What Electroconvulsive Therapy (ECT) is like
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- In this video, I talk about what electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is like and about my experience with it.
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This lady is very strong to make this video.
For those saying it's sickening and barbaric... imagine a person willing to do this as opposed to commit suicide. That's how desperate the situation becomes for people with depression
You say that but its not proven how ECT works and its not generally advised.
@@flimcomedy7667 Also, people's brains are permanently injured this way.
They are literally destroying a person's identity.
You miss the entire point.
@@r.c.whitaker296 No, they're not destroying a persons identity. But being depressed can feel like losing you're own identity. I work as a nurse in an ECT facility in Denmark. It's true that some have problems with their short term memory for at shorter period but that's usually the ONLY side effect from this treatment. Studies show that about 80 % of patients benefit from ECT.
@@flimcomedy7667 It's true that it's not proven to every detail how it works. But so goes for a lot of medicine that are used much more commonly. But the effect of ECT can be fantastic for some patients who after only few treatments get a lot better.
Session four of ECT and no more voices and Hallucinations
good for you! hope it's been well since you commented
i want to try now :0
That's amazing...
Dr. Bennet Omalu famous for diagnosing CTE in the NFL is saying similar outcomes anticipated in ECT given repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. You are also at long term risk for cardiac issues, cataracts, thyroid/adrenal issues, and ALS if you continue. You are being given a TBI with each and every procedure. You do not even recognize harm secondary to this. Law suits taking place on national level now around devices. Contact DK law group in CA. See ectjustice site and site called Life After ECT.
So happy for you! I start in a couple of days. Seeing your comment helps me feel more confident in getting it done. Hope to no longer hear voices.
ECT saved my life. For those commenting that've never lived with depression/suicidal tendencies and decades of med combinations that didn't work then you'll never understand what a day in our life feels like. After ECT treatments for the 1st time I felt happy, I'd never experienced a 'normal' day in my life. After my days started turning around for the better I wanted to scream what ECT was to the world. When you feel like there is no hope and no happiness, then you find something that turns it all around I would do it again in a second! I am very open and supportive to mental health awareness and now know there are happy days ahead! In my 40's and finally excited about life.
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades.
Yes the first 3 times you feel happy ( that's what has been told to me) because you have no memory of it... but by 4,5,6,7 my husband said I was crying all the time and was doing as bad as when I had started. Even my doctor said that I needed to stop because it was not working. Now I'm left with no memory of the last two years. And making new ones is very hard to keep...just be careful
I suffer with depression and major anxiety. It’s to the point where death doesn’t seem so scary anymore and more like a possible relief ( but I dont want to harm myself). This treatment was recommended to me, I want to feel relief like you, but I am so afraid. I am happy for you, some won’t understand, if only we could walk in the shoes of others.
I am very happy you are feeling better, however given that electrical trauma evolves years out you are at risk of developing CTE and ALS. You can develop cardiac and respiratory issues as all systems impacted by this. Many do not realize the full damages as the TBI now proved in the CA courts causes what is known as anosognosia which is failure to recognize the severity of incurred damages. There is a period of euphoria that is common in TBI as well. I wish you well certainly, but if down the road you have issues and want to pursue suit there is a national suit taking place around devices currently. There is also a new class action taking place in England. See you tube videos listed under heading of ectjustice to learn about various aspects around this greatly increased practice that generates 5 billion annually in US alone.
How many treatments did you receive?
ECT saved my life. I did have short term memory loss but it was totally worth. It kept me alive for 2 years when we couldn't find any medication that would work
@@usamarafieck1715 Major depression: severe, reoccurrent and Anxiety: generalized, obsessive compulsive
How many treatments did you have?
You kept you alive. Not ect. The mental health field will eventually be discredited
@@nicondo7373 Although ECT was voluntary I was hospitalized involuntarily and attempted suicide multiple times. I definitely wasn't me keeping me alive. If I had had my way back then I'd be dead. Those workers in the hospital I was in were some of the most kind and compassionate people I've ever met. There are bad apples, but most of them just really want to help people
@@tanyakayy 3 full rounds (12 total, 3 a week for 4 weeks) and maintenance ect (every 2 weeks to every 4 weeks) over a period of about 2 years
Why are they doing multiple people at once, i feel like thats so wrong and unnecessary :( each person should have their own private experience being treated, not a group setting :(
Thank you for sharing your experience. It means a lot
This is common. I had the same experience at a different ECT facility. Lots of people need the treatment, and it would cost too much money to have your own private treatment. It's really not so bad. Waiting sucks, but it makes sense if 20 other people need it, why not do it all at once.
CP I'm sure that nobody is directly watching other peoples experience, but they can hear some of the sounds a patient is experiencing, which surely, is very difficult. More to your point, why not simply have a treatment room that is much more sound resistant?
Canadian health care system. You do not want socialized medicine.
Predator sociopaths LOVE abusive capitalism, especially when it stinKKKs.
ECT caused me to lose long term memory, and left me with medical ptsd. It didnt work either becuase i was misdiagnosed with bipolar and they were treating that when i really had autism. Ect ruined my life. I know its life saving for many, but a small amount of people are left with life long complications.
Carrie Beckwith-Fellows thankyou for sharing
Howdy... Am really sorry for the medical error that was committed in your case.
If it makes you feel any better. Try imagining that this life isn’t all there is. This really helps me when I think my life is basically been screwed over forever due to schizophrenia. Jesus Christ especially gives me peace. Of which He is the ruler of! 😋
Brian Cooley my faith is what keeps me going.
@@briancooley8777 I can't say I understand your struggles with schizophrenia, but I have aspergers syndrome, and my long term partner has Bipolar disorder, type 2 which causes more mania rather than depression... we both have different episodes of different kinds and severity as we have 2 very different mental health conditions, but I feel you when you say your brain is screwed for life, I feel the same and so does my partner, but it's all we've ever known as we were born with it! Life is what it is man, it sucks sometimes but I'm also happy to be different if that makes sense??
Oh yes, the experience sure does vary. I just got my last zap on Monday (5 total this time) after a year-long depressive episode during which I hardly left my bedroom. I felt fantastic after my first treatment, that same day, and I kept feeling better and better to the point that I was worried about mania. (I wasn't manic.) The docs at the hospital said some patients just respond that quickly. (That's also why they recommended stopping after 5 treatments. My results were more than satisfactory after 5.) Here's my experience:
In my hospital, patients were isolated in the clinical areas. I was surrounded by MD's and nurses who talked a lot to each other, each in turn reciting the treatment they were about to perform on me. The anesthesiologist made one final check before injecting the knockout drug. There was always someone paying attention to me and my personal needs, nothing else.
