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I love the Fidelio X3. It's the sound signature I like most in headphones. The Ad1000x, K712, HD560s etc. The design, sound, and comfort makes the X3 my favorite headphone right now.
@@LubberKing More mid=forward, expansive and airy sound. Solid bass, delicate highs, warm tilt in the overall sound. x3 > x2HR...but that's my opinion.
Wow, as an owner of the HD 600 (OG 1997 model), Sundara (2020 revision), and X3, I couldn't disagree more, especially regarding the treble. As someone who loathes bright or overly detailed treble, and can't stand ANY Grado or beyerdynamic (from entry to flagship) because of their sibilance problems, the X3 to my ears is FAAAAR less fatiguing and peaky, even over the HD 600 and especially the HD 660s!
Thanks for the detailed review! I have both HD600 and Sundara, I will skip the X3s because I am allergic to spiky treble (but I also love detailed treble, just needs to be smooth like the HD600 and Sundara)
I got both x3&x2hr, be honestlly and the sound is very very big different, the x3 can feel better dynamic, more tight bass details and less dynamic compression. if you listen to the violin or piano, you can hear the “Grainy” and “muscle” is more spririt than the X2HR. But X2HR still have these advantages. the 1st is the x2hr got deeper bass expansion. Yes!! the X3's bass is powerful but not too deep. The 2nd because the X2HR sounding more soft in whole frequency, especailly in treble range, you can feel some deeper soundstage and extensive soundfield.
Hey fantastic review ! Btw did you try swapping cables between hifiman and X3? Also I recommend trying the x3 through a nice balanced amplifier. Keep it up bro!
I was searching a shorter x3 cable but there is nothing to find. So I bought a 3,5mm splitter and 2 identical 3,5mm cables and it works. For my ears the x3 is much better than the x2 . I was a big lover from the x2hr but now it’s the x3. Big love for the x3 ❤️🥰❤️
Many thanks for this comparison! The question remains: is it worth upgrading from X2 to Sundara? I like the warm and dark sound of X2(as for open headphones). Will I get similar from Sundara? Or is it better to wait for the release of X4? ;)
@@SuperReview Hmm, thanks for the quick response. I found out that in the audio store near me there are exhibition samples of Sundara, HD 600 and even HD 650 (now there is a discount - they even cost $ 10 cheaper than the 600s). One of these days I will come and hope that I will like something
zeos gets hyped about everything. he said the shp9500s were comfortable and sound amazing, when in reality the pads feel rough as hell and feel like theyre made of carboard and they sound mediocre.
It is interesting that i hear the x3 is highly fatiguing, because for me it allows you to more casually listen, i was not fatigued in any way. I just bought it and I think there is no heavy emphasis on treble. However the sundara and hd600 are considered some of the great headphones. But tbh if you want to have something you can wear outside and beat up a little there is only 1 option, and the x2hr are not, people think your a time traveler if they see you wearing those.
I'm OK if they want to try a different sound, and the price could make sense since the old headphone got cheap over time (didn't start out that way). But... too much treble.
Have all 3 of them. The cable thing is a construction problem, I have returned my first pair thinking this is a faulty unit, but it wasn't. Its weird but I think Philips did not want the users use aftermarket cables. The other weird think is even the balanced 2.5 mm cable is the same length. I would understand perhaps the reason for the length of the unbalanced cable, but the other has to come with max 1.2 m in length I believe. Knowing the history of the Philips headphones, I believe the unit responsible now for marketing of these does not understand the market. They probably did not wanted to create a product for audiophiles, such as X2HR was, but a product to compete with Apples and B&Os of the world, hence the choice of prime materials and the price point selected. They did not realize it won't really compete with those, and put the X3 right to compete with the Sundara and HD's where it really can't do the job. I got lucky to get my pair for 180 Eur, and believe for this price, it is a very good product. But not for 300+...
U can use every 3,5mm or 2,5mm cable on the x3 I bought a standard 3,5mm splitter and 2 standard 3,5mm cables and it work’s perfectly. Now I have a 1m 3,5mm cable and a 1,5m 3,5mm cable for my X3
Tip for HD6 owners when original pads destroyed dont throw then away take out the clip and buy Shure 440 840 1440 1840 that are cheap and velur or leather. And the Shure 1540 the ones with holes the expensive and fit them around the ring then click them inside the HD6 series and good to go.
@@SuperReview Rating the x2 as a better headphone than the x3 is very surprising. I think it is fair to *like* the x2 better than the x3, and good on people for that, but saying they are *better* in an objective sense? I would disagree. Now, neither of the headphones are for me, but I did spend some time with both of them. I personally preferred the x2 because they were a more relaxed listen rather than the actively listen on the x3, but the x3 sounds objectively better. It certainly has problems. Such as being sibilant at times. Such as in trying to elbow itself into an established scene with stiff competition. But in a vacuum it is the better sounding headphone, a good sounding headphone, even a great sounding headphone. The x2 stops short there, but is decidedly more fun. But as the question was for better? Either you had a dud x3, I had a dud x2 or one of us has dud ears. I hope that's me, because you are the one doing this for a living. More fun, yes - better, no. Have a good day! (not trying to be confrontational and I am certainly not attacking you. This is how I pursue discussion and I have been told it comes across abrasive(?) to Americans. Easier to provide disclaimers than fundamentally reroute how my brain communicates via my third language) (I didn't end up with either, because of my head design. :P The clamping force gave me a lower jaw induced migraine out of the box, and didn't want to spend the effort on breaking them in)
The Fidelio X3 looks really brilliant!! Glad to see Sundara still sitting on top imaging headphones among these three. It's my favourite headphone under 500$ price tag!! Thanks for this detailed video.
