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How to get killed while working for the Harkonnen -
1) Suggest anything, ever. (Including basic safety precautions.)
2) Stand still and say nothing.
3) Be a loyal servant who happens to be around when one of them is angry.
4) Lose sight of the Fremen.
5) Be in the presence of Feyd's girlfriends when they get hungry.
6) Let someone get at your heart plug. ( Lynch movie only.)
7) Be a gift for the Baron in a bad attempt at assassination (book & miniseries)
8). Be a child/teenager. (Books)
So its like working for any fascist government ever. Its like being a russian.
9) Don't be related to the Baron, don't be part of the Harkonnen noble family.
10) Be related to the Baron, be part of the Harkonnen noble family.
Excessive.
"How to get killed while working for House Harkonnen."
1) Work for House Harkonnen.
"He's not the lisan-al-gaib, he'a a naughty boy"!
Life of Brian reference! Cheers! 👍
Harkonnen iti domum!
@@PhilBagels "Ite!" Now write it down a hundred times!
A very naughty boy.
@@PhilBagels Harkonnens return to their domiciles?
FrankHerbert, author of Dune, had a key fundamental point: "Beware of heroes, leaders & messiahs. They are only human, and will make mistakes that will be catastrophic due to the power they wield!"
Addie has already gotten the point, due to the epic adaptation DenisV has wrought...
In fact he SPECIFICALLY wrote Messiah because too many people missed the message of Dune. That's also why DV made sure to include such ominous visuals/music once he becomes the KH.
Yeah but that's conditional to the amount of power the followers give the 'messiah'. It's like the hidden hand and governments and big Corp and big pharma that orchestrates what goes on in our world today.... The only power they have is what we give them. The focus and lesson is more intrinsic than what one person / leader is doing.
@@mikehunt534 where and when did herbert say that? because i see a comment like yours on every dune 2 video and i seriously doubt it
Meanwhile americans be like : ALL HEIL TRUMP, OUR GOD EMPEROR, ABOVE THE LAW, LETS MAKE HIM DICTATOR!!
@@miniroseyo it's difficult to find the exact quote aside from a reddit post from 2 years ago, but seeing as the books themes are very blatant in what he is portraying with everyone's thoughts and actions years later in universe, then we can assume those were his thoughts when writing the book.
Most resnoable book fans that are complaining about the movies would rather not have had the Messiah version of Chani portrayed in this, but DV has done enough research to find the quote I mentioned earlier, shit he's probably read Herbert's personal notes on the series based on Herbert's son being a fan, so he's made the changes to placate Herbert's over all thoughts while also doing his best to adapt this for theaters!
Stilgar's fanaticism with the Lisan Al Gaib was played for comedic purposes throughout the film which garnerd some chuckles from the audience. When he said it at the end though no one was laughing because everybody knew millions upon millions of people are about to be destroyed for the Lisa Al Gaib.
According to the books, about 61 billion die in Paul's holy war.
no everybody still laughed in the theatre because people are not smart enough to understand
@@playermartin286 get over yourself
Not a big fan of what they did with Stilgar. Javier does great with the material but using Stilgar to inject humor just didn't sit well with me.
@LordVolkov Stilgar is blindly fanatical... Paul hated it. Called it a lessening of the man as Stilgar became a mere "creature of the Lisan al Giab"....
In Dune Messiah he even compared himself to Hitler to try and break Stilgar from his fanaticism
Once Paul drank the Water of Life, which is basically hyper-concentrated spice, it unlocked his potential as the Kwisatz Haderach and gave him perfect prescience. He not only sees all potential futures, but is able to choose the path he wants. He knew he was going to have to fight Feyd to become emperor. He also knew the Great Houses would initially reject his claim to the throne, hence his reluctance to take this path to begin with, since it starts the holy war that kills billions.
You asked at the end if this is what the Bene Gesserit wanted. The answer is a resounding no. They wanted their creation, the Kwisatz Haderach, on the throne. Someone that they could control who had perfect prescience. In this way the Bene Gesserit could truly control and guide humanity. It was about power. Once they saw that the Atreides were getting out of their control they knew they had to end them. The Kwisatz Haderach on the throne, out of their control, and in direct control of the spice, was their worst nightmare.
Are you basing "The answer is a resounding no" on the books? I'm sceptical of what you said, when they counselled the emperor to take out Atreides, they must have known it would make Emperor's position vulnerable, throwing everything up into the air. If Paul had died, I think Baron and Feyd-Rautha would've made a play on the throne themselves and cause war, no? Would the Bene Gesserit seek to stop this, and second question is, could they succeed? All it takes is rumour to be released and the Landsraad would flip out.
@@TealJosh yes, you’re right, but what the BG wanted was to control the emperor, hence putting their own creation on the throne. This is why they talked how they could control Feyd. Paul in the throne, fully in control of his presence but out of the control of the BG was a complete disaster for them. Yes I’m basing this on the books, but also based on the conversations they have within the film.