Waking up SUCKED! I was extremely disoriented and anxious. Sometimes it felt difficult to breathe, but that was probably my anxiety. The disorientation cleared up within 15-30 minutes of my first awareness that I was awake. (It's difficult to tell time just then.) I can remember asking repeatedly nearly every time if we were done already. As soon as I could get back into the wheelchair, they brought me back upstairs to the (inpatient) unit and put my breakfast in front of me. To my constant amazement, I was hungry and never sick. About an hour later, I felt positively giddy! The hospital psychiatrists assured me it wasn't mania. (I have never beer manic.) It was my brain having forgotten how it felt not to be depressed.
The waking up experience never got any easier for me. In fact, it led to fits of anxiety the night before, and also when they wheeled me into the room. I was comfortable telling this whole room of psych nurses and hospitalists that I felt scared. I guess that's not unusual. One nurse offered to hold my hand. She told me she had held many hands before. I decided to be a brave boy though. In the big picture, this anxiety paled in comparison to my mood finally lifting.
The soreness in the body is not from the seizure. The only thing that moves is the right foot. That soreness is from the muscles stretching as they are hyper-relaxed by the paralytic drug. Normally there is enough muscle tone to prevent that degree of relaxation. With the drug they use, the muscles sag so much they stretch. I felt those aches mostly the day after.
Something a little embarrassing that I haven't read about or heard anyone talk about is... well, I wet myself the first time. I completely and carefully voided every time, less than five minutes before lights-out, but it still happened - the first time only. They told me about it because I was in scrubs when I woke up and my clothes were in the wash. (The nursing staff was really nice about it.)
This is the only advice I will give in this post: Weigh your possible embarrassment about wearing an adult pull-up (provided by the hospital for my 2nd treatment on) against your possible embarrassment about waking up after having wet yourself.
I would never try to persuade anyone to have ECT because it's a pretty drastic step and a very personal decision, but I do want to put my story out there. It worked very well for me, and I hope I don't wait so long before bringing it up with my doc again.
Beena Plumber thank you so much for sharing
What an amazing story of your experience! It was very kind of you to take the time to share. Wishing you the best!
I was in a similar situation had six done two in hospital then the rest out patient. I too the first time wet myself, so don't feel bad. But to this day still having tons of short term memory loss and the months leading up to some memory loss to bad it doesn't get rid of the memories of the the abuse and traumas that I went through that gave me the PTSD and I'm sure a lot responsible for my depression and anxiety I'm sure not the bipolar though but I do regret getting it I did the why were they put them on both sides I can't remember what it's called and every time of course they increased energy to get better seizure. I did never have a headache afterwards or my body felt sore or anything else but I still can't drive because I still cannot maintain the memories of the rules of driving and I also have forgotten complete people from my life tell my husband has to tell me about them show me pictures of them and the memory just never comes back I just figured they must not have been that important to me though that's so sad because that was never who I was before I never forgot a face I never forgot anything now I'm a different person altogether but not a person I want to be so that makes me more depressed. I'm glad you had such a great experience with it. I know that there are people out there that have had such great responses and I'm so happy for all of them it's just something I wouldn't have done it again.
@@lauraknighten9964 Stay strong!
@@lauraknighten9964 Did you have bilateral ect? Memory loss to that degree is not normal, certainly not for unilateral (one-sided) ect. I had bilateral ect once, and my memory was an absolute mess, but unilateral ect hardly affected my memory at all, and it really worked well. But there are conditions that respond better to bilateral ect, so that's between you & your doc.
Real heroes don’t wear capes.
So impressed with your courage, honesty and helping others. Knowledge Is Power
Beautiful words, she’s definitely my hero…hoping all is well
It's time for a Q and A video.
ECT brought my brother out of a profound untreatable depression. He tried every med known to science. They failed. ECT has kept him normal and off meds for 1 year. Yes there is some minor memory loss but way preferable to being unable to leave bed.
"Normal"?
@@TheSapphireLeo as someone dealing with depression I don't think it's offensive to imply that being depressed is abnormal. You're seeing an insult where there is none.
@@calicoathenaas someone dealing with depression i don't find it insulting at all. I don't think its normal to not be able to get out of bed and think of killing yourself all day. I am not normal.
Thank you for taking the time to share that positive experience with us. It gives me hope!
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was clearly very difficult for you to talk about and I wish I could give you a comfort. Thank you.
Permanent short term memory issues sounds like brain damage... which would make sense if you were cooking braincells with an electric current. I don't know... this just sounds like an outdated and bad idea.
Not outdated or a bad idea. No brain cells are cooked. Short term memory only lasts less than a couple of minutes in a normal person. The ability to create new memories can be affected during the course but recovers to better than before treatment in most people.
There are around 350+ studies on the effects of ECT and the researchers agree that ECT is very effective and actually most persons getting ECT are pretty thankful afterwards. You can just look it up in the Wikipedia article :)
@@Erdbeerheld1 Not most though. I had a friend with depression, who had countless ECT sessions for years after years without any serious issues, but then he started complaining of permanent memory losses or something like that. Memories he think is very important to him but he can never remember them anymore.
But the doctor was dismissive of his claims lol, telling him that ECT is already proven to be perfectly safe. He said they made him felt like he is spewing nonsense. His suffering seem genuine to me though.
They use electro shock to the base of our brains to remove memories of ops. Makes me sick as hell...severe head pain and nausea with vomiting. They don't give us any meds before, during or after.
David Pring I had my head fractured in 3 places. Ok I suffer from memory loss BUT I WAS LIKE IT BEFORE
A 600cc MB decided to bounce me off a car bonnet so it has no ref.
Your videos are SO good and so important. I love how even-keeled you are about this and other treatments, saying, "This didn't work for me, but it does help some people..." It's a much more intelligent approach than bashing and blaming. You talk about your experiences and the people in them (including yourself) in a logical and respectful way. It's very powerful.
go get a lobotomy from the idiot, illiterate doctors, and comment again. if you are still alive from the '''''''''''''''''""'"""""""treatment'''''''''''''''''''''''',,,,,''''''''.
@surfer300ZX unfortunately, the psychotic retards that form the colossal percentage of the psychowhatever therapy society, want the victims to lose every personal logic and blindly trust and repeat the psycho-trends of the era. So even without using dark age medicine, lobotomies or shocks (to fill their Doctor's Degree Study) they really want your Soul dead, as this death is the base of their cure. This is very evident to all people that systematically follow psychotherapy of any kind. It is maybe easier to isolate a psychotherapy addict than a heroin addict.
Yes, we actually have a science(?) that supposingly cares about the soul, starting by killing the soul..
I would normally say that is sad.
But since i do not take medicine or permit illogical experiments on my mind and body, which keeps my soul senses and expression intact, may i proudly and thoughtfuly say:
Rott in your Phychic Hell, scientists of nothing.
@@constantinosschinas4503 HELL YEs!!!@ thank you for speaking your truths
@surfer300ZX she said no such thing about it being negative.
