Great review, looks like the Oracle Jet will be our next espresso machine. Checks the most boxes and perfect for our use case. Look forward to the comparison between the Touch Impress.
It looks tempting if you want the convenience. But 2k is a lot. You can get a bambino plus and baratza grinder together for about 600 dollars. It is not going to be as easy but chances are the result will be as good. And you can just upgrade/replace machine or the grinder in future as needed.
I bought the Oracle Jet a week ago. I truly like the technology better. I like the hints. I like that I can link the milk to the brew. Easier to keep this machine clean. The curves on the tray help alot. Older Oracle Touch user.
You can’t permanently change the pre-infusion setting, but you can hold on the shot icon and switch to manual mode, and then you can do anywhere from 1-12 second pre-infusion (indicated by blue ring), tapping at any time to move on to normal extraction (red ring).
Oracle touch is a lemon. Had mine fixed 3 times in 2 years. Just got it back from them yesterday and it won't even turn on. Called them up and they said best they could do is a discount on a new machine. Won't even try to fix it again
Thank you so much for the insight! I happen to have an Oracle Touch and I really love the unit. It does everything I need it to and I realize that even when hosting a lot of people, I think a dual boiler is overkill for my needs. I really think the thermojet system would hold me over just fine for less $. I’m really impressed by the OTA updates and tech. Keep it up Breville!
The purpose of the dual boiler is so that you can forth milk at the same time you pull your shot. This way the espresso doesn't sit and loose all its creme. You want the creme and foamed milk to mix ASAP to get a balanced drink.
^ can still be achieved in plenty of time on a single boiler like this. Crema does not impact "balance" of a drink, it's just visual and takes several minutes to dissipate, not 30 seconds
Currently have an oracle touch on my bench that I've got for testing. Here's how I think the jet compares: Good: Quicker heat up 5s vs 5min (debatable how long the group head will take to get hot though...) Jet system more reliable and less maintenance than a true dual boiler/heat exchange system Heated group head mean no compromise to shot quality and temp (cough cough barista pro and touch cough) Insulated steam wand (the oracle wands are metal and a pain to clean) Slick exterior design and smooth screen/UI Brew by volume (Oracle touch by time only sadly) Grind size feedback (although experienced brewers like me don't need that, it can help most people) Wifi (for feature and recipe additions I guess) Bad: In practice, still a single "boiler". Cannot steam while brewing. Why no dual thermojet?! I assume no pre infusion settings or tamper force/time adjustment or air pump adjustment like we have on BES980 Oracle non-touch Hot water spout might not be as hot as Oracles' Very expensive currently (3300 AUD) when the touch impress and non-touch oracle (1900 AUD) do mostly the same things Still using the dreadful clear-coat-on-stainless finish vs raw stainless as on non-touch machines.
I purchased the Touch Impress based on the reviews, including the one on this channel. However, the machine had two big flaws which were not mentioned in any of the reviews I’ve seen: 1. The coffee tamping system needed adjustment very often and was not consistent. 2. The grinder size adjustment dial value changed by itself because of the vibrations during grinding. Had to manually adjust grind settings almost every time I ground coffee. 3. And the biggest flaw: the steam wand sometimes caused a short and the machine completely shut down unexpectedly. This happened twice in a single day. Breville support agreed to exchange the machine. However, on Reddit there are reports that people are getting exchanged units with the same flaw. All in all, I lost faith in Breville and got myself a GCP with a good grinder.
My comments to your points: 1. I agree with you. However it becomes more consistent if you stick to the same beans and just dose in small batches at a time, while keeping your beans in a airtight container. If filled up then will start drying out quicker and this messing with the grind settings. 2. I had this issue also. I found a fix for it. The machine makes a small beep when the grinder changes to a new step. Turn the dial slowly and stop at the beep. Then you will know if its a "true" grind size. The problem is that the machine doesnt show incremental sizes. For example 12,5 would show as 12 when adjusted to 12. Then when you turn it off/on, it will jump up/down one step, because it forces itself to even numbers. So in this example it will just to 13. 3. Havent had issues with my steam wand so far. But maybe i was just lucky on that 🙂
@@kvast13 1. And others tell you to keep the hopper as full as possible because the weight may help with consistent grinding... I hate the inconsistency on the Oracle Touch. The hopper is already pretty "airtight". And I go through a hopper in 2-3 days: The Oracle touch has a hopper with 230g and 22g per dose/coffee -> 11 coffees is not that much and if I would like the hassle of putting new beans into the machine every single time, I would not have gotten such a machine as the Oracle... 2. It's still a thing Sage/Breville should have fixed in the new model. Especially when the machine is used in an office or such this is pretty annoying, since not everybody is informed about this.
I upgraded from the Gaggia Classic Pro to a Breville Bambino Plus which produced much better consistent shots than the Gaggia. I liked the Bambino so much I bought the Touch Impress. No issues and I'm loving it. It's a great all in one. Gaggia is way overrated. Mine produced horribly inconsistent shots even with a good grinder.
I upgraded from a Breville Pro to a Lelit Mara X and the biggest thing my wife and I noticed was are Lattes were hotter than when using Pro even after running dummy shots to heat up group head on Pro, this is my first E61 type machine and having a great time, seems like you are much more invloved in making the espresso with E61 than just pushing buttons, don't get me wrong the Pro is a very capable machine but for me my Mara X along with my Eureka Mignon grinder is a step up, Just my thoughts, in a blind taste test I think I would be hard pressed to tell the difference and also I really like the 58mm portifilter over the 54mm :)
Nice review, thank you. I was ready to purchase one of these, but then I saw a review comparing it to the Ninja Luxe and it made me pause. Do you really think this is worth 4 times the price of the Ninja Luxe and makes that much better coffee drinks to justify it's price? Or would I have to do a side by side taste test to even notice the difference? I like to drink Americano's and occasionally cappuccino's and iced coffee drinks. I also like taking coffee to go and the Ninja has the ability to fit a travel mug under it. Do you think the coffee quality is noticeable enough to justify the added expense of this machine? I don't mind paying for it if it's really noticeably worth it.
It's definitely a significantly superior machine, but also into the realm of diminishing returns. I'd suggest you look at the Touch Impress if you're tight on budget but want a step up in quality from the Ninja
Can it be serviced by the new owner? Parts ordered that may wear out in the future? And I never saw the "need for speed" in needing to steam milk at the same time as my espresso is brewing. *shrug* Just steam it after it is done or before.
I tried to take the top off my Oracle Jet and couldn’t get it off without feeling like I was going to break it. Two screws in the back and clips around the edges of the top, but something near the front above the group head felt like it was holding on. Maybe you have to take off some screws around the group head too. I’ll wait for someone else to figure it out. Breville does sell some parts already, like new drip tray, group head gasket, shower screen, tamp fan, etc, but I don’t think they’ll sell you internal parts.
Excellent review. I have had the Oracle Jet for a couple weeks now and agree with all of the points of the video. As for the market for this machine, I think Breville hit the nail on the head from my perspective. I wanted a machine that was semi-automatic, could go from cold to drinkable coffee in a few minutes, and allowed for easy cleaning. The closed automatic systems such as Jura seemed like it would nightmare to keep clean. I have no problem moving the portafilter on the Oracle Jet from the grinder to the group head and ditch the used coffee after each coffee. My biggest, and perhaps only, issue so far is that I need to change the grind settings too often. I would like to move to a single dose setup so beans are not drying out in the hopper. Are there single dose kits that would also fit the Oracle Jet?
Can’t you just keep your beans in a sealable canister and just weigh out the beans you want ? No need to keep the beans in the hopper. I do this on my barista express and dial in each bag of beans. Wife gets a specific setting for decaf and I have my setting.
