4 Awful Christian Best-Sellers
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- In this episode, Trent reveals the heresies and dangers behind 4 best-selling Christian books.
Why the “prosperity Gospel” is bankrupt
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Should Catholics believe in the Rapture?
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
00:21 - Joel Osteen / Your Best Life Now
04:29 - I Kissed Dating Goodbye
09:04 - The Shack
11:25 - Left Behind - บันเทิง
Prosperity Gospel is basically a denial of the book of Job's canonicity.
But Job did get double his riches back after following the Lord through his trials
@@aidan4530 ha! you to funny. Sometimes in Job its better to not always think of yourself as Job in the story. I tend to think of myself as Jobs different friends.
How do I handle responded to failures and difficulties in others lives?
I hope and pray to learn from the example of Job's friends in how *not* to respond and rather how they are *not* true friends.
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He had no reason to expect it, but kept worshiping God nonetheless. Job was like the Whos in Whoville who didn’t bat an eye or even notice that their giant Christmas tree, and all their presents and decorations were gone. They were happy to celebrate regardless, because that’s what they would do anyway, and because it’s the right thing to do.
@@aidan4530he didn’t give expecting to get anything back
@@aidan4530 He even got new kids to replace his old ones.
Just imagine the martyrs quoting Olsteen’s words of wisdom while being killed.
Lutheran Satire made a video based on this very premise.
"You're living your best life right now!!"
This makes me cringe.
th-cam.com/video/KA_wWmVlypg/w-d-xo.html :)
yes, they quoted "On the day of judgement, the Theotokos will hand Christ the sword that cuts out your blaspheming tongue."
The fact that the cover for "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" is a guy tipping his fedora is so hilariously appropriate. 😂
I was looking for a comment about this 😂
I’m an evangelical, and it is amazing how many people in our churches take the Left Behind rapture view uncritically. It’s absorbed with their mother’s milk, and the writings of Lahaye and Hal Lindsey have influenced Protestants tremendously. I’m grateful for William Lane Craig’s criticism of this view and have since “left behind” the rapture position
Hal Lindsay made a lot of money off of his books. Especially "The Late Great Planet Earth." He laughed all the way to the bank.
Well said. When I was Protestant, this was the one eschatological view I frankly thought was wildly incorrect. I am not fully clear yet on the Catholic teachings, but it sounds either (a) amillennial or (b) post millennial..
@@JosephHewes-mm1bc reading "The Late Great Planet Earth" was the first step in the coming to faith of Dr.Michael Brown, a Messianic Jew, and many others in the seventies.
@@liljade53 Oh yes, he brought into the cult many people with that snake oil.
@@JosephHewes-mm1bc that "cult" made the western world, the free world. Would you rather live in a country with a system not based off the values put forth by the "cult"? Even Richard Dawkins said he is a cultural "cultist".
Trent, we're growing closer in friendship, and I need to be up front about my motives. With your sponsers permission, i want to explore the possibility of subscribing. Im not interested in playing the game of being your liker and commenter. Im ready to be tested by you, your followers, and those who are responsible for you. My desire is to win over the heart of others into the Catholic faith
Legendary comment
The Catholic faith is not Christianity.
@FleurPillager spoken like a true american.
@@FleurPillager lol
@@FleurPillagerI challenge you to do some serious historical research. If you do, you will find that the Catholic Church is the first, and original, Christianity.
When I was in high school, I had no idea I was so ahead of the curve by not dating.
Mission successfully failed
Fission mailed.
Never heard of these, and anything with Osteen's name is an immediate red flag.
There’s a hilarious meme that claims the quote "On the day of judgement the Theotokos will hand Christ the sword that cuts out your blaspheming tongue” as being from Joel Osteen, from the very same book you mentioned
Who’s it actually from?
@@WaywardTemplar1314 Certainly not from a prot considering in their eyes The Blessed Mother was just a woman who is dead. (May they repent for blaspheming our Queen Mother)
I have a hard time believing that Osteen would know a word such as Theotokos.
@@frisco61 which is why the joke is so funny
That's like the MemriTV memes
I was unfortunately taken in by Left Behind, but what eventually put that one to bed for me was the bit where Jesus says "If they persecute me, they will also persecute you. The servant is not greater than the master." It makes no sense that Christians would get any kind of get-out-of-suffering-free card.
Drug lord/politicians in my country must be surely blessed by God.
lol of course, so are the apostles who lived lavish and wealthy lives. oh wait 😅, never mind they were all executed.
