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- Short documentary film about the current use of ECT in Psychiatry.
Features real healthcare staff and a simulated patient (actor).
Made with the support of St George's, University of London & South West London & St George's Mental Health NHS Trust.
Wed, Oct 12, 2011
My favourite part about this is the button that gives the shock says"treat"
Any last words? ... Let's start the execution!!! (Electric chair death penalty)
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I swear to God that I had depression for like 5 years man and my mom has pulled me through these tough times. She also does not want me going through this ECT because my aunt had the therapy and it fucked her up instead of helping her. By the way I haven't taken not a single antidepressant or anything and I'm still here and that's why thanks mom for supporting me
If patients are cured saftly ,its the noblest service in the world.My two sons aged 26 ,no cure for severe ocd n depression.
try TMS or ketamine treatment first
That’s nice that you can say this about your mom, she sounds like a great person
I have ECT therapy for major depressing disorder and been doing it for 2yrs and I've noticed a big difference in myself, and I would so recommend it to anyone who's tried a lot of other therapy without the results they are looking for. Just remember this, you are the one who's tried different things not your friends or family they shouldn't be the ones to make such a big decision like this for you, you do because it's a commitment. Like I said it's helped me out tremendously many people notice the difference in me since I've been going to treatment.
Hi, I live in Spain, and have been suffering depression with severe anxiety for a long time. Now I am 52 years old, and the meds are not helping anymore. I tried Ketamine infusions with good results for only 2 weeks, and tms that didn't work. My last bullet would be ect, but my psychiatrist only change meds that are not working anymore. I am considering suicide, but have not energy to do it.
Getting my first ect next week and can't wait. The last 5 years have been hell for me but this procedure gives me hope.
I hope you're doing well now.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects..please let me know know..my doctor has also prescribed it for me
@@ozgesolmaz752 Özge merhaba sen de düşünüyor musun ectyi
@@kadiraltay1244 Özge ECT alırken ölmüş cevap verebilecek durumda değil😅
It has definitely helped my wife. Huge, huge difference. Her eyes went from looking dark and distant to being sparkly and her finding interest in all kinds of things in life again. She has experience the memory losses, which they say does come back. But her attitude is very improved and the staff at the hospital, they are all so wonderful, proficient, prompt, kind and supportive.
What was the problem with your wife??
@@aaymathebest4705 Severe medicine resistant depression at the start of treatment, I believe it was triggered by deaths in the family, family issues, 3 surgeries, and the chemical and hormonal issues of extreme weight loss- losing 95 pounds in one year. Sadly, she's had off and on depression since she was a teen, perhaps due to trauma she underwent then. But never was as bad until she was offered ECT treatments
@@DaltonCTeczon thanks for replying...first I thought she has SCHZOPHERNIA
@@aaymathebest4705 your welcome.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects..please let me know know..my doctor has also prescribed it for me
My gf who's manic bipolar told me she had to through this when she smoked too much weed one day. Her meds didn't work to bring her back to her normal state. She's fine now, but because of this her memory is not as good as it was before...breaks my heart to see this...
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Man weed
Legalization of the weed is smart right!?
Head Places it was most likely laced
That must have been hard for her, i hope she's okay now. You shouldnt just smoke weed when you know youre bipolar; different strains can work either positively or very negatively for a person with this condition. I've read that the University of Oslo in 2010 researched and stated there actually IS evidence of particular types of cannabis being an improvement for bipolar disorder. Worth looking up when suffering from this, i'd say.
ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING!
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Haha puns
I would much rather be executed by the electric chair than fuck up my brain permanently!
watt the hell nice one 😭
Yo, those who are being the most critical of ECT are the ones who haven't had it. I had it. And before I did, I did extensive research on it. It works differently for each person, but I guess I saw my own symptoms improve. You cannot judge until you go through it or know the stories behind the people who have had it. I mean, you really have to be at a corner to be referred to have ECT, so please. Talk to someone who has, and I repeat, had it before you call it inhumane or radical.
This was NOT my experience. I was conserved for severe sucidality. I had 20 ECT treatments ALL AGAINST MY WILL. I finally was sent to a half way house because insurance problems. I was able to get married, my husband was my conservator; then I was free. The ECT's did not help me plus I had a terrible injury to my right leg that has left me now to using a walker. To other people, please look at all the videos and read up on the truth first!
The truth is that there are low risk of complications, a one in 50,000 percent of death and many’s people depression and anxiety are cured or minimized. This treatment helps a lot of people. If you would have let them help you willingly without fighting it may have been more beneficial. But where I live it’s not allowed to be used against your will. You have to consent. No one not even a judge can order you to undergo it. The process is simple. They put a needle in your hand, place monitoring stickers, they give you propofol which causes anesthesia in less than 30 seconds, you feel no pain during the ect they give a muscle relaxant. Then before you awake they give you zofran and toradol for nausea and muscle soreness respectively and within a hour you go home or back to the ward. You receive 12 sessions and for some like me you can receive maintenance sessions once a month to keep the depression and anxiety at bay.
Even though this is more humane than how it used to be before, I'm still feeling sick after watching this.
Then you're not sick enough to HAVE to walk through it or you'll take your own life.
