wow..thank you so much dr Hahn for this wonderful explanation... I am so proud being called daughter of God in Roman Catholic church...God bless us all...
And we will drink 4th cup together with him in heaven like he said. Jesus said to them( James/John) , "The chalice that I drink, you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized; but to sit at my right or at my left is not mine to give but is for those for whom it has been prepared."
clever story. when protestants think they found a groundbraking new piece of theology, then the catholics like: yes we already have that back in the depo…
16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” He will not east AGAIN, implying he ate of the passover meal and then he said 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” Here the again is also there but when u check the greek there is no implication that he partook of the cup. Rather the opposite seems to be the case. And so he ate of the passover meal and said no longer will i eat but when he took the cup he gave it to them not partaking untill.... It was finishing
So at 22 minutes reference to the victory on the cross when all men will be drawn to himself. Question is since even today obviously all men are not drawn, many are not drawn, perhaps even most are not drawn to Jesus so are we a long way off from that fulfillment?
He needs to qualify his jew catagory statement to faithful jews and Israelites following God's prescribed order, as-opposed-to the larger faction of the pagan (pre-talmudic) jews (rejecting it) who were warring with them, persecuting and killing their faithful followers, priests and prophets off. They were NEVER (just like now) one uniform amorphous group.
ISAIAH 6;6-7 and LAST SUPPER; JOHN 6;53 to be conducted by CHOSEN CHURCH of UNBLEMISH "VIRGIN" PRIESTS. 1-PETER 2;9. REVELATION 14;3-4. Do not worry of enemy's accusations and blaming Rom CATHOLIC; because, even if we were the poorest sinful in others eyes; still, we, Roman Catholic RETAIN our TITLE as the CHOSEN CHURCH, after PETER, the ROCK or STONE who has the "KEYS" of Heaven to FORGIVE sins and all accusations. AMOS 6;14. ZECHARIAH 3;9. 2-SAMUEL 7;14-16. MATTHEW 16;18-19. REVELATION 3;7-10. The POPE is the SPIRITUAL Prince DAVID over all the Holy Mountains-Churches of GOD. EZEKIEL 37;24-25.
Your church rejected the Jewish interpretation is omitted from their dogmas . The true victory was in garden of Gethsemane,were it all started. No Gethsemane no Passover.
Deceitful. In the first 2 minutes when talking about the John 19:30 verse that states “ it is finished “, the speaker he was listening to didn’t know what “it” referred to and Mr. Hahn said it referred to our redemption . Had they read the previous verses the answer is obvious. John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled,saith I thirst. Obviously he is referring to Bible prophecy concerning his earthly ministry. If this is the premise for his book then it is built on a false premise.
Philo Ignored: The Jewish philosopher of Alexandria (20 B.C. - A.D. 50) wrote prolifically and frequently quoted the Old Testament, yet he never cited the Apocrypha, nor did he even mention these documents. Josephus Rejected: The Jewish historian, Josephus (A.D. 37-95), rejected them. He wrote: “We have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine” (Against Apion 1.8). Missing from Originated During Divine Silence: The apocryphal books were produced in an era when no inspired documents were being given by God. Malachi concludes his narrative in the Old Testament by urging Israel: “Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.” He then projects four centuries into the future and prophesied: “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come” (Mal. 4:4-5). This text pictured the coming of John the Baptist (cf. Mt. 11:14; Lk. 1:17). The implication of Malachi’s prophecy is that no prophet would arise from God until the coming of John. This excludes the apocryphal writings. Josephus confirms this when he declares: It is true, our history has been written since Artaxerxes very particularly, but has not been esteemed of the like authority with the former by our forefathers, because there has not been an exact succession of prophets since that time.
I disagree with Dr. Hahn's conclusions. First, he is ignoring what is in Luke 22:16 when he says that He will not EAT of the Passover until all is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God. Additionally, Dr. Hahn misquotes Jesus by stating the He said He would not “drink” until “it is fulfilled” when in fact Jesus said that He would not “eat of it”, referring to the Passover meal, until it is fulfilled…”. What did Jesus EAT while on the cross? If drinking the sour wine was the "fulfillment" of the "Kingdom of God" there is still something missing. Jesus is very specific when He says that He will drink it "new" in the Kingdom of God. Sour wine is not "new". The Greek work "kainos" refers to something recently made. I do not think that 'all was fulfilled' at the time when Jesus was still on the Cross. He had not yet died for the sins of the world (witnessed by the fact that He tasted the sour wine and also was still able to speak) and more importantly He had not yet been raised from the dead fulfilling His promise to restore the Holy Spirit to those who would believe on Him. The other issue is Jesus and His disciples did not eat the Passover Seder. The Pascal meal which He and his disciples ate was on the night of Passover. The Passover Seder, as was codified by Rabbi Hillel in the second century BC, was the meal that was eaten on the first night of the Feast of Unleavened bread. That would have been on the night after Jesus was laid in the tomb. The Seder if the meal with the cups that are drunk in a specific order. That was the meal that the religious leaders were concerned they would be "defiled" if they had entered the Praetorium (John 18:28). "...that they might eat the pasch". If they were GOING TO eat the Passover meal then it was a distinct meal from what Jesus and His disciples ate earlier the night before.