Also from the book was that Jessica was supposed to have a girl who the BG were going to then match with Feyd and their child would be the Kwisatz Haderach. Only the Duke wanted a son and out of love for him did Jessica have Paul. So he is the chosen one but not quite.
Paul does not have perfect prescience, Guild Navigators are invisible to him.Only his son will have it
@@mirceapintelie361 good clarification. Thank you.
Btw, since the movie doesn't bother to tell you: The Princess HAS a name, she is called Irulan ^^*
"Will this hurt the baby...?"
Yes.
Yes ma'am it will.
makes the baby SCARY fr fr
Sapience is a curse
That's why in the first movie when Paul was done with the box test, she told him that he inherits too much power. He said "Because of my father?" and she said "Because of Jessica. You have more than one birthright boy."
Exactly. Herbert was stirring things up. The real rulers of the Universe were the Bene Gesserit. But they made huge mistake. Absolute power has unforeseen consequences. The other Dune books spell it all out.
People keep forgetting. This was not a sequel. It was second half of same movie. The sequel to Dune is called .... Dune: Messiah. Continuation of Paul's story. But a separate book. Thanks for the great reaction.
People keep forgetting that dune part 2 is dune part 2?
@@fullmetalb5241 Exactly. In old days of Hollywood long movies had intermissions. Thank God they do not do that anymore. Because viewers would come back in theater after the break. Expecting to see the "sequel"..... ha ha
Could have fooled me. Part 2 forgets a bunch of plot points from 1 and never brings them back up
@@LordVolkov Theres a lot of backstory left out of both IMO for someone new to the IP. Not much was explained about the bene gessirit accept they have powers. Why it seems like they're injected in all the houses, why the fremen follow their prophecy, why did paul give a shit about joining the fremen. The movies are beautifully filmed but I found it hard to really care for any of the characters, I just want to see The Voice used constantly, and Stillgar yelling "Lisan al gaib" everytime paul sneezes lol
@@LordVolkov Like what?
37:14, Paul pulled the same trick on Feyd that Gurney did in their training session in the first movie. Feyd is so used to being a showy gladiatorial fighter he forgot this is for keeps not to gain glory. So while he was taking his time giving Paul the coup de grace, Paul used his own knife for a quick finish.
Yes. Great explanation.
When Paul talks about gaining control, he doesn't mean over himself, he means over the known Universe. Which implies that anyone that resists dies. There is a reason the Bene wanted to control whoever achieved that kind of power, because a man who can see all futures and just pick the winning one is by and large unbeatable and can take control of everything.
The Bene Gesserit are meant to represent the extreme of feminine power expression. They rule from the shadows. Their weapons are words. They plan, and scheme, and dissemble. They leave nothing up to chance, not even the arrival of their own messiah in the Kwisatz Hadarach.
Their great undoing, ironically enough, comes about because of love. The Kwisatz Hadarach came a generation early and upended millenia of plotting.
One of the biggest power moves is the stomp he does at the Emperor and so many reaction videos leave it out!
When Paul tells Jessica he sees a narrow way through, there is a brief flash of him holding the knife in Feyd-Rautha. He knows he has to let Feyd stab him in order to win. He knows more or less exactly what he has to do at all times. That's why tells Gurney it is his burden - he knows precisely what he has to do, even if those things are morally horrible (like instigating a holy war), or physically painful for him, and failure to do those things has great consequences.
Never ever enter a battle to the death with someone who can see the future, especially if they seem calm about it.
@@elbruces And ESPECIALLY if they're Sicilian
In the book, Paul's sister, Alia, killed the Baron with a poisoned needle like the ones used for the box test. She was only a small child at the time. The movie condenses the time line by about 3 years.
Removing the time skip is the worst choice in Part 2. Reducing the war to
@@LordVolkov Compressing the timeline, skipping the completely unseen baby Leto, and keeping Alia unborn are some of the best decisions DV made.
@@LordVolkov I get it though, it would be nearly impossible to have a 4 year old do those things in a convincing manner, even with CGI. She's meant to be uncanny but that works better in books than on screen. 1984 Dune had to use a 7 year old actor and it still came off as sort of goofy.
@@ItsMeBarnaby Alia is gonna be age accelerated anyways (unless Messiah has a 30y time skip to get to Anya Taylor Joy ) so why not? There's plenty of talented child actors and dancers out there who could have handled the work (especially if they have Rebecca Ferguson work with her to get the mannerisms). They don't even have to speak English. Overdub with ATJ and it's done.
Also possible that the time skip and the 1st Leto 2 didn't work with DV's 'Chani the denier' narrative and Alia got axed as a result.
@@ItsMeBarnabythe child who played Alia in the miniseries made it quite well in my opinion.
"It's so interesting that the protagonists become people you don't know if you can root for." Precisely!