I'm not sure it really changes anything except maybe destroying destructive repeating thought patterns. Ultimately I got better but it was a tough slog. Perhaps the ECT bought me some time to do that and freed me from some very circular destructive thoughts. I'm undecided about it as a therapy. On the face of it it brought me back from the brink. Twelve years down the line I have a great partner, family and career so I guess it did it's work but am I the same person went for treatment?
I work in ect dept and I never seen any patient shake like that
crazypainter72 I don't think they do it like that in the US. When I have mine they put a tourniquet above my ankle so only my foot moves when I have the seizure.
Because this was staged. They were actors. They overdid it with the seizure. In reality a bp cuff would have been placed on his ankle and tightened to prevent the paralytic from getting into his foot. The seizure would only be visible in the foot. It's part of how the doctors know they've successfully induced a seizure.
The Cardboard Within It was on my left upper arm for me.
They were acting....the guy who played a patient is doctor it's in the end credits yet some people are saying '''look how bad this is for the brain, how bad he is shaking'''....shitheads would believe pigs fly if they see in on the screen
Hi sir I'm suffering from sleeping problem before 15days ,before 15days i have chest pain and my ecg118bpm so govt doctor suggested no( heart decise say to doctor but )he is stress cause and 4day s use amitriptyline tablet 10 mg.....I used first day 1tab I'm so happy sleep next day I don't useful to sleep so ...plz suggestion sir
wtf am i doing in here
Bro same
Aseel Siyam lol 😂
Blurry Face that's what I'm asking myself, but only because I came from a video of old fire alarm systems from the 50s. One such video is linked in this comment: th-cam.com/video/b-L2U_tYRH8/w-d-xo.html
I was listening to a ted talk involving a electrical engineer who worked at a physch ward..
I dunno either, wow man.
I kinda wonder if he actually received ECT because that acting was on point
Nope.... see my comment above.
He is a doctor acting the part of a patient. The aim of the video is to show what happens during ECT.
this treatment work wonders on my wife, with ECT she is almost her own self, without it she is another person on her way to lala land. The electricity used is the same as in a flashlight, and apart from at little headache there are no side effects
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We need the government to give everyone ECT. It will help us.
Perhaps ECT could be used yo help recover from rape. The treatment could be given after the rape to make the victim forget.
ECT saved my life. Had about 26 sessions.
Frederick Burger after how many sessions u started to feel improvement...am on my third
Argham Osman For me it started working very quickly. I would say after the fifth session. Please take into account that your mood might be better but you most likely won't experience it yet because of the side effects of the ECT.
A couple of days after my 9th treatment
If there's anyone here who has not had a lot of success with meds and has moderate to severe depression, TMS therapy is a safer option!
What is it?
@Hayley Baker you are right neurostar tms is bullshit very superficial stimulation i think deep tms h7 which reach deep brain structure like cingulate cortex would be far effective but until now under clinical trials
rather loss of memory and glad than remember everything and be depressed for the rest of thier lives. i'd easily take the risk if i was suicidal
wow it does not look as bad as i thought, i for one would like a series of these for my depression & anxiety if it can help.
Thank you for sharing this video. I'm getting this done soon and I'm very nervous. However this video helped me calm down. I'm hoping it works for me. It's my last hope.
Don't do it, you will get brain damage, and probably have seizures for the rest of your life, like my cousin did.
@@R1ptide_Drag0n Thank you for your message, I appreciate it! After doing research it seems to be either that it makes your life a lot better, or it messes you up even worse.. It's a difficult decision to make
@@Thexprettyxdisasterx I wouldn't get it done, try to find another way, this method is ancient, and hasn't changed very much.
I'm really happy they don't do this for schizophrenia anymore
Am schizophrenic
When I was younger I used to get into a bunch of trouble and anyway I was admitted to a kind of psychiatric unit for kids under 17 anyways I temporarily had to go to the adult unit until a bed was open. My very first day there there was a lady going out on a stretcher screaming and yelling and scared to deathI remember her coming back into the room hours later completely knocked out. the very next day she was talking about how she had to undergo electroshock therapy it really scared me and I was scared they might try to do something like that with me.
Ekttedavisi sonrasında herşeyi unutuyorsunuz bu çok güzel birşey
Bende olmak istiyorum
@@Parakazanmakonulari
Ekt tedavisi uygulananlarla konuştum hepsi bana ekt sonrası çoğu şeyi unuttum dediler insaallah ekt beyindeki herşeyi iyi ve kötü hepsini kalıcı bir sekilde unutturuyordur
Insaaallah
Bende bu tedaviyi olmak istiyorum
Ama bana bir türlü yapmıyorlar
Nedense bilinmez
@@oguzalpilhantv5993 Sen bu tedaviyi aldın mı?
@@Parakazanmakonulari Size de uyguladılar mı?
