The reason why this works for Japan is that the Japanese travel with no luggage. It is all handled by a luggage service called the Takkyubin, you drop off your luggage at your local 7/11 the day before you travel and it will be waiting for you when you get to the hotel. Japan can turn around these high capacity planes in a fraction of the time that any other country can because of this.
oh wow the local usa 7/11 stores will have baggage looted when u enter their stores u often feel like u owe the worker more cuz they get paid 7.25 an hour which is breadcrmbs
I’m Japanese but never ever heard that service 😂 (Of course I know Takkyubin, which is in general a couturier service like UPS and FedEx). There might be such a service, sending your bags to your hotel rooms but majority of people don’t use it. Especially, for domestic travel, we bring some luggage on plane.
Yes, I know about the 747-400D as in 2001 - 2003, I was the lead project manager for Boeing that converted four ANA in-service 747-400 intercontinental's to the domestic configuration, or as we called it the "I2D" project. It was a huge modification effort with new seats, lavatories, IFE, galleys, removing winglets and reworking the wing extension and many other changes as I've forgotten details in the past almost 20-years. The touch labor was all done at the former Boeing Wichita Development Center (WDMC).
@@aashi6517 and why would that be? maybe Eric never needed to create account and comment on youtube until he came across this video and felt the need to share his story with youtubers..
@@aashi6517 Why do you think so? Why would an old account make you any more believable? Especially in a case like this where he could simply tell a fake story on no matter which account as the account name just doesn‘t matter. Why would he need to create a new account in order to post a comment like this if the story was fake? Your accusation doesn‘t make any sense at all. You‘re just blindly hating.
I remember hearing or reading that the landing gears on 400Ds were modified to handle more cycles than standard 400s. Typical flying time in Japan is 1-2 hours, they can have 6+ legs on a busy day.
Yeah I thought the same. I guess the difference to look at besides the missing winglets is the extra windows on the upper deck. Definitely a very interesting fact!
They're sort of hard to tell apart from looking alone indeed, I was gonna say the engines are one thing to look at but... can't really tell 'em apart at all
Yes, it's a sad thing. In 2012 I flew on a British Airways B747-400 from Nassau to London I didn't even realize it was a special event (yes I was 5 at the time and now I'm 14)
By adding more weight in passengers, i.e. more seats, the fuel load was likely reduced as compensation. If you dont require the range, carry less fuel as a way to increase cargo capacity, shorten take off and landings lengths ( which means airports with shorter runways can be used. ). A lighter plane also burns less fuel$$$ If you install fewer fuel tanks. ( even an empty fuel tank weighs something), You save even more weight. Plus you save weight of additional fuel pumps, valves, and piping! Saved weight of not installing all the tanks can offset weight of the increased number of seats, and reduce operating costs.
@@dave8599 I initially guessed a smaller fuel tank, I am guessing again that would be much less weight that winglets. But smaller tanks would make conversion to long haul quite the effort (guessing once again).
A long time ago, maybe 25 years ago, I flew a high density 747 from Korean Air round trip from Seoul to Cheju. I don't know where this came from. All sardine can economy seats which seemed smaller than the ones on typical -400s including in the hump. Korean air generally didn't fly -300 or -200 so I would guess it would have been a 747D purchased from Japan. Does anyone know where you can find information on this?
Not covered in video but JAL also operated 747-300SR. I flew one of them from Tokyo to Okinawa. Those were produced in late 1988-1989, so the lavatory interior was quite similar to 747-400 with no vacuum flush.
Wish you guys had gone into the cultural and geographic market forces that creates this unique demand in Japan for short-range, high-capacity widebodies.
I've always been suprised by the super-high density short haul sector in Japan. Given the incredible penetration of high speed rail on most key corridors, I'm amazed the airlines managed to retain enough market share to make it work. In Europe, when a new HSR corridor opens, air demand on that route pretty much evaporates within a year or two (thinking of Paris-Marseille / Paris-Brussels / Madrid-Seville / Madrid-Barcelona etc).
There are a few city pairs that are just far enough apart for air travel to remain attractive. And Sapporo isn't yet connected to the high speed network (and Okinawa can't be). Many routes that are now covered by high speed rail have seen a collapse of air travel.
There are a lot of short flights in eastern Asia that use very large planes. JAL uses their 767s for short domestic flights within Japan whereas flights in the US would typically use a E-jet or some regional jet for that. JAL and ANA also use their 777-200(ER)s for short flights to China whereas flights in the US would use a 737 or A320 for a flight that length. It is mainly their 777-300ERs, 787s, etc that are used for longer flights but even those can be used as oversized regional jets for flights between populated areas in Asia!
