Hey everyone! I wanted to have this video (and the others that go with it) up yesterday, but I am continuing to have massive problems with the video editing software that I use. I will do my best to get the next vids out ASAP because making this one was really fun, but be prepared for there to be a bit of a possible delay. Also don't be surprised if I completely switch up the look of my vids if I can't get the rendering software to work. Just wanted to let everyone know. Hope you enjoy! PS: Ignore the hand at the end of the video. That little guy likes to sneak into places he shouldn't be.
Oh lord ! It’s like therapy .... we’ve been traumatized by the nonsense and to hear the story even a little bit retold with some sense narrated into it is just .....~ Syd sits down and breathes a deep sigh of relief Now if there was just a little bit of light in there too ... a visual of the sheer magnitude of the forces that were so questionably lined up outside the walls somewhere in the dark there ... or a visual of the sheer magnitude of the white walker army ... even for a second ... would have done incredible things for the whole thing too ... I think it’s the wasted potential ... no sane person can manage to wrap their heads around it as yet ... such unimaginable potential ... and never mind fixing the fact that the night king should have won battle after battle plunging the entire realm into darkness and desperation before any chance of eliminating him was possible ... but the fact that just these few little tweaks makes it so dramatically more plausible and satisfying and eliminates a multitude of sins .... it just says it all doesn’t it ....thanks for the therapy ... much needed !
I have a question for you.... Who is the story's real antogonist/villian? Hint, it's not the white walks or the night king. It's not even cersi. It's Peter Baelish. Take a look at the "chaos is a ladder" speech. It's the only lines in the story that reveal that they are all humans just like is fighting everyday to be on top. There is no fantasy world of heros and villians. There are no good guys. THIS threatens to break the world we love. However, with baelish gone, we no longer have a true antagonistic. The best why to make the story better is to not have killed Baelish.
"Unadulterated fanfiction wearing the sagging skin suit of the show I once loved" Damn man you live up to your channel's name. And still I cannot agree more.
They should have started the long night in season 7. They should have manned the wall and lost the fight and retreated. They should have defended winterfell and lost. The army of dead should have kept on winning battles and main characters should have lost faith and lives too. Only after all this the solution should have been found. A revelation about the night king. The war should have been unwinnable.
and the battle should have been won only thanks to bran doing his magic to the king, nothing physical should have been able to outstand those creatures
The hell are you talking about lol, Being a guy who is clearly not a warrior, hasnt been in any actual fight in his life (Castle Black he was always hiding, and he was close to battle but never holded a sword) and the fist of the first men he literally crawled up like a ball and the white walkers let him go. And he still took a couple of daggers, and went TO THE FRONTLINE. He shouldnt have done any of it, he actually is to blame for Eds Death casue due to him being an inexperienced warrior he had to be taken care of. This only proves how brave he has become, and how much he actually wanted to fight, to do something instead of always being left behind in the safe place. But ofc, he aint jon, someone that was trained since childhood to be a warrior. If you are talking about the last scene when he was crying while still fighting and killing wights well. He was scared, but his character aint ruined, is just what it is.
Alejandro. I had ‘coward’ in quotation marks to indicate that I don’t think him cowardly on the whole. But, part of what made his storyline engaging was him rising to the challenges posed to him, not erring when it matters. So I feel this episode did him a disservice
@@erynjose6675 I do understand your point, Not saying that you are wrong but I stand by my opinion, i do this cause i would be crying too if i were surrounded by dead people in a 100% lose battle and my best friend just kinda dropped me a "Seen" and kept running lol
@Alejandro Nidoghh Your thinking sounds solid, glad we agree to disagree haha. Yes haha, I was mostly thinking of Edd, Jon running past would have knocked the wind out of me too
Completely agree. He has regressed to that typical nerd who can barely string a sentence together. Look at Varys in comparison, he is no warrior but def no coward either. Really thought Sam was going to be a more authoritative character after his few moments of courage. Sure he has a wife in Gilly but she is def wearing the pants in that relationship. A real missed opportunity, one of a million.
It makes me laugh to hear your hatred because I feel the same way. Your glowing optimism of the new season in your previous video to the rage that came next is the definition of relatable. The only good that has come from GoT is sharing in the anger with other fans. The white walkers failed in their siege on Winterfell but they certainly brought the long night to Game of Thrones. They managed to destroy the whole world that is GoT in the most meta way possible. Well done NK
1-4 seasons are great, no question, and if they're not - that's on Martin. Season 5 - you feel deviation from Martin's work, but still pretty good and intesting. Season 6 - quality goes down. By GoT standards it's poor, but still okay by general Fantasy standards. Season 7 - bad. But there's hope for an epic conclusion. Season 8 - give me something for the pain and let me die
"The main characters in the source material must have been freebasing paint thinner not to realize that a crypt full of corpses might be in need of protection when facing off against a Lich King" 😂😂😂
I keep thinking that Night King got killed way too easily, i mean one stab killed him, even that; what was the name, knife/dagger. I am happy Arya survived that attack since she was my favorite character in entire serie, but still.
“I chose to edit because (a) the main characters in this horse material must’ve been free basing on paint thinner..” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☹️😂😭😭😭 The commentary in this video is the best thing I’ve heard on the internet today!
Theon begging to fight in the crypts feels sort of...regressive to me. Don't get me wrong, him fighting until his redeemable death in the show was handled predictably cliched and without weight, but it was somewhat necessary for both his in canon character and the audience's perception. Theon has ran away from his problems more than once, and let the people he loved into the jaws of their enemies, all seemingly to save his own skin - granted, this is most likely more because he has PTSD and cannot handle conflict, but it nevertheless strikes this way to Theon in the way he talks about it, as well as to everybody else who knows him. He felt the need to be on the frontlines to right that wrong, and though he cares for Sansa, staying in the crypts would be seen as the safe option and would likely lend his character arc a lot less favorably. At this point Theon is more than ready to fight and die for the Starks, because its what he knows his place to be; fighting for those he loves, and retributing the pain he's inflicted upon them. This entails defending Winterfell, not its guarded crypts, but doing the most he can to ensure every Stark lives, the White Walkers are defeated, Bran - the key to the battle - staying alive.
There are only two corpses in the crypts; Brandon and Lyanna. All the other Starks would just be bones by now. Besides how the hell can corpses break out of stone tombs when one couldn't break out of a wooden crate?
I really like the edits. Its unfortunate so many watch this show with their brain turned off and then turn around to shame those that dared to disagree. The audacity they show by asking for plot nuance, pay offs and just general things you want from good storytelling.
I tried doing a similar exercise but with focus on the order of the shots in each scene. There was definitely thought put into the episode. That's clear in the shot composition/blocking. But there were also some strange choices, which I'm (maybe) too inexperienced to understand. For example, the beats of the battle don't seem very well-defined. Parts of it keep going much longer without a clear change of pace, then subsequent scenes don't seem to follow from what came before, and the camera lingers for longer on some shots than would conventionally make sense. Like it's putting the emphasis in the wrong places. It made the episode feel unfocused to me and the battle was genuinely the boring bit. Anything to help me understand would be grand. Look forward to your take!
So far so good. Can’t wait to see the other changes. I found your channel & content just last week and really dig it, especially the Thrones stuff. Keep it up and good luck!
Agree that the battle of winterfell was stupid af. I was so annoyed by some eh characters being overrun and dying but the main characters surviving somehow even tho the same thing happened to them. The ending of that episode was pretty stupid and anticlimactic, too. So all in all, a pretty bad episode. Probably one of the worst in the whole show
From a technical POV I think this was brilliantly shot (even though in post they darkened the crap out of it) but from a writing sense it didn’t make sense. Why do the Dothraki charge? I get it’s to have a badass moment but I mean it’s pretty much suicide if you’re riding into an enemy who you can see. And having all of the army in front of the trenches defeat the purpose of a trench in the first place why not have the army behind them allowing the trebuchets to light the battlefield while also killing incoming wights instead of being used just once. Or better just have the whole army inside the castle helms deep style and go from their. Then you could have the dragons lighting up any incoming eights to destroy them.
