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@@adamradziwill Hm, and where in that Bosnian hystory nation formed and based on islamic religion appears? Muslims/Bosniaks occupied not only historicaly Serb land but they also want to steal identity of Serb medieval Bosnia. That is true and pathetic labels like "Serb imperial propaganda" can't change that.
I have the impression that the people in the Balkans just want to do their own thing, and not want any outside interference? From neither east nor west? .. Interesting as always, Stefan 👍 Greetings from Grun' 🇳🇱, TW.
These German were heroes last Germans today so called Neo nazis has nothing to do with German ss of past today neonazis are actually communism who support Putin as you can see
Having collected and study the Waffen SS for almost 50 years, your videos are the most unbiased and informative ones around. I enjoy your content and presentation very much. Keep up the great work.
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I think that is because he was involved in theatres of WW2 where the Western powers were not directly involved. I think, cause it is indeed kinda strange.
It’s my understanding Bosnian collaboration with both the Nazis and Ustaša was the primary reason by the Serbs, for their hatred towards the Bosnians come the breakup of Yugoslavia.
That's not true. A lot of Bosniaks were part of the Partisans and many Bosniaks were just civilians who wanted to live their lives (like most people everywhere I suppose). The actual reason why Serbs hate Bosniaks/Muslims is because they see us as traitors to Christianity for some reason.
No, Bosnian collaboration with nazis was very minor, and it usually happened only in places where serbs were killing civilians anyway as way of protection
@@TheDigitalApple There was no Serb hatred against Bosniaks/muslims. There was war started by muslims to occupie entire BiH and separate it from Yugoslavia. Sadest part is that before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted that, by signing Cutileiro's plan. Serbs accepted what no people on the planet would have, that they can't stay in their own country with their own people, that they have to be a part of new country created by separatists from Yugoslavia. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
@@TheDigitalApple No, there was no hate hatred towards muslims. There was a war started and attrocities commited by terrorist bosnian muslim army who were violently forming independent Bosnia and Hercegovina. Sadest part is that they could have had it peacefuly. Before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted Cutilleiro's plan. They accepted what no other people on the planet would have. That they can't stay in their own country with their own people. That they have to be a part of a new country muslim separatists wanted to create. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
@@TheDigitalApple No, there was no hate hatred towards muslims. There was a war started and attrocities commited by terrorist bosnian muslim army who were violently forming independent Bosnia and Hercegovina. Sadest part is that they could have had it peacefuly. Before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted Cutilleiro's plan. They accepted what no other people on the planet would have. That they can't stay in their own country with their own people. That they have to be a part of a new country muslim separatists wanted to create. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
Very good. Thanks. BZ. At the end of the war many fled to Munich were they opened a mosque in the late 50s.They were then recruited by the Allsn Dulles' organization in an attempt to contain communism in the Islamic world.
An interesting and complex story. That Ukrainian anti Russian unit fought well against the Russians but didn't want to fight the French. In some of these cases foreign SS units identified with their fellow Catholics. The Bosnians did the opposite.
History Hustle* I recall a lengthy article maybe in Military History magazine or a similar publication 20 or so years ago about this. Read somewhere else too but don't recall where. Believe it was in the south of France. The Ukrainians brought with them a lot of heavy weapons which were a big help to the partisans. That publication had another article with an interview of Degrelle of Belgium who had escaped to Spain. With his story and viewpoint. Some interesting stuff. He was Catholic too and got Hitler to allow his men to have a Priest, Mass and rites etc. Another problem Nazi's had with these types. Spanish and Italian troops were very sympathetic to fellow Catholic Poles. As long as they weren't Commies
As someone who read Marko Atilla Hare's books on Bosniaks I can't say that divisions were failiures. They had one purpose: protect the Bosniak population from Serb Chetniks. According to many historians, handchar was a succes since more than 70 thousand men went through it. German veterans often spoke highly of Bosniaks in SS ranks.
@@HistoryHustle im glad that you pointed out that mutiny in France was because they simply did not want to leave Bosnia since they wanted to protect the local population. Most historical sources love to say that they wanted to rebel against ss because they were "antifascists"😂
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage episode about (Hencha) and (kama) Waffen SS divisions organized by Nazism regime when it occupied Yugoslavia during WW2.( Hencha) and (Kama) divisions organized from Muslim 🇧🇦 Bosnian volunteers. This magnificent work was shared by an excellent ( History Hustle) channel .introduced by Sir Stefan 🙏. Thanks for sharing
@@rhodesianian I was laughing my b.. of when I heard of that division as it means in Slavic a Corn division. I could not find sufficient information about them
Handžak Division even destroyed an Serbian village called "Jamena" In NDH Muslims were called "The flowers of Croatia" it was their way to use Muslims as weapon against Orthodox population, so less Croatians will die in the process of ethnicly cleansing of Serbs in NDH.