Flew from Fukuoka to Haneda on a Friday evening, with many businessmen returning to Tokyo for the weekend. The crew suggested I boarded first and sat me at an entrance. Lost count of the hundreds who boarded the flight, but still remember the experience these many years later
Flew on the 747-400 with Lufthansa and the 400 Combi with KLM. Sadly did not have the chance to fly on the 747-400 for Saudia which was nice of you to use in your video :-)
I knew about the 747 400D thanks to the game called Airline Tycoon Deluxe :D I used it on high demand but low distance routes (obviously, that's what it's intended for) but in Europe, London - Berlin and back, and Berlin - Moscow and back. Never knew it was only for the Japanese tho
I never flew one but I knew of them. The only domestic flight I’ve taken in Japan was on a 737. ANA seems to know what flights have a lot of foreigners. I heard bilingual announcements before I passed out in my seat bound for Fukuoka.
Hi guys! Ive got a question. When i was a kid (6 years), i remember seeing a 747 with engine number 1 and 4 being smaller compared to the inter engines (number 2 and 3). Was i wrong in what i saw or theres a version of the 747 with this engine configuration?
The only goofy 747 engine install I am aware of are when the 747 is used as an engine test plane. But I have only seen that done with one odd engine, the other three being the standard engine. I saw this at Tucson AZ airport a few years ago. An engine company was using a 747 as a test plane, there was one very large engine and three normal engines. I think it was testing the latest Rolls Royce giant engine for the 787 or something. The 747 can also carry a fifth engine on an inboard fifth pylon. This is used for transporting engines to various airports, as the engine is too big to fit thru the standard cargo door, so it is carried under the wing, This engine is not operable, it is strictly cargo. All the regular 747s as far as I know carry four of the same type engines, thats how Boeing made them.
Both answers are accurate, perspective, one of the 3 major engine manufacturers 747 test beds (only one engine is different, all of them did use the 747 as inflight testings for new engines), or the 5th inoperative engine for ferry between #2 and wing root. I'll just add a non flying mock up of a modified 747-200, N88892, at Dunsfold airport (EGTG) around 2006-2007 with two fictive side-by-side dual engines mounted on engine pylon #2 and #3 (the innermost engines on a regular 747), and mock up fuel tanks on pylons #1 and #4 (outermost), much thinner (and longer). It appeared this grounded aircraft was used as a basis for a fictive rendition of a super double decker jumbo in one of the James Bond movie (the Skyfleet S570 in Casino Royale), but it barely looks like a 747 in the movie. That modified aircraft was permanently grounded/stored at the aerodrome and the engine mockups were actually not engines at all, but it was an odd looking design, and quite convincing for the general public. Reality is, this engine configuration has been abandoned in the 80s because you get a double failure when one fails (avoid mounting them side-by-side at all costs), and the classic 747-200 pylon is not designed to bear the loads of two engines mounted that way (remember, they are designed to snap and fall from the pylon if they vibrate too much, this to save the wings and prevent a critical inflight broke up. All planes can glide, a falling engine is actually a safety feature) That's the closest I know of to your description, but that doesn't mean you spotted that very unique frame. I just thought maybe you spotted it far away in the blink of an eye, on a Top Gear event perhaps, but 2007 is not that far away, if you were 6 at that time, that means you're 20 in 2021, but you sounded as it was back in the 80s... Just have a look, type "James Bond Boeing 747" or "Topgear Boeing" in google image to confirm or rule out the hypothesis.
I flew a 60 minute flight from Chiangmai to Bangkok a few years ago on a 747 with Thai Airways which I thought was very unusual. I didn’t think they did short haul domestic routes!
It’s a short turnaround flight to maximize usage that TG usually deploy to both Chiangmai and Phuket If I remember correctly they also use to deploy other international configured 777’s A340’s and A330’s (those that have lie flat Biz class) too
@Simple Flying Coming from a previous video you’ve recorded, your recording volume has been very inconsistent. But I love the videos you make about planes. Compare this video with to “Why doesn’t the Boeing 777 have four engines like the A340?”. You’ll see a stark difference in sound volume.
I knew that there were domestic 747 aircraft in Japan, but I never got to fly on one. I did fly on what I think was a JAL 777 configured for domestic flights, in this case between Sapporo and Tokyo Haneda. It could be worth a video on other domestic versions of wide body aircraft. In the USA, I flew on domestic versions of the L1011 and MD11.