@@Enthusiast_Plus The way the Oracle Jet doses, in my experience, is it keeps spinning when it doesn’t think it has enough beans and then doesn’t tamp. I suppose if I hit it exactly right, it could work. I have been trying to do a modified version of this where I put in enough for the day and leave the rest in the vacuum canister. Some beans will inevitably stay overnight in the hopper.
A few weeks ago, I bought my wife the Barista Touch Impress for Christmas. Then started watching more videos and decided to order the Oracle Jet. I'll be returning the "unopened" Touch Impress when the Jet arrives. I've been trying to find information regarding the grinder's ability to handle light roasts. I'm hoping the "upgraded" grinder in the Jet will allow it to not stall out when grinding "less brittle" light roasted beans. Anyone have any additional information on this?
I found a deal on a new Oracle Touch for $1,170,- but I'm almost more tempted to buy the $2,150,- Oracle Jet due to the instant ready-to-brew, better screen, newer design, and OTA updates. What would you buy and why? Currently, we have an older Miele CM6350 but I would like to learn more and make better coffee (Americano, Latte, and Espresso) and normally only prepare 1 or 2 drinks at a time.
Can these machines steam heavy creams? We tend towards our whites and lattes being made with half/half or heavy cream and many steam options never seem powerful enough to do it quickly.
An Italian friend was wondering which Oracle to get. I recommended the dual boiler Oracle cause they entertain a lot and back to back Milky coffee is important. Wondering how this machine stacks up
I’ve had the Jet for about a month. I suspect the dual boiler Oracle would be faster for the first 4-5 drinks since it can pull and steam at the same time, but after that, the small boiler in the old Oracle might need some time to recover or your shots will start pulling cooler and be sour, and in that case the Jet might pull ahead since it never runs out of hot water. You can just refill the tank and keep going immediately and forever with no warmup time.
The dual boiler doesn't suffer from this. It's widely regarded as one of the most stable temperature machines in the market. So I guess what your said about speed is going to be true
Thanks for this overview! Please, please don’t wait long on releasing the comparison with the Touch Impress. I have that machine and I like it very much. However, if the auto milk is as much as an improvement as it looks, combined with superior thermal performance, improved grinder, more recipes, firmware updates, I’m tempted with this machine. On the TI, there’s a huge gap between auto and manual milk quality. Can the Jet be comparable to manual steaming? Can’t wait!
Have they changed the basket size? The Oracle tough had a 22g basket, and getting say that down to 18g was just impossible (19g is the closest I've gotten and even then it isn't consistent). I quite quickly switched to an external grinder, but having two grinders does give the you the option of having two different coffees at the same time (we have decaf in the machine and regular in the external grinder). Also how consistent is the dosage? This is also something I feel like the Oracle Touch struggled with - from one shot to the next the dosage could be off by 1-2 grams which is too much. Did you ask them why they couldn't integrate a grind to weight grinder? That seems like a no-brainer to me at this price point, especially now that the ninja offers it at a much lower price.
Biggest problem with Oracles imo is that they are not made to last. They are sold as "premium" but their main advantage is really convenience if you are new to expresso. My oracle had a leaking steam boiler after just 2 years. Also in Australia the Jet is the most expensive of the whole line-up. Not quite worth it imo.
Yeah, I suggested the Oracle (non touch) to my sister and they’ve had nothing but problems with it, I believe they had to send it back 4 times under the 2 year warranty period and also linked to a leaking boiler
I agree completely. I have the Barista Express and talked my sister into getting the Oracle, non touch, and they’ve had nothing but problems with it. Had to send it in 4-5 times within the two ywsr warranty period and the last time it broke it took so long to get customer support to do something (around 4 months) that by the time they finally let them ship it for repair they were going on about it being out of warranty. Think a leaky boiler was the main culprit the last time.
@@Matty_Boyy I believe it was a pretty big issue and caused them to revise the seals on the boilers a couple years ago. Also, are my previous comments being censored? I can’t see them on my phone or computer
How does espresso taste when compared to setups like the Bianca + Niche Zero or the LM Micra + Niche Zero for medium and dark roasts? For non-coffee enthusiasts, is Jet comparable in taste, or is there a noticeable difference?
For non "enthusiasts" this machine is MORE than enough. Check out our comparison to the Touch Impress, as that machine may actually suit you better for even less $$
A few questions: - Does the machine go on when the plug is inserted? The Oracle Touch does not, hence using a smarthome plug does not help to power on the machine. Or can this be done via the Wifi option? - What is the max height of mugs/glases which can be used? Our regular mugs do not fit under the water outlet of the Oracle Touch when using a scale underneath.
There's no need to auto power on as there is no heat up time, so this option doesn't exist in the menus. Cup height remains unchanged from past models from what I can tell
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the prompt reply! height cannot be the same though, because the water outlet sits higher - at least it seems that way in the videos I have seen.
How are the internals of this machine? Is there a lot of plastic? Is it easily repairable? For the grinder: are the burrs exactly the same as a Baratza Encore ESP?
It’s only $400 more than BDB and actually takes up slightly less counter space than BDB, so you could buy it and use your own grinder similar to the BDB if that’s your hold up. But yeah, a $1200-$1500 version without the grinder and automatic tamper would be cool.
As my first attempt into the world of espresso, I currently use a Breville Infuser and Baratza EDS grinder. Would this more "automatic machine" still make as good a flavor and tasting espresso? It has taken me a while to dial in our existing machine combo, so much that sadly I have NOT explored many different coffee beans. But we do like the end espresso product each morning. I would like to explore different bean types, is this something this machine could help me with? Just returning from a trip to Italy, good tasting espresso remains my end goal. I have to admit, I am intrigued by the simplified work flow. The IOT nature of the wifi updating is also of interest.
Great review. I still have my breville barista express from 2017. Works amazing and has saved me thousands. One question I had as I look towards an upgrade, should I prioritize a dual boiler model? Does it even matter? Is the fact the new ninja machine does pour over coffee worth going with it? Thank you
As a Rocket R58 dual-boiler owner, I have rarely if ever pulled a shot and steamed milk at the same time. The only reason it appealed to me was the ability to be temperature stable immediately as I switched between the two vs purging and waiting like I had to do with my previous Rocket HX machine. If the Thermojet can rapidly switch between temps and save power - I don't see any real home use-case where dual boiler would be better than a thermojet.
The touchscreen is my only concern. Would the condensation affect the functionally in time? I had a DeLonghi with touch sensitive buttons and all of them ended up bad in 3 years because they stood right where it steamed the most
It's more consistent because there is a built in distributor, and because it's using higher doses which lend to more even flow and a bit easier dialing in
I would love a version of this machine but without a grinder. Like an improved Bambino but with a heated brewgroup, these new steaming technologies, the water spout, the thermal stability, etc.
Flat burrs doesn't necessarily equal "better". Check out the video Lance Hedrick did on the topic. For several reasons, conical is often the go to for espresso scenarios
If you want to be hands-on and can afford to also get a high quality grinder, get the Ascaso. If you just want good coffee and not a new hobby, get the Oracle Jet
I would love to know if the steamed milk tastes better than the Touch. It’s nowhere near as good as a La Marzocco of course, but it would be good if it was a step further towards it. If you could do a review of the Morning Dream milk steamer that would be great. I find that the steamers on these machines aren’t very powerful and the milk is foamy but doesn’t have that creamy microfoam taste you get from the professional machines.
Cost Like I say at the end of the video, I can see them doing a higher-end dual heating version, but it will also be more expensive. Most people don't need a dual heating machine, so why spend extra?