@@HistoryHustle Yes is was. And i want you to know that "Bosniaks" never existed is a nation before the 90s nor anyone knew about that name before Muslim extremists in Bosnia started their manipulation with Muslim population in order to make money out of it. There are archival videos on TH-cam in which Muslim extremists in Bosnia address Muslims as "Muslim peoples" And it is seen even now that Muslims are used as tool for making conflicts in Balkan region by Western powers just like Ottoman Empire did. In fact Muslim and Orthodox population never had real problems before rich individuals started using them against each other for their own economic benefits. And i will say it again, that Muslims in Bosnia are been used as tool for separatistic moves in the Balkan region, and by that creating fake nations with Religion as its foundation. I personaly know Muslims form Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro that consider themselves to be Muslims as their ethnicly, that is because they were not allowed to use Serbian name as their Identity in Ottoman era, so they changed their surenames to:"Muhamedanović or Vuković" To save the memory of their ancestors surename and origin. And older people in Serbia know that, but the real problem is that new generatons don't really know that because school dont teach them about that. And i have one question for you. What is a line between a dialect and a language? The line is non-existent and It's purely politically based. The tactic of Separatism on the basis of religion or ethnicity is a German tactic used by Germany to annex parts of Czechoslovakia in World War II. And the same goes for Bosnia and Herzegovina AND Kosovo, were we have situation that once Muslim Minority population in that area after war and Higher birth rate becomes Majority. That is fate of Capital cities of Western Europe,Muslim population led by extremists groups will destroy their national heritage and UN will be sitting with his hands folded and head bowed Ignoring what is happening to the people who were once the majority of the population in that area. What Britain sowed in Kosovo and Bosnia,it will eat in London.
@@HistoryHustle Oh yes it was. And i want to point how Anti-Serb policy was always among Croatian population. The Croatian nation was created on bases of Anti-Serbian policy. Even the sparrows on the branch know that today's Croatia is the successor of the Independent State of Croatia. I'm a descendant of a Serb from Vinkovci who fled Croatia in the 90s. I talked to people who lived in Yugoslavia and they all told me that the war could be felt and smelled from the occasion when Tudjman (who was practically Ustasha of modern day Croatia) won the elections in Croatia. The Serbs who suffered the greatest generacids and ethnic cleansings after the Balkan wars are now known as the genocidists of the Balkans. While Croatia is known only for the sea, while it is not known that only 30 kilometers from Zagreb there was a concentration camp for Serbian babies and children. At the end of World War II, Tito's communists practically graphed Croatia for ethnicity cleansing Serbian people,with 5000 kilometers of Adriatic coast, which they never had under the Hazburgs nor under Napoleon. All the former Yugoslav republics (expect Montenegro) would not exist without Serbia. If the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had not been created after the First World War, the Croats would have been under Hungarian rule, while the Slovenes would have been assimilated by Italy and Austria. Muslim population in Bosnia and herzegovina became majority only after WWII.
First president of Bosnia and Herzegovina,Alija Izetbegović was himself in SS Handzar Division. Also many father's of today's bosniaks leaders was in that unit. That's the main reason Serbs didn't want to live in muslim dominated county cause they known killings would start once again.
@@grujicdanijel7963 Did you even check how old late Izetbegovic was during WW2 before starting believing these Dobrica Cosic infused lies? Regarding post war "legacy" I can assure you there were far more Chetniks who joined Partisans in the last months of the war, managed to get away for their crimes , and then gain benefits and pension from communist Yugoslavia as they were raising a new generation of nationalists to start what they did in the 1990s. Greetings from a grandchild of a Bosniak Muslim Partisan.
@@grujicdanijel7963 Izvor: Vesela sveska Kaze lik ciji "narod" velika i hvali se zlocinima Draze Mihajlovica i Radovana Karadzica. Sjeme ti se zatrlo.
You are correct that the term 'Bosniak' originated in the 90s. The term used up until that point, Muslims, was no longer accurate as many were non-practicing or atheists due to years of communism.
Wouldn't your thesis be a fully blown irony since communists (in theory atheists) enforced "Muslim" label against Bosniaks? It's just bullying, grater Serbian / Croatian nationalist nonsense. Bosniaks have been around for centuries. The situation is not unique to Bosniaks. You have Bulgarians for instance who claim that Macedonians actually are "Serbified Bulgarians". Serbs deny even Montenegrin identity. You can find that nonsense all around the Europe really.
Except that the term was used hundreds of years earlier during the medieval, Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian rule over Bosnia. He even mentions it in the video...