Brad Nation i agree, but the worst part was how arya killed the night king just like that. Everyone was dying and everything looked lost but then arya basically just stabs him in the back. With that they completely ended the white walkers and the supposed climax that was built up over the last season is cut drastically short. Nothing more anticlimactic couldve even happened. I did not get why they would even include the scene of drogon trying to kill the night king if the guy was just about to be killed by arya anyway. The episode just felt all over the place and like you said for the 'smart' people they have to be this bad at planning a battle just doesnt make sense.
@@bradleyjacinto7732 The charge is a gamble. Its a roll of the dice to see if they can flush the Night King out. Notice how Dany and Jon are watching from above with the dragons? Its because they are waiting for the Night King. If the charge actually brought out the Night King then the potential lives it saves is literally everyone else on the battlefield. It isn't stupid and it is the best way to use the calvery when the one and only win condition is kill the Night King.
@@bradleyjacinto7732 I realize I'm months late to the party here, but Invicta, a history channel, did a great video on better tactics and strategy for the Battle of Winterfell. th-cam.com/video/EA5mJRFaI8c/w-d-xo.html
I honestly thought the army of the dead would be too much for the army at Winterfell and they would most probably have to retreat while the army of the dead would have continued south towards King's Landing, this wouldat least have given some consequences to Cersei not joining the fight and the whole thematic core of the series wouldn't have been so ridiculously easily set aside.
So far so good with the rewrite! Having Jon emphasize killing the White Walkers -- and taking the *best fighters* off of the front lines -- are nice touches that Those Who Shall Not Be Named really should have thought about. It's already looking better than the source episode -- which might not be the highest bar to clear, but still. And bonus points for what looks to be a That Guy T cameo with the bleach! (If you just happened to pick a photo of a random dude drinking bleach....um, nevermind! :-D)
Duh! If a White Walker dies, ALL the wights he has made die with him. You'll loose thousands of wights if just ONE of the White Walkers is killed. Haven't you watched season 7, Beyond The Wall ??? There's no reason to expose your generals if you have expendable troops that can do the job just fine. Mabe you should pay attention to the show instead of nitpicking.
I always thought the Starks had such big tombstones and “coffins” made of stone was to prevent any resurrected dead from getting out and hurting people. I realize now that was just some head-canon I had thought, but I still think it makes since with Northern history since the Northerns seem to know that burning people’s bodies is the right thing to do.
*I swear to fuck if you have Arya kill NK in your "fixed version", I'll swear even more about it. That is Jon's arc, Arya had nothing to do with it until literally this episode, and having her be the one to make that kill is right at the core of what was wrong with this episode - and this season in general.*
My first scene would be Jonh burning all the starks in the crypt, symbolising the end of the show. Why didn't they do that, such a powerful scene. And you can pay it off when John will burn his friends after the battle
@@tedarcher9120 the main point of the design of a keep _IS_ to be easily defended with layers of chokepoints. The crypts have 1 (that didn't even have a door in the show) with nothing to fall back to and a bunch of dead bodies to raise.
You did miss one important thing: the army should defend from inside the walls not in front of the walls. That is the whole point of castles! Watching a siege in Lord of the Rings is a the very best example on how castle walls are strategic.
So far, I'm not entirely sure how would this work on screen. It would make more sense, of course, but it would be probably just as cringy as the original. Better to scrap the entire episode/season. Barring that, I would forgo fixing the episode and would just focus on fixing on the final scene (Jon somehow making to the Night King's guard and engaging them - that would give Arya an opening).
The only thing that needs to be fixed is that the Night king wins the Battle Of Winterfell. Any complaints about the Battle would cease to exist since in reality every complaint stems from the fact that the Night King was snoked. Fix that and suddenly people would declare this as a masterpiece episode. For kicks I would even brighten the cinematography to make sure people could see what was happening.
Link Journey I think they should have started the long night and The Great War since the wall was fallen down and defeat the Dead at Winterfell because Winterfell=Winter falls= Winter ends(the WW die)
I think the symbolism behind killing of the night king is that humans will solve the problems against humanity by sticking together, but won't be able to solve their inner problems ever. There will always be conflicts as to who will lead them.
Someone might have thought of it but in your edit you could have made the reason Dany wants Sam in the crypts because she doesnt want to be resonsible for wiping out his family.
Infantry and cavalry outside of the walls. No recon. Dothraki frontal assault..stupid. No archers ready. Everyone outside of the walls? Dragons make few fly bys and then stop. Arya "air bud" Stark kills the biggest villain in the dumbest fan boi way ever. Jon Snow screams at a dragon. Dumbest writing and battle planning ever.
Its actually brilliant battle planning because there is no defeating the army of the dead no matter how well of a defense you set up. The one and only way that victory was to be acheived is by killing the Night King and every battle decision was to identify his location or pull him into a vulnerable location.
@@operationNOBO You still don't understand there is only absolute defeat if you don't lure the Night King out and kill him. A defensive castle hold would only ensure he won't make himself vulnerable because no matter how good a defense you mount you will not defeat the army of the dead considering its size.
They made Sam and the Hound regress into coward's who overcame nothing. It would have been awful to kill them off then because they would both die with no growth. I like the edit so far, makes Bran more useful as his plot is parallel to Jon's. Both were fated to lead the fight against the Night king during the long night.
Thank you. Please rewrite this so that it makes some sort of sense. If they were going to begin with the first prologue from the first book, why destroy it? Melisandre was hiding out in a cave in the North. Does anyone remember that in episode one that Tormund Giantsbane reminds Ed that he has always had blue eyes. Will be looking out for your next video.
I actually thought they were going to lose the battle, it's funny you say that as your first point because I agree I thought what was gonna happen is they were gonna be overrun, like 50% of the main characters would be dead and they'd be forced to retreat South. I thought we'd see another battle with the army of the dead with a Cersei who maybe is like "Oh shit the dead may actually make it to King's Landing after all" and then even the Golden Company and all the living realize "our factions don't mean shit as long as this Night King guy is alive" so the living ALL unite to fight this one guy they wouldn't be able to defeat alone. I also thought it was a shame that Jon didn't even fight the Night King. Not once. Ever. In the entirety of the show. If they HAD to have Arya get the killing blow in Episode 3, make it something that was to save Jon who was otherwise on his last leg, the entire way they did it would've worked if they made it like a tag-team thing otherwise it just made the Night King look like a bitch.
I really wished they had the night king make it to Cersei. I was shocked that he didn't because in season 7 Jon, Daenerys and Tyrion made a truce with cersei because they thought they needed everyone's help defeating the dead so when the lannister army didn't show it should've made our heroes lose and have to retreat south but when it didn't it made season 7 irrelevant.
I don't even agree that everyone should be in the courtyard or crypt but you are accounting for the fact the crypt would have a whole host to raise as undead so I'm willing to hear the rest of this out. You definitely are putting more thought into this than D and D so you might be putting more efficient effort into this as well. (sam character interactions are also well thought out)
What is with people fixing game of thrones and sonic but not my marriage? Like just rewrite it to make my life look better. I wish I never chronically pissed my pants because it stank up the house so much.
Am I in a hole or does everyone unanimously have problems with episode 3? These arguments of a better story are so much better than what we got. The whole time I was hoping the night king wasn’t going to be in the episode at all and went south by himself raising what little army he could. If we go back and undo last season if he went straight down to king landing he could raise skeleton dragons. Got through to wall with that horn or any other reason. WHY ARE WE ALL SO MUCH SMARTER THAN THIS SHOW?!
