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I’m so excited for an NHL team here in Utah! My daughter and I have been going to the ECHL team here in Utah the Grizzlies. The game are so fun! I can’t imagine what the energy for an NHL team will be like. We will still be supporting the Grizzlies as long as they are here. We are very loyal! Haha but it’s still exciting! As long as the tickets aren’t crazy expensive I can’t wait to see some NHL action!
You can still have merch just like at the PWHL we’re doing just fine without team names and we’ve still made merch, it’s better you take your time to get this right
A few updates. 27K+ season ticket are down payments. They're doing partial packages. The current stadium as of 2024's home opener, 16.3k seats, 12.5k with premium views. Less than 20% of the Jazz season ticket holders have bought NHL season ticket packages.... this was VERY interesting. Oh all this info was all shared by Ryan Smith in the past 24-48 hours. Most on this interview w/ Pat McAfee.
A lot of reporters outside Utah fail to know/mention Utah has had minor league pro hockey for decades and it has thrived. Fans in UT are well-versed in the game. They haven't been without a team, just because it hasnt been NHL
17500 is great not too big. I actually love the jets at full capacity 15000 I think is perfect the fans at the very top still have a good view and it’s a great environment
Great context by including the number of hockey players in each state. To see how important amateur hockey is, and how good of a job Arizona has done over the years, their number was almost 10,000. For comparison, though, a traditional hockey market like Minnesota has almost 60,000 for a state with a significantly smaller population.
@@michaelmarkowski204 nope, only those registered with USA Hockey. Interestingly enough, I took a look at all the states and Minnesota has the most registered hockey players of the entire US. Back in the 90s and 00s, Michigan had the most, but Michigan has declined by about 20,000 skaters than when it was at it's peak. Massachusetts has the second most, but I think still 10,000 less than Minnesota.
@@captbloodbeard Yeah, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota are all great youth hockey states. Throw in Wisconsin too. Glad the NHL returned to MN with the Wild, though I'm not big on the new nickname.
@@captbloodbeard Also gotta keep in mind that it's expensive for kids to play youth hockey given the equipment, ice time, etc. Soccer / baseball / basketball are far cheaper sports for parents to pay for - even youth football is less pricey than youth hockey.
Nah. Just like Florida it was seeded by Yankee transplants. It didn't catch on because unlike the panthers and bolts, they've always had poor ownership and no home. The bolts succeeded because they had the thunderdome which was a high capacity arena football stadium at the time so they were able to seed the fan base because tickets while they were there were dirt cheap. Like $5 for the 300 level, because they had so many seats. John Tucker setup a youth hockey school that was also dirt cheap. They let kids wander around and watch from the 1dt level regardless where your seats actually were as long as no one was sitting there. Their general attitude towards fans was a long term one wanting ti make generations of bolts fans. They were so focused on the kids in the area. Heck, my hockey team got to play on the ice when I was 10 during an intermission it was so awesome being cheered for 😂 The coyotes ownership never really focused on long term growth.
I'm thinking if they went with Utah Scouts, it would be a nod to the first inhabitants of the state as well as to the mountain men like Jim Bridger and the first pioneers who saw the valley.
This inspired me to check on something. Apparently Gainbridge Fieldhouse *could* host an NHL sized rink, though it would be awkward. I don't think that Indianapolis had anything else the NHL was looking for (well, experienced owners, but i don't know that the Irsays and the Simons have expressed any interest in the NHL). No, Indy wasn't going to get the Coyotes, nor should they have.
A couple of questions. I keep hearing that Utah doesn't have very many rinks. My question is, "what do you consider a lot of rinks?". SL county has 7(not counting Maverik or Delta). How many rinks does Phoenix have? I'm also not sure how they are calculating "amateur" players. I'm assuming that is registered with USA hockey and i know of a few leagues that play under different orgs than USA hockey. Depending on how that is calculated I could see that number being low.
I’m happy to call this team NHL Utah for now as its working in the PWHL as all year I’ve been saying I’d rather be known as PWHL Minnesota than have a crappy name, my heart bleeds for Arizona but hopefully I’ll be less frosty towards NHL Utah when they play our Sharks next season but I’ll need time which is something Utah doesn’t have to get this ready
If they’re going to be spending big money on renovations, I truly believe that Ryan Smith should completely demolish the Delta Center, and build a brand new arena on that same site, and have both NBA and NHL teams play at the Maverick Center for 2-3 years until it is built.
These TH-cam stories on Utah and the NHL have become a bit much, but I always your coverage because you do your homework and add a level of professionalism most do not. Keep up with great videos all around Brodie!
I remember in the ‘90’s, when Nashville was announced as an expansion team. Fans were very suspect of team in DEEP SOUTH. I viewed it as being prejudice against Southerners.
Of COURSE we were prejudiced against southerners! Not nearly as prejudiced as southerners are towards 'damn yankees', so dont fear that we will steal your thunder! Have you ever heard the term 'Yankee flatball'? thats how i heard my Dixie cousins refer to hockey! You hayseeds STILL shouldnt have hockey! LOL
It was a gamble, as all of the NHL's southern expansions were. In Nashville's case, they certainly had better support than some Southern NHL cities (looking at you, Atlanta!) Plus, Nashville really isn't Deep South. Nor is Raleigh. Both are doing okay. The whole nontraditional hockey market thing started with the 1967 NHL expansion: Doubling in size from six teams to twelve, and with the Original Six geographic distribution being hopelessly out of whack with North American population distribution at the time, the six expansion cities were selected as they were because of major constraints. First off, Montreal and Toronto blocked any attempt to put another team in Canada. Outcry was such that the NHL finally enfranchised the Canucks in 1970 when Montreal and Toronto finally withdrew their blocks after intense pressure, including threatened beer boycotts (Both teams owners owned major breweries) from the Canadian people. Next, CBS demanded two of the six teams be placed in California as a condition of getting a TV contract done, which became the Kings and the Seals. The Kings plodded along until Gretzky joined them in 1988 but L.A. is so big it wasn't going to fail. The Seals, on the other hand, never got going. Bottom feeders, they moved to Cleveland in the 1970s then were merged into the North Stars organization. The Sharks are technically the reincarnation of the Seals as that organization was spun off of the North Stars organization when it was founded. Finally, St. Louis did not even submit a bid for an NHL expansion team in 1967, but they got one simply because the Norris family, which owned the Red Wings and had interests in the Black Hawks and the Bruins, owned an arena in St. Louis that they wanted to fill. To this day, the Canadian teams are still very hostile to any Canadian expansion, maybe because Hockey Night in Canada money only goes so far. Toronto and Buffalo would scream bloody murder at any attempt to put a team in Hamilton. Ditto for Montreal and Quebec City. What I can't figure out is why no NHL expansion was ever considered for Houston, who has a track record of hockey support, the best in the south. The Aeros were one of the WHA's most successful franchises. Instead a third team to fail in Atlanta is making the rumor circuit.