@@edwardhale4294That might be how some interpreted her saying it did not work for her., ie., alleviate her symptoms, but she did not regret trying, and said it does work for many people.
ECT TURNED MY MOTHER INTO A ZOMBIE. and she lived a miserable existence, totally absent , and in fear, i miss you mumma RIP.
This is traumatic and should be Fkn illegal and banned!!!!!! It’s trash
I was thinking about getting this done but hearing this is changing my mind
I had ECT about 3 years ago. I received 20 bilateral and then 20 unilateral treatments. My short term memory during that time was completely gone. I couldn’t hold a conversation, I couldn’t remember words, how to spell, etc. I felt mentally disabled. When receiving treatment there were days where I felt like I was getting better but overall I didn’t. 6 months after stopping treatment, I started returning to normal and slowly my memory was getting better. However the 2 ½ years before receiving treatment I have no memory of. I still have short term memory problems but I don’t regret treatment. I think it helped but I wish I never had so many rounds for being such a young person at the time (17)
Marissa Noonan bless you.. you were very young getting it... 💕
U recommend to do ect or not?
You're extremely brave for sharing your experience! thank you for your insight.
Marissa, starting off with 20 bilateral treatments sounds a bit extreme, especially for someone so young. I'm so glad it helped enough to be worth it! In the end, that's the only calculation that matters - do the benefits outweigh the adverse reactions? In your case, given what you wrote (that you don't regret it), they did. I'm glad of that!
You know I've thought of this but I actually wish I had done it when I was younger as there was some past experiences I felt if I could forget I would've been more fubctional. I'm scared to this later in life though. Thanks for sharing.
I've had several ECT treatments twice. I hated it. I hated the idea. And I have a huge fear of anesthesia. The whole thing was miserable. The nurses were very nice. But they asked me every time before I went under "do you know if this is uni lateral or bi lateral treatment?" I always said I don't know. I wish I never had it. My memory can be bad. Where you had it sounded maybe less professional. You shouldn't been able to hear the people in front of you. Thanks for the upload.
How do you feel now? I hope you are OK.
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades.
I had it done A year ago and I still pee the bead I, did 6 session bilateral and my husband had to put a stop to it! My Neurologis was also very surprised that I made the decision before taking to him. He told my husband and I that if we had of quit by that time he was going to have a serious talk with us... and just an update I'm actually still processing to get worse...
@@lauraknighten9964 if interested contact the DK law group in CA to see about joining current national device suit around ECT devices. Class action now also taking place in England. See if your neurologist will enter you into TBI program if you want. See you tube videos under heading of ectjustice.
I heard the people doing my ECT and awoke before the paralytic wore off. I don't think there were any bad consequences for this. I was also scared and only had two treatments because the immediate aftermath felt pretty bad.
I wholeheartedly regret having ECT done. There were NO positive effects. I lost about 5yrs of memory from my life. And my short term memory is toasted. I do not recommend it to anyone! My IQ dropped about 30 points as well (not that that means much). Be careful if you are thinking of having ECT!
I'm so sorry about your experience.
My friend forgot her children after undergoing this barbaric practice.
She committed suicide soon after.
Jason how are u ?
You guys are stupid for having ECT. You fucking morons you guys went all crazy stupid while you guys were being detained mentally for interrogations. They been reading minds, the whole situation of being a target is best handled being calm about it, all they want to know is if your guilty of crimes like murder or pedophilia or if your willing to commit these crimes by brainwashing you until you confess of any crimes. The government does this, intelligence agencies do this, mind reading goes way back waaaay back. Pedophiles get SCHIZOPHRENIA btw not all of them but a lot of them and they get electric shocks out of nowhere if they have thoughts of having sex with children.
All you got to do with the experiments for research is remain calm, know that you are being watched and stay calm, the more innocent you are the more you can cope having stingers on your head and they will drop the mind tricks.
BTW welcome to the world of espionage.
They put codes in your head to keep track of what you think, what you see, hear, say, and do to keep track of your life. Welcome to the New World Order.
@@leonard_spunky chill
Same here.. nothing positive about me after did ECT
I have Akathesia caused by Antiphsychotic drugs, which also caused a blood clot so I'm on Warfarin for life, thanks for your video Happy new year 2020
Do you mean to say your akathisia is permanent?
I’ve been having ECT every week for two years now. I have schizoaffective disorder, too. It has helped me.
Have you had memory loss Honey? I have some memories that really caused me trauma 1 year and 7 months ago...and I have been praying about it... I feel better Is like that really Is stuck in my mind that never leaves me...Is something a Little difficult to explain ..but Is like my mind stays in that point of my life and I have improved but not as I would like
That really hurts me
God bless you Honey i want everything Is going okay in Your life
Dsyna Schwartz...did you heal from sczophernia?
:/ ?
They wanted me to do this and I was terrified and refused
amazed wanderer you are right it was a good decision not to do it their are better ways
So was I. They eventually had to do it. I lost only a few weeks of short term memory that seems to slowly come back in some small nuggets. Fear is very real though.
Don’t be afraid. Depression is too hard to live with.
Love the video. I saw it when considering ECT. I also had zero other options. I also did 12 treatments with no effect; I continued doing them, and after 14 I got a glimpse of relief; after 2 more (16), the depression that I swore would never leave, was gone completely. I am now tapering off, which is going to once/week, once every other week, once after 3 weeks, once/month if needed. Also, for me, only the first treatment made me sore; the second one they added an anti-inflammatory.
It took me a bit longer, but it saved my life, when all other treatments didn't. My doc also told me the ECT treats depression, and depression from bipolar, and mania.
Like she said, there is no pain other than some aches and a headache now and then (for me); compared to being entrenched in suicidal depression, this is nothing.
If you're concerned about having a seizure, like she said, you're under anesthesia the whole time, so, technically I could say I've never actually experienced a seizure at all.
Thanks for sharing this my friend. I wish you great life and a lot of strength to fight mental illness.
ADHD: 5:55 "It's kind of a gradual lifting of the cloud". I wonder if any ADHD sufferers have experienced ECT. I imagine the additional short-term memory loss could be debilitating.
Psilocybin: From Googling, looks like ECT is used in cases of depression that doesn't get better with typical medication. What about psilocybin? I realize its classification prohibits therapeutic use, but just wondering if anybody has anecdotal evidence of it helping post-ECT. Also, not sure if psilocybin and schizophrenia mix well.
Just asking.
PS. Subscribed out of principle. But then it also warmed my heart.
I had ECT done and I have bipolar and ADHD. Imo it kinda helped my ADHD because my ADHD can trigger depressive episodes, and lifting the depression helped my ADHD even a little. The short term memory loss sucked, but playing video games, reading, and working short term as a waiter helped
I am not sure how well psilocybin would work with schizophrenia if its taken at a high enough dose to cause psychedelic effects. I feel like it could be a scary experience.But I definitely think micro-dosing psilocybin could work as that's been shown to be effective too!