There are so many cool and wildly out-there ideas in the books, and so far these two movies have done a fantastic job translating most of them to screen. Paul and Jessica both are transformed by the Water of Life, their core personalities mingled with generations of memories. But, you do know that Paul reluctantly leads the Fremen, whom he loves, into a future he is horrified by. He see's a clear path through the horror, or so we can hope.
Love your reactions Addie :)
Addie you absolutely need to watch this in theaters, specifically IMAX, you will love it even more
Yes! They even brought it back to a lot of IMAX theaters so don’t miss the chance to see it as it was intended
there's only 28 true IMAX 70mm rooms in the world, it's not available to everyone ...
What's the difference watching it in regular theater vs imax?
@jmz2144 true IMAX 70/15 is 70mm film instead of 35 and cycles horizontally in the projector rather than vertically, this produces an image 3.4x bigger than regular 35/5 film. Image clarity is much better overall and the sound systems in IMAX rooms is incomparable to regular rooms. Another advantage of true IMAX theaters is that the seats are arranged in a much steeper incline, which provides each viewer with a better field of view and clearer sound.
IMAX 70mm is the REAL deal.
The ending is tragic and left me feeling conflicted. "Are we the baddies?"
Denis (and Nolan), with Hans Zimmer is just pure magic. Incredible movie, especially considering the complex, long story.
People saying Lynch was better than this are just high af and not in a good way.
@@themuffinloverphysicist lynch doesn't even like his own lmao
Hans Zimmer has done so many amazing scores, but I think the Dune films may be his best work to date, absolutely breathtakingly beautiful stuff
@@christianwise637 Dune Part 2 and Interstellar are the best soundtracks I have ever heard and that I will ever hear.
This story is heartbreaking in so many ways - Paul, Chani - the way Paul is both trapped by and seduced by his fate is like Greek tragedy, and the devastation to Chani as an individual and to her whole people is crushing. Power is the ultimate addiction and the ultimate evil.
The prophecy when it comes to Chani being the desert spring whose tears wake him up is a bit confusing. Its important to remember that Chani isn't some random girl he found by chance. He saw visions of her before he even arrived on Arrakis. He was drawn to her because of the role she could play in the false prophecy but fell in love with her either despite of that fact or before he fully understood the role that she could play. As to why her tears did break him out of the trance -- I don't think they actually did. I think Paul waited to arise until she did it because it would solidify his role as the messiah, either on purpose or as a sort of coordinated effort by the ancestral presences that he and Jessica were now connected to.
This ending with Chani is not in the book. In the book Paul and Chani have a child that is killed by the Harkoenen. Jessica explains to Chani that the Marriage with Irulan is lovelees and in later books Chani has PAul's Children.
I think they already know they are going to do another movie after this and move some scenes around.
So I think that talk between Jessica and Chani might have been moved to the next movie.
Part 3 dude
I think so too that a lot will be in part 3 as a way of transition from part 2
In the movie after paul takes the water of life, he tells his mom that Chani will come around eventually, and that he has seen it. Its my guess that since we know that Paul and Chani are sleeping together, that its likely she is already pregnant by the end of the film whether she knows it or not. This would provide an important reason why she would continue a relationship with him.
You are one of the few reactors to recognize that while Paul is the protagonist, he's maybe not a "hero."
Nicely done.
This was absolutely incredible! I watched it in IMAX and my theater viewing experience has never been the same since. I'm going to re-read the book and finish the series.
A true glorious gem of epic and science fiction. Not to mention all the complex, morally gray characters and the deep themes of ecology, politics, religion, and how they shape and change us, as a society and individuals.
FrankHerbert, author of Dune, had a key fundamental point: "Beware of heroes, leaders, & messiahs. They are also mere humans who make mistakes, which are catastrophic due to the power that they wield!"
Addie got this point thanx to the brilliant adaptation&direction of DenisV!
where and when did herbert say that? because i see a comment like yours on every dune 2 video and i seriously doubt it
I don't know why my one comment doubled. Do I got a network virus?!? Sorry
This trilogy is the new Modern day "Lord of the Rings" Epic beyond measure.
_As it was always _*_meant_*_ to be._
I love how you were worried about Gurney fighting Rabban, but don’t forget the Harkonnens themselves said Atreides legions were the finest in the imperium, led by Gurney Haleck and Duncan Idaho
If people were laughing at Stilgar for shouting "Lisan Al Gaib", then they truly don't understand how fanaticism works, how it poisons you, and the destruction is causes throughout human history ... you shouldn't be laughing, you should be concerned
Nah I get it completely. Still hilarious tho.
Seeing this in the theater was truly a spectacle.
Chani, also known by her intimate name Sihaya (meaning Desert Spring), will be a concubine of Emperor Paul Atreides.
With the Emperor, she mothered Leto Atreides II the Elder, God-Emperor Leto Atreides II the Younger, and Ghanima Atreides.
The book ends:
Paul: “I swear to you now,” he whispered, “that you’ll need no title. That woman over there will be my wife and you but a concubine because this is a political thing and we must weld peace out of this moment, enlist the Great Houses of the Landsraad.