@@KursatYegrim EKT kötü anı silme tekniği değildir, bazı kötü anılar yan etki olarak silinebilir ama garantisi yok. Kötü anılar esas olarak EMDR ile silinir, EKT ile değil. O da şöyle silinir, olay yerinde duracak, ama onun senin üzerindeki kötü etkisi sıfırlanacak. Gülüp geçeceksin, sadece 1-2 seans hatta. Ama bu etkinin olabilmesi için bir travma özelliği taşıyor olması lazım. Yani uzun bir zaman geçmesine rağmen, hala düşündüğünde yine sende kötü duygular oluşuyorsa, zamana karşı bu acı azalmıyorsa bu travmadır.
why you don't remove patent watch
Did you had any side effect other than that?Were you able to recognize your parents?
I'm thinking about trying to get this treatment for myself. I'm trying to learn more about it.
Check out this TED talk: th-cam.com/video/oEZrAGdZ1i8/w-d-xo.html
Try Talking tom apk 😅
Im undergoing this twice a week. without consent under the mental health act. it leaves you out of it for 36 hr s. your memory goes a bit. Its not as bad as it looks you don't remember a thing about it. Just being so sleepy and out of it for over a day which is OK.
this is aa crime against humanityy
IT'S TOO CREEPY AND TO THINK THAT MY FRIEND WILL GO THROUGH THAT IS CREEPIER Q-Q
*****, I don't know if it's life saver for depressed people or not. But it turns the lives of people who have to live together with them into a hell. Those people suffer from electrically induced brain injury and they become a real nuissance for the people who have to live together with them. Euphoria which is one of the syptoms of brain injury lasts only for 4 weeks. The memory problems associated with this so-called safe procedure remains permanently with them.
*****, Here's the link about the symptoms of mild brain injury. www.slatervecchio.com/articles/cases/mild-traumatic-brain-injury-an-introduction.htm
All the beneficial and side effects mentioned for ECT just fit those symptoms that include euphoria mentioned in mild brain injury. Mild brain injury often happens in closed head injuries and it can be diagnosed only according to the symptoms mentioned above as there is no objective test that can be used to diagnose it. Therefore the claim that ECT doesn't cause brain injury has no scientific base whatsoever. There are symptoms of brain injury and those symptoms exist in people received ECT. Therefore they suffer from brain injury. Period.
BTW, memory loss is not a small price to pay. As a matter of fact famous novelist Ernest Hemingway commited suicide due to the memory loss caused by ECT. He said because of the memory loss caused by ECT life has lost all of its meaning for him in the suicide note he left.
In scientific literature there is the story of a piano teacher who temporarily recovered from depression (meaning that experienced euphoria which is one of the symptoms of mild brain injury) but forgot to play piano which was her main source of income
Looks scary...I guess this is only more of managing moods? What about the biological effects of hormonal imbalance?
ECT is a great way to avoid confronting and dealing with your life's problems. It is a great cover up of the person's problem(s). The problems haven't gone away. Just awareness of them. How does that affect a person's live? Has anyone done before and after tests such as personality or IQ tests? Is the person more responsible for his/her live afterwards? Where are the tests? Or are these people just zombied?
This is insane!
It's awful 🤮
@@rw8893no it’s not. It really helps people who have few options left. Your under anesthesia and feel no pain, afterwards now a days at least where I’m located they give you zofran for nausea and toradol for the minor muscle soreness and minor headaches that you experience in the few hours after treatment but you have no recollection of it and it often cures resistant depression. I undergo it once a month to maintain benefits. So please refrain from saying something like that unless you know what you’re talking about. ECT has helped hundreds of millions of people and is quite safe and human far from what it was when it first came to use in the 50s
Most experience permanent cognitive impairment, and many are left with permanent brain damage. This can be total and unrecoverable memory loss for an indefinite amount of time prior to ECT as well as permanent loss of short term memory. People exposed to ECT also often report loss of skills, ability to read/write and function in normal society. This is a barbaric treatment that hasn't progressed in the last 60 years, except for being easier on the eye for those watching.
not fully understod. it is believed that there's a cellular response to the "insult" and some synaptic remodelling.
If the patient is willing than yes if he is not it can ruin patients life!!!
this is so fucked up and must end. i got ECT when i was SIXTEEN and i lost about 4 months of my memory forever. don't remember that christmas, thanksgiving, or even my 17th birthday. yeah seizures will totally cure depression
??? i received it myself. those things are true
THE VOID oh no yeah im being sarcastic about the last sentence.
seizures will not cure depression lol
THE VOID i dont know it didnt really help me but i guess it can help some people
Carly Bell Im sorry for you, but it has saved a lot of people. I have depression in the family, and it helped several people. Luckily you don't have to do it if you don't want to.
It didn't look very bad seeing it on the outside which to me is good!
Why would the patient throw a complete seizure even after Succinyl Choline was given?
What's the name of the second injection (muscle relaxant)? I'm doing a presentation on ECT for my bio lab class and couldn't hear the name of the second drug.
Laura Eager suxamethonium There are more than just this one, however.
Thank you!
+Laura Eager How did the presentation go?
E. E. Russell it went well! Sorry for the late response
الحمد لله الذي عافانا مما ابتلى به غيرنا من غير حول منا ولا قوة
Quackery at its finest. I suffer from severe clinical depression, and considered "treatment resistant"....Does that I mean I'm going to subject myself to a 50,000 volt hit, hoping it re scrambles or resets my mind? I never hear about the success of this treatment, and the numbers or percentages. Fucking Medieval.
