It's kind of ironic that Lance had his best performances when his wrists were still half broken.. I mean the car was probably also at its best at the time but still
It's been a while since Lance Stroll hit his ceiling. Only difference is that now he realizes it. He knows it's not gonna get any better and its getting to him.
Well, considering reaching F1 is already a big triumph, I believe he should move to other championship where the level is low. He will have guaranteed a decent seat, and will finally enjoy racing. Sadly as you said this is too much for him, he will only get more and more frustrated.
@@xc3274 Yah, but after a decent F3 season (preceded by an unimpressive F3 season where actual F1 quality drivers moved up to F2) he was given an F1 seat. He didn't 'reach F1', his dad stood on a large pile of money and set him in F1. You can argue that at times Lance showed maybe he might deserve his seat (I'd dissagree but fine) but you cannot say Lance in any way shape or form earned his seat. Latiffi, Mazapin,... did more to 'earn' and F1 seat when their dad bought theirs.
@@colpul2103 Not at all lmao. He has always been among the worst but definitely not worse than those two, and not because they were driving worse cars, at least Lance hasn't destroyed 8 million cars in a record time. Those two were a complete shame for the sport. This is just a daddy's boy who has started to understand he won't be a top driver. Btw, how can you say ''a decent F3 season'' when he literally doubled the points to the 2nd driver, and there were names like Russell, Zhou, Illiot or Hubert??? Lol. That's some bias there.
@@colpul2103 whine all you want Lance has hundreds of points, podiums and a pole position. He's hardly a top tier racer but the trolling is just stupid. It's obvious that the low IQ DTS fans favorite past time is whining, crying, and hating on him. He had awful qualifying last week. His race however was impressive, particularly under those conditions, if you want to be truthful about things.
@@alpharaciing errr, Lawson, Shwartzman, Vesti, Iwasa, Doohan, Martins, Pourchaire to name a few. Heaps of guys from the Indycar scene look promising for F1. There's a lot more than just Bearman.
Whenever Lance has his first season outside of F1 and Josh drops the maiden win prediction, Lance will super sub for someone in the team and win a race It's the prophecy
100% agree. Especially because he is in his 7th season and there is not really any improvement. And I would expect improvement from the driver who has the most secured seat in the whole F1-grid. (Seriously, even long-term contracts like the ones from Norris or Verstappen are not as secure as the seat of Lance Stroll...)
I see papa stroll re-brand are works, heard rumour he already make her second sale in f1 with a good profit😂,1) he sell cruise to latifis dad after his son out& cash out his investment from f1. 2) aston martin rise as mid term team might sell in high price, maybe thats why he dgaf in last half season😂 it sold
Piquet Jr has a podcast and in this week episode he asked around on the backstage and was told Lance asked 3 times, over the years, to leave F1 but Lawrence didn't let him.
The perpetual insistence from Lawrence and Krack that it’s just bad luck is such overt nonsense I’ll never be able to take this team seriously while Lance is driving for them.
I said the exact same thing on another video. Lawrence claims that he wants to develop Aston Martin into a championship winning team. However the fact that he insists on his son occupying one of the race seats, even though it’s painfully obvious that Lance isn’t world champion material, makes me not take Lawrence seriously. He cannot develop the team into the best team he can and have his son drive for him at the same time, because his son is simply not good enough to go toe to toe with the elite drivers. That’s why Alonso is making him look inept, yet Mike Krack and Lawrence are pulling out every excuse in the book to explain away Lance’s non performance.
It’s honestly offensive that someone of his level has had 7 years in f1. That’s at least 4 years that someone else with talent could’ve had a shot at it.
@@Majima_Nowhere Stroll wasnt getting knocked out in Q1 other seasons. He has a pole and podiums which is more than what Hulkenberg and Tsunoda achieved. Stroll has better results than Magnussen, Hulkenberg, Tsunoda, Zhou, etc.
@@darrenho9564 I’d love to see them do a podcast together to see just how stark the differences are although I don’t see the styles meshing well since RPM is a guy who basically exists online as a persona who makes outlandish claims and hilarious jokes, it’s all a bit, and Josh is a guy who makes well-researched documentary-style videos
@@darrenho9564that's the best part. It starts off aggressive, but then it devolves into someone with mania, then he finally goes completely off the rails like he had a mental breakdown close to the end of the video. 😂 Tldr = I like when he's unhinged.
@@Sc0tt_e What would be hilarious is if RPM goes on a podcast and is completely level headed and reasonable for like 2 hours. Then for the last 20 minutes or so he jsut goes back into the bit and goes on a completely unhinged conspiracy rant.
Dad wanted me to go study, for architect no less. He had it all figured out. I had no affinity at all. I also didn’t have the guts to just say no. Worst couple of years of my life. And when I was finally let go, I still had to pretend to feel down about it. In fact I was elated. Methinks the same is happening to Lance right now. Lawrence is the one with the dream, Lance just wants Big Scary Dad not to be mad at him. I feel sorry for the guy. Of course Lance wasn’t allowed to play tennis professionally. Barking Bully Dad wouldn’t have had a chance to build a company around that. It had to be motorsports so he could buy and run the team. Out of respect and love: my dad wasn’t like that at all. He just wanted me to grab the chances he never got. But the effect was the same, I wanted to please him more than I wanted my own thing.
I don’t know if that’s entirely true, if it were Lawrence wouldn’t be so hell bent on having his son racing. If it was purely business he would put as much talent next to Alonso as possible. Lawrence will sell the team so he doesn’t have to sack his son.
Lance's parents divorced a while ago so I'm unsure as to how much influence Lawrence had on him growing up or whether this buy-in into F1 was a "sorry I divorced your mom so here's an F1 seat to make up for all of those lost parenting years" type of thing.
Aston Martin didn't need nepo baby to save them, they needed hard currency. Strulović's vision didn't have to include his mediocre racer son. You are projecting.
I’ve always appreciated that this is the one media/TH-cam channel that actually acknowledges that Stroll has talent/ability, but I also think this season was the beginning of the end for Stroll. Granted a rejuvenated Alonso as a teammate is borderline unfair but Stroll simply isn’t close enough, & if he hasn’t figured something out by this time next year I imagine he’ll move on to WEC or some form of endurance racing.
Here in Brazil, I only know two channels that say that Stroll is a good driver, but has been having a bad season. But the majority are only complaining because they want Drugovich in Stroll's place.
I think it's hard to deny that Lance Stroll has talent: his rise through the ranks, arguably somewhat aided by daddy's money, has shown he's a talented driver. But F1 is simply a step too high for Lance Stroll. In the much slower Williams he was able to keep up with and on occasions even outdrive the car, but in the much faster Aston Martin Stroll simply can't keep up and lags behind the car. Now there's no shame in that, it simply is a fact of life that only the best of the best can make it in the F1 and even of that group only a small percentage is talented enough to win races. I agree that Lance should draw his conclusions, leave F1 and compete in a different class, where his talent can shine and he can even become a world champion.
I think Lance would actually do very well in IndyCar. For similar reasons as to the ones Josh listed for WEC. Race pace, starts, overtakes/traffic management, wet conditions are (usually) all strengths of Stroll, and they fit with a lot of strengths of IndyCar; you can still challenge for wins when starting outside the top 10 and can afford some inconsistency without automatically losing the battle
Well, Piastri also immediately had to compare to Norris. Norris isn't Alonso, but he's certainly no slouch either. And Piastri is doing really well. Furthermore, this is far, far from Lance's first year in F1. He's had his chances, and he's certainly faster than some other guys like Goatifi, but I think it's time he left F1, as rough as that may sound.
Yuki Tsunoda will more then likely replace Lance in 2025 or 2026 when Honda becomes AMR's engine supplier. But IMO Lance is a better driver but Yuki is more focused on improving his skills where Lance is just using his abilities to get by and Stroll seems to have no desire to improve himself or the team his father has bought for him to race for !!
