum to Srinagar within 14 days. So it's kind of a fully drive-mode trip. Happy with the comfort, suspension, manoeuvrability, and total trip mileage got 22 on average😊.
Wow. Glad to know you’re enjoying your Seltos
Full of information as always.
Wondering how Kia is managing the inventory for multiple alloy wheels, multiple seat fabrics etc..
Loved the info on the single/twin exhaust design! More geeky stuff needed:)
👍🏻
Gurkha 5സീറ്റർ റിവ്യൂ ചെയ്യു 🤗
Hai vivekji......eeee 1.5 TGDI completely new engine aano....atho pazhaya 1.4TGDIyile bore/stroke maati size kootiyathano
I am using new kia Seltos petrol htx ivt owner as a petrol car it gives a mileage of 10-15 in city and 14-19 in highways and very happy with all other features and performances of car with a 6 month use
Hi Vivek CWC,
I want to upgrade the music system in my Wagon R 2016 model to a touch screen which can support 360 camera.
What all things we need to consider while doing so, as one shop has two models - one with 1 GB of RAM 6K Rs, one with 2 GB of RAM 11K Rs, Is going for 6K effects the efficiency of 360 camera? So is it better to go with 11K model?
And is there any model or shop that you can suggest in Thrissur if known.
Nice. Vivek ji, in your opinion, which transmission is better.......Automatic or Manual...
Depends on the car and where you drive. If it’s a city car that’ll be driven primarily in the city, I would choose an automatic. Else a manual.
@@ContentWithCars Thank you so much
Thank you so much, Vivekji, for taking our request into consideration. We've finally acquired the content we required❤
Great review ❤ kia was claiming about the improved safety and strength of materials used for this model. What about that. Is there a significant improvement?
They did. Can’t comment on that.
Was waiting for a seltos video 🔥
Lots of comments asking for the Seltos. Were you one of them?
@@ContentWithCars yes 😁
Yes in Hyderabad most of the driving schools are giving class in seltos.. lot of seltos are here..
That’s good
Interesting and informative ❤❤
Diesel engines il injector issues undennu parayunnu.. service centre nu leak aayadaanu.. ulladaano any idea ?
Delphi injectors, they are prone to failure if subjected to bad fuel
Athu hyundaikum ulla same complaint aanu...nalla pani kittum bro...
@@niriap9780 same engines
Thank you vivekji for the review. Please consider to increase video length to minimum 15 mins. Please....
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Nice way of presentation... genuinely..there is content with cars
Thank you
HI ...would u please advice which car suspension gives a smooth drive, 1, Martui Baleno 2016 model OR
, Honda Amaze 2nd gen
Ashaneii ini POV video koode add akkaney video il 😊
Love your reviews man..
Seedhi baath no bakwaas...❤❤
Thank you
It’s always good with briefing in less than 10 mins❤❤
6:31 ith celerio amt ilu shredhichitond enn paranja viswasikuo? Rev matching alle😁
Chetta kia seltos htx plus petrol manual inte on-road price onn parayamo kochil please🙏🏻🙏🏻
@vivekji build quality is at the lower side right?
They say they have reinforced certain areas in this new one and it will fare better. Can’t comment
Late aa vanthaalum latest aaytha varuve...
Aaj ka highlights- Special tips for Content with cars viewers 🎉🎉
Ithra pettennu full kando 😃
@@ContentWithCars Nalla kaaryngal life il varumbol orikkalum pinnathekku maatti vaykkaruth...
NB: thudarchayay varunna content with cars nte notification aanu ente swapnam.
This car got a lot of hate from the market once the safety ratings were released. If it had a good shell, this car would have been one of the best, maybe an all rounder.
This might be one of the best looking cars , and even the interior quality was peak.
I've been driving the Diesel MT for more than 3 years now, more than 50k kms done and it still feels fresh, the clutch is on the longer side though. And Kia removed the MT from diesel variants during launch of the FL 😂. But there was the 1.4 T-GDI MT for pre FL which was one of the best to drive around.
Great video Vivek Ji, lots of relatable seltos elements any seltos owner could relate.