Those aren't exactly comparable products. The La Marzocco is a basic commercial level single group. The price comes from durability and ability to output at a commercial duty cycle. Espresso quality will depend on the grinder paired with it at significant additional cost. The Oracle is an all in one consumer level machine. Less output capacity, drastically more foolproof workflow
Can you do a video showing how you got a good result with alternative milks? I got this machine last week and use it with Bonsoy and the milk is not silky at all, lots of quite big bubbles and watery.
Make sure you're using enough milk in the pitcher. Otherwise it will heat too fast and not integrate the air well enough. At least up to the bottom of the spout
Please comment on the ability, or lack thereof, to adjust dose. I am preferring a 16-18 g dose. Tried a smaller basket and it seems to work ok. also, the output cannot be fine-tuned. Your thoughts?
Default dose is about 22g for the double basket depending on roast level of coffee, and you can adjust it up or down by about 2g at most. But you won’t want to adjust dose often as it requires tools, takes a minute, and you don’t know how much you adjusted until you try it. Maybe you could get 18g with a smaller basket, but not sure. Output can be stopped manually if you want to be exact, but the presets are in ~15ml increments (15, 30, 45, 60, etc).
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for your reply. I’ve been experimenting and been able to get an18g dose using a smaller IMS Big Bang basket. When I set the output for “single“ I’m getting approximately 40 g out, when I set the output to “single plus“ I’m getting approximately 55 g out. Ideally, I would like 45 g out. any suggestions? Thanks.
We Love this machine so far but a little disappointed that you can’t control coffee volume. Usually 20 to 21 grams Can’t use puck screen because of coffee level after tamp is too high. Notice indention of group head after extraction indicating the tamped puck is pressing into the group head. Would be nice to be able to adjust down to 18 grams of coffee. I tried just putting in measured coffee into the bean hopper but the machine will not tamp as it thinks it doesn’t have enough coffee in the basket.
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks, I did pull the blade. The shaft that holds the blade is magnetically held in which requires a good pull to remove. Once out you can see the factory scribed mark on the side I loosened the set screw and moved one half turn. It didn’t seem to change the volume much so I moved it back. I kinda thought how could moving the fan have anything to do with how much coffee is ground?
At 4:50 for me is not clear whether your suggestion is possible or not - queing americano, at first hot water, second step shot - is this programmable?
Only if you have the extra money to spend. If tight on budget, the Touch Impress gets you 90% of the way there in terms of drink quality and ease of use
This is significantly better. A super auto using pressurized baskets cannot compete with a non-pressurized 58mm portafilter and a well designed stepless grinder. No contest
@@LifestyleLab_ That’s why you should make a video comparing superautomatic vs. manual machines, especially for those new to the coffee business. There aren’t many in-depth videos specifically reviewing espresso quality between these two types of machines. Most videos focus on general tests like cappuccinos or lattes, but a detailed comparison of espresso quality would be really helpful for beginners.
@@LifestyleLab_ By the way, I’m upgrading my coffee setup from the Gaggia Classic and Eureka to the Oracle Jet. I’m making the switch because the Oracle offers a much simpler brewing process and coffee ground free counter-top.
I’m 2-1/2 years into ownership of a GE CAFE Bellissimo Semi-Automatic machine I bought because it matched my major appliances, appeared to be actually made for GE by Beville but was less expensive at $530 because all the adjustments for grind times, water temp and output volumes are made via iPhone app instead of touch screen on the machine. Unfortunately the water-brew-steam valve which is made out of Chinesium plastic has started to leak dripping water from the grinder area and steam wand like an old man with prostrate problems. It still (barely) makes an acceptable Americano and Latte but it will soon be relegated to doorstop status due to an unavailability of parts or service. A machine like the Oracle Jet is tempting for its convenience but the internals are not as robust and long lived as a similar price range machine made by ECM which while less sophisticated and automated is better constructed (in Germany), serviceable and the better long term return on investment I think.
Great review as always! Super well done videos!!! Thank you! My question: I live in Portugal and have the possibility of buying the Touch Impress new for 1050 EUR (it is on sale now from 1300) or the Sage Oracle Jet for 1900 EUR (not on sale yet). Would it be to dumb to go for the oracle jet? Is the coffee quality better? I love the display with dark mode and I look more tech advanced things (or more analog, but the touch impress feels in between). I know the barista touch looks like a much better deal, but I'm afraid it won't be as future proof and that I'll be missing in quality in cup. What would be your take? Sorry I know how hard it is to give advice :)
I get that at this price, it needs to live up to the hype, but how does it stack up against the Ninja Luxe Cafe? Is it truly four times better than the Luxe Cafe?
In many ways, yes. Overall a much better built and polished product / workflow. But price justification always looks different for different people. I think the Luxe Cafe is going to give some of the lower end Brevilles a serious run for their money. Videos to come
I'm not saying that, no. This is a better machine in every way UNLESS you need the capacity of a dual boiler. Aka serving milk drinks back to back to back for like 5+ people on a regular basis
I’ve already got a Niche Duo. Is it worth it to have this Oracle Jet just using it for the espresso brewing and automated milk system? (So not using the built in grinder) … I use medium to dark roasts. Or is the espresso quality better on a Silvia Pro X
I have the Express and it’s great. I’ll upgrade eventually and when I do it will be another similar semi manual machine. If a family member wanted these automatic then I would buy something automatic. There are machines that do auto really well with the push of a button. I just think Breville need to make a decision - Manual or “one touch” button.
@@LifestyleLab_ actually I’m really happy with the Oracle. What makes me like the Jet is mainly the improvement in the volumetric method as you mentioned, the improvement in the grinder (which may make the coffee even better) and the improvement in the milk frothing (which may lead to better latte art results). But all this is in theory, it is possible that the improvement of these things is minimal and I will just give up the double boiler which in my opinion is a game changer.
@thesoundman they are better, don't get me wrong, I'm just not sure they're worth selling your machine and buying new unless you're specifically unhappy with something. The milk is a big step up (was just using my parents Oracle over the weekend)
2 questions, why is the Oracle Touch $700 more despite being older, and why the heck didn’t they add a dual boiler? For $2k you’d think it would include it.
1. Because the Oracle touch is a dual boiler, which is more expensive to produce. 2. Because the vast majority of home users do not require the capacity that a dual boiler provides. So they could create a new model at a reduced price point that would suit a larger mark segment.
Hi all, so I'm in Australia. My sister had a breviile unit for 12 years trouble free and I'm currently on my breville basista express fir 10 years now. Is everyone here saying they newer smart units are failing or brevilles overall? As started above we've had zero isses. So im interested as its time to move up to s better higher end model for me.
I have also had zero issues with my machines, and I have purchased quite literally every single one. I think the widespread reports of failures that you see are purely just a result of how many units Breville sells every month, and that the audience they are selling them to our beginners who might not necessarily take the best care
What software version is yours running? How can we get the machine to update? Mine is connected to wifi and ive even done a factory reset. Mine doesnt automatically start the milk on latte setting, or have the espresso martini option. Software version 2.3.6 on my machine.
I'm on 2.4.3 For queue up the milk steaming, you do have to tap on the milk icon while the espresso is brewing to queue it up. This was my mistake, the Americano will queue up next step automatically for you.
And yes, you _are_ one of the best and professional coffee channels. I already told you so when you did not dare yet to show your face in the very beginning ;-)
Would have to be a whole separate video. It's not really "cold brew", it's just a low temperature extraction. Which obviously comes with some limitations
Nope :) For many people the Touch or Touch Impress are going to be much better value for $$. The Oracles have always been up there in price and a bit of a "luxury".
As nice as this machine is, I've just read so many nightmare stories about Breville's issues as well as dreadful customer service to make me extremely hesitant to spend $2000 + tax on this.