@@darkstar2480 I dunno, but the households of both Don Stroll and Tyrant Mazepin, should have some flying objects through the house once in a while. Instead of the house dog, their sons start just cleaning, it's just in the nature of the beast...
Lance would probably do pretty well in wec, almost every driver that has gone to wec that didn’t do great in F1 has been insanely quick. Take Toyota for example, almost every one of their wec drivers has F1 experience, and Toyota arguably has the strongest driver pace. Even with Giovanazzi at Ferrari, he didn’t do great in F1 but he’s been flying in wec this year.
If Vettel had the fire in him he had back in 2017, maybe. Man just wants to chill with his family and bees now, and honestly that's fine, I'm happy for him. But if that gets boring for him then yes, pleasepleasePLEASE come back Seb...
He was at his peak last year till he announced his retirement. He was almost always near the points. Demolished Stroll. Was constantly challenging faster cars near the front of the midfield. After Hungary his form plummeted and he only had few standout races like Suzuka or USA.
@@paperplane-db8qfHonestly, no, Seb’s performance was pretty consistent in the 2nd half of last year. Take out the car issues at Monza and Mexico, and the awful strategy at Abu Dhabi, he had a decent performance in almost all the other races. Great start at Spa, finishing p8, holding off Lewis and almost max in Singapore, not to mention Suzuka and COTA, and his Abu Dhabi qualifying. The thing is Stroll always had the tyre strategy upperhand within the team in the last few races, Singapore, Brazil and Abu Dhabi, otherwise he would’ve doubled the point gap last year. For 2021 yes, he arguably struggled in the 2nd half right as the car fell in order, but his 2022 performance (bar qualifying) has been his best since 2018.
I think that is exactly what they are doing. Lance will stay put in 2024 but then put into the Valkyrie in 2025. Just enough time to get a new driver in, get him accustomed to the environment at AMF1 and also help them in the development of the new car for the 2026 rules. It's a win for all sides, Lance even has the chance for glory as he would have to other people in the car who could help him out. This would also fit very nicely with Alonso saying for years that he would love to return to Le Mans one day and the rumours about Sebastian Vettels return to motorsport. Can you imagine? An Aston Martin at Le Mans, piloted by Alonso/Vettel/Stroll?
@@zordiark9673In this case, I think he stays as a reserve for one more year, but gets a lot more seat time in testing and practice sessions, then finally gets promoted to a race seat in 2025
Ive said it for a long time, and I'll say it again: Stroll needs to be in the WEC. His strengths are in consistency, at least, in terms of lap over lap consistency. But his qualifying is just abysmal. He's not fast enough. But it's also true that being fast enough for the WEC but not for F1 is still faster than 99.999% of the world's population.
@@santumi2298 If you say his qualifying pace is abysmal, you need to watch Istanbul 2020. Or Monza 2017 where he got into the front-row in a mid car like Williams.
He looked like a decent driver till this year, something clearly happened in his head. I'm sure a season out would be the best choice for him and the team, then maybe he can come back wwith a better motivation
This may sound ridiculous, but the car being good makes him look much worse. A bad car has a lower ceiling so a bad driver can only be so far off their teammate A good car raises the ceiling and the potential skill gap, and that's what we're seeing
Alonsos consistency is the main reason for it. He’s firmly put Lance in his place after he held his own with Seb Vettel, who still could put a shift in even after his 2020 stint at Ferrari. Seeing Alonso get 6 podiums in a row, and you’re sitting no higher than 6th in a race, Lance I think knows his time is up and is secretly relying on Lawrence to save his seat when there’s a damn good roster of drivers waiting for the call
I think he realized that he's not at the level that someone like Alonso is. Or will be. Last year the AM wasn't a good car, so he actually didn't look that far from Vettel. This year Alonso used every bit of potential that this year's AMR had and it showed just how little Stroll is capable of getting out from a car. I honestly think it would be best for him to go to another series, this must be taking a toll on him.
@@JuicedOnKids tbf, he had some absolutely awful luck in 2020 and would've without a doubt won in Turkey without unfortunate damage He was decent until that race in Turkey, has been whatever he is now since then
I don't think Lance should be commended for coming back so early. He clearly wasn't ready. If he had waited a race or two not only would he have been driving at full capacity upon his return, his replacement also would have been driving at full capacity during the first couple of races. Thus the team would have scored more points.
But still, it deserved the shout seeing how fully committed he is. Because any inexperienced driver would hurt the development. Never meant to say Drugovich wasn't ready for F1, he just needed to develop the car more. And, to be fair, I wouldn't prefer to see Nyck De Vries 2.0 in all fairness.
WEC is a fantastic idea for Lance to go to. WEC and F1 to me are on similar levels we know WEC is probably more competitive and it’ll be a great place to show his talents
better driving off for Indy since that's where all the fraudulent clowns go or if you want where all the pretensions rich fuck bois go he'd be a perfect fit for Formula Drift
Lance's last bit of actual good form was lost after his crash a Mugello in 2020, he was 4th in the standings behind Max before that race. Then his tyre failed(which wasn't his fault) but somehow ever since he hasn't recovered the form he showed ever since(Turkey 2020 quali being the only exception).
3:54 Shocked me to be mocked like that in an F1 video LOL. Hard fought game, but you guys deserved the win. The look on sexton's face post game will stay with me for a while. I don't blame him for retiring afterwards. I cant lie im still not over it yet 😭 Edit: 5:30 Dude come on! XD
Don't talk to me mate still devastated and I don't even care about rugby all that much I just wanted the lads to win so badly they we're supposed to be world champions 😭😭
I feel like the pressure is too much for him. He had a good car in 2020 and showed strong results when there was less pressure. But this year, we all know the car was great at the begin of the season and his teammate performed well. Meanwhile Lance first raced injured and after that got his race results ruined by badly timed stops in at least three races. That put him far behind Nando and at that point his performances went from below average to straight up bad.
@@Duval-In-The-Wallwell yeah when your tyre fails while running for a podium, you get taken out multiple times by other drivers, catch covid and miss a round, of course he couldn’t score points. The guy was outracing Perez in 2020 until all of that started happening to him once after another.
After watching Lance for his whole F1 career, I think the fairest way to define thr guy is that he's a good driver, but not enough for a team that wants to compete for big things. In other words, he's a F1 level talent, but for a lower midfield team or a backmarker. So for a team like Aston currently him being there in a race seat only hurts both parts rather than helping him. Tbh, I feel he would thrive as their third driver, being a super sub when needed by the team+doing a few FP sessions here and there. And just like you said, he also seems to be one of those guys who could be great for an endurance program (or a non-F1 program in general).
This is a sober and good take. I would say Stroll is "good enough for formula 1", but not at top driver able to fight for championship titles no matter the car. Putting him in the Valkyrie is a good idea. He will most likely be a top driver in any other form of racing outside of formula 1.
I completely agree with you. Anyone who says Lance is an awful driver must only think it's F1 or nothing in the world of motorsports. Lance had been a good enough F1 driver before this year; he's a good enough midfield driver, he's just not at the level of being in a top team in F1, which is the highest level in all of motorsport out there. So it's not a big deal if you're not at that level, you can still have a very successful career in many other categories. Put Lance in WEC, IndyCar, FE, and he'd be do a whole lot better than he is right now and win races and, dare I say, maybe win championships. If Lance doesn't get back to his 2020-2022 form next year, I'd say he should move to new AM Valkyrie WEC program in 2025.
@@Robalexe I agree. Not only that, but looking at plenty of stuff you can also see that he's a very introverted guy, which is probably hard for him in a world like F1 (where you have a huge spotlight on you at all times). So him being in other categories, where the lights aren't as bright but there's still a great level of competition, could be perfect for the guy. Not only that, but he coming in could also bring him some value for the series themselves considering Lawrence Stroll's contacts.
