I usually take your side.. but I really don't understand your complaints here. 1) The whole argument that the Black Bay line shouldn't hold this piece. Why? Its simply a name.. the watch will stand on its own merits regardless of the name. Call it whatever you want. 2) The case size. 42 x 15mm is very modern and normal. How many people wear 18mm Breitlings.. 20mm Panerais.. It's simply an acceptable size now. And I feel as though its unfair of you to make a comment on the mass without having handled it. 3) The comparison to the Heritage Chrono. I can't understand how you recommend the looks of it without even mentioning the lack of integrated chronograph.. or column wheel.. or vertical clutch. 4) Your comments on the pricing as being astronomical. Thats just blatantly not true. Yes the movement isn't in house per se. but you are getting an integrated chronograph in a proven calibre, with Tudor improvements on top of a 70 hour power reserve, column wheel, vertical clutch and all the anti-magnetism you'd expect from a modern calibre. Overall, while I do realize opinions are just that, I have a hard time listening to this video considering how contrarian you are to the rest of the industry right now. Its a hell of a lot of watch for $5k, and I think a lot of your points are unjustified.
Completely agree. Don't get so hung up by the name. TUDOR can spin it anyway they like. Would it change your mind if it was renamed to the Silver Bay for instance? Your reasoning is idiotic and poor excuse for a video mate.
Exaclty. What is under the hood ? Column Wheel & Vertical Clutch ! Try getting that elsewhere anywhere near that price! And the watch still does look quite good for a chrono sports watch.
I was waiting for my wife in a shop in a shopping mall and decide to walk into a boutique and try this watch on. I took off my Daytona and put this watch on. Wow. It felt great and purchased it. I actually prefer this to the daytona.
The black bay chrono is an absolute horological achievement. The B01 movement with 200m water resistance for 5k. That right there makes it a good buy for anyone who wants horological value at a reasonable price.
ampark09 I completely agree! I just purchased The Black Bay Chrono yesterday and I love it. The build quality and the movement are both amazing. The jeweler I purchased it from was gushing over the watch. I really enjoy it.
Regading the pushers. Do you also dislike the inconsistency of the 1970s Rolex Paul Newman Daytona Oyster? From what I can see they have the same "issue" different crown and pushers design.
I'd like to hear what you think after actually handling the watch, rather than just make a video regurgitating what watch snobs dont like about it. So what if it's a hybrid between chrono and diver watch. I had the option of a speedy or this and after going to AD this was the watch that got me excited. I love it, it's different, it's exceptionally well made and it looks great with a fantastic movement. You had one job, review a watch that you've actually had in your hands. You blew it.
Christian, I beg to differ with you. If you check the specifications on vertical clutch column wheel chronographs they are very tall movements, all in the 15 mm range. This goes for the movement from Breitling which I own in a Chonomat as well as a Seiko NE88 in my Moto Koure MK1. The pushers I agree with you and it looks like they Rush this one to Market, as far as being in the Black Bay line that's what selling and so they tagged another one for that line.
If you haven't seen the watch in the flesh I find it dishonest on your part on calling this video a "Review". Like anything, people review things once they have actual personal experience with them. Otherwise good video and very interesting points. I think the dial looks great even though many dislike the size of the hour snowflake hand and how obtrusive it can be when trying to read the sub-dials. And man, that weird inconsistency pattern with the crown and threaded pushers.. wtf. Like you said, once its seen it cannot be unseen. Cheers.
So the Omega Seamaster 300 Chrono is thicker and I don't see any ranting about that one. Also if you take a minute to actually look the sides of the casing are high polish which the Chrono push buttons are also. What's the problem here?
Totally agree with all of your criticisms. The two knurling patterns is kind of curious for sure... maybe just differentiating the crown from the pushers so you could find them more easily by touch?
Rolex doesn't own Tudor. Rolex and Tudor are both owned by the Hans Wilsdorf foundation. The Tudor chrono uses the Breitling B01 and modifies it (makes it better) for far less money. The BB chrono steel is discontinued. That's makes it a future classic. I've got one and I will never sell it. I love it.
Same here! You got excellent taste :) Ive unsubscribed this channel im only here to watch content on the bb chrono. Vastly overlooked. It would be nice to know how many actually got sold
Coming here years later! Just wanted to say I agree with all your points except the B01 movement - it’s awesome. Honestly, that’s all this watch has going for it though.
Enjoyed the video guys. Just a thought. If instead of reading 'black bay' and thinking 'Submariner' you thought 'Oyster', would the line start to make some sense?
I don't know that I agree with much of what you said (aren't the Planet Oceans--chronograph or not--even thicker?) but I like how you give your no-holds-barred opinion. Nobody has more of an encyclopedic knowledge of watches than "Tim," but in the end he pretty much says every watch is great (and fits his 6 1/2-inch wrist with style and security).
Could the difference of price between the heritage and the black bay chrono ( which is a 400chf) be explained by the fact that Tudor uses an in-house movement (ft.Breitling) with 70h power reserve in the black bay chrono? Anyhow, even though I don’t agree with your opinion on the watch, great video !
Your right about consistency of finish, and the fact that the blackbay name is for divers (chrono is not needed for diving) , but the size is just right . Big for some but it has a purpose, like old pilot watches being huge (faster time acquisition) . If you are driving or timing something then looking at a big dial makes things easier and faster to aquire. It not being a tool watch is another mistake as a tool watch is supposed to be for a certain task and is not for formal occasions, thats what a dress watch is for.