@@ShejtanVrbaski And then we have muslims in Serbia who identify themselves as Bosniaks, for 1 simple reason, Bosniaks are nation formed and based in religion. Nation of people who converted to islam during Ottoman empire, empire hystorical, Serb Bosnia fought against. King Tvrtko 1. Kotromanić, vojvoda Vlatko Vuković, just a 2 Serb leaders who fought Ottomans in 14th century. You are trying to steal identity of hystorical Bosnia before Ottoman invasion. That is disgraceful and hypocritical, but sadly for you, truth can't be changed.
It's not that the Bosnian Mu slims were as enthusiastic in collaborating with the Germans as the Croats were but they weren't willing to resist the German occupation either.
You're right. Ukrainians did rebel in France in 1944. Shot their German leader's and defected to French Partisans. De Gaulle would not surrender them to the Soviet's after the war. Many joined French Foreign Legion 😊😎👍
@@HistoryHustleWhen you said that some claim that bosniak is name from the '90s, but that you read that name existed before, well that is true but there is also fact that Muslims in Bosnia call themselves Muslims, not Bosniaks, until '95-'96, and that is very easy to check, for example in any western press article from that time, when Washington agreement was sign, in 1994, or Dayton next year. Muslims signed, not Bosniaks.
First off the word Moscow Imperial propaganda I would not use. I would say communist propaganda. Imperial is mostly linked and associated with capitalism and that Moscow was not. Second, instead of Serbian imperial propaganda I would use Yugoslav socialist propaganda. To what extent it was similar depends from which time the propaganda was. Under Stalin it was more intense than under his successors. Under Tito in the beginning it was more intense than in the later year. Similarities can be drawn by looking at how the Partisans (Soviet and Yugoslav Partisans) are being celebrated as heroes and liberated, while it must also be noted they brought terror to people they deemed enemies.
Generally bosnians don't like to fight but to say they are not fighters is wrong .. if you can get them motivated enough and cover their demands you will get formidable force ...they still have more goth blood in them then anyone else and we all know what are goths capable...
The close links of the Nazi era and the Palestinian cause also had influence in iraq1942 in the Rashida Ali revolt.. today the concept of judenrein territory for peace is popular in the campuses and streets indeed the essence of the 2 state solution that insists on Jew emptied territory prior to passing it on the Palestinian rule Ignore history ignore past behavior ignore past slogans and you will be surprised when 3 university presidents in America say that Jewish genocide can be discussed in context.
As always, the topic of the conflict on the Balkan Peninsula is well covered. Bosnians/Bosniaks does not take its roots from ethnonym, but comes from toponym (Bosna River) and denotes a regional name for the Serbian population. Unfortunately, today the regional name is used for the purpose of political manipulation in order to spread the new identity, created during the Ottoman occupation, to territories that do not belong to it.
Except that Bosnian rulers called themselves "Bošnjani" and they made treaties (wars,marriages and pacts) with Servia, Dubrovnik, Croatia and other kingdoms/lands at the time. If we are Servs, as you say we are, why wouldn't we call ourselves by that name since the very beginning? Of course your whole Servian (and even Croatian) national rhetoric of today is getting quite tiresome. I honestly can't think of a bigger insult then when you guys tell us that we are members of your nationality.
@@Revanchist Bošnjani is a regional name based on toponym, just like other regional names Rašani, Dukljani (Zetljani), Zahumljani, etc. Read the title of king Stefan Tvrtko I Kotromanić or the correspondence of ruler Matej Ninoslav with Dubrovnik and see for yourself. After all, the new identity is similar to the Turkish identity and has nothing to do with medieval Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The first ss mutiny was in the 7th ss divison Prinz Eugen that was composed mostly of ethnic Germans from Yugoslavia which can be considered Balkan people I think
While Serbian / Chetnik atrocities against Bosniaks are a well known fact I have never heard about partisans "terrorizing" Bosniaks or any other ethnic group during WW2. Partisans never burned a Muslim village just for it being Muslim. Serbian Chetniks did it on daily basis. Whole Eastern Bosnia was burning in 1942 just like it did in 1992. Partisans did punish people of all ethnicities, though, if they were collaborating with axis forces - but that's another story and quite complicated to handle since there is so much revisionism these days where people are normalizing Nazis and claiming that communism was actually worse ideology. Also, I notice that you keep implying that Bosniaks are a religious group and not ethnicity. Bosniaks is a term that had been around before 1993 but it was banned during the two Yugoslav eras and replaced with discriminatory "Muslim" term. So it got its revival in 1993, you could say. The term itself is centuries old, it even has some other forms that date back to medieval times. While the term itself (originating from obvious "Bosnia") originally did apply to all Bosnians, no matter of religion, during 1800s nationalism rising in Europe, many Christians of Bosnia started to identify themselves as "Croats" and "Serbs", depending on their religion. It is from that time that Muslims of Bosnia came to "own" the term as their distinction as they were the only ones who kept identifying themselves to Bosnian origin. With that said - Bosniaks is not religious distinction - it's national / ethnic identity. I'm 100% atheist. But I'm Bosniak.