We must obey the forms. Yet that princess shall have no more of me than my name. No child of mine nor touch nor softness of glance, nor instant of desire.”
Jessica: “Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she’ll live as less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she’s bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.”
I think that the first act of Dune Messiah will be the War on one side and the reconciliation arc between Paul and Chani on the other. I think Chani will be a higher-up in a Fremen separatist group, not actively fighting against Paul but aggressively not joining him. Jessica or Alia will pay her a visit and enlist her help in defending Paul against the conspiracies. That visit will include the "history will call us wives" line. Even better, I think Jessica/Alia will say that Irulan has only her books to warm her bed, and will show Chani "Manual of Maud'Dib" and other of her writings. "The history that she herself writes concedes that his heart is yours only."
I was going to comment this but didn't know if it would be considered a spoiler but with the changes in this adaption we still don't really know how it will go but I am guessing it will happen.
@TheFalconerNZ No need to think, it IS a spoiler... *lol*
I recently got into the books (on the third one now), and I definitely like that Chani understood the reason why Paul did what he did, but this movie has made changes, so I'm intrigued on what they decide to and what they decide not to change...
@@xTPJRx I may not have made my point well as I meant it might be a spoiler for those that haven't read the books like Addie but I felt it did put their relationship in a bad situation.
I agree it will be interesting to see how this is resolved in Messiah if I get to see it as I am getting old & tomorrow is no longer a given especially for movies 4 & 5 with the expected release dates 2025, 2029 & 2031
I wish the movie had stuck closer to this ending.
34:55 the princess seemed quite impressed and charmed by Paul (from the first moment she ever heard of him.. and now even more). 😆
38:10 "are we allways be in some sort of war?"
Laughing in 3000 years of God Emperors galaxy domination :D
Remember that Part One and Part Two are actually the same novel. The next novel, Dune Messiah, is on its way.
An unforgettable experience in IMAX. If the team led by Denis can adapt Dune: Messiah with such skill as Dune, we are in for this generation's Lord of the Rings trilogy.
So glad they split this book into 2 parts. It really shows Paul's transition from a child heir, to a guerrilla soldier, to a holy emperor.
You should definitely go see this in theater. The seats shaking from that wall of sound that hits you when he rides the worm and the size of the screen just make this even more impactful.
Paul Muad'ib Atreides is the Kwiswatz Haderach, which touches on all the bases of the Bene Gesserit "prophecy." Remember that after taking the Water of Life, Paul said he could see one narrow path to avoid the bloodshed he feared. Since then, Everything he has done has been to follow that path.
I'm SO excited for this reaction. Addie's one of my favorite reactresses and this one of the single greatest movies ever made
It is definitely worth it to see it in theaters. Apart from how epic and beautiful this film is in general, there were a few scenes that stay with you if you watch them in the big screen. The worms attacking at the end is incredible, for example. The part where Paul finally becomes the leader of the Fremen and declares himself the Duke of Arrakis. But what I loved the most was the ending. I remember when Paul said "Silence!" to the reverend mother, you could feel the floor of the theater vibrating under your feet.
"How do you get off the worm?" Wait until it gets tired and it stops.
and off the tail end.
Paul trips down a sanddune Stilgar: "As is written. LISAN AL GAIB."
They really made his sisters ability to communicate from inside the womb not seem as weird as I thought it’d be and they handled that surprisingly well. BUT they really rushed through Paul’s awakening, his “a sleeper must awaken moment” and that kind of sucks. Also left out a lot of dialogue between Chani and Paul towards the end, and glossed over some very important and key details/scenes. But overall it was very good, just wish they’d have made it a bit longer, though I can understand not wanting a movie that drags on, but still.
imo this is mostly an issue the first one created. That film was so thin that piling anymore stuff into 2 probably would've made it overwhelming to people who were experiencing dune for the first time.
@@klebyell True
MASTERPIECE!! The way everything falls into place "as written" is so good in this movie, even Paul choosing his Fedaykin war name as joke and then immediately learning it means "he who points the way" (so good). I love how Paul & Lady Jessica were bossing it, in roles that fate bestowed upon them.
Yes you MUST see it in theaters. Soooo much fun.
One of the better films I've seen in a long time
So glad to see this! I think you really nail it when you say that everyone in this is terrifying in their own way. That is a very important part of Dune that the 1984 movie really failed to capture.
Dune doesn’t really have any stupid characters. Every single character is operating at their peak. Even Rabban is fairly intelligent, though I don’t think that part of him got much screen time. In the book there are some important things that he catches that are missed by the Baron. When you read the book, all of these characters are scary. Denis Villeneuve has managed to capture that.
Been waiting so much this reaction!! Amazing, Addie! 🤩🤩🤩
Okay, people! Nobody better tell Addie that, in the 1984 Lynch version, she's clearly a Harkonnen.
