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(16:38) Just realized that this is the Theatrical Version; there's an extended Director's Cut which reveals why Scotty was so broken-up over that Cadet's death...because they're related, Uncle & Nephew.
I loved your reaction, Jen. "I am and always shall be your friend", that line gets me every time, Jen, such a noble death by, Spock, his selfless sacrifice in saving all of the Enterprise crew. To answer your question, yes, please do the reactions to, 'Star Trek: The Original Series', it was a great series very philosophical and way ahead of its time.
Oh the crying and wailing that went on when this movie first came out. We Trekkers were devastated by Spocks death. 😢😢 I am so glad you have gotten a good background with the original crew. ❤ enjoy your journey with them
Its his perfect delivery of a voice quiver fighting to keep his composure. What a lot of people miss here that is over looked is that Saavik is Vulcan and is not supposed to be emotional, yet even she is crying because of Kirk's eulogy. Edit: Ok! I got it! She's half Romulan. She can show emotion.
Yup, it’s still popular. There’s a theater by me that plays classic movies on midnight on Saturdays. I’ve always went to the Wrath of Khan and it’s always been sold out. Everyone yells ‘KHAAAAAAN!” at that part too. Great times.
@@davidward9737@davidward9737 the point this guy was making totally went over your head lol. His statement had zero to do with Star Wars he was pointing out the fact Star Trek 2 saved the franchise. And if you would have actually bothered to do a little research u would know Paramount started working on a movie in 75 but kept rejecting the script plus getting the main cast to return was proving to be difficult.
@@BrandonTharphorrortownusa lol I didnt have to do research I lived it. I also didnt miss a point. Let me help with what I wrote. You took what I wrote totally out of context. The series was so popular even when it was cancelled the fans clamored to have a movie done. When in 79 the Motion Picture came out it was very cold and not well received. Khan felt more like the original series, with a original series villian and fans loved it. I said people love Star Wars and that tends to get more attention. Trekkies are as big as Star Wars. Big compliment. I'm a diehard fan of both. If you watch Jen's next movies I have comments on those as well and she is on TNG season 3 right now. Hope that clarifies, since you took what I said the wrong way and I can see how, but nothing went over my head. Live long and prosper.
16:28 Hey Jen, in the Director's Cut of this movie, there's a scene that explained why Scotty was so upset about Cadet Preston's death Cadet Preston was Scotty's nephew
Oh, that was only in the Director's Cut? Also, Saavik is half-Romulan/half-Vulcan, mentioned a few times in the novelization. That's _never_ mentioned in the films.
@@TeslaRangerNY it's hinted at that Saavik was Half Romulan, most notably when she says "Damn" in the simulator scenes But otherwise, there's not any mention of her being half Romulan
From watching every Bond film since the beginning to watching essential Original Series Trek episodes before watching this, Jen deserves so much credit for putting so much freaking EFFORT into reacting to stuff and understanding what she's watching!
"He's logic, he's passion, and Kirk's somewhere in the middle." You're dead on, Jen. It's a nice representation of Freud's theory of mind. Bones: Id. Spock: Superego. Kirk: Ego. Xxx
as an adult i realized that the three are really one personality in three different people, it changed the way i viewd the the original series, it makes the story more compelling wen you realize they all come together torepresentthe battle we all face internally.
28:25 Grown men and women wept in theaters during these scenes back in 1982, Jen. (Usually die-hard Trekkers.) It was deeply emotional for millions of fans to see a character we had loved for years go out in such a dignified manner. In fact, Leonard Nimoy had only agreed to do this film if he could have a grand death scene. He had been struggling with the character for years, and he wanted to be done with Spock entirely, at least for a while. He ended up changing his mind and learned to truly embrace Spock once he realized the impact he had on people who passionately identified with Spock. He later wrote about this part of his life and career. Nimoy was a very complex and endlessly fascinating man.
He published an autobiography when he was 44 years old titled "I Am Not Spock." Although it wasn't the rejection of the character that it sounds like, the public was up in arms -- so, twenty years later at 64, he published a second volume: "I Am Spock."
I can’t see the last ten minutes of this movie (or even a reaction to it) without crying. It’s always just a question of when it will hit me, whether it’s when Spock stumbles against the glass after being blinded, when he says “friend”, “live long and prosper”, when Kirk’s voice breaks as he says “human”, or in today’s case, when Scotty begins playing “Amazing Grace”. 😭
Same here , it really gets me when Bones says " Jim I think you had better get down , better hurry " and Kirk looks over to Spocks empty chair and realises something is wrong Shatner and Nimoy are great in this movie and this scene in particular .
I’m glad it’s not just me...I remember being in a theater with everyone sobbing. I always think I can handle it and I’m always wrong. Hopefully that says something good about me. Spock will always be the older brother I never had.
And for the few who went into the theater having heard the story leaks that Spock was going to die, the simulator scene at the very beginning followed by Kirk's quip to Spock of "Aren't you dead?" would have made them second guess the spoilers they'd come across, so when he dies for real, even they got to freak out.
They did a flashback cinema event for the movie last year and I begged my dad to see it. It's honestly like traveling through time when I see older films on the big screen.
Being just a few years shy of 40, I'm starting to appreciate that little character moment we get from Kirk when he mutters "Damn" because he's embarrassed about having to put his reading glasses on in front of the crew.
Being 45, I'm actually not at that point yet. I'm somewhat myopic (nearsighted), so I do wear glasses to see things at a distance, but my close-up vision is still quite good. Give it another 5-10 years and I'll more than likely need bifocals and then I'll be in Kirk's shoes 😂
5:10 - A copy of "Moby Dick" can be seen and later Khan quotes from the book. Khan: "I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" is a variation of Captain Ahab's line, "I'll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" And later "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." is a direct quote.
"Let me show you something that will make you feel young, as when the world was new." Jen: "Huh, she's gonna get naked? Heh." Ha! 😆I'm so glad that you're doing Star Trek. I really look forward to each reaction! James Horner did great with the score, especially considering he had to follow the great Jerry Goldsmith.
Idk if anyone else said anything about this, but the extended version shows that the midshipman who died was Scotty's nephew (his sister's youngest), which is why he took his death so hard. Then again, even without that, it shows Scotty cares deeply for all under his command.
when available,, always pick the Director's cut of pretty much anything...most deletions are only to make it fit predescribed time limits -- and often remove key story details. I get it that theaters have provide for repeat showings, but with home video the door is open to more thorough telling.
@@killersalmon4359 I might have to find a copy of the novelization now. I guess she did not have as great of a control over her emotions as most Vulcans do. But then again, it is said in some apocryphal media that she is half Romulan, so that could be her Romulan side coming out.
"From Hells heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Khan's last words are quoted from Moby Dick and are among the last spoken by Captain Ahab as he dies. Kirk is Khan's Great White Whale, and, like Ahab, he blindly sacrifices everything in the overwhelming but ultimately futile pursuit of revenge.
I'm not sure an intelligent man as Khan who has read Moby Dick to the point he constantly is quoting/paraphrasing it as he pursues Kirk can be said to he doing so "blindly." Its part of the compelling nature, Khan is well aware he's playing out Ahab, but he doesn't care.
A book of the Wrath of Khan points out what edited out of the movie: the cadet who was fatally injured in the first attack by Khan was Scotty’s nephew. That’s why he was so overcome and carried his body to the bridge.
The funny thing about Khan recognizing Chekov is that the latter wasn't actually in Space Seed. Walter Koenig likes to joke that the two met when Chekov cut in line at the men's room.😄 Also,I love the Miranda-Class, aka the Reliant; it's my favorite Star Trek ship design.
In the novelization this is explained. Chekov just wasn't a part of the bridge crew in the first season but he was on board in a lower deck and did encounter Khan at that point.
As per Shatner's book Star Trek Movie Memories, due to cost restraints the interior shots of the Reliant were actually the bridge of the Enterprise with a lot of the "furniture" moved around.
@@granthoule Wow I never read that, but hey... IT WORKS ! ON so many levels. I had read that the ILM Model Shop under the direction of supervising modelmaker Steve Gawley had the vision that the Starfleet Navy would have a unifying design aesthetic which also streamlined fabrication for the Reliant model..
Also, allegedly, Chekov used up all the toilet paper before Khan got in the cubicle, Khan swore he'd never forget him. The Reliant was actually built upside down by accident, the original sketches had the warp engines on the top, but the people who developed the model had the drawing the wrong way up. Still one of the most iconic ships in the series though, although I'm always a Constitution-class man...
This is the reaction I’ve been waiting for, Jen! To answer your question…this movie even though it made slightly less at the box office than ST:TMP was more financially successful because this movie was made for $12 million dollars compared to $44 million for the first film. TWOK was also a huge critical hit. One other thing of note is this is one of the group of the first five movies that Lucasfilm’s Industrial Light & Magic produced special effects for outside of the Star Wars franchise. Those movies were Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dragonslayor, E.T., Star Trek II, and Poltergeist.
Actually it was made for 5 Million Dollars as compared to the 49.5 Million runaway budget of The Motion Picture. Plus an untried Director Harvey Bennet that was very well schooled on low budget film making. Paramount at the time took a huge gamble on The Wraith of Kahn and it paid off. Still one of the best Trek Film's Ever!
I was in my late twenties when I saw this in the theater, and I liked how it addressed Kirk feeling his age from an "appreciating character development" perspective. Now that I'm over 70, I still like it, but it lands a little differently.
I saw ST:WOK in 1982 when I was 10 at the RKO Keith's theater in downtown Flushing, NY. It's my favorite Star Trek, and Kirk's musing about growing old resonates so much more now that I'm 51 and looking back at my life. (Not finished living yet tho!😂)
This film really captured the magic of the television series. The strength of the whole universe is the incredible family. Great reaction, as usual. You're the best.