@@craigrohn9938 The Canadiens would allow a team in Quebec City if a few dollars were thrown their way. The Habs had the highest average game attendance in the NHL this season at over 21K per game with a bad team. The Bell Centre is the largest capacity arena in the NHL at 21,105. These are not people from Quebec City. The rivalry aspect alone makes it attractive. The biggest bench-clearing brawl in NHL history occurred during a Canadien / Nordique game. Agree Houston should get an NHL team, but so will Atlanta (third time's the charm).
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Canadiens had a track record of opposing ANY new Canadian team, not just Quebec City. Wholeheartedly agree though, that Quebec City should be near the top of list for future teams. I truly question the wisdom of putting a third team in Atlanta to fail. I know plenty of people from that part of the country. All of them see the NHL as not a major American sports league. For hockey to grow in Georgia, any new team would have to get good quick and the people must learn the finer points of the sport, at least as much as Nashville has, or even better, how Houston supported the Astros
Coincidence that Bettman "finalized" the deal and was ready to announce the move to Utah the day after the Coyotes last home game at Mullett....? Wonder when he would've announced it if the Coyotes snuck into the playoffs this season....?
Another aspect of the registered Amateur Hockey players being a low number in Utah is the fact that most of the groups in Utah are registered as independent and don't use USA hockey because of the problems they have had with that organization. Almost all of Utah County is no longer affiliated so wouldn't count in that 4,500 number, even though we have a thousand players in men's league and youth programs.
If there’s one thing Utah produces by the bucket-load, it’s kids, and they all play sports. Jr.Jazz league is the largest kids b-ball league in the country as far as I know. There will be a whole generation of hockey players coming soon.
If I am involved in the decision to bring sports to Utah, I don't bring hockey to Utah. I would go for a different sport first. A sport that isn't competing with the only other sport in town. The NHL and NBA play at the same time and will be competing for the same fans.
I think the new owners have been working on this in the background for a while. I don't think Betman would have approved the sale otherwise. I don't think Utah will be a bad hickey market, and like was stated, the new team will expand and make new local hockey rinks.
Ryan Smith attempted to buy The Pittsburgh Penguins when they were for sale in 2021. The Fenway Sports Group won out. They own The Red Sox and Liverpool Football Club as well. Ryan Smith has been talking to Bettman since 2022 and biding his time. Smith owns The Utah Jazz and Bettman was in The NBA head office before The NHL called. That Jazz ownership gives Smith a track record.
They would have to pay me a lot of money for the name of my Utah Blizzard hockey team. We have been a semi-pro senior check team since 2010. I am willing to negotiate though. ;)
I think things also need to be taken into account like desirability to live there. I know 0 people that would willing move to Utah. I know the nature there is great but the people and laws aren't. Phoenix was a top 5 place to go see travel to an away game Utah is last place
I think the rest of the leagues will follow the NFL, The NFL might expand 2-4 teams getting them to 34-36 so i dont see the rest expanding beyond that besides MLS
K hear me out. We need to get the old 2015 crew together from the Blues. TJ Oshi, Ryan Reeves, Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Statsny, Jake Allen. And then keep or buy in the promising young dudes. Get The Utah Blizzards off to a good start 😄
If you want to see what the future of junior/amateur hockey will look like, do a dive into the Junior Jazz. Providing leagues for kids is not a new thing here.
Reading an article about the Arizona ownership and it didn't portray them in a very good light. NHL probably happy to get those guys out of the league if what I read was actually true.
Keeping the NHL 16 West 16 East was the only ever condition for the Coyotes moving. Out to Quebec City like most Canadians wanted was NEVER going to happen. The NHL wants equal conferences no alignment difference.
To me, Spikers would be the most logical, and Utah history connected name - with a steam engine as a logo. (Dropping the "Golden" since Foley already grabbed that one.)...Yeah, I'm not holding my breath though. It'll be some cartoonish, kid appeal character designed to sell merch to kids. They can take four years, and they'll still get it wrong. Look at the Washington Football Team...Marketing firms suck all the randomness and joy out of life - on all levels...
1. It ain’t Phoenix 2. SLC actually wants this team, unlike Phoenix. 3. Bettman wasted everyone’s time for WAY too much time; this is long overdue good move.
@@stevenbauer4799 Sports referendums rarely work out. I guess you think people from Kansas City don't want the Chiefs. A small group of people in Tempe voted no. They were under the impression that there were going to be tax payers dollars spent. There was also some union issues. This is the failure of ownership.
@@mr.brenman2132 i know exactly how sports referendums work. In az. it wasn't tx payers $$$'s that were going to be spent. It was the tax breaks Merullo was going to get at the expense of taxpayers. That is why tempe voted NO. That would have happened anywhere in az. Merullo was an untrustworthy con man. And phx. forces that be will never let an arena go up anywhere near phx. and take $$$'s away from suns arena so no matter how they sliced it up it was never going to pass. It was a failure in az. by lying ownership and bettman broken promises. In kc fans were smart enough to say NO to that shit. And told an owner worth $25 billion to fund his own $500 mil. upgrades. It had nothing to do with not wanting the chiefs and everything to do with saying NO to corporate welfare.
@@stevenbauer4799 If he buys the land it will be a step towards a new arena. It was Bettman's fault allowing the team to go to Meruelo. AZ has never had a chance. Never a good location for an arena. Never a NHL caliber arena. Never consistent success. Never good ownership.
I think Utah Raptors would be a cool name that still feels major league. Toronto Raptors have made it work. Plus the Utah Raptor is the biggest in the raptor family.
What happened to how the Central was the perfect landing place for a Houston team? Arizona fans will not become Utah fans, how ugly would that be if/when Coyotes return? I’ll be cheering for Florida until the Coyotes return.
I love how all these comments are being made without realizing the deal is already been done, what do you think, the leauge is just gonna back out and go to toronto, quebec or houston due to fan fair? Sheesh get real
The Olympics should _not_ be a reason to throw hundreds of millions of public money at the Delta Center. One of the biggest selling points for Salt Lake landing the 2034 Games is being able to reuse existing venues with minimal updates.
@@wadewixom7029 Then why mention the Olympics? Also, check out Field of Schemes and similar sites - there are better ways to revitalize downtown cores than throwing public money at private pleasure palaces. I’m excited for the NHL to land in Utah, but I’m definitely wary about the spending.
Can I just say that us utahns are very sick of the jokes about how Utah Jazz makes no sense I thought for years that "Jazz" was supposed to be an adjective and not actually referring to the musical genre I assume a lot of kids in Utah were like me cause we don't question it.