The only well known fact is that Croats and muslims/Bosniaks created the most brutal nazi state and killed about one million Serbs, hundreds of thousands in most sadistic ways. Your relativization and artificial еqualization in order to falsify history is disgraceful.
@@ShejtanVrbaski The only well known facts are that during NDH Croats and muslims killed about 1 million Serb civilians, hundreds of thousands in the most sadistic ways. Also, term Bosniak is attempt by muslims to claim historicaly Serb land of Bosnia. It is nation formed and based od religion, nation of people who converted to islam during Ottoman empire.
@@HistoryHustle wasn't that what I wrote? But the way you put it sounds like Partisans were paranoid war criminals on rampage. I have never heard of them actually wiping out an entire village, but shooting individuals who were put on trial for treason
23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian) was the name of the unit and they called themselves Croats at the time all of them Catholic and Musilm. Opet si promasio.
Because you are selling your democracy as one of the best in the world, but for the hole world would be better that you stayed on your ignorant and arogant island.
@HistoryHustle Well perspectives vary significantly based on ethnic and political affiliations. In some Bosniak communities, there is pride associated with the division's legacy, while in others, especially among Bosnian serbs is often viewed negatively as part of a dark chapter in history.My personal opinion is that the division (both Handžar and Kama) were protecting their people,culture,country etc. From chetnik and partisan barbarians.
Most Bosnian Muslims were in partisans and fighting against nazism and fascism, so stop spreading lies about Bosnian Muslims! Rather do a video about Croat ustase and Serb cetniks!
Yeah, that is why German command ordered killing 100 Serbs for 1 German soldier. Jews said it best, the only 2 peoples in continental Europe who said NO to nazis and fought against them were Serbs and Russians!
@@DzontraVolta-of5pq So, that is why nazi command ordered that 100 Serb civilians were to be killed for 1 German soldier?. Jews know best who said "no" to nazis and fought against them.
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great stuff Stefan, i am reading a book about Bosnian history, why is Serbian imperial propaganda so similar to Moscow imperial propaganda ?
@@adamradziwill Hm, and where in that Bosnian hystory nation formed and based on islamic religion appears? Muslims/Bosniaks occupied not only historicaly Serb land but they also want to steal identity of Serb medieval Bosnia. That is true and pathetic labels like "Serb imperial propaganda" can't change that.
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I have the impression that the people in the Balkans just want to do their own thing, and not want any outside interference? From neither east nor west? .. Interesting as always, Stefan 👍
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@@HistoryHustle : thanks. always a lot going on there. have a great weekend too!
These German were heroes last Germans today so called Neo nazis has nothing to do with German ss of past today neonazis are actually communism who support Putin as you can see
Having collected and study the Waffen SS for almost 50 years, your videos are the most unbiased and informative ones around. I enjoy your content and presentation very much. Keep up the great work.
Many thanks for your reply.
This is wonderful, Stefan. My word, you’ve been producing an extraordinary number of excellent videos at a rapid pace lately !…Many thanks, from Japan.
Many thanks for your reply.
Interesting as always Stefan. I'm always amazed at the topics you cover. Thanks for your hard work. Cheers from Tennessee
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It surprises me that even with all the things he has done many people don't even know who Amin Al Husseini was Unlike Stepan Bandera
I think that is because he was involved in theatres of WW2 where the Western powers were not directly involved. I think, cause it is indeed kinda strange.
He was an evil man
Ok but Stepan Bandera has nothing to do with the Bosnian Muslim SS or Amin Al Hussaini...
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Fascinating yet terrible.
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It’s my understanding Bosnian collaboration with both the Nazis and Ustaša was the primary reason by the Serbs, for their hatred towards the Bosnians come the breakup of Yugoslavia.
That's not true. A lot of Bosniaks were part of the Partisans and many Bosniaks were just civilians who wanted to live their lives (like most people everywhere I suppose).
The actual reason why Serbs hate Bosniaks/Muslims is because they see us as traitors to Christianity for some reason.
No, Bosnian collaboration with nazis was very minor, and it usually happened only in places where serbs were killing civilians anyway as way of protection
@@TheDigitalApple There was no Serb hatred against Bosniaks/muslims. There was war started by muslims to occupie entire BiH and separate it from Yugoslavia. Sadest part is that before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted that, by signing Cutileiro's plan. Serbs accepted what no people on the planet would have, that they can't stay in their own country with their own people, that they have to be a part of new country created by separatists from Yugoslavia. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
@@TheDigitalApple No, there was no hate hatred towards muslims. There was a war started and attrocities commited by terrorist bosnian muslim army who were violently forming independent Bosnia and Hercegovina. Sadest part is that they could have had it peacefuly. Before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted Cutilleiro's plan. They accepted what no other people on the planet would have. That they can't stay in their own country with their own people. That they have to be a part of a new country muslim separatists wanted to create. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
@@TheDigitalApple No, there was no hate hatred towards muslims. There was a war started and attrocities commited by terrorist bosnian muslim army who were violently forming independent Bosnia and Hercegovina. Sadest part is that they could have had it peacefuly. Before the war, in order to preserve peace, Serbs accepted Cutilleiro's plan. They accepted what no other people on the planet would have. That they can't stay in their own country with their own people. That they have to be a part of a new country muslim separatists wanted to create. Even that wasn't enough for muslims not to start a war.