If u are lucky one and dont get any problems. My Sundara had 2 times problems under warranty and i sold them after that. No point og having a headphone that will not work after 2 or 3 years.
@@SuperReview problems with left driver. Cut off sound and the next one had lower volume. The third was working great . But i was to afraid to keep it. I sold them lost 100 euros and call it a day.
@@Tripokaridos22 I also heard about some quality issues with the Hifiman products. But luckily my unit is running strong since past 6 months and I use it almost every other day. Sad to know you faced some issues :(
I suppose that a sennheiser 58x jubilee kicks it ass costing only 150 dol (less than half), kinda hard competion for the x3 price, the prices soon will drop i guess
Thank you for the brilliant review super*. You're the undisputed subjective headphone reviewer champion as far as I'm concerned. Rtings the champ of the objective analysis. But you both usually echo each other. Z review and that guy who does all the comparison videos are the king's of demo. Oluv is runner up in every category. 😁. Joentell is king of speaker reviews.
Hey ! Thanks for the review ! I am a little bit lost, i am going to play fps competitive games AND listening to Rap / Hip-Hop songs (Travis Scott, Post Malone, etc.) Between these three, which one have the most "punchy" bass (not the quality but like the quantity of bass, the "boom boom" if you know what i mean ?) ? I am hesitating between the Sundara and X3 because X3 is 290€ and Sundara is 350€, but i know there is A LOT of QC issues with the Sundara :/ Thank in advance !
Cable length is not a really valid point of contention IMO, different people have different use cases. Personally I enjoy a long 10ft cord because I sit a good distance from my rig.
That's fine if you do, I don't so I said it :P This entire review is relative to my preferences. I understand it's not everyone else's, I can only speak for myself.
If Phillips tightened and extended the bass, and made the treble sound like the 6xx, they would’ve had a hit and made money. They had 5 and a half years to make improvements but seem to have mucked it up.
Friend, HELP !. I do not know which one to buy. This HiFiMan Sundara, Philips Fidelio X3 , The AKG 712Pro and the Sennheiser HD600. I am one of those who sits down with "a whiskey" to enjoy Music. I like Sound almost FLAT, but with a LOTS of SoundStage and Imagine and lots of detail. I dont like the Headphones with increased frequencies. I hate shrill trebles (I get tired very quickly), and I like with a little deep bass, without exaggerating that, just a bit. I like New Wave, Synthpop and some Progressive Rock. Greetings from Japan !, Tremendous Channel! Thank you!!
X3 is shrill treble. Not sure about K712; I've heard KXX but not sure how much they have in common. I find it kinda bloated and muddy. Sundara is very good with decent bass extension. Slightly off timbre. HD 600 is my personal favorite, great midrange tone and texture. Bass is not strong, but it's decent for me.
@@SuperReview That's right, I'm between 50% and 50% with Sundara and HD600. In the Audiophilic world the HD600 is the master reference and I believe it, but there are more and more excellent reviews of how incredible the sound of the Sundara is. Thank you so much for your answer. I really appreciate your opinion.
@@SuperReview I don't understand english at all, if you could summarize it for me.. what's the difference in the sound? i mean is an improvement or just sounds different?
S1RuX They took away bass, a little flabby but nice, but added to the treble problem. In other words they failed on both ends. Seems like it’s just another Fidelio L2.
Don’t watch reviews try it out sound is subjective I was watching this and was about not to buy the x3 but I’m soooooo happy that i bought the x3 it’s sounds much better than the good old x2
I compared the Philips X2HR against my HD 600 and the treble on the Philips felt grainy and low quality. I can't find any headphones with the HD 600 smooth, high quality treble.
Manufacturers won't want you to review their headphones man. You're honest. Manufacturers only want Z to do reviews because he's just a salesman/ full of shxt.
Hello, the previous X2HR were reated 5 stars and the X3 only 3 stars. Could you please tell me how would you rate the X2HR today? How H2HR compare to HD600? Thank You in advance!
With an updated review, I'd probably rate the X2s 4-stars. Still a solid headphone, especially at the prices you can find it now. Vs. HD 600, the X2's vocals are more withdrawn, bass is more present, and there's some extra treble zip. Generally I find the midrange of the HD 600 much richer, full, and detailed.
@@SuperReview thank you very much. I am thinking of buying the X2S for leastening pleasure.. and Audio Technica M40X for critical listening. What do you think of the M40X? I was much impressed by this video th-cam.com/video/sj69-mWHV3E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SonicSenseProAudio
From speculation, I think about 50% of X2/X2HR customers are buying them for FPS gaming performance, so HD600 definitely isn't comparable with that benchmark in mind. So, I would do a standalone FPS gaming comparison, and optionally a standalone music/overall comparison.
Everyone should just buy used hd600 on eBay for$200 or less like I did 4 years ago. All my other headphones get no attention. Except my wireless earbuds dudios zeus ace. I've thought about getting the hd6xx. Not only do the hd600 sound great, they demo all other gear the best, are comfortable, can hear around you because they're open back, best demoing headphone I know of.
People hype 6xx and they are good for instrumental music and intimate voice presentation but for other stuff the soundstage is narrow and base is very sterile. 4XX works much better for me (esp after some EQ and added padding) - decently deep, wide, clear.
The cable is designed so that it doesn't matter which plug is connected to which socket, left and right will always be correct. One earpiece uses tip and lower sleeve and the other earpiece uses tip and upper sleeve. Monoprice M560 used the same design feature. That's why your OTC cable is 'kinda weird'.
That not true On the cable are L and R symbols. When you put R cable in left cup and L cable in the right cup ur headphone doesn’t work The original cable is realy funny I looked for a shorter one but it’s impossible to get a y cable with 3 x 3,5mm So I bought a 3,5mm splitter and 2 same 3,5mm cables and it’s works perfectly. I don’t know what’s wrong with the Philips cable ,it’s makes no sense L and R symbols on a TRS cable
They re-tuned the Sundara and rolled off the highs. I bought a pair and returned them. For all they did right I just couldn't get past the lack of treble openness.