Those aren't really direct competitors. I'll most likely compare the Ninja to the Express Impress or Touch Impress. The comparison would be a blowout in every area except price between the Oracle Jet and the Ninja
I’ve had 2 breville coffee machines. First one repaired twice before gifting to a friend. Second one, the barista touch, repaired once and then on the day of warranty expiration completely dead. Breville once was a quality brand, but now they are designed to fail so save your cash.
I'm a bit puzzled by this machine's price tag. I can see some of the reasons for its price, but a lot of it looks like it's made of plastic, don't get me wrong. When it was first announced, I thought it seemed really nice with lots of features I'd be interested in, so I thought about buying it. However, I don't think it's worth it for a couple thousand, especially considering the build quality. I've had a few Breville machines over the years, and while I love the quality of espresso they produce, I've had some issues.
Hey there! Apologies for the confusion, and thanks for pointing that out. When I first mentioned 3K, I thought it was 3K in the US too, but I corrected my comment. I just think if you're really into espresso-based drinks like lattes and cappuccinos, the extra cold brew function might not be enough. There are so many cold brew makers out there, some even faster. Cold brew can definitely take a long time to make. I have the Breville precision brewer, and making quality cold brew usually takes about 14 hours, so it's not a quick process. So, having a quick way to make a cold brew is cool. I love the machine's functionality, but I still think spending almost $2000 on a kitchen appliance is a lot. By the way, your video is excellent, as always; you do such a good job with these breakdowns!
I also wouldn't recommend buying for the cold espresso or "cold brew" functions. Big brands seem to have identified this as a trend that is here to stay, but I don't really see the advantage when compared to just pulling a shot over ice. As you said, this isn't true "cold brew" which is fundamentally an entirely different brewing method. Audience for this machine are those who like drinking coffee, and don't want to take on a new hobby to do so. They want to press a few buttons and get the highest quality possible. This is the unique little corner the Oracles have always lived in (super auto effort, manual machine drink quality) but they sure charge a pretty penny for it. That said, this is by far the cheapest Oracle yet
Fair enough, I love that they finally upgraded the burrs on their newer machine grinders. I think it’s going to help a lot of people dial in their espresso much more quickly. I look forward to seeing more reviews of this machine.
@@LifestyleLab_ In Canada it’s like The Great Wall… getting info, getting attention, getting satisfaction. But that’s just the two mid-level machines I’ve owned. When they worked, they worked; when they stopped, they became landfill.
So do the espressos taste 75% better than the Ninja? If not, I think I will have the $1500 extra I would have to spend to get the Breville. $2000 is a lot of money. It would have to be a massive improvement it taste to make me spend that much. Like the difference from freshly ground coffee beans from a local shop, and Folgers instant from the grocery store store 😂
I would consider the Breville Touch impress as an option. Which is about $1200 US. I purchased this to replace 7 year old original oracle and was surprised by the big step up in results. So I was very keen to watch this review of this new model. My assessment is the touch impress has all the key features that count eg barraza grinder, jet heating, milk iq and colour touch screen. Whilst the oracle jet this has lots of little improvements. I don’t think it’s worth the big step up in price.
@@adamrobinson6425 I have Breville, I think it may be the base model though. It was like $700. And I don’t really like. Not very user friendly. Thinking about getting the Ninja so I don’t have to waste 2/3 a bag of beans trying to dial in the grind 😂
Their lineup now is non-existent between the Bambino Plus and the Barista Express. I guess they found their market with too expensive, all-integrated machines, plus one base model. The standalone grinder I got from them is the weak link in getting consistency, so perhaps their new grinders are better. Variable retention is a key weakness of my current Breville grinder and I don't think the new ones have solved retention.
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Great review, looks like the Oracle Jet will be our next espresso machine. Checks the most boxes and perfect for our use case. Look forward to the comparison between the Touch Impress.
It looks tempting if you want the convenience. But 2k is a lot. You can get a bambino plus and baratza grinder together for about 600 dollars. It is not going to be as easy but chances are the result will be as good. And you can just upgrade/replace machine or the grinder in future as needed.
I love how detailed you are with your reviews. Great job!
I bought the Oracle Jet a week ago. I truly like the technology better. I like the hints. I like that I can link the milk to the brew. Easier to keep this machine clean. The curves on the tray help alot. Older Oracle Touch user.
You can’t permanently change the pre-infusion setting, but you can hold on the shot icon and switch to manual mode, and then you can do anywhere from 1-12 second pre-infusion (indicated by blue ring), tapping at any time to move on to normal extraction (red ring).
I currently have the touch impress but really curious about the oracle touch. Can’t wait till the next video.
Oracle touch is a lemon. Had mine fixed 3 times in 2 years. Just got it back from them yesterday and it won't even turn on. Called them up and they said best they could do is a discount on a new machine. Won't even try to fix it again
got mine 15 percent discounted in the UK. Wanted upgrade from my capsule coffee machine for YEARS so i’m very excited
Wow, so much fun all the great new Breville Espresso Machines, looking forward to the head to head comparison, sweet and superbly done video
Great review. I've been hedging on buying an espresso machine only because I've been busy. I think this is the one I'll get.
I’m a coffee drinker I buy a lot of coffee machine, and your channel and objective reviews are very valuable.
Thank you
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the insight! I happen to have an Oracle Touch and I really love the unit. It does everything I need it to and I realize that even when hosting a lot of people, I think a dual boiler is overkill for my needs. I really think the thermojet system would hold me over just fine for less $. I’m really impressed by the OTA updates and tech. Keep it up Breville!
The purpose of the dual boiler is so that you can forth milk at the same time you pull your shot. This way the espresso doesn't sit and loose all its creme. You want the creme and foamed milk to mix ASAP to get a balanced drink.
^ can still be achieved in plenty of time on a single boiler like this. Crema does not impact "balance" of a drink, it's just visual and takes several minutes to dissipate, not 30 seconds
@@danidiamond can the milk steam while the grinding and tampering happens? So before the shot is poured or no?
@shereenbekhit yes
Currently have an oracle touch on my bench that I've got for testing. Here's how I think the jet compares:
Good:
Quicker heat up 5s vs 5min (debatable how long the group head will take to get hot though...)
Jet system more reliable and less maintenance than a true dual boiler/heat exchange system
Heated group head mean no compromise to shot quality and temp (cough cough barista pro and touch cough)
Insulated steam wand (the oracle wands are metal and a pain to clean)
Slick exterior design and smooth screen/UI
Brew by volume (Oracle touch by time only sadly)
Grind size feedback (although experienced brewers like me don't need that, it can help most people)
Wifi (for feature and recipe additions I guess)
Bad:
In practice, still a single "boiler". Cannot steam while brewing. Why no dual thermojet?!
I assume no pre infusion settings or tamper force/time adjustment or air pump adjustment like we have on BES980 Oracle non-touch
Hot water spout might not be as hot as Oracles'
Very expensive currently (3300 AUD) when the touch impress and non-touch oracle (1900 AUD) do mostly the same things
Still using the dreadful clear-coat-on-stainless finish vs raw stainless as on non-touch machines.
Once both are fully heated up, how would the espresso shot only compare? Does one make better espresso than the other? Or about the same?
I think the reason for no dual thermojet is because the weak American electrical system could not handle the draw.
They have one it’s 2800
I purchased the Touch Impress based on the reviews, including the one on this channel. However, the machine had two big flaws which were not mentioned in any of the reviews I’ve seen:
1. The coffee tamping system needed adjustment very often and was not consistent.
2. The grinder size adjustment dial value changed by itself because of the vibrations during grinding. Had to manually adjust grind settings almost every time I ground coffee.
3. And the biggest flaw: the steam wand sometimes caused a short and the machine completely shut down unexpectedly. This happened twice in a single day. Breville support agreed to exchange the machine. However, on Reddit there are reports that people are getting exchanged units with the same flaw.