Very good. Thanks. BZ.
At the end of the war many fled to Munich were they opened a mosque in the late 50s.They were then recruited by the Allsn Dulles' organization in an attempt to contain communism in the Islamic world.
Interesting to read.
An interesting and complex story. That Ukrainian anti Russian unit fought well against the Russians but didn't want to fight the French. In some of these cases foreign SS units identified with their fellow Catholics. The Bosnians did the opposite.
Interesting to read.
Ukrainians aren't Catholic though. They are Orthodox.
Western Ukrainians were however.
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I recall a lengthy article maybe in Military History magazine or a similar publication 20 or so years ago about this. Read somewhere else too but don't recall where. Believe it was in the south of France. The Ukrainians brought with them a lot of heavy weapons which were a big help to the partisans. That publication had another article with an interview of Degrelle of Belgium who had escaped to Spain. With his story and viewpoint. Some interesting stuff. He was Catholic too and got Hitler to allow his men to have a Priest, Mass and rites etc. Another problem Nazi's had with these types. Spanish and Italian troops were very sympathetic to fellow Catholic Poles. As long as they weren't Commies
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As someone who read Marko Atilla Hare's books on Bosniaks I can't say that divisions were failiures. They had one purpose: protect the Bosniak population from Serb Chetniks. According to many historians, handchar was a succes since more than 70 thousand men went through it. German veterans often spoke highly of Bosniaks in SS ranks.
Kama was though. As of the Handschar, see my video on that one.
@@HistoryHustle im glad that you pointed out that mutiny in France was because they simply did not want to leave Bosnia since they wanted to protect the local population. Most historical sources love to say that they wanted to rebel against ss because they were "antifascists"😂
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@@БранкоПетровић Klekni i moli za oprost, sta ste radili od naroda u BiH tijekom 90-tih. Kolike zivote i kolike obitelji ste ugasili.
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NDH - ISC also incorporated a small part of nowdays Serbia, the Eastern Syrmia region.
Western Syrmia was then and nowdays is the Croatia.
True yes.
Can you please make a video about the history of montenegro and serbia and teh difference between them and why they are not 1 country?
Perhaps one day. I did cover Montenegro in WW1 and one episode on WW2.
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@@rhodesianian I was laughing my b.. of when I heard of that division as it means in Slavic a Corn division. I could not find sufficient information about them
Handžak Division even destroyed an Serbian village called "Jamena"
In NDH Muslims were called "The flowers of Croatia" it was their way to use Muslims as weapon against Orthodox population, so less Croatians will die in the process of ethnicly cleansing of Serbs in NDH.
Cleansing was not their maing goal, see video.
@@HistoryHustle Yes is was.
And i want you to know that "Bosniaks" never existed is a nation before the 90s nor anyone knew about that name before Muslim extremists in Bosnia started their manipulation with Muslim population in order to make money out of it.
There are archival videos on TH-cam in which Muslim extremists in Bosnia address Muslims as "Muslim peoples"
And it is seen even now that Muslims are used as tool for making conflicts in Balkan region by Western powers just like Ottoman Empire did.
In fact Muslim and Orthodox population never had real problems before rich individuals started using them against each other for their own economic benefits.
And i will say it again, that Muslims in Bosnia are been used as tool for separatistic moves in the Balkan region, and by that creating fake nations with Religion as its foundation.
I personaly know Muslims form Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro that consider themselves to be Muslims as their ethnicly, that is because they were not allowed to use Serbian name as their Identity in Ottoman era, so they changed their surenames to:"Muhamedanović or Vuković"
To save the memory of their ancestors surename and origin.
And older people in Serbia know that, but the real problem is that new generatons don't really know that because school dont teach them about that.
And i have one question for you.
What is a line between a dialect and a language?
The line is non-existent and It's purely politically based.
The tactic of Separatism on the basis of religion or ethnicity is a German tactic used by Germany to annex parts of Czechoslovakia in World War II.
And the same goes for Bosnia and Herzegovina AND Kosovo, were we have situation that once Muslim Minority population in that area after war and Higher birth rate becomes Majority.