Utah was a better choice but the NHL needs to come to terms with the fact that sunbelt teams are just gonna always have to deal with fair weather fans for the most part. Of course there’s some hardcore ones and they’re real ones for that. But the support for the lightening or canes or kings rely on their performance. That’s why the Yotes should have been put in QC
@@roywall8169 Thank you. I think we need some time to heal here in AZ and having this horrible owner lingering around doesn’t help as we lost trust in him.
Probably. I don't think anyone wanted to play out of a college arena for at least another 3 years, and Bettman was willing to do it as an end to a means.
Dude... you got some things off😂 Dont follow the 900 mil, follow the 200mil that the Smith group paid over and above that the boatd of governor's got to split😂 Second.. Over 22,000 season ticket requsts BUT less than 500 of those requests are season ticket holders for the Jazz, pro sports will be fine in Salt Lake !
Nothing sounds more big market like Utah Hockey Club, ........ todays game the Avalanche vs. the Hockey Club, the Kraken vs. the Hockey Club, just pick a name already, not that tuff
BliZZards like brodie said the double ZZ to go with the jaZZ would be aweswom. Instant jersey sponsor should be Dairy Queen. I understand the dont rush with naming, but if smith has had his mind set on bringing nhl to utah for years or atleast January, you cant expect that they hadnt started drafting designs and concepts until april
@@Soundtracks92 I would hope for a non-animal team name, just feels hard to root for if someone isn't that into, blizzard is fairly neutral, though I hope the logo doesn't have something holding a stick or a Puck inside it
Think its going to be Blizzards. Blizzards are massive, sound intimidating and Utah is known for the best snow in the world. It matches that we have amazing winter sports here.
I said it all along. nhl needs to just get rid of or contract az. and start up with a new team in slc. Bettman can spin this any way he wants but that is what basically happened. Just using 'de-activated az. franchise' instead of 'dissolving az. franchise'. When 5 year window ends and merulo has done nothing az. yotes will officially cease to exist. And slc gets new team and az. players, coaches, etc. out of this 'de-activation' status to keep nhlpa happy with jobs kept and nhl now out of mullett.
It is not small at all. Theres always corporate money available. Yiu say that as if it's a bad thing and online gambling is how most people gamble especially millennials. Utah is a way more pleasant and safer state than Arizona. Arizona homicide and crime rates are increasing and downtown Phoenix is a shithole with the fentanyl and illegal immigration. Utah is more family oriented state due to Mormonism. Houston is another shithole and crime ridden and povert stricken City with severe drug issues. They should have never went to Phoenix in first place andvthe greed yiu complain about is the only reason they went down there in first place. The mistake was going down there to begin with. It didnt work and the experiment lasted a quarter century and the teams were consistently awful. Nobody wanted to play there or live there evident by the teams inability to attract big free agents. The nhl is in the business of making money, dont know why you are shocked and upset at that fact?
They’re going to avoid names that are the same / too similar to existing pro sports franchises - the Raptors in Toronto, the Eagles in Philly. Also, in the NHL, “Golden” is already taken by Vegas.
To all those people saying they won't repeat names. You know, aren't there? The San, the New York Giants. Aren't there the New York Jets and the Winnipeg jethat's personally I think? They should call themselves the redskins. Or the Indians just to p*** off the professors at Wolk State University.
I don't begrudge Utah getting an NHL or any pro sports franchise. What's disgraceful though is them handing out $900 million in tax money to some billionaire to build a stadium. It just looks pathetic, like Utah is desperate for validation.
It’s actually because SLC also landed the 2034 Olympics and wanted a new stadium for hockey/metals ceremonies. Ryan smith took advantage of this at the same time and he’s actually using the funds now to renovate the delta center and create a huge entertainment district in downtown SLC with lots of new housing. So it’s not for validation just super smart and killing many birds with one stone. ;)
Just move the coyotes to Houston, I'm upset that we lost the only Columbus Phoenix rivalry in sports. We need more Houston Columbus, Houston Buffalo and Houston Las Vegas rivalries in sports, because there's only one Houston Buffalo rivalry which is only in the NFL, only one Houston Columbus rivalry which is only in the MLS and only one Houston Las Vegas rivalry which is only in the NFL. With the coyotes gone, there's only one Phoenix Buffalo rivalry in the NFL only, only one Phoenix Nashville rivalry in the NFL only, only one Phoenix St. Louis rivalry in the MLB only and only one Phoenix Las Vegas rivalry in the NFL only. I don't want another scenario where a city has an nba, mls, nhl and maybe an mlb team but missing an nfl team, just like how Los Angeles was missing an nfl team from 1995-2015, or how the Washington DC was missing an MLB team from 1972-2004, so move the chargers to Slalt Lake City too.
houston doesn't like hockey there are no houston columbus, houston buffalo or houston vegas rivalries AT ALL and saying it out loud makes me realize how boring those matches would be HOUSTON-DALLAS is a rivalry..... but nobody in Texas likes hockey
@@sampicanoNobody is Texas likes hockey? Pantera only did their goal song lol. Dallas does better attendance then most Canadian teams. They sell out every game. Nice try though.
@@sampicano LOL Houston has a downtown arena, and more corporate money there than in like 5 Canadian markets COMBINED. To say nothing of its massive population.
@@geoff3103 And Atlanta failed twice Phoenix failed this year teams that lose the most money are: Florida (Miami) Carolina (Raleigh) Anaheim (Los Angeles) COOL! So you can add another failure in the South in Houston! - they can generate as much revenue as Atlanta (relocated), or Phoenix (relocated) or Florida (loses more money than ANY other team in the NHL), or Anaheim (loses SECOND most money in the NHL) hahahaha Houston is a TERRIBLE hockey market. You don't have to be Canadian to see that, you just can't be stupid....(or American apparently). Yes, there are 7.1 million people....cough cough Anaheim/LA is bigger lol and is BLEEDING money
NOTHING makes sense about Utah. Its too small, corporate money isn't there, and they don't drink or gamble enough. I hope Ryan is conning everyone just to get a new basketball arena then he can sell the team and move them to Houston where they belong. They shouldn't have even left Phoenix if the NHL was capable of getting them a downtown Phoenix arena. Thats ALL they had to do for its entire existence in Arizona, and they failed. AGAIN. This is just another in a long line of screwups by the NHL. I love hockey but hate the NH:L because they embarrass its fans with their cheap and greedy ways.
that makes no sense. smith already paid $1.2 billion expansion price which was way overinflated re-location price. he wouldn't make much profit doing that. And they are doing a total re-vamp of jazz arena to add 5,000 seats for nhl viewing. and nhl wants houston for expansion $billion.