All in all, I lost faith in Breville and got myself a GCP with a good grinder.
My comments to your points:
1. I agree with you. However it becomes more consistent if you stick to the same beans and just dose in small batches at a time, while keeping your beans in a airtight container. If filled up then will start drying out quicker and this messing with the grind settings.
2. I had this issue also. I found a fix for it. The machine makes a small beep when the grinder changes to a new step. Turn the dial slowly and stop at the beep. Then you will know if its a "true" grind size. The problem is that the machine doesnt show incremental sizes. For example 12,5 would show as 12 when adjusted to 12. Then when you turn it off/on, it will jump up/down one step, because it forces itself to even numbers. So in this example it will just to 13.
3. Havent had issues with my steam wand so far. But maybe i was just lucky on that 🙂
@@kvast13 1. And others tell you to keep the hopper as full as possible because the weight may help with consistent grinding... I hate the inconsistency on the Oracle Touch. The hopper is already pretty "airtight". And I go through a hopper in 2-3 days: The Oracle touch has a hopper with 230g and 22g per dose/coffee -> 11 coffees is not that much and if I would like the hassle of putting new beans into the machine every single time, I would not have gotten such a machine as the Oracle...
2. It's still a thing Sage/Breville should have fixed in the new model. Especially when the machine is used in an office or such this is pretty annoying, since not everybody is informed about this.
I upgraded from the Gaggia Classic Pro to a Breville Bambino Plus which produced much better consistent shots than the Gaggia. I liked the Bambino so much I bought the Touch Impress. No issues and I'm loving it. It's a great all in one. Gaggia is way overrated. Mine produced horribly inconsistent shots even with a good grinder.
Great review very detailed you answered all my questions.. Thank you!
I upgraded from a Breville Pro to a Lelit Mara X and the biggest thing my wife and I noticed was are Lattes were hotter than when using Pro even after running dummy shots to heat up group head on Pro, this is my first E61 type machine and having a great time, seems like you are much more invloved in making the espresso with E61 than just pushing buttons, don't get me wrong the Pro is a very capable machine but for me my Mara X along with my Eureka Mignon grinder is a step up, Just my thoughts, in a blind taste test I think I would be hard pressed to tell the difference and also I really like the 58mm portifilter over the 54mm :)
Nice review, thank you. I was ready to purchase one of these, but then I saw a review comparing it to the Ninja Luxe and it made me pause. Do you really think this is worth 4 times the price of the Ninja Luxe and makes that much better coffee drinks to justify it's price? Or would I have to do a side by side taste test to even notice the difference? I like to drink Americano's and occasionally cappuccino's and iced coffee drinks. I also like taking coffee to go and the Ninja has the ability to fit a travel mug under it. Do you think the coffee quality is noticeable enough to justify the added expense of this machine? I don't mind paying for it if it's really noticeably worth it.
It's definitely a significantly superior machine, but also into the realm of diminishing returns. I'd suggest you look at the Touch Impress if you're tight on budget but want a step up in quality from the Ninja
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for your input on this. I will take a look at the touch Impress.
We just released a comparison video that should make the decision easy :) also have a standalone review of the Touch Impress
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks! I will take a look at those. 👍
I have the touch impress and I’m very happy with it. I see it’s $1199 now it was $1499 when I bought it.
Can it be serviced by the new owner? Parts ordered that may wear out in the future?
And I never saw the "need for speed" in needing to steam milk at the same time as my espresso is brewing. *shrug*
Just steam it after it is done or before.
I tried to take the top off my Oracle Jet and couldn’t get it off without feeling like I was going to break it. Two screws in the back and clips around the edges of the top, but something near the front above the group head felt like it was holding on. Maybe you have to take off some screws around the group head too. I’ll wait for someone else to figure it out.
Breville does sell some parts already, like new drip tray, group head gasket, shower screen, tamp fan, etc, but I don’t think they’ll sell you internal parts.
Excellent review. I have had the Oracle Jet for a couple weeks now and agree with all of the points of the video. As for the market for this machine, I think Breville hit the nail on the head from my perspective. I wanted a machine that was semi-automatic, could go from cold to drinkable coffee in a few minutes, and allowed for easy cleaning. The closed automatic systems such as Jura seemed like it would nightmare to keep clean. I have no problem moving the portafilter on the Oracle Jet from the grinder to the group head and ditch the used coffee after each coffee.
My biggest, and perhaps only, issue so far is that I need to change the grind settings too often. I would like to move to a single dose setup so beans are not drying out in the hopper. Are there single dose kits that would also fit the Oracle Jet?
Can’t you just keep your beans in a sealable canister and just weigh out the beans you want ? No need to keep the beans in the hopper.
I do this on my barista express and dial in each bag of beans. Wife gets a specific setting for decaf and I have my setting.
@@Enthusiast_Plus The way the Oracle Jet doses, in my experience, is it keeps spinning when it doesn’t think it has enough beans and then doesn’t tamp. I suppose if I hit it exactly right, it could work. I have been trying to do a modified version of this where I put in enough for the day and leave the rest in the vacuum canister. Some beans will inevitably stay overnight in the hopper.
Anxious for your review of Oracle Jet. Vrs. Impress Touch. 😊
Will be released Sunday or Monday most likely!
I would have for sure bought the Oracle Jet over my Touch Impress if it was available last winter. The jet has many features I desire.
A few weeks ago, I bought my wife the Barista Touch Impress for Christmas. Then started watching more videos and decided to order the Oracle Jet. I'll be returning the "unopened" Touch Impress when the Jet arrives. I've been trying to find information regarding the grinder's ability to handle light roasts. I'm hoping the "upgraded" grinder in the Jet will allow it to not stall out when grinding "less brittle" light roasted beans. Anyone have any additional information on this?
The sound cues/jingles were/are already a feature on the oracle touch btw
I found a deal on a new Oracle Touch for $1,170,- but I'm almost more tempted to buy the $2,150,- Oracle Jet due to the instant ready-to-brew, better screen, newer design, and OTA updates. What would you buy and why?
Currently, we have an older Miele CM6350 but I would like to learn more and make better coffee (Americano, Latte, and Espresso) and normally only prepare 1 or 2 drinks at a time.
If you don't need to capacity advantage of a dual boiler, I'd get the new Oracle Jet over the old generation 10/10 times
Can these machines steam heavy creams? We tend towards our whites and lattes being made with half/half or heavy cream and many steam options never seem powerful enough to do it quickly.
I would LOVE to see a comparison between the Ninja and the Oracle Jet.
Ninja is cheap crap, that is all you need to know.
An Italian friend was wondering which Oracle to get. I recommended the dual boiler Oracle cause they entertain a lot and back to back Milky coffee is important. Wondering how this machine stacks up
I’ve had the Jet for about a month. I suspect the dual boiler Oracle would be faster for the first 4-5 drinks since it can pull and steam at the same time, but after that, the small boiler in the old Oracle might need some time to recover or your shots will start pulling cooler and be sour, and in that case the Jet might pull ahead since it never runs out of hot water. You can just refill the tank and keep going immediately and forever with no warmup time.
The dual boiler doesn't suffer from this. It's widely regarded as one of the most stable temperature machines in the market. So I guess what your said about speed is going to be true
Thanks for this overview! Please, please don’t wait long on releasing the comparison with the Touch Impress. I have that machine and I like it very much. However, if the auto milk is as much as an improvement as it looks, combined with superior thermal performance, improved grinder, more recipes, firmware updates, I’m tempted with this machine. On the TI, there’s a huge gap between auto and manual milk quality. Can the Jet be comparable to manual steaming? Can’t wait!