Once again a solid Formula 1 video from Josh. Good humor, well thought out opinions. I completely agree in that Lance had his chances. Time to try something new. Keep up the great content Josh.
Stroll is Decent in my opinion. he DEMOLISHED all the competition in Euro F3 in 2016. he finished in front of guys like Russell, Hubert, Zhou, Gunther, Cassidy. 14 Wins (5 Wins in The Last 5 Races). i mean, that's something.
Agreed BUT that was seven (7) years ago and EuroF3 This is now 2023 and F1 He simply has been unable to replicate previous form into what is required in F1 Not everyone can achieve to that level It’s a fact Josh surmises that Lance could achieve great things in other areas of motor racing
Lance isn't a bad driver (that is, he isn't as bad as some would want to think). He just isn't going to be much better than he already is and most likely won't improve because he will try to prove that can do better. Lance's father's involvement was most likely a detriment to his development.
Youre right, he isnt bad. Just a Mid-Driver that shouldnt sit in a Car thats way to good for him. He can shine in a Midfield Car at most (like he did with RP in 2019, although more in Wet-weather Conditions).
Exactly, having Williams put his F3 car in their wind tunnel and have the team flying engineers to his F3 races and his Dad shutting down Monza for private F1 tests must have actually worked against him mentally.
The worse stroll does, the better for AM. Think about it: the lower they finish in the constructor's, the more AT time they get next year, which could give alonso the chance to win another race.
Sportcar in general and WEC especially is so fucking underrated. It gives the best racing currently, races are avail for free in full on youtube after a few weeks only after the race and attending it in person is SO FUCKING AFFORDABLE with SO MUCH MORE ACCESS TO THE TEAMS AND THE CARS.
Thank you for shouting out WEC. I think he would be a good fit in the AM. A lot of ex F1 drivers have thrived in other series. Toyota's line up are full of ex F1 drivers. Alonso joined Toyota in 2018 and 2019 in WEC and won basically everything that year.
One thing people forget about AM this year is that development troubles were ALWAYS expected. No one knew the AM would be this good, and the team had to move facilities mid season. That's an even bigger knock on Stroll in my opinion, who would have known that good results were absolutely essential early on in the year to avoid the slump into fourth.
No they weren't, in fact given the huge amount of extra time they had for development over the other front runners thanks to finishing 7th in the championship last year most were expecting big developments early season, it disappointing that we didn't even come close to seeing that.
@@andrewcarter9649 they had more time preseason and made a better car at the start. They had less time and equipment mid-season, and didn't keep up with development. We saw exactly what should've been expected, not sure who "most" is.
In fact I remember watching a 'The Race' video on this very topic early on in the season that came to the same conclusion I did. They'd have a good season but their ability to deliver later on depended almost entirely on how the transition between facilities went.
Lost Vettel, who was absolutely elite at aiding the development of the car. I knew losing him would hurt us Look at 2022, the Aston Martin got BETTER over the course of the season instead of worse
@@Duval-In-The-Wallthey also didn't front end development as much though. We live in the cost cap ERA. AM spend a lot of said cap pre season. Regardless of who the driver was there was going to be regression (unless the other teams collectively dropped the ball and they didnt)
I have the feeling that Stroll truly is what the fandom accuses Checo of being: a massive underachiever with an inferiority complex with a God-like teammate.
There are already "underwhelming" F1 drivers that thrived in WEC. Such as Antonio Giovinazzi as well as Sebastian Buemi. Also pretty hyped for Kvyat and Grosjean for Lamboghini next season. Lance in there would be a cherry in the cake.
Yeah, as much as i dislike "where are my front wheels" buemi he's doing pretty well. Although he should maybe focus a bit less on complaining and more on driving and he'd probably be even better.
In addition, I would argue that WEC has surpassed F1 as the top flight of motorsport. ... Largely because it's got its shit together and isn't a bore when someone streaks ahead. (That's kind of a given in the world of endurance racing; depending on the length, a close race is considered being a lap apart.)
Lance is a great racing driver. Seriously. He just might not be “front-end-of-a-F1-field” great. But in sports cars, touring cars, Indycars, he’d be just fine. Look, at any time there are only maybe 20 humans alive who can race at the front of the F1 field. No shame in being in the next 50 or so best drivers. Here’s to you Lance. You had seven years in F1, that’s more than most of us could ever achieve. No shame in that. Now give the seat to Albon.
Yeah, I'm just not sure that Lance fits F1 as well as he would fit endurance racing. It's very clear that different drivers fit better and worse with certain types of cars. I hope Lance fits well with endurance racing and Lawrence doesn't sell Aston Martin. I love the team and want them to fight for championships in the years to come with any of Fernando, Felipe, Yuki, or whomever they recruit to their team.
Thing is you can use a big name in endurance racing to bring sponsors but have two other proper solid drivers carry them. Not really a problem but he wouldn't be a leading driver of any team. Look at Petit Le Man last weekend, experience in prototypes is king.
i desperately want lance to do well. he gets shit on so much for his dad, as if most people in f1 don't come in w millionaire families too and he seems like a decent guy as well
Honestly thought he was far better not driving for his dad. The fact that he gets shat on for finishing 3 points behind Massa in Williams on his rookie season, its actually quite ridiculous. It is not wrong that he came in with big bucks, but the relentless abuse he’s faced since his rookie season im sure must’ve affected him at some point
Father and Son is to be blamed for Aston Martin's struggles. Yess the development went the wrong way, but if someone else was in that seat that could push Fernando, Aston wouldn't be struggling so badly in the Constructors.
Spa was not Stroll's fault, the team changed his tires when he told them not to. Alonso made the exact same crash while on appropriate tires for the conditions. I've been saying for months that he should be moved into WEC as he's show the dedication to survive in the WEC and his issue in F1 is mainly reaction speed and the slower WEC cars would be better for him.
When a team struggling financially to simply stay alive have a pay driver I can understand it. But when AMR who have plenty of money and are fighting for wins and podiums have one, its just embarrassing. For Lance's own sake, for the sake of AMR, and for the sake of F1, I hope he moves on to other motorsports where he can thrive rather than being the butt of so many jokes. Would love to see him in WEC for instance.
I think Lance would actually do very well in IndyCar. For similar reasons as to the ones Josh listed for WEC. Race pace, starts, overtakes/traffic management, wet conditions are (usually) all strengths of Stroll, and they fit with a lot of strengths of IndyCar; you can still challenge for wins when starting outside the top 10 and can afford some inconsistency without losing in the title fight
I dont get it why people bitch about it. I mean if i had the money to do whatever i wanted and i was bad at it. I would still do it as many times as i want no matter what anyone said. I mean he loves f1 he has a chance to get it as many times as he wants. If I was at his place I would still keep racing even if I was bad at it and ofcourse one day with enough experience and skills he will become good enough.
Feels like a similar case to Danica Patrick, forcing their way into a car they just don’t jive with. Hopefully they do as you suggested and find another series for him.
I feel sorry for Lance.. It's not easy when your dad wants to achieve HIS dreams through you. He reminds me of Cillian Murphy's character in Inception.
@@BlackCat88899 I know what The Race is buddy 🤣😭. What I’m saying is that he talked a whole lot about lance stroll with saying anything interesting or even giving a single unique opinion. This is a video for people who know nothing about lance stroll or F1 in general, DTS kids.
As someone with a sports management degree, I can comfortably say that your strategy pitch to place Lance Stroll into WEC is fairly valid It is absolutely evident, that Lawrence Stroll‘s ambition, to transform Aston Martin into a Championship contending/winning F1 team, will remain impossible, as long as his son occupies one of the seats. TLDR; good video thesis He has to go blud!