I live in London, and in the 80s I used to work in Paris. Several times I used either the BA or Air France shuttle service between Heathrow and CDG. This was a 747. Would this have been a short haul version? After the Eurostar service started, I stopped flying short haul to Europe, as the train is as fast, and much more comfortable!
Some Domestic Routes in Japan have very high demand, so It's better to use larger planes instead of smaller one to accomodate more Passengers. Also, the D means Domestic. It refers the plane's usage which only used on Domestic routes in Japan.
May I just point out the usual misconception of winglet opposition between 400D and 400 ? The 400D wingtip is not just a matter of removing winglets from a 400 wing and brag about "it is not efficient to have winglets because the aircraft rarely reaches the altitude for cruise" to justify the point. 747-400D wings are directly derived from 747 classics wings with less fuel tanks, thus, they are narrower than the extended 747-400 wings at the wingtips, not the other way around. The 400D lacks the outermost (6th) leading edge flaps on the last section of the wing the -400s and -8s have, and there are accuator differences between the variants. The only relevant things they have in common with -400s are the refined aerodynamic wingroot and the engine pylons (and engines obviously). When you say "removed winglets (from a -400 wing), there is only 2 cases and a half : - the Boeing 747-400LCF, wich indeed rarely reaches cruising altitude for most Boeing inter-plant hops, only when they are chartered for other custommers they do cruise. - some very rare occurence of damaged winglets where the -400 aircraft gets special clearance to fly without winglet on one side. - I'm however aware of one 747-400D airframe (probably a few others) that has been in its lifetime factory assembled as a -400D, then modified as a -400 with wingtip extensions and winglets, then modified again as a -400D later on by removing the winglets AND the wingtip extensions (along with other modifications). If a lambda 747-400 were to be modifed to become a -400D, there are much more work to do on the wingtip than just removing the winglets. This is not a rant, this is to explain why you can't just get a 400D out of a 400 as if it was that simple. Note aswell that the few last assembled 747-200B, -200F and -300 do have some -400 features, such as the new wing root, refined vertical stabilizer, or 2-pilots/no engineer flight crew. Wanna look for odd 747 breeds in the civilian side : - the classic -400 mutants 747 I just mentionned - pre -300 standardization of -200SUD (stretched upper deck), the KLM ones, which are basically modified -200s, not designed from the start to have that longer upper deck - the very rare 747-300s equipped with -400 engines (GE CF6-80), with or without new wing roots - the eight 747-200B/F/SCDs airframes equipped with the very rare PW JT9-D 70A engines (and the main cause of their demise due to lack of spare parts from 2000 onwards) - the Aviation Parthners Inc wingleted Experimental 747-200F lended by FedEx (also one of the 8 with JT9-D 70A), though never flown as commercial, only for testings, and the largest winglet ever built, but failed to meet the requirements and almost caused an inflight catastrophic failure on the last test flight. There are other rare and obscure 747s on the military/private/government/special purpose side. Yeah yeah, the VC25A is pretty common, but ever heard of some iranian 747-200 with flying boom carrying passengers between Teheran and the world (Europe mainly) on regular flights for several years....?
@@WNDWSTIDN The weight gain is annihilated by the gain in lift and reduction in drag and winglets reduce fuel burn at every flight no matter how low slow or short.
Well I've flown alot over the years. The last time I flew on a 747 was to go to Mexico. Don't know if that was a 400 series or not. It was at least 30 years ago. We also went to other parts of America which I'm sure it was a 747, but I was really young.
It was successful at the times of the economic boom (or bubble as they call it) were the majority of the passengers are traveling domestically for business mostly on same day return thus little to no luggage, and airlines were competing with bullet trains. Even when travelling for 2 or 3 days they prefer a carry on luggage.
0:35 to 0:49, that plane JA8119, which operated as Japan Airlines Flight 123, crashed at Mount Osutaka on August 12, 1985 after explosive decompression of rear bulkhead since after tailstrike incident on 1978. 520 of the 524 people onboard are killed. Only four people miraculously survives, all female and Japan nationality.