@@SuperReview th-cam.com/video/mMPGRbKHieM/w-d-xo.html This guy charted the frequency response of the Sundara and the update. He loved the new version, I thought I would, too. No such luck.
@@SuperReview As for what I like better, well, I'm looking. I wish someone would put together a Sennheiser audition kit so I could compare 3 or 4 of their best and make my choice!
@@SuperReview I have a pair of Grado sr225e at work; given the right music they are beautiful. They don't have the richness of the Sundara's, and they fall flat if orchestral music gets too loud and complex. But choral music or classical guitar? They're wonderful. But what do I know?
Good review, I am doubting, I do not know if you have tried the shure 1840, among the shure. 1840 and the hifiman sundara which one would you choose? I'm also looking at the audeze lcd-2 classic but they go up a lot in price. Thank you.
I haven't heard the 1840. Between Sundara and LCD-2C, I prefer the tonality of the Sundara, and it's a more comfortable headphone -- the Audeze is pretty heavy. But Audeze is a bit more relaxed a listen, both have some mild treble harshness vs. something like HD600, but the 2C is definitely warmer, thicker, more laid back. Sundara is more transparent sounding.
Buy them Before I bought my x3 I was watch this video and I don’t want to buy the x3 . But,I watch many other videos and read in the internet about the x3 and I’m sooooooooo happy to bought them. And buy the way I was a realy big fan of the x2hr. I fall in love with the x3. I say buy the x3 for 170 ,if u don’t like them u can return them. Don’t hear on TH-cam reviewers try it by ur own and do ur own opinion. My tip if u use a usb c dac/amp with the x3 like the hiby f3 or hiby f4 u will love them more and more.
I found something about sound. I love my hd600 but if I follow their sounds signature in my car speakers, it doesn't sound good. Just like wearing hd600 in a running car with road noise they won't sound good.
For me the best that i have listen under 1.000 are HD660s and Sundara. And over 1.000 Focal Clear . i wish Hifiman fix there quality problems on the next Sundara.
@@SuperReview My first pair after 1 -2 weeks some times the left driver was working and some others dont . I send them back waited for 1-2 months and they send me other , The second pair had the left driver volume lower i thought that was my ears many people hear them and yeah they was lower volume , Again the third pair came in and i sold them. I love headphones i am a collector and i wanted to have them for years and give them to my childs . So to my understanding and from what i have read on amazon and forums , Hifiman headphones are an amazing headphone with an expire date .
@@SuperReview Can i ask do u know if the new 2020 version from Thomman store is better quality ? I am thinking buying again i miss the sound of them but i wan to know that after the warranty i will not habe problems again.
@@bradhuskers i know its great i have them. I like both 660s and Sundara... 660s have better imaging and are smoother and sound organic And Sundara have better seperation and sound clinical Organic. I love both of them but to me 660s are better more natural.
U should listen HD660s its like HD600 but faster bigger soundstage tight bass and most of all better imaging. Trust me i know i have all Sennheiser 5 and 6 series.
My friend loaned me a set of 660s, along with HD650s, and I spent extensive time comparing the three. We both prefer the HD600 FWIW. 660s seem somewhere between 600 and 650, but easier to drive.
@@SuperReview HD 660s are somewhere between 600 and 650 they have the midrange of HD 600 and the warm of HD 650 ... But HD 660s have way better image and seperation something like Stax or Sundaras. The soundstage its a little bit biger personally i dont like big soundstage on my music, On the other hand HD 660s also have faster and tighter sound. But i understand that some people its hard to Change the HD 600 that i also love because all these years our ears learned to love this sound. The same happened to me . So i keep all of them HD 600 , 650 and 660 they are very close but also different , i want keep them because i collect 5 and 6 series. I can understand your favorite of all of them , but fact is that technically 660s are better even if u dont like the FR .
I honestly had a hard time making out any difference in stage and imaging that wasn't better explained by the fact that they play louder at the same volume settings :P
@@SuperReview really ? Interesting...Doesnt better imaging makes u hear with closed eyes the direction of each sound ? And not only that HD650 and 600 sound like there is no air between the instruments. I would ask about your amp dacs but i will not because even with low volume and bad amps u can hear the separation. Winona Oak listen some songs from her there are a lot of instruments and the breath of her voice u can easily separete with Sundara and HD 660. Sont get my wrong 600 and 650 are amazing and for most neutral sound everyone knows that 600 is the king. But Sundara and 660 sound more clear fast and modern. I respect your opinion but it sounds strange to me. Even with the first 10 minites i could easily hear the differences.
@@SuperReview same happens with HD600 hybrid pads. And yeah HD6 series pads are hybrid outside is velur and inside the ring are synthetic leather they also.use gray fast bound foam higly air penetrated. So i 3d print the inside plastic ring of the original HD6 pads and ...Let.me tell.u that a lot.of pads fit...around the ring and click positive on Sennheiser HD6 series. I have Tested. Shure 440 840 1440 1540 1840 that fit . also M50X terrible pads fit. Bose q35 also fit and many others. Shure 1540 was the best for HD600 they give some warmth and soundstage but they need more power.because they are far from the driver.
...on sound X2's strong point was big stage with big base, everything else being kinda crap....and now they've taken out half the good stuff and doubled the price. :facepalm:
@@SuperReview thanks that's still a good score from yourself, I'm very tempted, I'm just concerned that on my journey I to higher quality music I may not quite be ready for the 600 or 560s level of neutrality yet although my hunger for bass does see to be decreasing month on month and after getting the Audeze Mobius it now takes a while before I can enjoy listening to my XM4's as they just sound so grainy and muddled at first.