I have seen this movie countless times with my father since I was 4 and it was always an experience. It is objectively the best scifi movie ever made. Since my father died two years ago, I can't watch it without weeping....And I don't know how to feel about that. I both hope I get over it, and yet...
You shouldn't be conflicted about those feelings. It's something special you and your Dad shared. That's ALWAYS a wonderful thing. Even if it brings the tears. The truly sad time is when you first realize you DIDN'T think about him when you watch this.
@@e.d.2096Great to see your comment here again, Eric. Jen's reaction is earlier tonight so, I can be around longer for a chat. How are things going for you and your sister, Eric?
Shortly after Leonard Nimoy’s passing, During the 2015 Wizard World Comic Con in Raleigh, A group of Bagpipe performers played Amazing Grace while giving the Live Long and Prosper sign. I recommend the documentary “For the Love of Spock” is he’s your favorite character. Nimoy truly lived an amazing life! The source of the Vulcan sign is especially touching!
Too me 4, and especially 6 come close to wrath of Khan, but everyone has an opinion. I feel bad that Ricardo Montabaln (the actor who played Khan) never got more villain roles, or starring roles period, aside from this
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I agree, he's one of my favorite actors, but unfortunately he came from a time that if you weren't white, you wasn't getting a lot of starring roles, that's why his most famous role in a movie came at the end of his career
Some trivia: You might notice that they call Lt. Saavik "Mister Saavik." The filmmakers actually wondered how, in the socially progressive future of Star Trek, female officers should be addressed, and they said that they decided to use the Coast Guard's practice of addressing all officers as "Mister" regardless of gender as their model.
@@Progger11 I remember Capt. Janeway talked about that, and she said something to the effect that she didn't like being called "Mister." When Ensign Harry Kim responded by calling her "Ma'am," she told Harry something like "That'll do in a pinch" indicating it was acceptable though not her most preferred form of address. I think she preferred to be addressed as Captain.
All that was Nicholas Meyer's contribution - he brought much more of an organized military vibe to the uniforms and stuff like "Mister" that apparently Roddenberry had a huge problem with. Gene didn't like that emphasis at all, but Roddenberry was definitely not in the driver's seat for this movie or the ones that followed.
Nimoy wanted out of Star Trek, and so agreed to do this one if Spock died. In part, he was tired of everyone only thinking of him as Spock. He even wrote an autobiography with the title, I Am Not Spock. Later, he came to accept the good of the role, and wrote another book, I Am Spock, and in interviews he pointed out both titles are true.
At the end of "Space Seed," Spock says; " It would be interesting, Captain, to return to that world in a hundred years and to learn what crop has sprung from the seed you planted today." This movie brings a whole new level of gravity to that line, and when I hear it now I think, "You don't want to know, Spock. You don't want to know..."
Spock's death and funeral crushes me every time. Kirk's eulogy is classic and her crying when Vulcans aren't supposed to show emotion. Also it makes me nervous and anxious when Enterprise doesn't raise her shields in time when they encounter Reliant. So looking forward to the rest of the six ❤🙂
Brutal ending to one of the most emotionally potent sequels of all time. Saw this on opening day many moons ago. Yes, it was a big hit when it came out. People wept openly and then some. Stellar reaction of course. Looking forward to what comes next. Live long and prosper Commander. And cheers!
So the young guy that dies that Scotty was carrying was his nephew. In the directors cut, there is a scene during the inspection with Scotty boasting to Kirk about how proud he was of his nephew being a part of the crew of the Enterprise and being the youngest of his sisters children.
as always, Jen comes up with the most intelligent and emotional reactions that you will find anywhere. Plus she is one of the few reactors that listens to and appreciates the music. Bravo Jen! 👏
"The needs of the many..." quote is actually original to this movie! The concept itself definitely predates this of course-- it's basically an element of utilitarian philosophy. Also, the "from Hell's heart I stab at thee" is an Ahab quote from Moby Dick, which maybe indicates that Khan realized in the end the folly of his obsession, or else maybe he just thought it sounded really cool.
I believe it's what Ahab shouts at Moby before he is killed, so Khan is acknowledging his death and the futility of the gesture, but his hatred is so strong he cannot help but waste his last moment on revenge.
Actually when they entered Khan's living quarters there was a copy of Moby Dick on the shelf. Kirk was Khan's white whale. He was so obsessed it cost him everything in the end.
@@LordVolkov Strangely, I now have an image of Gregory Peck wearing a serious hat and attacking a late 1990s pop sensation with a harpoon. And I must thank you for this.
When this premiered at the theater, the audience was Very somber and grown men cried. Spock was an incredible loss. Great Reaction Jen. Can't wait for the rest. Happy Thoughts
It wasn’t unexpected at all. Nimoy had been quite vocal about not wanting to play Spock anymore and had to be talked back into coming back to play the character again after TMP. Producer Harve Bennett promised that they’d kill the character in this film, and even before the film went into production, that news leaked (I remember reading about in Starlog a full year before the film came out - supposedly it was Roddenberry himself who leaked the news because he was very against them killing the character). Supposedly they put the Kobayashi Maru scene at the beginning to throw angry fans off the track and make them think that scene was what the Spock death rumor was all about. My girlfriend at the time refused to see the movie because of the rumor… and doubled down afterwards when she heard it was true once the film came out. And then reportedly Nimoy had so much fun making this film he apparently said at the wrap party that he couldn’t wait to do the next one, which prompted the next film’s premise…
@@LeChaunce I ran this mov first run..only trekkies really had heard the story about nimoy...people leaving the theaters were stunned...I witnessed it personally..the story became more widespread after the release to the more average public...
Not completely unexpected. There was rampant speculation that this would happen. Nicholas Meyer actually had Spock originally dying in the middle of the film, sort of like a surprise one saw in Hitchcock's Psycho. When word got out that Spock would die Meyer realized that the "surprise" of Spock's death would not work and would no longer be a surprise, so he re-wrote the script so that Spock would die at the end of the film.
Simply my favorite Star Trek film ever. A lovely reaction as always, Jen! I saw ST2 for the first time in the summer of 1982 at Pittsburgh's Warner Theater (long since gone). My family and I had just moved here and we were living out of a local hotel while we tried to find housing. My mom and I walked a few blocks down the road into the center of the city to see it. As I've mentioned before, she was the one who introduced me to Trek. Mom was in tears at the funeral scene at the end and I thought it was just because of Spock, but I found out later that the song "Amazing Grace," that Scotty plays on the bagpipes in the end, was what was played at her mom's funeral a few years earlier. This soundtrack! Shortly after I saw the film, my parents bought the LP for me. It was my everything that summer (and was the background for when my brother ran me through the D&D module "Tomb of Horrors," but that's another story). I could go on and on about this movie, but I should mention: * Peter Preston, the young first mate Engineer, whose body Scotty brings to the bridge, is his nephew. In the director's cut there's a scene when Kirk first arrives on the Enterprise (before he gets on the lift), where Scotty refers to Peter as, "My sister's eldest, crazy to get into space," or something. I forget the exact line. * Lots of ship scenes were re-used from "The Motion Picture" including the Enterprise leaving space dock (although Horner's theme over that scene makes it better). TMP didn't sell well and they barely greenlit the sequel, so they tried to save money. * Marla McGivers (from Space Seed) is the wife Khan refers to when he says "they killed 20 of my people, including my beloved wife." * I've done the Kobayashi Maru in the VR game "Star Trek: Bridge Crew." My best is that I saved 29 people before the Enterprise was destroyed. Sorry for the long post but, as mentioned before, I love this film for so many reasons!
Quite possibly the Greatest "Star Trek" of All Time!✌This one truly Set-the-Bar for every other Movie, and lived up to its Name by giving Us one of the Most Unforgettable Villains, by far!👍
@tomhoffman4330 Agreed on that fully ! this is the best o.g TREK film for me and is usually the one even non sci fi fans enjoy . it pays fond tribute to the series and the characters while dealing with issues of aging lifelong resentments /revenge and new beginnings ! geat reaction from JEN she so expressive and i love her insights into the stories . CHEERS .😃
One of my favorite Easter eggs, as a fellow film score enthusiast: At 22:00, the crewman who enters the shot from the corridor on the right and is then closest to the camera -- that's composer James Horner! He was a huge Star Trek fan, and he wanted a cameo. 😊
I didn’t know that. Thanks for pointing that out. James Horner was world class and I miss him. He also did the music for Cocoon - love that soundtrack!
It is many years since I've watched this one, but Spock's death gets me every time. Obviously sending his body to the new Genesis planet leaves the possibilities for resurrection open, but at the time we had no idea if any more movies would be made. As I know the best is yet to come, I'm looking forward to continuing this journey with you Jen. You are becoming a first class star ship commander and know all the jargon. Live long and prosper. xx
Such a good movie, one of my all-time favourites! The director's cut is definitely worth checking out, it adds a little more to the story including why Scotty's so upset about the cadet Peter Preston dying, as in that version it's explained that he's Scotty's nephew.
I cannot agree about the director's cut. The scene where Kirk tells Spock " That man's my son." and Spock says, "Fascinating..." is dreadfully awfully stilted... wished it had forever been left on the cutting room floor.
Hey Jen, great reaction. Yes, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" does originate here with Spock. Throughout the movie, Khan quotes from "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville. A Tale about obsession, revenge, and the destruction they reap. Kirk's literary quotes are from "A tale of two cities" by Charles Dickens. This is the book that Spock gifts Kirk with at the beginning of the film. Composer James Horner also reuses many similar elements from this score in his score for James Cameron's "Aliens." By this point, Leonard Nimoy had tired of playing Spock and flat out refused to return to role when "Star Trek : The motion picture" was still being developed as a sequel television series called "Star Trek phase II." After the release of Star Wars, Paramount decided they would do a feature film, so Nimoy relented and returned for one last time. When the motion picture failed to be the hit that the studio wanted, they gambled on a sequel with more action but a reduced budget. Again, they had to convince Nimoy to return, but this time, he agreed with the caveat that Spock be killed off and that he might get a chance to direct something for Paramount in the future. During the filming, Nimoy became reinvigorated, playing the character. Producer Harve Bennett asked Nimoy if he could come up with something that might leave a door open for a miraculous return. Nimoy improvised a little something that will become obvious in a subsequent film.