@@Mattt5 Apostles lived lavish and wealthy lives?
@@allopez8563 brother i was being facetious. i agree with you and think that it is dangerous to think that the powerful in society are the most blessed by God.Jesus’ apostles were poor and did not receive worldly pleasures in return for their faith.
@@Mattt5 English is not my fist language I don't even live in an English speaking country, this is why many figures of speech are lost to me.
@@allopez8563 sorry . God bless 🙏
“You didn’t tithe enough to Joel” 😂
I grew up going to Josh Harris's church. I've seen many of my friends fall away from the faith in bitterness over the teachings in "I kissed Dating Goodbye". Please pray for Josh, he was always a kind man and I truly dont believe he wanted to cause people harm. I pray he and my old friends turn back to the Lord.
yeah, unfortunately their bitterness is justified. I'm one of them who struggles with a low-grade anger/bitterness/depression about the impacts of that guy's teachings, but thankfully without having fallen away from the faith. Blows my mind, though, that some young kid's book, about which he has no expertise, can have such an effect on complete strangers who were raised in churches that taught his ridiculous principles as the gospel truth. The amount of royally screwed up people he produced is staggering. There's no way of sugar-coating that truth.
@@maxspringer01I hear you on the depression stuff, man! Hang in there!
@@maxspringer01 It's a lot to do with how eloquent Harris is. He found a good title and wrote very striking imagery (such as the wedding scene at the start of the book). It's also that he was almost right. Starting out as friends and being purposeful when asking someone out is a good approach.
@@alfredjohnson2647 i didn't say that starting out as friends and being purposeful when asking someone out is a bad approach.
@@ShiloStigen Thank you! Same to you! I appreciate it!
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Same here, Abusha!
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Hello Abusha,
Me too.
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Jack
Greetings from Kenya ❤❤
Hi Abusha! Have a great week 😊
Whenever I’ve had health or financial struggles, it brought me closer to God-increased my faith. Life in the world isn’t supposed to be easy. We strive for eternal life in the next place.
How to describe _The Shack_ in three words: “That’s modalism, Patrick!”
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I was thrilled to see The Left Behind series on this list. As a Protestant converting to Catholicism, the entire Rapture ideology was something I had to unlearn. I know so many people who cling to the Left Behind series as if it were sacred Scripture itself.
Those books helped contribute to my mom’s mental breakdown. Ended up needing police assistance to get her to an institution. There were several other factors, but that series was the straw that broke the camel’s back. She thought the world was literally ending, and still does despite being mostly recovered.
I, too, was driven mad by such ideology. The same can be said of any End of Days paranoia. I am dealing with the consequences, still, and I need to remind myself that such thinking doesn't bring one closer to God. It only makes one paranoid and see demons around every corner and in everyone who disagrees with you.
Do Catholics not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture? I'm still protestant, but I dropped it a few decades ago. I'm in the undecided camp. If it happens, then great, but it seems to be a more novel Christian belief.
The whole "blessed hope" they cling to is that western Christians will never have to suffer persecution like others have throughout history and the world.
@@supernerd8067for that matter avidly watching the evening news on your TV set every night can drive you crazy.
The fact that Laura wasn't invited to the pope's meeting with comedians last week is shocking. Such an insult to our community. 😜
I agree, this is my last straw with the Pope 😡 😂 😂 😂 (just kidding)
It is a disgusting insult to faithful Catholics everywhere that Bergoglio (Archbishop Vigano refuses to call him Francis, so i will follow his example) saluted atheist pro-abortion wokeist maniacs like Whoopi Goldberg, while he has always obstinately refused to meet with faithful servant Cardinal Zen of Hong Kong (notwithstanding that Zen has previously travelled to see him!) to discuss the horrible damage the SECRET treaty--- the Vatican is utterly unwilling to release its terms--- between the Holy See and the CCP is inflicting on Catholics in mainland China. Unfriggingbelievable...
It is very sad to hear the author of "I kissed Dating Goodbye" no longer considers himself a Christian. 😞
Thats what happens eventually when the whole euphoria of being a emotional Christian without any substance wears off.
I grew up with him and it never sat right with my heart what he wrote
@@Christusregna Very little substance in most churches today particularly the ones featured on screens.
There’s a better alternative: “How to get a date worth keeping”, by Dr Henry Cloud, the author of the bestseller “Boundaries”. It’s been a game-changer for me.