@@geoff3103well than why don't you explain it to me? you must have a degree in sport business to better explain things to me. I followed this shit saga for 15 years. And where you are wrong is nhl should have never gone to phx. in the first place to play out of an nba arena not suited for nhl. That began the big $$$ losses. Then yotes had a fine arena in glendale then in typical yote fashion they fkd that away. I don't think i need a sports lawyer or executive to explain that to me.
Just give Toronto a second team. A second team in Toronto would be WAY MORE successful than a team in Salt Lake City. Ontario has 145,816 registered hockey players. And 14,223,942 people. Utah only has 3,861 players and only 3,271,616 people. Toronto. The city of Toronto. HAS MORE PEOPLE (6,202,225) THAN ALL OF UTAH (3,271,616). A second NHL team in Toronto would be valued way more than one struggling in Utah-Arizona. And I'm not even including Hamilton (785,184). And not including Oshawa (415,311) And not including St. Catharines-Niagara (433,604) And not including Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge (575,847) The more I look into it I realize the newest NHL team should be in Ontario. (Or a real hockey market.) You know who LOVES HOCKEY CULTURE? (drinking smoking strip clubs late nights fighting) Mormons. Mormons LOVE HOCKEY CULTURE! Utah will be a perfect fit for hard drinking hockey players - hard drinking Canadians who have been drinking since age 18. They're going to LOVE living there! Perfect fit! EDIT: I just googled strip club rules and nudity/drinking laws in Utah.... I was trying to be a jerk. But seriously, now that I Googled that...Sat Lake City might actually be one of the worst fits for an NHL team. No exaggeration. No being a jerk anymore. Hockey players will not want to play there. Canadians will hate it....I've had a fake since I was 17 (titty bars and drinking since 17 - Utah doesn't know what they are in for - they have NO idea what hockey culture is)
It's a cold weather state. It's a winter sports state. They have hosted the winter Olympics and might be chosen as a permanent winter Olympics site. They have passionate sports fans. It's clear Canadian's would be happy if the NHL was only 6 teams but that wouldn't make it a major sport. Adding teams in Canada doesn't grow the game. It's double dipping. Ottawa is a failure. Winnipeg is a failure. Canadian's are in denial about these facts. Drinking? Strip clubs? What does that have to do with hockey? These are professional athletes with families. Could you be more out of touch? What strip clubs do they have in Canada these days? Drag queen story hour? Men with money and game don't go to strip clubs. They get the real thing.
Hockey players like doing things other than going to strip clubs man. I've known plenty that would rather go skiing/snowboarding, hiking, mountain biking, etc with the few that wanted to drag everyone to a strip club being in the minority
@@mr.brenman2132 spoken like somebody who doesn't follow hockey Milwaukee exists Portland exists Toronto-Hamilton exists Quebec City exists and Salt Lake City will be the SECOND smallest US market in the NHL.... AND FUN FACT - for a "cold weather state".... it isn't a cold weather state....look it up, maybe the mountain tops are??? is that what you mean? the rocky mountains have SNOW? yes they do But fun fact for a cold weather state utah hs some of the LOWEST, WORST hockey registration numbers in America And strip clubs and bars are open until 2am and 3am in Canada - and drinking age is 18 in some places. So smarten up, give your head a shake....hockey players don't go to mormon church
no chance. The Leafs will not allow it. They havent allowed it for over 100 years. Closest you MIGHT (still a big might) get an NHL team is Hamilton. But no way in Toronto proper eh?
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I’m so excited for an NHL team here in Utah! My daughter and I have been going to the ECHL team here in Utah the Grizzlies. The game are so fun! I can’t imagine what the energy for an NHL team will be like. We will still be supporting the Grizzlies as long as they are here. We are very loyal! Haha but it’s still exciting! As long as the tickets aren’t crazy expensive I can’t wait to see some NHL action!
I’ve gone to several Grizzlies games, and a few years ago went to an Avs game. The energy difference is amazing. Hard to even compare.
They should just promote the Grizzlies and use that logo and name for the NHL team
its honestly refreshing Utah is embracing the coyotes.
@@NewDesignVinylGraphics Why? When the Grizzlies are already an established team in Utah.
Minor League hockey has such a unique atmosphere, they can't get rid of our Grizzlies
I get that Utah should take time to figure out the name.. but as an excited fan of our new team I think I speak for everyone when I say we want merch
Utah Yeti let's go
Utah Hoodoos 🏒
You can still have merch just like at the PWHL we’re doing just fine without team names and we’ve still made merch, it’s better you take your time to get this right
The Stormin' Mormons! Let's Go!
@@Vossenatoryeti is awful. Utah Summit or Grizzlies
A few updates. 27K+ season ticket are down payments. They're doing partial packages. The current stadium as of 2024's home opener, 16.3k seats, 12.5k with premium views. Less than 20% of the Jazz season ticket holders have bought NHL season ticket packages.... this was VERY interesting. Oh all this info was all shared by Ryan Smith in the past 24-48 hours. Most on this interview w/ Pat McAfee.
Great coverage! I've really appreciated all the excellent videos on the move.
Fair video with smart analysis … nice work.
That is more sheets of ice then Dallas had when the North Stars moved
A lot of reporters outside Utah fail to know/mention Utah has had minor league pro hockey for decades and it has thrived. Fans in UT are well-versed in the game. They haven't been without a team, just because it hasnt been NHL
17500 is great not too big. I actually love the jets at full capacity 15000 I think is perfect the fans at the very top still have a good view and it’s a great environment
Great context by including the number of hockey players in each state. To see how important amateur hockey is, and how good of a job Arizona has done over the years, their number was almost 10,000. For comparison, though, a traditional hockey market like Minnesota has almost 60,000 for a state with a significantly smaller population.
Does that count kinds shoveling off sections of frozen lakes to make rinks?
@@michaelmarkowski204 nope, only those registered with USA Hockey. Interestingly enough, I took a look at all the states and Minnesota has the most registered hockey players of the entire US. Back in the 90s and 00s, Michigan had the most, but Michigan has declined by about 20,000 skaters than when it was at it's peak. Massachusetts has the second most, but I think still 10,000 less than Minnesota.
@@captbloodbeard Yeah, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota are all great youth hockey states. Throw in Wisconsin too. Glad the NHL returned to MN with the Wild, though I'm not big on the new nickname.
@@captbloodbeard Also gotta keep in mind that it's expensive for kids to play youth hockey given the equipment, ice time, etc. Soccer / baseball / basketball are far cheaper sports for parents to pay for - even youth football is less pricey than youth hockey.
The NHL will work there. You can tell there’s a passion for winter sports already. Arizona was always a struggle to even without the stadium drama
Nah. Just like Florida it was seeded by Yankee transplants. It didn't catch on because unlike the panthers and bolts, they've always had poor ownership and no home.