Huh. I'd always assumed Spock was quoting someone, when he said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". I just didn't know precisely who he was quoting. Certainly the _idea_ is older than the English language, going back _at least_ to ancient Greek philosophy. The really novel thing, is Kirk's inversion of it, in the next movie.
Seeing Kirk so broken by Spok's death kills me every time. I guess it's not as impactful for people who didn't watch the series, but if you know the characters well it's heartbreaking.
26:55 "He's so poetic". This movie is filled with all sorts of references to Herman Melville's Moby Dick, the greatest novel about revenge to ever be penned. Khan's last words are almost word for word from the novel.The "resting place" speech is Dickens tho.
I've been waiting for this reaction video. When I first saw Star Trek II, I was ten years old, and I didn't get a lot of it. The themes of aging, about actions having consequences, went right over my head. Also, at that time, Fantasy Island was still on TV, and it was VERY strange to see Mr. Roarke playing not only a villain but a terrifying villain. Finally, the earwig scene gave me nightmares for weeks after that. It was a few years before I saw it again from beginning to end, and I started to understand it a lot better, and I was able to appreciate Ricardo Montalban's performance a lot more after seeing "Space Seed." Then I saw it as an adult. Oh God. This one was a gut punch. Now I got it. It wasn't long before this became one of my all-time favorite movies, and it still is. Also, Montalban should have been put up for Best Supporting Actor. A couple of years ago, Star Trek II played in a theater about an hour and a half away. I made a day trip, mainly to see it again. I'd seen it many, many times on TV, and I thought I wouldn't be so emotional seeing it now. Nope. At the end, I was a blubbering mess. This movie still breaks me in two. Kirk's shocked "No", his breaking down when giving the eulogy, David telling him how he's proud to be Kirk's son, and finally, Kirk realizing he can still be young at heart, that he has a lot of years left, they all hit me hard. Again, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Montalban probably would have been nominated in the supporting category if this film had been released in the last ten or twenty years. However, science fiction movies were not taken seriously by the Academy in 1982 (at least not in terms of acting awards).
0:15 Hey Jen, you might have noticed that the Starfleet Uniforms the cast are wearing look a lot different from the first movie The reason for that is pretty simple: In an interview with George Takei (Sulu), he'd described how the Starfleet uniforms in the first movie were designed, stating that they were designed in such a way that the cast couldn't even go to the bathroom to answer mother nature's call without being escorted by members of the costume department, which dismayed the cast so much that they'd swore that they wouldn't make anymore sequels unless the uniform design was changed
Finally it has arrived, I've been waiting for this and wasn't disappointed. The perfect marriage of film and soundtrack in my opinion. Looking forward to the rest of the series and of course "The Wrath of Jen" coming soon hahaha. The best to you, yours, the doggos and the folks in the comments.
If I was stranded forever on a deserted island with a choice of only a handful of movies to watch, this would be one of them I love it so much. And this is coming from someone who has never watched the series...except for Space Seed.
I adore how excited you are watching this. 💙 And yes this was a massive hit when it came out, and still is the marker by which all Star Trek movies are measured. And rightly so.
What a week for you! James Bond died, Spock died and I ain't feeling too good either 😃 Seriously, back in ye olden times when rumours and film trivia usually had to be printed and published first before they reached the other side of the pond, seeing Spock die on the small screen and not knowing what would happen next was quite a shock. I know the whole family was gutted after we saw the movie. Our doggie got a lot of hugs later because we were devastated and needed cuddles! Live long & prosper 🖖
Spock's death being leaked is why they have the fake out at the start and Kirk joke, "Aren't you dead?" so the people who read the rumors (that got spread to fandom by Roddenberry very early) would think it wa a misreading of the opening scene.
RIP Kirstie Alley. Thank you Jen for being one of the few reactors to take on "Star Trek". I am enjoying it greatly 😊😊 James Horner's music scores for "Star Treks 2 and 3" are some of the most beautiful pieces of music to grace the screen.
In the months leading up to this movie's release, rumors flew everywhere about Spock's fate. William Shatner even did a cameo on "Mork and Mindy" as Kirk and - after he beamed up to the ship - Mork shouts, "Wait! Tell me if Spock lives or dies!" The rumors were so pervasive that the opening scene showing Spock getting blown up had everyone convinced that they killed him off right there at the beginning before the reveal that it was merely a test. One last bit of fun the filmmakers had was having Kirk see Spock waiting outside the testing area and asking, "Aren't you dead?"
Aw yeah! My wife isn't home yet, going to put this on the watch later list for tonight. Glad you're enjoying Star Trek and congratulations on finishing Bond!
THANK YOU JEN when you said you enjoyed star trek the motion picture... i thought i was the only one lol. When I was about 4 years old i walked into the living room to see what my mom was watching. There was this big bluish purplish cloud on the screen and i asked "mommy what's that" and she said "this is the beginning of a movie i always wanted to watch. That's this giant energy cloud in space headding straight for earth."...mind BLOWN! On that day a space nerd was born. It was also the first time i was exposed to star trek and sci-fi. I thought it was a fantastic story. But Wrath of Khan, omg, warth of khan
Of the 10 original Star Trek movies I think this was the most iconic and my personal favorite, the next two are really good too but Wrath of Khan is iconic. And yes, it was very successful when it came out.
The line " the needs of the many" is a SPOCK. Wrath of Khan is considered by many fans as THE BEST of Trek. My favorite line is" of all the souls I have known, his was the most human" THE BEST.
Hey! This is by far my favorite Trek movie as well as one of my favorite movies in general. The music is AMAZING!! I saw this when I was just a kid in theaters, all I remember was crying my eyes out at the end! Yes I would love to see the OG episodes here, that would be pretty awesome! Oh BTW Kirk is from Iowa. 💖💖
This is a epic movie! It shows Admiral Kirk facing off against Khan a super human from the 20th century. The space battles between the Enterprise and the Reliant and every time Admiral Kirk outsmarts Khan's so called super intelligence! This is a true classic film. Live long and prosper.
The fact they take the clever, intelligent Khan from Space Seed who was able to turn the whole ship against Kirk and his crew from simply spending a few days reading technical manuals into a dolt who can't even find the shields button on the console is indicative of some of my big negatives about how he is represented in the movie. Obsession and all he should still be smarter than he is often portrayed as in this movie. "He's intelligent but not experienced" is also a rather silly line bearing in mind in Earth's past he conquered a significant amount of the planet. The dumbing down of his character to make him a more maniacal villain is lamentable. But Montalban is still such a good actor he can pull off a great performance even with a part that isn't perfectly written like it was in the original TV episode. Series creator Roddenberry actually expressed the same thoughts about his character in this movie at the time.
We care about what you think about the movie. But damn it, you make us care about what you think of the music. James Horner did a fantastic job here. So glad to see how much you enjoy Star Trek
The question "Aren't you dead?" at 02:45 was a deliberate way to relax the audience and something that EVERYONE laughed at when the film was first released. Before the release of the film, there was rampant speculation that Spock would be killed off in the movie. Many fans were furious about this even though they had not seen the film. So everyone was walking into the movie theater rather tense, wondering when and how Spock was going to die. Nicholas Meyer, the director, knew that fans would not enjoy the film at all until unless he addressed this burning issue right away in the film. So he "killed" Spock at the very beginning, brought him back, and had Kirk joke about it. This gave the audience a nice chuckle -- then they could forget about all the hysteria and just sit back and enjoy the movie -- until Spock was "really" killed off in the end. As Nicholas Meyer put it (I am paraphrasing here) -- "So we thought we would kill Spock in the beginning and fool you so you can relax and enjoy the movie. And then we will fool you again at the end."
@@Cheepchipsable Nimoy HATED making the first movie. It was a miserable experience for him and flatly refused to come back. He eventually agreed on the condition they kill him off and he'd never have to do Star Trek again. however this movie was the opposite he loved it it was just like the old days which made him rethink things.
Not just a great Star Trek movie, but a great science fiction movie in general. Probably the single best Star Trek. Amusingly, the director disliked science fiction and tried to shoot it like a naval drama. 😄
1. BEST of the entire series. Including the new ones. 2. You can hear Chekov's feet hit the wooden deck when he steps off the box when Khan "lowers" him during his capture scene. 3. Kirstie Alley😇 before she gained 150 lbs. 4. I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAN" 5. That's Recardo's real chest😱 6. There's speculation that Khan wouldn't recognize Chekov, but he/Chekov hadn't yet been introduced when "Space Seed" was made. 7. Kirk and Khan never meet face to face. 8. Leonard Nimoy was tired of playing Spock and even though under contract to carry on he agreed only if he could direct the next movie in the series.
This one's widely considered the BEST "Star Trek" movie. The characterizations were wonderful. Shatner's overacting was put to spectacular and touching effect. The funeral at the end... wow, that bit always gets me.
You are finally watching the best (in my opinion) Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan. Ricardo Montalban plays the best villain, he is the perfect level of drama queen. On the death of Spock, I remember seeing it in the theater and when Spock died, many people in the audience were yelling WTF, me included...also many were booing. Within weeks of its release, there was an uprising of trekkies that were pissed, sending letters to Paramount, condemning the killing off of Spock. I think it was only a few weeks before the name of the next film leaked out, Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock....calming down many irate fans. Now you have to watch the next one to see...
Leonard Nimoy had intended for Spock's death to be permanent. He only signed on for this movie when he was promised his character would die. However, he had such a positive experience during filming that he opted for the little hooks at the end to provide a means to return.