I somehow avoided taking left behind seriously, but I’m convinced that “I kissed dating goodbye” wrecked marriage for a lot of my peers, myself included. I think most telling was a reunion for my campus ministry group where the former students (graduating before that book was published) were wondering why no one in the current group was dating as several of them had met their spouse in that student ministry. I can’t understate the pressure this put on young men in a church or Christian group. Essentially if you had been interested in a girl and nothing came of it, you were treated almost as a divorcee.
The M'lady fedora tip cover 9f the book + the context of his own dating life is hilarious
Loving the new thumbnails. Trent looks mentally exhausted from all the nonsense he has to refute. But he's doing a great job, this is one of my favorite channels.
My parents held I Kissed Dating Goodbye up as a model. With hindsight, I see exactly what it is, a book written by an young man with no life experience, a performing monkey groomed and trotted out on the speaking and writing circuit to pander to evangelical boomers, laundering the terrible advice by pretending it's the authentic voice of a youth.
I Kissed Dating Goodbye influences basically every college ministry to this day and makes it very difficult for natural relationships to come out of it.
exactly. I can't tell you how many screwed up people it has produced.
@@maxspringer01 it makes women too picky and men too shy to be men and flirt
Should you be moral and sexually pure while dating? Yeah. How that gets translated to talking to the opposite sex is a near unpardonable sin I have no idea.
Ugh, The Shack! Yes! So many Catholics I know have read and loved it, but it was SO BAD, syrupy, and just wrong.
I rather liked the shack. It sets some refreshingly different perspectives.
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Some people just don’t enjoy a good movie if it challenges anything they believe.
Ugh the Shack? How could you possibly not like that movie? You must be a hoot at parties. Debbie Downer 2.0
I read the book many years ago, I don't even remember the plot, I just remember that I hated it, it was saccharine and sentimental; At the time I was agnostic
@@user-fc2zb9po8t Hi :) I'm so uncool that I didn't even watch the movie, I only read the book and knew to stop there.
I watched this video to see if the book & movie I just bought was on the list. It is-The Shack. They will go straight to my give away pile! I’ve spent the last 40 years trying to learn about my Catholic faith & don’t need anything to confuse me! I really respect Trent & think he’s super intelligent & really knows his Catholicism. Thanks for saving me some time & confusion!
Giving a harmful and deceptive book to another person may not be the most prudent action.
Don't give that to anyone
Thanks. So it’s really that bad? I’ll take your advice. I would hate to lead someone astray. 💖✝
The trash is a better destination for that book and movie
Wow! Since when did getting different perspectives on life become a bad thing? This is why religion is dying. THIS EXACTLY.
I Kissed Dating Goodbye was super popular when I was in highschool 😭
I know the Harris's. I went to Greg Harris's church for years. This book was widely popular in that church obviously. Those churches were really bizarre and sadly many people who attended these churches either left the faith or got divorced or both
The author should have never titled his book 'Kissed'. That guy told people not to kiss anything! He was dating his own book, shame on him kissing dating!
"Hey, I have a crush on this girl and I think she likes me too."
"Wow, really? You better guard your heart, remember that dating is not Christian and you are a bit too young to be courting."
"I touched her hand when I said goodbye to her, I felt quite excited!"
"WHAT?! THIS IS DANGEROUS, SUCH GESTURES ARE RESERVED FOR YOUR FUTURE WIFE! YOU HAVE TO STOP SEEING HER IMMEDIATELY!!!"
Not an actual anecdote, but pretty close to what I saw with my Evangelical friends back in college. I was not a church goer back then, but for a bit I was seeing an Evangelical girl who attended a church that was huge into this thing. She even told me once "my cell leader told me I'm doing things with you that I have to save for my future husband."
Many years later I met a nice Catholic girl who I ended up marrying. When we were dating I saw she had a copy of IKDG on her bookshelf, I asked her about it, and she said a friend gave it to her but she never read it. We did go on one-on-one dates and exchanged affectionate gestured (including *gasp* kissing) so I'm sure she never did actually read the book lol. For that matter, I'm not in touch with her anymore but I heard nice Evangelical girl ended up marrying a guy from her church so all's well that end's well for everyone, thank God.
I love the new look and feel of Trent's videos. Great work to you and everyone involved. God bless❤
That "I kissed dating goodbye" book is so naive and ridiculous
Man, as a Nondenom coming into Catholicism... I'm realizing how much I thought I knew was bunk!!