@@SuperReview I have never heard an open back headphone in my life, I am trying to decide which one to get as my first pair and the x2, 560s or 400i 2020 although I have to say the Mobius seems to let in so much ambient noise I'm not sure it's really a closed back sometimes. That's not a critisn of them I find with the 100mm drivers even low vol music and everything just disappears unless it's quite loud.
Super disappointed considering the looong wait. You were very kind in this review I think. There are also other headphones at this price range that seem to be better sounding than these. Philips should have taken profit from the long period to really think the technalities...
@@SuperReview nope but I know the Sundara and HD600, your review made understand the kind of FR of the X3. And the problem is that I do not find the Sundara and HD600 that good either.
Hard for me to choose between Sundaras and HD600s, Sundara on definition and bass quality, Sennheiser on midrange and treble quality. Sennheiser easier to recommend without some of the build concerns I have with Sundara.
Lol 1000 xm4 the king of headphones. U can’t compare openback headphones with closedback and by the way xm4 is Bluetooth lol I have the xm4 too,the Fidelio x3 sounds so much better than xm4 ,the x2hr sounds so much better than the xm4 too. Xm4/5 are overpriced plastic cans.
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I love the Fidelio X3. It's the sound signature I like most in headphones. The Ad1000x, K712, HD560s etc. The design, sound, and comfort makes the X3 my favorite headphone right now.
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The x2.hr. is better
@@LubberKing More mid=forward, expansive and airy sound. Solid bass, delicate highs, warm tilt in the overall sound. x3 > x2HR...but that's my opinion.
@@LubberKing yes less. More clarity
@@LubberKing
Don't be fooled.
The x2hr is more balanced.
Wow, as an owner of the HD 600 (OG 1997 model), Sundara (2020 revision), and X3, I couldn't disagree more, especially regarding the treble. As someone who loathes bright or overly detailed treble, and can't stand ANY Grado or beyerdynamic (from entry to flagship) because of their sibilance problems, the X3 to my ears is FAAAAR less fatiguing and peaky, even over the HD 600 and especially the HD 660s!
Interesting, I wonder what the difference is.
For you which is better (allí rounder over ear) Sundara or X3?
i cant stand the treble of the x3, im returning it because of the sibilance
@@badgermcbadger1968
The x2hr. Beats all 3
@@bradhuskers nah
The X2 and X3's are both on sale (for Prime day, I think, so you might need that) for under $120 right now
Good review, informative👍🏻
Thanks for the detailed review! I have both HD600 and Sundara, I will skip the X3s because I am allergic to spiky treble (but I also love detailed treble, just needs to be smooth like the HD600 and Sundara)
Excellent review. Thank you very much for the detailed comparison.
Very well explained review, clear and to the point.
I got both x3&x2hr, be honestlly and the sound is very very big different, the x3 can feel better dynamic, more tight bass details and less dynamic compression. if you listen to the violin or piano, you can hear the “Grainy” and “muscle” is more spririt than the X2HR. But X2HR still have these advantages. the 1st is the x2hr got deeper bass expansion. Yes!! the X3's bass is powerful but not too deep. The 2nd because the X2HR sounding more soft in whole frequency, especailly in treble range, you can feel some deeper soundstage and extensive soundfield.
Whats your favourite? For ALL around (músic, games, TH-cam, etc)? X2 or X3?
@@ivanivanovici I think they are all good，but X2HR still more adaptable for all around:)
@@treetam2865
100% correct.
The x2hr. Is best all around
Great review. Really useful comparisons.
Hey fantastic review ! Btw did you try swapping cables between hifiman and X3? Also I recommend trying the x3 through a nice balanced amplifier. Keep it up bro!
Yeah, I talked about the cable swap a bit in the video. X3 not compatible with Sundara cables.
I was searching a shorter x3 cable but there is nothing to find.
So I bought a 3,5mm splitter and 2 identical 3,5mm cables and it works.
For my ears the x3 is much better than the x2 .
I was a big lover from the x2hr but now it’s the x3.
Big love for the x3 ❤️🥰❤️
Nice vid man. Nice to see the HD600, one of my favs.
How is it still so good?
Many thanks for this comparison!
The question remains: is it worth upgrading from X2 to Sundara?
I like the warm and dark sound of X2(as for open headphones). Will I get similar from Sundara?
Or is it better to wait for the release of X4? ;)
Sundara is pretty different from X2s. I think Sundara is an upgrade in sound, but less emphasis on low end and more emphasis on midrange.
@@SuperReview Hmm, thanks for the quick response.
I found out that in the audio store near me there are exhibition samples of Sundara, HD 600 and even HD 650 (now there is a discount - they even cost $ 10 cheaper than the 600s). One of these days I will come and hope that I will like something
Please, review Sivga Phoenix this is awesome open back headphone for bass and Zeos hyped about it 🙏😍😍
Hmm 🧐
zeos gets hyped about everything. he said the shp9500s were comfortable and sound amazing, when in reality the pads feel rough as hell and feel like theyre made of carboard and they sound mediocre.
Thank you. Good review.
It is interesting that i hear the x3 is highly fatiguing, because for me it allows you to more casually listen, i was not fatigued in any way. I just bought it and I think there is no heavy emphasis on treble. However the sundara and hd600 are considered some of the great headphones. But tbh if you want to have something you can wear outside and beat up a little there is only 1 option, and the x2hr are not, people think your a time traveler if they see you wearing those.
I really like my Fidelio X2HR, not sure why they changed so much of the sound with the X3, and jacked the price.
I'm OK if they want to try a different sound, and the price could make sense since the old headphone got cheap over time (didn't start out that way). But... too much treble.