The bolts succeeded because they had the thunderdome which was a high capacity arena football stadium at the time so they were able to seed the fan base because tickets while they were there were dirt cheap. Like $5 for the 300 level, because they had so many seats. John Tucker setup a youth hockey school that was also dirt cheap. They let kids wander around and watch from the 1dt level regardless where your seats actually were as long as no one was sitting there.
Their general attitude towards fans was a long term one wanting ti make generations of bolts fans.
They were so focused on the kids in the area. Heck, my hockey team got to play on the ice when I was 10 during an intermission it was so awesome being cheered for 😂
The coyotes ownership never really focused on long term growth.
I'm thinking if they went with Utah Scouts, it would be a nod to the first inhabitants of the state as well as to the mountain men like Jim Bridger and the first pioneers who saw the valley.
Smith has already said that he is going to fix the lack of ice rinks in Utah.
This inspired me to check on something. Apparently Gainbridge Fieldhouse *could* host an NHL sized rink, though it would be awkward. I don't think that Indianapolis had anything else the NHL was looking for (well, experienced owners, but i don't know that the Irsays and the Simons have expressed any interest in the NHL). No, Indy wasn't going to get the Coyotes, nor should they have.
Bring back the Racers - the first pro hockey team Wayne Gretzky played for.
A couple of questions. I keep hearing that Utah doesn't have very many rinks. My question is, "what do you consider a lot of rinks?". SL county has 7(not counting Maverik or Delta). How many rinks does Phoenix have? I'm also not sure how they are calculating "amateur" players. I'm assuming that is registered with USA hockey and i know of a few leagues that play under different orgs than USA hockey. Depending on how that is calculated I could see that number being low.
I’m happy to call this team NHL Utah for now as its working in the PWHL as all year I’ve been saying I’d rather be known as PWHL Minnesota than have a crappy name, my heart bleeds for Arizona but hopefully I’ll be less frosty towards NHL Utah when they play our Sharks next season but I’ll need time which is something Utah doesn’t have to get this ready
If they’re going to be spending big money on renovations, I truly believe that Ryan Smith should completely demolish the Delta Center, and build a brand new arena on that same site, and have both NBA and NHL teams play at the Maverick Center for 2-3 years until it is built.
He already explained why he won’t do that.
No way Bettman would've agreed to that.
@@michaelmarkowski204 Silver wouldn’t have either
These TH-cam stories on Utah and the NHL have become a bit much, but I always your coverage because you do your homework and add a level of professionalism most do not. Keep up with great videos all around Brodie!
Ryan did a 32 Thoughts podcast this morning . It was little informative.
10:15 You can blame that on skiing being way more popular up here
Brodie! we NEED a Mason Miller vid!! ❤
trying to connect with Pitching Ninja for that!!
I remember in the ‘90’s, when Nashville was announced as an expansion team. Fans were very suspect of team in DEEP SOUTH. I viewed it as being prejudice against Southerners.
Of COURSE we were prejudiced against southerners! Not nearly as prejudiced as southerners are towards 'damn yankees', so dont fear that we will steal your thunder! Have you ever heard the term 'Yankee flatball'? thats how i heard my Dixie cousins refer to hockey! You hayseeds STILL shouldnt have hockey! LOL
Also the Hurricanes in Raleigh. The Panthers in South Florida. The Lightning in Tampa. All succeeded.
It was a gamble, as all of the NHL's southern expansions were. In Nashville's case, they certainly had better support than some Southern NHL cities (looking at you, Atlanta!) Plus, Nashville really isn't Deep South. Nor is Raleigh. Both are doing okay.
The whole nontraditional hockey market thing started with the 1967 NHL expansion: Doubling in size from six teams to twelve, and with the Original Six geographic distribution being hopelessly out of whack with North American population distribution at the time, the six expansion cities were selected as they were because of major constraints. First off, Montreal and Toronto blocked any attempt to put another team in Canada. Outcry was such that the NHL finally enfranchised the Canucks in 1970 when Montreal and Toronto finally withdrew their blocks after intense pressure, including threatened beer boycotts (Both teams owners owned major breweries) from the Canadian people. Next, CBS demanded two of the six teams be placed in California as a condition of getting a TV contract done, which became the Kings and the Seals. The Kings plodded along until Gretzky joined them in 1988 but L.A. is so big it wasn't going to fail. The Seals, on the other hand, never got going. Bottom feeders, they moved to Cleveland in the 1970s then were merged into the North Stars organization. The Sharks are technically the reincarnation of the Seals as that organization was spun off of the North Stars organization when it was founded. Finally, St. Louis did not even submit a bid for an NHL expansion team in 1967, but they got one simply because the Norris family, which owned the Red Wings and had interests in the Black Hawks and the Bruins, owned an arena in St. Louis that they wanted to fill.
To this day, the Canadian teams are still very hostile to any Canadian expansion, maybe because Hockey Night in Canada money only goes so far. Toronto and Buffalo would scream bloody murder at any attempt to put a team in Hamilton. Ditto for Montreal and Quebec City. What I can't figure out is why no NHL expansion was ever considered for Houston, who has a track record of hockey support, the best in the south. The Aeros were one of the WHA's most successful franchises. Instead a third team to fail in Atlanta is making the rumor circuit.
@@craigrohn9938 The Canadiens would allow a team in Quebec City if a few dollars were thrown their way. The Habs had the highest average game attendance in the NHL this season at over 21K per game with a bad team. The Bell Centre is the largest capacity arena in the NHL at 21,105. These are not people from Quebec City. The rivalry aspect alone makes it attractive. The biggest bench-clearing brawl in NHL history occurred during a Canadien / Nordique game. Agree Houston should get an NHL team, but so will Atlanta (third time's the charm).
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Canadiens had a track record of opposing ANY new Canadian team, not just Quebec City. Wholeheartedly agree though, that Quebec City should be near the top of list for future teams.
I truly question the wisdom of putting a third team in Atlanta to fail. I know plenty of people from that part of the country. All of them see the NHL as not a major American sports league. For hockey to grow in Georgia, any new team would have to get good quick and the people must learn the finer points of the sport, at least as much as Nashville has, or even better, how Houston supported the Astros
Coincidence that Bettman "finalized" the deal and was ready to announce the move to Utah the day after the Coyotes last home game at Mullett....? Wonder when he would've announced it if the Coyotes snuck into the playoffs this season....?
Another aspect of the registered Amateur Hockey players being a low number in Utah is the fact that most of the groups in Utah are registered as independent and don't use USA hockey because of the problems they have had with that organization. Almost all of Utah County is no longer affiliated so wouldn't count in that 4,500 number, even though we have a thousand players in men's league and youth programs.
If there’s one thing Utah produces by the bucket-load, it’s kids, and they all play sports. Jr.Jazz league is the largest kids b-ball league in the country as far as I know. There will be a whole generation of hockey players coming soon.