Welcome home.
God bless your ministry, Trent!
I never read "I kissed dating goodbye" itself, but the ideas in it did influence me through other books for Catholic and general Christian kids/teens on dating advice/Christian birds and bees. One picture book called "The Princess and the Kiss" that heavily influenced me very directly told kids that the first kiss is something precious that should only be given away to the person you marry, akin to your virginity. Thanks to this and other advice like "don't date until after you've graduated college because relationship drama lowers grades" caused me to pass by the best opportunities to meet young women. Now I'm 28 and have only had short, fake relationships from Christian Dating apps that always result in ghosting.
Try reading "How to Get a Date Worth Keeping" by dr. Henry Cloud. That's how I ended up in a serious relationship with a wonderful Catholic guy 😊
Oh, and also, dr. Cloud's other book "Boundaries in Dating" adresses in depth the problems with "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" 🙌
@@Teresule Thank you very much for the recommendations. I'll have to check those out.
Be friends first. Then if there is a desire to go beyond that it can happen organically. If it does go beyond friends to dating just then be clear you mean to take her on a date.
That’s how I met my wife. It was good for me to be friends first. Not a one size fits all but neither of us were looking for a relationship we were just friends
@catholicguy1073 My understanding has been for years that once you try to move beyond friends, it ruins the friendship when it doesn't work out. You can't go back.
@@danielcharland1374 not the case. We didn’t become friends to date. It happened organically
If my joy was dependent on giving people money for empty promises I would go to a casino
I would love a video on the marvel character Daredevil and his Catholocism.
What about nightcrawler, the x-man? I think he lived in a monastery. He could teleport anywhere. His mother was… mystique I think
@femaleKCRoyalsFan yea he was also cannonically Catholic.
But the Daredevil Netflix show is relatively still recent and touches on interesting topics of justice. I get the impression that Trent is a bit of a geek and so he may like the deep dive
I'd like a comparison of what the pope says compared to what Jesus said.
You did not just say he had a 1.21 gigawatt smile! You're such a nerd, and I'm here for it!!
Great Scott!
The only power source capable of generating 1.21 gigawatts of electricity is a bolt of lightning!
This is heavy.
“There’s that word again! Heavy, heavy! Why are things so heavy in the future, is there something wrong with the Earth’s gravitational pull?”
Trent -looking forward to your talk at National Eucharist Conference in Indianapolis next month!
Looking forward to it, too.
Darby is 19th century, not 17th. But his weird ideas (“canonized” in the Scofield Bible) are really coming to the fore in the debates on the Gaza war. Even Catholics are unconsciously being drawn in.
I read "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" while at a non-denominational college, and it was ALL the rage. Making it worse was that I was one of very few Catholics at that school, and I was still open to the priesthood, so the attitude of that book was absolutely suffocating to me. I transferred to Franciscan University of Steubenville and concluded that the priesthood was not for me, but "discernment culture" and the narrow views in that book harmed my ability to initiate and be comfortable with romantic relationships.
How does it deviate from the gospels?
@@FleurPillager What do you mean by deviate from the Gospels? Do the Gospels at any time portray how to do dating? If someone wrote a terrible car repair manual what would matter was that it didn't work for many people, not that it deviated from the Bible's lack of info on car repair.
I didn't read the book myself, so I'm curious how it harmed your ability to initiate and be comfortable in relationships?
@@silassmith5348 I just want to know what specifically is wrong with that book compared to the words of Christ.
@@FleurPillager What words did Christ speak about dating that we are comparing the book to?
I went to Benedictine. There definitely was the air of "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" there. I think the absolutely moronic and heretical ideas in that book are part of the reason why I struggled so much with dating when I was there. I hated that I'd feel attracted to a girl, I felt sinful for it. I had two classmates who were boyfriend and girlfriend all throughout high school but they broke up before coming to BC because they thought people didn't date there.
It wasn't until many years later that I learned just how few people there had read the book, but the damage was clearly done.
I Kissed Dating Goodbye is EVIL.
Absolutely true. Made me feel like just having attractions at all was some filthy repulsive thing. Oh to be able to turn back time and redo it again knowing what a load of garbage that book was.
That speech would have every girl running away from you. If someone approached me with that, even someone I'd be willing to go a date with, I'd run for the hills.