Have all 3 of them. The cable thing is a construction problem, I have returned my first pair thinking this is a faulty unit, but it wasn't. Its weird but I think Philips did not want the users use aftermarket cables. The other weird think is even the balanced 2.5 mm cable is the same length. I would understand perhaps the reason for the length of the unbalanced cable, but the other has to come with max 1.2 m in length I believe. Knowing the history of the Philips headphones, I believe the unit responsible now for marketing of these does not understand the market. They probably did not wanted to create a product for audiophiles, such as X2HR was, but a product to compete with Apples and B&Os of the world, hence the choice of prime materials and the price point selected. They did not realize it won't really compete with those, and put the X3 right to compete with the Sundara and HD's where it really can't do the job. I got lucky to get my pair for 180 Eur, and believe for this price, it is a very good product. But not for 300+...
U can use every 3,5mm or 2,5mm cable on the x3
I bought a standard 3,5mm splitter and 2 standard 3,5mm cables and it work’s perfectly.
Now I have a 1m 3,5mm cable and a 1,5m 3,5mm cable for my X3
@@skyhero1888 thats not the point, I have also purcahsed aftermarket cables, however Philips does not understand the market..
Tip for HD6 owners when original pads destroyed dont throw then away take out the clip and buy Shure 440 840 1440 1840 that are cheap and velur or leather. And the Shure 1540 the ones with holes the expensive and fit them around the ring then click them inside the HD6 series and good to go.
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These reviews are just like Z reviews but to the point and based on reality (and no waifus). Thank you.
But fewer memes.
I'd say by "detail" people usually measure how well you can separate the instrument/sound of what you're listening.
Great review man! really helpful - wanted to ask which of these would you recommend for audio mixing? Many Thanks
I don't personally do audio mixing so I'm probably not the best to give advice in that area, but I would use HD600.
@@SuperReview Cheers man :)
Hello. Excellent review. Please tell me where would you place Fidelio X2 from best to worst if you compare them with Sundara, Fidelio X3 and HD600?
X3
@@SuperReview Rating the x2 as a better headphone than the x3 is very surprising. I think it is fair to *like* the x2 better than the x3, and good on people for that, but saying they are *better* in an objective sense? I would disagree.
Now, neither of the headphones are for me, but I did spend some time with both of them. I personally preferred the x2 because they were a more relaxed listen rather than the actively listen on the x3, but the x3 sounds objectively better. It certainly has problems. Such as being sibilant at times. Such as in trying to elbow itself into an established scene with stiff competition. But in a vacuum it is the better sounding headphone, a good sounding headphone, even a great sounding headphone. The x2 stops short there, but is decidedly more fun. But as the question was for better? Either you had a dud x3, I had a dud x2 or one of us has dud ears. I hope that's me, because you are the one doing this for a living. More fun, yes - better, no. Have a good day!
(not trying to be confrontational and I am certainly not attacking you. This is how I pursue discussion and I have been told it comes across abrasive(?) to Americans. Easier to provide disclaimers than fundamentally reroute how my brain communicates via my third language)
(I didn't end up with either, because of my head design. :P The clamping force gave me a lower jaw induced migraine out of the box, and didn't want to spend the effort on breaking them in)
@@SuperReview hd600 better than sundara ? why?
The Fidelio X3 looks really brilliant!! Glad to see Sundara still sitting on top imaging headphones among these three. It's my favourite headphone under 500$ price tag!!
Thanks for this detailed video.
Sundara is indeed very nice to listen to.
If u are lucky one and dont get any problems. My Sundara had 2 times problems under warranty and i sold them after that. No point og having a headphone that will not work after 2 or 3 years.
What issues?
@@SuperReview problems with left driver. Cut off sound and the next one had lower volume. The third was working great . But i was to afraid to keep it. I sold them lost 100 euros and call it a day.
@@Tripokaridos22 I also heard about some quality issues with the Hifiman products. But luckily my unit is running strong since past 6 months and I use it almost every other day.
Sad to know you faced some issues :(
I suppose that a sennheiser 58x jubilee kicks it ass costing only 150 dol (less than half), kinda hard competion for the x3 price, the prices soon will drop i guess
58x are amazing for the price but 600 650 and 660 are better if u really listen them for a long time.
Thank you for the brilliant review super*. You're the undisputed subjective headphone reviewer champion as far as I'm concerned. Rtings the champ of the objective analysis. But you both usually echo each other. Z review and that guy who does all the comparison videos are the king's of demo. Oluv is runner up in every category. 😁. Joentell is king of speaker reviews.
I wish you'd talk about timbre, especially since you compare a lot to HD600.
Hey ! Thanks for the review !
I am a little bit lost, i am going to play fps competitive games AND listening to Rap / Hip-Hop songs (Travis Scott, Post Malone, etc.)
Between these three, which one have the most "punchy" bass (not the quality but like the quantity of bass, the "boom boom" if you know what i mean ?) ?
I am hesitating between the Sundara and X3 because X3 is 290€ and Sundara is 350€, but i know there is A LOT of QC issues with the Sundara :/
Thank in advance !
Have you considered Fidelio X2? I think it has more bass than either of these, and generally like it better than the X3. Plus it's cheaper.
@@SuperReview i think that for competitive fps game, the x2hr is not really good because there is too much bass from what i've read on reddit :/
Cable length is not a really valid point of contention IMO, different people have different use cases. Personally I enjoy a long 10ft cord because I sit a good distance from my rig.
That's fine if you do, I don't so I said it :P This entire review is relative to my preferences. I understand it's not everyone else's, I can only speak for myself.
Sundara is such a beautiful name
If Phillips tightened and extended the bass, and made the treble sound like the 6xx, they would’ve had a hit and made money.
They had 5 and a half years to make improvements but seem to have mucked it up.