I see some problems with this part of your editing. A lot of talking an set ups with the characters that was already handled in the previous episode. The battle episode was supposed to jump straight into the action after two whole episode setting up the stage. I think would be anticlimactic and repetitive to have all this dialogue again in the battle episode. But of course I suspect your ideal solution would be for them to happen in the 2nd episode.
I do not claim to know anything about editing but I think it would be doable to change the dialogue in the two setup episodes. Not by bringing actors back to reshoot scenes. Take a scene where Sansa is talking to Bran and you want to change her dialogue. Just record her saying the new dialogue. In editing go back to the scene and keep the shot on Bran's face and then put in Sansa's new lines talking to him.
No way. Both sucked, but if you aren't entirely suffocated by the plot armor, narrative inconsistencies, absolutely brain dead battle tactics and plot flaws of S8E3, then you never understood the show.
@@a5cent Yeah god forgive me for having an opinion. You know there are others than yours, right? I simply found EP4 lacking a lot more in the development of characters. Everything is rushed, inconsistencies, as you mentioned. I found EP4 to be worse as I questioned why I even kept watching the show. EP3 had a lot of this as well, but EP4 was obviously too much for me. And yes I hate the plot armor, it's not the show I've watched for these years. The fact that Cersei did not shoot them all at the end of EP4 says enough.
@@CubeParrot1 I'm not sure how character development could be even worse in E4. Although forced and not convincing, at least Danaerys continued her transition to "mad queen". In E3 there was no character development at all. Was there? It was just one string of utterly ludicrous battle tactics interspersed with very cheap attempts at creating tension (after seeing Brienne surrounded by 50 whites and screaming for the third time, I just stopped caring).
@@a5cent I agree. EP3 lacked a lot of it, and as you say, it barely had anything if at all. Both episodes are driven solely by plot, but as you also said, it was very forced in EP4. And that's why it fell so hard imo. I hated the plot armor bs you mention, Sam fell down three times, a walking meatbag, and somehow survived. The amount of bs in this season overall... Ugh. While EP3 was lacking EP4 was so over the top instead, forcing everything. Especially since you have the finale inc, I enjoyed more bits in EP3 far more than in EP4, thus why I prefer EP3... sadly enough (Not by much). I spent some time watching older clips from the series and woah the feeling is so different, not even the same show. I mean I can go on and on about what I felt etc. But I think you and I are not far off in our opinions.
I like a good few of the changes but feel that having Melisandre tell Arya before the battle has even begun in specific terms such as "blue eyes" the way she does in the show, would break all suspense as to who will kill the Night King as it did in the episode except far earlier making it even worse. In terms of the "having the main characters all behind the walls" thing, I don't necessarily agree unless pretty much the entire army is set up behind the walls. In ancient battles despite it being pretty stupid in most cases, leaders did often lead on the frontlines and in a case like this were the enemy is ridiculously overwhelming, strong resolute leaders would be needed out there to prevent troops from fleeing. Not going to exactly inspire confidence in your men if you're hiding behind the walls in this situation. That said, a lot more of them could have been behind the walls and those on the front should, at least in how it went down in the episode, be dead by all means. I would have written Bran into a tower myself surrounded by guards and possibly Theon. Barricade the entrance inside and have others barricade it outside with large crates, wagons etc. that the wights have to clamber over or try to move first, slowing them down. Even then, the door at the base of the tower is blockaded by tables, barrels, crates, bookshelves etc. whatever they can find. With that the Wights can't even get inside. And if they do manage, they're forced to come up the stairs one at a time where their numbers mean nothing rather than standing in the Godswood, were you can be attacked from all sides and set yourself up to be encircled. "But if the wights can't get in, they won't draw out the Night King." They will. It's actually more likely to draw him out BECAUSE the wights can't get inside. If he wants it done, he HAS to do it himself. "The dragon fire will just burn the tower, killing Bran so it's pointless." It would, but it's better protection than standing blatantly in the open. Protects against the wights and whitewalkers to a large extent if not entirely and forces the Night King to reveal himself where the two dragons can intercept and try and stop him. Whereas being in the godswood left Bran highly exposed to being killed by any old Wight meaning the Night King would not have even needed to show up as far as we know except for dramatic tension. And I would have changed every single military tactic they used/didn't use. It was a mess as far as defenses go. And yeah, if I was changing everything, I'd have the Whitewalkers win at Winterfell and the rest flee south. Cersei hears of this and actually starts to shit herself....figuratively of course. Then there's debate of what to do at Dragonstone. Whether to surrender to Cersei and join forces or attempt a truce etc. So you can still get the current politics but it's all shadowed by the looming existential threat. In such a case, Daenarys losing another dragon to Cersei while heading back to Dragonstone which has now been blockaded by Euron's fleet, would be a HUGE deal and make everyone really shit themselves. Now it's just Drogon vs Undead Viserion. Even Cersei after learning of this, would be terrified as it would be likely that word would not have reached them of the defeat at Winterfell until AFTER Rhaegal was shot down. Cersei refuses to give up the blockade, Daenarys' pride interferes with the logical course of action to surrender and join forces as requested by Cersei who promises to let them live except that she will be crowned the rightful heir to the throne with Daenarys giving up her rights to the seat of power. The Stark's misgivings about her kick up to 90. Tensions rise all over. Tyrion and Varys question whether they need to "do something" about her as she's starting to lose it and panic. Jon tries to comfort her but she's angry at him too. Jon then has to make the decision whether or not, as the true heir, to reveal his power and claim to the throne to Cersei and the world in order for him to go on Dany's behalf and "bend the knee" as he is wont to do but this would give up his power AND Dany's which she will not approve of. All the while, we hear news of battles, small scenes of the ends of battles or rather massacres up north as the Whitewalkers grow steadily closer and closer and more and more people die to feed their army and rebuild them anew. Tension at an all time high. Who will give? If they don't stop bickering it's all over. Whatever happens, in the end it's a last ditch effort, the Golden Company, survivors of Winterfell, Dorne army, Euron's army and possibly even Dany's army in the east, called over to save the world of men, a big decision, meaning she'll lose all of her power over there with no one to hold her lands but proving she is a just Queen who cares about her people, as all the armies come together to fight as one against the last final threat. Perhaps some die in this battle such as Cersei meaning none of the aftermath matters as much and this is the last battle or perhaps Cersei is killed before Dany surrenders even though she was going to, because the people began to fear the dead more than they did Cersei. Maybe Jaime was forced to do it, knowing she would never yield and therefore doom us all. So once it's all over, it's just between Dany and Jon, if both are still alive. Wrap it up, bingo bango bongo. Someone takes the Iron Throne.
Melissandre should ve had more conversation with Arya, because in show we have seen the 7 gods, the many faced god, the lord of light and the Others. Now these dieties had impact before on the show. And now as we seen that lord of light is real, and so is the many faced god, and with the dead, we see the Others are real. We should ve had more information about gods and their plans.
There's no reason Dany would give a shit about Sam. No one but Jon gives a shit about Sam. Just because Sam shouldn't have been on the frontlines doesn't mean there's a good excuse to put him in the crypts. He should've been in the library doing arya's "sneaking" part. Even the location makes sense for him.
"Anyone who has ever read about a real historical battle rewrites the battle of winterfell": Your enemy outnumbers you at least 10 to 1 and can turn your dead bodies into new soldiers. Do not charge them. Do not fight them outside the walls. Put shards of dragonglass in your catapult bombs and set them up behind a flaming trench. Do not stop launching exploding bits of dragonglass until the dead have found a way to cross the trench. Set the Dothraki up on the far side of the city and have them charge in, firing flaming arrows, and then retreat like a real nomadic horseman army would do. You've now killed just as many of the enemy before they get to the walls, and you've lost far, far fewer of your own men.
how about a battle strategy edit!!!! i think arya and milisandra should end up in the god wood with bran surronded by the last few and arya uses some other clever wit to take out the mad king. change the retarded battle strategy at the beginning and make it like the Spartans funneling them into hells gate like winterfell is freaking suppose to do and build mechanical traps out of dragon glass up until most mechanics is broken and the bodies pile up and casualties rise finally being hit from behind with the knight kings dragon and dany being lost or injured while the knight king makes his way to the god wood and they being overwelmed by giants and the dragon. making john snow actually kill the dragon while and danny is drug to the knight king to make her a walker as they all drop dead in the begining of the next episode, yet not before the last few actually escape the hordes by entering the buildings and is fighting them in the halls and rooms of the keeps.