Been the season from hell. Horribly unlucky on and off the track, and unable to take advantage of the occasions he wasn't. The year can't end soon enough. But the pileup I've seen makes me sick. Most motorsports media have been egging it on and milking his every word or struggle for engagement, and the fandom is no better. Enough of this.
My very first thought when they announced the Valkyrie project was that this was a setup for an "honourable" exit from F1 for Lance. The problem is I don't know is he's going to last another year.
Yesterday i read a news article saying that Stroll Father blame "bad luck" and "injured hand" as reasons why Stroll is not good this season. But to be honest, there's many other reasons.
Fernando Sigmalonso slaps ANOTHER teammate. The window licker has hit his top-performance long ago and Alonso has just exposed it to everybody. Lance's not getting any better, folks
I can't believe Aston Martin and RCR is dealing with the exact issue of a driver only being on a team because of a relationships to the owner and having to compete with a champion teammate
i want lance to do well, i like him as a person - and i think that he would be better in WEC for sure, but i think hed be fine if he didnt get SO much shite from people online every time anything happens. guy cant catch a break.
Liam has shown he's capable. He also has a good attitude. At the moment I think he's more deserving than Stroll, Sargent or even Danny Ric. The AT car this year is trash and he managed to do well in it at a couple races. He more than deserves a full time ride at this point.
Well, I must say i kind of like the fact Lance had a really good weekend in Brazil. Especially with the vultures out here crying. It’s also very tiring seeing the bitter neck beard basement dwellers mentioning his daddy’s billions and blah blah blah. Those lot must have really sad and miserable existences. Should get rid of Perez, Zhou and Sargeant then huh? They’re paid drivers and we have got to enjoy Verstappen completely expose the charade of Checo.
I was pissed about Lance driving with broken wrists because I was sure we'd see my countryman Felipe Drugovich get some F1 action. But knowing Lawrence, they pushed Lance back exactly to avoid comparisons between him and Drugo.
I’ve been trying to shrug off the quarters loss for two weeks, and then I got a chance to distract myself with another passion in F1. Only for Josh to burn Ireland worse than Alonso’s seat burned his ass. Thanks for that Josh 😂
Nepotism is never really a good thing to hear or see. But I get it. Daddy invested money into a F1 team, so Daddy gets to have a large say of who drives. Lance did come up the regular route with F2 and F3, so he does have experience and talent. However his talents cannot match those of say Max or in this case an aging Alonso. Lance has horrible post-race interviews, just hurts the brand....which then turns the spotlight on Lawrence. Who in my opinion doesn't care about having two winning cars. He just cares if the brand wins. Effectively Lance's seat is a joke, but Lawrence has to see the writing on the wall. The son is hurting his brand, which in turn hurts the wallet and much more. Business over family? Sure, but it's got to be done gracefully, because I sense Lance has a lot of insecurities
Alonso is arguably one of the best drivers in F1 history, if not the best. He's still at his peak and would destroy half the grid the same way he does with Stroll. People keeps underestimating Alonso over and over because he only has two WDC.
I think it's just speaks to how truly talented Alonso is, when he's a 2 time champion and is top 10 in wins all time, and yet we feel like he could have achieved some much more in his career
Sure there have been fisticuffs in the pitlane in the past and I'm glad that, for the most part, the sport seems to have grown out of that phase and drivers maybe have their egos in check a bit better these days. But what Lance did wasn't driver on driver it was employer on employee, billionaire overlord on underling and that, for me, is a whole other level of sinister! Where does Lance's relationship with his trainer even go from there? Wait, maybe it happens a lot off camera though - thought it was odd that a certain other driver's trainer left in such a hurry...
Employer... Billionaire... I wasnt aware it was Lawrence that pushed him, I thought it was Lance. As for where their relationship goes: from every single F1 professional i've ever heard talk about Lance, he seems to be very well regarded as a very nice bloke - so i'd imagine their relationship goes back to normal. It was simply a push in a heated moment after all.
He has ridden the wave of Formula Netflix but fact of the matter is money talks. Always has and always will, the amount of cars will just be reduced to increase the cost of the seats. The days of Fabi brothers sharing a ride is over, it's about silent marketing. People still think Logan Sargeant isn't a pay driver but look at the billions of dollars his family has...
It's kind of ironic that Lance had his best performances when his wrists were still half broken.. I mean the car was probably also at its best at the time but still
hmmm... I guess we know what Lawrence has to do if he REALLY wants his son to be a world champion
@@RedHedgehog11 It worked wonders when Jos did it eh?
@@RedHedgehog11"I know what I must do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it"
It shows he CAN do more then what he did this season... if he wants to and not drive begging his father to leave...
@@cgomega3987 Even if we don't know how Lawrence really is outside F1 he doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.
It's been a while since Lance Stroll hit his ceiling. Only difference is that now he realizes it.
He knows it's not gonna get any better and its getting to him.
Well, considering reaching F1 is already a big triumph, I believe he should move to other championship where the level is low. He will have guaranteed a decent seat, and will finally enjoy racing. Sadly as you said this is too much for him, he will only get more and more frustrated.
@@xc3274 not so much a triumph when your family are billionaires, see: Sargeant/Mazepin/Latifi
@@xc3274 Yah, but after a decent F3 season (preceded by an unimpressive F3 season where actual F1 quality drivers moved up to F2) he was given an F1 seat. He didn't 'reach F1', his dad stood on a large pile of money and set him in F1. You can argue that at times Lance showed maybe he might deserve his seat (I'd dissagree but fine) but you cannot say Lance in any way shape or form earned his seat. Latiffi, Mazapin,... did more to 'earn' and F1 seat when their dad bought theirs.
@@colpul2103 Not at all lmao. He has always been among the worst but definitely not worse than those two, and not because they were driving worse cars, at least Lance hasn't destroyed 8 million cars in a record time. Those two were a complete shame for the sport. This is just a daddy's boy who has started to understand he won't be a top driver. Btw, how can you say ''a decent F3 season'' when he literally doubled the points to the 2nd driver, and there were names like Russell, Zhou, Illiot or Hubert??? Lol. That's some bias there.
@@colpul2103 whine all you want Lance has hundreds of points, podiums and a pole position. He's hardly a top tier racer but the trolling is just stupid. It's obvious that the low IQ DTS fans favorite past time is whining, crying, and hating on him. He had awful qualifying last week. His race however was impressive, particularly under those conditions, if you want to be truthful about things.
You are a good guy. You don’t want him to burn, just shine in the right place.
Nah he's winning at COTA this weekend, you heard it here first
@@Freddedonnaimagine being this naive and moronic
You know how it is Max is going to piss off into the distance and win
@@Freddedonnaput the glass pipe down.
I second this@@Freddedonna
@@4rdF1Hunny Copium rlly beatin they ass 😂
With so much talent that could come into f1 its a shame they* are wasting seats
Shame they're limiting seats. Andretti can and will run two seats a lot better than the 2010 fiascos.
@@alpharaciingeeehhh, Lawson? Drugovich???
@@alpharaciingBearman! Bearman's awesome
@@alpharaciing We should convince Rosberg to come back !!!!
@@alpharaciing errr, Lawson, Shwartzman, Vesti, Iwasa, Doohan, Martins, Pourchaire to name a few. Heaps of guys from the Indycar scene look promising for F1. There's a lot more than just Bearman.
Too bad the Lance Stroll maiden win prediction won't ever be fulfilled
Imagine if this becomes a jinx again
*wins this weekend*
I'm aware this will likely Age like milk but oh well
They need to bring back the more talented Canadian of this generation! Goatifi incoming!
