Is honey ancestrally consistent?
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- Paul and Ken Berry disagree about the benefits of honey consumption. Paul explains his experience in finding honey when he spent time with the Hadza and why honey does not perform the same as processed sugar.
The bible also is really old, and there's that verse, a land flowing with milk and honey. At that time, they viewed cream, and honey, which would be from pastured lands as the greatest human blessing.
There's a similar concept with Islam. Honey is reported to have medicinal properties.
I would be a lot more concerned about Oxalates than honey.
I will say this: Since Aug 1, 2022 my son Brandon and myself started the carnivore/ with fruit honey and dairy diet, along with adding the desiccated organs and I no longer need to have my gal bladder taken out, and my son, who “supposedly” has had APLS and has had SADDLE BAG blood clots and many P.E.s along with chronic DVT’s, about every other month, and was on Lovinox shots (for life mind you) for the rest of his life, due to not being able to take normal blood thinners because of his epilepsy, has had NOT ONE blood clot since starting this beef, butter, eggs, fruit and honey diet. Is it because we are O positive? I mean maybe, …I don’t know, because supposedly even THAT theory has been debunked. But who cares. If, I see my son being able to work out and walk and exercise with more muscle on him and feeling good (oh there’s also that he NO LONGER TAKES A BLOOD THINNER AT ALL) ….. this is what we most care about. That we are eating until we are full, and not feeling like crap anymore, is the amazing rewards we could ever feel, at least in MY mind. Thank you DR. S for continuing to teach on how we should be eating. Our lives have and are continuing to thrive because of what you have taught us. 🙏
Its all about context. Anyone engaging in daily mid-to-high intensity exercise (i.e. like Paul) NEED carbs for performance. The scientific sports/nutrition literature is unanimous on the important effects carbs play in modulating performance/recovery. In this regard, honey is a proven natural carb source that helps improve exercise performance and improve body composition in numerous clinical trials. Having said that, the need for carbs dramatically decreases if someone is not physically active or those living a more sedentary lifestyle. For the latter, carbs may actually be detrimental rather than essential. But the premise is that everyone should be exercising for optimal health therefore carbs should be included in their diets (which seems to be Paul's argument IMO).
I think honey, and carbs in general, are fine given healthy metabolic context.
It's the things that tag along with the carbs that are potentially harmful in that context, such as the fats in the grains and seeds, or some proteins for sensitive individuals.
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Carbs filled with pest - i - cides & other nasties is probably a huge part of the problem. For instance I can occasionally eat pasta made in Italy without bad effects (Italy bans most of the stuff US allows).
I would really be interested in a video about reversing hair loss with this diet
That's just from roids don't worry about that!
Most people don't realize how long human prehistory is and how short human history is, in fact most people don't know the difference.
Mic sounds off on the last half of this video
Was it me or was the podcast very tense haha?😂 don’t think Dr Berry wants to admit he was wrong about the raw honey. I think his reputation is so built up on the fact that sugar is bad that he’ll look like a hypocrite if he backs down now lol
Nobody was even able to demonstrate that berry was even wrong
Just think how tense it would be if Bart Kay (who I think is a childish, dogmatic, asshole) debated Paul. At least this was cordial, even if they don't agree on fruits & honey. Dr Berry lets his kids have fruit. That's all that needs to be said though.
@@joerandom157 bart would obliterate Paul, sorry to bust your bubble again
But remember... honey is not sugar... although honey needs to honestly be used ideally as a medicine for most people. 👍🏻🙂
But remember... honey is not sugar... although honey needs to honestly be used ideally as a medicine for most people. 👍🏻🙂
What you said, Doc Berry- “in the context of our own DNA”. Translation, is it working for you? Yes? Bon appetit! No? Don’t eat it. Seems simple enough.
you eloquently just said nothing
But people like to split hairs about nutrition.....or anything, for that matter.....
@@peterlewis8006made beautiful sense to me, grasshopper.....
@@Magneticlaw you need lots of words? screw off
@@Magneticlaw shut up
Yes he is exactly right - in Zambia I was present with same - the guy who went up was half naked and did not been stunk by them at all ! It was great to see it and of course great to eat it !