Like you can't just pick me as a prospective marriage partner without growing with me first. You decide your serious about this friend, and then your plan is to announce to her "I'm really serious about you" before your first date? That little speech is practically a proposal.
I'm so out of the loop about that dating book, and it seems to be the one people are talking about most. I somehow don't even remember it, even though I'm likely older than Trent. Funny, I read a lot of Christian books back then. I sure do remember, Hal Lindsey's, "The Late Great Planet Earth", and most Christians would have heard of, "The Cross and the Switchblade", by David Wilkerson. Terrific testimony, that I think most Catholics would enjoy too. It was also made into a movie. Very dated now, from the 70's I think.
Trent Horn said Lakewood Church used to be a stadium called the Compact Center.
If you're an Old Skool Houstonian, you will call it the Summit.
The Summit is a sick name
Kind of reminds me of when I went to NCYC last fall and we had Mass in the Lucas Oil Stadium
The hilarity that starts at 6:16 When you put it that way, Trent, it shows how absurd the notion of that book is.
Joshua Harris father ( Greg ) was a pioneer in the HomeSchool movement. He convinced my wife and I to homeschool back in the 80s . Joshua became a mega church pastor. Stepped down , divorced his wife, "deconstructed ", became an atheist and huge LBTQ supporter.
I hope homeschooling worked well for you, your wife and your children. I so hope because I was homeschooled for most of my life and I think it did me a lot of good even though I eventually had a few big problems it couldn't help me solve. I was sad to read Joshua Harris left the faith after his father Greg Harris left what I hope was a good legacy for the homeschooling movement.
Thank you , yes it worked well . My wife and I were high school dropouts from the inner city . I have one son who's a lawyer , 2 sons with multiple masters degrees entering in Phd programs, a daughter who's a teacher, and one son who is an entrepreneur. Most importantly, all 5 of our children love the Lord ! And we will be celebrating 39 years of marriage this year and expecting our 13th and 14th grandchild.
@@bluecollarcatholic8173 Oh cool😎! I'm so glad for you, your wife, and your children, and then grand children!
Greg Harris also wrote “Evidence That Demands A Verdict”, which was basically a dictionary of all the evidence *for* Christianity being true. Really, really sad about his son.
@@glotree Josh McDowell wrote that book.
Love your channel, Trent!
One more I'd add to this is the Prayer of Jabez.
The book The Prayer of Jabez was the last straw for me in the Protestant world. I didn’t have the emotional energy for ONE MORE AMAZING BOOK!!!!🙌🙌🙌😆😆😆🙌🙌🙌. I wanted something with depth and maturity that would transcend my cultural perspective. Thank God (and Our Lady) for drawing me into the fullness of Truth.
I'm glad to see "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" on this list, but the one that made the rounds when I was in college was "When God Writes Your Love Story." It seems like the takeaway was to not pursue any sort of romantic relationship and then one day you will meet someone and God will let you know they're your spouse. Like "I Kissed Dating Goodbye," I remember it saying that everything (any physical contact, romantic feelings) should be saved for this one person. (Granted, I stopped reading it, so this might just be my memory.) This attitude was popular among my Protestant friends, but I also could see some influence among Catholic friends as well.
I read both. As a naive teenager I was convinced that if I had a relationship before marriage I'd be broken and unable to love my wife fully.
Of course, I didn't get married to my college girlfriend, and it wrecked me for years. It makes sense: why get over your hurts if you think it's impossible? Why open your heart to someone new if a piece of it belongs to your ex?
I wish I could give 19 year old me a hug. He suffered a lot thanks to those guys. I'd tell him, you're not broken, hurt. Like Uhura told Wesley Crusher in TNG, you'll never feel the same about someone else, but you will love someone else in their own way.
and you can give your entire heart to someone new. That's not how people works.
8:00 Bro, I dated a girl in high school after that book came out and she wouldn't even hold my hand or hug me. It was horrible
I heard the writer of that book came out saying he was in error
I'm glad I wasn't ever in a context that was super influenced by I Kissed Dating Goodbye, though I can still detect some influence from that book when I talk to some individual Christian women.
Richard Rohr’s “The Universal Christ” should be number 1 on your list.
I think he has covered it in another episode.
So much false doctrine both in the churches and online.
@@aceraphael good to know. While I agree with Trent’s list, the problem I have is some of the books are no longer relevant. Rohr continues to deceive and Catholics are not immune. Rohr is a priest.
@@jimup yep
Richard Rohr is a gay heretic.