What the hell for
What are your credentials to be making such claims? You must be experienced in the medical field with years of research of your own that is credible enough for people to believe you. I would love to see said research, and maybe I can take you seriously.
LOL an electronic reboot can make a human go from suicidal to happy. if this is true we are just like robots
We are biological ''robots'' in a sense
The 'patient' in this video is a doctor demonstrating the ECT procedure.
Poor guy! He would forget how to do admission paperwork after this. LOL
This seems inhumane
My mother is 55 and has been going in for ECT treatments for the last 12 years. I warned her about this shit... There is no history of alzheimer's in our family... She began having memory issues from the beginning. Today she called to tell me that she has the early progressive onset of alzheimer's. 8 years ago she went to a biker bar (out of character for an avid christian women) then 6 months later when I suggested going back, she insisted she had never been there nor would she ever go... in spite of being on a 1st name basis with the bartender. I told her then to stop going. This has been proven to cause long term memory issues.
my nuerologist wants to give me a deep brain stimulator for my severe OCD... I think NO! it's no better then THIS shit.
yeah I have done so much research and everyone says it might hae helped them but memory loss is a big issue in ECT
+Jenny Kaaasinen
+Jenny Kaaasinen
Fortunately, it's usually only short-term memory loss that goes away about a month post-treatment. OP's mother's ECT therapy was probably a lot different than the ECT therapies of today. 12 years is a long time.
Domina Morgan This treatment only gives you short term memory loss. It’s sad that you so despretly clame that there is no Alzheimers in your family, the fact that there may not be any Alzheimers as you know dosent eliminate the chances of it. If you have any actual proof from a university or hospital, then Get back to me.
But no disrespect to your mother, Alzheimers is a really horrible thing. I just dont think it’s fair to blame everything else than your family liniage❤️
Poor guy...
You cant feel it. Youre sedated.
I was thinking about getting this shock treatment
ect is cruel. it should have gone with the old asylums.
you are so right. It is cruel. of course people are going to claim," it's safe, you're ascleep" I don't care. it is still damaging to the brain. People who defend this kind of treatment are some of the most insensitive people around.
Micah Grauel may i ask how i could be seen as insensitive for defending this treatment? i have seen this treatment performed and i have seen the effects its had. It has saved people from suicide or dying from self neglect and not eating and drinking..
yaycamel95 it causes brain damage. I don't care how much anyone says it helps, it causes seizures which are bad for your brain.
Micah Grauel Wheres your proof? the evidence proves its saves lives. my mother has had this treatment on many occasions in her life when she has been extremely depressed and suicidal. it is not a long term solution but it helps with the patients mood in the short term whilst medications are being adjusted to the right levels etc. i have never seen any patient suffer brain damage from this treatment, however i have seen patients that would be dead if they were not given this treatment
it does not cause brain damage. the side effect that could be noticed is temporary memory loss. it is extremely useful in treating severe depression cases.
This is a crime if you ask me..
Well I will ask you, why is it a crime?
Only if you don't agree to participate.
But they are not killing anyone. Pulling someone's teeth out is a crime if it is performed to inflict pain on the person, but if he/she agrees and the tooth is pulled because it is diseased, then clearly it is not a crime.
The difference is the voltage of course. It used to be much higher, but isn't anymore.
Well the stimulus dose has changed over the decades but so have most other medical/surgical interventions. If you want to read more see here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933093/
before undergoing such a procedure - I would ask the psychiatrist to first experience it for herself, and if everything goes well - I will give consent to such invasive treatment that is barbaric and unacceptable in the 21st century
😂😂😂
Because for some people, it is the only treatment that works. It saved my life.
Hi Michal, the reason my doctors recommended ECT was that after 20 years of psychotherapy and trying different medications (almost all of which were ineffective or the side effects outweighed the benefit) I felt I had exhausted all my options.
Karen Milton Me alegra mucho saber esto.
Le deseo lo mejor.
Thanks Karen.
I saw the video and the only thing that i have to say is..Congratulations. Excellent video.
I want to have this done.
My mothers friend had this treatment many years ago when she found her mother hanging in the living room, she just couldn't get over it, whatever it takes to get better i guess.
Nobody is going to get over that experience.
It's not normal if you do.
To anyone scrolling through the comments (just as I did) reading all the comments about how crazy it looks and worrying (just as I worried) about if its worth pursuing, just know this: The the majority of people commenting are doing so from the outside looking in. They have no knowledge of what it feels like to dread every second of every day. They have no knowledge of the hopelessness you feel after trying medication after medication, to no effect. They have no knowledge of what if feels like to have all those years of sadness and pain, gently erased within 3 short weeks. ECT isn't for everybody, and certainly does not work for everybody. It worked for me.
We know, and also know that herbs are very effective and much safer choice than wrecking your brain. I couldn't shower or sit in the tub because of the constant panic attacks. The right herbs can cure any mental illness + supplements. It is sad that none of the drs bother figure out what causes mental illness and they make patients believe that they have no choice but pills and aggressive treatments.
totally agree, i had it and it was life changing without i wouldnt be here today .