@@bobtosi9346 No, not at all. I’m just reading what is there. If you haven’t read the versus in question, then perhaps you should try it sometime and don’t just rely on the comments of some guy with “Dr.” in front of his name. What exactly do you take issue with?
@@bobtosi9346 I see. So does that mean that since you believe something that disagrees with what I believe that you are now the expert? Have you looked into my claims for yourself? I do not claim to be an expert but if you really cared about the truth you’d at least look into for yourself. I’m not asking anyone to take what I wrote with blind acceptance, rather I hope that it would at least warrant investigation. But, like most Christians, you don’t really care. The fact is we don’t have a whole lot to go on. I’m just going by what we have in the scriptures. If you see something different please correct me. God bless you.
Dr John Bergsma talks about how The Essenes used a different Calendar and that Jesus could have eaten the Passover on their calendar and offered himself on the other calendar.
“U” R in a great Place. Thank You 🙏 sharing. God is blessing YOU
Thank you. Thank you .thank you.Amen Eucharist is thankging meal a passover meal .
Although this was years ago, this book was recommended by our bible study teacher, thank you Dr Hahn, God Bless you
wow..thank you so much dr Hahn for this wonderful explanation... I am so proud being called daughter of God in Roman Catholic church...God bless us all...
Thank you Dr. HANN
What a great lecture. Ready to read his book "The Fourth Cup"
Amazing as always Dr. Hahn. God bless you. Excellent explanation
And we will drink 4th cup together with him in heaven like he said.
Jesus said to them( James/John) , "The chalice that I drink, you will drink,
and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized;
but to sit at my right or at my left is not mine to give
but is for those for whom it has been prepared."
Thank you!
Amazing 🤩 🙏
Such eloquence and very moving presentation...Dr. Hahn is such a good public speaker🙏🙏🙏thank you for posting this...
Yeah😊 he's always excited telling his faith..and it's contagious 😃🙏
@@agnes6969 thanx Agnes God bless you
Wonderful!! I am wowed
clever story. when protestants think they found a groundbraking new piece of theology, then the catholics like: yes we already have that back in the depo…
Thank you
This could go into the next Catechism
Está lo maximoo
16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
He will not east AGAIN, implying he ate of the passover meal and then he said
17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
Here the again is also there but when u check the greek there is no implication that he partook of the cup. Rather the opposite seems to be the case. And so he ate of the passover meal and said no longer will i eat but when he took the cup he gave it to them not partaking untill.... It was finishing
He was with us but not among us.
Where can I order your books besides in Amazon?
Is this based on one of Dr Hahn’s books?
Yes, ‘The Fourth Cup’.
So at 22 minutes reference to the victory on the cross when all men will be drawn to himself. Question is since even today obviously all men are not drawn, many are not drawn, perhaps even most are not drawn to Jesus so are we a long way off from that fulfillment?
He needs to qualify his jew catagory statement to faithful jews and Israelites following God's prescribed order, as-opposed-to the larger faction of the pagan (pre-talmudic) jews (rejecting it) who were warring with them, persecuting and killing their faithful followers, priests and prophets off. They were NEVER (just like now) one uniform amorphous group.
ISAIAH 6;6-7 and LAST SUPPER; JOHN 6;53 to be conducted by CHOSEN CHURCH of UNBLEMISH "VIRGIN" PRIESTS. 1-PETER 2;9. REVELATION 14;3-4. Do not worry of enemy's accusations and blaming Rom CATHOLIC; because, even if we were the poorest sinful in others eyes; still, we, Roman Catholic RETAIN our TITLE as the CHOSEN CHURCH, after PETER, the ROCK or STONE who has the "KEYS" of Heaven to FORGIVE sins and all accusations. AMOS 6;14. ZECHARIAH 3;9. 2-SAMUEL 7;14-16. MATTHEW 16;18-19. REVELATION 3;7-10. The POPE is the SPIRITUAL Prince DAVID over all the Holy Mountains-Churches of GOD. EZEKIEL 37;24-25.