Do not jinx this. His father will use it to justify keeping him another 3 seasons
Whenever Lance has his first season outside of F1 and Josh drops the maiden win prediction, Lance will super sub for someone in the team and win a race
It's the prophecy
100% agree. Especially because he is in his 7th season and there is not really any improvement. And I would expect improvement from the driver who has the most secured seat in the whole F1-grid. (Seriously, even long-term contracts like the ones from Norris or Verstappen are not as secure as the seat of Lance Stroll...)
I see papa stroll re-brand are works, heard rumour he already make her second sale in f1 with a good profit😂,1) he sell cruise to latifis dad after his son out& cash out his investment from f1. 2) aston martin rise as mid term team might sell in high price, maybe thats why he dgaf in last half season😂 it sold
Piquet Jr has a podcast and in this week episode he asked around on the backstage and was told Lance asked 3 times, over the years, to leave F1 but Lawrence didn't let him.
Oh, poor nepo baby, doing what he's told by his sponsor... such a tragic fate.
@vulekv93 reading comprehension can be difficult, I'll help you out.
The window li- The canadian wants to leave. His dad won't let him.
The perpetual insistence from Lawrence and Krack that it’s just bad luck is such overt nonsense I’ll never be able to take this team seriously while Lance is driving for them.
I said the exact same thing on another video. Lawrence claims that he wants to develop Aston Martin into a championship winning team. However the fact that he insists on his son occupying one of the race seats, even though it’s painfully obvious that Lance isn’t world champion material, makes me not take Lawrence seriously.
He cannot develop the team into the best team he can and have his son drive for him at the same time, because his son is simply not good enough to go toe to toe with the elite drivers. That’s why Alonso is making him look inept, yet Mike Krack and Lawrence are pulling out every excuse in the book to explain away Lance’s non performance.
Kimi and Massa had the same results driving a car developed for Alonso’s driving style.
Those two shouldn’t have been F1 drivers or what?
@@paperplane-db8qf The AM wasn't developed for Alonso in any other year Stroll has been driving.
It’s honestly offensive that someone of his level has had 7 years in f1. That’s at least 4 years that someone else with talent could’ve had a shot at it.
@@Majima_Nowhere Stroll wasnt getting knocked out in Q1 other seasons. He has a pole and podiums which is more than what Hulkenberg and Tsunoda achieved.
Stroll has better results than Magnussen, Hulkenberg, Tsunoda, Zhou, etc.
I love how josh and RPM both post very different videos on Lance within a few hours of each other lol
Josh for a calm, level headed discussion and RPM for the tinfoil hat energy banter 😂
@@darrenho9564 I’d love to see them do a podcast together to see just how stark the differences are although I don’t see the styles meshing well since RPM is a guy who basically exists online as a persona who makes outlandish claims and hilarious jokes, it’s all a bit, and Josh is a guy who makes well-researched documentary-style videos
@@darrenho9564that's the best part. It starts off aggressive, but then it devolves into someone with mania, then he finally goes completely off the rails like he had a mental breakdown close to the end of the video. 😂
Tldr = I like when he's unhinged.
@@Sc0tt_e
What would be hilarious is if RPM goes on a podcast and is completely level headed and reasonable for like 2 hours. Then for the last 20 minutes or so he jsut goes back into the bit and goes on a completely unhinged conspiracy rant.
@@ieuanhunt552 I would absolutely love to see that
You could've mentioned Giovanazzi and how well he's doing now, even winning LeMans with Ferrari.
Im glad he did, he was floundering in Formula E and F1 but clearly has the skill and talent for endurance racing.
@@0Synergyeh, not really. He's decent, but WEC is almost completely about the car, drivers are like 10 times less important than in F1.
@@davorzdralo8000 He was good enough to keep it on the black stuff, which is big pro to have for an endurance racer.
Stroll responds to your ridiculous video with a P7?
What is ridiculous about the video in your opinion?
Dad wanted me to go study, for architect no less. He had it all figured out.
I had no affinity at all. I also didn’t have the guts to just say no. Worst couple of years of my life. And when I was finally let go, I still had to pretend to feel down about it. In fact I was elated.
Methinks the same is happening to Lance right now. Lawrence is the one with the dream, Lance just wants Big Scary Dad not to be mad at him. I feel sorry for the guy.
Of course Lance wasn’t allowed to play tennis professionally. Barking Bully Dad wouldn’t have had a chance to build a company around that. It had to be motorsports so he could buy and run the team.
Out of respect and love: my dad wasn’t like that at all. He just wanted me to grab the chances he never got. But the effect was the same, I wanted to please him more than I wanted my own thing.
Very true, parents' dreams of us must die so ours can live
I don’t know if that’s entirely true, if it were Lawrence wouldn’t be so hell bent on having his son racing. If it was purely business he would put as much talent next to Alonso as possible. Lawrence will sell the team so he doesn’t have to sack his son.
Lance's parents divorced a while ago so I'm unsure as to how much influence Lawrence had on him growing up or whether this buy-in into F1 was a "sorry I divorced your mom so here's an F1 seat to make up for all of those lost parenting years" type of thing.
Aston Martin didn't need nepo baby to save them, they needed hard currency. Strulović's vision didn't have to include his mediocre racer son. You are projecting.
I’ve always appreciated that this is the one media/TH-cam channel that actually acknowledges that Stroll has talent/ability, but I also think this season was the beginning of the end for Stroll. Granted a rejuvenated Alonso as a teammate is borderline unfair but Stroll simply isn’t close enough, & if he hasn’t figured something out by this time next year I imagine he’ll move on to WEC or some form of endurance racing.
Here in Brazil, I only know two channels that say that Stroll is a good driver, but has been having a bad season. But the majority are only complaining because they want Drugovich in Stroll's place.
I think it's hard to deny that Lance Stroll has talent: his rise through the ranks, arguably somewhat aided by daddy's money, has shown he's a talented driver. But F1 is simply a step too high for Lance Stroll. In the much slower Williams he was able to keep up with and on occasions even outdrive the car, but in the much faster Aston Martin Stroll simply can't keep up and lags behind the car. Now there's no shame in that, it simply is a fact of life that only the best of the best can make it in the F1 and even of that group only a small percentage is talented enough to win races.
I agree that Lance should draw his conclusions, leave F1 and compete in a different class, where his talent can shine and he can even become a world champion.
I think Lance would actually do very well in IndyCar. For similar reasons as to the ones Josh listed for WEC. Race pace, starts, overtakes/traffic management, wet conditions are (usually) all strengths of Stroll, and they fit with a lot of strengths of IndyCar; you can still challenge for wins when starting outside the top 10 and can afford some inconsistency without automatically losing the battle
Well, Piastri also immediately had to compare to Norris. Norris isn't Alonso, but he's certainly no slouch either. And Piastri is doing really well. Furthermore, this is far, far from Lance's first year in F1. He's had his chances, and he's certainly faster than some other guys like Goatifi, but I think it's time he left F1, as rough as that may sound.
Yuki Tsunoda will more then likely replace Lance in 2025 or 2026 when Honda becomes AMR's engine supplier. But IMO Lance is a better driver but Yuki is more focused on improving his skills where Lance is just using his abilities to get by and Stroll seems to have no desire to improve himself or the team his father has bought for him to race for !!
The Ireland slander caught me off guard. That one hurt!
We can say a lot about the Stroll family, but together with the Mazepin family they must have the cleanest windows of any home...😂
That’s foul 💀💀💀💀
I would posit licking windows makes them dirtier, not cleaner. 😂
@@darkstar2480 I dunno, but the households of both Don Stroll and Tyrant Mazepin, should have some flying objects through the house once in a while.
Instead of the house dog, their sons start just cleaning, it's just in the nature of the beast...
Lance would probably do pretty well in wec, almost every driver that has gone to wec that didn’t do great in F1 has been insanely quick. Take Toyota for example, almost every one of their wec drivers has F1 experience, and Toyota arguably has the strongest driver pace. Even with Giovanazzi at Ferrari, he didn’t do great in F1 but he’s been flying in wec this year.