Finally a smart person 👍
Fructose is nature's metabolic change nutrient. Literally all animals use fructose to change their metabolism to survive changing environmental conditions. Humans use fructose consumption to gain body fat and induce insulin resistance, increase blood pressure, and help us survive a lack of food, which our ancestors had to face every winter. Bears eat 10,000 berries a day during the fall to gain body fat to prepare for hibernation. Birds eat fruit to prepare for migration by gaining fat. Penguins eat fruit to gain fat to raise their young. Camels eat fruit to gain fat as a source of metabolic water.
This is what fructose does, it helps animals gain fat, and provide metabolic survival advantages. That's all metabolic syndrome is, it's an evolutionary survival mechanism, and it's mainly caused by fructose consumption.
The take home from this is that if you never face a famine or starvation, there is no reason to eat fructose, in any form ever. It's nature's weight gaining and metabolism changing nutrient.
We don't ever need to eat it, period.
People need to realize this guys surfs hours a day and walks and sprints and works out. The exercise improves if glycogen metabolism through age. The average unhealthy person shouldn’t start loading up on fruit and honey because it’s “natural”
Maybe the average guy should get healthy 😅
It's not just a diet it's a lifestyle. If you want your body functioning properly, you have to do the things that make it function that way. Exercise is as much a part of that as diet
Or exercise, like our ancestors had to, chasing down our prey to exhaustion. Sugar (honey and fruit) feels like caffeine while you're exercising! Big immediate energy boost.
This is more of an argument to exercise than it is to avoid fruit and honey.
Well said comments section! He lives a life human beings were meant to live! We were meant to move ,bend ,adapt and live according to our seasons . In Canada where I live , we have fruit and and what not in the summer and fall. After that if we weren't getting imported produce we would have had cold storage for a while but meat and fat would be a dominant source of food . People need to get up off their flat butts and move! Change all the imported garbage ,to local only. This would change a lot more than just people's health it would benefit the planet as well. Part of a vision to reclaim the harmonious living with nature🤔
eat what meat is available and eat what fruit is in season. Honey always yum
I mean you guys are sort of uncovering the real lid of it all. Over management of intake. Producing anxiety and worry around food has a complete inverse effect probably.
I use raw organic honey from Australia to treat bleeding gums and gum irritation too, works really well. I love raw honeycomb too
Has your guest changed his opinion ? he said he would never recommend bee vomit.
After carnivore for over 1.5 years, started eating honey and fruit. My workouts have improved. My muscles are bigger. My abs have popped since eating all this "bad sugar". Theres obviously something more to this issue than "sugar bad".
Me too. I added in raw honey, raw cheese, and a big glass of freshly squeezed orange juice everyday around 4 oranges. My bench press and squats definitely went up since adding those in
What's your opinion on plain Greek Yogurt? I love the high protein content in Greek Yogurt.
Get A2 grass fed whole yogurt. It still has good protein but without the ultra pasteurization and possible other sugars/shit in it
What i want to know is if the hadza have tooth decay/disease
It's biblically consistent!
Great argument. Someone wrote it down a few thousand years ago so it must be true.
@@notyourdad This but unironically
Interestingly, honey seems to be Islamically consistent too.
@@gray-shawnteebles7317 Humans have been eating honey way before jews sold you Islam.
Regardless of whether or not the Carnivore KETO lifestyle works for any individual, there are of course a number of success stories to be shared - innovative ideas for how to stay faithful to one's Carnivore journey. For example, a friend of mine was just finishing the eggs, steak and bacon of his first breakfast the other day when his wife's cat brought him a dead mouse - as mice tend to do when they want to "reward" their keepers with a gift. He politely thanked the cat and assured the animal that he was quite full and that she "Clawdia" should go ahead and consume the rodent herself. It got my friend to thinking: "If cats have a natural tendency to act as our predators-by-proxy could they be trained to hunt small edible birds on our behalf - quail, grouse, mourning doves, etc.? Then, remembering that Clawdia had recently helped herself to both of his son's goldfish (named "Goldilocks" and "Wasabi" ) while the family was out at the local butcher, the "idea bulb" got even brighter. Perhaps cats could also be trained to "catch and deliver" on our behalf,s mall mackerel, herring, tlapia, etc. - great sources of protein.