I feel like the thumbnail has Trent rizzing me up
My days as an evangelical protestant can be described as gray. I was taken in by the Left Behind books. Soon I bought in the OSAS and found myself not thinking about sin and not knowing what sin is. After 11 years I found myself with no faith. I thank God I returned to my Catholic faith.
Very well said. Appreciate this. Thanks, Trent!
Osteen's prosperity nonsense is very convenient to make him look like the most Godly of us all with his ever increasing wealth. He must be doing EVERYTHING right according to his book!
Love the still of this episode ! So funny!! Great updates for the show.
Also has anyone else said this? Trent’s new picture reminds me so much of Monk!
I don’t know anything about that book ‘kissed dating goodbye’ nor did I grow up in the states to know how people acted due to the book. But as a Catholic from middle eastern decent I did follow my own cultural customs with my husband when it came to finding love, nurturing love and marriage. We did not date. My husband did go through my parents to get to know me better and we did not go out alone until we were officially engaged. We also decided to save kissing till marriage. Sorry Trent but I think this is a first of me disagreeing with you. Societies everywhere had these customs including in the west. Dating phenomenon is a very modern concept that has not resulted in better marriages nor love stories. Societies has always functioned with rules and guidelines of how to behave to protect both men and women. The harm it caused is because if you are the only people following the rules it won’t really work. It worked for my husband and I because we come from the same ethnic and cultural background. And I can tell you those from my culture that became more westernized and rejected these customs are either divorced or still single. All I can say is that my husband and I have been very in love and very happily married for the past 9 years with 5 beautiful children. Everything we did was indeed worth it and pure.
Really appreciate this beautiful comment, thanks for sharing!
You probably experienced some romantic feelings for your husband before you got married, yes?
@@mrscharmless why would you think I didn’t have romantic feelings? Why would I marry my husband if I didn’t love him?
@alqoshgirl Because the book in itself discourages that.
@@mrscharmlessShe noted she hasn’t read the book. From what I recall what you’re pointing out wasn’t really said in what either Trent or the other negative comments said. I agree with you’re saying though, you can have romantic feelings while you are discerning marriage with another person. Haven’t fully made up my mind, but I might disagree that it’s good to try to fan the sparks of romance into flames when both parties aren’t seriously in a place within themselves and with each other where they are discerning marriage.
The Fedora book cover on "I kissed dating goodbye" is extremely fitting considering the material inside 🤣
It went to Lakewood Church growing up when it was just in 7000 capacity. I gave my entire life savings hoping I wouldn’t be depressed anymore.
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Trent, I'd like to hear your take on Rob Bell. I was really into his work in my Protestant years, particularly the concept of universal salvation promoted in Love Wins. His work eventually became more about promoting liberal politics than Christianity. Thankfully I wised up and became Catholic in 2022. I haven't yet met a Catholic who has even heard of him, but he was extremely popular in Protestant circles.
Yeah I read his book Blue Like Jazz, it was ok, I definitely could detect that he was less than orthodox in his theology but he couched everything as though he was just trying to figure things out and didn’t draw any definitive lines. So it was squishy.
I quickly realized all of those “emerging church” guys were a bit disingenuous, they were just old school theological liberals repackaged with hipster glasses and jeans pretending they were “just seeking the truth man”.
Eventually the masks fell off and it became obvious that there was nothing new here, just good old fashioned liberal theology, aka unbelief.
Like you said it became obvious when they would rant about politics, they were all uniformly leftist. I partly wonder if the whole thing was a psy-op…who knows.
Ha! Of course this guy would call Rob Bell and Universal Reconciliation a heresy. Anything that doesn’t line up with his view of course.
So much of my family loves the shack. I hated it.
Not that anyone of us truly understands the Trinity. But for those who have a grasp on what the Trinity is, a movie like the Shack will be absolute torture.
This statement is on point. I get a bad feeling just listening to the plot.
My mother described her dating life in the 40s as basically never going out with the same guy twice in a row, keep it always on a friendly level, and don't get serious (and definitely don't get physical!). But then she planned to be a contemplative nun when she graduated. She was a beauty and had a lot of admirers, including my father, who was heartbroken when she entered the convent. He went off to get wounded twice in battle in Korea and credited the prayers of the nuns for surviving. My mother discerned out of the convent before taking final vows and when my father heard the news, he went AWOL from the base (having recently returned from Asia) and drove three hours to see her. Nothing was going to hold him back from the woman he loved! He was very romantic and swept her off her feet. We can learn a lot from the older generation about love and relationships.