I think the blackbay 36 is more similar to the rolex explorer with its slim and smaller profile. If they called it the blackbay explorer, people would see it differently i think!
Christian, agree with the general direction you are presenting. I think this timepiece is a weird dive/chrono hybrid I would not put my hard-earned for.
I have a black bay blue (ETA rose dial) and I absolutely love it! I do have a problem with how the black bay is being over done by Tudor though! I really wish that rather than making this watch they could have brought back the Tiger Chronograph or continued with the Monte Carlo - any of the cool chrono's from there past!
Agree 100%, make the red writing whiten add a dive bezel in black and have same rendering on the pusher: yeah baby, I would buy it. As it is like it is, thanks no. Good vid, cheers, MISTER B
I thought the Heritage chrono would be too big until I tried it. It fits great. That or the speedie would be choices far ahead of this one. And I love snowflake hands, just not on this one.
Interestingly, this is the first Tudor which has piqued my interest. I think the movement is impressive for the price point, with the 70hr power reserve, column wheel, vertical clutch, silicon hairspring, cosc certified, and 200m depth rating. Who makes a better performing chronograph for a cheaper or even similar price? The black bay line consistency and pusher finish don't personally bother me. I prefer the aesthetic of this to the previous Tudor chronographs, and I like that you get a watch with ties to three outstanding watch brands. The size is roughly the same as my seamaster master coaxial, another amazing movement, which is thick but not a deal breaker considering what's under the hood. I'm not crazy about the snowflake hand, but that's my only real qualm.
Absolutely, he literally rolls his eyes while mentioning the movement that he shortly there after admits he's not schooled on well enough to talk about. Then ironically, he admonishes potential buyers of not taking a close enough look. Subjective personal tastes aside, there's a lot quantitatively and objectively superior about this watch. Isn't it already time to change that hasty opinion Christian?
Considering the Speedmaster passed the NASA qualification tests and the Rolex Cosmograph failed, its interesting that vintage Daytonas are so much more expensive than their Speedy counterparts. I would stick with the Speedy fo rreliability and price
100% agree! Tudor is exploiting the Black Bay concept in everry watch. In the past they really make beautiful chronos like, the Big Block or the Monte Carlos the old and the new one. Why they are doing this?
If it looks like shit and smells like shit, I don't need to taste it! But all jokes aside, If I saw/held the watch and had a change of heart, I would make a video - probably a hands on. No doubt! And yes, I wear my dads GMT.
When I first saw this watch, I really liked it. It has a Daytona vibe. However the closer you look the, more annoying things you see. Like the pusher bezels, the white Date window, the thickness, and the blocky hour hand which obscures the chrono registers. At a $5000 price point there are a lot of other watches that don't require the buyer to accept these annoying issues.
I think you change your mind without a solid reason...the reviewer Christian made his own mind and he is wrong completely... 1. snowflake hand is wonderful to my test and it's part of the DNA design in the black bay line 2. the price is high because you have very outstanding movement. 3. this is no tool watch what or ever, the diameter of a true tool watch supposed to be much more bigger than 41mm, this is a dressy watch that look aesthetically like a tool watch...and because of that it's a fun watch completely.... 4. the "non consistency" only in his mind because he don't like the design of the watch..
Reviewing another watch you've never actually seen IRL. You have a lot of great content on this channel. I just don't get your "watch reviews" of time pieces you've never seen in the steel, let alone worn...
I really want to love this watch. I really do. Plus points are. It is a Tudor, so it is a thing of quality. It has a variation of one of the most sophisticated and most respected chronograph movements inside, courtesy of Breitling. And at this price point, that is pretty impressive. But the minus points far outweigh the plus. The dial execution is simply horrible. They need to ditch the snowflake hour hand, and use something more akin to the Monte Carlo chrono. Plus it just looks dull. Had they gone for a better dial colour, such as grey with black sub dials, or white with black sub dials, I would have had a bit more love for it. Oh, Tudor 😞
This needs to be made with a panda dial [black sub-dials] with simpler, straight hour markers and a red highlight around the dial circumference on a black vintage looking leather strap with deployment buckle - then you have a desirable watch my friend! #Tudor #Chronograph #BlackBay
I've had the fortune to handle the Black Bay Chrono in a pre-release event and agree that it's too thick for my liking. But to be fair, dimension-wise, it's 14.9mm which isn't THAT much thicker than the 14.5mm of Sinn 903 or the 14.3mm of Speedy Pro - yet the latter two doesn't get near as much criticism for its thickness. In fact, some well loved chronos are even thicker than the BB-Chrono, like the Heuer Autavier being 15.6mm and all. I'd say those of us who aren't willing to overlook / accept this thickness simply don't like this watch. I agree it would have been better if they didn't fit the Chrono into the Black Bay range...
If this is a cheap Daytona then BB41 is a cheap submariner and BBGMT is a cheap GMT Pepsi.. no end to it. Got to accept that Tudor is a lower range alternative option for Rolex but that doesn’t mean they are inferior in anyway. In fact, they are solid and robust Swiss quality watches without the crown status for everyday usage.