How about you do a video for us Utah noobies about NHL salary caps, contracts, draft picks, and free agency.
Speak for yourself, there's a ton of knowledgeable hockey fans in Utah who have followed the NHL for decades.
What would it take to get you and your phenomenal talent up here to Utah with this new team?
The Delta Center concessions need to add Poutine.
And a Tim Horton’s!
If I am involved in the decision to bring sports to Utah, I don't bring hockey to Utah. I would go for a different sport first. A sport that isn't competing with the only other sport in town. The NHL and NBA play at the same time and will be competing for the same fans.
I think the new owners have been working on this in the background for a while. I don't think Betman would have approved the sale otherwise. I don't think Utah will be a bad hickey market, and like was stated, the new team will expand and make new local hockey rinks.
Ryan Smith attempted to buy The Pittsburgh Penguins when they were for sale in 2021. The Fenway Sports Group won out. They own The Red Sox and Liverpool Football Club as well.
Ryan Smith has been talking to Bettman since 2022 and biding his time. Smith owns The Utah Jazz and Bettman was in The NBA head office before The NHL called. That Jazz ownership gives Smith a track record.
They would have to pay me a lot of money for the name of my Utah Blizzard hockey team. We have been a semi-pro senior check team since 2010. I am willing to negotiate though. ;)
Great Coverage!
How about the Utah Hatus? What's a Hatu? What's a Utah?
The perfect name "Swarm" unfortunately is already taken by a Lacrosse league team
Kind of like the winnipeg jets of the new york jets
Also a majority white area is good for a hockey market
I've heard the name 'Utah Salty Dogs' cast out there. Too soon?
I think things also need to be taken into account like desirability to live there. I know 0 people that would willing move to Utah. I know the nature there is great but the people and laws aren't. Phoenix was a top 5 place to go see travel to an away game Utah is last place
I think the rest of the leagues will follow the NFL, The NFL might expand 2-4 teams getting them to 34-36 so i dont see the rest expanding beyond that besides MLS
K hear me out. We need to get the old 2015 crew together from the Blues. TJ Oshi, Ryan Reeves, Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Statsny, Jake Allen. And then keep or buy in the promising young dudes. Get The Utah Blizzards off to a good start 😄
Wow 16 is paltry. I count 21 sheets within 10 miles of my house.
If you want to see what the future of junior/amateur hockey will look like, do a dive into the Junior Jazz. Providing leagues for kids is not a new thing here.
Reading an article about the Arizona ownership and it didn't portray them in a very good light. NHL probably happy to get those guys out of the league if what I read was actually true.
They should do exactly what Washington DC did, just go with The Utah Hockey Club for the first season or even two.
The Smiths are terrible owners. They’ve destroyed the Jazz in little over 3 years. Not sure why their ownership keeps being mentioned as a positive.
Your absolutely right.
I vote for naming the hockey team the Utah Brodies!
Keeping the NHL 16 West 16 East was the only ever condition for the Coyotes moving. Out to Quebec City like most Canadians wanted was NEVER going to happen. The NHL wants equal conferences no alignment difference.
Try, like most REAL hockey fans wanted! I'm an American and i want Quebec to get their Hockey team back before ANY new market gets a team!
To me, Spikers would be the most logical, and Utah history connected name - with a steam engine as a logo. (Dropping the "Golden" since Foley already grabbed that one.)...Yeah, I'm not holding my breath though. It'll be some cartoonish, kid appeal character designed to sell merch to kids. They can take four years, and they'll still get it wrong. Look at the Washington Football Team...Marketing firms suck all the randomness and joy out of life - on all levels...
I think most of the money from SB272 will go to fund the surrounding entertainment district.
The NHL can't go back to Quebec.... not now at least.
RS wants you to have merchandise, but still...
1. It ain’t Phoenix
2. SLC actually wants this team, unlike Phoenix.
3. Bettman wasted everyone’s time for WAY too much time; this is long overdue good move.
Phoenix wants the team. They just don't want the ownership. The Coyotes never had a chance in Phoenix.
@@mr.brenman2132 phx. really wanted team so bad they voted a resounding NO when they had the chance to keep it last may.
@@stevenbauer4799 Sports referendums rarely work out. I guess you think people from Kansas City don't want the Chiefs. A small group of people in Tempe voted no. They were under the impression that there were going to be tax payers dollars spent. There was also some union issues. This is the failure of ownership.
@@mr.brenman2132 i know exactly how sports referendums work. In az. it wasn't tx payers $$$'s that were going to be spent. It was the tax breaks Merullo was going to get at the expense of taxpayers. That is why tempe voted NO. That would have happened anywhere in az. Merullo was an untrustworthy con man. And phx. forces that be will never let an arena go up anywhere near phx. and take $$$'s away from suns arena so no matter how they sliced it up it was never going to pass. It was a failure in az. by lying ownership and bettman broken promises. In kc fans were smart enough to say NO to that shit. And told an owner worth $25 billion to fund his own $500 mil. upgrades. It had nothing to do with not wanting the chiefs and everything to do with saying NO to corporate welfare.
@@stevenbauer4799 If he buys the land it will be a step towards a new arena. It was Bettman's fault allowing the team to go to Meruelo. AZ has never had a chance. Never a good location for an arena. Never a NHL caliber arena. Never consistent success. Never good ownership.
I think Utah Raptors would be a cool name that still feels major league. Toronto Raptors have made it work. Plus the Utah Raptor is the biggest in the raptor family.
yall shall go watch the video: Gary Bettman getting booed for a decade in the NHL draft
Utah shakers...like salt shaker
I used to frequent Salt Lake City, but it's been 20 years now. Guess it has drastically changed, because it was not a hockey town at all.
What happened to how the Central was the perfect landing place for a Houston team? Arizona fans will not become Utah fans, how ugly would that be if/when Coyotes return? I’ll be cheering for Florida until the Coyotes return.
I love how all these comments are being made without realizing the deal is already been done, what do you think, the leauge is just gonna back out and go to toronto, quebec or houston due to fan fair? Sheesh get real
The Olympics should _not_ be a reason to throw hundreds of millions of public money at the Delta Center. One of the biggest selling points for Salt Lake landing the 2034 Games is being able to reuse existing venues with minimal updates.
The Olympics is not the main reason. It’s a chance to build a sustainable and updated downtown in SLC.
@@wadewixom7029 Then why mention the Olympics? Also, check out Field of Schemes and similar sites - there are better ways to revitalize downtown cores than throwing public money at private pleasure palaces. I’m excited for the NHL to land in Utah, but I’m definitely wary about the spending.
Can I just say that us utahns are very sick of the jokes about how Utah Jazz makes no sense
I thought for years that "Jazz" was supposed to be an adjective and not actually referring to the musical genre
I assume a lot of kids in Utah were like me cause we don't question it.