Interesting thoughts on cats as our predators-by-proxy.
@@conquistador1284 Thanks.
Dr Berry sure sounds very different here about honey (and fruits) compared to when you listen to his own videos...😁
Ok...for me any kind of honey is more sugar in my body...sugar is sugar...it spikes my blood glucose way up. I stay away from honey. Now...like i said...this is just me. You all may have a diferent body respond. Dr. Berry is one of the best doctor.👌👍👌👍👌
Did you know that honey actually helps with fatburning, due to the palatinos found in it? It has an ectremely low GI and is helping you with fatloss. It is not the same as sugar for sure. It is much easier for the body to burn it than sugar.
@@R.J22 everyone body is difrent. Maybe you can talorate honey and blood sugar to stay high.. but i can't risk my blood sugar with honey. Tha't why, when i use to do keto/ ketovore, i never bought those fake so call alcohol munk fruit sugars, or keto stevia. I use to drink my coffee pure black. Now that i do carnivore/omad, i don't drink coffee anymore. Not for loosing weight...but for keeping my insulin down. That's just me...i'm not judging you, or anyone alse. Good luck with your own diet jouney😀
Audio got jacked up at the end when you uploaded solo
When I see two grown adult men in their 40s discussing whether or not honey is good for you, I know I've reached peak internet content. Thank you.
Honey is GOD's food.
I can’t see Morrison eating honey. Heroin, meth, alcohol? Yep- uh huh.
…. so, honey isn't for us to eat? Just God,… and bees?
*god
I mostly eat red meat some pasture eggs and butter and some raw cheese but ivdd we decided I’m gonna add i tablespoon of honey in a day and try that!
In the Bible honey is mentioned many times. In Matthew 3:4 the Bible reads: "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey." KJV. This is evidence that honey isn't just historically consistent but biblically as well.
Thanks! What about bee pollen?
Idk why people think they can talk over Dr. Saladino. Very rude SMH
The same thing happend in the "Doctors show". He's too nice.
I get a stomach ache everytime I eat honey, I don't know why
Have you tried local honey or maybe manukau honey? Just wondering if you are using like the bear honey because quality reasons obviously could be a culprit
Must be raw honey and 2 tbs max
because you're a giant vaj. waaaaah my tummy hurts
Might have to heal the gut first. Stick to meat and organs for a while and try again with small amount.
You need raw honey. Unheated.
I tried Saladino's approach. meat + fruit and honey. it ramped my sugar/carb cravings big time. headaches as well. now back to pure KETO/berries. I totally agree that red meat should be the core of your diet, but otherwise he is much too restrictive to sustain it long term. I mean cmon who wants to eat a burger for breakfast/lunch/dinner.
I’m 17 on this diet and when I was doing keto I always needed a cheat day or something but I never get tired of fatty steaks with raw cheese and bacon
My experience is meat and potatoes. This combination is very satiating and the one I feel the best on. And some kefir to wash it down. It's also the most practical because meat dairy and potatoes (if stored correctly) are available all year and if you produce your own you basically have no need to buy other food. Fruit and honey increase ghrelin for me off the charts and it never goes away until i stop completely. Wild honey also doesn't exist everywhere
@@matijagrguric6490 maybe sweet potatoes for lower defense chemcials
@@nickcatino1549 I also go by way of taste and local production. I don't like the taste of sweet potatoes whereas I love baked potatoes almost as much as meat and potatoes are traditionally grown and consumed where I live whereas sweet potatoes are new here in that regard, much more expensive and complicated to produce on your own
Our natural food aka "diet" is raw flesh and organs from other animals. Everyone instinctively wants to eat the same eveyday.