I agree 100% on this piece. I have held this piece and its far too chunky in terms of thickness. Then you add the overall diameter and it makes it even worse. This could have been soooo awesome with a tachymeter on the dial and a nice smooth bezel. This could have allowed them to decrease the heft a bit.
This BB Chrono confuses me. 1. I'm totally with your criticism 2. A chronograph in a BB Case. What is this? The BB is a dive watch. For me diver and chronos are two different things. It doesn't match. Changing the bezel and drilling two more holes in the case is just lazy. Also from a design perspective, these are different types of watches. So why trying to combine? This thing is like a Frankenwatch. (my opinion) 3. Am I the only one who thinks a chrono can't be a diver at the same time?
Completely agree... Tudor "WILL" always be overshadowed by Rolex. Best buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. I want to like Tudor, but this isn't an in-house movement and feels like a homage to Rolex (I've owned homages and that slight annoyance grows into hate over years).
Honestly Christian I am surprised by how you were able to criticize this piece so much and completely missed one of the worst inconsistencies of this watch. The snowflake hour hand is so big... it covers up most of the subdials at 3 and 9 oclock more MOST of those hours. Like what the hell. A person can't utilize essential functions of their tool watch at certain hours in the day (and to make things worse 9:00am and 3:00pm are right dead in the middle of work hours) That's such an absurd oversight it blows my mind how this product was allowed past prototype.
I 100% agree with what you said, you should have also mentioned that the snowflake hand blocks the subdials all the time, they just added a chrnograph yo the BB they didn’t integrate it with it, this is poor design
This is the first time I've seen--or even heard of--this watch, but I can see that you make an EXCELLENT point. When that ridiculously ornament on the hour and parks itself over your subdial, it'll be like a truck blocking you into your parking spot. That's a deal-breaker.
Agree! It's like the same watch-house idiot was going around from inner-group watch making brand to the other recently screwing up all good taste and elegance that took a century to tune.
I'm not usually a big fan of Chronographs preferring instead the simplicity of a well executed three hander but imo Tudor really hit a homerun with the Home Plate. That brings me on nicely to the piece in question. It's a complete mess. I can understand why the purists are up in arms about it. It has no place being in the Black Bay range. All in all a very strange decision by Tudor.
Very arrogant review of a watch you've never handled???? I looked at it, I handled it, I wore it, I now own it!!! A very cool, great looking watch that is well executed in design with a high quality movement. You are wrong on so many levels. It is modern yet vintage in it's aesthetics that will stand the test of time.
It's such a shame. What Tudor is so good at is going out on a limb and taking risks in a way that Rolex can't do. But instead what they're doing is releasing 100 black bay variants a year. Give me something new!
definitely agree Christian. Having worn the watch, and worn the watch back to back to many other chrono's in the same price range I was little underwhelmed. The dial really lacks any depth. Being completely flat black, it was hoping for some texture changes between the dial and subdials...of which there isn't. The watch is very thick. The lugs are curved in an attempt to reduce the sheer size of the watch...but there is no doubt it is a very thick watch. On a positive note, the price is fantastic, and the movement is robust, but for not much more you are in speedmaster professional territory. I do agree though, Tudor's heritage chrono is a fun watch, but the blackbay isn't as fun.
It seems like Tudor is run by a bunch of confused first year marketers as of recently without a trace of engineering ingenuity. First they replaced perfectly capable stainless for aluminum crown tubes, risking a slow but sure galvanic reaction eating away at the aluminum of their dive watches for anyone who doesn't just desk dive. Stainless Steel (more noble) + Aluminum (less noble) + Saltwater (conductor) = Galvanic Corrosion. Then they've mixed a Tudors modern explorer and a weird Chronograph with a diving bezel into their vintage inspired Heritage Diver lineup confusing future collectors. The only thing these watches have in common is that they share the eventually destructive aluminum crown tube and apparently reuse old stock pushers. This is why I've given up on modern Swiss watches that produce millions of watches every year, to a point where there are more overpriced Rolexes than cheap Seikos. Why I stick to vintage Swiss and modern German. Today's swiss watch industry is desperately heading down a shithole trying to make as much money as they can selling bad product. The fact that Baselworld 2017 was basically filled with reissues and reiterations shows that the industry is losing their shit and don't really believe in themselves anymore and are ready to jump ship while trying to make all the money they can without passion. With Swiss, I refer not to the Independents making watches for the art of it (They're remarkable), but the big known brands of, Rolex (Tudor), Swatch (especially Omega), parts Richemont. Respect to the Germans (Nomos, Sinn, Lange, Mühle) for keeping it affordable and the Swiss (Moser, Claret, MB&F) for keeping it interesting and innovative (although expensive) but grail worthy. Christian's take on the Black Bays is my take on the Swiss. Great video as always
#TudorWatches I try to like Tudor, but every time I look at a Tudor, I just keep thinking that its a cheap Rolex.. or it should be a Rolex. And now David Beckham, just doesn't fit any of it.. And its expensive and strap rivets..
b01 is a thick movement.... why is 15mm here so bad when literally every 7750 based watch is just as thick. Chronomat 41 (ie same watch almost) is 15mm. chronomat 44 is 17mm..... those both are tool sports watches..... so i agree i dont like thick watches, wish 12mm is standard. but that said nothing wears more comfortable than my chronomat 44.... so its not the end all be all dimension
Ya 15 is way to tall! I like to be around 12,13. It's so sad to see a lot of Tudors are too thick. I mean come on Tudor! You put that Pelagos at 13 tall and I'd scoop that up so fast. I like a 40dia but 42dia is max I will go. A tall watch, even a 13.6mm feels and looks like a clock on my wrist. Or a hockey puck.