I know this isn't such a big deal but one detail stuck out to me in this episode that was particularly dreadful. It was just... That really lame piano score they layered over the climax of the episode with Brianne screaming in the back. I realize it's basically a different version of the night Kings theme but the rest of the music in the show has such a different flavor to it, it felt so out of place imo.
Tyrian’s dumb choice was only thing wrong with the episode honestly. Most the problems is the second half of the season. The White Walkers I think are suppose to lose I think in the books eventually there too. Because George’s favorite part of Lord of the Rings is the Scouring of the Shire. So think it’s going along the lines like that where the big bad is killed but the point of the end of the story is the grey and trauma consequences of taking down the big bad and what is the last damage before it can get better.
Your reasoning for making White Walkers a priorty is flawed. Killing a Walker has seemed to destroy the dead under his command, but that was only when a Walker was in command. It did not seem to happen at Hardhome when the Night King was present and in command. My guess is that the with the Night King present, killing the Walkers won't have any evvect on the dead. Sam wouldn't need to be convinced to go the crypts. And Jorah deservess to weild a Valyrian blade and the only one available is Heart's Bane. It's a great sword. Jorah would be much more capable of weilding it than Sam who is not going to stand and fight anything (he killed the Walker by stabbing it in the back). This is not a knock on Sam. He is who he is and the show has spent it's entire run telling us exaclty who he is. He isn't going to have an epiphany and suddenly become a great warrior. You apparently have some action in mind for the crypts since Millansdre has forseen she should be there. So maybe Sam needs to be there as well, but not with the intent of being a warrior. That is just no in his nature. He can be a hero and save the day somehow, but that's something he would be forced to do, it's just not what he would set out to do. OK, your first two major changes are major fails. Did you read teh books? Did you even watch the first seven season? Oh, wait. You already indicated you thought the Night King was the main villian. He's not. That's 3 fails. I expect your military edits will be better as almost any change would be an improvement over the show.
Catapults and Trebuchts firing wildfire launching wildire and trenches filled with obsidian tipped spikes would have killed thenthousands of wrights also using the dothraki as bowmen instead of useless carvalry would have ez won the battle even if they would have come close to the walls you can drop oil on them for viseryon vuild scorpions with obsidian bolts
I would want the army of the dead to collapse and the army of the north, but the main characters live, prob let Sansa get eaten and the Night King runs away from the north over to the south and prepares another army meanwhile Jon and Daenerys get married or something and then go to kings landing with drogon and kill Cersei or make her surrender, take over the seven kingdoms, make a new army, a massive army, the Night King makes another massive army and the last war of GoT happens, with like 200k soldiers in each army
Huh?? "Changes in strategy"?? I mean, I am all for it, but that has _nothing_ to do with *editing.* That's *script writing* and *directing* you're talking about.
I predicted a long time ago that people are going to hate the show by the end because everyone has their own idea about where it's going and most of them are gonna be wrong. And a lot of them are gonna be pissed.
In agreement to your episode an escape plan should have been a huge plot point. Bran should have died and the scraps left 90% dead not 50% leave winterfell. Where Cersei becomes their savior instead of “big baddie” and we understand her more on a human level. But Danny can’t get over her greed and at some point turns on her and kills her and Jon feels need to end Danny after they win the fight for the living. 🤷🏼♂️
Oh dear. Before starting I want to make it clear that at time of writing this, I have not yet viewed the remaining videos in this series, so any points made here are subject to amendment. Regarding Theon, you have made an epic fail. It seems to me you totally misunderstand the nature of the debt Theon feels he owes to Bran for the terrible crimes committed at Winterfell after Theon betrayed the Starks in season two. You also don't apparently comprehend the nature of medieval armies. These are not modern soldiers who will deploy where ordered. They owe their loyalty to their lords and commanders, and expect those lords to be in the fight with them, not skulking in some cellar. This is especially true of those like the Ironborn. Theon had to work hard to regain their trust in him. Regarding Sam, he has his own code of honour, and regardless of what anyone said, felt it was his duty to fight alongside his brothers of the Night's Watch. His lack of fighting skills led indirectly to the death of Dolorous Edd, which we can be sure he bitterly regrets. No, he shouldn't have been there, but being there for his brothers is entirely in keeping with Sam's character. Finally, for this part one video, dare I say that in moving certain characters to the crypts, you are basically setting up your own 'fan fiction' for later, like you falsely accuse the show of having done. That, based for now on the still of Arya and the Night King you put up when making the accusation, is predictable, and if I'm correct in my assumption, utterly wrong.
Hey everyone! I wanted to have this video (and the others that go with it) up yesterday, but I am continuing to have massive problems with the video editing software that I use. I will do my best to get the next vids out ASAP because making this one was really fun, but be prepared for there to be a bit of a possible delay. Also don't be surprised if I completely switch up the look of my vids if I can't get the rendering software to work. Just wanted to let everyone know. Hope you enjoy!
PS: Ignore the hand at the end of the video. That little guy likes to sneak into places he shouldn't be.
A triumph of budget isnt worth shit my man. It was all bodies and cgi.
Oh lord ! It’s like therapy .... we’ve been traumatized by the nonsense and to hear the story even a little bit retold with some sense narrated into it is just .....~ Syd sits down and breathes a deep sigh of relief
Now if there was just a little bit of light in there too ... a visual of the sheer magnitude of the forces that were so questionably lined up outside the walls somewhere in the dark there ... or a visual of the sheer magnitude of the white walker army ... even for a second ... would have done incredible things for the whole thing too ...
I think it’s the wasted potential ... no sane person can manage to wrap their heads around it as yet ... such unimaginable potential ... and never mind fixing the fact that the night king should have won battle after battle plunging the entire realm into darkness and desperation before any chance of eliminating him was possible ... but the fact that just these few little tweaks makes it so dramatically more plausible and satisfying and eliminates a multitude of sins .... it just says it all doesn’t it ....thanks for the therapy ... much needed !
Who in the right mind gives a shit! Episode was GREAT! Fuck off!
Get rid of the white background with mostly dark images on top, it's tiresome for the eyes on amoled screens because the contrast is way too high.
I have a question for you.... Who is the story's real antogonist/villian? Hint, it's not the white walks or the night king. It's not even cersi. It's Peter Baelish. Take a look at the "chaos is a ladder" speech. It's the only lines in the story that reveal that they are all humans just like is fighting everyday to be on top. There is no fantasy world of heros and villians. There are no good guys. THIS threatens to break the world we love. However, with baelish gone, we no longer have a true antagonistic. The best why to make the story better is to not have killed Baelish.
"Unadulterated fanfiction wearing the sagging skin suit of the show I once loved"
Damn man you live up to your channel's name. And still I cannot agree more.
Brutally honest... 100% agreed
Great description
That's an insult to fanfiction tbh, I've seen Self inserts written by 12 y/o's on wattpad that looked better than Season 8
"... I've seen in tv." You were able to see it? Impressive
They should have started the long night in season 7. They should have manned the wall and lost the fight and retreated. They should have defended winterfell and lost. The army of dead should have kept on winning battles and main characters should have lost faith and lives too. Only after all this the solution should have been found. A revelation about the night king. The war should have been unwinnable.