That is fate of Capital cities of Western Europe,Muslim population led by extremists groups will destroy their national heritage and UN will be sitting with his hands folded and head bowed Ignoring what is happening to the people who were once the majority of the population in that area.
What Britain sowed in Kosovo and Bosnia,it will eat in London.
@@HistoryHustle Oh yes it was.
And i want to point how Anti-Serb policy was always among Croatian population.
The Croatian nation was created on bases of Anti-Serbian policy.
Even the sparrows on the branch know that today's Croatia is the successor of the Independent State of Croatia.
I'm a descendant of a Serb from Vinkovci who fled Croatia in the 90s.
I talked to people who lived in Yugoslavia and they all told me that the war could be felt and smelled from the occasion when Tudjman (who was practically Ustasha of modern day Croatia) won the elections in Croatia.
The Serbs who suffered the greatest generacids and ethnic cleansings after the Balkan wars are now known as the genocidists of the Balkans.
While Croatia is known only for the sea, while it is not known that only 30 kilometers from Zagreb there was a concentration camp for Serbian babies and children.
At the end of World War II, Tito's communists practically graphed Croatia for ethnicity cleansing Serbian people,with 5000 kilometers of Adriatic coast, which they never had under the Hazburgs nor under Napoleon.
All the former Yugoslav republics (expect Montenegro) would not exist without Serbia.
If the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had not been created after the First World War, the Croats would have been under Hungarian rule, while the Slovenes would have been assimilated by Italy and Austria.
Muslim population in Bosnia and herzegovina became majority only after WWII.
First president of Bosnia and Herzegovina,Alija Izetbegović was himself in SS Handzar Division. Also many father's of today's bosniaks leaders was in that unit. That's the main reason Serbs didn't want to live in muslim dominated county cause they known killings would start once again.
@@grujicdanijel7963 Did you even check how old late Izetbegovic was during WW2 before starting believing these Dobrica Cosic infused lies? Regarding post war "legacy" I can assure you there were far more Chetniks who joined Partisans in the last months of the war, managed to get away for their crimes , and then gain benefits and pension from communist Yugoslavia as they were raising a new generation of nationalists to start what they did in the 1990s.
Greetings from a grandchild of a Bosniak Muslim Partisan.
@@ShejtanVrbaski he was 18 in 1942 and he joined SS Division.
@@grujicdanijel7963
Izvor: Vesela sveska
Kaze lik ciji "narod" velika i hvali se zlocinima Draze Mihajlovica i Radovana Karadzica.
Sjeme ti se zatrlo.
@@Revanchist i zatrlo se, najjadniji i najbjedniji su narod u Evropi
Lepo se vidi ko je bio nacista , a i danas je.
Hey I'm early now! How about that
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You are correct that the term 'Bosniak' originated in the 90s. The term used up until that point, Muslims, was no longer accurate as many were non-practicing or atheists due to years of communism.
Wouldn't your thesis be a fully blown irony since communists (in theory atheists) enforced "Muslim" label against Bosniaks? It's just bullying, grater Serbian / Croatian nationalist nonsense. Bosniaks have been around for centuries. The situation is not unique to Bosniaks. You have Bulgarians for instance who claim that Macedonians actually are "Serbified Bulgarians". Serbs deny even Montenegrin identity. You can find that nonsense all around the Europe really.
Except that the term was used hundreds of years earlier during the medieval, Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian rule over Bosnia. He even mentions it in the video...
Not true, term Bosniak was used before, it was just outlawed to be used officially
@@ShejtanVrbaski And then we have muslims in Serbia who identify themselves as Bosniaks, for 1 simple reason, Bosniaks are nation formed and based in religion. Nation of people who converted to islam during Ottoman empire, empire hystorical, Serb Bosnia fought against. King Tvrtko 1. Kotromanić, vojvoda Vlatko Vuković, just a 2 Serb leaders who fought Ottomans in 14th century. You are trying to steal identity of hystorical Bosnia before Ottoman invasion. That is disgraceful and hypocritical, but sadly for you, truth can't be changed.
@@justoneserb ma ko je meni bolestan?
Aren't the Bosnians a Slavic people? Because if yes, why did they even think it was a good idea to set up a SS Bosniak unit?
See my SS HANDZCHAR video for that.
@@HistoryHustlelike Ukrainians,also Slavic but they have 14th SS Galitzien...
It's not that the Bosnian Mu slims were as enthusiastic in collaborating with the Germans as the Croats were but they weren't willing to resist the German occupation either.
@@matovicmmilan some croats not all croats, Dalmatia mostly joined to partisans movement,
´cos Serbian imperialists wanted (want) to kill them all.
You're right. Ukrainians did rebel in France in 1944. Shot their German leader's and defected to French Partisans. De Gaulle would not surrender them to the Soviet's after the war. Many joined French Foreign Legion 😊😎👍
Thanks for sharing.