I’m unsubscribing from you on the fact you criticise a watch based solely on pictures without even holding it. If you had I’m sure your opinion would change as it’s a great watch that grows on you the more you use and wear it. For the money, yes it is expensive but for what you get compared to other top brands and what they offer for the same price this watch is great value for money. Please in future try to review watches in person otherwise why share your opinion as its flawed.
OR in this case it's a tool watch because it makes you look like a tool, amirite? *badumts* But seriously, I agree. It looks like a well-made Franken-Watch and doesn't fit in the line. They should have just integrated into the Heritage category, without the Black Bay additive... and designed it better.
When you said that the North Flag is a better looking watch I understood that the fact that anyone can create a TH-cam channel doesn’t make up for the lack of taste or expertise. You should never talk about a watch you didn’t tried personally, big amateur mistake. And taste is a very personal thing kid.
What planet are you on with this review. Sorry your way off on your observation. Value for money is great .The. Mechanics of the watch is the same as 7500 US dollars watch . It’s deserves a lot more respect. So many others agree with me ..
What a crap feedback - the Black Bay Chronograph is amazing 😉... bring down this TH-camr and time to unsubscribe him. Hold it and you will regret everything you said here ! KnuckleHead
"(...) okay so if you can move beyond the, so okay, okay, so if you can move beyond the in consistant finishing (...)" (6:04) Well I can't on the watch, but neither in the editing department. It's a quick easy edit to remove that stuttering and you didn't and frankly this isn't the first time I seen this bad editing. It screws up the videos pace and makes you sound less credible. Despite that it's a good rant.
Johan! Anna (the editor) here! Thank you for watching this video and for taking the time to respond! Please accept my sincerest apologies for any flow upset that this editing error may have created! As for Christian's credibility, yes, sometimes it may take one or two tries for him to make his point with full clarity and conciseness (very understandable for a long and opinionated video), BUT the argument itself is always sound - I believe that speaks more to credibility than having to restart a sentence once or twice to collect thoughts. I hope you'll understand and continue to enjoy our content!
You shouldn't defend him or apologise, as it's only meant as constructive criticism. Personally i would have edited it out and i think that we have diffrent views on how best to present yourself publicly and professional, but thats totally fine - If we all were the same it would get boring.
A Black Bay . . . . with a date you say? And come on, Black Bay is a tremendously popular line. Someone would've probably been fired for NOT doing this. Companies make funny decisions because people would rather keep their jobs than innovate
I usually take your side.. but I really don't understand your complaints here. 1) The whole argument that the Black Bay line shouldn't hold this piece. Why? Its simply a name.. the watch will stand on its own merits regardless of the name. Call it whatever you want. 2) The case size. 42 x 15mm is very modern and normal. How many people wear 18mm Breitlings.. 20mm Panerais.. It's simply an acceptable size now. And I feel as though its unfair of you to make a comment on the mass without having handled it. 3) The comparison to the Heritage Chrono. I can't understand how you recommend the looks of it without even mentioning the lack of integrated chronograph.. or column wheel.. or vertical clutch. 4) Your comments on the pricing as being astronomical. Thats just blatantly not true. Yes the movement isn't in house per se. but you are getting an integrated chronograph in a proven calibre, with Tudor improvements on top of a 70 hour power reserve, column wheel, vertical clutch and all the anti-magnetism you'd expect from a modern calibre.
Overall, while I do realize opinions are just that, I have a hard time listening to this video considering how contrarian you are to the rest of the industry right now. Its a hell of a lot of watch for $5k, and I think a lot of your points are unjustified.
My thoughts exactly.
Totally agree, a very ignorant and arrogant review.. with no handling of the watch.
Completely agree. Don't get so hung up by the name. TUDOR can spin it anyway they like. Would it change your mind if it was renamed to the Silver Bay for instance? Your reasoning is idiotic and poor excuse for a video mate.
Exaclty. What is under the hood ? Column Wheel & Vertical Clutch ! Try getting that elsewhere anywhere near that price! And the watch still does look quite good for a chrono sports watch.
Oh pls, I will take this Tudor over your 37mm vintage chronograph anyday... 😴
I was waiting for my wife in a shop in a shopping mall and decide to walk into a boutique and try this watch on. I took off my Daytona and put this watch on. Wow. It felt great and purchased it. I actually prefer this to the daytona.
How do you review something you never used?
exactly haha
The black bay chrono is an absolute horological achievement. The B01 movement with 200m water resistance for 5k. That right there makes it a good buy for anyone who wants horological value at a reasonable price.
ampark09 I completely agree! I just purchased The Black Bay Chrono yesterday and I love it. The build quality and the movement are both amazing. The jeweler I purchased it from was gushing over the watch. I really enjoy it.
Regading the pushers. Do you also dislike the inconsistency of the 1970s Rolex Paul Newman Daytona Oyster? From what I can see they have the same "issue" different crown and pushers design.