The body prioritizes liver glycogen replenishment so it becomes insulin resistant at the muscular level when the liver becomes empty of its glycogen stores. Glucose, such as from starches and sugar, is taken up by the whole body while Fructose is sent to the liver to be converted to.... Glucose. So it makes sense any carb source would make one more insulin sensitive. To me it seems sleep sun and exercise and a low toxin environment(mentally and physically) would have a greater effect on one's health than the choice of energy source, granted the energy course is of low toxicity and high nutrition, like all natural sources of energy (animal foods, fruit, tubers, honey). Sleep, sun and exercise also play a large role in insulin sensitivity. I don't think obesity and the inability to efficiently metabolize foods for energy would be a problem if one's lifestyle is in check. So eating whatever natural nutritious energy source is available at the time and place wouldn't matter if lifestyle factors are in check and the body is in a currently healthy condition. A healthy body knows what to do with natural food you give it. A sedentary sleep deprived toxic malnourished body wouldn't. Also you're only looking at the Hazda. What about the other indigenous civilizations? Were they all high carb, or were the others mostly eating fat and included more starch and less fruit and honey? Just depending on their location.
great comment
They say eat local honey. I do not necessarily eat local but honey from I get honey from my State. It is dark, raw and unpasteurized. What are thoughts on Manuka Honey from New Zealand. The higher the MGO the stronger the antimicrobial properties. The higher antimicrobial does it affect our microbiome. Thanks.
Saladino said stay away from Manuka in one of his other vids. You'd have to find it idk the name
@@ChaseHub thank you
ID argue hunters were the ones that had the honey, they stopped by the honey and ate it during a hunt which gave them extra focus and energy for the main dish to kill. I doubt they brought it back for the elderly and woman.
Audio quality is terrible on the 2nd half of the video.
I keep bees and that is not right. You know if your bees are going to swarm. It's only if you are not checking your bees weekly that you get surprised.
How about royal jelly
Do you mix your honey when you get it at a store ?
Pod casts on what humans should eat just shows how disconnected we are as a species from nature.
Dr. Sal, has the science down. And I like the approach of boxing Dr. Berry in a corner a bit on the fruit and honey piece. wore Dr. Berry down so much so, he pulled the race card! lol
Except what we should eat is not really a science question. It's an evolutionary question.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand i can dig it
The race card is a valid genetic consideration. Africans developed for thousands of years in a certain area, this they have very different genetic features. We’re not all the same.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand Evolution is fake. It's a nature question. What's our natural food? Raw flesh, raw organs and blood from other animals.
@@matiasacosta175 Ok, you must be a christian.
For Dr. Ken vasectomy is more ancestrally consistent
A honey tree?? Lmao
I’m so tired of the claims carbs are not healthy..
hahaha who said they aren't healthy? its a lifestyle CHOICE and some people do well on a high carb diet and some people do awful. Diet should really be individual just like thoughts, feelings, life and love. No 2 people are the exact same.
Same here!
It’s complicated 😂
@Sara Andersson There is most certainly no trustworthy sources to my knowledge.
I agree👍
Well they are contraindicated by human biology
150,000 years ago ,so how would one know ? Oldest documented civilization is like 6000 -8000 yrs in Mesopotamia
Layne Norton seemed to dissing the Carnivore community on his Twitter feed....Anyone else weigh in on this?
I commented on another video of yours and again I'm gonna reiterate That depends on an individual and it depends on activity there's a lot of factors that depends on When you're talking about a healthy overall diet. I am 436 pounds I'm 50 years old I live a seditary lifestyle hence my health issues. I also have non alcoholic fatty liver disease so my carb intake will be significantly different than yours so I am not able to eat fructose and glucose pretty much at all in the amounts that you do. And that's the issue we're all there trying to find out information to help us in our situation and issues and we're getting frustrated because a lot of it is counterdictory that's because we're all different and we all have different issues and different lifestyles.
I wonder how often they actually went looking for it though. 🤔
Not too often - what I see in rural Zambia long ago
Well this is nice content but how on earth the sound quality is so poor
Hey do you eat salt
I like dr beery but dang man I couldn’t stand to watch this because of his interrupting so much
Honey gives me my asthma and allergies back. Maybe not as bad as processed garbage but still not optimal.