Indeed! but what we actually got was Arya doing a batman out of mid air... 🤨
They explained everything about the Night King
@@DDChorror There are still fanboys around or are you part of production. Either way try to troll better.
You sir, should’ve written these last 2 seasons lol. That’s what I thought was going to happen
and the battle should have been won only thanks to bran doing his magic to the king, nothing physical should have been able to outstand those creatures
I feel like they destroyed Sam’s character arc by having him regress into a ‘coward’ again.
The hell are you talking about lol, Being a guy who is clearly not a warrior, hasnt been in any actual fight in his life (Castle Black he was always hiding, and he was close to battle but never holded a sword) and the fist of the first men he literally crawled up like a ball and the white walkers let him go. And he still took a couple of daggers, and went TO THE FRONTLINE. He shouldnt have done any of it, he actually is to blame for Eds Death casue due to him being an inexperienced warrior he had to be taken care of. This only proves how brave he has become, and how much he actually wanted to fight, to do something instead of always being left behind in the safe place. But ofc, he aint jon, someone that was trained since childhood to be a warrior. If you are talking about the last scene when he was crying while still fighting and killing wights well. He was scared, but his character aint ruined, is just what it is.
Alejandro. I had ‘coward’ in quotation marks to indicate that I don’t think him cowardly on the whole. But, part of what made his storyline engaging was him rising to the challenges posed to him, not erring when it matters. So I feel this episode did him a disservice
@@erynjose6675 I do understand your point, Not saying that you are wrong but I stand by my opinion, i do this cause i would be crying too if i were surrounded by dead people in a 100% lose battle and my best friend just kinda dropped me a "Seen" and kept running lol
@Alejandro Nidoghh Your thinking sounds solid, glad we agree to disagree haha. Yes haha, I was mostly thinking of Edd, Jon running past would have knocked the wind out of me too
Completely agree. He has regressed to that typical nerd who can barely string a sentence together. Look at Varys in comparison, he is no warrior but def no coward either. Really thought Sam was going to be a more authoritative character after his few moments of courage. Sure he has a wife in Gilly but she is def wearing the pants in that relationship. A real missed opportunity, one of a million.
It makes me laugh to hear your hatred because I feel the same way.
Your glowing optimism of the new season in your previous video to the rage that came next is the definition of relatable. The only good that has come from GoT is sharing in the anger with other fans. The white walkers failed in their siege on Winterfell but they certainly brought the long night to Game of Thrones. They managed to destroy the whole world that is GoT in the most meta way possible. Well done NK
This video is cruel and unfair towards the small innocent corporation making GoT.
You actually care about the story and good writing.
You have to go back to season 5 to fix the show.
Cornell Overbeeke, MD that's what I believe
1-4 seasons are great, no question, and if they're not - that's on Martin.
Season 5 - you feel deviation from Martin's work, but still pretty good and intesting.
Season 6 - quality goes down. By GoT standards it's poor, but still okay by general Fantasy standards.
Season 7 - bad. But there's hope for an epic conclusion.
Season 8 - give me something for the pain and let me die
"The main characters in the source material must have been freebasing paint thinner not to realize that a crypt full of corpses might be in need of protection when facing off against a Lich King" 😂😂😂
I keep thinking that Night King got killed way too easily, i mean one stab killed him, even that; what was the name, knife/dagger. I am happy Arya survived that attack since she was my favorite character in entire serie, but still.
Don't worry. Martin is using the t.v. series to see what audiences love so he can finish the books. So once it is all over, those books will pop
And that's the real game of thrones George is pulling
Machine man wouldn’t be too surprised if George lied about the ending of the book so the show would spoil the ending.
he will never actually finish writing them
He's not going to finish the books. May as well face it at this point.
Yeah, the books will never have an ending
“I chose to edit because (a) the main characters in this horse material must’ve been free basing on paint thinner..” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☹️😂😭😭😭 The commentary in this video is the best thing I’ve heard on the internet today!
Theon begging to fight in the crypts feels sort of...regressive to me. Don't get me wrong, him fighting until his redeemable death in the show was handled predictably cliched and without weight, but it was somewhat necessary for both his in canon character and the audience's perception. Theon has ran away from his problems more than once, and let the people he loved into the jaws of their enemies, all seemingly to save his own skin - granted, this is most likely more because he has PTSD and cannot handle conflict, but it nevertheless strikes this way to Theon in the way he talks about it, as well as to everybody else who knows him. He felt the need to be on the frontlines to right that wrong, and though he cares for Sansa, staying in the crypts would be seen as the safe option and would likely lend his character arc a lot less favorably. At this point Theon is more than ready to fight and die for the Starks, because its what he knows his place to be; fighting for those he loves, and retributing the pain he's inflicted upon them. This entails defending Winterfell, not its guarded crypts, but doing the most he can to ensure every Stark lives, the White Walkers are defeated, Bran - the key to the battle - staying alive.
I have big plans for Theon, dont worry 👌
There are only two corpses in the crypts; Brandon and Lyanna. All the other Starks would just be bones by now. Besides how the hell can corpses break out of stone tombs when one couldn't break out of a wooden crate?
If you want to pick holes in strengths then the dragonfire is a bigger issue.
I absolutely love how perfectly ruthless this video is, keep up the good work
Wow, these are great. I'm substituting them in my mind for what I saw on TV.
I really like the edits.
Its unfortunate so many watch this show with their brain turned off and then turn around to shame those that dared to disagree. The audacity they show by asking for plot nuance, pay offs and just general things you want from good storytelling.
Finally, a youtuber who gets it.
"Collective aneurysm that swept the fanbase" is so apt.
I tried doing a similar exercise but with focus on the order of the shots in each scene. There was definitely thought put into the episode. That's clear in the shot composition/blocking. But there were also some strange choices, which I'm (maybe) too inexperienced to understand. For example, the beats of the battle don't seem very well-defined. Parts of it keep going much longer without a clear change of pace, then subsequent scenes don't seem to follow from what came before, and the camera lingers for longer on some shots than would conventionally make sense. Like it's putting the emphasis in the wrong places.
It made the episode feel unfocused to me and the battle was genuinely the boring bit. Anything to help me understand would be grand.
Look forward to your take!
I think I fell in love when you called ep. 3 a leopard child
So far so good. Can’t wait to see the other changes. I found your channel & content just last week and really dig it, especially the Thrones stuff. Keep it up and good luck!
Agree that the battle of winterfell was stupid af. I was so annoyed by some eh characters being overrun and dying but the main characters surviving somehow even tho the same thing happened to them. The ending of that episode was pretty stupid and anticlimactic, too. So all in all, a pretty bad episode. Probably one of the worst in the whole show
From a technical POV I think this was brilliantly shot (even though in post they darkened the crap out of it) but from a writing sense it didn’t make sense. Why do the Dothraki charge? I get it’s to have a badass moment but I mean it’s pretty much suicide if you’re riding into an enemy who you can see. And having all of the army in front of the trenches defeat the purpose of a trench in the first place why not have the army behind them allowing the trebuchets to light the battlefield while also killing incoming wights instead of being used just once. Or better just have the whole army inside the castle helms deep style and go from their. Then you could have the dragons lighting up any incoming eights to destroy them.
Brad Nation i agree, but the worst part was how arya killed the night king just like that. Everyone was dying and everything looked lost but then arya basically just stabs him in the back.
With that they completely ended the white walkers and the supposed climax that was built up over the last season is cut drastically short. Nothing more anticlimactic couldve even happened.
I did not get why they would even include the scene of drogon trying to kill the night king if the guy was just about to be killed by arya anyway. The episode just felt all over the place and like you said for the 'smart' people they have to be this bad at planning a battle just doesnt make sense.