Love your reactions! Thanks for watching it for your first time on the channel, and I hope you get a chance to watch it in theaters! :)
Hey Addie. I can't believe you didn't have faith in Paul when he "Squared-off" against Feyd. 😂
the Atreides-Harkonnen feud actually spanned 10 thousand years.
"You want to control people? Tell them a messiah will come."
That right there sums up a major theme of these books and really much of what to see today in the real world.
Dr. Kynes has a killer line in the original novel, before death - well, a great and sobering thought before death:
"No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero."
Whether that "hero" who brings disaster to everyone, Fremen included, be Paul or anyone else. The more you stop seeing any person as a fallible, mortal human, and the more you start treating them like a false god, beyond criticism, the greater disaster you're willingly concocting for yourself. You'll notice how Paul and Chani's scenes together were down to earth, wholesome, turning their backs to any desires for power or pretend-godhood, and that's no coincidence. If you allow the principled person to die, and you instead raise a false idol in your own place, tragedy can follow easily, and many of your own followers will eventually follow the idea of you, but not you as a real person.
That you're more willing to root for Chani by the end of the film, or anyone who's at least slightly moderate and not obsessed with foolhardy backstabbing for the sake of power, you're actually "vibing" the overall storyline correctly. :-)
One of the main themes of Herbert's Dune novels, especially the original trilogy of novels, was that false prophets... may be hazardous to one's health... and that all human decisions and actions have consequences. (Counts for the fourth novel as well, as its events sent in an even farther future are a consequence of earlier events.) You could say the first few novels are about the implied rise, then fall of House Atreides, then a new rise - but under much shadier and darker circumstances - and the... well, the consequences. Hard to say if what comes after the renewed rise is a fall, though it is certainly a fall from grace compared to what the Atreides tried to be, even in a polity as cynical as the Imperium in the final years of Corrino rule.
Frank Herbert was always explicit about wanting to explore the danger of charismatic leaders to society, the "antihero's journey" as opposed to a proverbial hero's journey, and the consequences for humanity, as well as individual people. Saying that Paul is fairly unique in the history of science fiction, as both the protagonist and antagonist of his own story, isn't at all inaccurate. When I read and reread the novels already years ago, what fascinated me was Paul's character development. It's a study in a young person gaining too much responsibility and too much power far too early and far too quickly, being in over his head in more ways than one, and learning that no matter the pressure he personally faced, he bears responsibility for his actions, his words, his decisions. All the more when they gradually but firmly spiral out of his control. It's a study in a flawed but generally well-meaning person becoming a cynic who throws away idealism, follows the "calculus of power" (as Irulan put it), only to discover years later that he no longer holds the reins of power in his own hands, and he's having a hard time convincing to see Paul as Paul, not as Muad'Dib, the idealised icon they project their own ambitions and desires onto.
If you've ever seen Lean's film on Lawrence of Arabia, near the end, when Lawrence's Arab allies take Damascus, they meet at the local city hall and start negotiations over which tribe or clique gets to run what aspect of local government. This quickly devolves into arguments between them, because this group want to be overseers of the water utilities, these guys want to be bosses over the electric grid, or the telephone grid, etc. Cue arguments and infighting between people who took Damascus as a united force, just barely one or two days before that. Lawrence watches this, says nothing, but is flabbergasted that the previous unity of his allies has given in to cynicism and their own power plays and courtly intrigue. He returns home to the UK, rather disillussioned about that outcome. Unlike him, Paul can't go home anymore. Not to spoil too much, but a similar thing happens to many of the Fremen in power by the time of "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune". Infighting and corruption. (To the point that, despite nominal absolute loyalty to Paul, Paul feels increasingly like a figurehead emperor. A toy in the hands of the Fremen followers he "liberated" twelve years ago.) And yes, the "Messiah" in "Dune Messiah" was meant as ironic by Herbert. By the end of that story, Paul certainly no longer feels like a messianic figure, not even a cynical, fake messianic figure. I won't spoil more, but DM has one of the most interesting and thought-provoking stories in the whole series.
Addie always good to see you!😅
"I don't want anything to happen to Gurney! :("
Don't worry he's GOATed
Paul's not the hero, he's just the main character
Charismatic leaders should come with a warning label.
Why is everyone obsessed about the Paul being or not being a hero. It doesn't make sense to me.
@@ionnicoara6657 It's just a subversion of the usual expectation and people who aren't familiar with the overall story of Dune expect Paul to be the hero of the story. Viewers unfamiliar with the story don't realize that Dune Messiah more or less opens with an explanation that Paul's jihad has killed billions and billions and billions of people across the Imperium and that Paul is explicitly not a hero. Frank Herbert's intended message was that charismatic leaders are dangerous.
@@ionnicoara6657because author doesn't think paul should be celebrated
Paul IS meant to be a hero figure. The point is not for Paul to be a false hero, but to fear heroes themselves.