@@HistoryHustleWhen you said that some claim that bosniak is name from the '90s, but that you read that name existed before, well that is true but there is also fact that Muslims in Bosnia call themselves Muslims, not Bosniaks, until '95-'96, and that is very easy to check, for example in any western press article from that time, when Washington agreement was sign, in 1994, or Dayton next year. Muslims signed, not Bosniaks.
@@HistoryHustleAnd Bosniak is also a family name, in Serbia and Croatia. It is not connected only with Muslims.
No , ukrops didn't
Bosnians who joined French Legion of Strangers would be fighting alongside Germans in Algeria and Vietnam I guess.
failed ? do you know how much succesfull battles they led ?
See video.
great stuff Stefan, i am reading a book about Bosnian history, why is Serbian imperial propaganda so similar to Moscow imperial propaganda ?
Ahahahahaha So you read some propaganda ;)
@@nenadnikolic6142 sure serb, sure 😁 tell us more about glory and greatness of your imaginable Muscovite - Serbian empire
First off the word Moscow Imperial propaganda I would not use. I would say communist propaganda. Imperial is mostly linked and associated with capitalism and that Moscow was not.
Second, instead of Serbian imperial propaganda I would use Yugoslav socialist propaganda. To what extent it was similar depends from which time the propaganda was. Under Stalin it was more intense than under his successors. Under Tito in the beginning it was more intense than in the later year.
Similarities can be drawn by looking at how the Partisans (Soviet and Yugoslav Partisans) are being celebrated as heroes and liberated, while it must also be noted they brought terror to people they deemed enemies.
@@adamradziwill Serbia at least had an empire for a short time, that time your ancestors were Serbian or Croatian to ;)
Thanks Stef. I find it surprising that Catholics and Muslims served together as later events would show that these were historically enemies
They were not enemies Croats and Bosnian are literally brothers same race with different religion
Generally bosnians don't like to fight but to say they are not fighters is wrong .. if you can get them motivated enough and cover their demands you will get formidable force ...they still have more goth blood in them then anyone else and we all know what are goths capable...
I have 3 red and 3 grey SS fezzes. Along with 3 SS helmets 😂
Sure u do kid
The close links of the Nazi era and the Palestinian cause also had influence in iraq1942 in the Rashida Ali revolt.. today the concept of judenrein territory for peace is popular in the campuses and streets indeed the essence of the 2 state solution that insists on Jew emptied territory prior to passing it on the Palestinian rule
Ignore history ignore past behavior ignore past slogans and you will be surprised when 3 university presidents in America say that Jewish genocide can be discussed in context.
As always, the topic of the conflict on the Balkan Peninsula is well covered. Bosnians/Bosniaks does not take its roots from ethnonym, but comes from toponym (Bosna River) and denotes a regional name for the Serbian population. Unfortunately, today the regional name is used for the purpose of political manipulation in order to spread the new identity, created during the Ottoman occupation, to territories that do not belong to it.
And Serbs are proto-people who came to Balkans before the beginning of time? Seek help for your delusional narcissism.
That's news for me, but it kind of figures, and doesn't really surprise me.
Except that Bosnian rulers called themselves "Bošnjani" and they made treaties (wars,marriages and pacts) with Servia, Dubrovnik, Croatia and other kingdoms/lands at the time.
If we are Servs, as you say we are, why wouldn't we call ourselves by that name since the very beginning?
Of course your whole Servian (and even Croatian) national rhetoric of today is getting quite tiresome. I honestly can't think of a bigger insult then when you guys tell us that we are members of your nationality.
@@Revanchist Bošnjani is a regional name based on toponym, just like other regional names Rašani, Dukljani (Zetljani), Zahumljani, etc. Read the title of king Stefan Tvrtko I Kotromanić or the correspondence of ruler Matej Ninoslav with Dubrovnik and see for yourself. After all, the new identity is similar to the Turkish identity and has nothing to do with medieval Bosnia and Herzegovina.
@@AMEurope333 Yes it's a regional term, that doesn't make them Servians lol. You still didn't answer my question.
First ever mutiny as well in SS. We Balkans, try to discipline and control us😅 Bosna ponosna!
Interesting region I'd say.
The first ss mutiny was in the 7th ss divison Prinz Eugen that was composed mostly of ethnic Germans from Yugoslavia which can be considered Balkan people I think
@@SurName-u8b Who else. I live in Germany, it's hardly to imagine that German can be rebellious.
@@szakachdekapolna4372 Didn't Germans rebel towards the end of WW1?
@@gumdeo That's correct. But back then they had sense of pride. This today.. Pathetic.