Have they changed the basket size? The Oracle tough had a 22g basket, and getting say that down to 18g was just impossible (19g is the closest I've gotten and even then it isn't consistent). I quite quickly switched to an external grinder, but having two grinders does give the you the option of having two different coffees at the same time (we have decaf in the machine and regular in the external grinder).
Also how consistent is the dosage? This is also something I feel like the Oracle Touch struggled with - from one shot to the next the dosage could be off by 1-2 grams which is too much.
Did you ask them why they couldn't integrate a grind to weight grinder? That seems like a no-brainer to me at this price point, especially now that the ninja offers it at a much lower price.
Biggest problem with Oracles imo is that they are not made to last. They are sold as "premium" but their main advantage is really convenience if you are new to expresso. My oracle had a leaking steam boiler after just 2 years. Also in Australia the Jet is the most expensive of the whole line-up. Not quite worth it imo.
Yeah, I suggested the Oracle (non touch) to my sister and they’ve had nothing but problems with it, I believe they had to send it back 4 times under the 2 year warranty period and also linked to a leaking boiler
I agree completely. I have the Barista Express and talked my sister into getting the Oracle, non touch, and they’ve had nothing but problems with it. Had to send it in 4-5 times within the two ywsr warranty period and the last time it broke it took so long to get customer support to do something (around 4 months) that by the time they finally let them ship it for repair they were going on about it being out of warranty. Think a leaky boiler was the main culprit the last time.
Wow this exactly happened to my Breville steam boiler after 2 years as well.
@@Matty_Boyy I believe it was a pretty big issue and caused them to revise the seals on the boilers a couple years ago. Also, are my previous comments being censored? I can’t see them on my phone or computer
@@Matty_Boyy I have gone through one dual boiler, and two Oracles. Guess why?
How does espresso taste when compared to setups like the Bianca + Niche Zero or the LM Micra + Niche Zero for medium and dark roasts? For non-coffee enthusiasts, is Jet comparable in taste, or is there a noticeable difference?
For non "enthusiasts" this machine is MORE than enough. Check out our comparison to the Touch Impress, as that machine may actually suit you better for even less $$
A few questions:
- Does the machine go on when the plug is inserted? The Oracle Touch does not, hence using a smarthome plug does not help to power on the machine. Or can this be done via the Wifi option?
- What is the max height of mugs/glases which can be used? Our regular mugs do not fit under the water outlet of the Oracle Touch when using a scale underneath.
There's no need to auto power on as there is no heat up time, so this option doesn't exist in the menus. Cup height remains unchanged from past models from what I can tell
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the prompt reply! height cannot be the same though, because the water outlet sits higher - at least it seems that way in the videos I have seen.
@@kaktus3175 it's about 10.5 - 10.6cm from the drip tray to the splitter on the portafilter. A bottomless portafilter will provide more space.
Great review and a very cool machine, not something I am personally interested in, but it looks to have some very cool features.
How are the internals of this machine? Is there a lot of plastic? Is it easily repairable?
For the grinder: are the burrs exactly the same as a Baratza Encore ESP?
Yes, same burrs as Encore ESP.
I have the dual boiler, and the teflon coated aluminum group head is corroding.
Why did they put Teflon in the group head ??
You’re not frying eggs there are ya ? So weird they put Teflon on everything these days…
Really hoping they develop a version of this to update the BDB
It’s only $400 more than BDB and actually takes up slightly less counter space than BDB, so you could buy it and use your own grinder similar to the BDB if that’s your hold up. But yeah, a $1200-$1500 version without the grinder and automatic tamper would be cool.
As my first attempt into the world of espresso, I currently use a Breville Infuser and Baratza EDS grinder. Would this more "automatic machine" still make as good a flavor and tasting espresso? It has taken me a while to dial in our existing machine combo, so much that sadly I have NOT explored many different coffee beans. But we do like the end espresso product each morning.
I would like to explore different bean types, is this something this machine could help me with?
Just returning from a trip to Italy, good tasting espresso remains my end goal. I have to admit, I am intrigued by the simplified work flow.
The IOT nature of the wifi updating is also of interest.
Awesome review - thanks!
@LifestyleLab_ would you say the Oracle jet auto milk steaming produces more silkier milk then say a Silvia, or Profitec GO can do manually?
No, nothing can really be better than an expert on a manual steam arm
Great review.
I still have my breville barista express from 2017. Works amazing and has saved me thousands. One question I had as I look towards an upgrade, should I prioritize a dual boiler model? Does it even matter?
Is the fact the new ninja machine does pour over coffee worth going with it?
Thank you
A dual boilers only advantage comes if you are serving 5+ milk drinks back to back to back on a regular basis. Purely a capacity thing
@@LifestyleLab_ makes perfect sense. Thank you
As always a fantastic review TY
Is it possible to steam mile manually? Also, I wouldn’t like it to automatically tamp, just to grind and allow me to take it out and do my prep
If this is what you're after, then the Oracle Jet isn't the machine you should be looking at. Instead, save your money and get the Barista Pro!
@ interesting, thanks a lot
As a Rocket R58 dual-boiler owner, I have rarely if ever pulled a shot and steamed milk at the same time. The only reason it appealed to me was the ability to be temperature stable immediately as I switched between the two vs purging and waiting like I had to do with my previous Rocket HX machine. If the Thermojet can rapidly switch between temps and save power - I don't see any real home use-case where dual boiler would be better than a thermojet.
Bingo
The touchscreen is my only concern. Would the condensation affect the functionally in time? I had a DeLonghi with touch sensitive buttons and all of them ended up bad in 3 years because they stood right where it steamed the most
No steam reaches the screen during brewing etc. I don't have any concerns about that based on my few months of daily use.
How about the tamp quality. Is this better than with the Touch Impress?
It's more consistent because there is a built in distributor, and because it's using higher doses which lend to more even flow and a bit easier dialing in
I find Touch Impress tamps consistently, but doses can vary significantly since it’s not a scale. Sounds like Jet is more consistent dosing?
Dose consistency was quite good at around +/- 0.5g
@@LifestyleLab_ but it does not dose by weight like the Ninja? Just volumetric? So thus with different grind sizes the weight may vary?
Correct
Whats the height of the machine including the hopper? I'm getting mixed measurements when reading online. My aviable space in 495mm.
I would love a version of this machine but without a grinder. Like an improved Bambino but with a heated brewgroup, these new steaming technologies, the water spout, the thermal stability, etc.
When can we expect the Touch Impress vs the Oracle Jet comparison? Before the holidays by chance?
Yes! In the next few weeks. Before Black Friday.
Are the grinder burrs still conical? For 2 grand I'd assume flat burrs.
Flat burrs doesn't necessarily equal "better". Check out the video Lance Hedrick did on the topic. For several reasons, conical is often the go to for espresso scenarios
Great review! Thanks 🙏🏻.
If you want to do your own puck prep, is there an option to turn off the auto tamping system?
No there is not, might as well go with the Barista Touch in that case
Hi again! Any thoughts between this and an Ascaso Duo?
If you want to be hands-on and can afford to also get a high quality grinder, get the Ascaso. If you just want good coffee and not a new hobby, get the Oracle Jet
I would love to know if the steamed milk tastes better than the Touch. It’s nowhere near as good as a La Marzocco of course, but it would be good if it was a step further towards it. If you could do a review of the Morning Dream milk steamer that would be great. I find that the steamers on these machines aren’t very powerful and the milk is foamy but doesn’t have that creamy microfoam taste you get from the professional machines.
Milk taste won't really differ, but the texture is better than the Barista Touch I'd say:
Barista Touch - 7/10
Touch Impress - 8/10
Oracle Jet - 9/10
So does that mean it’s easier to do latte art?