Winglets aren’t too effective on short flights, which is why it was decided to ditch them on the 747-400D! Otherwise it’s just a 747-400 which already itself looks a lot like the 747-300
The reason why this works for Japan is that the Japanese travel with no luggage. It is all handled by a luggage service called the Takkyubin, you drop off your luggage at your local 7/11 the day before you travel and it will be waiting for you when you get to the hotel. Japan can turn around these high capacity planes in a fraction of the time that any other country can because of this.
interesting
Something I've thought should be a thing in Europe 😀
oh wow the local usa 7/11 stores will have baggage looted when u enter their stores u often feel like u owe the worker more cuz they get paid 7.25 an hour which is breadcrmbs
I’m Japanese but never ever heard that service 😂 (Of course I know Takkyubin, which is in general a couturier service like UPS and FedEx).
There might be such a service, sending your bags to your hotel rooms but majority of people don’t use it. Especially, for domestic travel, we bring some luggage on plane.
Amazing
Yes, I know about the 747-400D as in 2001 - 2003, I was the lead project manager for Boeing that converted four ANA in-service 747-400 intercontinental's to the domestic configuration, or as we called it the "I2D" project. It was a huge modification effort with new seats, lavatories, IFE, galleys, removing winglets and reworking the wing extension and many other changes as I've forgotten details in the past almost 20-years. The touch labor was all done at the former Boeing Wichita Development Center (WDMC).
That sounds amazing, Eric! Thanks for sharing with us.
Account made 2 days ago so I find this to be probably fake
@@aashi6517 and why would that be? maybe Eric never needed to create account and comment on youtube until he came across this video and felt the need to share his story with youtubers..
@@hudziszeq well it doesn’t look real that’s what am saying
@@aashi6517 Why do you think so? Why would an old account make you any more believable? Especially in a case like this where he could simply tell a fake story on no matter which account as the account name just doesn‘t matter. Why would he need to create a new account in order to post a comment like this if the story was fake?
Your accusation doesn‘t make any sense at all. You‘re just blindly hating.
I remember hearing or reading that the landing gears on 400Ds were modified to handle more cycles than standard 400s. Typical flying time in Japan is 1-2 hours, they can have 6+ legs on a busy day.
Flew several times! It was quite popular among major routes like Sapporo and Okinawa
Very interesting . Never knew about a Boeing 747 -400 D . I thought it was the 747-300 series .
That was a different one and not very popular. More of a 200 with an extended hump as opposed to a 400 without winglets 😉
1 of the 19 400D'S was involved in a near mid air collision. Flying as JAL 907.
Yeah I thought the same. I guess the difference to look at besides the missing winglets is the extra windows on the upper deck. Definitely a very interesting fact!
They're sort of hard to tell apart from looking alone indeed, I was gonna say the engines are one thing to look at but... can't really tell 'em apart at all
Same
The aircraft at 0:38 is the exact plane that crashed into Mount Takamagahara in 1985 as JAL 123.
R.I.P
I can tell because JAL123’s registration was JA8119, and the photo here has the registration JA8119.
It would be good if you made a video on the 747-400M of KLM?
0:35 that’s the picture of the JAL 123 (JA8119) that crashed on August 12th 1985
Rest in Peace victims of JAL 123
Yes :(
2:17 i wish more airlines painted their planes like Pokemon
EDIT: In my opinion, it would be less cool.
Original: It would be less cool.
I've always thought Pokemon is very overrated
Westjet has a 2 DIsney themed planes. One general and one Frozen themed
Imagine there were some ANA paint schemes of Nintendo games like Mario, Kirby, Legend of Zelda, Animal Crossing, and others.
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet that would be so cool
Thanks for making this one! It always amuses me when people mistake -400Ds for -300s.
Didn’t knew about the 400-D, but always wanted to fly in a 747 SP
Had no idea it existed. Thanks for the info!
i can't believe that the 747 is going to be out of production :(
Yes, it's a sad thing.
In 2012 I flew on a British Airways B747-400 from Nassau to London I didn't even realize it was a special event (yes I was 5 at the time and now I'm 14)
Now if they just kill the 737...
@@titan9259 I flew on a british airways 747 in 2012 as well from London to seattle when we moved. I was 4 at the time
At least there's the freighter and converted freighter versions. :/
@@everettrailfan and Luthansa's 747-800s, a few of them are out these days. Korean Air has some too, but they are stuck on the ground since March.
As far as I remember the -400D had a simpler flap configuration, saving additional weight
It must be more than just the winglets that decrease the range by 50%.
By adding more weight in passengers, i.e. more seats, the fuel load was likely reduced as compensation.
If you dont require the range, carry less fuel as a way to increase cargo capacity, shorten take off and landings lengths ( which means airports with shorter runways can be used. ). A lighter plane also burns less fuel$$$
If you install fewer fuel tanks. ( even an empty fuel tank weighs something), You save even more weight. Plus you save weight of additional fuel pumps, valves, and piping!