Montalbán was a movie star at my house. He also portrayed Armando in the Planet of the Apes film series from the early 1970s, starring in both Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) and Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972). During the 1970s and 1980s, he was a spokesman in automobile advertisements for Chrysler, including those in which he extolled the "rich Corinthian leather" used for the Cordoba's interior.
Yes, Khan's memory is truly terrific - especially given that Walter Koenig (Chekov) didn't join the show until season two, and Space Seed was a season one episode. 😋 It's something that gives us long-time Trekkies a good chuckle. I read an interview with Koenig a few years ago where the subject of that came up. As he read the script, he immediately recognized the error. And said absolutely *nothing* to call attention to it, because he realized he'd probably end up with a much smaller role in the movie as a result. 😆 It's still a great movie, despite this bit of continuity error. 👍 A bit of information for you: Part of the reason for the "death" of Spock at the beginning during the training exercise was to throw the fans off - word had leaked that he was going to die in the movie, and the fans were outraged by it. So the thought was that if Spock was "killed" during the training exercise at the very beginning - including Kirk's "Aren't you dead?" comment afterwards - would fake us out and we'd relax about it, and thus his real death at the end would have that much more of an impact. It worked. 😢 You could hear people in the audience crying during that and the the funeral scene at the end.
It's incorrectly regarded as a goof. The logic is that Chekov was either not a bridge officer or working third rotation/night watch during the first season, and thus was never seen.
@@4u57inc0v3110 Yeah, that's just theory crafting to try to come up with a rationale. It was widely joked about at the time by fans that he must have kept Kkan waiting to use the restroom off camera, and thus annoyed him enough that he would remember him. As I mentioned in my comment that you're replying to, Koenig himself realized the error and said nothing, because he realized that if he had pointed that out, his role in the movie would have been *much* smaller.
Well Jen, your subs and your patreons will tell you this was the absolute best Star Trek Movie! Wrath of Khan has definitely stood the test of time! Enjoy!
This film was a hit. It also saved the franchise. Had this film failed in the theaters, then the franchise might have died in 1982. Instead, we would get 11 more films, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DISCO, PICARD, LD, PRODIGY, SNW, and more to come. Including TOS and TAS, there are over 850 episodes to watch.
Pretty sure I'm not alone when I say I've been looking forward to this one 🎉 those uniforms are spiffy 🙂 embracing your inner British Jen 🙂 I like it , I have cookies 🍪 and a few other snacks to munch on as I watch 👌 only few minutes in and I love how excited you are 🙌 .
Man, i'm so happy you're getting into the Star Trek series of shows/movies. Just realized i'm wearing my Star Trek shirt right now. I'm a classics fan, and Next Gen, but my gf is into all the newer Trek stuff. She has a wall of ST collectibles
I just found out the star field behind the opening credits is actually an accurate representation of flying through our sector of the milky way - The more you know!!! :D
Loving the reaction so far! A few things you might be interested in: a) Khan never saw Chekov in Space Seed. It's a first season episode and he didn't join the cast until season two. Walter Koenig (the actor for Chekov) realized it, but didn't correct them as he thought he'd get a much reduced part :-) b) The music is by James Horner -excellent musician! c) The cadet that dies is Scotty's nephew. That's why he's so broken up. The scene where it's stated is only in the director's edition.
Did you notice the less well known plot hole? Genesis is only described as being capable of creating life on an existing lifeless planet in the Starfleet readout, but when Khan detonates Genesis in the Mutara Nebula: that results in the creation of a new Star with a new planet at just the right distance to have the same end result
@@CraigMcGuinn It's never been clear if the star was created by the Genesis device from the Mutara nebula or if it was already there. I've had a couple ideas about it. It could be the star Regula was orbiting. They didn't go very far from Regula to get in the Mutara nebula, so presumably they're very close to the star that Regula orbits. Another thought is that most nebulas are the result of a star going supernova. It's possible Genesis regenerated the star in addition to the planet. What's happening is definitely outside the intended use of the device (being dropped on a planet), and it's not really explained, though there are a couple possibilities. I like to think there always are... possibilities ;-)
More trek please! Would love to see the part 2 of the original series posted here. The new Star Trek Brave new worlds is amazing as well as the comedy lower decks. Look how long your hair is! It looks amazing. Anyway great episode. One of the greatest sci fi movies ever
Madeline Rhue, who played Lt. Marla McGivers, developed multiple sclerosis. She was wheelchair bound at the time they made "TWOK", so she was written out of the script.
Good movie. Spock is awesome he's definitely my favorite character. I remember watching this movie with my Dad when I was only 7. I love that you're watching orginal Star Trek series and movies. Looking forward to the next one. YES! It be fantastic if you put the 6 bonus orginal Star Trek episodes on TH-cam.
Like the video above if you want to see more Trek!
🖖ORIGINAL SERIES TOP 10: th-cam.com/video/n5G7n89uUcY/w-d-xo.html
🖖STAR TREK Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLQHhQlj8i5drsrCtQd-FDuZZ99vKlPTyZ.html&si=hojRLrZzTtCEoerE
Fun-Fact-of-the-Day: this Movie and I are the same Age...both Born in '82!👍 Also, R.I.P. to Kirstie Alley ("Saavik"), this was Her first Movie role.
(16:38) Just realized that this is the Theatrical Version; there's an extended Director's Cut which reveals why Scotty was so broken-up over that Cadet's death...because they're related, Uncle & Nephew.
I loved your reaction, Jen. "I am and always shall be your friend", that line gets me every time, Jen, such a noble death by, Spock, his selfless sacrifice in saving all of the Enterprise crew.
To answer your question, yes, please do the reactions to, 'Star Trek: The Original Series', it was a great series very philosophical and way ahead of its time.
Parts 2,3 & 4 is basically a trilogy 😊
@@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis. To second you Adam, yes Jen please return to 'The Original Series '
“Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most….human” that line hits me everytime and William Shatner nailed that scene.
This film definitely gives us Shatner at his best.
Yeah, agreed. Easily his best performance, imo.
Oh the crying and wailing that went on when this movie first came out. We Trekkers were devastated by Spocks death. 😢😢 I am so glad you have gotten a good background with the original crew. ❤ enjoy your journey with them
There’s a clip on TH-cam of Leonard Nimoy impersonating WIlliam Shatner doing the “most….human” line. It’s quite amusing.
Its his perfect delivery of a voice quiver fighting to keep his composure. What a lot of people miss here that is over looked is that Saavik is Vulcan and is not supposed to be emotional, yet even she is crying because of Kirk's eulogy.
Edit: Ok! I got it! She's half Romulan. She can show emotion.
“Was this popular when it came out?”
This movie single handedly saved Star Trek. That’s how big it ended up being.
Josh? Yeah the series was so popular it took a number of years to get a movie. Trekkies are as big as Star Wars. I like both
Yup, it’s still popular. There’s a theater by me that plays classic movies on midnight on Saturdays. I’ve always went to the Wrath of Khan and it’s always been sold out. Everyone yells ‘KHAAAAAAN!” at that part too. Great times.
@@davidward9737@davidward9737 the point this guy was making totally went over your head lol. His statement had zero to do with Star Wars he was pointing out the fact Star Trek 2 saved the franchise. And if you would have actually bothered to do a little research u would know Paramount started working on a movie in 75 but kept rejecting the script plus getting the main cast to return was proving to be difficult.
@@BrandonTharphorrortownusa lol I didnt have to do research I lived it. I also didnt miss a point. Let me help with what I wrote. You took what I wrote totally out of context. The series was so popular even when it was cancelled the fans clamored to have a movie done. When in 79 the Motion Picture came out it was very cold and not well received. Khan felt more like the original series, with a original series villian and fans loved it. I said people love Star Wars and that tends to get more attention. Trekkies are as big as Star Wars. Big compliment. I'm a diehard fan of both. If you watch Jen's next movies I have comments on those as well and she is on TNG season 3 right now. Hope that clarifies, since you took what I said the wrong way and I can see how, but nothing went over my head. Live long and prosper.
AND it had a smaller budget because they were concerned it was going to fail.
16:28
Hey Jen, in the Director's Cut of this movie, there's a scene that explained why Scotty was so upset about Cadet Preston's death
Cadet Preston was Scotty's nephew
Oh, that was only in the Director's Cut?
Also, Saavik is half-Romulan/half-Vulcan, mentioned a few times in the novelization. That's _never_ mentioned in the films.
@@TeslaRangerNY it's hinted at that Saavik was Half Romulan, most notably when she says "Damn" in the simulator scenes
But otherwise, there's not any mention of her being half Romulan
@@karlsmith2570 And of course, Robin Curtis pretty much plays her as all Vulcan in the next movie.
From watching every Bond film since the beginning to watching essential Original Series Trek episodes before watching this, Jen deserves so much credit for putting so much freaking EFFORT into reacting to stuff and understanding what she's watching!
Amen to that!👍
I like to think she found a gold mine and is taking inventory . . . .
Cheers to that! 🍻
"He's logic, he's passion, and Kirk's somewhere in the middle." You're dead on, Jen. It's a nice representation of Freud's theory of mind. Bones: Id. Spock: Superego. Kirk: Ego. Xxx
as an adult i realized that the three are really one personality in three different people, it changed the way i viewd the the original series, it makes the story more compelling wen you realize they all come together torepresentthe battle we all face internally.
They also represent the three Aristotelian appeals of Logos, Pathos, and Ethos. Logic (Spock), Emotion (Bones), and Ethics (Kirk).
And Kirk is so much ego.
The way I've heard the trio represented: Spock is intellect, Bones is emotion, and Kirk is action.
28:25 Grown men and women wept in theaters during these scenes back in 1982, Jen. (Usually die-hard Trekkers.) It was deeply emotional for millions of fans to see a character we had loved for years go out in such a dignified manner.