@@slushpuppie19 I think mainstream Psychedelics role in schizophrenia is overplayed, a lot of cases could be attributed to knock offs rather than the real thing. Of coarse too much of anything is a bad thing, and I wouldn't suggest taking any heavy psychedelic outside of an experienced settings, but I do think psychedelics could actually help a lot in the treatment of many mental illnesses. I don't know if this will piss people off, but THC and CBD actually do nothing for my depression and diagnosed bipolar disorder (don't want to co-opt any terms without proper diagnosis, but I do go from both ends at random times), I don't think they make it worse but they certainly don't help. Of coarse that's my experience and it could be the strain, since they are proven to help a lot.
@@psychedeliccarrie5921 I see the potential for something like MDMA in a therapeutic setting, but I just imagine the hallucinatory element of other psychedelics could get quite overwhelming for a schizophrenic. That's why I'd advocate microdosing, which has been shown to still bring about the positive mood-lifting and 'brain resetting' effects.
79 ECT’s gave me a TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY.......DON’T do it!!!!! It has ruined my life..... seriously.... had bi-lateral treatments. Serious permanent short term memory loss.
That's terrible. I'm so sorry this happened to you. How are you now? Are things improving or is it a permanent thing?
Sorry for your what you have gone through with ECT. God bless your soul
Great job! I am considering this treatment for my depression/mania. I don't know if that works or not though... I am proud of y'all brave enough to share. Thank you.
Hi Lauten, I'm not a patient but I'm a doctor (not psychiatrist). First of all, I'd like to do my congratulations to you for opening your heart to everybody intereated in Medicine, for your Courage and for your honesty. Doing that you help the doctors too in understanding all the aspects of depression, not just the patients. Your clinical story is very precious for everybody. I'm sorry that ECT didn't work for you. I hope other therapies will help you as soon as possible. Thank you endless for your Courage. You're a great example for everybody. Thousand thumbs up.
How does it work?
I am fascinated. Most treatments target SSRIs or Dopamine, but the AEDs also have effects on electricity. Why would both an induced seizure, and anti epilepsy drugs work?
@@aethelwolfe3539 it's not completely known how it works but it changes neurotransmittion of all neurotransmitters in brain that for some time. It becomes more 'healthy' and person usually feels better after it. For antiepileptics, they are used as sedation in some cases and also for bipolar disorder because they are stopping hyper excitement of neurons so they can't cause change of moods.
I believe I may have commented before, but I had just been speaking to a friend who was appalled that I had had several rounds of ECT. I am a person living with schizoaffective disorder (of the depressive type) and the stigma of “shock therapy” exists to this day. More than a few times, ECT has saved my life. My depression lifted and so did my hallucinations and delusions. Not immediately with one treatment, but I wish people would recognize that ECT is not a “torturous, antiquated treatment akin to lobotomy.” Yes there are side effects, just as with any treatment of any illness, but I still contend that the side effects of my ECT were much shorter in length and different from the common side effects of my psych meds. Don’t be afraid. It can really help some. ❤️
My mother underwent 16 treatments between 1965-1968 against her will. Her only crime was being married to a man who wanted another woman. Her only “illness” was depression from her experiencing this kind of rejection after the birth of her fourth child with postpartum depression who was ripped from her side shortly after his birth. My mother was a brilliant woman prior to this. Calm cool collect. The ECT forever changed her mentation and ability to engage in normal conversations. Her parents drove to Tx where she was being held, from Va where she was raised. They got her out and took my dad to court and won custody of her and all of her four children which includes me. They took us home to Va the state of her birth and there we grew up and eventually went out separate ways to young adults. I have a video from Dr Peter Breggin who is a psychiatrist who speaks out on the brain damage that occurs from undergoing ECT. My mother was never the same after ECT. I’m happy your alright other than short term memory difficulties. . I’ll share the video. And many blessings, and thank you for sharing your experience. th-cam.com/video/QOtacCftvcs/w-d-xo.html
Patient: *receives electric shock therapy*
Doctor: how do you feel?
Patient: *speaks incoherently*
Doctor: he's mentally unstable, proceed with another round of treatment
doctor, i can't tell if i'm not me
It saved me BUT I think the outcome is unpredictable.
I'm a nursing student interested in Psych. I also suffer from mental health issues.Thank you for sharing your story and being open about your mental health struggles!
@TheHeyDood I'm a new grad nurse working in psych with my own mental health history. Did you graduate and go into psych nursing?
Thank you for sharing your experience.
ECT was never like "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," even though it has indeed improved. It is really good to see that ECT is now an outpatient procedure. It does help a lot of people.
my own outpatient ect experience mirrors yours. thank you for trying to help others by sharing. you are a brave soul.
I guess it works for some and not for others, the same way that most mental health treatment results are. But thank you for coming out and telling your story. It’s most helpful to understand schizo effective disorder from someone who has it
Wow, so sorry it didn't work for you, I've had two sessions so far and I noticed a difference after the first one.
Good luck and thank you
Hello: This is my son's TH-cam, but It is the mom who is writing. I am the one that suffer from depression. My son is perfectly fine a Dios Gracias. To the video Lady, thank you for sharing your experience. Today was my seven ECT and I woke up crying. I thought today was going to be the day I was finally feel better, but it was not. I have severe/resistant Depression. I know I still have a couple ECT to go and i hope they work. It is my only hope. I have a great /Team of professionals that do my ECT and I have God with me. If you read this, please send all of your positive thinking to my ECT's to see if i can finally enjoy my son and my family a little bit. I have been suffering from Depression for a long time and it is terrible. Hopefully number 8 will be the one. It is on Friday. Pray God is going to work. Thank you.
My bro suffering similar symptoms. My thoughts and my prayers are with all of you in the battle of mental health.
You are brave and y’all are loved.
Stay strong and find way to keep expressing your struggles! Help shall come
Good luck! 🦋
I actually considered this until I tried psilocybin from mushrooms changed my life I feel great just a consideration
Much respect. My fraternal grandmother was institutionalized and as a young person it was traumatic to visit her in an overcrowded state hospital. My own mental health is not well and my anxiety and depression scares me to this day. I pray it does not worsen. Thank you for sharing your experience and please stay awesome.
My mother had ECT during the 1960s but the treatment made her more violent and unstable.She was never the same again.
Did it improve over time?
Yes it causes brain damage
God bless you and be with you. It's very hard to have a parent with mental illness and shock treatments. My dad had them
Thank you for speaking your truths!!!!