Really? How odd, maybe try local honey? I’ve heard the local pollen and stuff in the honey can help with allergies
If you're fit you can follow Paul's advice, if not follow Ken.
I'm not fit, I actually live on disability bcs of fibromyalgia. I'm very sedentary bcs of that. I did follow a strict carnivore diet. Gained 20 pounds! Couldn't sleep well, thyroid labs worsened aswell. I have now added back almost 200 g of carbs from honey, fruits and dairy and I have lost about 14 pounds so far. So, even if your statement has some truth to it, it's not for everyone.🌺
many problems would be solved if they werent made into problems in the first place. no need to rediscover carbs if they were never forbidden.
Honey good. Simple as 🗿
Paul spent time with the Hadza?
For 30 million years!
If you believe in it.
Dude you have the wrong mic recording
Is milk ancestry consistent
If your ancestors were pastoral, then typically you would benefit from dairy in your diet. Ease back into it, if you've been off dairy for a while.
Carnivore or dietary ketosis is not ancestrally consistent. Wide varieties of plant foods alongside hunted game is. And hunts were not always successful, meat was lean and was far from this very high saturated fat carnivore cult diet
I actually got NAFLD from honey. So no go for me.
Just out of curiosity, how do you know that specifically honey gave you nafld? Not saying you’re wrong, I’m just wondering how you isolated that as the causation.
@@maidenlesstarnished8816 It was basically my only carb source. Obviously not from a hole in a tree & didn’t contain larva & unlike the tribal folks, I didn’t get to run around hunting all day! 😂 If you intake xs carb & don’t burn it, it will be stored in your liver. And will continue to accumulate. Had rapid reversal when I removed it, 2 wks, lost 2” in waist & could bend over to tie my shoes without having to hold my breath! I find no need for it other than fueling carb addiction IF you have been in the past.
wtf is a honey tree
Write another book for free and give back a the money that you made off the book and no one will call you a criminal
There is no natural honey in Europe
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Can you guarantee that the majority of us your viewers can find this raw unpasturazides and good quality honey without giving a fortune ? If not why promote to us its 1 million times better to not having the conventional honey in supermarkets at all imo.
Because he is informing people that can afford it, because it’s obviously the better option and would be doing a disservice to not let people know
What? It's not his responsibility to guarantee that honey is available at an affordable price to you, me, or anyone else. It's up to you to take the information and use it in the way you feel is best for your situation and budget. For instance, I'm not going anywhere near honey because I still have 40 pounds to lose. I don't care if he promotes it as healthy.
@@roachums123 no its not his responsibility i agree with you i never said it was i just said to make clear that honey in general is not good only original organic high quality raw honey is ,which is why he shouldnt promote it as if anyone can have access to it. i agree,with what he is saying but to me the way he is doing it is more like to justify his way of living and eating than to promote something for the mass population which either wont be able to afford or find at all locally...the whole point of ancestral way of eating is using local foods that are also sustainable and high quality , that way we protect the enviroment without the need to ship products around the globe that we would never had found otherwise .If he actually cared about us, his viewers he would clarify how hard it is to find honey like that and that it would be best to not consume it at all than using the conventional one from supermarkets...
@@dimitrischou562 very good point
Raw honey isn't that expensive. You're gonna pay more per lb for grass fed beef than raw honey.
The "honey" the Hadza ate was full of bee larvae. Not the same as what you're eating, Paul. Also, you still haven't provided evidence of any nutritional advantage of consuming honey vs. maltodextrin and dextrose.
Just wondering, what's the difference between eating say honey with larve or eating honey with a steak or ground beef? Dry protein matter wise, they're fairly similar to steak/eggs. Dose makes the poison or is honey *inherently* bad?
Wow actually I did some googling and found an interesting bee larve protein rodent study that seems to show improvements in glucose uptake among other things.
Metabolic Effects of Bee Larva-Derived Protein in Mice: Assessment of an Alternative Protein Source
PMCID: PMC8624207
PMID: 34828923
Might be worth checking out @carnivoremd
He said in this video that they ate the honey, the honeycomb, and the larvae. But yes, I wonder why he hasn't connected that eating honey everyday likely isn't the same as the experience he had with the Hadza.