@@bradleyjacinto7732 The charge is a gamble. Its a roll of the dice to see if they can flush the Night King out. Notice how Dany and Jon are watching from above with the dragons? Its because they are waiting for the Night King. If the charge actually brought out the Night King then the potential lives it saves is literally everyone else on the battlefield. It isn't stupid and it is the best way to use the calvery when the one and only win condition is kill the Night King.
@@bradleyjacinto7732 I realize I'm months late to the party here, but Invicta, a history channel, did a great video on better tactics and strategy for the Battle of Winterfell.
th-cam.com/video/EA5mJRFaI8c/w-d-xo.html
I honestly thought the army of the dead would be too much for the army at Winterfell and they would most probably have to retreat while the army of the dead would have continued south towards King's Landing, this wouldat least have given some consequences to Cersei not joining the fight and the whole thematic core of the series wouldn't have been so ridiculously easily set aside.
So far so good with the rewrite! Having Jon emphasize killing the White Walkers -- and taking the *best fighters* off of the front lines -- are nice touches that Those Who Shall Not Be Named really should have thought about.
It's already looking better than the source episode -- which might not be the highest bar to clear, but still.
And bonus points for what looks to be a That Guy T cameo with the bleach! (If you just happened to pick a photo of a random dude drinking bleach....um, nevermind! :-D)
You should have got Theon to tell/remind Sansa of the SECRET PASSAGE from the Crypts as told to him by Maester Luwin.
The music for that whole series was so amazing though, one of the few consistent highlights.
Literally discovered your channel today and now this. Nice
Sir, you had me at the intro. I realize I'm late but That Prose Tho.
damn dude u deserve more subs and likes for all this work
I can’t believe not a single White Walker fought in that episode, not one... with just the Wight doing the heavy lifting
Duh! If a White Walker dies, ALL the wights he has made die with him. You'll loose thousands of wights if just ONE of the White Walkers is killed. Haven't you watched season 7, Beyond The Wall ??? There's no reason to expose your generals if you have expendable troops that can do the job just fine. Mabe you should pay attention to the show instead of nitpicking.
@@Fidel_L.Bousquet1970 Yeah i saw that stupid Phantom Menace moment. it did not stop them in the first scene of the show or at Hardhome
I always thought the Starks had such big tombstones and “coffins” made of stone was to prevent any resurrected dead from getting out and hurting people. I realize now that was just some head-canon I had thought, but I still think it makes since with Northern history since the Northerns seem to know that burning people’s bodies is the right thing to do.
*I swear to fuck if you have Arya kill NK in your "fixed version", I'll swear even more about it. That is Jon's arc, Arya had nothing to do with it until literally this episode, and having her be the one to make that kill is right at the core of what was wrong with this episode - and this season in general.*
My first scene would be Jonh burning all the starks in the crypt, symbolising the end of the show. Why didn't they do that, such a powerful scene. And you can pay it off when John will burn his friends after the battle
And if you didn't _why put people down there at all?_ Castles have keeps!
@@dynamicworlds1 because crypts have one entrance that can be easily defended. Keep was overrun, we see a lot of bodies there
@@tedarcher9120 the main point of the design of a keep _IS_ to be easily defended with layers of chokepoints. The crypts have 1 (that didn't even have a door in the show) with nothing to fall back to and a bunch of dead bodies to raise.
Living up to your username Savage AF Books. Thanks for not going easy on this episode it deserves all the criticism people have been giving it.
You did miss one important thing: the army should defend from inside the walls not in front of the walls. That is the whole point of castles! Watching a siege in Lord of the Rings is a the very best example on how castle walls are strategic.
This Video was really well made, great work mate!
At least we got some truly awesome music this episode. The music, imo, is the best part of EP3
Interesting. Please make more re-writes!
So far, I'm not entirely sure how would this work on screen. It would make more sense, of course, but it would be probably just as cringy as the original. Better to scrap the entire episode/season. Barring that, I would forgo fixing the episode and would just focus on fixing on the final scene (Jon somehow making to the Night King's guard and engaging them - that would give Arya an opening).
The only thing that needs to be fixed is that the Night king wins the Battle Of Winterfell. Any complaints about the Battle would cease to exist since in reality every complaint stems from the fact that the Night King was snoked. Fix that and suddenly people would declare this as a masterpiece episode. For kicks I would even brighten the cinematography to make sure people could see what was happening.
Link Journey I think they should have started the long night and The Great War since the wall was fallen down and defeat the Dead at Winterfell because Winterfell=Winter falls= Winter ends(the WW die)
I think the symbolism behind killing of the night king is that humans will solve the problems against humanity by sticking together, but won't be able to solve their inner problems ever. There will always be conflicts as to who will lead them.
Someone might have thought of it but in your edit you could have made the reason Dany wants Sam in the crypts because she doesnt want to be resonsible for wiping out his family.
Just watched all five videos. Came back to say... Listen to all five parts! It's so much better than what they filmed!
Thank you!
I think winterfell should have fallen to solidify the unstoppable might of the white walkers
The hero we know we needed.
Was really surprised we didn’t get more x character with Valerian steel vs white walker
Infantry and cavalry outside of the walls.
No recon.
Dothraki frontal assault..stupid.
No archers ready.
Everyone outside of the walls?
Dragons make few fly bys and then stop.
Arya "air bud" Stark kills the biggest villain in the dumbest fan boi way ever.
Jon Snow screams at a dragon.
Dumbest writing and battle planning ever.
Its actually brilliant battle planning because there is no defeating the army of the dead no matter how well of a defense you set up. The one and only way that victory was to be acheived is by killing the Night King and every battle decision was to identify his location or pull him into a vulnerable location.
@@Xarencey Sacrificing 70k people was not brilliant. The same result could have been achieved if they used a castle for what castles are for.
@@operationNOBO You still don't understand there is only absolute defeat if you don't lure the Night King out and kill him. A defensive castle hold would only ensure he won't make himself vulnerable because no matter how good a defense you mount you will not defeat the army of the dead considering its size.
Arya “air bud” Stark nearly sent me to the afterlife because I choked on coffee
@@jazwhoaskedforthis Only the cool people have seen Air Bud.
protect my sundae!
I wish you would have been the writer for this show lol. Maybe someday you can make your own adaptation of the books?
They made Sam and the Hound regress into coward's who overcame nothing. It would have been awful to kill them off then because they would both die with no growth.
I like the edit so far, makes Bran more useful as his plot is parallel to Jon's. Both were fated to lead the fight against the Night king during the long night.
The NK’s death really was the nail in the coffin for this show ... it was hard to care about anything after.
Thank you. Please rewrite this so that it makes some sort of sense. If they were going to begin with the first prologue from the first book, why destroy it? Melisandre was hiding out in a cave in the North. Does anyone remember that in episode one that Tormund Giantsbane reminds Ed that he has always had blue eyes. Will be looking out for your next video.
This is like rearranging the corn nuggets on a pile of shit.
I like this better then what we got
It's like someone's decided to remake Purple Rain.
Why when stannis invade the north the weather is worse than the long night
I actually thought they were going to lose the battle, it's funny you say that as your first point because I agree I thought what was gonna happen is they were gonna be overrun, like 50% of the main characters would be dead and they'd be forced to retreat South. I thought we'd see another battle with the army of the dead with a Cersei who maybe is like "Oh shit the dead may actually make it to King's Landing after all" and then even the Golden Company and all the living realize "our factions don't mean shit as long as this Night King guy is alive" so the living ALL unite to fight this one guy they wouldn't be able to defeat alone. I also thought it was a shame that Jon didn't even fight the Night King. Not once. Ever. In the entirety of the show. If they HAD to have Arya get the killing blow in Episode 3, make it something that was to save Jon who was otherwise on his last leg, the entire way they did it would've worked if they made it like a tag-team thing otherwise it just made the Night King look like a bitch.