Yeah, that sounds like what I would've wanted to see with an X3. Tighter bass with a bit more sub extension, tame the treble a tad, bam.
Could this be achieved w a pad mod or is the driver bass capabilities simply not there?...
Friend, HELP !. I do not know which one to buy. This HiFiMan Sundara, Philips Fidelio X3 , The AKG 712Pro and the Sennheiser HD600.
I am one of those who sits down with "a whiskey" to enjoy Music. I like Sound almost FLAT, but with a LOTS of SoundStage and Imagine and lots of detail. I dont like the Headphones with increased frequencies. I hate shrill trebles (I get tired very quickly), and I like with a little deep bass, without exaggerating that, just a bit. I like New Wave, Synthpop and some Progressive Rock. Greetings from Japan !, Tremendous Channel! Thank you!!
X3 is shrill treble.
Not sure about K712; I've heard KXX but not sure how much they have in common. I find it kinda bloated and muddy.
Sundara is very good with decent bass extension. Slightly off timbre.
HD 600 is my personal favorite, great midrange tone and texture. Bass is not strong, but it's decent for me.
@@SuperReview That's right, I'm between 50% and 50% with Sundara and HD600. In the Audiophilic world the HD600 is the master reference and I believe it, but there are more and more excellent reviews of how incredible the sound of the Sundara is. Thank you so much for your answer. I really appreciate your opinion.
Don't miss the Beyer 300 Tygr!
Hi, thanks for your review, i have the Philips Fidelio X2 and AKG K712 Pro.. does the x3 improve the sound over x2?
I recommend watching the review, I explain it better there than I will in a comment.
@@SuperReview I don't understand english at all, if you could summarize it for me.. what's the difference in the sound? i mean is an improvement or just sounds different?
Keep the X2 if you like the base.
S1RuX They took away bass, a little flabby but nice, but added to the treble problem. In other words they failed on both ends. Seems like it’s just another Fidelio L2.
Don’t watch reviews try it out sound is subjective
I was watching this and was about not to buy the x3 but I’m soooooo happy that i bought the x3 it’s sounds much better than the good old x2
I compared the Philips X2HR against my HD 600 and the treble on the Philips felt grainy and low quality. I can't find any headphones with the HD 600 smooth, high quality treble.
IMO HD600 treble is probably the best I've heard.
23:35 He miss mentions X2s on another cans, that's it, I'm buying the X2!
Manufacturers won't want you to review their headphones man. You're honest. Manufacturers only want Z to do reviews because he's just a salesman/ full of shxt.
FWIW, I've never had a manufacturer say anything about a critical review. But sometimes they do go radio silent afterward...
The X2s look wayyyyyy better than the X3s, X2 style is legendary (except for the super high headband).
Yeah it'd be nice if X2 headband was a bit more form-fitting.
What would be the new rating for these at 150 bucks
I wouldn't buy them.
Hi Ryan, why did you never review the shp9500? That's the real masterpiece
Never had one long enough and not that interested personally TBH.
@@SuperReview ok. Congrats for your wonderful job. You're simply the best
What would you say is the difference between imaging and detail in relation to headphones?
I talk about that in the video ✌️
Hi, I am looking for a headphone that has crystal clear sound and not too bassy. what do you recommend?
Sennheiser HD 560S maybe.
Philips fidelio x3 is overpriced, x2 is better value overall.
The X2 price was a lot higher in the beginning too
@@westsenkovec yeah but I am taking about now. X2 has better bass and does not have any trable issues.
I grabbed the X3's when they hit 199 on Amazon.
@@towsifshahriarshovono x3 have better bass,x2 have more bass but lower quality bass.
Hello, which one is the more confortable with glasses please? Thanks
Not sure, I don't wear glasses. Probably depends on your glasses.
Hello, the previous X2HR were reated 5 stars and the X3 only 3 stars. Could you please tell me how would you rate the X2HR today? How H2HR compare to HD600? Thank You in advance!
With an updated review, I'd probably rate the X2s 4-stars. Still a solid headphone, especially at the prices you can find it now. Vs. HD 600, the X2's vocals are more withdrawn, bass is more present, and there's some extra treble zip. Generally I find the midrange of the HD 600 much richer, full, and detailed.
@@SuperReview thank you very much. I am thinking of buying the X2S for leastening pleasure.. and Audio Technica M40X for critical listening. What do you think of the M40X? I was much impressed by this video th-cam.com/video/sj69-mWHV3E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SonicSenseProAudio
I've only heard M40x briefly, didn't stand out to me, but it seems likely a commonly referenced set. I'm generally not a big fan of closed backs TBH.
can i plug it straight into my pc or do i need something to use it
Plug into headphone jack.
Hi! Im french and I only understand spanish.
Could you help me? For films, Hd600, sundara or Fidelio X3?
HD 600 IMO
From speculation, I think about 50% of X2/X2HR customers are buying them for FPS gaming performance, so HD600 definitely isn't comparable with that benchmark in mind. So, I would do a standalone FPS gaming comparison, and optionally a standalone music/overall comparison.
I use $30 KPH30i for gaming :P
@@SuperReview I see... Hm. You should check out Timmkoo C630 for gaming/imaging, if you haven't already.
Everyone should just buy used hd600 on eBay for$200 or less like I did 4 years ago. All my other headphones get no attention. Except my wireless earbuds dudios zeus ace. I've thought about getting the hd6xx.
Not only do the hd600 sound great, they demo all other gear the best, are comfortable, can hear around you because they're open back, best demoing headphone I know of.
That's a good price on HD600..
People hype 6xx and they are good for instrumental music and intimate voice presentation but for other stuff the soundstage is narrow and base is very sterile. 4XX works much better for me (esp after some EQ and added padding) - decently deep, wide, clear.