In fact, Leonard Nimoy had only agreed to do this film if he could have a grand death scene. He had been struggling with the character for years, and he wanted to be done with Spock entirely, at least for a while. He ended up changing his mind and learned to truly embrace Spock once he realized the impact he had on people who passionately identified with Spock. He later wrote about this part of his life and career. Nimoy was a very complex and endlessly fascinating man.
He published an autobiography when he was 44 years old titled "I Am Not Spock." Although it wasn't the rejection of the character that it sounds like, the public was up in arms -- so, twenty years later at 64, he published a second volume: "I Am Spock."
If you passionately identify with Spock, you've missed the point.
@@rcrawford42 🤣 Humans. Whaddaya gonna do, right?
*grown nerds
His son did a documentary about him on Netflix "For the Love of Spock"
I can’t see the last ten minutes of this movie (or even a reaction to it) without crying. It’s always just a question of when it will hit me, whether it’s when Spock stumbles against the glass after being blinded, when he says “friend”, “live long and prosper”, when Kirk’s voice breaks as he says “human”, or in today’s case, when Scotty begins playing “Amazing Grace”. 😭
Same here , it really gets me when Bones says " Jim I think you had better get down , better hurry " and Kirk looks over to Spocks empty chair and realises something is wrong Shatner and Nimoy are great in this movie and this scene in particular .
I cried watching Spock's death,again. He was always my favorite Trek character and this is my favorite Trek film.
His death scene always hits me so hard.
They played Amazing Grace at my Grandfather's funeral. It still gets me even to this day.
I’m glad it’s not just me...I remember being in a theater with everyone sobbing. I always think I can handle it and I’m always wrong. Hopefully that says something good about me. Spock will always be the older brother I never had.
Now imagine seeing it live in the theater and not knowing that one of the world's most beloved characters was going to die. Everyone freaked out.
And for the few who went into the theater having heard the story leaks that Spock was going to die, the simulator scene at the very beginning followed by Kirk's quip to Spock of "Aren't you dead?" would have made them second guess the spoilers they'd come across, so when he dies for real, even they got to freak out.
It was shocking, but some of us had hope, given the final scene of the coffin.
They did a flashback cinema event for the movie last year and I begged my dad to see it. It's honestly like traveling through time when I see older films on the big screen.
My dad says that the title of the sequel didn't come out until around 6 months later....Lol, that was *diabolical*
I was 8 lol. A good portion of the theater wept openly when those bagpipes hit.
Being just a few years shy of 40, I'm starting to appreciate that little character moment we get from Kirk when he mutters "Damn" because he's embarrassed about having to put his reading glasses on in front of the crew.
Being 45, I'm actually not at that point yet. I'm somewhat myopic (nearsighted), so I do wear glasses to see things at a distance, but my close-up vision is still quite good. Give it another 5-10 years and I'll more than likely need bifocals and then I'll be in Kirk's shoes 😂
Being a few years PAST 40 and wearing glasses for the first time, yeah. I get it, too. 🥺
5:10 - A copy of "Moby Dick" can be seen and later Khan quotes from the book.
Khan: "I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" is a variation of Captain Ahab's line, "I'll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up!"
And later "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." is a direct quote.
And the book Spock gave Kirk, and Kirk quotes from, is A Tale Of Two Cities.
"Let me show you something that will make you feel young, as when the world was new."
Jen: "Huh, she's gonna get naked? Heh."
Ha! 😆I'm so glad that you're doing Star Trek. I really look forward to each reaction! James Horner did great with the score, especially considering he had to follow the great Jerry Goldsmith.
I got a good laugh when she said that 😂
@@stephanelosier6492 haha SHe has seen so many BONd films withthe "ladies an BOND" gettin it on lol
I couldn't believe She said that...but I Love the way Jen thinks!😍
It's always the quiet ones that turn out to be more freaky. :)
I'm currently looking for woman which would "show me something that will make me feel young, as when the world was new." 😁
Idk if anyone else said anything about this, but the extended version shows that the midshipman who died was Scotty's nephew (his sister's youngest), which is why he took his death so hard. Then again, even without that, it shows Scotty cares deeply for all under his command.
I was actually about to make that same comment, but then I see that you got there first. But yes, either way it's sad.
In the novelization, Saavik is also a mentor to Scotty's nephew, so when he dies, she goes into a room, locks the door, and starts breaking things.
when available,, always pick the Director's cut of pretty much anything...most deletions are only to make it fit predescribed time limits -- and often remove key story details. I get it that theaters have provide for repeat showings, but with home video the door is open to more thorough telling.
@@killersalmon4359 I might have to find a copy of the novelization now. I guess she did not have as great of a control over her emotions as most Vulcans do. But then again, it is said in some apocryphal media that she is half Romulan, so that could be her Romulan side coming out.
The Eulogy given at Spock's fuenral is a highlight of the series and Shatner's best acting.
He is a stellar eugooglist!
The Day that Leonard Nimoy died IRL, I put that scene on and stood tall with a right-hand-salute.😢💔
When I die, my son has permission to say these exact words at my funeral.
Agreed, I think the only time he gave a better performance was in the Mindmeld-Scene in _Search for Spock._
@@tomhoffman4330 AMEN,amigo. Live Long and Prosper
"From Hells heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
Khan's last words are quoted from Moby Dick and are among the last spoken by Captain Ahab as he dies.
Kirk is Khan's Great White Whale, and, like Ahab, he blindly sacrifices everything in the overwhelming but ultimately futile pursuit of revenge.
“If he chest had been a mortar, he would have shot his heart’s hot shell upon it.”
@@ryanhampson673that quote was used by Captain Jean Luc Picard, in "Star Trek: First Contact"
I'm not sure an intelligent man as Khan who has read Moby Dick to the point he constantly is quoting/paraphrasing it as he pursues Kirk can be said to he doing so "blindly." Its part of the compelling nature, Khan is well aware he's playing out Ahab, but he doesn't care.
I think that, basically, Khan is just a big, fat smarty-pants!😡
A book of the Wrath of Khan points out what edited out of the movie: the cadet who was fatally injured in the first attack by Khan was Scotty’s nephew. That’s why he was so overcome and carried his body to the bridge.
That was also in the Directors cut.
The funny thing about Khan recognizing Chekov is that the latter wasn't actually in Space Seed. Walter Koenig likes to joke that the two met when Chekov cut in line at the men's room.😄
Also,I love the Miranda-Class, aka the Reliant; it's my favorite Star Trek ship design.
In the novelization this is explained. Chekov just wasn't a part of the bridge crew in the first season but he was on board in a lower deck and did encounter Khan at that point.
I LOVE the Starfleet ships of this era ! The warp nacelles and the azteking gave the entire fleet a cohesive look that hasn't been matched since IMO
As per Shatner's book Star Trek Movie Memories, due to cost restraints the interior shots of the Reliant were actually the bridge of the Enterprise with a lot of the "furniture" moved around.
@@granthoule Wow I never read that, but hey... IT WORKS ! ON so many levels. I had read that the ILM Model Shop under the direction of supervising modelmaker Steve Gawley had the vision that the Starfleet Navy would have a unifying design aesthetic which also streamlined fabrication for the Reliant model..
Also, allegedly, Chekov used up all the toilet paper before Khan got in the cubicle, Khan swore he'd never forget him.
The Reliant was actually built upside down by accident, the original sketches had the warp engines on the top, but the people who developed the model had the drawing the wrong way up. Still one of the most iconic ships in the series though, although I'm always a Constitution-class man...
This Has Been, And Always Shall Be, The Best Star Trek Movie! :)
Excellent movie. Montalban, Shatner and Nimoy all nailed it.
This is the reaction I’ve been waiting for, Jen! To answer your question…this movie even though it made slightly less at the box office than ST:TMP was more financially successful because this movie was made for $12 million dollars compared to $44 million for the first film. TWOK was also a huge critical hit.
One other thing of note is this is one of the group of the first five movies that Lucasfilm’s Industrial Light & Magic produced special effects for outside of the Star Wars franchise. Those movies were Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dragonslayor, E.T., Star Trek II, and Poltergeist.
And this includes the first completely conputer-generated sequence shown in a movie: the effect of the Genesis transformation of a planet.
Paton Oswald said this movie was made as a kind of appology for the first one. :D
@@SwordmasterKaneand the team that did the Genesis sequence would eventually found Pixar.
Actually it was made for 5 Million Dollars as compared to the 49.5 Million runaway budget of The Motion Picture. Plus an untried Director Harvey Bennet that was very well schooled on low budget film making. Paramount at the time took a huge gamble on The Wraith of Kahn and it paid off. Still one of the best Trek Film's Ever!
Also, this movie was a huge success in VHS sales.
I'm a 54 year old grown ass man, and I still cry every time I watch Spock's death scene...
I was in my late twenties when I saw this in the theater, and I liked how it addressed Kirk feeling his age from an "appreciating character development" perspective. Now that I'm over 70, I still like it, but it lands a little differently.
I saw ST:WOK in 1982 when I was 10 at the RKO Keith's theater in downtown Flushing, NY. It's my favorite Star Trek, and Kirk's musing about growing old resonates so much more now that I'm 51 and looking back at my life. (Not finished living yet tho!😂)
This film really captured the magic of the television series. The strength of the whole universe is the incredible family. Great reaction, as usual. You're the best.
Ricardo Montalban chewing all the scenery, and anything else nearby, is superb.
I have seen this movie countless times with my father since I was 4 and it was always an experience. It is objectively the best scifi movie ever made.
Since my father died two years ago, I can't watch it without weeping....And I don't know how to feel about that. I both hope I get over it, and yet...
You shouldn't be conflicted about those feelings. It's something special you and your Dad shared. That's ALWAYS a wonderful thing. Even if it brings the tears.
The truly sad time is when you first realize you DIDN'T think about him when you watch this.
You never get over death.. It never goes away.