How about “Late Great Planet Earth” by Hal Lindsey? Or anything by Benny Hinn?
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Great video as always Trent. I would love to hear your thoughts on the new Papal Study Document 'The Bishop of Rome'. It is pretty confusing to me as a lay Catholic.
Trent, this was a great video! Would love to see more like it. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
More to come! -Vanessa
I too was affirmed by the book I Kissed Dating Goodbye when I was a teenager, and tried to follow this in my courtship with my now wife. It helped me personally in my journey. It may not be realistic or was not helpful to other people, but it did help me and helped change my life. I’m still a Catholic and a believer and I currently have a healthy family life.
That’s good to hear, thanks for speaking up. I haven’t read the book, but it all sounds common sense and virtue-based, at least as presented. Trying to understand why it is being condemned in case I’m missing something.
Loving the new thumbnails!!!
Jesus Calling, Battlefield of the mind, and the Purpose-Driven Life are a few others you might want to cover if you do this again.
I recently went to a wedding where the couple not only waited to kiss, but they had not even held hands - they had absolutely no physical conduct till the wedding ceremony. I had never seen that before. In one of the bridesmaids speeches, they said “this is how it used to be and how it should be.” No context was given and it was confusing to me.
Whenever a Protestant/or Nondenominational big-name person writes any type of self-help book, usually within 10-15 years they become an Atheist. Same thing with a fair number of Christian bands such as Hawk Nelson.
See, what you now need to do a video on is good Catholic/christian books and novels!
Some of my favoritee Catholic-centered novels are A Canticle for Leibowitz, Jennifer the Damned by Katherine Ullo, Eifelheim by Michael Flynn.
Need to read Lord of the World, Diary of a Country Priest as well as the works of Flannery O’Connor.
Recently enjoyed Ad Limina by Cy Kellett, and currently reading Our Lady of the Artilects by Andrew Gillsmith
Thank you for the suggestion! -Vanessa
Benny Hinn "Good Morning Holy Spirit" was fairly ropey.
Hey, I've binge watched many of your videos this weekend. I'm a protestant, but as a kid, I was baptized and did my first communion. I want to go and talk to someone, but that church says online it is Jesuit, and they are having a pride mass later this week. So, should I go check out a different church? Or is there something I'm missing? Thank you
Skip the pride Mass for sure but please persevere in looking for an authentic Catholic church and forum for meeting people.
Yes, try to find a different Church. This church should be reported to their bishop. God bless you, friend!
This is possibly an unpopular opinion but... Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers. 1) it was basically erotica at times 2) i was very uncomfortable with the fact that the main girl was essentially forced into a marriage she didn't ask for and then chastised when she wasnt interested in having sex with her husband. And when they finally do, he basically forces her to do that too. But it's meant to be romantic because he saved her from her crappy life? There was some good in it, but overall i was left feeling a bit gross after reading it and it had been suggested to me by quite a few christian women who are serious about their faith.
Certain Bible stories don’t translate to western culture very well. Redeeming Love is the book of Hosea set in the American West.
But I can top redeeming love inappropriate western adaptation… I once read a book that was Jacob, Leah, and Rachel set in 19th century Scotland. Figure out how you pull that one off…
That first Left Behind movie rivals gangster rap for unintentional comedy.
I never read "The Purpose Driven Life" even though it was wildly popular in the mid-2000's. What's your take on that? I know it was also written by evangelical Protestant mega-church pastor.
I tried reading it twice but could never finish it. I just could not understand its appeal.
Typical Protestant fluff.
My dad read it. Threw it away because he said it preached universalism.
It's more mindset-practice false Christianity to make money for crooks.
A trusted Catholic friend raved about the Shack and gave it to me to read. I was pretty absorbed in it until God the Father was presented as a black woman. I was jerked immediately by the realization that this book toys with redefining the Holy Trinity. And all credibility went out the window. I did not finish the book. I could not entertain the heresy and blasphemy. This book should have never captured the Christian heart.
As for Harris, I am sorry for it because I think he was sincerely looking for a better way - increasing respect and chastity. Our society’s model of dating should not be without question. My own husband comes from a culture where arranged marriages are still the norm and I have witnessed many happy unions following that route. While not necessarily advocating that system, as Christians we do need to carefully protect heads, hearts and chastity while pursuing relationships with the opposite sex.