Saved weight of not installing all the tanks can offset weight of the increased number of seats, and reduce operating costs.
I think you mixed up the 747SP with the 747-400D. The -400D is essentially just a -400 with strengthened landing gear and no winglets.
@@dave8599 I initially guessed a smaller fuel tank, I am guessing again that would be much less weight that winglets. But smaller tanks would make conversion to long haul quite the effort (guessing once again).
@@dalewong7643 Your comment deserve an answer. Without reading your comment I too posted a similar question.
A long time ago, maybe 25 years ago, I flew a high density 747 from Korean Air round trip from Seoul to Cheju. I don't know where this came from. All sardine can economy seats which seemed smaller than the ones on typical -400s including in the hump. Korean air generally didn't fly -300 or -200 so I would guess it would have been a 747D purchased from Japan.
Does anyone know where you can find information on this?
Didn't know, but I just learned. THANKS!
I would call the Domestic versions of the 747 as the 'Sky Shinkansen' with how many humanoids they take in XD
That livery looks amazing 2:08
Not covered in video but JAL also operated 747-300SR. I flew one of them from Tokyo to Okinawa. Those were produced in late 1988-1989, so the lavatory interior was quite similar to 747-400 with no vacuum flush.
Domestic flying in Japan is epic. Tokyo - Osaka and you get 777 and 767. So awesome.
Flown several times. Osaka Itami - Tokyo.
British Airways flew Tokyo-Osaka by Boeing 747 in the 1970s and '80s on their London-Anchorage-Japan route.
Wish you guys had gone into the cultural and geographic market forces that creates this unique demand in Japan for short-range, high-capacity widebodies.
Well, this is _Simple_ Flying after all, so you can't really blame them.
I've always been suprised by the super-high density short haul sector in Japan. Given the incredible penetration of high speed rail on most key corridors, I'm amazed the airlines managed to retain enough market share to make it work. In Europe, when a new HSR corridor opens, air demand on that route pretty much evaporates within a year or two (thinking of Paris-Marseille / Paris-Brussels / Madrid-Seville / Madrid-Barcelona etc).
There are a few city pairs that are just far enough apart for air travel to remain attractive. And Sapporo isn't yet connected to the high speed network (and Okinawa can't be).
Many routes that are now covered by high speed rail have seen a collapse of air travel.
I always wondered what that "747 domestic" option was in the X-Plane 11 ATC window...
The JAL 747 in the pic at 0:36 is the one that crashed as JAL123
thank you for the information I had not heard of this model yet
So what exactly makes it so the range is that much reduced? Surely its not just the missing winglets? Different engines? Less fuel capacity?
i flew on one of these on an ANA flight between Haneda and Sapporo in 2006. Was a trip to go on a jumbo for a 1hr domestic flight!
There are a lot of short flights in eastern Asia that use very large planes. JAL uses their 767s for short domestic flights within Japan whereas flights in the US would typically use a E-jet or some regional jet for that. JAL and ANA also use their 777-200(ER)s for short flights to China whereas flights in the US would use a 737 or A320 for a flight that length. It is mainly their 777-300ERs, 787s, etc that are used for longer flights but even those can be used as oversized regional jets for flights between populated areas in Asia!
Flew from Fukuoka to Haneda on a Friday evening, with many businessmen returning to Tokyo for the weekend. The crew suggested I boarded first and sat me at an entrance. Lost count of the hundreds who boarded the flight, but still remember the experience these many years later
Flew on the 747-400 with Lufthansa and the 400 Combi with KLM. Sadly did not have the chance to fly on the 747-400 for Saudia which was nice of you to use in your video :-)
You forgot a crucial technical detail: the main landing gear was strengthened due to the increased number of landings compared to long-haul flights.
In fact 😉
I knew about the 747 400D thanks to the game called Airline Tycoon Deluxe :D I used it on high demand but low distance routes (obviously, that's what it's intended for) but in Europe, London - Berlin and back, and Berlin - Moscow and back. Never knew it was only for the Japanese tho
Did they retire due to end of service life? That many cycles must do a number on the airframe?
Either end of service life or the plane wasn't economically good
I never flew one but I knew of them. The only domestic flight I’ve taken in Japan was on a 737. ANA seems to know what flights have a lot of foreigners. I heard bilingual announcements before I passed out in my seat bound for Fukuoka.