Even gelael took podium in wec
@@igpbayuarriputra2081bruuuuuuuh
I know Vettel was not his best at Aston but I would love to see Alonso and Vettel in a podium potential car in 2024.
I feel like Alonso would still win out from the two, but at least, I feel like Vettel would have the motivation and skill to actually make it close
If Vettel had the fire in him he had back in 2017, maybe. Man just wants to chill with his family and bees now, and honestly that's fine, I'm happy for him.
But if that gets boring for him then yes, pleasepleasePLEASE come back Seb...
He was at his peak last year till he announced his retirement. He was almost always near the points. Demolished Stroll. Was constantly challenging faster cars near the front of the midfield.
After Hungary his form plummeted and he only had few standout races like Suzuka or USA.
He would beat alonso and that’s a fact
@@paperplane-db8qfHonestly, no, Seb’s performance was pretty consistent in the 2nd half of last year. Take out the car issues at Monza and Mexico, and the awful strategy at Abu Dhabi, he had a decent performance in almost all the other races. Great start at Spa, finishing p8, holding off Lewis and almost max in Singapore, not to mention Suzuka and COTA, and his Abu Dhabi qualifying. The thing is Stroll always had the tyre strategy upperhand within the team in the last few races, Singapore, Brazil and Abu Dhabi, otherwise he would’ve doubled the point gap last year.
For 2021 yes, he arguably struggled in the 2nd half right as the car fell in order, but his 2022 performance (bar qualifying) has been his best since 2018.
0:45 RocketPoweredMohawk moment
came here for this
Mick Schumarer for this passionate commitment lost his seat at HAAS. So, looks like this passion is not needed in most teams
The difference is Mick Schumacher sucks, at least Stroll finishes races
Results are needed
I think that is exactly what they are doing. Lance will stay put in 2024 but then put into the Valkyrie in 2025. Just enough time to get a new driver in, get him accustomed to the environment at AMF1 and also help them in the development of the new car for the 2026 rules. It's a win for all sides, Lance even has the chance for glory as he would have to other people in the car who could help him out. This would also fit very nicely with Alonso saying for years that he would love to return to Le Mans one day and the rumours about Sebastian Vettels return to motorsport. Can you imagine? An Aston Martin at Le Mans, piloted by Alonso/Vettel/Stroll?
What about Drugovich? He cant be worse than Lance at the moment.
@@zordiark9673In this case, I think he stays as a reserve for one more year, but gets a lot more seat time in testing and practice sessions, then finally gets promoted to a race seat in 2025
Ive said it for a long time, and I'll say it again: Stroll needs to be in the WEC. His strengths are in consistency, at least, in terms of lap over lap consistency. But his qualifying is just abysmal. He's not fast enough. But it's also true that being fast enough for the WEC but not for F1 is still faster than 99.999% of the world's population.
My thought too.
@@santumi2298 If you say his qualifying pace is abysmal, you need to watch Istanbul 2020.
Or Monza 2017 where he got into the front-row in a mid car like Williams.
He looked like a decent driver till this year, something clearly happened in his head. I'm sure a season out would be the best choice for him and the team, then maybe he can come back wwith a better motivation
This may sound ridiculous, but the car being good makes him look much worse.
A bad car has a lower ceiling so a bad driver can only be so far off their teammate
A good car raises the ceiling and the potential skill gap, and that's what we're seeing
Alonsos consistency is the main reason for it. He’s firmly put Lance in his place after he held his own with Seb Vettel, who still could put a shift in even after his 2020 stint at Ferrari. Seeing Alonso get 6 podiums in a row, and you’re sitting no higher than 6th in a race, Lance I think knows his time is up and is secretly relying on Lawrence to save his seat when there’s a damn good roster of drivers waiting for the call
I think he realized that he's not at the level that someone like Alonso is. Or will be.
Last year the AM wasn't a good car, so he actually didn't look that far from Vettel.
This year Alonso used every bit of potential that this year's AMR had and it showed just how little Stroll is capable of getting out from a car.
I honestly think it would be best for him to go to another series, this must be taking a toll on him.
@@robertharrington703He had a good car in 2020, Perez finished 4th iirc and he finished like 10/11th.
Perez is an Average driver mind you.
@@JuicedOnKids tbf, he had some absolutely awful luck in 2020 and would've without a doubt won in Turkey without unfortunate damage
He was decent until that race in Turkey, has been whatever he is now since then
I don't think Lance should be commended for coming back so early. He clearly wasn't ready. If he had waited a race or two not only would he have been driving at full capacity upon his return, his replacement also would have been driving at full capacity during the first couple of races. Thus the team would have scored more points.
But still, it deserved the shout seeing how fully committed he is. Because any inexperienced driver would hurt the development. Never meant to say Drugovich wasn't ready for F1, he just needed to develop the car more. And, to be fair, I wouldn't prefer to see Nyck De Vries 2.0 in all fairness.
0:46 i can hear a faint "window licker" in the distance lmao
Could’ve sworn I heard a British Mohawk shouting “Spastic”in the bathtub.
Must’ve been the wind.
WEC is a fantastic idea for Lance to go to. WEC and F1 to me are on similar levels we know WEC is probably more competitive and it’ll be a great place to show his talents
better driving off for Indy since that's where all the fraudulent clowns go or if you want where all the pretensions rich fuck bois go he'd be a perfect fit for Formula Drift
Talent?
@@juhomaukonen3969 just like josh said he’s good at making up positions and wet weather driving however few he as some level of talent
@@jamesnorelli again as Josh said the 24 hour Daytona race he did fairly well now Le Mans is a different beast but at least he has experience
tyres in wec aren"t as fragile as the f1 pirellis
Lance's last bit of actual good form was lost after his crash a Mugello in 2020, he was 4th in the standings behind Max before that race. Then his tyre failed(which wasn't his fault) but somehow ever since he hasn't recovered the form he showed ever since(Turkey 2020 quali being the only exception).
3:54 Shocked me to be mocked like that in an F1 video LOL. Hard fought game, but you guys deserved the win. The look on sexton's face post game will stay with me for a while. I don't blame him for retiring afterwards. I cant lie im still not over it yet 😭
Edit: 5:30 Dude come on! XD
Don't talk to me mate still devastated and I don't even care about rugby all that much I just wanted the lads to win so badly they we're supposed to be world champions 😭😭
@@dervy5935 supposed to.
I feel like the pressure is too much for him. He had a good car in 2020 and showed strong results when there was less pressure. But this year, we all know the car was great at the begin of the season and his teammate performed well. Meanwhile Lance first raced injured and after that got his race results ruined by badly timed stops in at least three races. That put him far behind Nando and at that point his performances went from below average to straight up bad.
He showed strong results for half of 2020. He finished fucking 11th in the standings ffs
The car was undriveable after 6 months of racing it, said Alonso.
@@Duval-In-The-Wallwell yeah when your tyre fails while running for a podium, you get taken out multiple times by other drivers, catch covid and miss a round, of course he couldn’t score points. The guy was outracing Perez in 2020 until all of that started happening to him once after another.
@@liamvandeseijp6901what? Perez had even worse luck, but outscored him significantly.
Maybe with another drivers that car can done even better results.
After watching Lance for his whole F1 career, I think the fairest way to define thr guy is that he's a good driver, but not enough for a team that wants to compete for big things. In other words, he's a F1 level talent, but for a lower midfield team or a backmarker.
So for a team like Aston currently him being there in a race seat only hurts both parts rather than helping him. Tbh, I feel he would thrive as their third driver, being a super sub when needed by the team+doing a few FP sessions here and there. And just like you said, he also seems to be one of those guys who could be great for an endurance program (or a non-F1 program in general).