You are joking right honey vs maltodexrine nature vs man made say no more
Ancestral consistent is one of the silliest arguments. Its also ancestrally consistent that we run around in loincloths with no AC or Heat and commit tribal genocide. So should we return to that? 🤣 We have so many more stressors in the form of radiation, jobs, constant communication from our work, friends and family that we can't walk away from through the forms of social media and email. Different stressors requires different diet than our ancestors.
@Spencer Caron the biological reality is that glucose is a necessity for the body and going zero carb has profound negative effects over the long term, decreasing metabolism and thyroid, while upregulating cortisol and adrenaline production in an environment that is chronically stressful, much more so than our ancestors environment. They would have stress from a hunt of an injury, whereas we have stress that never stops.
What it comes to diet, ancestral is an excellent argument...when it comes to clothes and shelter, not so much...
@@ClassicJukeboxBand many of our ancestors ate purely whatever they could find. They lived via subsitence and died from diseases like dysentery.
You are a fool
@@technicalactivity ok thankyou.
Honey tree 😂
tell you what...if you walk around all day looking for your food and you find honey, all bets are off on what you eat, carb or no.
but dude....NOBODY is gonna walk around hunting for their daily intake,ok?
Tell you what bro if you eat honey all day you'd be weak and your teeth would be gone
You hunt for one animal then your good for multiple days
Unless it’s only a small bird, or an unsuccesful hunt… Humans weren’t always succesful in hunts, that’s why I think we remained omnivores; the people who could rely on carb sources such as honey, fruit and starchy vegetables such as roots or seeds when there were unsuccesful hunts were able to survive better.
@@Ruktiet look...back then, ANYTHING you could put in your mouth to fend off starvation was eaten.
i remember reading the diaries of lewis n clark, and how no matter how many berries or fruits or vegetables they could eat...they were STARVING because their wild game had NO FATS!
read it.
learn.
so here we are talking about eating to survive.
this is NOT the way peopleare earing today.
as I sit here and type, I wonder how many calories I have used before I go get another cup of coffee!!!
@@chrismoore1372 so...i agree.
Paul is a sugar addict and if he ever stops the intense exercise, he does every day his health will suffer.
So Paul is addicted to something the body naturally makes?
@@TumbleSensei The body makes alcohol. Does that make it ok to drink it in large amounts?
@@Lamz.. the difference between endogenous alcohol production and glucose production is that glucose MUST be maintained and produced at all times. If you took all glucose out of the body immediately you would instantly go into a coma or even die. The brain can only run maximum 40ish percent ketones at any given time and the blood must always have glucose as well!. So even if you are in the deepest state of ketosis you must continually have gluconeogenis fired up to make the glucose. Nornally Gluconeogenisis happens in the background as a backup to make glucose for when you can't find any. But to rely on it as your main source of energy production for your blood and brain is very difficult on the liver.
@@TumbleSensei How often did you encounter degenerating livers with long time carnivores? That's right, there aren't any. Surprise: their livers work as designed!
@@Lamz.. You can't say something until you've actually taken a biopsy of peoples livers. Also one of the livers main functions is to store glucose as glycogen for your brain and any organ that might need it.
1st comment. Ken Berry schooled him.
By promoting the lie fruits are unhealthy?
Really 🤨
can we stop? there is not a single diet that works for everyone. respect each other please
@@DemuDesu starches are for pigs
The whole point with honey is it can be stored for 100’s of years! Eaten anytime. Biological gold.
Liver is ancestoral. Why am I watching this crap.
I dont know why Mr Salad always want to justify his obession with carbs like honey and fruits. To me he is just a carb junkie. I do have carbs in the form of seafood like oysters mussels and squid. I reverse my type 2 diabetes on this diet. Only recently i am able to bring my A1C below 5 through a higher fat ratio. No fruit or honey for me. My blood sugar will spike. If i want load on carbs. I rather have raw milk in the gallons. He may not see it. Although he is fit. He is aging unlike Ken berry. Look at the podcast. Who look older? Ken is in the fifties. Salad only in the early forties.