The one EVERY Star Trek fan has been waiting for! A new journey has begun on your channel Jen! 😊 Here for it all. Thanks again, always here...Eric
"Beam Me Up, Eddie!" 😉👍
@@tomhoffman4330 Uh....Eddie?
@@e.d.2096 As in "Mister E.D." (LOL) Just kidding, they always refer to Mister Scott as "Scotty."
@@e.d.2096Great to see your comment here again, Eric.
Jen's reaction is earlier tonight so, I can be around longer for a chat.
How are things going for you and your sister, Eric?
@@tomhoffman4330 ha....ha....haaaa
Shortly after Leonard Nimoy’s passing, During the 2015 Wizard World Comic Con in Raleigh, A group of Bagpipe performers played Amazing Grace while giving the Live Long and Prosper sign. I recommend the documentary “For the Love of Spock” is he’s your favorite character. Nimoy truly lived an amazing life! The source of the Vulcan sign is especially touching!
Easily the best Star trek movie period . Live long and prosper 🖖🏿
You’re better off not even watching any of the sequel movies
@@seanmcmurphy4744 the odd number sequels are good but compared to wrath of Khan their nothing
Too me 4, and especially 6 come close to wrath of Khan, but everyone has an opinion. I feel bad that Ricardo Montabaln (the actor who played Khan) never got more villain roles, or starring roles period, aside from this
@@jasonbledsoe6676 Ricardo Montabaln is a perfect choice to play Khan. And a great actor
@@Godzilla-tu2cd I agree, he's one of my favorite actors, but unfortunately he came from a time that if you weren't white, you wasn't getting a lot of starring roles, that's why his most famous role in a movie came at the end of his career
the music when Kirk is running to engineering at the end... chills every single time.
Some trivia: You might notice that they call Lt. Saavik "Mister Saavik." The filmmakers actually wondered how, in the socially progressive future of Star Trek, female officers should be addressed, and they said that they decided to use the Coast Guard's practice of addressing all officers as "Mister" regardless of gender as their model.
I believe that carries on to TNG.
@@Progger11 I remember Capt. Janeway talked about that, and she said something to the effect that she didn't like being called "Mister." When Ensign Harry Kim responded by calling her "Ma'am," she told Harry something like "That'll do in a pinch" indicating it was acceptable though not her most preferred form of address. I think she preferred to be addressed as Captain.
Good information,I didn't know that,especially the part about the Coast Guard. Truely unique.
Salute the rank, not the person.
All that was Nicholas Meyer's contribution - he brought much more of an organized military vibe to the uniforms and stuff like "Mister" that apparently Roddenberry had a huge problem with. Gene didn't like that emphasis at all, but Roddenberry was definitely not in the driver's seat for this movie or the ones that followed.
When Kirk says "NO" after Spock dies grabs you right in the feels 😭😭
Nimoy wanted out of Star Trek, and so agreed to do this one if Spock died. In part, he was tired of everyone only thinking of him as Spock. He even wrote an autobiography with the title, I Am Not Spock. Later, he came to accept the good of the role, and wrote another book, I Am Spock, and in interviews he pointed out both titles are true.
At the end of "Space Seed," Spock says; " It would be interesting, Captain, to return to that world in a hundred years and to learn what crop has sprung from the seed you planted today."
This movie brings a whole new level of gravity to that line, and when I hear it now I think, "You don't want to know, Spock. You don't want to know..."
For a movie that came out forty years ago and have seen I don't know how many times.... the ending still gets me.
Spock's death and funeral crushes me every time. Kirk's eulogy is classic and her crying when Vulcans aren't supposed to show emotion. Also it makes me nervous and anxious when Enterprise doesn't raise her shields in time when they encounter Reliant. So looking forward to the rest of the six ❤🙂
Crushing is the word for it. Star Trek is very much the opposite of a nihilistic series, so when it puts its back into it the punches hurt far worse.
I always smile when they get back on the enterprise and with the preparation for Battle scenes to then cry with the death of Spock
Seeing Jenn stammer at the realization of Spock's death was hilarious 😂
That little segment was the best reaction ever!
Brutal ending to one of the most emotionally potent sequels of all time. Saw this on opening day many moons ago. Yes, it was a big hit when it came out. People wept openly and then some. Stellar reaction of course. Looking forward to what comes next. Live long and prosper Commander. And cheers!
Love the way Montalban delivered the line, "THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!"
What always gets me is when David tells Kirk that he is proud to be his son. Very good writing and acting. Loved your reaction so much.
So the young guy that dies that Scotty was carrying was his nephew.
In the directors cut, there is a scene during the inspection with Scotty boasting to Kirk about how proud he was of his nephew being a part of the crew of the Enterprise and being the youngest of his sisters children.
as always, Jen comes up with the most intelligent and emotional reactions that you will find anywhere. Plus she is one of the few reactors that listens to and appreciates the music. Bravo Jen! 👏
"The needs of the many..." quote is actually original to this movie! The concept itself definitely predates this of course-- it's basically an element of utilitarian philosophy. Also, the "from Hell's heart I stab at thee" is an Ahab quote from Moby Dick, which maybe indicates that Khan realized in the end the folly of his obsession, or else maybe he just thought it sounded really cool.
I believe it's what Ahab shouts at Moby before he is killed, so Khan is acknowledging his death and the futility of the gesture, but his hatred is so strong he cannot help but waste his last moment on revenge.
He thinks at the time he's going to kill Kirk with the explosion, so even his death will in a sense be worth it to get revenge on JTK.
I believe Khan is obsessed to the end. Of course, it's no coincidence that Chekov finds Moby Dick on the shelf.
Actually when they entered Khan's living quarters there was a copy of Moby Dick on the shelf. Kirk was Khan's white whale.
He was so obsessed it cost him everything in the end.
@@LordVolkov Strangely, I now have an image of Gregory Peck wearing a serious hat and attacking a late 1990s pop sensation with a harpoon. And I must thank you for this.
When this premiered at the theater, the audience was Very somber and grown men cried. Spock was an incredible loss.
Great Reaction Jen. Can't wait for the rest.
Happy Thoughts
I saw this in the theater as a little kid & remember bawling when Spock died. Sheesh, it was traumatic.
Spocks death shocked the world..
It was completely unexpected...so don't feel alone...its amazing how one character can affect so many people..
It wasn’t unexpected at all. Nimoy had been quite vocal about not wanting to play Spock anymore and had to be talked back into coming back to play the character again after TMP. Producer Harve Bennett promised that they’d kill the character in this film, and even before the film went into production, that news leaked (I remember reading about in Starlog a full year before the film came out - supposedly it was Roddenberry himself who leaked the news because he was very against them killing the character). Supposedly they put the Kobayashi Maru scene at the beginning to throw angry fans off the track and make them think that scene was what the Spock death rumor was all about. My girlfriend at the time refused to see the movie because of the rumor… and doubled down afterwards when she heard it was true once the film came out.
And then reportedly Nimoy had so much fun making this film he apparently said at the wrap party that he couldn’t wait to do the next one, which prompted the next film’s premise…
@@LeChaunce I ran this mov first run..only trekkies really had heard the story about nimoy...people leaving the theaters were stunned...I witnessed it personally..the story became more widespread after the release to the more average public...
Not completely unexpected. There was rampant speculation that this would happen. Nicholas Meyer actually had Spock originally dying in the middle of the film, sort of like a surprise one saw in Hitchcock's Psycho. When word got out that Spock would die Meyer realized that the "surprise" of Spock's death would not work and would no longer be a surprise, so he re-wrote the script so that Spock would die at the end of the film.
@christopherthorkon3997 guys...be careful not to give spoilers..Jen hasn't seen these movies..
@@LeChauncespoiler
Simply my favorite Star Trek film ever. A lovely reaction as always, Jen!
I saw ST2 for the first time in the summer of 1982 at Pittsburgh's Warner Theater (long since gone). My family and I had just moved here and we were living out of a local hotel while we tried to find housing. My mom and I walked a few blocks down the road into the center of the city to see it. As I've mentioned before, she was the one who introduced me to Trek.
Mom was in tears at the funeral scene at the end and I thought it was just because of Spock, but I found out later that the song "Amazing Grace," that Scotty plays on the bagpipes in the end, was what was played at her mom's funeral a few years earlier.
This soundtrack! Shortly after I saw the film, my parents bought the LP for me. It was my everything that summer (and was the background for when my brother ran me through the D&D module "Tomb of Horrors," but that's another story).
I could go on and on about this movie, but I should mention:
* Peter Preston, the young first mate Engineer, whose body Scotty brings to the bridge, is his nephew. In the director's cut there's a scene when Kirk first arrives on the Enterprise (before he gets on the lift), where Scotty refers to Peter as, "My sister's eldest, crazy to get into space," or something. I forget the exact line.
* Lots of ship scenes were re-used from "The Motion Picture" including the Enterprise leaving space dock (although Horner's theme over that scene makes it better). TMP didn't sell well and they barely greenlit the sequel, so they tried to save money.
* Marla McGivers (from Space Seed) is the wife Khan refers to when he says "they killed 20 of my people, including my beloved wife."
* I've done the Kobayashi Maru in the VR game "Star Trek: Bridge Crew." My best is that I saved 29 people before the Enterprise was destroyed.
Sorry for the long post but, as mentioned before, I love this film for so many reasons!
I'd like to play that game!
Quite possibly the Greatest "Star Trek" of All Time!✌This one truly Set-the-Bar for every other Movie, and lived up to its Name by giving Us one of the Most Unforgettable Villains, by far!👍
Wait till they getta load of me!
@@e.d.2096 Kickass!
@@Scottie_S Actually 'Batman' 89
@tomhoffman4330 Agreed on that fully ! this is the best o.g TREK film for me and is usually the one even non sci fi fans enjoy . it pays fond tribute to the series and the characters while dealing with issues of aging lifelong resentments /revenge and new beginnings !
geat reaction from JEN she so expressive and i love her insights into the stories .