True. Seltos is good in every other area
As per new KIA Seltos launch training brochure, the body has been reinforced... They modified these areas
1. Part addition in Dashboard Area
2. Side Structure Improvement
3. Front B/Beam Section Improvement
4. To strengthen occupant compartment
5. Application of Reinforcement on Both Sides (front apron & central floor)
Also there are 15 standard safety features. I guess if they send this car for GNCAP, car will get at least 4 star rating or car could get 5 also (Guess its my dream though)
Jst addicted to your channel ❤
🙏
Aa twin exhaust show aano vivekji..atho working aano
You’ll get your answer as you progress in the video.
Turbo petrol ann bro so..........
@@ContentWithCarsDoubt chodhikunnathinu munpe clarification koduthu.
Beautiful car.
Can score 5 stars with 6 airbags,ESP in base variant.
Carens had all these still 3 star🤣
Wish u could do a technical session on 'owning bs6 diesels for city usage', eventhough u have done sessions in dpf earlier...
Good idea. But too early. Will wait for people to clock decent kilometers and get a general idea
Sure thank u....am a victim...😂....under research to get best way out.....
I second that, plz do a session on owning a bs6 diesel in city.@@ContentWithCars
Nice video broo!!❤
You're the best 🎉👌🏻😁
Thank you
Vivekji making his own cult followers ❤❤❤
🙏
Hi Vivek, which one would you suggest in Mumbai Traffic iVT or DCT?
IVT
@@ContentWithCars thanks
Kia'yude sakala variants and athinte interiors thettikkathe paranja vivekji!! 💯
Took me a while to learn it. Atha review late aaye
sathyam njettichu
Creta or seltos, which one would you go for?
ഇതാണോ VW taigun gt ആണോ നല്ലത്?
Eagerly Waiting for Swift 2024 review
Make a review of VW virtus
Sir please tell me which is the best family car under 10 lakh
which one u will pick...kushaq 1.5 dsg elegance edition or kia seltos 1.5 dct gt line???????
Kushaq is slightly better to drive, feels more solid and is safer. Seltos is more spacious, has the better backseat, more equipment and will be easier and cheaper to maintain
Waiting for this review ❤ 😊
Bro please consider featuring the new virtus and taigun GT sport plus edition ⚡❤️
Will plan if more people want them
@@ContentWithCars You know the pulse of car enthusiasts like us, waiting for more of your contents ❤️
Jeep compess nde or deep review cheyyamo..pls
Bro will u pls post a video on Nissan terrano or duster buyer series
I was waiting for your review on the turbo petrol variant. And finally took it on March when I got some good discount. Wonderful machine and enjoying the drive every bit. If you put it to sports mode it turns to a different league and exhaust note is very nice to hear especially the blipper part.
It is a great purchase. Happy Motoring
Safety rating?
@@JOELLOUIS-tr6xy not yet tested for the facelift
@@maheshm280 same skeleton right
@@JOELLOUIS-tr6xy No. They did some refinforcements in the chasis...
Thanks bro. Loved it❤❤
Glad you liked it
scorpio N review
safari 2023 vs xuv700 comparison video
Ok
Xuv 700🛞
Waiting for swift 2024 review , about cylinders and safety rating
Hope indian manufacturers wake up .
inspite of tax benifits , Local manufcters like tatta make below average quality with higher margins.
Desi Indian companies' R&D cost is more. But Kia and other world brands build for the global market, so the R&D cost is less for them. But as you said, Indian makers need to rethink and want to go global. At least many Chinese cars are taking to the roads in global markets, especially at least Tata can try the Middle East.
Exactly
What tax benefits are you talking about?
Kia seltos and Hyundai creta are saving near to 40,000rs per car by reducing the usage of advanced ultra high strength steel in chassis. Just google "Kia seltos body structure tbhp" ...read the tbhp forum regarding this ...
Tata is already there in middle East @@vijithsreevalsam7979
Kaathirunna review 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Really?
@@ContentWithCars yes vivek bro, 1.5 na engine oru special video cheyuo
Taigun GT is my pick in these segment
Why
We are confused between Taigun and Seltos
@Annie.0990 Taigun DSG gearbox is better & quicker than seltos. Taigun is more safe. Taigun got 5⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ safety in global ncap crash test. Seltos have got only three⭐️⭐️⭐️. Taigun also have cylinder cut off system, that will makes it little bit fuel efficient. Interior spaces of Taigun is higher than Seltos. I has driven both of these cars, personally I felt most stability, handling, comfort, safer & entertaining/fun in Taigun GT. Seltos is not bad but at that price I will prefer to buy a proper brand strong car like Volkswagen Taigun GT
Crisp and clear❤❤❤
I drive the Xline diesel AT version! Decent drive fun & economical ✌️
Good choice
JD said to do more contents 😂
In JDs posts . i ll comment you said to do more videos too
Both fans still same and both contents are good ❤
Jeep compess nde oru deep rewiev cheyyamo..pls
Bro Nice presentation 👍
Tata safari when you will do the review
We have already done that.
th-cam.com/video/OrtfIl1N5hI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=afAzL7iWQAAlA4ZI
This is a great car. Only issue is headlights for gtx
Is the facelift coming with the same body structure used in the new Creta?