A JAL 747 was the first plane I ever flew back in 1979 when I was a baby. Was from the UK to India though.
Very informative video! Never knew that there was a short haul 747! Thanks!
There are a handful of A380s for short hauls used by ANA but it seems they are stuck on the ground these days.
@@julosx yeah. They say that the A380 is a commercial failure anyways due to the rise of narrow body short haul airliners.
That Pokémon livery was great!
Wow, I didn't know. You guys rock!
Hi guys! Ive got a question. When i was a kid (6 years), i remember seeing a 747 with engine number 1 and 4 being smaller compared to the inter engines (number 2 and 3). Was i wrong in what i saw or theres a version of the 747 with this engine configuration?
i never heard of it. might of just been the angle making them look smaller.
The only goofy 747 engine install I am aware of are when the 747 is used as an engine test plane. But I have only seen that done with one odd engine, the other three being the standard engine. I saw this at Tucson AZ airport a few years ago. An engine company was using a 747 as a test plane, there was one very large engine and three normal engines. I think it was testing the latest Rolls Royce giant engine for the 787 or something.
The 747 can also carry a fifth engine on an inboard fifth pylon. This is used for transporting engines to various airports, as the engine is too big to fit thru the standard cargo door, so it is carried under the wing, This engine is not operable, it is strictly cargo.
All the regular 747s as far as I know carry four of the same type engines, thats how Boeing made them.
Both answers are accurate, perspective, one of the 3 major engine manufacturers 747 test beds (only one engine is different, all of them did use the 747 as inflight testings for new engines), or the 5th inoperative engine for ferry between #2 and wing root.
I'll just add a non flying mock up of a modified 747-200, N88892, at Dunsfold airport (EGTG) around 2006-2007 with two fictive side-by-side dual engines mounted on engine pylon #2 and #3 (the innermost engines on a regular 747), and mock up fuel tanks on pylons #1 and #4 (outermost), much thinner (and longer).
It appeared this grounded aircraft was used as a basis for a fictive rendition of a super double decker jumbo in one of the James Bond movie (the Skyfleet S570 in Casino Royale), but it barely looks like a 747 in the movie.
That modified aircraft was permanently grounded/stored at the aerodrome and the engine mockups were actually not engines at all, but it was an odd looking design, and quite convincing for the general public. Reality is, this engine configuration has been abandoned in the 80s because you get a double failure when one fails (avoid mounting them side-by-side at all costs), and the classic 747-200 pylon is not designed to bear the loads of two engines mounted that way (remember, they are designed to snap and fall from the pylon if they vibrate too much, this to save the wings and prevent a critical inflight broke up. All planes can glide, a falling engine is actually a safety feature)
That's the closest I know of to your description, but that doesn't mean you spotted that very unique frame. I just thought maybe you spotted it far away in the blink of an eye, on a Top Gear event perhaps, but 2007 is not that far away, if you were 6 at that time, that means you're 20 in 2021, but you sounded as it was back in the 80s...
Just have a look, type "James Bond Boeing 747" or "Topgear Boeing" in google image to confirm or rule out the hypothesis.
Perhaps you were comparing the very big engines of a 777 twin with those on a 747?
Long live the queen of the skies
Does anyone know if all 747-400d are scrapped or most of them I hope one is preserved
Delta has one at their museum (that 747 survived a brush with disaster as NWA Flight 85.)
@@adamshaheedh Then nope, there aren’t any 747-400D’s remaining today...
Last 747D for me was 2005 from HND to MYJ.
Good information but comes with low volume. Increase your recording volume please.
I flew the 747 - D many times between NRT - OKA. It was configured like a bus!
Great video! Really interested in finding out what music you're using in the background...?
There was also a -300SR version of 747
I flew a 60 minute flight from Chiangmai to Bangkok a few years ago on a 747 with Thai Airways which I thought was very unusual. I didn’t think they did short haul domestic routes!
It’s a short turnaround flight to maximize usage that TG usually deploy to both Chiangmai and Phuket If I remember correctly they also use to deploy other international configured 777’s A340’s and A330’s (those that have lie flat Biz class) too
I flying whit lufthansa 747-400 and I love this jumbo so much
I’d never heard of the 747-400D although I’d heard of the 747-100SR
Cool song.