I'd like to hear what you think after actually handling the watch, rather than just make a video regurgitating what watch snobs dont like about it. So what if it's a hybrid between chrono and diver watch. I had the option of a speedy or this and after going to AD this was the watch that got me excited. I love it, it's different, it's exceptionally well made and it looks great with a fantastic movement. You had one job, review a watch that you've actually had in your hands. You blew it.
I actually quite like the black bay 36. I don't care that it's not a "real diver" because I am not a real diver.
I own this watch and when you have it in person it's a whole difererent watch ⌚
Christian, I beg to differ with you. If you check the specifications on vertical clutch column wheel chronographs they are very tall movements, all in the 15 mm range. This goes for the movement from Breitling which I own in a Chonomat as well as a Seiko NE88 in my Moto Koure MK1. The pushers I agree with you and it looks like they Rush this one to Market, as far as being in the Black Bay line that's what selling and so they tagged another one for that line.
If you haven't seen the watch in the flesh I find it dishonest on your part on calling this video a "Review". Like anything, people review things once they have actual personal experience with them.
Otherwise good video and very interesting points. I think the dial looks great even though many dislike the size of the hour snowflake hand and how obtrusive it can be when trying to read the sub-dials.
And man, that weird inconsistency pattern with the crown and threaded pushers.. wtf. Like you said, once its seen it cannot be unseen.
Cheers.
I think he needs to review this again after handling one
So the Omega Seamaster 300 Chrono is thicker and I don't see any ranting about that one. Also if you take a minute to actually look the sides of the casing are high polish which the Chrono push buttons are also. What's the problem here?
Totally agree with all of your criticisms. The two knurling patterns is kind of curious for sure... maybe just differentiating the crown from the pushers so you could find them more easily by touch?
Rolex doesn't own Tudor. Rolex and Tudor are both owned by the Hans Wilsdorf foundation. The Tudor chrono uses the Breitling B01 and modifies it (makes it better) for far less money. The BB chrono steel is discontinued. That's makes it a future classic. I've got one and I will never sell it. I love it.
Same here! You got excellent taste :) Ive unsubscribed this channel im only here to watch content on the bb chrono. Vastly overlooked. It would be nice to know how many actually got sold
Coming here years later! Just wanted to say I agree with all your points except the B01 movement - it’s awesome. Honestly, that’s all this watch has going for it though.
Enjoyed the video guys. Just a thought. If instead of reading 'black bay' and thinking 'Submariner' you thought 'Oyster', would the line start to make some sense?
I don't know that I agree with much of what you said (aren't the Planet Oceans--chronograph or not--even thicker?) but I like how you give your no-holds-barred opinion.
Nobody has more of an encyclopedic knowledge of watches than "Tim," but in the end he pretty much says every watch is great (and fits his 6 1/2-inch wrist with style and security).
I like Tim, but yes, he says any watch fits his wrist perfectly and most of them don't.
I find it rather surprising you formed all these negative opinions without even seeing the watch in person lol.
Think I'll start doing online holiday reviews of places and hotels I've never been to or stayed at..... Seems to work for this guy and watches 🤔
Could the difference of price between the heritage and the black bay chrono ( which is a 400chf) be explained by the fact that Tudor uses an in-house movement (ft.Breitling) with 70h power reserve in the black bay chrono?
Anyhow, even though I don’t agree with your opinion on the watch, great video !
Your right about consistency of finish, and the fact that the blackbay name is for divers (chrono is not needed for diving) , but the size is just right . Big for some but it has a purpose, like old pilot watches being huge (faster time acquisition) . If you are driving or timing something then looking at a big dial makes things easier and faster to aquire. It not being a tool watch is another mistake as a tool watch is supposed to be for a certain task and is not for formal occasions, thats what a dress watch is for.
I think the blackbay 36 is more similar to the rolex explorer with its slim and smaller profile. If they called it the blackbay explorer, people would see it differently i think!
Watch Collecting Strategy I love the black bay 36 for that very reason
My thought exactly. If only Tudor would issue a ranger in a 36 mm
That's what I was thinking. He said datejust and i was like, what???
Love t and h Christian, but how could you say the bb Chrono is thick compared to the Chrono blue? They are HUGE!
Christian, agree with the general direction you are presenting. I think this timepiece is a weird dive/chrono hybrid I would not put my hard-earned for.
I find it weird for someone to call a video a review when the reviewer in question has never handled the watch....
Has your opinion changed at all? I purchased this watch and I love it.
Reviewing a watch based on pictures. His opinion doesn't matter.
I have a black bay blue (ETA rose dial) and I absolutely love it! I do have a problem with how the black bay is being over done by Tudor though! I really wish that rather than making this watch they could have brought back the Tiger Chronograph or continued with the Monte Carlo - any of the cool chrono's from there past!
A proper Date-Day heritage and a new look Ranger would also be good.
Terry Tudor hell yes! Give us a proper Tudor Ranger Oyster!
Agree 100%, make the red writing whiten add a dive bezel in black and have same rendering on the pusher: yeah baby, I would buy it. As it is like it is, thanks no.
Good vid, cheers, MISTER B
I thought the Heritage chrono would be too big until I tried it. It fits great. That or the speedie would be choices far ahead of this one. And I love snowflake hands, just not on this one.
This could have been such a cool watch. Love the dial, the snowflake hands and the bezel.