@Wrestling Science thank you so much for that
It can be helpful but not when people use it to try and “cure” autism
Unfortunately, a lot of opinionated people who are neither medical professionals nor sufferers of severe depression seem to be spreading misinformation here. I’m glad you are better now.
I just finished a course of 12 ect treatment and it has changed my life, nothing else worked until I tried this treatment. Definitely not for everyone but for me, it truly worked and I’m so thankful for being able to receive this treatment
Currently doing ECT treatments for chronic severe depression. I would not go so far as to say I'm cured, but it probably has been far better than any medication I've taken. My thoughts of self harm while not entirely gone, they are a sliver of their former self. I am actually about to go into my next session (10-15 is the norm, so I'm in the middle of that) and I've felt no long term ill effects. I even volunteered for a few hours later the same day after a treatment and no one noticed anything out of the ordinary. Worse effect was a mild headache like listening to someone explain climate change is not real or being LGBT is a choice or somehow wrong (not LGBT myself, but argued more than once with people about all the same).
Thank you of this video. I am writing my memoir and your details were so helpful.
I am 61. I would be dead if I had not had ECT after postpartum depression when I was 23 about two years after Jack Nicolson in "One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." ECT got an unfair bad rap after that scary movie. I have two daughters in their 40's as well as an adopted daughter from China who is 15. I am thrilled with my life, completing degrees and operating successful businesses.
The bigger risk for your life is not really thriving but staying in a depressive fog, which can kill you as well. For years I was ashamed I had ECT. Now I am grateful to the doctors who dared to first try this. Sometimes, we just get sick and we need help. Love & kindness.
+Lynda Chambers did ECT cured your depression?
Thanks for your comment... my father had to do this procedure, made me misarable to see him going through that... hope he gets better.
Thank you for this comment.
My dad is going to have this treatment in 4 days, at his current state he barely speaks, always is super nervous, sleeps very bad, very strange to explain, doctors say its depression. Hes been like this for 2 years now and i really hope he gets better after the treatment. Thanks for sharing your story bro , i really wish my dads gonna recover
I have had PostPartum Depression, post partum anxiety too. Neither one of those conditions warrant ECT AT ALL. Now that I suffer from Severe and Chronic PTSD, I would rather vape cannabis on a daily basis than to go under this barbaric treatment. This is very inhumane and anyone who agrees with doing this to another human being or living thing period needs to be killed.
This treatment saved my life .... My anxiety disorder and depression has went from 95% to 10% . Though I did suffer some mild memory loss it was not a concern to me. I would highly recommend this treatment to those who have exhausted all avenues with antidepressants. I am 55 years old and now I can finally think straight and enjoy life , something I haven't been able to do in over 35 years.
Can yakma yüzdesi nasıl?
It cure you permanently?
I’m waiting for my psychiatrist to refer me to a doctor who does this if my insurance will cover it. I stopped driving a few months ago because of fear and not being able to speak because of head injuries. I’m hoping this will fix me.
@@yarmouk334how’s your treatment ??
Thank you for explaining this so well and helping me understand about ECT. My Mum had 12 rounds of ECT for severe psychotic depression. Sadly it did not cure her illness. I always wondered what she went through and only now, over 2 years after she’s passed away, have I decided to watch this.
Im sorry about your mothers loss may i ask did your mother have acid reflux?
Am so sorry to hear that 😔
im so sorry to hear. you are incredibly strong to even brave this video. i hope you are doing well susanne!
Thank you.
I hope you all will be cured soon. :(
My mom had 42 of the ECT treatments during the 1960s she was never the same. She lost so many memories that never came back She was never cured and was on tranquilizers, antidepressants and anti- psychotics until the day she died. I am glad she is gone now and no longer has to suffer. I witnessed how sick she was from the time I was 8 years old. Until the day she died she never forgave my father signing the papers to have this “ treatment” forced on her by the doctors and him.
sorry that happened forcefully without consent
Очень жаль вашу маму
I had ECT in 2001. I had a bad depression from coercive abuse from my now ex wife. I didn’t know it was coercive abuse at the time. ECT did nothing for me. I had 6 sessions in the May and 12 more in the September. My memory was affected for 18 months and I lost a lot of memories. I don’t think my memory has been the same ever since.
Yes it transforms people but not everyone. I think this video is very good but it is also biased as ECT does not help everyone. ECT made my depression worse. Something I was not warned about. It has taken me 21 years to watch something like this.
I’m better in myself these days but have been diagnosed with CPTSD because of the abuse and NOT the ECT. I plod on. It comes in waves. 😢
As far as I know it's now a human rights violation if it's without the informed consent of the patient. I hope it goes the way of witch burning. It's wrong.
@@c.brownell8618When someone is in a psychotic episode they can not make any type of informed decision that is a no brainer so a competent adult must step in to take over in the mean time. Remember this also happened over 63 years ago times were much different then today. My father had the legal right to make medical decisions for my mother. Just as I have a medical directive in case something happens to my husband if he should become incapacitated as he does with me. Just because you have a right does not necessarily mean you have the wisdom or mental clarity to make a decision. Children have rights but they do not have the same rights as adults because as we all know children would get into all kinds of trouble if they had the same rights as adults do.
well folks lets put it this way - I've tried every other treatment for bipolar disorder, none of which worked and only served to allow my condition to worsen while we waited in vain. Over the last 6 or so years I've had some 80+ ECT treatments with great success and zero side effects, and and seen I don't know how many of my fellow patients have similar results. So, for the squeamish amongst you, carry on knocking it - until you might need it of course!