I am sorry to hear about this, but for a fact I do know that back in the 1950s they didn't use anesthetics and anti-depressants which is a muscle relaxant which usually helps schizophrenic patients a lot, and the drug used was called antipsychotic which had a lot of side effects but after the medical advancement a new drug was introduced which was more effective and had less side effects (Atypical antipsychotics), since such drugs are far more worse than ECT, this treatment is the only available which helps individuals with schizophrenia a lot, however, I ask you not to lose hope of such treatment. Thank you
My friend has ECT. She has bad memory loss.
Off, that does not sound good. Probably due to the high shock the brain.
I had 6 out of a 12 proposed ECT treatments as an inpatient when I was 20 years old where my doctor was the head doctor of the psychiatry ward. I improved enough after 6 treatments not to need the rest. I guess they put us all out (about 8 patients) with sodium pentothal first because I never heard anyone else getting shocked or remember getting a muscle relaxant. We counted backwards from 99 and I never got past 96 as I felt the sodium pentothal that rose like swimming pool chlorine sort of filling my nostrils and numbing me out. I LOVED the after-effects when I woke up. There was a halo around everything including people and my eyesight was all blurry. I always thought I was in heaven and as we were led to the cafeteria for a late breakfast (ECT had to be done on an empty stomach) I glided up to the big silver carts holding the serving trays and began trying to hand them out; because previously I had worked in a hospital kitchen and thought I was in heaven to serve. When the glorious angels in white (nurses) seated me at the table I was enthralled "I am going to be served at the tables of God myself???" The one table that had the old men at it seemed to be the table of the Last Supper to me. As I slowly ate the heavenly food I came to realize that I was indeed in the ward cafeteria and just eating regular hospital breakfast food. Eventually the glow around everything calmed down and disappeared and I realized "wow I am back on earth!"
Sounds like taking heroin
Hi Lauren
My husband was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia
He has morbid jealousy as well
With assaulting me once
Delusions n no insight
Its encouraging to see things are not bad as I think when I go through ur videos but I'm still afraid
So much I want to say about my own experience with ECT. Just can’t today. Unless someone sees this and wants to know…
For me I think your channel is the only channel on TH-cam that is giving me some better insight on these things and I recently took the Schizophrenia Test and it’s the same one you tried. I found that one to be really helpful and I will be seeing a doctor about the signs I’ve been experiencing.
Thats disgusting that you can see other patients seizures. They dont seem to care how badly they traumatise mental patients.
I love your content! Thanks for sharing
i think its barbaric, my partner had it 3 times and after each time she was a totally different person.
Sorry you had that experience, I assume you mean your wife changed for the worse? For others it has definitely changed them for the better.
It's totally ineffective and terrible.
@@dianaprince9944 it's extremely effective for some people.
@@dianaprince9944 I just went through my 9th treatment. Its a blessing
@@dianaprince9944 it saved my life. I feel empathy for those it has not worked for, but it can be incredibly effective. I did it for about 2 years and all I had was some short term memory loss. It's what kept me alive until we could finally find a medicine that would work for me
It saved my life. 3 weeks of it. Nothing else works for me when I’m severely depressed and soiling the bed etc. I’m a mid 40’s highly educated and thriving and giving back to society but then? The “black dog” would hound me. I too was at the end of the row which at 18 years old scared me so much but? It worked . Thanks for being someone that others will listen to. I’d have both sides. Afterwards? I’d wake with a jaw ache and a mild headache in the back of my head but other than that? I felt amazing mood wise.
Where did you get this ECT therpy? Can you give the address?
Blade Hell , between Australia and Antarctica
@@Smashingit2022 ???
Blade Hell in Launceston Tasmania or Royal Hobart Hospital. Both our public hospitals do it if required
So happy for you!
Everyone's sharing their story in the. Basically it all boils down to the same thing. People these days rely on external sources for their happiness because they can't deal with life and natural human emotion. They have no energy or peace from family or religion etc so they look for external medical remedies.
ECT is working for me and yes I do like it, it helps when all else fails. I have received between 40 and 50 treatments and it is affecting my short-term memory but I had nothing to lose is how I looked at it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Does it affect memory permanently?
No I don't believe so. I'm going through it every 10 days because of the memory issues from 8 to twice a week. I think it's from back to back visits every 8 days and more. Once I switched to 10 days people are saying that they are noticing a difference. I did like the 8 days cause it was making me feel good and was all that I had. Hope this helps a little bit but please feel free to keep asking if you have more questions.
Everyone is different and for some it's not worth it. Make sure you have a good doctor that will listen.
@@scottmorse7762 thank you am thinking to give it a go but worried at the same time.
If ECT induces a seizure but if you have a seizure not on the so called treatment, you should go to the ER. I don't understand why "normal" doctors would try to treat someone with ECT but the people in the ER actually try to help you stop having a seizure.
Thank you for making this video ect scares me. But your video has helped me realize it might be a last ditch effort if I ever get any worse with my disorder.
It is actually considered one of the most effective treatments for severe depression. It is generally used after medication has failed because it is more extreme, but it isn't really a last ditch.
@@berf9445 right I never knew anything about it till this video. For me it would be a last resort.
Thank you for your post. I have had 2 E.C.T. rounds so far and will be going through several more. It is indeed scary the first couple times. I have hopes it will help. I have had severe depression for many many years. Thanks again and best of luck.
ECT also saved my life. For me, it caused temporary memory loss as well as something I call "people déjà vu", where it's as if you recognize a person you've never met before. I've had major depression since I was a little kid and after 12 treatments, I no longer have it. It's an intense treatment and success varies from individual to individual, but I no longer feel depressed. I think it's particularly effective in taking suicidal thoughts away. After the second treatment, those thoughts have not entered my mind since. It's a profound experience, after 42 years, to live without depression. I still can't believe it's gone.
Wow, you’ve been doing ECT for 42 years then! And Very little complications with memory.
@@thepudge6953 No, just for about a year
What way are you now?
@@Slidehhy I still get what are called "maintenance" ECT, so I still receive the treatment but at larger periods apart, eg. once a month, ect... While I'm not thrilled with the therapy, I do remember a time when I so desperate to get rid of my depression that I would literally try anything. I have had significant reduction of my symptoms but remember, nothing works perfectly. Either way, your psychiatrist will work to develop a treatment that benefits you. And my depression can and has returned so you have to keep an eye on your feelings.
@@lightfighterfilms So do you now feel joy and happiness in the little things?
I struggle with anxiety and depression I wanna feel life
Felt as she described after 12 treatments.....that ECT seemed to not have any affect on me other than short memory loss. But my aunt had it done many years ago & after her “56th” treatment, it completely cured her major depression & suicidal thoughts.
OMG...more than 50 shocks before she got a result? Did she stay cured? Would you keep getting treatments until a sudden good result? That's a hard choice for sure...