@@SuperReview any thoughts on the cost-cutting efforts they did on the finish with the HD600?
Something better than hd600? (For you)
Thanks
Nothing so far.
The cable is designed so that it doesn't matter which plug is connected to which socket, left and right will always be correct. One earpiece uses tip and lower sleeve and the other earpiece uses tip and upper sleeve. Monoprice M560 used the same design feature.
That's why your OTC cable is 'kinda weird'.
Innnnnnteresting. Does limit options for replacing the cable then, doesn't seem like a good tradeoff IMO. What do you think?
That not true
On the cable are L and R symbols.
When you put R cable in left cup and L cable in the right cup ur headphone doesn’t work
The original cable is realy funny
I looked for a shorter one but it’s impossible to get a y cable with 3 x 3,5mm
So I bought a 3,5mm splitter and 2 same 3,5mm cables and it’s works perfectly.
I don’t know what’s wrong with the Philips cable ,it’s makes no sense L and R symbols on a TRS cable
X3 are for 164.99 on amazon. Do you have an amp/dac recommendation for this headphones? I want to get involved on the hifi world
I am not a big DAC & amp guy, IMO just get what looks good to you and has the features / connections you need.
I use the hiby fc3 on x3 and it’s sounds so amazing ,I love the x3 in so many ways better ( for me ) than the x2hr.
They re-tuned the Sundara and rolled off the highs. I bought a pair and returned them. For all they did right I just couldn't get past the lack of treble openness.
Hm, what do you like better?
@@SuperReview th-cam.com/video/mMPGRbKHieM/w-d-xo.html
This guy charted the frequency response of the Sundara and the update. He loved the new version, I thought I would, too. No such luck.
@@SuperReview As for what I like better, well, I'm looking. I wish someone would put together a Sennheiser audition kit so I could compare 3 or 4 of their best and make my choice!
@@SuperReview I have a pair of Grado sr225e at work; given the right music they are beautiful. They don't have the richness of the Sundara's, and they fall flat if orchestral music gets too loud and complex. But choral music or classical guitar? They're wonderful. But what do I know?
Good review, I am doubting, I do not know if you have tried the shure 1840, among the shure. 1840 and the hifiman sundara which one would you choose? I'm also looking at the audeze lcd-2 classic but they go up a lot in price. Thank you.
I haven't heard the 1840. Between Sundara and LCD-2C, I prefer the tonality of the Sundara, and it's a more comfortable headphone -- the Audeze is pretty heavy. But Audeze is a bit more relaxed a listen, both have some mild treble harshness vs. something like HD600, but the 2C is definitely warmer, thicker, more laid back. Sundara is more transparent sounding.
Can I use a boompro microphone with this?
I don't think so. I haven't used one, but seems like it's made for headphones with single-sided entry, like the X2. The X3 has dual-sided cable.
I see where this is going hd600 is still King. It's a tough headphone to beat. I'm not sure they can be beat.
HD660s faster better imaging same sound profile .
X3 is better than both 😊
@@skyhero1888 I'll take your word for it. I feel no need to upgrade the Sennheiser 600. If I were going to "upgrade", I would get the hifiman xs.
it is a lot cheaper now ($200), what you say, worth paying $50 over x2?
If you want a brighter headphone, maybe. I'd personally still take Sennheiser HD 560S over X3.
So these are on sale today for 170 dollars should I buy them?
No.
@@SuperReview thank you lol
Buy them
Before I bought my x3 I was watch this video and I don’t want to buy the x3 .
But,I watch many other videos and read in the internet about the x3 and I’m sooooooooo happy to bought them.
And buy the way I was a realy big fan of the x2hr.
I fall in love with the x3.
I say buy the x3 for 170 ,if u don’t like them u can return them.
Don’t hear on TH-cam reviewers try it by ur own and do ur own opinion.
My tip if u use a usb c dac/amp with the x3 like the hiby f3 or hiby f4 u will love them more and more.
These $350 headphones lost to $30 koss ksc75? 😄
To be fair, KSC75 beats a lot :D
I love those, above many others, even the Porta Pro. I think they’re more like $15.
I have most of Koss and Senns koss 30i are amazing also. But none of them come close to HD600 650 660
Sundara NOT known for its soundstage..?! Wow.
I don't think so, no.
I found something about sound. I love my hd600 but if I follow their sounds signature in my car speakers, it doesn't sound good. Just like wearing hd600 in a running car with road noise they won't sound good.
Have you used Sonarworks?
I have not, I don't use EQ much.
Would this be a big upgrade from Bose QC 35 II
In a lot of ways, yeah. I'd take the Sennheiser HD 560S over this though.
@@SuperReview would you recommend them for 200
?? Yeah, that's what they cost.
@@SuperReview I think he means the x3 costs 200 right now
I bet that 350 bucks go to go down so quickly in next months...
You were right my friend haha they're $199 now
150€ here now
Sounds like the fidelio x3 is about on par with the status audio ob1 which cost like $60.
Nah. New Kings in town are the HD 560S
We'll see.
@51:51 what are those earbuds you're recommending? Willsound mark 2 yencrow x6? I can't understand what you say.
Willsound Mk.2 and Yincrow X6
For me the best that i have listen under 1.000 are HD660s and Sundara. And over 1.000 Focal Clear . i wish Hifiman fix there quality problems on the next Sundara.
Which issues do you have with Sundara build?
@@SuperReview My first pair after 1 -2 weeks some times the left driver was working and some others dont . I send them back waited for 1-2 months and they send me other , The second pair had the left driver volume lower i thought that was my ears many people hear them and yeah they was lower volume , Again the third pair came in and i sold them. I love headphones i am a collector and i wanted to have them for years and give them to my childs . So to my understanding and from what i have read on amazon and forums , Hifiman headphones are an amazing headphone with an expire date .