Interestingly, this is the first Tudor which has piqued my interest. I think the movement is impressive for the price point, with the 70hr power reserve, column wheel, vertical clutch, silicon hairspring, cosc certified, and 200m depth rating. Who makes a better performing chronograph for a cheaper or even similar price? The black bay line consistency and pusher finish don't personally bother me. I prefer the aesthetic of this to the previous Tudor chronographs, and I like that you get a watch with ties to three outstanding watch brands. The size is roughly the same as my seamaster master coaxial, another amazing movement, which is thick but not a deal breaker considering what's under the hood. I'm not crazy about the snowflake hand, but that's my only real qualm.
Absolutely, he literally rolls his eyes while mentioning the movement that he shortly there after admits he's not schooled on well enough to talk about. Then ironically, he admonishes potential buyers of not taking a close enough look. Subjective personal tastes aside, there's a lot quantitatively and objectively superior about this watch. Isn't it already time to change that hasty opinion Christian?
personally, i would go for the omega speedmaster if i want a chronograph in this range
funny you say that cos I just bought a pre-loved speedy today for half the price. Although a Tudor fan I think vibtage speedy is better value.
I did that just today. I bought a Speedy. Better bang for buck
fuel87 *another Speedmaster
bingo
Considering the Speedmaster passed the NASA qualification tests and the Rolex Cosmograph failed, its interesting that vintage Daytonas are so much more expensive than their Speedy counterparts. I would stick with the Speedy fo rreliability and price
I think it is rather ignorant to pass judgement on something you have never seen, handled, or worn.
This ones not that bad , but I do like the monte carlo better . Don't know why they incorporated into the bb line , as you said .. makes no sense..
How would a watch "hold you back"?
:D
the chrono is absolutely amazing !!??
Agreed the Tudor Heritage Chrono looks nicer, it's cheaper as well.
6:36??!!! How is that a nicer looking watch??
Azael Contreras lol
100% agree! Tudor is exploiting the Black Bay concept in everry watch. In the past they really make beautiful chronos like, the Big Block or the Monte Carlos the old and the new one. Why they are doing this?
Nothing like an opinion about a watch you haven't seen nor held. Aren't you the guy who wears his Dad's watches?
If it looks like shit and smells like shit, I don't need to taste it! But all jokes aside, If I saw/held the watch and had a change of heart, I would make a video - probably a hands on. No doubt! And yes, I wear my dads GMT.
Agree with you, even I'm big Tudor fan.
Never noticed the pushers and crown had different texturing. Now it's all I see. Damnit Christian.
When I first saw this watch, I really liked it. It has a Daytona vibe. However the closer you look the, more annoying things you see. Like the pusher bezels, the white Date window, the thickness, and the blocky hour hand which obscures the chrono registers. At a $5000 price point there are a lot of other watches that don't require the buyer to accept these annoying issues.
I think you change your mind without a solid reason...the reviewer Christian made his own mind and he is wrong completely...
1. snowflake hand is wonderful to my test and it's part of the DNA design in the black bay line
2. the price is high because you have very outstanding movement.
3. this is no tool watch what or ever, the diameter of a true tool watch supposed to be much more bigger than 41mm, this is a dressy watch that look aesthetically like a tool watch...and because of that it's a fun watch completely....
4. the "non consistency" only in his mind because he don't like the design of the watch..
White date window? ?What colour are the hour markers?
Reviewing another watch you've never actually seen IRL. You have a lot of great content on this channel. I just don't get your "watch reviews" of time pieces you've never seen in the steel, let alone worn...
I really want to love this watch. I really do. Plus points are. It is a Tudor, so it is a thing of quality. It has a variation of one of the most sophisticated and most respected chronograph movements inside, courtesy of Breitling. And at this price point, that is pretty impressive. But the minus points far outweigh the plus. The dial execution is simply horrible. They need to ditch the snowflake hour hand, and use something more akin to the Monte Carlo chrono. Plus it just looks dull. Had they gone for a better dial colour, such as grey with black sub dials, or white with black sub dials, I would have had a bit more love for it. Oh, Tudor 😞
Hahah House on the wrist? .... I am used to hear only good words in most of youtube watch reviews ... You deserve a big thumbs up
This needs to be made with a panda dial [black sub-dials] with simpler, straight hour markers and a red highlight around the dial circumference on a black vintage looking leather strap with deployment buckle - then you have a desirable watch my friend! #Tudor #Chronograph #BlackBay
I've had the fortune to handle the Black Bay Chrono in a pre-release event and agree that it's too thick for my liking. But to be fair, dimension-wise, it's 14.9mm which isn't THAT much thicker than the 14.5mm of Sinn 903 or the 14.3mm of Speedy Pro - yet the latter two doesn't get near as much criticism for its thickness. In fact, some well loved chronos are even thicker than the BB-Chrono, like the Heuer Autavier being 15.6mm and all.
I'd say those of us who aren't willing to overlook / accept this thickness simply don't like this watch. I agree it would have been better if they didn't fit the Chrono into the Black Bay range...
Since when is a Speedmaster Professional 14.3mm thick?
If this is a cheap Daytona then BB41 is a cheap submariner and BBGMT is a cheap GMT Pepsi.. no end to it. Got to accept that Tudor is a lower range alternative option for Rolex but that doesn’t mean they are inferior in anyway. In fact, they are solid and robust Swiss quality watches without the crown status for everyday usage.