Does it hurt_
@@patriciarivera723 NO, it does not as the patient is sedated, just as they would be for a surgery. So, not only does it not hurt, the patient remembers nothing about the shock either. The patient does NOT thrash around as the ACTOR did in this simulated ECT video. The muscle relaxant is given so the patient can experience a therapeutic grand mall seizure with often the wiggling of toes being the only visual indicator that it is underway.
ECT is NOT for everyone, but IS for many, including patients who are suicidal. Both ECT and Suicide have side effects.... I would accept the side effects of ECT over the side effects of Suicide any day!
To Aaliah:
I hope you’re doing okay. We may be of different faiths but you will always be my little sister. We both loved stationery but you had recently lost all your favourite pens. You weren’t too bothered because of the word in Arabic you taught me ‘Hijma ‘ which loosely translates to charity. You told me that as long as a really good person remembered your name in the afterlife you could be granted forgiveness in your religion. Well I don’t believe in the afterlife but if I do make it to that place which you told me about I will reserve you a seat. I will make sure you get all the pencils you want.
I'm having etc treatment now,I've had 12 so far and now having another 3,tried all sorts of pills but nothing works,have a little memory loss but so far so good,first time I've actually watched it happen and quite shocked,1 more to go and hoping for a result,
Hi Alan
Well I hope you're fine after 2 years, but I would like to know it from you.
Appreciate it.
you got this! Hope it works my friend
Hes and actor
Looks terrifying and thought that both medicines a muscle relexant and sleeping stops just precise that what you saw. In another video during the "treatment" only your foot and toes will shake a little but it looked like he was in full pain and litterly an extreme amount of electricity trough your brain what's causing that seizure and looks like a beginning 19th century treatment.
And I say this because doctor's still don't know how doing this a lot of times is the last way to treat a depression or similar disorders. It's like trying everything what you can think in sanatorium's in the 19th century to try a hundreds of things and some things will give an unexplained effect also like lobotomy what's terrible mortality was high including heavy braindamage but in some cases it helpen but can you call that then a treatment?
I will not compare those 2 as rhe same but compare it in the way of just do something and look if it gives a good effect.
A lot of you who are commenting on this video don't understand A) what severe manic depression is, sometimes this is only the last option they have because they're on the verge of suicide, and B) this is voluntary. No-can force you to have this done. If it was forced up, then yes I'd agree that it's barbaric. The patient can opt out at anytime!
Naj K Here in Sweden you can have ECT against your will.
Naj K I have only seen people get worse. I had a friend who was very depressed and they persuaded her to do it, even though she didn't want to. She performed the "treatment" and only got worse. She lost her memory and became a total mess. When I saw her she was pale, she didn't take care of her health and she had lost weight. They performed more and more treatments to her and she got more and more devastated. She forgot my name and didn't even recognize me anymore. I do not have contact with her anymore, but I hope she is alive. This is happening in Sweden and I have talked to more people with severe depression who have just getting worse by this "treatment" which are more or less forced on the patients.
Cerise884 Then yes, that's reprehensible. It was consensual with me, though.
Naj K This can also be forced on you in the UK.
+Naj K I thought "A" was called bi-polar disorder these days.
if you don't understand this treatment, then don't comment with negative and uneducated remarks. instead, do some research to learn why these methods are used and how it can actually help people. of course there are benefits and consequences to ANY treatment, but just saying its "stupid", "barbaric", or "bullshit" is ignorant.
thank you. where's the outrage when a defibrillator is used to send a shock to the heart.
Tim Tom I completely agree. That is a great point!!
Tim Tom oh you mean to SAVE a life?!!! LMAO wow what a terrible argument
where are your supposed facts? id like to see the actual "research" you claim youve done.
Sarah Jane I'm sure there were ignorant ass people like you making the same ignorant ass comments when the defibrillator was first introduced as a medical treatment. Running off at the mouth with no kind of tangible knowledge to the treatment whatsoever smh.
Much respect to the whole cast - especially the patient who is a doctor.
Brilliant actors! Wow! I watched the video before I realized it was a re-enactment and the entire procedure was so "real" and nearly identical to the actual procedure. Thanks for posting this!
I was wondering why this dude was wearing a suit for a procedure and wasn’t required to remove anything. I thought the hospital just had no clue what they were doing 🤷🏻♂️
Even though it has a bad reputation due to movies, etc., ECT really can help. My dad has suffered from debilitating depression his whole life and after several years of medications causing terrible side effects and doing very little, ECT was the only thing that made him happy and be himself again. Although it shouldn't be something to take lightly, it can really help people with severe depression.
possibly... but it shouldn't be used as a long term treatment either.
I do not believe in ECT.. my sister had it and it has destroyed her life. Now she also has some strange neuromusacular desease they are still trying to figure out. Man they will shock ANYTHING wont they? makes me wonder about my implanted devices.. how safe are they REALLY?