@Simple Flying Coming from a previous video you’ve recorded, your recording volume has been very inconsistent. But I love the videos you make about planes. Compare this video with to “Why doesn’t the Boeing 777 have four engines like the A340?”. You’ll see a stark difference in sound volume.
when I was in Japan I saw the pokemon plane in the airport. seeing it here gives me nostalgia. that was in 2013
Well unfortunately, I have never flown on a 747 and I would have liked moreover, maybe one day!
🤔😉✈
I didn't fly the short haul 747 but before covid I usually flew in A380s, A350s, 787s and 777s between Kuwait and Qatar or Dubai, usually 1-1.5hrs
1:55 r those windows really for extra seats? Because the 747-8 also had two windows at the back but those were for the stairs.
Have you done a video on the 747SP?
I knew that there were domestic 747 aircraft in Japan, but I never got to fly on one. I did fly on what I think was a JAL 777 configured for domestic flights, in this case between Sapporo and Tokyo Haneda. It could be worth a video on other domestic versions of wide body aircraft. In the USA, I flew on domestic versions of the L1011 and MD11.
I play airwaysim. My favorite model. 19???? I operated a hundred 747 400Ds!!!
I did. I was too young to know much but I remember I was flying from narita to Kansai international airport.
Haven’t you already covered this subject?
I live in London, and in the 80s I used to work in Paris. Several times I used either the BA or Air France shuttle service between Heathrow and CDG. This was a 747. Would this have been a short haul version? After the Eurostar service started, I stopped flying short haul to Europe, as the train is as fast, and much more comfortable!
Before I was born, my father has flown on a 747-400D. He went to Japan because he works for a company called Hitachi America.
interesting, thanks
Just for a second I thought that was Boeing 747 Diesel :) And the next version of it would be B747 Turbo Diesel. No next version? SAD :(
TBF, I'm pretty sure turbine engines _can_ run on diesel.
Hahahaha. Good catch there. Diesel.. LMAO, but why not ? XD
Discovered it on a Facebook game about running an airline.
Also landing gears were more heavy duty. 747-400D takes off and land more often than regular 747-400.
Wonder if they will craftily bag a few lightly used A380's???
The 747-400D looks like an shortened 747-8i.
I need to know which routes this airplanes flew
The title aircraft for the JAL "Jet de Go!" video game on playstation 1 and 2
Such a good memory, i also knew the -400D from the Game, but i have no idea that D stands for Domestic, and now i wish to play that game again
wow such a legend game..
What was the point of the D rather than that standard model, and why do Japanese airlines like widebodies on short routes
Some Domestic Routes in Japan have very high demand, so It's better to use larger planes instead of smaller one to accomodate more Passengers. Also, the D means Domestic. It refers the plane's usage which only used on Domestic routes in Japan.
@@WNDWSTIDN that makes a lot of sense
they wanted to fly 500 plus passengers at a time, wide body was a good option for that number of seats.
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May I just point out the usual misconception of winglet opposition between 400D and 400 ? The 400D wingtip is not just a matter of removing winglets from a 400 wing and brag about "it is not efficient to have winglets because the aircraft rarely reaches the altitude for cruise" to justify the point. 747-400D wings are directly derived from 747 classics wings with less fuel tanks, thus, they are narrower than the extended 747-400 wings at the wingtips, not the other way around. The 400D lacks the outermost (6th) leading edge flaps on the last section of the wing the -400s and -8s have, and there are accuator differences between the variants. The only relevant things they have in common with -400s are the refined aerodynamic wingroot and the engine pylons (and engines obviously).
When you say "removed winglets (from a -400 wing), there is only 2 cases and a half :
- the Boeing 747-400LCF, wich indeed rarely reaches cruising altitude for most Boeing inter-plant hops, only when they are chartered for other custommers they do cruise.
- some very rare occurence of damaged winglets where the -400 aircraft gets special clearance to fly without winglet on one side.
- I'm however aware of one 747-400D airframe (probably a few others) that has been in its lifetime factory assembled as a -400D, then modified as a -400 with wingtip extensions and winglets, then modified again as a -400D later on by removing the winglets AND the wingtip extensions (along with other modifications).
If a lambda 747-400 were to be modifed to become a -400D, there are much more work to do on the wingtip than just removing the winglets. This is not a rant, this is to explain why you can't just get a 400D out of a 400 as if it was that simple.
Note aswell that the few last assembled 747-200B, -200F and -300 do have some -400 features, such as the new wing root, refined vertical stabilizer, or 2-pilots/no engineer flight crew.