CHEERS .😃
Ricardo at his best he played Khan so well, probably my favourite performance
One of my favorite Easter eggs, as a fellow film score enthusiast: At 22:00, the crewman who enters the shot from the corridor on the right and is then closest to the camera -- that's composer James Horner! He was a huge Star Trek fan, and he wanted a cameo. 😊
I didn’t know that. Thanks for pointing that out. James Horner was world class and I miss him. He also did the music for Cocoon - love that soundtrack!
It is many years since I've watched this one, but Spock's death gets me every time. Obviously sending his body to the new Genesis planet leaves the possibilities for resurrection open, but at the time we had no idea if any more movies would be made. As I know the best is yet to come, I'm looking forward to continuing this journey with you Jen. You are becoming a first class star ship commander and know all the jargon. Live long and prosper. xx
Such a good movie, one of my all-time favourites! The director's cut is definitely worth checking out, it adds a little more to the story including why Scotty's so upset about the cadet Peter Preston dying, as in that version it's explained that he's Scotty's nephew.
I cannot agree about the director's cut. The scene where Kirk tells Spock " That man's my son." and Spock says, "Fascinating..." is dreadfully awfully stilted... wished it had forever been left on the cutting room floor.
@@paulwalsh2344 fair, Spock’s response there is pretty off but they’ve removed that dialogue from the later versions of the cut.
Hey Jen, great reaction.
Yes, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" does originate here with Spock.
Throughout the movie, Khan quotes from "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville. A Tale about obsession, revenge, and the destruction they reap.
Kirk's literary quotes are from "A tale of two cities" by Charles Dickens. This is the book that Spock gifts Kirk with at the beginning of the film.
Composer James Horner also reuses many similar elements from this score in his score for James Cameron's "Aliens."
By this point, Leonard Nimoy had tired of playing Spock and flat out refused to return to role when "Star Trek : The motion picture" was still being developed as a sequel television series called "Star Trek phase II." After the release of Star Wars, Paramount decided they would do a feature film, so Nimoy relented and returned for one last time.
When the motion picture failed to be the hit that the studio wanted, they gambled on a sequel with more action but a reduced budget. Again, they had to convince Nimoy to return, but this time, he agreed with the caveat that Spock be killed off and that he might get a chance to direct something for Paramount in the future.
During the filming, Nimoy became reinvigorated, playing the character. Producer Harve Bennett asked Nimoy if he could come up with something that might leave a door open for a miraculous return. Nimoy improvised a little something that will become obvious in a subsequent film.
Huh. I'd always assumed Spock was quoting someone, when he said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". I just didn't know precisely who he was quoting. Certainly the _idea_ is older than the English language, going back _at least_ to ancient Greek philosophy.
The really novel thing, is Kirk's inversion of it, in the next movie.
The best of the original series moves.
Thanks, Jen. Your reaction really brought back the feel of seeing this for the first time.
Seeing Kirk so broken by Spok's death kills me every time. I guess it's not as impactful for people who didn't watch the series, but if you know the characters well it's heartbreaking.
Yes this was s BIG hit.... The sobbing in the theater at the climatic moment was deafening 😢
Ricardo, was outstanding in this film, not too much, not too little, just right, and scary
@@HarrisMiller-qw6xh Ricardo Montalbán was incredible as Khan ! In Space Seed and even moreso in The Wrath of Khan !
@@HarrisMiller-qw6xh spoiler... Wth? She hasn't seen the movie
@@raybernal6829 OK, that was not a good move on my part! Sorry about that!😬
@@HarrisMiller-qw6xh I think you should delete the comment 🤔
26:55 "He's so poetic". This movie is filled with all sorts of references to Herman Melville's Moby Dick, the greatest novel about revenge to ever be penned. Khan's last words are almost word for word from the novel.The "resting place" speech is Dickens tho.
I've been waiting for this reaction video.
When I first saw Star Trek II, I was ten years old, and I didn't get a lot of it. The themes of aging, about actions having consequences, went right over my head. Also, at that time, Fantasy Island was still on TV, and it was VERY strange to see Mr. Roarke playing not only a villain but a terrifying villain. Finally, the earwig scene gave me nightmares for weeks after that.
It was a few years before I saw it again from beginning to end, and I started to understand it a lot better, and I was able to appreciate Ricardo Montalban's performance a lot more after seeing "Space Seed."
Then I saw it as an adult.
Oh God.
This one was a gut punch. Now I got it. It wasn't long before this became one of my all-time favorite movies, and it still is. Also, Montalban should have been put up for Best Supporting Actor.
A couple of years ago, Star Trek II played in a theater about an hour and a half away. I made a day trip, mainly to see it again. I'd seen it many, many times on TV, and I thought I wouldn't be so emotional seeing it now. Nope. At the end, I was a blubbering mess. This movie still breaks me in two. Kirk's shocked "No", his breaking down when giving the eulogy, David telling him how he's proud to be Kirk's son, and finally, Kirk realizing he can still be young at heart, that he has a lot of years left, they all hit me hard. Again, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Montalban probably would have been nominated in the supporting category if this film had been released in the last ten or twenty years. However, science fiction movies were not taken seriously by the Academy in 1982 (at least not in terms of acting awards).
I thought it was strange to see the same actor from the Chrysler Cordoba commercials playing the villain in this movie.
@@kd5you1 Rich Corinthian leather.
I saw this on opening weekend in 70MM. At 11 years old. It's so cool to see young people loving this as much as I did.
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Hey Jen, you might have noticed that the Starfleet Uniforms the cast are wearing look a lot different from the first movie
The reason for that is pretty simple:
In an interview with George Takei (Sulu), he'd described how the Starfleet uniforms in the first movie were designed, stating that they were designed in such a way that the cast couldn't even go to the bathroom to answer mother nature's call without being escorted by members of the costume department, which dismayed the cast so much that they'd swore that they wouldn't make anymore sequels unless the uniform design was changed
And that's for the best. These are my favorite Starfleet uniforms in all of Trek history. They're actually _uniform._
Finally it has arrived, I've been waiting for this and wasn't disappointed. The perfect marriage of film and soundtrack in my opinion. Looking forward to the rest of the series and of course "The Wrath of Jen" coming soon hahaha. The best to you, yours, the doggos and the folks in the comments.
If I was stranded forever on a deserted island with a choice of only a handful of movies to watch, this would be one of them I love it so much. And this is coming from someone who has never watched the series...except for Space Seed.
I adore how excited you are watching this. 💙 And yes this was a massive hit when it came out, and still is the marker by which all Star Trek movies are measured. And rightly so.
What a week for you!
James Bond died, Spock died and I ain't feeling too good either 😃
Seriously, back in ye olden times when rumours and film trivia usually had to be printed and published first before they reached the other side of the pond, seeing Spock die on the small screen and not knowing what would happen next was quite a shock.
I know the whole family was gutted after we saw the movie.
Our doggie got a lot of hugs later because we were devastated and needed cuddles!
Live long & prosper 🖖
Spock's death being leaked is why they have the fake out at the start and Kirk joke, "Aren't you dead?" so the people who read the rumors (that got spread to fandom by Roddenberry very early) would think it wa a misreading of the opening scene.
RIP Kirstie Alley. Thank you Jen for being one of the few reactors to take on "Star Trek". I am enjoying it greatly 😊😊 James Horner's music scores for "Star Treks 2 and 3" are some of the most beautiful pieces of music to grace the screen.
Wow.. Somehow I had totally forgotten that she had passed. Still a hard one to believe...
My compliments to your editor on this one. Hit all of the movies marks. Great job. Loved your reaction.
In the months leading up to this movie's release, rumors flew everywhere about Spock's fate. William Shatner even did a cameo on "Mork and Mindy" as Kirk and - after he beamed up to the ship - Mork shouts, "Wait! Tell me if Spock lives or dies!" The rumors were so pervasive that the opening scene showing Spock getting blown up had everyone convinced that they killed him off right there at the beginning before the reveal that it was merely a test. One last bit of fun the filmmakers had was having Kirk see Spock waiting outside the testing area and asking, "Aren't you dead?"
Aw yeah! My wife isn't home yet, going to put this on the watch later list for tonight. Glad you're enjoying Star Trek and congratulations on finishing Bond!
THANK YOU JEN when you said you enjoyed star trek the motion picture... i thought i was the only one lol. When I was about 4 years old i walked into the living room to see what my mom was watching. There was this big bluish purplish cloud on the screen and i asked "mommy what's that" and she said "this is the beginning of a movie i always wanted to watch. That's this giant energy cloud in space headding straight for earth."...mind BLOWN! On that day a space nerd was born. It was also the first time i was exposed to star trek and sci-fi. I thought it was a fantastic story. But Wrath of Khan, omg, warth of khan
Of the 10 original Star Trek movies I think this was the most iconic and my personal favorite, the next two are really good too but Wrath of Khan is iconic. And yes, it was very successful when it came out.
Kahn: "Fire!"
Jen: "Oh crap!"
The line " the needs of the many" is a SPOCK.
Wrath of Khan is considered by many fans as THE BEST of Trek. My favorite line is" of all the souls I have known, his was the most human" THE BEST.
The line is from Spock, but the concept is from Jeremy Bentham.
Hey! This is by far my favorite Trek movie as well as one of my favorite movies in general. The music is AMAZING!! I saw this when I was just a kid in theaters, all I remember was crying my eyes out at the end! Yes I would love to see the OG episodes here, that would be pretty awesome! Oh BTW Kirk is from Iowa. 💖💖
This is a epic movie! It shows Admiral Kirk facing off against Khan a super human from the 20th century. The space battles between the Enterprise and the Reliant and every time Admiral Kirk outsmarts Khan's so called super intelligence! This is a true classic film. Live long and prosper.
He bested him with experience. Which is better that intelligent thought in war.