"No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero" - Frank Herbert
This really isn’t a sequel, more like the second half of one movie. There’s so much to the books these two movies could have been twice as long and we’d still be on the edge of our seats the whole time.
Okay, about the film Dune, we can say that Dune part 2 is a masterpiece, the best film of 2024. It’s been a long time since such amazing science fiction has come out in a long time. I haven’t been so happy about a film, from the plot, from the music and actors. the film is awesome in Timothée Chalamet and it’s true. The talented actor played Paul amazingly. I hope he gets an Oscar for best role.😊😊🤗💯👍
Fun fact: every movie kinda takes place in space
_Every_ movie is in space
In a certain sense, the BG and the padishah-emperor were hoist by their own petard. The BG spread artificial superstitious legends on numerous planets, including on Arrakis, to make it easier for them to exploit any potential false prophet to their own power-hungry ends. Mohiam admits this wholeheartedly. But this backfires on them, as once Paul is influenced by the Water of Life and decides to go the cynical route of appeasing many of the Fremen's superstitions, in order to become their revolutionary leader/prophet, he's basically exploiting and twisting the BG's past "measures" to his own (short-term) benefit. About the only thing where his path aligns with what the BG originally wanted is the shortcut. The BG called their desired puppet-prophet, whom they could control, a "shortening of the way". A shortcut for them, for even greater power over society in the Imperium (all the while telling themselves that they're doing this with good intentions - LOL, nawww...). Paul took the shortcut, but in the way he himself wanted to. This doesn't make his shortcut and its motivations better than that of the BG. It makes it arguably worse, as the ultimate motivator was still power, though Paul at least harboured some (ultimately naive) hopes he will be able to "steer" humanity through the period when Fremen start a holy war against others. Paul did wrestle himself and his path free of BG manipulations, but by abusing stuff the BG set up many years ago, he still took the cynical shortcut. "The means to an end" and all that, but abuse of such means can bring dire consequences sooner or later. Things that Paul and others will face by the time of "Dune Messiah".
I also find it bitterly funny that Jessica, despite her loyalties being so obviously and unhealthily divided between her genuine family (the Atreides) and the order that raised her and indoctrinated her (the BG), was constantly emphasizing "No, my loyalty is to Paul and Leto" throughout most of the story, up until she drinks the Water of Life. After that, she immediately stops having some sense of perspective and autonomy, like when she chastised Paul for even thinking of retribution/revenge, and instead does a 180 and becomes a Grade A agitator for the cynical shortcut. Villeneuve's take in particular implies that unborn-Alia and Jessica are in cahoots with (probable) past BG memories, through abuse of the spice, no longer having a guilty conscience at trying to position Paul as someone who should abuse the implanted superstitions to take advantage of the Fremen, purely for Atreides power interests. One has to wonder what the late Leto would have said about that, even at his most pragmatic. (I mean, even in the source material, Leto is explicit that he wants to be an ethical ruler, but his good treatment of Atreides subjects/retainers and the Fremen also doubles as a good bit of PR for the Atreides, and such. I think he'd still shake his head at seeing Jessica's and Paul's actions.)
Shaddam IV, likely assessed rather accurately by the baron as a "jealous man", a man feeling insecure in his power, had simply paniced, and decided to remove Leto Atreides and the entire House Atreides from the picture, remove them completely from Landsraad and Imperium politics and power-sharing. Purely out of fear of the Atreides overshadowing his popularity or making other houses question their loyalty to House Corrino if Shaddam or anyone else went too far. Herbert described Shaddam as not a stupid man, but not that cunning either. His feeble insults towards Paul's father - calling him a weak man, despite admiring him as a friend of many years - or the fact that Shaddam had grown comfortable in the position held by his Sardaukar, which might have made them too prideful and undermined their military performance, also points to this. Shaddam is not a brilliant chessmaster whom the universe fears, he's a man terrified of House Corrino losing its grip on power, face to face with pressure from the other houses, or orders like the BG or the Spacing Guild. He was frightened of the Corrinos losing a firm position on an imagined "tripod of power" in the Imperium, and rather than addressing this in a less extreme way, he also took the cynical shortcut as a way out of the growing instability and decadence of the Imperium.
When Irulan - who has ties to both the BG and House Corrino, of course - mentions in the prologue that her father always focused on the calculus of power, regardless of his ethics or convictions, that says a lot about Shaddam being willing to overlook his own friendship with Leto and adopt such drastic measures against those he sees as competition. The Atreides were a long-lived and storied house in the Imperium, as much as the Corrinos, so an attempt to wipe them out reeks of desperation, not power.