Yes. Said to be improved
എം ജി ഗ്ലോസ്റ്റർ 4x4 വീഡിയോ ചെയ്യാമോ ?
Awesome Review Chettayiee ❤Keep Going ❤❤❤
Thank you
Waiting for Verna turbo review
If enough people want it, we will do it
I wanted to upgrade my Nexon .. I'm confused about four cars .. Seltos is my first choice then Creta.. Main reasons are features, fit and finish and price.. but I'm worrying about the safety of these two cars even though they reinforced the body but they are somehow hesitant to send their cars for safety testing.. The other two options are Harrier and XUV700.. They are leaders in safety but have some limitations such as a poor record of service and niggles ... Harrier has serious fit and finish issues ..
Test Drive Honda Elevate. Its one of the good Compact SUVs with Sufficient Features with plenty of Space and SUV Characteristics. Long term Reliability of Honda is very good specially 1.5 Litre IV tech petrol Engine
My ford fiesta 2015 1 litre ecoboost makes 140bhp on stock🥰🥰
It would be interesting to know, how many folks in Kia sales team might be using the exact comments to impress customers after listening to your short and crisp review. I am sure many would be 👍🏿
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Bro, bring Gurkha 5 door
9 മിനിട്ടെ ഉള്ളെങ്കിലും, ഉള്ളത് കാതലാണ് 👍🏻
Mileage price കൂടി പറയൂ please
Roadil ഇത് മാത്രമേ ഉള്ളൂ.. ഇന്ന് perinthalmanna to kochi യാത്ര ചെയ്തപ്പോൾ ആലോചിച്ചതെ ഉള്ളൂ..
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Kia sonet diesel AT edukkan plan ind kindly advise.
Force gurkh& Belero neo+ review
Insulation kuravu pole. Accelarate cheytappo sound creep in cheyta pole tonni.
And for us viewers informations ,Bonus tips all car brands and designs contents a video please
Need a review for XC 40 recharge 😊
Almost perfect family car.
XUV 700 Blaze edition review varan chance undoo
ചേട്ടാ talking cars എന്ന ചാനൽ നിങ്ങൾ ഇപ്പോൾ പുതിയ വീഡിയോ അപ്ലോഡ് ചെയ്യുന്നില്ലല്ലോ നിങ്ങൾ രണ്ടുപേരും വണ്ടിയെ കുറിച്ച് പറയുന്നത് കേട്ടിരിക്കാൻ നല്ല രസമാണ്😔😔
Verna review varumo?
What about safety rating?
Grt Review..👍
Force gurkha video please
Jeep compass um scorpio n um thammil oru comparisson cheyyamo
ആനയും അണ്ണാനും
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Waiting for new 2024 swift review
Great content ❤
Would you consider getting a seltos gtx plus turbo dct over a used Hyundai tuscon diesel?
Which gen Tucson?
@@ContentWithCars something around 2017- 2019? Considering the value proposition of used Tucson.
@@ContentWithCarsithil eethayirikum better choice? Used Tucson would in theory have better engine, better safety with added benefit of being around 7-8 lakhs cheaper.
Pakshe new one still gets all the updated features, warranty, new car ownership feeling okke.
Vivek ji my brother 🤝
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new vw taigun gt line review plze
Toyota taisor review cheyumo
Njn ee vandi odichitt suspension, steering okke kurach lifeless pole thonni... athra sport feel serikkum undo... 😅
It’s relative. If you come from a German car, you’ll find it’s a bit diconnected. If you are compare it to its rivals or last gen Creta, its way better
@@ContentWithCars ok chettayi. Koreans pinne kurach softer side aalo.👍
Is it stiffer and more fun than the N line creta?
Almost, but slightly less crashy over ruts. Dampers seem to be similar, but I guess the spring rates are lower. Need to check or drive them back to back