How can you review a watch without handling it???! So ridiculous
I love this watch, disapointed you dont
I agree 100% on this piece. I have held this piece and its far too chunky in terms of thickness. Then you add the overall diameter and it makes it even worse. This could have been soooo awesome with a tachymeter on the dial and a nice smooth bezel. This could have allowed them to decrease the heft a bit.
They really should have called it a successor to the Aeronaut.
This BB Chrono confuses me.
1. I'm totally with your criticism
2. A chronograph in a BB Case. What is this?
The BB is a dive watch. For me diver and chronos are two different things. It doesn't match.
Changing the bezel and drilling two more holes in the case is just lazy.
Also from a design perspective, these are different types of watches. So why trying to combine?
This thing is like a Frankenwatch. (my opinion)
3. Am I the only one who thinks a chrono can't be a diver at the same time?
You are right
Agreed
Completely agree... Tudor "WILL" always be overshadowed by Rolex. Best buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. I want to like Tudor, but this isn't an in-house movement and feels like a homage to Rolex (I've owned homages and that slight annoyance grows into hate over years).
Honestly Christian I am surprised by how you were able to criticize this piece so much and completely missed one of the worst inconsistencies of this watch. The snowflake hour hand is so big... it covers up most of the subdials at 3 and 9 oclock more MOST of those hours. Like what the hell. A person can't utilize essential functions of their tool watch at certain hours in the day (and to make things worse 9:00am and 3:00pm are right dead in the middle of work hours) That's such an absurd oversight it blows my mind how this product was allowed past prototype.
holy shit youre so right!! What a mess!!
You lose all credibility when you review watches you haven't seen in the metal. Everyone who has handled the watch says the finishing it top notch.
The movement specification of the watch is very impressive. Case design could be improved. Snowflake hand is too obtrusive. Too bad.
little advice: make no review without try the watch you talk about
15mm is not that thick for a chronograph steel, look at the omega sport chrono
I 100% agree with what you said, you should have also mentioned that the snowflake hand blocks the subdials all the time, they just added a chrnograph yo the BB they didn’t integrate it with it, this is poor design
This is the first time I've seen--or even heard of--this watch, but I can see that you make an EXCELLENT point. When that ridiculously ornament on the hour and parks itself over your subdial, it'll be like a truck blocking you into your parking spot. That's a deal-breaker.
Why would you buy one of these over a speedmaster?!
Because of the movement? I own both watches btw.
Who would you limit yourself to 1 chrono?
Who hasn't got a speedy?
And in ten years time once this watch is forgotten people will be saying buy it it's a classic they got so much wrong that its not right!
Its an automatic chronograph dude. Anywhere in the 14mm range is not that damn thick.
Agree! It's like the same watch-house idiot was going around from inner-group watch making brand to the other recently screwing up all good taste and elegance that took a century to tune.
Another great vid
Frankenwatch. Definitely not an example of the "sum of the parts" idiom.
They had one job... but they also had one movement so they couldn’t make it smaller
I'm not usually a big fan of Chronographs preferring instead the simplicity of a well executed three hander but imo Tudor really hit a homerun with the Home Plate. That brings me on nicely to the piece in question. It's a complete mess. I can understand why the purists are up in arms about it. It has no place being in the Black Bay range. All in all a very strange decision by Tudor.
Very arrogant review of a watch you've never handled???? I looked at it, I handled it, I wore it, I now own it!!! A very cool, great looking watch that is well executed in design with a high quality movement. You are wrong on so many levels. It is modern yet vintage in it's aesthetics that will stand the test of time.
I have never heard a worst criticism in my life
It's such a shame. What Tudor is so good at is going out on a limb and taking risks in a way that Rolex can't do. But instead what they're doing is releasing 100 black bay variants a year. Give me something new!
thankgod you said least before the word favourite. hahaha
definitely agree Christian. Having worn the watch, and worn the watch back to back to many other chrono's in the same price range I was little underwhelmed. The dial really lacks any depth. Being completely flat black, it was hoping for some texture changes between the dial and subdials...of which there isn't. The watch is very thick. The lugs are curved in an attempt to reduce the sheer size of the watch...but there is no doubt it is a very thick watch. On a positive note, the price is fantastic, and the movement is robust, but for not much more you are in speedmaster professional territory. I do agree though, Tudor's heritage chrono is a fun watch, but the blackbay isn't as fun.
I love your vids man! Just an observation... If you removed “Ah” from your vocabulary you could do a 10 min vid in about 8 mins.... ;)
How can you make a video about a watch without holding it in person? Especially as you are so passionately slating it. Big miss here.
It seems like Tudor is run by a bunch of confused first year marketers as of recently without a trace of engineering ingenuity.
First they replaced perfectly capable stainless for aluminum crown tubes, risking a slow but sure galvanic reaction eating away at the aluminum of their dive watches for anyone who doesn't just desk dive. Stainless Steel (more noble) + Aluminum (less noble) + Saltwater (conductor) = Galvanic Corrosion.
Then they've mixed a Tudors modern explorer and a weird Chronograph with a diving bezel into their vintage inspired Heritage Diver lineup confusing future collectors.
The only thing these watches have in common is that they share the eventually destructive aluminum crown tube and apparently reuse old stock pushers.
This is why I've given up on modern Swiss watches that produce millions of watches every year, to a point where there are more overpriced Rolexes than cheap Seikos.