@@SuperReview Can i ask do u know if the new 2020 version from Thomman store is better quality ? I am thinking buying again i miss the sound of them but i wan to know that after the warranty i will not habe problems again.
@@Tripokaridos22
The Sundara is great. Trust me.
@@bradhuskers i know its great i have them. I like both 660s and Sundara... 660s have better imaging and are smoother and sound organic And Sundara have better seperation and sound clinical Organic. I love both of them but to me 660s are better more natural.
U should listen HD660s its like HD600 but faster bigger soundstage tight bass and most of all better imaging. Trust me i know i have all Sennheiser 5 and 6 series.
My friend loaned me a set of 660s, along with HD650s, and I spent extensive time comparing the three. We both prefer the HD600 FWIW. 660s seem somewhere between 600 and 650, but easier to drive.
@@SuperReview HD 660s are somewhere between 600 and 650 they have the midrange of HD 600 and the warm of HD 650 ... But HD 660s have way better image and seperation something like Stax or Sundaras. The soundstage its a little bit biger personally i dont like big soundstage on my music, On the other hand HD 660s also have faster and tighter sound. But i understand that some people its hard to Change the HD 600 that i also love because all these years our ears learned to love this sound. The same happened to me . So i keep all of them HD 600 , 650 and 660 they are very close but also different , i want keep them because i collect 5 and 6 series. I can understand your favorite of all of them , but fact is that technically 660s are better even if u dont like the FR .
I honestly had a hard time making out any difference in stage and imaging that wasn't better explained by the fact that they play louder at the same volume settings :P
@@SuperReview really ? Interesting...Doesnt better imaging makes u hear with closed eyes the direction of each sound ? And not only that HD650 and 600 sound like there is no air between the instruments. I would ask about your amp dacs but i will not because even with low volume and bad amps u can hear the separation. Winona Oak listen some songs from her there are a lot of instruments and the breath of her voice u can easily separete with Sundara and HD 660.
Sont get my wrong 600 and 650 are amazing and for most neutral sound everyone knows that 600 is the king. But Sundara and 660 sound more clear fast and modern. I respect your opinion but it sounds strange to me. Even with the first 10 minites i could easily hear the differences.
That is the meme, but I didn't hear it.
Good luck trying to source replacement Philips ear pads.
HD600 faux granite 😍. Princess Leia 😍.
I've seen some people harvest the mounting ring from worn out pads and stretch some Brainwavz over it.
@@SuperReview same happens with HD600 hybrid pads. And yeah HD6 series pads are hybrid outside is velur and inside the ring are synthetic leather they also.use gray fast bound foam higly air penetrated. So i 3d print the inside plastic ring of the original HD6 pads and ...Let.me tell.u that a lot.of pads fit...around the ring and click positive on Sennheiser HD6 series. I have Tested. Shure 440 840 1440 1540 1840 that fit . also M50X terrible pads fit. Bose q35 also fit and many others. Shure 1540 was the best for HD600 they give some warmth and soundstage but they need more power.because they are far from the driver.
...on sound X2's strong point was big stage with big base, everything else being kinda crap....and now they've taken out half the good stuff and doubled the price. :facepalm:
The saying less is more gets a new meaning less bass more money
Sundara have metal voice signature,new 2022-2023 HE400SE is much better than Sundara,
Just watched your review of the x2 from 2018, would you like them as much now if you redid the Review?
I'd give them 4/5 today, midrange tuning is not to my preference but they're still a lot of fun.
@@SuperReview thanks that's still a good score from yourself, I'm very tempted, I'm just concerned that on my journey I to higher quality music I may not quite be ready for the 600 or 560s level of neutrality yet although my hunger for bass does see to be decreasing month on month and after getting the Audeze Mobius it now takes a while before I can enjoy listening to my XM4's as they just sound so grainy and muddled at first.
If you have Mobius, why interested in the X2s?
@@SuperReview I have never heard an open back headphone in my life, I am trying to decide which one to get as my first pair and the x2, 560s or 400i 2020 although I have to say the Mobius seems to let in so much ambient noise I'm not sure it's really a closed back sometimes. That's not a critisn of them I find with the 100mm drivers even low vol music and everything just disappears unless it's quite loud.
For the money, nothing beats the x2hr.
Nothing
Super disappointed considering the looong wait.
You were very kind in this review I think.
There are also other headphones at this price range that seem to be better sounding than these.
Philips should have taken profit from the long period to really think the technalities...
Have you tried 'em?
@@SuperReview nope but I know the Sundara and HD600, your review made understand the kind of FR of the X3. And the problem is that I do not find the Sundara and HD600 that good either.
Oh RIP
Sorry I'm not English, what is RIP ?
@@SuperReview I found on the urban dictionnary. Yes, rip.
X3 seems to be quite overpriced. At 350 it needed some kind of wow factor, which it lacks.
Have you tried Philips shp9500 ?
I have not.
cool
Sundaras win
Hard for me to choose between Sundaras and HD600s, Sundara on definition and bass quality, Sennheiser on midrange and treble quality. Sennheiser easier to recommend without some of the build concerns I have with Sundara.
The HD 660s for me without listened them could be the best, I am owner of Phillips shp 9500 and Sony MDR 1am2 but 1am2 is miracle.
Compare it to the king of headphones 1000XM4 then we can talk.
Hate to break it to you...
Lol 1000 xm4 the king of headphones.
U can’t compare openback headphones with closedback and by the way xm4 is Bluetooth lol
I have the xm4 too,the Fidelio x3 sounds so much better than xm4 ,the x2hr sounds so much better than the xm4 too.
Xm4/5 are overpriced plastic cans.
Comfort problems matter a lot