While Serbian / Chetnik atrocities against Bosniaks are a well known fact I have never heard about partisans "terrorizing" Bosniaks or any other ethnic group during WW2. Partisans never burned a Muslim village just for it being Muslim. Serbian Chetniks did it on daily basis. Whole Eastern Bosnia was burning in 1942 just like it did in 1992. Partisans did punish people of all ethnicities, though, if they were collaborating with axis forces - but that's another story and quite complicated to handle since there is so much revisionism these days where people are normalizing Nazis and claiming that communism was actually worse ideology.
Also, I notice that you keep implying that Bosniaks are a religious group and not ethnicity. Bosniaks is a term that had been around before 1993 but it was banned during the two Yugoslav eras and replaced with discriminatory "Muslim" term. So it got its revival in 1993, you could say. The term itself is centuries old, it even has some other forms that date back to medieval times. While the term itself (originating from obvious "Bosnia") originally did apply to all Bosnians, no matter of religion, during 1800s nationalism rising in Europe, many Christians of Bosnia started to identify themselves as "Croats" and "Serbs", depending on their religion. It is from that time that Muslims of Bosnia came to "own" the term as their distinction as they were the only ones who kept identifying themselves to Bosnian origin. With that said - Bosniaks is not religious distinction - it's national / ethnic identity. I'm 100% atheist. But I'm Bosniak.
The only well known fact is that Croats and muslims/Bosniaks created the most brutal nazi state and killed about one million Serbs, hundreds of thousands in most sadistic ways. Your relativization and artificial еqualization in order to falsify history is disgraceful.
@@ShejtanVrbaski The only well known facts are that during NDH Croats and muslims killed about 1 million Serb civilians, hundreds of thousands in the most sadistic ways. Also, term Bosniak is attempt by muslims to claim historicaly Serb land of Bosnia. It is nation formed and based od religion, nation of people who converted to islam during Ottoman empire.
@@justoneserb Get a life, man.
Interesting to read. The Partisans committed terror against anyone they believed to be working for the enemy and thus also Muslims.
@@HistoryHustle wasn't that what I wrote? But the way you put it sounds like Partisans were paranoid war criminals on rampage. I have never heard of them actually wiping out an entire village, but shooting individuals who were put on trial for treason
The Balkans, i say no more.
Ok.
If the narrator would visit Wilhelmshaven they would think he is an Alte U-bootfahrer!
23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian)
was the name of the unit and they called themselves Croats at the time all of them Catholic and Musilm. Opet si promasio.
Your point?
@@HistoryHustle You're wrong.
@@HistoryHustle You're wrong.
Alija sucks, because he supported Amin Al Hussaini.
Alija?
@@HistoryHustleyeah I mean Alija Izetbegovic
Slobodan Milošević was even worse
@@Revanchist and he went to Prison for that, but not Amin Al Hussaini and not Alija
@@bringbackmy90sAlija was on Goli otok
If this region is so special, why have so many people from the Balkans emigrated to my country the UK, with terrible results for us ?
Thats where the loot of the world was and still is. What goes around comes around. Enjoy the sunset.
Because you are selling your democracy as one of the best in the world, but for the hole world would be better that you stayed on your ignorant and arogant island.
@@MarkoKraguljacOdličan odgovor!
@@hrvojevunaric5030
Why you don’t talk about Indians which are ruling Britannia even your president is Indian do you like Indians 😂
Bosna Ponosna! ⚜️🫡🗡🔅
How is the division remembered in Bosnia today?
@HistoryHustle Well perspectives vary significantly based on ethnic and political affiliations. In some Bosniak communities, there is pride associated with the division's legacy, while in others, especially among Bosnian serbs is often viewed negatively as part of a dark chapter in history.My personal opinion is that the division (both Handžar and Kama) were protecting their people,culture,country etc. From chetnik and partisan barbarians.
You live in Germany...
@@sejozwak What is that supposed to mean?
@@Titoist2 where do you live
Sa handžar were response to Chetniks!.
See video.
Bošnjački dječaci su prisilno mobilisani u NDHa vojsku,
Believe so too.
Most Bosnian Muslims were in partisans and fighting against nazism and fascism, so stop spreading lies about Bosnian Muslims! Rather do a video about Croat ustase and Serb cetniks!
Yeah, that is why German command ordered killing 100 Serbs for 1 German soldier. Jews said it best, the only 2 peoples in continental Europe who said NO to nazis and fought against them were Serbs and Russians!
Don’t let your nationalism cloud historical fact, there will always be collaborators of every creed. 500,000 Jews in the Wehrmacht, even.
Already made videos on Ustasha and Chetniks, check the channel before getting emotionally triggered. Thanks.
@@DzontraVolta-of5pq So, that is why nazi command ordered that 100 Serb civilians were to be killed for 1 German soldier?. Jews know best who said "no" to nazis and fought against them.
Само 5% муслимана је било у Партизанима до краја рата.