Wanna look for odd 747 breeds in the civilian side :
- the classic -400 mutants 747 I just mentionned
- pre -300 standardization of -200SUD (stretched upper deck), the KLM ones, which are basically modified -200s, not designed from the start to have that longer upper deck
- the very rare 747-300s equipped with -400 engines (GE CF6-80), with or without new wing roots
- the eight 747-200B/F/SCDs airframes equipped with the very rare PW JT9-D 70A engines (and the main cause of their demise due to lack of spare parts from 2000 onwards)
- the Aviation Parthners Inc wingleted Experimental 747-200F lended by FedEx (also one of the 8 with JT9-D 70A), though never flown as commercial, only for testings, and the largest winglet ever built, but failed to meet the requirements and almost caused an inflight catastrophic failure on the last test flight.
There are other rare and obscure 747s on the military/private/government/special purpose side. Yeah yeah, the VC25A is pretty common, but ever heard of some iranian 747-200 with flying boom carrying passengers between Teheran and the world (Europe mainly) on regular flights for several years....?
I took one from Nagoya to Tokyo. There was hardly time for peanuts and OJ before it was time to land.
I once flew from Tokio to Sapporo in a 747. Must have been the D variant then.
The infamous Japan Airlines flight JAL 123 was a Boeing 747-100SR
The plane shown at 0:36 is that exact plane.
@@Claro1993 True JA8117 was JAL flight 123
@@Calebs_Aviation JA8119
Is this not the B747-SR81 in the video?
Only Japan would have a Pokemon themed 747 XD
Winglets also improve takeoff and climb performance, not just cruise performance.
But it adds extra weight which inefficient for short haul routes
@@WNDWSTIDN The weight gain is annihilated by the gain in lift and reduction in drag and winglets reduce fuel burn at every flight no matter how low slow or short.
I thought D is domeatic for inside usa flights.
It's only for Japanese market
Yes, i have seen a few at Narita.. I havent flown one. Airbus tried selling an Airbus A380 D. It bombed ( metaphorically )
ANA has two A380s so far and a third one (the orange one) that remains to be delivered.
2:39 It looks like the pilot was trying to scrap it on the runway!
And its replacement? Yes, a B777-300 of 514 seats...
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Well I've flown alot over the years. The last time I flew on a 747 was to go to Mexico. Don't know if that was a 400 series or not. It was at least 30 years ago. We also went to other parts of America which I'm sure it was a 747, but I was really young.
It it was more than 30 years ago, it was more likely a 100 or 200 series.
Year 1984, I fly a 747 from Osaka to Tokyo. It could be one of those
No, because the 747-400 is a creature of the 90s. So no chance.
It was successful at the times of the economic boom (or bubble as they call it) were the majority of the passengers are traveling domestically for business mostly on same day return thus little to no luggage, and airlines were competing with bullet trains.
Even when travelling for 2 or 3 days they prefer a carry on luggage.
Must not have been fun for the over 6 footers like me 😁
Nvr knew about it. 😮
Wasn't there a 747 SP?
Yes
0:35 to 0:49, that plane JA8119, which operated as Japan Airlines Flight 123, crashed at Mount Osutaka on August 12, 1985 after explosive decompression of rear bulkhead since after tailstrike incident on 1978. 520 of the 524 people onboard are killed. Only four people miraculously survives, all female and Japan nationality.
It was possible that more people survived, but probably died due to dehydration or starvation
@@aryapatel1932 and don’t forget hypothermia.
NCA still operates 747s out of Japan
What about the Japan Air Force One? They used 747s.
The one used by Japan Air Force One is for Government transport, not a commercial plane.
@@WNDWSTIDN Ah
@@ValleyThrills However, Japanese Air Force One already retired their 747-400, replaced by 777-300ER.
Managed to get a ANA johto push fit model. Unfortunate i have no room to spare in my collection so it stays in the box
Doesn’t the box take more space than built model?
Nope.
1:200
30 cm x 30 cm when assembled
@@skylineXpert oh that’s big must be really nice !
My birthday is April 17th the same day of the last 400d Ana flight
The last ANA 747-400D flight was March 31 2014
They should nickname it The Big D
I knoew about the aircradft cause it was mentioned in a book about aircraft.
Why does the 400D have the same design as the 300?
Winglets aren’t too effective on short flights, which is why it was decided to ditch them on the 747-400D! Otherwise it’s just a 747-400 which already itself looks a lot like the 747-300
Oh
The 747 looks better with no winglets
you can make that video but in spanish???
I’ll pass it on to the team. - TB
@@SimpleFlyingNews ok thank you very much
Anyone thought of JAL123?
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