@@elvispresley5457
Think some people do have results after their first series of treatments, which is usually considered 8-12. But yes my aunts magic number was at 56. I’m planning to go start again in the fall....which will be my 10th. Has affected short term memory somewhat.....but gotta keep trying as nothing else has ever worked😬.
Thank you for sharing something so traumatic with everyone. Regardless of its potential efficacy, ECT should never be used as a threat to coerce someone to submit to treatment. It is easy to understand, between all the medication and threats of electrocution, why someone would feel their mind is being controlled. Wishing everyone going through this much love and empathy.
ECT saved my wife's life.
For you
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades. If you have had ECT contact the DK law group in CA to see if you can join the current national product liability suit taking place around the untested devices that deliver up to 450 volts and greater to the brain.
If interested your wife can contact the DK law group in CA to see about joking the current national product liability suit around ECT devices. Please have her watch you tube videos under heading ectjustice so she may have assist.
@@nicondo7373 exactly
@@Winner1-c2u sounds like you work for DK Law Group..
Very interesting information! Thank you for this :)
I could have looked this up.
you’re absolutely incredible and it’s extremely amazing that you can talk this openly about the “scarier” mental health issues. i know personally it has changed my perception, so thank you for helping me open my mind to these topics.
My roomate says it didn't work......Her depression was nearly eliminated, and her manic spending sprees became non existent. She stopped crying at random times. She built a life after doing it (with meds of course-it ain't a miracle cure)
Didn't work?
Thank you very much for putting together this helpful video!
I think that everyone should watch your videos. You give such clear information in a very personable way which I think would resonate with many people and help to reduce stigma and misunderstandings around mental health
Thats why she is on here to help educate people
I commend you so much for sharing your story. I’m a 24 year old male and when I was 17 I also did ECT at Ohio States hospital. I also did 12 rounds and it wasn’t my favorite experience. I now work in the mental health field as a peer support and I just want to say thank you for being brave and talking about the hard roads others don’t understand!
did you take it for depression
You can see and hear other patients getting the treatment? That doesn't sound right.
This might not be related, but I was born with facial palsy. I was only five days old when I was getting my ECT and I continued the treatment until age 12 years old. I stopped it due to facial burning that my parents started noticing. Growing up I have always thought something was wrong with my memory(Long term memory). Now at age 25 I’m just so scared that this will keep effecting me in a way or another. I don’t think it’s for everyone.
I like your attitude expecially when the treatment did not work.
@surfer300ZX Except that it would be irrational to say, "this didn't work for me; therefore, no one else should do this" -- just as it would be for someone who has experienced substantial improvement after ECT therapy to see, "it worked great for me, EVERYBODY should do this!"
However, that being said, it does bother *me* -- personally -- that we do not even have a working theory for how this therapy works for some people but not for others, and that in some cases it can be more damaging than helpful, but I tend to be more conservative in my approach at times to treatments. Some people are not as conservative; that's their choice.
@surfer300ZX my friend we as humans do not know a little fucking shit.
Just found your channel. I think we are about the same age, and it's so nice to hear a perspective on mental illness from someone similar to me. I have bipolar disorder, and during a time of trying many different medications, and having none of them work, my psychiatrist began to talk to me about ECT. I didn't end up getting it, because at the same time I was prescribed a medication that started to help. It's not off the table for me in the future, and videos like yours make me feel more comfortable with the idea should the time come that I need that treatment. I am also so so sorry for the way they did the treatment as a group, which seems awful to have to go through. My heart goes out to you on that one. I know how hard it is to make sacrifices like that in order to seek relief.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I love your videos
I went thru 16 sessions....we are very lucky to have the right people around us to lead us thru all this things...I was in house for a month..but it saved me......I was completely in my hallucinations...living in hell..and thanks to the treatment I now live my life and not the life of my hallucinations...great content your videos...
I had 21 treatments back in the early 70's. It screwed me up to the max. I've lost words, memories, you name it.and I was still depressed.
Did anything help your depression since then?
It's been 15 years taking ect and I am still facing memory disturbances and confusion
I had 57 ect treatments in 5 years, it saved my life, but my memory is shit
you got unilaterral or bilateral
I’m glad you didn’t have any complications with your course of treatment. I too finally had ECT out of desperation and it didn’t not have any lasting effects for me. I too suffer from short term memory loss but I work on this regularly and this now has improved. Still it continues a problem. Personally in my situation they did not use the same anesthesia as you received and paddled were used instead of electrodes. I had my ECT treatments in 2010. I was given a paralytic and a barbiturate. On 2 occasions this form of anesthesia was insufficient; the first time waking up as I was having my respiratory effort supported purely by ambu bag ventilation and even after knowing this; the next time the paralytic was effective but I was never unconscious from the barbiturate. Unable to speak, move or even open my eyes; it was thought that I was sufficiently anesthetized for the procedure. I laid there awake and aware of everything that was happening and about to happen in pure fear knowing I would be receiving a shock to my head. I do remember the paddle put to my head and felt the initial delivery of the shock before going unconscious. I’m telling this story about my experiences which btw my treatments were ended after this event; because I feel that it’s important to understand that there’s some serious hospital misconceptions about providing ECT. If I were to do that over again; I would have researched hospitals and doctors; since I later found out from a second opinion at Emory Hospital that the anesthesiologists should be experienced with ECT anesthesia and the patient should have the same anesthesiologist each treatment; I also was informed that after the initial 12 treatments ECT is most effective with once a month treatments ongoing. After the ECT was unsuccessful I sought out this second opinion and was placed on an MAOI which is quite effective; however I didn’t get back into balance until the drug Saphris came out around 2014. This medication was a game changer for me and why I mention it. The side effects less harmful to me; but I had such vivid dreams that working on this in therapy very very slowly; unraveled so much garbage I had stuffed into my subconscious for so many years and had no idea how working through it would give me a greater understanding of how I got this way and steps back into my form of normalcy. I’m always going to be on medication and always going to have to “ check myself “ for imbalances on a regular basis as the signs are subtle at first.
I do feel that ECT is a safe procedure and for me it bought me more time and that was my positive; since my time was running out in my severe depressive state. I feel for some it is effective and the answer ; but if you have tried all the front line; second line treatments and you are running out of time; then you might seriously consider the option because it will buy you time until the right answer for you appears and hold on through those moments because it will come! I appreciate you for making this video and sharing your story as I feel that you covered it so well; plus creating a place that I could share my story and maybe if enough of us did; there would be fewer moments to struggle through to see the next day. I feel sad for those who don’t make it through the moment but I understand why it happens. Buy the time through the moment is my best advice.
Thank you for sharing your experience, it's helpful to hear from others experiences.
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades. If you have had ECT contact the DK law group in CA to see if you can join the current national product liability suit taking place around the untested devices that deliver up to 450 volts and greater to the brain.
Thank You for sharing..
Blessings..