This is a sober and good take. I would say Stroll is "good enough for formula 1", but not at top driver able to fight for championship titles no matter the car. Putting him in the Valkyrie is a good idea. He will most likely be a top driver in any other form of racing outside of formula 1.
I completely agree with you. Anyone who says Lance is an awful driver must only think it's F1 or nothing in the world of motorsports. Lance had been a good enough F1 driver before this year; he's a good enough midfield driver, he's just not at the level of being in a top team in F1, which is the highest level in all of motorsport out there. So it's not a big deal if you're not at that level, you can still have a very successful career in many other categories. Put Lance in WEC, IndyCar, FE, and he'd be do a whole lot better than he is right now and win races and, dare I say, maybe win championships. If Lance doesn't get back to his 2020-2022 form next year, I'd say he should move to new AM Valkyrie WEC program in 2025.
@@Robalexe I agree. Not only that, but looking at plenty of stuff you can also see that he's a very introverted guy, which is probably hard for him in a world like F1 (where you have a huge spotlight on you at all times). So him being in other categories, where the lights aren't as bright but there's still a great level of competition, could be perfect for the guy. Not only that, but he coming in could also bring him some value for the series themselves considering Lawrence Stroll's contacts.
@@zoelotero Oh yeah, I'd say Lance is the most introverted driver on the grid as someone who is 100% introverted myself lol.
TH-cam recommended this video after Stroll sent Ricciardo to the shadow realm. 😆
Love the Irish jokes Josh. 🤣🍀Rugby and F1 is a beautiful match.
Once again a solid Formula 1 video from Josh. Good humor, well thought out opinions.
I completely agree in that Lance had his chances. Time to try something new.
Keep up the great content Josh.
I wanna see Stroll in WEC. His consistency is elite. You can look at his lap-by-lap times.
Yeah he would be really great.... for a Vanwall.....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 consistency isn’t difficult when he’s slow as shit
Josh posted this video and lo and behold! Stroll finished 7th in the US GP!
Stroll is Decent in my opinion. he DEMOLISHED all the competition in Euro F3 in 2016.
he finished in front of guys like Russell, Hubert, Zhou, Gunther, Cassidy.
14 Wins (5 Wins in The Last 5 Races).
i mean, that's something.
Agreed BUT that was seven (7) years ago and EuroF3
This is now 2023 and F1
He simply has been unable to replicate previous form into what is required in F1
Not everyone can achieve to that level
It’s a fact
Josh surmises that Lance could
achieve great things in other areas of motor racing
@@gordonritchie9341 imo he can easily be a Multi-Time WEC Champion
@@soultiedinaknotiamnotme yes!
Lance isn't a bad driver (that is, he isn't as bad as some would want to think). He just isn't going to be much better than he already is and most likely won't improve because he will try to prove that can do better. Lance's father's involvement was most likely a detriment to his development.
Youre right, he isnt bad. Just a Mid-Driver that shouldnt sit in a Car thats way to good for him. He can shine in a Midfield Car at most (like he did with RP in 2019, although more in Wet-weather Conditions).
Exactly, having Williams put his F3 car in their wind tunnel and have the team flying engineers to his F3 races and his Dad shutting down Monza for private F1 tests must have actually worked against him mentally.
@@zordiark9673 2020-2022 were better seasons for Lance than 2019
Lance Stroll is kinda like Bruno Senna. They both kinda struggled in F1 but heading to the WEC, Senna thrived
At least, Lance Stroll was not too late to enter F1, but the opposite.
The worse stroll does, the better for AM.
Think about it: the lower they finish in the constructor's, the more AT time they get next year, which could give alonso the chance to win another race.
Sportcar in general and WEC especially is so fucking underrated. It gives the best racing currently, races are avail for free in full on youtube after a few weeks only after the race and attending it in person is SO FUCKING AFFORDABLE with SO MUCH MORE ACCESS TO THE TEAMS AND THE CARS.
My understanding is that Mark Webber also did quite well in WEC after F1 with the Porsche team, so it's no bad thing.
He did fly really high in WEC. Okay, the joke went too far.
@@kohikappuI'm sure it's gonna go over some people's heads... okay I'll see myself out😂
sit back and enjoy the roast...
Thank you for shouting out WEC. I think he would be a good fit in the AM.
A lot of ex F1 drivers have thrived in other series. Toyota's line up are full of ex F1 drivers.
Alonso joined Toyota in 2018 and 2019 in WEC and won basically everything that year.
One thing people forget about AM this year is that development troubles were ALWAYS expected. No one knew the AM would be this good, and the team had to move facilities mid season. That's an even bigger knock on Stroll in my opinion, who would have known that good results were absolutely essential early on in the year to avoid the slump into fourth.
No they weren't, in fact given the huge amount of extra time they had for development over the other front runners thanks to finishing 7th in the championship last year most were expecting big developments early season, it disappointing that we didn't even come close to seeing that.
@@andrewcarter9649 they had more time preseason and made a better car at the start. They had less time and equipment mid-season, and didn't keep up with development. We saw exactly what should've been expected, not sure who "most" is.
In fact I remember watching a 'The Race' video on this very topic early on in the season that came to the same conclusion I did. They'd have a good season but their ability to deliver later on depended almost entirely on how the transition between facilities went.
Lost Vettel, who was absolutely elite at aiding the development of the car. I knew losing him would hurt us
Look at 2022, the Aston Martin got BETTER over the course of the season instead of worse
@@Duval-In-The-Wallthey also didn't front end development as much though.
We live in the cost cap ERA. AM spend a lot of said cap pre season. Regardless of who the driver was there was going to be regression (unless the other teams collectively dropped the ball and they didnt)
0:49 Nice to see RPM getting a shoutout.
I have the feeling that Stroll truly is what the fandom accuses Checo of being: a massive underachiever with an inferiority complex with a God-like teammate.
There are already "underwhelming" F1 drivers that thrived in WEC. Such as Antonio Giovinazzi as well as Sebastian Buemi. Also pretty hyped for Kvyat and Grosjean for Lamboghini next season. Lance in there would be a cherry in the cake.
Yeah, as much as i dislike "where are my front wheels" buemi he's doing pretty well. Although he should maybe focus a bit less on complaining and more on driving and he'd probably be even better.
Kvyatt AND Rogro in one team? That's going to be one hell of a repair bill.
@@fix0the0spadeThere's a reason they joined Daytona instead of a real hypercar...
0:44 "he is a cruch of other F1 TH-cam channels"
Few hours later: RocketPoweredMohawk has uploaded a video
“WINDOW LICKING BASTARD”
In addition, I would argue that WEC has surpassed F1 as the top flight of motorsport.
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Largely because it's got its shit together and isn't a bore when someone streaks ahead. (That's kind of a given in the world of endurance racing; depending on the length, a close race is considered being a lap apart.)
Lance is a great racing driver. Seriously. He just might not be “front-end-of-a-F1-field” great. But in sports cars, touring cars, Indycars, he’d be just fine. Look, at any time there are only maybe 20 humans alive who can race at the front of the F1 field. No shame in being in the next 50 or so best drivers. Here’s to you Lance. You had seven years in F1, that’s more than most of us could ever achieve. No shame in that.
Now give the seat to Albon.
Yeah, I'm just not sure that Lance fits F1 as well as he would fit endurance racing. It's very clear that different drivers fit better and worse with certain types of cars. I hope Lance fits well with endurance racing and Lawrence doesn't sell Aston Martin. I love the team and want them to fight for championships in the years to come with any of Fernando, Felipe, Yuki, or whomever they recruit to their team.
Thing is you can use a big name in endurance racing to bring sponsors but have two other proper solid drivers carry them. Not really a problem but he wouldn't be a leading driver of any team. Look at Petit Le Man last weekend, experience in prototypes is king.