AMEN 🙏
Running out of teachings they moved to Mary and the Eucharist. The Jewish Passover meaning has different dogma.
Your church rejected the Jewish interpretation is omitted from their dogmas . The true victory was in garden of Gethsemane,were it all started. No Gethsemane no Passover.
Deceitful. In the first 2 minutes when talking about the John 19:30 verse that states “ it is finished “, the speaker he was listening to didn’t know what “it” referred to and Mr. Hahn said it referred to our redemption . Had they read the previous verses the answer is obvious. John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled,saith I thirst.
Obviously he is referring to Bible prophecy concerning his earthly ministry. If this is the premise for his book then it is built on a false premise.
Philo Ignored: The Jewish philosopher of Alexandria (20 B.C. - A.D. 50) wrote prolifically and frequently quoted the Old Testament, yet he never cited the Apocrypha, nor did he even mention these documents.
Josephus Rejected: The Jewish historian, Josephus (A.D. 37-95), rejected them. He wrote:
“We have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine” (Against Apion 1.8).
Missing from Originated During Divine Silence: The apocryphal books were produced in an era when no inspired documents were being given by God. Malachi concludes his narrative in the Old Testament by urging Israel:
“Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.”
He then projects four centuries into the future and prophesied:
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come” (Mal. 4:4-5).
This text pictured the coming of John the Baptist (cf. Mt. 11:14; Lk. 1:17). The implication of Malachi’s prophecy is that no prophet would arise from God until the coming of John. This excludes the apocryphal writings.
Josephus confirms this when he declares:
It is true, our history has been written since Artaxerxes very particularly, but has not been esteemed of the like authority with the former by our forefathers, because there has not been an exact succession of prophets since that time.
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I disagree with Dr. Hahn's conclusions. First, he is ignoring what is in Luke 22:16 when he says that He will not EAT of the Passover until all is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God. Additionally, Dr. Hahn misquotes Jesus by stating the He said He would not “drink” until “it is fulfilled” when in fact Jesus said that He would not “eat of it”, referring to the Passover meal, until it is fulfilled…”. What did Jesus EAT while on the cross? If drinking the sour wine was the "fulfillment" of the "Kingdom of God" there is still something missing. Jesus is very specific when He says that He will drink it "new" in the Kingdom of God. Sour wine is not "new". The Greek work "kainos" refers to something recently made. I do not think that 'all was fulfilled' at the time when Jesus was still on the Cross. He had not yet died for the sins of the world (witnessed by the fact that He tasted the sour wine and also was still able to speak) and more importantly He had not yet been raised from the dead fulfilling His promise to restore the Holy Spirit to those who would believe on Him.
The other issue is Jesus and His disciples did not eat the Passover Seder. The Pascal meal which He and his disciples ate was on the night of Passover. The Passover Seder, as was codified by Rabbi Hillel in the second century BC, was the meal that was eaten on the first night of the Feast of Unleavened bread. That would have been on the night after Jesus was laid in the tomb. The Seder if the meal with the cups that are drunk in a specific order. That was the meal that the religious leaders were concerned they would be "defiled" if they had entered the Praetorium (John 18:28). "...that they might eat the pasch". If they were GOING TO eat the Passover meal then it was a distinct meal from what Jesus and His disciples ate earlier the night before.
So you think your the expert 😂😂😂😂😂
@@bobtosi9346 No, not at all. I’m just reading what is there. If you haven’t read the versus in question, then perhaps you should try it sometime and don’t just rely on the comments of some guy with “Dr.” in front of his name. What exactly do you take issue with?
Actually I have numerous times and THE HOLY SPIRIT has opened my eyes to see the truth. What you present in your counter arguments is not the truth.
@@bobtosi9346 I see. So does that mean that since you believe something that disagrees with what I believe that you are now the expert? Have you looked into my claims for yourself? I do not claim to be an expert but if you really cared about the truth you’d at least look into for yourself. I’m not asking anyone to take what I wrote with blind acceptance, rather I hope that it would at least warrant investigation. But, like most Christians, you don’t really care. The fact is we don’t have a whole lot to go on. I’m just going by what we have in the scriptures. If you see something different please correct me. God bless you.
Dr John Bergsma talks about how The Essenes used a different Calendar and that Jesus could have eaten the Passover on their calendar and offered himself on the other calendar.