The fact that Paul's reign over the Imperium doesn't bring better stability than under the Corrinos, and brings even more instability, chaos, division, and plotting against each other, really says something about how deluded both Shaddam and the BG were in thinking they could hold onto the reins of power if they just do this, this or that. They couldn't. And everyone's decisions have consequences, even very grave consequences for humanity. Bear in mind, even with the Water of Life's "enhancement" of his visions, Paul still isn't sure how accurate they are. He tells himself, surely they are more accurate now. Well, in the later novels, he himself arrives at the realisation that even his most accurate visions might have been a big load of BS, this entire time. Spice is still a psychoactive substance, a de facto hallucination-inducing substance. Expecting visions enhanced by spice substances to be good signposts on what to do next, is like thinking it's a good idea making crucial policy decisions based on wild dreams you've dreamt after a big dinner before going to bed. Herbert seems to imply this was the case. Regardless of how captivating the spice-enhanced visions were, their accuracy is always in question, the characters defending them unreliable narrators. (This also goes hand in hand with how Herbert lambasted attitudes á la "yes, sir, Mr. charismatic leader sir, what should we do next, without question", even in the interviews he gave over a number of years regarding the Dune series.)
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While its true that it was clear Paul had the upper hand and nobody was going to stop him if they wanted to, its not the only reason why they let him kill the Baron. Fighting between the Great Houses is legal as long as they abide by certain rules of war, known as Kanly. Leaders personally fighting each other is perfectly acceptable, hence why when Paul challenged the Emperor, they let Feyd act as his champion and they let them fight it out.
Side note: One of the rules of war is that you can't kill people with nuclear weapons. All the Great Houses have nuclear weapons, but nobody ever uses them because its illegal. They were usually more symbolic than actually useful. As per rules of war, Paul didn't use the nukes directly to kill anyone (not least of which was because he wanted the Emperor alive).
Just bought a digital copy last Saturday so I could finally watch it here in Japan. Glad you waited, and glad I've already seen it!
Bear in mind that these first two movies were essentially the first book in a 6 book initial series.
Gotta watch every Denis Villenueve film. Polytechnique, Incendies, Prisoners.. the man is a modern artist.
Maybe start with Sicario for a gentler entry. Unless she's already watched it.
Incendies was beautiful, powerful, and I will never watch it again (bus scene).
He got slicker as time went on, but he definitely had some edge at one point. Not sure if it helped or hindered my experience of watching Incendies that I recognized all the neighborhoods in Montréal though.
Blade Runner 2049 is also his masterpiece
@diomedes7971 I didn't find her character insufferable at all. It was needed. I know most of us like to pretend to be badasses who understand how dirty and twisted this world is and how we'd be so onboard with activities like this if invited onboard, but I'm pretty sure most people would have the same trouble as her readjusting her worldview to include no-holds-barred strategies and lawlessness from the side that claims to be protecting and serving justice (applies to almost all countries).
People like her character would definitely exist, don't you think? And she provided a perspective of that, while everyone else around her was on the other side.
Dune 2 is so amazing. I hope the 3rd movie will be all the better, as the director said. 🤩
Few people say they really like the next book
Book 2 is just palace schemings.
Awesome films so far hopefully the 3rd is just as good or better
The Fremen Prophecy is fake, but the Bene Geserit one is essentially real but not a good thing in the immediate future.
Bro it’s all connected. Bene geserit have been implanting it for thousands of years
Best explanation I've seen is that the BG have known the basic recipe to make the Kwisatz Haderach for millennia (they just lacked a person with the right DNA), so they've seeded worlds with religious beliefs that amount to, "Anyone following this recipe is a messiah and must be worshipped."
there are 20 books in the dune series the first 6 are by the original author. to answer your question as to where all of this goes, read the next book (dune messiah) then children of dune those three can close out the primary storyline.
I still think the fourth is important as the conclusion of the Atreides story and for see the plans of Leto II
Hey Addie...
There are quite a few changes from the novel, especially in this half of the story. There will be a thrid, probably in a few years. The novel the third movie will be based on is the second book of the original 6 novels by Frank Herbert, Dune Messiah. This book will wrap up (for the most part), Paul's story. After that, other characters take center stage. The novels Frank wrote were: Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Chapterhouse: Dune. Frank died in 1986, and years after in the early 2000s, his son, Brian Herbert and co-author Kevin J. Anderson started writing new novels (about 14 to 16 at the moment) mainly based on notes Frank has hidden in a safe deposit box in notebooks and antiquated computer discs. The main 6 novels are all worthwhile, and while they get really weird at times, are amazing!
- Chani. In the novel, Chani and Paul's love story is at the center of this book. She never doubts him, and in fact, believe that he is the Mahdi. She even had Bene Gesserit training, so that when Jessica becomes a Reverend Mother, Chani becomes a Sayyadina (Friend of God) and one of the wise women of the Sietch. There is a lot more, and some of it is tragic. Suffice it say, Chani accepts that Paul must marry Irulan, and become Emperor. Jessica even consoles Chani with the final lines of the book, telling Chani, "we who bear the name of concubine, history will call us wives."
- Alia. Paul's sister, Jessica & Leto's daughter, in the novel is born with the full knowledge of a Reverend Mother, because Jessica takes the Water of Life. The timeline in the book between the destruction of House Atreides and the Battle of Arakeen is 2 years. And during that time, Paul learns to be Fremen, falls in love with Chani, and helps..then leads the Fremen to choke off spice production.