Utah was a better choice but the NHL needs to come to terms with the fact that sunbelt teams are just gonna always have to deal with fair weather fans for the most part. Of course there’s some hardcore ones and they’re real ones for that. But the support for the lightening or canes or kings rely on their performance. That’s why the Yotes should have been put in QC
From what I am hearing, will the NHL actually allow the owner in Arizona to buy back in? The owner didn’t exactly endear himself to the league.
The NHL set the owner’s milestones and it’s up to him to meet them. Most of us diehard Yotes fans believe it’s an uphill battle for him.
@@Michael_RareZebra that is what I thought. I hope you can get an owner that will do better.
@@roywall8169 Thank you. I think we need some time to heal here in AZ and having this horrible owner lingering around doesn’t help as we lost trust in him.
Utah outlaws
Do you think that the Coyotes would be in this position if they somehow were in the playoffs?
Probably. I don't think anyone wanted to play out of a college arena for at least another 3 years, and Bettman was willing to do it as an end to a means.
Dude... you got some things off😂
Dont follow the 900 mil, follow the 200mil that the Smith group paid over and above that the boatd of governor's got to split😂
Second..
Over 22,000 season ticket requsts BUT less than 500 of those requests are season ticket holders for the Jazz, pro sports will be fine in Salt Lake !
Nothing sounds more big market like Utah Hockey Club, ........ todays game the Avalanche vs. the Hockey Club, the Kraken vs. the Hockey Club, just pick a name already, not that tuff
no not tough, but there's no rush. A team that will be around for decades, just take some time and get it right.
Bro yeti is just as bad.
Team name: Salt Lake Exodus
BliZZards like brodie said the double ZZ to go with the jaZZ would be aweswom. Instant jersey sponsor should be Dairy Queen.
I understand the dont rush with naming, but if smith has had his mind set on bringing nhl to utah for years or atleast January, you cant expect that they hadnt started drafting designs and concepts until april
I actually kinda like Utah Blizzards. Would go well with the Jazz
@@Soundtracks92 I would hope for a non-animal team name, just feels hard to root for if someone isn't that into, blizzard is fairly neutral, though I hope the logo doesn't have something holding a stick or a Puck inside it
The Buzz
You want a Russian tank for a mascot? Maybe a swastika?...Lose the double zeds...
Blizzard is dumb as hell
Utaha
Hope they do something better than the rebranding of the Jazz. Most those unis are horrible.
What happens to the minor league team in Utah. Nobody's talking about the Grizzlies? Just curious..
Think its going to be Blizzards. Blizzards are massive, sound intimidating and Utah is known for the best snow in the world. It matches that we have amazing winter sports here.
Most of Utah doesn't experience snow, let alone blizzards
the salt
Utah Phoenix 🐦🔥
The winnipeg Phoenix of uta
If Utah is to be named something other than Grizzlies, I think they should take the Blizzard name with a Yeti logo
Or Summit if they and fans are so Bent on this yeti Jargin
Blizzard is horrible. Utah doesn’t even get blizzards 😆
The Utah Stormin' Mormons
😂
Honestly I'm pretty tired of hearing the joke names. Just don't even bother with your input
Get original
Pathetically unfunny and unoriginal
Utah coyotes and
Follow the story. That can't happen. Name was retained by AZ owner
First Salt Lake City, then Portland.
No way, Portland is dying. Businesses and people can’t get out fast enough. The city is packed with homeless and drugged out junkies.
Portland is a dying city thanks to its far Left politics. NO thank you!
utah angels
That's actually pretty good
@@NewDesignVinylGraphics thx i mean it makes sense yeah?
Utah Venom.
Why?
Better than BlIzZaRd 🤡
I said it all along. nhl needs to just get rid of or contract az. and start up with a new team in slc. Bettman can spin this any way he wants but that is what basically happened. Just using 'de-activated az. franchise' instead of 'dissolving az. franchise'. When 5 year window ends and merulo has done nothing az. yotes will officially cease to exist. And slc gets new team and az. players, coaches, etc. out of this 'de-activation' status to keep nhlpa happy with jobs kept and nhl now out of mullett.
Utah Raptors! Lets go!
Agree. Can't believe Raptors hasn't already been trademarked by another pro team.
Utah Sun Dogs or Solar Bears
Orlando Solar Bears. Not a good Utah fit
Sun dogs is too closely related to Coyotes. That won't happen
It is not small at all. Theres always corporate money available. Yiu say that as if it's a bad thing and online gambling is how most people gamble especially millennials. Utah is a way more pleasant and safer state than Arizona. Arizona homicide and crime rates are increasing and downtown Phoenix is a shithole with the fentanyl and illegal immigration. Utah is more family oriented state due to Mormonism. Houston is another shithole and crime ridden and povert stricken City with severe drug issues. They should have never went to Phoenix in first place andvthe greed yiu complain about is the only reason they went down there in first place. The mistake was going down there to begin with. It didnt work and the experiment lasted a quarter century and the teams were consistently awful. Nobody wanted to play there or live there evident by the teams inability to attract big free agents. The nhl is in the business of making money, dont know why you are shocked and upset at that fact?
Utah Guardians, Utah Yeti, Utah Blizzards
All awful
Utah subterranean bees
Utah Posse
AZ should never get another NHL team
I agree! 30 years was long enough to make it work!
Utah Raptors, Utah Golden Eagles, or Utah Eagles 🦅 I hope it’s one of those 3 names
UTAH GRIZZLIES
THE SINGLE GREATEST LOGO IN HOCKEY
Eagles play football. The Golden Eagles play in Marquette. Raptors play basketball. Get original.
They’re going to avoid names that are the same / too similar to existing pro sports franchises - the Raptors in Toronto, the Eagles in Philly. Also, in the NHL, “Golden” is already taken by Vegas.
To all those people saying they won't repeat names. You know, aren't there? The San, the New York Giants. Aren't there the New York Jets and the Winnipeg jethat's personally I think?
They should call themselves the redskins. Or the Indians just to p*** off the professors at Wolk State University.
@@mr.brenman2132Salt Lake City historically had a minor league hockey team named the Golden Eagles in three different leagues from 1969 to 1994.
Utah Yeti's
Please no !
I don't begrudge Utah getting an NHL or any pro sports franchise. What's disgraceful though is them handing out $900 million in tax money to some billionaire to build a stadium. It just looks pathetic, like Utah is desperate for validation.