Yes
Do you have any information about when is it going to be available in EU?
Why not a separate coil for the steam wand? That seems like an obvious premium for the oracle.
Cost
Like I say at the end of the video, I can see them doing a higher-end dual heating version, but it will also be more expensive. Most people don't need a dual heating machine, so why spend extra?
@@LifestyleLab_ right but the oracle line is not a low cost line. Great review, btw.
@trsmith2442 I completely agree. The pricing is not cheap, but it does fit in to Brevilles lineup in a logical slot / gap price and feature wise
Can you please do a comparison between orical jet and la marzoco Micra ?
Those aren't exactly comparable products. The La Marzocco is a basic commercial level single group. The price comes from durability and ability to output at a commercial duty cycle. Espresso quality will depend on the grinder paired with it at significant additional cost.
The Oracle is an all in one consumer level machine. Less output capacity, drastically more foolproof workflow
Can you do a video showing how you got a good result with alternative milks?
I got this machine last week and use it with Bonsoy and the milk is not silky at all, lots of quite big bubbles and watery.
Make sure you're using enough milk in the pitcher. Otherwise it will heat too fast and not integrate the air well enough. At least up to the bottom of the spout
Fantastic presentation, thank you!
Please comment on the ability, or lack thereof, to adjust dose. I am preferring a 16-18 g dose. Tried a smaller basket and it seems to work ok. also, the output cannot be fine-tuned. Your thoughts?
Default dose is about 22g for the double basket depending on roast level of coffee, and you can adjust it up or down by about 2g at most. But you won’t want to adjust dose often as it requires tools, takes a minute, and you don’t know how much you adjusted until you try it. Maybe you could get 18g with a smaller basket, but not sure.
Output can be stopped manually if you want to be exact, but the presets are in ~15ml increments (15, 30, 45, 60, etc).
^ what he said. Adjusting dose involves raising or lowering the tamping blades
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for your reply. I’ve been experimenting and been able to get an18g dose using a smaller IMS Big Bang basket. When I set the output for “single“ I’m getting approximately 40 g out, when I set the output to “single plus“ I’m getting approximately 55 g out. Ideally, I would like 45 g out. any suggestions? Thanks.
We Love this machine so far but a little disappointed that you can’t control coffee volume. Usually 20 to 21 grams
Can’t use puck screen because of coffee level after tamp is too high. Notice indention of group head after extraction indicating the tamped puck is pressing into the group head. Would be nice to be able to adjust down to 18 grams of coffee. I tried just putting in measured coffee into the bean hopper but the machine will not tamp as it thinks it doesn’t have enough coffee in the basket.
You can adjust this by lowering the tamping fan blades :)
This is in the manual, and can be done with the included Allen key
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks, I did pull the blade. The shaft that holds the blade is magnetically held in which requires a good pull to remove. Once out you can see the factory scribed mark on the side I loosened the set screw and moved one half turn. It didn’t seem to change the volume much so I moved it back. I kinda thought how could moving the fan have anything to do with how much coffee is ground?
@@Trailjunkie62 Grinding stops at a certain volume. By lowering the fan, you reduce the volume ground before the grinder / tamping stops.
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks so much! will give it another try maybe loosen a little more this time
At 4:50 for me is not clear whether your suggestion is possible or not - queing americano, at first hot water, second step shot - is this programmable?
Yes
Would you recommend the jet compared to the oracle touch ?
Only if you have the extra money to spend. If tight on budget, the Touch Impress gets you 90% of the way there in terms of drink quality and ease of use
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you, I'll keep your recommendation in mind. Much appreciated 👍
I wish you would compare this machine vs Jura for strictly for their espresso quality
This is significantly better. A super auto using pressurized baskets cannot compete with a non-pressurized 58mm portafilter and a well designed stepless grinder. No contest
@@LifestyleLab_ That’s why you should make a video comparing superautomatic vs. manual machines, especially for those new to the coffee business. There aren’t many in-depth videos specifically reviewing espresso quality between these two types of machines. Most videos focus on general tests like cappuccinos or lattes, but a detailed comparison of espresso quality would be really helpful for beginners.
@lenso010 I've been planning to, just haven't got around to it yet
@@LifestyleLab_ By the way, I’m upgrading my coffee setup from the Gaggia Classic and Eureka to the Oracle Jet. I’m making the switch because the Oracle offers a much simpler brewing process and coffee ground free counter-top.
What do you think about the hopper? Did you use single dosing?
Definitely not a machine meant for single dosing. Would completely defeat the purpose of half the Oracle system which is auto dose and tamp
I’m 2-1/2 years into ownership of a GE CAFE Bellissimo Semi-Automatic machine I bought because it matched my major appliances, appeared to be actually made for GE by Beville but was less expensive at $530 because all the adjustments for grind times, water temp and output volumes are made via iPhone app instead of touch screen on the machine. Unfortunately the water-brew-steam valve which is made out of Chinesium plastic has started to leak dripping water from the grinder area and steam wand like an old man with prostrate problems. It still (barely) makes an acceptable Americano and Latte but it will soon be relegated to doorstop status due to an unavailability of parts or service.
A machine like the Oracle Jet is tempting for its convenience but the internals are not as robust and long lived as a similar price range machine made by ECM which while less sophisticated and automated is better constructed (in Germany), serviceable and the better long term return on investment I think.
Great review as always! Super well done videos!!! Thank you!
My question: I live in Portugal and have the possibility of buying the Touch Impress new for 1050 EUR (it is on sale now from 1300) or the Sage Oracle Jet for 1900 EUR (not on sale yet). Would it be to dumb to go for the oracle jet? Is the coffee quality better? I love the display with dark mode and I look more tech advanced things (or more analog, but the touch impress feels in between). I know the barista touch looks like a much better deal, but I'm afraid it won't be as future proof and that I'll be missing in quality in cup. What would be your take? Sorry I know how hard it is to give advice :)
Given that price gap, I think you'll be very happy with the Touch Impress
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you :)
I get that at this price, it needs to live up to the hype, but how does it stack up against the Ninja Luxe Cafe? Is it truly four times better than the Luxe Cafe?
In many ways, yes. Overall a much better built and polished product / workflow. But price justification always looks different for different people.
I think the Luxe Cafe is going to give some of the lower end Brevilles a serious run for their money. Videos to come
So you are saying Oracle Touch is better, because of dual boiler?
I'm not saying that, no. This is a better machine in every way UNLESS you need the capacity of a dual boiler. Aka serving milk drinks back to back to back for like 5+ people on a regular basis
That Ninja really is amazing at any price point but it is the first time I have seen Breville undercut so solidly
I’ve already got a Niche Duo. Is it worth it to have this Oracle Jet just using it for the espresso brewing and automated milk system? (So not using the built in grinder) … I use medium to dark roasts. Or is the espresso quality better on a Silvia Pro X
No, I'd say sell the Niche and get this, or keep the Niche and get a Bambino Plus
I dont get it. Which is better the oracle jet or the oracle touch?
Oracle Jet, unless you need to brew and steam at the same time because you're trying to serve a LOT of people back to back
I have the Express and it’s great. I’ll upgrade eventually and when I do it will be another similar semi manual machine. If a family member wanted these automatic then I would buy something automatic. There are machines that do auto really well with the push of a button. I just think Breville need to make a decision - Manual or “one touch” button.
Would u recommend me to upgrade from the Original Oracle (2022) to the Jet?
No, I don't think it's worth upgrading unless you're unhappy with the milk or espresso quality on the Oracle you have.
@@LifestyleLab_ actually I’m really happy with the Oracle. What makes me like the Jet is mainly the improvement in the volumetric method as you mentioned, the improvement in the grinder (which may make the coffee even better) and the improvement in the milk frothing (which may lead to better latte art results). But all this is in theory, it is possible that the improvement of these things is minimal and I will just give up the double boiler which in my opinion is a game changer.