I’am at the 6th session of ECT and I feel like I’am lost I don’t know WHAT THE HELL happening to me but I felt happy so . They decided 8 sessions for me
ECT treatment has saved my life. I'm bipolar, and suffered from debilitating depressions for years. No meds worked (tried over 20), and had been admitted to hospital several times. But ECT made all the difference, I needed 6 treatments before noticing a differens and had 12 in all (inpatient. I've been an outpatient for over three years now having ECT every 2-4 weeks and I'm more stable than I've ever been. It does affect my short and long term memory, but it's worth it. I'm so glad you made this video, so that people may realise it's not as barbaric as they believe.
So how long do the effects last before they ware off
Did it help with anxiety as well?
Truth of ECT th-cam.com/video/_6jxhMEbFIA/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Bennett Omalu who diagnosed CTE in the NFL players is now saying same outcomes anticipated in ECT patients given the repeated brain injuries from electrical trauma. See sites ectjustice.com and site Life after ECT. Long term outcomes as well can include ALS. Increase in suicide following ECT. No FDA testing for safety or effectiveness. Billions involved in these cover ups for decades. If you have had ECT contact the DK law group in CA to see if you can join the current national product liability suit taking place around the untested devices that deliver up to 450 volts and greater to the brain. Once you have researched this please go on public social media and let others know what is taking place as this practice has greatly increased and patients are lied to of the harm from this.
Were you type 1 or 2?
I honesty cant belive this still happens...convulsions and seizures just damage the brain. Why do you this epilepsy is a dangerous disorder that can kill you
thank you for making your video. i am currently undergoing ect treatments. i had 12 initially, but i wasn't really that much better, so now i'm having 'maintenance' treatments once a week. i am experiencing short term memory loss, but it has gotten a little better since they went from doing both sides of my head down to just my right side. they said that it will come back in about three weeks after the treatments end, but right now, there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. my depression doesn't exactly feel any better, but i am no longer obsessing over suicidal thoughts, so that IS an improvement.
I never knew about Electroconsvulsive therapy. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
Here’s what I don’t get: I take an anticonvulsant for seizure prevention, because repeated seizures are bad. ECT is the repeated induction of convulsions (seizures) done with the intention of restoring normative electrical patterns in the brain. And this is supposed to be good. We know that some epileptics become psychotic when their seizures are effectively suppressed (forced normalization). And we know that some psychotic and/or major depressive conditions remit when we induce seizures. But what we don’t know is what the underlying physiology is for these paradoxical interventions. People who’ve had elective ECT (among them, the late Carrie Fisher) tend to say it saved their lives. But I know of no cases in which someone given ECT without consent would elect to have it done again. In other words, the subjective experience of improvement seems to depend not on the procedure itself, but on the patient’s consent. And that consent tends to come in desperation, after months, or even years of failed pharmaceutical intervention. The consensus on ECT seems to be that it works, albeit by causing just a little bit of brain injury. Anything that works, administered with the patient’s informed consent, has my ringing endorsement. But I’m not convinced ECT is good medicine. And looking at this young woman-who now appears wan, beaten down and shell-shocked-has done little to persuade me otherwise. I applaud your courage in sharing your treatment. But if I was your mother, I’d be beating down doors to find a better way.
tell em what it is Lisa
I had a set of 6 doses in 2005 and a set of 5 doses in 2014. It saved me. I don't know why it was 5 doses the second time.
Thank you for shedding light on this subject- it isn't often talked about and can be really scary for some!
I'm seriously considering this. I might try TMS first
I had 8 treatments done in 2014. In my experience we waited in the same room together for treatments but the actual treatment was done in a separate room and you came to in an area only separate from the waiting area by cloth dividers. They gave anesthesia and a paralytic for the actual procedure. I can remember them putting a thick rubber band on my head and a bite block in my mouth, and usually my jaw was extremely sore for the rest of the day and I couldn't really chew food. I also had low blood pressure and the first hour after the procedure they checked it every 5 minutes at first, then 10, then 15. I didn't feel like I had memory loss during the treatments but the day after treatment I wouldn't remember almost anything from the day of treatment but didn't realize I was missing time until someone would say something happened that I have no recollection of. By my final treatment I couldn't read a full sentence without forgetting the first half (that resolved in about 2 weeks) and I lost most of my memories for the three months prior to treatment. Like you I have schizophrenia/depression and although it didn't help I was desperate and know that it is a lifesaver for some with treatment resistant depression. The first treatment I woke up before the paralytic wore off which was very scary because they were still breathing for me, I couldn't move or cry or scream or breath but eventually they realized and put me out again. I woke up especially fast after that time and tried to sit up but I still didn't have enough muscle control in my neck so my head stayed on the mat and stuck me in this weird triangle position. Thankfully the nurse noticed and picked my head up and laid it back down. It's hard to believe that I was desperate enough to continue after that. Every treatment I woke up quickly with almost no disorientation. I threw up (just bile since treatment is on an empty stomach) right after I came to on my eighth treatment. I still have memory issues but minus the 3 month gap I'm not sure they are worse than what the schizophrenia and meds have caused. I have trouble reading long books because I can't remember what I read the day before and I can watch the same movie multiple times without remembering it but that started happening around middle school. I've also noticed going through old photos that I'm missing large portions of time.
Wow thank you so much for sharing this important information! Makes me think twice about going through with it. I'm desperate at this point though. Did you try any other treatments like TMS before this one? Did anything help yet?
@@smmilton32 I did not try TMS or other non-medication options. I had been in-patient twice before this and had an allergic reaction to one of the medications. My second time the medication they had put me on worked, but then I started lactating due to the medication and there isn't much known for the long term effects of that, so psych took me off it. Eventually we tried a different mix of medications and I have been almost intirely symptom free of hallucinations and delusional episodes since then.
@@jsomebody2289 YAY!!! Feels so good to know you're better now!! (I have the biggest smile right now because your mental health is improving! lol) I decided not to go this route before trying TMS I already have brain damage from my last suicide attempt and I definitely don't need anything that could make it worse. I'm thankful that you shared your experience. 💜
Thanks for sharing your experience. May I ask what was your diagnosis ?
@@raywagmi-sun2413 Schizoaffective Depressive Type or Schizophrenia with Major Depressive Disorder depending on what the doctor prefers (those two are the same thing but not to be confused with Major Depressive Disorder with psychotic features)
ECT is commonly used in patients with depression however, if it is not a mandatory emergency (as in you are extremely suicidal and need quicker results), research TMS!! This is a new form of ECT which is much less harmful because instead of shocking your whole brain, it only stimulates a specific part. It doesnt have any side effects except temporary mild headaches if any at all. This can only be done in patients who do not experience psychosis or mania though!! There are other qualifiers too but if you are desperate and there are no other treatments that work, look into TMS first. It has really improved my life immensely. Extremely grateful for it.