That's because he's being shocked into someone he is not. Electricity is not going to make somebody happy. Big life-changes and a combination of CUSTOM drugs after a proper advanced brain scan will help. Who the fuck are you without memory? Yeah you may kill some depressing chemicals of the brain but with it a million healthy chemicals die, the cons out-way the pro's by a huge margin. Not to mention they put him to-sleep and make sure he hasn't eaten so it won't look as bad. It is just as worse as those horror TV SHOWS/MOVIES of actors acting out ECT. It is worse IRL because it's actually REAL, if he wasn't asleep he'd be shitting/pissing himself, crying and screaming in pain. Pain exists for a reason. It's how we know something is wrong.
Please stop spreading misinformation reagarding a topic of which you know nothing
brabomclaren
well they say muscle stimulators are not safe either but I use one daily to rehab my non useable right arm. seems to be working.
I had 36 in 14 month time span and have retrograde amnesia that not only involves my childhood memories but the birth of 2 of my children. I also have balance issues, tinnitus, hearing loss. Cognitive deficits, and seizures. It sucks looking at pictures and not remember the events. I have a hard time reading a book or watching a movie or quilting which I was great at. I'm constantly having to make lists and if I dont do things in order I forget. I have hard time finding my car and on several occasions I have attempted to get in another car or not recognize my own. I'm 51 years old. What sucks is that the dr will tell you it's the illness and not ect while they will say theres a very slight risk. By the way I have bipolar 1 rapid cycling. My lability actually got worse as did my binge drinking that almost killed me. Proceed with caution.
two times a week? That's a LOT of anestheswia!! You're talking about a medication such as Propofol being administered twice a week!!! Either Propofol, or another medication possibly Etomidate, or Midazolam!
i had ect and for a long time i regretted it,it felt like learning things from scratch but today i am glad that i did-my languages caused a problem but eventually it became better,there are many ect's done some correct some not.its a journey that gradually lifts and my whole mindset came back to me. who i am and how i see and experience things.the perfect balance in life
I agree with this treatment...it worked for me, it also saved my life...nothing else was working and the doctor's tried all sorts of medications.
What are you have and how you feel yet? Are you healthy yet?
I don't care if this helps or not. Inducing a seizure on somebody is stupid. As for shocking your heart during a heart attack that's actually saving your life getting your heart to beat again. What they are doing in this video clearly isn't a matter of life or death or anything near a heart attack. So don't be comparing it to a defibrillator.
Well, you might not be aware but a severe depression with suicidal thoughts is a life or death situation. ECT is only used when medication and other forms of therapy have failed and yes, it can be very effective. My dad used to be terribly depressed, he took up to 20 different anti depression pills. All those did were making him even number as he already had been. After the first ECT he saw something like hope and it got better with every session. Now he is completely healthy and back to be working a fulltime job and being a loving father.
I had some indeterminate amount of sessions of ECT after a second bout of Psychotic depression about 12 years ago.
It worked in the sense that it cured my depression. I did go from making suicide attempts to re-starting university in about 5 weeks however there was a price to pay. My memory was totally totally shot. It took me about 3 years to get back the 3 months preceeding the ECT therapy. In some ways that was a good thing. This therapy is basically a Brain reboot.
Been in hospitals with people who received ECT's.They come out like zombies.
This is a demonstration, no actual shock was administered. The patient is an actor.. it even says it in the description. But other than that, you can clearly see the IV catheter is not actually in his hand, it's just taped on. Also, he swallows after the mouth guard is removed (you don't have voluntary movement of swallowing under anesthesia.
Pffew... I really was shocked when I saw the footage from 3:23.
He is a very good actor lol i definitely bought it
It shows in the credits that the 'actor ' Matthew was a doctor. They would have to get permission from a patient to show their treatment, so the doctor is acting just to show how it works.
I have had about ten treatments of ect for schizophrenia but it has not got rid of my voices I think it works better for depression than schizophrenia
ECT is not used for schizophrenia, it is not effective. It is a very effective treatment for drug resistant depressive illness.
@@stevetaylor8698 i have schizophrenia and wanna try ect
@matt McKay.. do you know the names of the voices or not...I am in similar situation and want to try ect and I know the name of the voices
I suffered postpartum depression after my son was born last year, and I went through ECT for help with it. The treatment did help, but I just want to mention the side effects it can have.
You will experience memory loss, but only of events that are weeks prior to the treatments. You won’t forget childhood memories or anything like that. Part of the memory loss are some misfires when you mean to say something but you say something else. for example, I would mean to say something like “Door” but I would misfire and say “radio” not being able to remember the word door. It was embarrassing to say the least. But the memory loss passed after a couple of months. Everyone will react differently to ECT. In spite of memory loss, the treatment helped me and I am so grateful for it.
I pray 🙏🤲 to Allah He Will help me..
just think, carrie fisher has been doing this 6 times a week for a long time to cope with her disorders (if you want to call them that)
+motorcity Mayhem Exactly the reason I came to this video, is to see what Carrie Fisher went through. Crazy to think how some people can let go of their health so easily.