I really wished they had the night king make it to Cersei. I was shocked that he didn't because in season 7 Jon, Daenerys and Tyrion made a truce with cersei because they thought they needed everyone's help defeating the dead so when the lannister army didn't show it should've made our heroes lose and have to retreat south but when it didn't it made season 7 irrelevant.
you may not eat candy sideways but i bet you eat pizza with a fork
I don't even agree that everyone should be in the courtyard or crypt but you are accounting for the fact the crypt would have a whole host to raise as undead so I'm willing to hear the rest of this out. You definitely are putting more thought into this than D and D so you might be putting more efficient effort into this as well.
(sam character interactions are also well thought out)
Batlle of winterfell should have ended with the night King as winner and only a few of the important characters surviving
Everyone violating this episode XD
Glad I dropped it
What is with people fixing game of thrones and sonic but not my marriage? Like just rewrite it to make my life look better. I wish I never chronically pissed my pants because it stank up the house so much.
Okay but I haven’t watched a rewrite season 8 vid that hasn’t been better than the original
Season 8 was an insult to my intelligents.
Am I in a hole or does everyone unanimously have problems with episode 3? These arguments of a better story are so much better than what we got.
The whole time I was hoping the night king wasn’t going to be in the episode at all and went south by himself raising what little army he could. If we go back and undo last season if he went straight down to king landing he could raise skeleton dragons. Got through to wall with that horn or any other reason. WHY ARE WE ALL SO MUCH SMARTER THAN THIS SHOW?!
I see some problems with this part of your editing. A lot of talking an set ups with the characters that was already handled in the previous episode. The battle episode was supposed to jump straight into the action after two whole episode setting up the stage. I think would be anticlimactic and repetitive to have all this dialogue again in the battle episode. But of course I suspect your ideal solution would be for them to happen in the 2nd episode.
I do not claim to know anything about editing but I think it would be doable to change the dialogue in the two setup episodes. Not by bringing actors back to reshoot scenes. Take a scene where Sansa is talking to Bran and you want to change her dialogue. Just record her saying the new dialogue. In editing go back to the scene and keep the shot on Bran's face and then put in Sansa's new lines talking to him.
The badass Night King didn’t even take out this badass sword!! How dumb was that???? And then get killed by a little dagger ..what a joke!
EP4 was way worse tbh, would love to see your take on that crap.
No way was it worse
No way. Both sucked, but if you aren't entirely suffocated by the plot armor, narrative inconsistencies, absolutely brain dead battle tactics and plot flaws of S8E3, then you never understood the show.
@@a5cent Yeah god forgive me for having an opinion. You know there are others than yours, right?
I simply found EP4 lacking a lot more in the development of characters. Everything is rushed, inconsistencies, as you mentioned. I found EP4 to be worse as I questioned why I even kept watching the show. EP3 had a lot of this as well, but EP4 was obviously too much for me.
And yes I hate the plot armor, it's not the show I've watched for these years. The fact that Cersei did not shoot them all at the end of EP4 says enough.
@@CubeParrot1 I'm not sure how character development could be even worse in E4.
Although forced and not convincing, at least Danaerys continued her transition to "mad queen".
In E3 there was no character development at all. Was there? It was just one string of utterly ludicrous battle tactics interspersed with very cheap attempts at creating tension (after seeing Brienne surrounded by 50 whites and screaming for the third time, I just stopped caring).
@@a5cent I agree. EP3 lacked a lot of it, and as you say, it barely had anything if at all. Both episodes are driven solely by plot, but as you also said, it was very forced in EP4. And that's why it fell so hard imo.
I hated the plot armor bs you mention, Sam fell down three times, a walking meatbag, and somehow survived. The amount of bs in this season overall... Ugh.
While EP3 was lacking EP4 was so over the top instead, forcing everything. Especially since you have the finale inc, I enjoyed more bits in EP3 far more than in EP4, thus why I prefer EP3... sadly enough (Not by much).
I spent some time watching older clips from the series and woah the feeling is so different, not even the same show. I mean I can go on and on about what I felt etc. But I think you and I are not far off in our opinions.
Do Danny and our god king bran the broken ever interact?
I like a good few of the changes but feel that having Melisandre tell Arya before the battle has even begun in specific terms such as "blue eyes" the way she does in the show, would break all suspense as to who will kill the Night King as it did in the episode except far earlier making it even worse.
In terms of the "having the main characters all behind the walls" thing, I don't necessarily agree unless pretty much the entire army is set up behind the walls. In ancient battles despite it being pretty stupid in most cases, leaders did often lead on the frontlines and in a case like this were the enemy is ridiculously overwhelming, strong resolute leaders would be needed out there to prevent troops from fleeing. Not going to exactly inspire confidence in your men if you're hiding behind the walls in this situation. That said, a lot more of them could have been behind the walls and those on the front should, at least in how it went down in the episode, be dead by all means.
I would have written Bran into a tower myself surrounded by guards and possibly Theon. Barricade the entrance inside and have others barricade it outside with large crates, wagons etc. that the wights have to clamber over or try to move first, slowing them down. Even then, the door at the base of the tower is blockaded by tables, barrels, crates, bookshelves etc. whatever they can find. With that the Wights can't even get inside. And if they do manage, they're forced to come up the stairs one at a time where their numbers mean nothing rather than standing in the Godswood, were you can be attacked from all sides and set yourself up to be encircled.
"But if the wights can't get in, they won't draw out the Night King." They will. It's actually more likely to draw him out BECAUSE the wights can't get inside. If he wants it done, he HAS to do it himself.
"The dragon fire will just burn the tower, killing Bran so it's pointless." It would, but it's better protection than standing blatantly in the open. Protects against the wights and whitewalkers to a large extent if not entirely and forces the Night King to reveal himself where the two dragons can intercept and try and stop him. Whereas being in the godswood left Bran highly exposed to being killed by any old Wight meaning the Night King would not have even needed to show up as far as we know except for dramatic tension.
And I would have changed every single military tactic they used/didn't use. It was a mess as far as defenses go. And yeah, if I was changing everything, I'd have the Whitewalkers win at Winterfell and the rest flee south. Cersei hears of this and actually starts to shit herself....figuratively of course. Then there's debate of what to do at Dragonstone. Whether to surrender to Cersei and join forces or attempt a truce etc. So you can still get the current politics but it's all shadowed by the looming existential threat. In such a case, Daenarys losing another dragon to Cersei while heading back to Dragonstone which has now been blockaded by Euron's fleet, would be a HUGE deal and make everyone really shit themselves.
Now it's just Drogon vs Undead Viserion. Even Cersei after learning of this, would be terrified as it would be likely that word would not have reached them of the defeat at Winterfell until AFTER Rhaegal was shot down. Cersei refuses to give up the blockade, Daenarys' pride interferes with the logical course of action to surrender and join forces as requested by Cersei who promises to let them live except that she will be crowned the rightful heir to the throne with Daenarys giving up her rights to the seat of power. The Stark's misgivings about her kick up to 90. Tensions rise all over. Tyrion and Varys question whether they need to "do something" about her as she's starting to lose it and panic. Jon tries to comfort her but she's angry at him too. Jon then has to make the decision whether or not, as the true heir, to reveal his power and claim to the throne to Cersei and the world in order for him to go on Dany's behalf and "bend the knee" as he is wont to do but this would give up his power AND Dany's which she will not approve of.
All the while, we hear news of battles, small scenes of the ends of battles or rather massacres up north as the Whitewalkers grow steadily closer and closer and more and more people die to feed their army and rebuild them anew. Tension at an all time high. Who will give? If they don't stop bickering it's all over. Whatever happens, in the end it's a last ditch effort, the Golden Company, survivors of Winterfell, Dorne army, Euron's army and possibly even Dany's army in the east, called over to save the world of men, a big decision, meaning she'll lose all of her power over there with no one to hold her lands but proving she is a just Queen who cares about her people, as all the armies come together to fight as one against the last final threat.