Why I stick to vintage Swiss and modern German.
Today's swiss watch industry is desperately heading down a shithole trying to make as much money as they can selling bad product. The fact that Baselworld 2017 was basically filled with reissues and reiterations shows that the industry is losing their shit and don't really believe in themselves anymore and are ready to jump ship while trying to make all the money they can without passion.
With Swiss, I refer not to the Independents making watches for the art of it (They're remarkable), but the big known brands of, Rolex (Tudor), Swatch (especially Omega), parts Richemont.
Respect to the Germans (Nomos, Sinn, Lange, Mühle) for keeping it affordable and the Swiss (Moser, Claret, MB&F) for keeping it interesting and innovative (although expensive) but grail worthy.
Christian's take on the Black Bays is my take on the Swiss.
Great video as always
Hi Chris and Ana. For me, Tudor"s snowflakes hands loocks like a brick, kkk
I have the bronze Tudor. No way I see sticking chrono function on a dive watch. What the fuck? And a date complication? No way.
#TudorWatches I try to like Tudor, but every time I look at a Tudor, I just keep thinking that its a cheap Rolex.. or it should be a Rolex. And now David Beckham, just doesn't fit any of it.. And its expensive and strap rivets..
So buy a rolex then lol.
Your wearing a vintage 2 register Chronograph and bashing a modern 2 register Chronograph..........
b01 is a thick movement.... why is 15mm here so bad when literally every 7750 based watch is just as thick.
Chronomat 41 (ie same watch almost) is 15mm. chronomat 44 is 17mm..... those both are tool sports watches..... so i agree i dont like thick watches, wish 12mm is standard.
but that said nothing wears more comfortable than my chronomat 44.... so its not the end all be all dimension
Ya 15 is way to tall! I like to be around 12,13. It's so sad to see a lot of Tudors are too thick. I mean come on Tudor! You put that Pelagos at 13 tall and I'd scoop that up so fast. I like a 40dia but 42dia is max I will go. A tall watch, even a 13.6mm feels and looks like a clock on my wrist. Or a hockey puck.
I find it hilarious when a criticism of the size of a watch is coming from a guy that probably has a 6" wrist . Eat and hit the gym Jr.
lol
I’m unsubscribing from you on the fact you criticise a watch based solely on pictures without even holding it. If you had I’m sure your opinion would change as it’s a great watch that grows on you the more you use and wear it. For the money, yes it is expensive but for what you get compared to other top brands and what they offer for the same price this watch is great value for money.
Please in future try to review watches in person otherwise why share your opinion as its flawed.
OR in this case it's a tool watch because it makes you look like a tool, amirite? *badumts* But seriously, I agree. It looks like a well-made Franken-Watch and doesn't fit in the line. They should have just integrated into the Heritage category, without the Black Bay additive... and designed it better.
Big snowflake hand fan but it just doesn't work on a chronograph, FAIL IMHO!
When you said that the North Flag is a better looking watch I understood that the fact that anyone can create a TH-cam channel doesn’t make up for the lack of taste or expertise. You should never talk about a watch you didn’t tried personally, big amateur mistake. And taste is a very personal thing kid.
Talking absolute crazy crap here this a fantastic watch.
It’s a black bay because black bays are selling.
What planet are you on with this review.
Sorry your way off on your observation.
Value for money is great .The. Mechanics of the watch is the same as 7500 US dollars watch .
It’s deserves a lot more respect.
So many others agree with me ..
Is it bad that I stare at your wrist more than listening to what you're saying?
Elsamo200 everyone has their particular fetishes eh?
Elsamo200 you're supposed to say No homo after a comment like that.. 🤣
No homo😂
What a crap feedback - the Black Bay Chronograph is amazing 😉... bring down this TH-camr and time to unsubscribe him. Hold it and you will regret everything you said here ! KnuckleHead
Your reviews are not acceptable. Your not even hands on the watch. I prever TGV’s review, very objective.
Poor comments.
"(...) okay so if you can move beyond the, so okay, okay, so if you can move beyond the in consistant finishing (...)" (6:04) Well I can't on the watch, but neither in the editing department. It's a quick easy edit to remove that stuttering and you didn't and frankly this isn't the first time I seen this bad editing. It screws up the videos pace and makes you sound less credible. Despite that it's a good rant.
Johan B Hansen really don't think it's a big deal he's human. I want someone real selling me a watch
Johan! Anna (the editor) here! Thank you for watching this video and for taking the time to respond! Please accept my sincerest apologies for any flow upset that this editing error may have created! As for Christian's credibility, yes, sometimes it may take one or two tries for him to make his point with full clarity and conciseness (very understandable for a long and opinionated video), BUT the argument itself is always sound - I believe that speaks more to credibility than having to restart a sentence once or twice to collect thoughts. I hope you'll understand and continue to enjoy our content!
You shouldn't defend him or apologise, as it's only meant as constructive criticism. Personally i would have edited it out and i think that we have diffrent views on how best to present yourself publicly and professional, but thats totally fine - If we all were the same it would get boring.
A Black Bay . . . . with a date you say? And come on, Black Bay is a tremendously popular line. Someone would've probably been fired for NOT doing this. Companies make funny decisions because people would rather keep their jobs than innovate
so where's the fuckin' watch?