+GuruR97 its unfortunate that she went down the path of alcohal and cocaine. Carrie fisher was very attractive in her younger yrs. i didnt even know that during all of empire strikes back she was going through a serious cocaine addiction.
I'm bipolar and I am 72 and I have never had ECT since my illness started from the age of 16; ECT can trigger a mania - I have seen it happen - a young woman in a severe depressed phase of her bipolar illness was given ECT only once - that was because almost immediately she went into a manic phase and was doing the Highland fling to music - a Scottish dance - in the patient's lounge in the psychiatric ward I was on for 4 months many years ago.
I agree. It also happened to me.
He's really cute. LOL
He is a doctor acting as the patient and not a real patient
It's the only thing that works for me after failing courses of standard treatment. Takes a bit getting used to so luckily I have my husband to take care of me. What a splitting headache. Overall, it's worth it. Even the memory impairment can be worked around. I would recommend it.
How was your experience with ect..was it helpful..has it any side effects..please let me know know..my doctor has also prescribed it for me
my stepdad was not himself for many years after receiving ECT for depression after his biological sons death in 1999. In Denmark scandinavia people get these treatments for lesser things and its not good for you short term memory or your mood in any way.. NOT RECOMENDED UNLESS YOURE DYING OR WANT TO BE A VEGETABLE!
very interesting video. i appreciate the attention to detail they demonstrate in regard to safety with use of the mouthguard, placing him on his side afterwards, and raising the side bars.
I've gone through 8 of these treatments, more coming soon. It's not exactly like this but similar, yes. It has helped me a lot. I understand people are scared of it since it looks very radical, but it really isn't. It's simple and doesn't take long. I have some problems with my memory but they will go away. That's all. I highly recommend this to people battling with serious depression or any other serious mental health issue. It works.
Hmm I'm not sure, I didn't notice it first but people around me said I seem much happier. I'd say about 5?
LatkaTheCat I hope they go away since they not always do. Some people get permanent injuries.
I second this.
LatkaTheCat Could you, after a couple months to a couple years give an update to someone about the memory loss and/ or how many times you had to go for more sessions. I've read a lot of comments across the internet where the effects wear off after some time and the memory loss is permanent.
LatkaTheCat Thanks for your comment. I'm having my first treatment tomorrow an I'm pretty fearful. It is good to read some positive comments instead of negative ones.
460 Volt for brain is not therapy!!!
Look the dokument:
Therapy or torture: The Truth about Elektroshock
I didn't know your body actually had a seizure, too. I thought they had it dialed in to where it's just your brain having the seizure.
I had a treatment today its the only thing that works
My uncle used to get treated with the older version of ECT however since it has been banned now we are left with little to no option than to wait for his medications to take action. When using ECT he would recover after a few sessions but now with the heavy medications he is more like a walking zombie. His motor functions have deteriorated while he is in a semi conscious state most of the time now. I hope our mental hospital here procure or recieves a new version of ECT soon.
Some of the comments and opinions on this video are very insensitive. Yes ECT is not for everyone and should only be used when other treatments hav'nt worked. However, for some severe cases of depression it has proved very effective (atleast in the short term whilst medications are being altered etc) . My mum has suffered with depression all her life, in periods where she has been severely unwell this is the only thing that has worked and kept her alive.
Kathryndemone
That looks like an extremely old version of this procedure. These days patients are also given muscle relaxing agents to prevent all these spasms he is presenting and possible injury during the procedure.
What I would desired would be a death without suffering surrounded by the people and the things I love. There is as much chance for that as there is in winning a whack of money in a lottery. It's just not going to happen. To get into life is hard. To get out is harder.
I agree
I just recently was discharged from the hospital and my doctor convinced me to try ECT while I was there and ECT wasn’t helpful whatsoever. All it did was cause me to be really tired and to lose some of my memories and they weren’t even the bad ones. Then when I woke up from it my muscles were extremely sore and I was hysterical every time since I had completely forgotten every time where I was and what was happening. I wish I hadn’t signed the papers, personally.
I'm sorry to hear you had such a negative experience. If you don't mind me asking a few questions, have you tried Venlafaxine (Effexor), Wellbutrin (Bupropion), Gabapentin (Neurontin), or an Amphetamine salt like Adderall?
Most psychiatrists zero-in on Serotonin for depression, but Venlafaxine promotes Noradrenaline, Bupropion promotes Dopamine slowly, Gabapentin promotes G.A.B.A. for anxiety-based depression, and Amphetamine promotes Dopamine quickly.
Gabapentin and Amphetamine are off-label treatments for depression, but they have both been found effective in treatment-resistant depression. I hope and pray you find relief and healing from your pain and grief.
I had got this treatment 10 years ago when I was 18. Now my brother is 18 and is getting this method (ECT).
This method is very hard for patient but it definitely works.
Educate yourself people this so called treatment is causing brain damage, learning disabilities, memory loss and feeling like you have no emotions. It ruined a lot of peoples life.
People think they have depression, until you actually get it. People in these comments have no fucking clue how hard REAL depression is. Every fucking second of the day is shit, you want to die. I dont care if I have memory issues, id rather have that instead of killing myself.
ECT has saved my life! My depression is in remission for the first time in my life!
congrats