Perhaps some die in this battle such as Cersei meaning none of the aftermath matters as much and this is the last battle or perhaps Cersei is killed before Dany surrenders even though she was going to, because the people began to fear the dead more than they did Cersei. Maybe Jaime was forced to do it, knowing she would never yield and therefore doom us all. So once it's all over, it's just between Dany and Jon, if both are still alive. Wrap it up, bingo bango bongo.
Someone takes the Iron Throne.
Melissandre should ve had more conversation with Arya, because in show we have seen the 7 gods, the many faced god, the lord of light and the Others. Now these dieties had impact before on the show. And now as we seen that lord of light is real, and so is the many faced god, and with the dead, we see the Others are real. We should ve had more information about gods and their plans.
Sansa, The “smartest person” according to Arya, Doesn’t know how to use a knife! And yet… Daenerys can use a bloody sword! Seems legit.
That Bob Ross
There's no reason Dany would give a shit about Sam. No one but Jon gives a shit about Sam. Just because Sam shouldn't have been on the frontlines doesn't mean there's a good excuse to put him in the crypts. He should've been in the library doing arya's "sneaking" part. Even the location makes sense for him.
"Anyone who has ever read about a real historical battle rewrites the battle of winterfell": Your enemy outnumbers you at least 10 to 1 and can turn your dead bodies into new soldiers. Do not charge them. Do not fight them outside the walls. Put shards of dragonglass in your catapult bombs and set them up behind a flaming trench. Do not stop launching exploding bits of dragonglass until the dead have found a way to cross the trench. Set the Dothraki up on the far side of the city and have them charge in, firing flaming arrows, and then retreat like a real nomadic horseman army would do.
You've now killed just as many of the enemy before they get to the walls, and you've lost far, far fewer of your own men.
how about a battle strategy edit!!!! i think arya and milisandra should end up in the god wood with bran surronded by the last few and arya uses some other clever wit to take out the mad king. change the retarded battle strategy at the beginning and make it like the Spartans funneling them into hells gate like winterfell is freaking suppose to do and build mechanical traps out of dragon glass up until most mechanics is broken and the bodies pile up and casualties rise finally being hit from behind with the knight kings dragon and dany being lost or injured while the knight king makes his way to the god wood and they being overwelmed by giants and the dragon. making john snow actually kill the dragon while and danny is drug to the knight king to make her a walker as they all drop dead in the begining of the next episode, yet not before the last few actually escape the hordes by entering the buildings and is fighting them in the halls and rooms of the keeps.
your going to learn more about the white walkers, in the next GOT series..
At this rate nobody is going to watch that series
I know this isn't such a big deal but one detail stuck out to me in this episode that was particularly dreadful.
It was just... That really lame piano score they layered over the climax of the episode with Brianne screaming in the back. I realize it's basically a different version of the night Kings theme but the rest of the music in the show has such a different flavor to it, it felt so out of place imo.
Tyrian’s dumb choice was only thing wrong with the episode honestly. Most the problems is the second half of the season. The White Walkers I think are suppose to lose I think in the books eventually there too. Because George’s favorite part of Lord of the Rings is the Scouring of the Shire. So think it’s going along the lines like that where the big bad is killed but the point of the end of the story is the grey and trauma consequences of taking down the big bad and what is the last damage before it can get better.
Dam man... couldn’t even make it to the rewrite. The first half of the video is just you saying what you’re about to say...
Your reasoning for making White Walkers a priorty is flawed. Killing a Walker has seemed to destroy the dead under his command, but that was only when a Walker was in command. It did not seem to happen at Hardhome when the Night King was present and in command. My guess is that the with the Night King present, killing the Walkers won't have any evvect on the dead.
Sam wouldn't need to be convinced to go the crypts. And Jorah deservess to weild a Valyrian blade and the only one available is Heart's Bane. It's a great sword. Jorah would be much more capable of weilding it than Sam who is not going to stand and fight anything (he killed the Walker by stabbing it in the back). This is not a knock on Sam. He is who he is and the show has spent it's entire run telling us exaclty who he is. He isn't going to have an epiphany and suddenly become a great warrior.
You apparently have some action in mind for the crypts since Millansdre has forseen she should be there. So maybe Sam needs to be there as well, but not with the intent of being a warrior. That is just no in his nature. He can be a hero and save the day somehow, but that's something he would be forced to do, it's just not what he would set out to do.
OK, your first two major changes are major fails. Did you read teh books? Did you even watch the first seven season? Oh, wait. You already indicated you thought the Night King was the main villian. He's not. That's 3 fails. I expect your military edits will be better as almost any change would be an improvement over the show.
I can’t believe more people haven’t liked this video 😮
Wish you were writing these last two episodes...
Actually, a lot of the stuff you said there make sense.
Savage Books You are genius
Catapults and Trebuchts firing wildfire launching wildire and trenches filled with obsidian tipped spikes would have killed thenthousands of wrights also using the dothraki as bowmen instead of useless carvalry would have ez won the battle even if they would have come close to the walls you can drop oil on them for viseryon vuild scorpions with obsidian bolts
I would want the army of the dead to collapse and the army of the north, but the main characters live, prob let Sansa get eaten and the Night King runs away from the north over to the south and prepares another army meanwhile Jon and Daenerys get married or something and then go to kings landing with drogon and kill Cersei or make her surrender, take over the seven kingdoms, make a new army, a massive army, the Night King makes another massive army and the last war of GoT happens, with like 200k soldiers in each army
Do you have your script in a file? could you UPLOAD PLEASE??
I'm confused, this sounds like a rewriting of the screenplay, instead of editing.
The title of this video is "An editor rewrites the battle of winterfell". So, you are correct. it is a rewrite.
Huh?? "Changes in strategy"?? I mean, I am all for it, but that has _nothing_ to do with *editing.* That's *script writing* and *directing* you're talking about.
Milli'SanDre 😂🤣😂
I predicted a long time ago that people are going to hate the show by the end because everyone has their own idea about where it's going and most of them are gonna be wrong. And a lot of them are gonna be pissed.
Excellent fan fiction 👌
Narratively irrelevant is what I would call everyone except Arya in ep 3
I didn't watch your video (too boring) , but I am sure your flow is much better than the original one.
In agreement to your episode an escape plan should have been a huge plot point. Bran should have died and the scraps left 90% dead not 50% leave winterfell. Where Cersei becomes their savior instead of “big baddie” and we understand her more on a human level. But Danny can’t get over her greed and at some point turns on her and kills her and Jon feels need to end Danny after they win the fight for the living. 🤷🏼♂️
Oh dear. Before starting I want to make it clear that at time of writing this, I have not yet viewed the remaining videos in this series, so any points made here are subject to amendment.
Regarding Theon, you have made an epic fail. It seems to me you totally misunderstand the nature of the debt Theon feels he owes to Bran for the terrible crimes committed at Winterfell after Theon betrayed the Starks in season two.
You also don't apparently comprehend the nature of medieval armies. These are not modern soldiers who will deploy where ordered. They owe their loyalty to their lords and commanders, and expect those lords to be in the fight with them, not skulking in some cellar. This is especially true of those like the Ironborn. Theon had to work hard to regain their trust in him.
Regarding Sam, he has his own code of honour, and regardless of what anyone said, felt it was his duty to fight alongside his brothers of the Night's Watch. His lack of fighting skills led indirectly to the death of Dolorous Edd, which we can be sure he bitterly regrets. No, he shouldn't have been there, but being there for his brothers is entirely in keeping with Sam's character.
Finally, for this part one video, dare I say that in moving certain characters to the crypts, you are basically setting up your own 'fan fiction' for later, like you falsely accuse the show of having done. That, based for now on the still of Arya and the Night King you put up when making the accusation, is predictable, and if I'm correct in my assumption, utterly wrong.
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no amount of editing can save this train wreck. It would take a full rewrite and remake.