A friend of mine has just started ECT treatment for her bipolar disorder and I found your video very helpful. We’re not close (she spoke openly about this in her social media) but I wanted to be aware of what modern ECT entails and how it is experienced so I wouldn’t accidentally make her uncomfortable with questions that she may find triggering atm. I want to be supportive and watching your video allows me to remain respectful to her and get more insight into the procedure
Why are psych patients made to be part of these groups, given no privacy. While people with physical issues are given much privacy. I have been on both sides, the physical issues come with much more privacy, and respect.
I had 12 procedures, and it did nothing but wipe blocks of memory, so much so that I can no longer work as an engineer...
wylee giles sorry to hear that.
How old are u
sorry to hear that. the procedure sounds horrific.
Some of us would benefit from having memories wiped like the badd ones
@@brandonholmes1144 actually that's what I want
Do you know how to get memory erasure
I actually want to forget everything of past 3 years
ECT worked for my aunt but not for me. I only had unilateral though. Bilateral is more effective. I barely remember the year leading up to having ECT b/c I kept having nervous breakdowns and was locked up a lot. I don’t regret it either, I was desperate and willing to anything to get better for my daughter.
I hope your feeling as well as you seem if depression creeps back know your not alone I had (ect) 28 times to no avail.
did you get unilateral or bilateral
Well I forgot myself.
I forgot who I was.
Since 2014 I forgot my college/school Friends.
I forgot how to act, since then I have been trying to reconnect from the old me, since then I have changed, hate that doctor and my parents for agreeing to what the docter suggested.
Whatever you say ECT ruined me.
I am also facing severe memory loss bro
So, recently I underwent 25 bilateral(both temples) ECT treatments, some with Ketamine.
I'm happy to hear someone elses experience. It didn't work for me either; they actually wanted to do more treatments, but I was afraid to keep going. I was inpatient for some of the treatments, and it was working for the other patients I talked to.
I have had pretty extreme memory loss, about 4ish years are gone and I am having trouble remembering anything that happened if it is 3-4 days ago.
The doctors say my loss is not the usual, and much more extreme. I also do not regret getting it. It is really effective, just not for everyone, like any treatment. I am hopefully going to try TMS soon.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds very similar to mine, and that is nice to hear.
@Keith DeMons I don't know why they didn't stop earlier for me. It was supposed to be like 12. My pdoc and therapist both said my side effects are more like a stroke victim :(
My doc is now talking more about the ketamine nasal spray that just came out, rather than TMS. I will try to remember to update if they do try the TMS. Sorry the ECT didn't work for you :
@surfer300ZX I am a danger to myself. Anything I can try I will. The alternative is ending my life, something I fight daily. I am not normal. My brain is ill.
@surfer300ZX often, when I'm very ill, I do believe this.
@surfer300ZX "Did you know the world around us is a holographic illusion? It's not real or solid". I recommend if you try to fly, start from the ground, not the roof. Also, please do not think you know what motivates mental health professionals. They may have been carers of family with mental illness or even suffer themselves. There are a lot of people out there who come from the heart and work in this field.
they just use you as guinea pigs and statistics for their doctoral diplomaz. embrace your craziness and hang around with people that accept it.
I know this is an older video, however it was extremely helpful. CLEAR and CONCISE. only wish you shared how many times you did it. What a bummer to go through all that and no help. SORRY
in England they are giving controlled amounts of LSD for severely depressed patients in a careful monitored room. It was very interesting and many patients noted that it changed the way they perceived the world .
Similar in US. Ketamine
@Billy Reed Micro dose ketamine will not be the same experience.
@Billy Reed I do not know your ketamine dose. I thought that ketamine when used for depression was a small dose, in comparison to ketamine used as an anaesthetic or as a recreational drug, with a very different experience.
That is very interesting. I did not know anyone was using LSD as a mental treatment. It certainly does change the way one perceives the world.
I see I need to start plans to move to England
I'll be trying TMS within the next couple of weeks to see if it helps with my somatization disorder. ECT would be a possibility if all else fails.
i was in a psychiatric hospital in the 1970's. several people on my ward had it done. i didn't, they thought i was too young (15) and would have too much memory loss. but older patients who had it felt a lot better for it and said it helped a great deal with their depression. it was harder then though. they didn't knock you out. they'd be scared of it the night before but always felt so much better afterwards. my observations of it's effectiveness are pretty positive
Can you do ECT if you didn’t try medication?
When I say ECT saved my life I'm not being dramatic. I had already attempted suicide within a month of treatment and nothing worked for me. I received ECT for 3 months, bilaterally, and my depression finally broke after 2 years of solid blackness. My experience was a little different, I was one of the last patients in the group but we each had private screened off areas and the treatment itself occurred behind closed doors. I would like to caution anyone reading the comments about any comment referring to treatments received in the 50s, 60s, or even 70's or 80's. Those were the days of lobotomies and unrefined ECT. Those horror stories are in the past and have very little to do with modern ECT. They don't help, they only create more stigma against this treatment and those who have received it. Yes I do suffer from memory loss both short and long term but I have learned to compensate for that. The truth is the stigma I have been subjected to by others about my ECT treatments have been more damaging to my mental health than any of the side effects of ECT.
How many treatments did you receive over the 3 months? I have had 13 bilateral treatments so far, and it seems like I'm just now starting to feel a little better. I was really worried that it wasn't going to work for me.
@@djhutcherson6761 I started with treatments 3 times a week for about 3 weeks then went to once a week then every two weeks then I stopped treatment, I was almost becoming manic (too happy and excited). I don't know the exact number of treatments but I didn't really feel much change until about a month in.
@@misterericsir how much long term memory did the procedure wipe out?
@@guillermodeleon6210 It's hard to say because some of the memory loss was probably due to my anxiety being so bad I couldn't form long term memories. If I had to guess I'd say around 2-3 years of time or things I don't remember well.
My previous comment made the assumption that you were in a comfortable waiting room. If they had you lined up in a row, this is unacceptable. Remembering the classic movie, there is one scene where the main character and Chief are sitting outside the ECT room. I know things have progressed with the procedure but still in all your privacy and perceived well-being should have been taken into account.
They are scrambling their neurons lol and I'm not sure how that helps except cause brain damage!!! Bunch of sadistic retards. I can't stand the quackery of psychology
I'm very greatful you can share this. You have honestly kept me from doing something stupid. I am very greatful for your courage
Hello Lauren, I hope I’m spelling your name right. I have a question for you.
When you are OFF medication and you have hallucinations or paranoia-are you aware it is the schizophrenia or schizo-affective disorder causing these symptoms?
I hope you understand my question.
Thank you.
M.
I am also curious about this.
I would too but I’d imagine the mental illness isn’t like taking a hallucinogen where you clearly know why you’re seeing things that aren’t really there.