It’s actually because SLC also landed the 2034 Olympics and wanted a new stadium for hockey/metals ceremonies. Ryan smith took advantage of this at the same time and he’s actually using the funds now to renovate the delta center and create a huge entertainment district in downtown SLC with lots of new housing. So it’s not for validation just super smart and killing many birds with one stone. ;)
Just move the coyotes to Houston, I'm upset that we lost the only Columbus Phoenix rivalry in sports. We need more Houston Columbus, Houston Buffalo and Houston Las Vegas rivalries in sports, because there's only one Houston Buffalo rivalry which is only in the NFL, only one Houston Columbus rivalry which is only in the MLS and only one Houston Las Vegas rivalry which is only in the NFL. With the coyotes gone, there's only one Phoenix Buffalo rivalry in the NFL only, only one Phoenix Nashville rivalry in the NFL only, only one Phoenix St. Louis rivalry in the MLB only and only one Phoenix Las Vegas rivalry in the NFL only. I don't want another scenario where a city has an nba, mls, nhl and maybe an mlb team but missing an nfl team, just like how Los Angeles was missing an nfl team from 1995-2015, or how the Washington DC was missing an MLB team from 1972-2004, so move the chargers to Slalt Lake City too.
houston doesn't like hockey
there are no houston columbus, houston buffalo or houston vegas rivalries AT ALL
and saying it out loud makes me realize how boring those matches would be
HOUSTON-DALLAS is a rivalry.....
but nobody in Texas likes hockey
@@sampicanoNobody is Texas likes hockey? Pantera only did their goal song lol. Dallas does better attendance then most Canadian teams. They sell out every game. Nice try though.
I really thought Houston was the next city for an NHL expansion team
@@sampicano LOL Houston has a downtown arena, and more corporate money there than in like 5 Canadian markets COMBINED. To say nothing of its massive population.
@@geoff3103 And Atlanta failed twice
Phoenix failed this year
teams that lose the most money are:
Florida (Miami)
Carolina (Raleigh)
Anaheim (Los Angeles)
COOL!
So you can add another failure in the South in Houston!
- they can generate as much revenue as Atlanta (relocated), or Phoenix (relocated) or Florida (loses more money than ANY other team in the NHL), or Anaheim (loses SECOND most money in the NHL) hahahaha
Houston is a TERRIBLE hockey market. You don't have to be Canadian to see that, you just can't be stupid....(or American apparently). Yes, there are 7.1 million people....cough cough Anaheim/LA is bigger lol and is BLEEDING money
NOTHING makes sense about Utah. Its too small, corporate money isn't there, and they don't drink or gamble enough. I hope Ryan is conning everyone just to get a new basketball arena then he can sell the team and move them to Houston where they belong. They shouldn't have even left Phoenix if the NHL was capable of getting them a downtown Phoenix arena. Thats ALL they had to do for its entire existence in Arizona, and they failed. AGAIN. This is just another in a long line of screwups by the NHL. I love hockey but hate the NH:L because they embarrass its fans with their cheap and greedy ways.
that makes no sense. smith already paid $1.2 billion expansion price which was way overinflated re-location price. he wouldn't make much profit doing that. And they are doing a total re-vamp of jazz arena to add 5,000 seats for nhl viewing. and nhl wants houston for expansion $billion.
@@stevenbauer4799 well thats not my fault you don't understand how things work. Ask a sports lawyer or an NFL or NBA executive
This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen. We don't deserve a team because we don't drink lol
@@geoff3103well than why don't you explain it to me? you must have a degree in sport business to better explain things to me. I followed this shit saga for 15 years. And where you are wrong is nhl should have never gone to phx. in the first place to play out of an nba arena not suited for nhl. That began the big $$$ losses. Then yotes had a fine arena in glendale then in typical yote fashion they fkd that away. I don't think i need a sports lawyer or executive to explain that to me.
@@Gpsrater5 I think this dude was drinking when he wrote that shit. makes no sense.
Just give Toronto a second team.
A second team in Toronto would be WAY MORE successful than a team in Salt Lake City.
Ontario has 145,816 registered hockey players. And 14,223,942 people.
Utah only has 3,861 players and only 3,271,616 people.
Toronto. The city of Toronto. HAS MORE PEOPLE (6,202,225) THAN ALL OF UTAH (3,271,616).
A second NHL team in Toronto would be valued way more than one struggling in Utah-Arizona.
And I'm not even including Hamilton (785,184).
And not including Oshawa (415,311)
And not including St. Catharines-Niagara (433,604)
And not including Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge (575,847)
The more I look into it I realize the newest NHL team should be in Ontario.
(Or a real hockey market.)
You know who LOVES HOCKEY CULTURE?
(drinking smoking strip clubs late nights fighting)
Mormons. Mormons LOVE HOCKEY CULTURE!
Utah will be a perfect fit for hard drinking hockey players - hard drinking Canadians who have been drinking since age 18.
They're going to LOVE living there!
Perfect fit!
EDIT:
I just googled strip club rules and nudity/drinking laws in Utah....
I was trying to be a jerk. But seriously, now that I Googled that...Sat Lake City might actually be one of the worst fits for an NHL team.
No exaggeration. No being a jerk anymore. Hockey players will not want to play there. Canadians will hate it....I've had a fake since I was 17 (titty bars and drinking since 17 - Utah doesn't know what they are in for - they have NO idea what hockey culture is)
It's a cold weather state. It's a winter sports state. They have hosted the winter Olympics and might be chosen as a permanent winter Olympics site. They have passionate sports fans. It's clear Canadian's would be happy if the NHL was only 6 teams but that wouldn't make it a major sport. Adding teams in Canada doesn't grow the game. It's double dipping. Ottawa is a failure. Winnipeg is a failure. Canadian's are in denial about these facts. Drinking? Strip clubs? What does that have to do with hockey? These are professional athletes with families. Could you be more out of touch? What strip clubs do they have in Canada these days? Drag queen story hour? Men with money and game don't go to strip clubs. They get the real thing.
Hockey players like doing things other than going to strip clubs man. I've known plenty that would rather go skiing/snowboarding, hiking, mountain biking, etc with the few that wanted to drag everyone to a strip club being in the minority
@@mr.brenman2132 spoken like somebody who doesn't follow hockey
Milwaukee exists
Portland exists
Toronto-Hamilton exists
Quebec City exists
and Salt Lake City will be the SECOND smallest US market in the NHL....
AND FUN FACT - for a "cold weather state"....
it isn't a cold weather state....look it up, maybe the mountain tops are??? is that what you mean? the rocky mountains have SNOW? yes they do
But fun fact for a cold weather state utah hs some of the LOWEST, WORST hockey registration numbers in America
And strip clubs and bars are open until 2am and 3am in Canada - and drinking age is 18 in some places.
So smarten up, give your head a shake....hockey players don't go to mormon church
Since you were 17...sounds like you are now 17 1/2
no chance. The Leafs will not allow it. They havent allowed it for over 100 years. Closest you MIGHT (still a big might) get an NHL team is Hamilton. But no way in Toronto proper eh?