A lot of changes will have to be made if Anya Taylor Joy is playing Alia in Dune 3, as Dune Messiah takes place 12 years after Paul becomes Emperor. However...I cannot wait!
Since Dune Messiah is a much shorter book in comparison to Dune, the most likely option, the same the miniseries from the 2000s took, is to adapt Dune Messiah and some parts of Children of Dune in the same movie.
29:12 fun part: it’s both!
Addaam reshii a-zaanta (Long live the fighters), Addie. I'm so glad that you enjoyed Dune: Part Two (2024). This is currently my favorite movie of the year, so far. I saw it in IMAX 1.90:1 THREE times. First with my girlfriend, again with my best friend and a third time with my older sister. Every time I saw it in IMAX was awesome. You should watch Zendaya again in Challengers (2024). My girlfriend & I saw it in Dolby Cinema, last Friday, and we both enjoyed it. #ChallengersForAddieCounts
@Addie Counts - some of this was practically lifted straight from “Monty Python - The Life of Brian” - such as 08:59 [“Only the true messiah would deny his divinity”] about the Mahdi.
Ah.. no, the Dune books was before Monty Python - “The Life of Brian” so
But you may be right about comedy of being lifted from that film until you think about it. Bd horrified by the “Holy War” against the Great Houses.
@@Jason_xofilos the line in Dune Part 2 isn’t from the book…they pretty much lifted it from “Life of Brian” because it fit with the scene and theme he was trying to get across.
Remember that Gurney Halleck described the Harkonnen as "animals." Watching them (or reading the novels), you get the impression that many forms of psychopathy run in their bloodline.
In the novels only Rabban is viciously mad.
Vlad always kill with an ending in mind, he says he despise purposeless violence, he is a rational psycho.
Feyd was in fact the normal of the family, in the books he didn’t tried to kill anyone outside coluseum and duels.
@@adamnesico, in the books, Herbert shows us the characters' minds. On the screen, all we see is their actions. All of the Harkonnens are vicious and violent, though some of them (Vlad and Feyd-Rautha) rationalize it in their own ways.
I thought it was weird that they played Chani like this, what with it being such a major departure from the story. However, upon hearing that there is a part three coming, then it kinda makes sense, because the finale part of this story and beginning part of Messiah doesn't really have a whole lot to it. So this modification/add-on is kind of a love story thing that was added for the next movie.
An absolute masterpiece.
"Will we always be at some kind of war?!"
*looks out my window* Yes.
Best movie 2024 so far , period. Such a ride
Stilgar's Lisan-Al-Gaib makes me lmao.
miss addie ! if it’s still in theaters wherever you are go see it real quick 😂😂
Personally I don't see it as a choice about preferring part one or part two as they are both fantastic and are two halves of one story. So you can't have one without the other. Both are beautifully made with Greig Fraser's cinematography being simply stunning. Bring on Dune Messiah.
29:14 it's a self fulfilling prophecy...so yes to both questions 💜
I was wondering if you would he able to wait for this for the channel. I'm glad you did! Absolutely go and see it in the theatre. 3D if you can. I honestly can't get enough of this universe! May thy knife chip and shatter
Kudos for waiting it out Addie! Now go and enjoy it in all its iMAX Glory!
Love the dad joke attempts 😂
Great reaction to this amazing Dune sequel
Saw it in imax twice. It was an incredible experience. Basically a perfect movie
we all need a hype man like stilgar haha
it blew everyone away
What you need to do is keep a look out this summer for a Dune 1 and Dune 2 double feature in IMAX or Dolby theaters. They have to do it. It would be too perfect.
Even more perfect if they cut out the end credits of part one and make a long movie with an intermission.
Please go see this in a theater if you can! Love the reactions, but experiencing this is a cinema is so different.
The flinching at the sand blasts really speaks to the astounding level of immersion they achieved with the worm-riding scene. 😁Make sure you go see it in IMAX when you go!
13:15 All I could think about was that soon she would be the one riding the worm.
One of the things I think is amazing about this movie (and the first one) is how brutal and sudden the deaths are. A lot of movies draw out the deaths of key characters, but in Dune part 2 especially it’s sudden and then it’s over. And during the fights (especially the duel at the end) there’s nothing else happening, everything is focused purely on the fight.
It's important to remember that the 'prophecy' was a literal story invented by the Bene Gesseret to fit the limited vision of the future they had. They planted the story so that more primitive tribes would follow him when the time came.
It's worth several watches for the story and the differences. Even more in IMAX for the experience
29:07 That’s the point 😂
The Dune book is about a story of what happens when you follow a charismatic leader and what happens in light of blind faith
Thumbnail looks clean! Amazing work
Nice space jokes, Addie!! 🎉🎉
Definitely hit up a cinema for this one. Worth it for the sound alone.