@thesoundman they are better, don't get me wrong, I'm just not sure they're worth selling your machine and buying new unless you're specifically unhappy with something. The milk is a big step up (was just using my parents Oracle over the weekend)
Has the steam wand shorting issue on the Touch Impress resolved on this machine?
I've never experienced that issue, so can't really comment.
What's the height of the machine, from the top of the hopper down? I'm seeing conflicting measurements online.
42cm exactly, with the hopper lid on
How’s the water temperature from the hot water spout
Comes out at the set brewing temp
2 questions, why is the Oracle Touch $700 more despite being older, and why the heck didn’t they add a dual boiler? For $2k you’d think it would include it.
1. Because the Oracle touch is a dual boiler, which is more expensive to produce.
2. Because the vast majority of home users do not require the capacity that a dual boiler provides. So they could create a new model at a reduced price point that would suit a larger mark segment.
Hi all, so I'm in Australia. My sister had a breviile unit for 12 years trouble free and I'm currently on my breville basista express fir 10 years now. Is everyone here saying they newer smart units are failing or brevilles overall? As started above we've had zero isses. So im interested as its time to move up to s better higher end model for me.
I have also had zero issues with my machines, and I have purchased quite literally every single one. I think the widespread reports of failures that you see are purely just a result of how many units Breville sells every month, and that the audience they are selling them to our beginners who might not necessarily take the best care
Great review.
Thanks!
What software version is yours running?
How can we get the machine to update? Mine is connected to wifi and ive even done a factory reset. Mine doesnt automatically start the milk on latte setting, or have the espresso martini option. Software version 2.3.6 on my machine.
I'm on 2.4.3
For queue up the milk steaming, you do have to tap on the milk icon while the espresso is brewing to queue it up. This was my mistake, the Americano will queue up next step automatically for you.
I need these lights on my express
They are great. You can change the brightness of them too.
Hi. Can u please compare the barista touch impress vs oracle jet
Yes! Promised to do so in the conclusion :)!
Sorry I hadn't seen that part
Suggest me best espresso for home use
Whatever you can buy freshly roasted close to you! Avoid the grocery store like the plague
You will get to your well-deserved 100k+ subscribers very soon ;-)
And yes, you _are_ one of the best and professional coffee channels. I already told you so when you did not dare yet to show your face in the very beginning ;-)
Wow, that's a long-time follower!
Such a heat machine. I adore mine.
You didn’t talk about the cold brew feature
Would have to be a whole separate video. It's not really "cold brew", it's just a low temperature extraction. Which obviously comes with some limitations
@@LifestyleLab_ well that sucks. For more than double the price of breville touch it doesn’t do double the capabilities
Nope :)
For many people the Touch or Touch Impress are going to be much better value for $$. The Oracles have always been up there in price and a bit of a "luxury".
Can you make a new Breville espresso machine buying guide?
Probably a good idea with all these new models...
Bet ya anything we see an all new Oracle Pro. Double boiler, built in scale (like the Ninja), stuff like that. Like is mentioned at 15:09.
I mean, I'd be down 👀
Nothing can replace my 14$ mokka pot on my stove 😂
Nor should anything if you're happy with it! :)
The jet is so much faster to make my morning expresso. My former Touch had more bells and whistles, but much slower to heat up two boilers.
As nice as this machine is, I've just read so many nightmare stories about Breville's issues as well as dreadful customer service to make me extremely hesitant to spend $2000 + tax on this.
Your sound quality is much better than _James Hofmann's_ in his last video ;-)
Please do a comparison of the Ninja Luxe and the Oracle Jet!
Those aren't really direct competitors. I'll most likely compare the Ninja to the Express Impress or Touch Impress.
The comparison would be a blowout in every area except price between the Oracle Jet and the Ninja
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks good to know.
I’ve had 2 breville coffee machines. First one repaired twice before gifting to a friend. Second one, the barista touch, repaired once and then on the day of warranty expiration completely dead. Breville once was a quality brand, but now they are designed to fail so save your cash.
I'm a bit puzzled by this machine's price tag. I can see some of the reasons for its price, but a lot of it looks like it's made of plastic, don't get me wrong. When it was first announced, I thought it seemed really nice with lots of features I'd be interested in, so I thought about buying it. However, I don't think it's worth it for a couple thousand, especially considering the build quality.
I've had a few Breville machines over the years, and while I love the quality of espresso they produce, I've had some issues.
Let me preface that I use good-quality water too, so it’s not that.
I assume you're talking Canadian MSRP?
Regardless, the Oracle line has always been quite a premium over the rest of the range
Hey there! Apologies for the confusion, and thanks for pointing that out. When I first mentioned 3K, I thought it was 3K in the US too, but I corrected my comment. I just think if you're really into espresso-based drinks like lattes and cappuccinos, the extra cold brew function might not be enough. There are so many cold brew makers out there, some even faster. Cold brew can definitely take a long time to make. I have the Breville precision brewer, and making quality cold brew usually takes about 14 hours, so it's not a quick process.
So, having a quick way to make a cold brew is cool. I love the machine's functionality, but I still think spending almost $2000 on a kitchen appliance is a lot. By the way, your video is excellent, as always; you do such a good job with these breakdowns!
I also wouldn't recommend buying for the cold espresso or "cold brew" functions. Big brands seem to have identified this as a trend that is here to stay, but I don't really see the advantage when compared to just pulling a shot over ice. As you said, this isn't true "cold brew" which is fundamentally an entirely different brewing method.
Audience for this machine are those who like drinking coffee, and don't want to take on a new hobby to do so. They want to press a few buttons and get the highest quality possible. This is the unique little corner the Oracles have always lived in (super auto effort, manual machine drink quality) but they sure charge a pretty penny for it. That said, this is by far the cheapest Oracle yet
Fair enough, I love that they finally upgraded the burrs on their newer machine grinders. I think it’s going to help a lot of people dial in their espresso much more quickly. I look forward to seeing more reviews of this machine.
Very good video 🎉😊
What support centre!?
Breville. I'm sure they get lots of fun calls
@@LifestyleLab_ In Canada it’s like The Great Wall… getting info, getting attention, getting satisfaction. But that’s just the two mid-level machines I’ve owned. When they worked, they worked; when they stopped, they became landfill.
So do the espressos taste 75% better than the Ninja? If not, I think I will have the $1500 extra I would have to spend to get the Breville. $2000 is a lot of money. It would have to be a massive improvement it taste to make me spend that much. Like the difference from freshly ground coffee beans from a local shop, and Folgers instant from the grocery store store 😂
I would consider the Breville Touch impress as an option. Which is about $1200 US. I purchased this to replace 7 year old original oracle and was surprised by the big step up in results. So I was very keen to watch this review of this new model. My assessment is the touch impress has all the key features that count eg barraza grinder, jet heating, milk iq and colour touch screen. Whilst the oracle jet this has lots of little improvements. I don’t think it’s worth the big step up in price.
@@adamrobinson6425 I have Breville, I think it may be the base model though. It was like $700. And I don’t really like. Not very user friendly. Thinking about getting the Ninja so I don’t have to waste 2/3 a bag of beans trying to dial in the grind 😂
Their lineup now is non-existent between the Bambino Plus and the Barista Express.
I guess they found their market with too expensive, all-integrated machines, plus one base model.
The standalone grinder I got from them is the weak link in getting consistency, so perhaps their new grinders are better. Variable retention is a key weakness of my current Breville grinder and I don't think the new ones have solved retention.
Grinders have certainly seen a massive improvement in burr and grind quality since the early days