I come from a culture that still has significant numbers of arranged marriages. Do you know what MUST go along with this culture for arranged marriages to work?
The culture MUST enforce a heavy resistance to divorce.
In the west, everyone including the modern Christian thinks of divorce as a life jacket and they have it in their back pocket going into any marriage.
@@alisterrebelo9013 I agree with you. We simply don’t believe in divorce.
All of Luisa Piccarretta's writings on the Divine Will
Great video Trent. Thank you and God bless🙏
Very welcome! -Vanessa
Thank you so much. Was very helpful!
Hey Trent, can you elaborate on the distinction between the Trinity being three distinct persons vs three separate persons? Thanks
I think you're over protesting Osteen. I have some of his books including the one in question, and he basically teaches how to have positve mindset and to guard your thoughts because your thoughts control your emotions and your actions. He provides practical applications on how to live. It is not meant to be a theological dissertation. My cousin lived in Texas for awhile and attended his church a few times. She said Osteen is used as the draw. But they do have other pastors there and teach bible studies.
I'm loving the video quality and edits! Everything looks great!
Yay! Thank you! -Vanessa
Love the editing and the new studio!
TQ Trent for speaking truth. And doing it in the most concise way! Your below-20 minute videos are easy to listen.
Joshua Harris' story was so sad and I hope he can find Jesus in the Catholic Church. (Same for the rest). I liked one book of his, "Sex is not the Problem, Lust is"
Thank you for the feedback! -Vanessa
I read "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" 20 years ago and really thought it was great. To me, it was a good book combating hook-up culture that helped refocus what the purpose of a dating is for. It also introduced to me the idea of courting vs dating which I found very helpful. That being said, I also read it in light of taking what makes sense to me and disregarding what I know is too rigid or over the top. A lot of what Trent read from the book I don't necessarily disagree with. In a perfect world, what Joshua suggests maybe is good, but that isn't how people are in real life. It is maybe the ideal, but not realistic. It has a lot of good stories and solid advice, but you have to have some level of discernment.
Thank you for sharing your insights, David! -Vanessa
This is a good list, but I wish you would have said more about the Kissing Dating Goodbye book. It wasn’t clear to me why the principles in the book were bad or how they harmed people. I don’t know the book, but it sounded pretty sound to me, so if that’s a bad approach, I’d like to know why before I make mistakes guiding my own children.
I am not sure if this would count as a bestseller. But I heard terrible things about this book by independent Baptists Michael and Debi Pearl, titled "To Train Up a Child". It was infamous for promoting very abusive practices in the name of Christianity and allegedly even contributing to several high profile deaths.
Thank you for the suggestions! -Vanessa
I'm amazed that the book called I Kissed Dating Goodbye has a guy tipping his fedora on the front
Milady. 😂
Christ is King.
Great Scott! You nailed them all!
I wish that Trent, when explaining arsenokoitai, instead of saying “man-bedders and softees” would instead just say “cruisers and twinks”
It’s pretty much a perfect modern English equivalent to the two Greek terms, and more apt because it gets the point across even stronger. Paul is clearly referring to cruisers and twinks.
(neither of which denote inherent exploitation either)
Trent, I’ve been watching/listening to your podcast since it first began. I’m very grateful to you for your common sense approach. I’m more grateful to you for your speaking the truth without compromise, you are an instrument of God’s knowledge for us simple folk.
On another note, I think the turn to a more formal looking podcast is a great move. That is not to say that you have not been formal or anything like that. Rather, it is to say that I simply appreciate the new look.
This channel is becoming so professional. Damn.
Thank you so much! -Vanessa
Loved this! Keep going! ❤️💙
Thank you so much!! -Vanessa
Everything is looking so cool. Well done team. 👏 I'm sure Ferris thinks the same
Thank you so much! -Vanessa
I kissed dating goodbye is the reddit white knight book
Great video, Trent. Very concisely and thoughtfully handled.
Mr Horn, As a former protestant I am very familiar with the Rapture doctrine I have read the first book of the Left Behind series and considered it to be alarmist nonsense. Thank you for your good work
That line at the end about the left behind movies was hilarious. I’m sure it went over a lot of heads.
Great job Trent! Thank you!
Thank you for your support!-Vanessa
I like this. More please + good ones . Thank you Trent team
Idk, man. Maybe my life didn't went as good as it could, because I didn't tithe to Copeland and got Creflo Dollar his jet.