Jen one last thing Khan's theme was changed a little bit by Horner to do Ripleys theme in Aliens
@@dmichael1172 The Best line is "Sir, our Shields have dropped!" That got a huge laugh from the audience!
@@RichardM1366 I do remember that our audience got a chuckle out of it but I was only 10 so I'm not sure we got a full laugh
The fact they take the clever, intelligent Khan from Space Seed who was able to turn the whole ship against Kirk and his crew from simply spending a few days reading technical manuals into a dolt who can't even find the shields button on the console is indicative of some of my big negatives about how he is represented in the movie. Obsession and all he should still be smarter than he is often portrayed as in this movie. "He's intelligent but not experienced" is also a rather silly line bearing in mind in Earth's past he conquered a significant amount of the planet. The dumbing down of his character to make him a more maniacal villain is lamentable. But Montalban is still such a good actor he can pull off a great performance even with a part that isn't perfectly written like it was in the original TV episode. Series creator Roddenberry actually expressed the same thoughts about his character in this movie at the time.
Jen: "The Enterprise is as much a character on this show as anything else."
Everyone: *shifts gazes nervously
I mean she is right. The Enterprise getting blown up in the next movie was a punch to the gut
We care about what you think about the movie. But damn it, you make us care about what you think of the music. James Horner did a fantastic job here. So glad to see how much you enjoy Star Trek
The question "Aren't you dead?" at 02:45 was a deliberate way to relax the audience and something that EVERYONE laughed at when the film was first released. Before the release of the film, there was rampant speculation that Spock would be killed off in the movie. Many fans were furious about this even though they had not seen the film. So everyone was walking into the movie theater rather tense, wondering when and how Spock was going to die. Nicholas Meyer, the director, knew that fans would not enjoy the film at all until unless he addressed this burning issue right away in the film. So he "killed" Spock at the very beginning, brought him back, and had Kirk joke about it. This gave the audience a nice chuckle -- then they could forget about all the hysteria and just sit back and enjoy the movie -- until Spock was "really" killed off in the end. As Nicholas Meyer put it (I am paraphrasing here) -- "So we thought we would kill Spock in the beginning and fool you so you can relax and enjoy the movie. And then we will fool you again at the end."
Wasn't it over some dispute, Nimoy wanted to direct but they wouldn't let him or something?
@@Cheepchipsable Nimoy HATED making the first movie. It was a miserable experience for him and flatly refused to come back. He eventually agreed on the condition they kill him off and he'd never have to do Star Trek again. however this movie was the opposite he loved it it was just like the old days which made him rethink things.
Not just a great Star Trek movie, but a great science fiction movie in general. Probably the single best Star Trek. Amusingly, the director disliked science fiction and tried to shoot it like a naval drama. 😄
1. BEST of the entire series. Including the new ones.
2. You can hear Chekov's feet hit the wooden deck when he steps off the box
when Khan "lowers" him during his capture scene.
3. Kirstie Alley😇 before she gained 150 lbs.
4. I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAN"
5. That's Recardo's real chest😱
6. There's speculation that Khan wouldn't recognize Chekov, but he/Chekov hadn't yet been introduced when "Space Seed" was made.
7. Kirk and Khan never meet face to face.
8. Leonard Nimoy was tired of playing Spock and even though under contract to carry on he agreed only if he could direct the next movie in the series.
I would love to see the six bonus episodes of Star Trek come to TH-cam.
They asked James Horner to make a maritime-themed, swashbuckling score and man did he come through. What a soundtrack!
This one's widely considered the BEST "Star Trek" movie. The characterizations were wonderful. Shatner's overacting was put to spectacular and touching effect. The funeral at the end... wow, that bit always gets me.
Fun factoid: This was one of the first major uses of CGI in a movie - the Genesis animation in the video file Kirk and gang watches, to be exact.
Still my favorite film of all time, and my favorite film score of all time as well. Glad you seemed to love it as well.
This movie is over 40 years older, and still makes Trekkies and commoners cry. It's a great gateway to the franchise, and a reward for watching TOS.
You are finally watching the best (in my opinion) Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan.
Ricardo Montalban plays the best villain, he is the perfect level of drama queen.
On the death of Spock, I remember seeing it in the theater and when Spock died, many people in the audience were yelling WTF, me included...also many were booing.
Within weeks of its release, there was an uprising of trekkies that were pissed, sending letters to Paramount, condemning the killing off of Spock.
I think it was only a few weeks before the name of the next film leaked out, Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock....calming down many irate fans.
Now you have to watch the next one to see...
Star Trek III is on Patreon now, TH-cam next week!
Leonard Nimoy had intended for Spock's death to be permanent. He only signed on for this movie when he was promised his character would die. However, he had such a positive experience during filming that he opted for the little hooks at the end to provide a means to return.
Montalbán was a movie star at my house. He also portrayed Armando in the Planet of the Apes film series from the early 1970s, starring in both Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) and Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972). During the 1970s and 1980s, he was a spokesman in automobile advertisements for Chrysler, including those in which he extolled the "rich Corinthian leather" used for the Cordoba's interior.
That classic commercial is on TH-cam - th-cam.com/video/tfKHBB4vt4c/w-d-xo.html
And was the lead on the "Fantasy Island" tv show.
Yes, Khan's memory is truly terrific - especially given that Walter Koenig (Chekov) didn't join the show until season two, and Space Seed was a season one episode. 😋 It's something that gives us long-time Trekkies a good chuckle.
I read an interview with Koenig a few years ago where the subject of that came up. As he read the script, he immediately recognized the error. And said absolutely *nothing* to call attention to it, because he realized he'd probably end up with a much smaller role in the movie as a result. 😆
It's still a great movie, despite this bit of continuity error. 👍
A bit of information for you: Part of the reason for the "death" of Spock at the beginning during the training exercise was to throw the fans off - word had leaked that he was going to die in the movie, and the fans were outraged by it. So the thought was that if Spock was "killed" during the training exercise at the very beginning - including Kirk's "Aren't you dead?" comment afterwards - would fake us out and we'd relax about it, and thus his real death at the end would have that much more of an impact. It worked. 😢 You could hear people in the audience crying during that and the the funeral scene at the end.
It's incorrectly regarded as a goof. The logic is that Chekov was either not a bridge officer or working third rotation/night watch during the first season, and thus was never seen.
@@4u57inc0v3110 Yeah, that's just theory crafting to try to come up with a rationale. It was widely joked about at the time by fans that he must have kept Kkan waiting to use the restroom off camera, and thus annoyed him enough that he would remember him. As I mentioned in my comment that you're replying to, Koenig himself realized the error and said nothing, because he realized that if he had pointed that out, his role in the movie would have been *much* smaller.
Well Jen, your subs and your patreons will tell you this was the absolute best Star Trek Movie! Wrath of Khan has definitely stood the test of time! Enjoy!
This film was a hit. It also saved the franchise. Had this film failed in the theaters, then the franchise might have died in 1982. Instead, we would get 11 more films, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DISCO, PICARD, LD, PRODIGY, SNW, and more to come. Including TOS and TAS, there are over 850 episodes to watch.
Pretty sure I'm not alone when I say I've been looking forward to this one 🎉 those uniforms are spiffy 🙂 embracing your inner British Jen 🙂 I like it , I have cookies 🍪 and a few other snacks to munch on as I watch 👌 only few minutes in and I love how excited you are 🙌 .
Man, i'm so happy you're getting into the Star Trek series of shows/movies. Just realized i'm wearing my Star Trek shirt right now. I'm a classics fan, and Next Gen, but my gf is into all the newer Trek stuff. She has a wall of ST collectibles
I just found out the star field behind the opening credits is actually an accurate representation of flying through our sector of the milky way - The more you know!!! :D
Loving the reaction so far! A few things you might be interested in: a) Khan never saw Chekov in Space Seed. It's a first season episode and he didn't join the cast until season two. Walter Koenig (the actor for Chekov) realized it, but didn't correct them as he thought he'd get a much reduced part :-) b) The music is by James Horner -excellent musician! c) The cadet that dies is Scotty's nephew. That's why he's so broken up. The scene where it's stated is only in the director's edition.
I always thought that the probably did realise it, which is why Khan says "I never forget a face" - it's a kind of in-joke.
Did you notice the less well known plot hole? Genesis is only described as being capable of creating life on an existing lifeless planet in the Starfleet readout, but when Khan detonates Genesis in the Mutara Nebula: that results in the creation of a new Star with a new planet at just the right distance to have the same end result
@@CraigMcGuinn It's never been clear if the star was created by the Genesis device from the Mutara nebula or if it was already there. I've had a couple ideas about it. It could be the star Regula was orbiting. They didn't go very far from Regula to get in the Mutara nebula, so presumably they're very close to the star that Regula orbits. Another thought is that most nebulas are the result of a star going supernova. It's possible Genesis regenerated the star in addition to the planet. What's happening is definitely outside the intended use of the device (being dropped on a planet), and it's not really explained, though there are a couple possibilities. I like to think there always are... possibilities ;-)
I hope you enjoyed it, this blew me away the first time(2006) with just the title card/music.
The next one is my personal favorite🖖
I genuinely think Shatner and Montalban should have had Oscar nominations for their roles in this.
More trek please! Would love to see the part 2 of the original series posted here. The new Star Trek Brave new worlds is amazing as well as the comedy lower decks. Look how long your hair is! It looks amazing. Anyway great episode. One of the greatest sci fi movies ever
Madeline Rhue, who played Lt. Marla McGivers, developed multiple sclerosis. She was wheelchair bound at the time they made "TWOK", so she was written out of the script.
I love that you were keying in on the score. It’s 50-60% of the reason this movie works so well. Absolute banger.
Good movie. Spock is awesome he's definitely my favorite character.
I remember watching this movie with my Dad when I was only 7.
I love that you're watching orginal Star Trek series and movies. Looking forward to the next one.
YES! It be fantastic if you put the 6 bonus orginal Star Trek episodes on TH-cam.