I honestly feel like it might be best for him and his mental health to be sacked.
i desperately want lance to do well. he gets shit on so much for his dad, as if most people in f1 don't come in w millionaire families too and he seems like a decent guy as well
Honestly thought he was far better not driving for his dad. The fact that he gets shat on for finishing 3 points behind Massa in Williams on his rookie season, its actually quite ridiculous. It is not wrong that he came in with big bucks, but the relentless abuse he’s faced since his rookie season im sure must’ve affected him at some point
Decent. Right..
Ahhh yes rocketpoweredmohawk’s favourite driver
Father and Son is to be blamed for Aston Martin's struggles.
Yess the development went the wrong way, but if someone else was in that seat that could push Fernando, Aston wouldn't be struggling so badly in the Constructors.
Revell is the Lawful Good compared to RPM's Chaotic Evil
The nerve!
Spa was not Stroll's fault, the team changed his tires when he told them not to. Alonso made the exact same crash while on appropriate tires for the conditions.
I've been saying for months that he should be moved into WEC as he's show the dedication to survive in the WEC and his issue in F1 is mainly reaction speed and the slower WEC cars would be better for him.
When a team struggling financially to simply stay alive have a pay driver I can understand it. But when AMR who have plenty of money and are fighting for wins and podiums have one, its just embarrassing. For Lance's own sake, for the sake of AMR, and for the sake of F1, I hope he moves on to other motorsports where he can thrive rather than being the butt of so many jokes. Would love to see him in WEC for instance.
Can't wait for the next RPM vid... 😂😂😂😂
the RPM video was a masterpiece
I think Lance would actually do very well in IndyCar. For similar reasons as to the ones Josh listed for WEC. Race pace, starts, overtakes/traffic management, wet conditions are (usually) all strengths of Stroll, and they fit with a lot of strengths of IndyCar; you can still challenge for wins when starting outside the top 10 and can afford some inconsistency without losing in the title fight
0:47 rocket powered Mohawk:”I feel a disturbance in my Mohawk”
New video from Josh and rocketpoweredmohawk what a morning!!
I dont get it why people bitch about it. I mean if i had the money to do whatever i wanted and i was bad at it. I would still do it as many times as i want no matter what anyone said. I mean he loves f1 he has a chance to get it as many times as he wants. If I was at his place I would still keep racing even if I was bad at it and ofcourse one day with enough experience and skills he will become good enough.
Feels like a similar case to Danica Patrick, forcing their way into a car they just don’t jive with. Hopefully they do as you suggested and find another series for him.
I feel sorry for Lance.. It's not easy when your dad wants to achieve HIS dreams through you. He reminds me of Cillian Murphy's character in Inception.
I'm impressed this video breaks the 10 minute mark. So little of substance is actually said.
Check out THE RACE if you think this had no substance
@@BlackCat88899 I know what The Race is buddy 🤣😭. What I’m saying is that he talked a whole lot about lance stroll with saying anything interesting or even giving a single unique opinion. This is a video for people who know nothing about lance stroll or F1 in general, DTS kids.
"talked about by *certain other F1 youtubers*" I AM CALM
I've actually had the same feeling about Lance and the WEC. No loss in trying at least, unlike the losses the F1 team has sustained.
All in all, Lance Stroll isn't the root of the problems, Lawrence is.
As someone with a sports management degree, I can comfortably say that your strategy pitch to place Lance Stroll into WEC is fairly valid
It is absolutely evident, that Lawrence Stroll‘s ambition, to transform Aston Martin into a Championship contending/winning F1 team, will remain impossible, as long as his son occupies one of the seats.
TLDR; good video thesis
He has to go blud!
Only thing I can say about stroll this year is that he was the only person able to take Spain turn 14 flat out
Been the season from hell. Horribly unlucky on and off the track, and unable to take advantage of the occasions he wasn't. The year can't end soon enough.
But the pileup I've seen makes me sick. Most motorsports media have been egging it on and milking his every word or struggle for engagement, and the fandom is no better. Enough of this.
Daddy Stroll would never fire his son. 😂😂😂 Thats the reason he bought an F1 team. So just kicks rocks. Sir Lancelot is here to stay. 😅😅
My very first thought when they announced the Valkyrie project was that this was a setup for an "honourable" exit from F1 for Lance. The problem is I don't know is he's going to last another year.
The other youtubers he is talking about is Rocket Powered Mohawk, I think. 0:49
That Ferrari logo made me laugh out loud 😂
Lance would probably be super quick in other categories, why he doesn't consider that is beyond me.
I could see him a world champion in Formula E, but maybe WEC is a better path.
@@kohikappu I think his strengths would suit IndyCar more than FE
@@Robalexe IndyCar would be suitable as well, but I refused to see Grosjean 2.0 at one point. WEC is a much better option.
@@kohikappu Lance and Romain are very different characters though
It is a bit unfortunate to be an F1 driver and your last name be "stroll".
*Strulovich
or as one eccentric Sheffield man likes to call it: "Vitch Tits"
which isn't even is real last name
Kinda funny how this is still relevant 6 months later😂
I'm sure you get this all the time, but I'd love to see you and rocket powered Mohawk do a collaboration
RPM is a manus
0:48 Audience: leave your suggestions below!
Yesterday i read a news article saying that Stroll Father blame "bad luck" and "injured hand" as reasons why Stroll is not good this season.
But to be honest, there's many other reasons.
i beg josh does a video on the rugby world cup
Regardless of anything else, being a full second behind his teammate is incredible.
Fernando Sigmalonso slaps ANOTHER teammate. The window licker has hit his top-performance long ago and Alonso has just exposed it to everybody. Lance's not getting any better, folks
I can't believe Aston Martin and RCR is dealing with the exact issue of a driver only being on a team because of a relationships to the owner and having to compete with a champion teammate
Also italian jesus helped ferrari win at le mans this year
Or.....we could........THROW! HIM! IN! JAIL!
Watching this after brazil 😂
that irish rugby joke hit hard
i want lance to do well, i like him as a person - and i think that he would be better in WEC for sure, but i think hed be fine if he didnt get SO much shite from people online every time anything happens. guy cant catch a break.
we all know Josh just wants Liam Lawson in a seat, so bad
I think a *lot* of people want to see Liam Lawson with a permanent drive.
Liam has shown he's capable. He also has a good attitude. At the moment I think he's more deserving than Stroll, Sargent or even Danny Ric. The AT car this year is trash and he managed to do well in it at a couple races. He more than deserves a full time ride at this point.
0:50 was that a RocketPMohawk reference?
Well, I must say i kind of like the fact Lance had a really good weekend in Brazil. Especially with the vultures out here crying.
It’s also very tiring seeing the bitter neck beard basement dwellers mentioning his daddy’s billions and blah blah blah. Those lot must have really sad and miserable existences.
Should get rid of Perez, Zhou and Sargeant then huh? They’re paid drivers and we have got to enjoy Verstappen completely expose the charade of Checo.
I was pissed about Lance driving with broken wrists because I was sure we'd see my countryman Felipe Drugovich get some F1 action. But knowing Lawrence, they pushed Lance back exactly to avoid comparisons between him and Drugo.
I’ve been trying to shrug off the quarters loss for two weeks, and then I got a chance to distract myself with another passion in F1. Only for Josh to burn Ireland worse than Alonso’s seat burned his ass. Thanks for that Josh 😂
Nepotism is never really a good thing to hear or see. But I get it. Daddy invested money into a F1 team, so Daddy gets to have a large say of who drives. Lance did come up the regular route with F2 and F3, so he does have experience and talent. However his talents cannot match those of say Max or in this case an aging Alonso. Lance has horrible post-race interviews, just hurts the brand....which then turns the spotlight on Lawrence. Who in my opinion doesn't care about having two winning cars. He just cares if the brand wins. Effectively Lance's seat is a joke, but Lawrence has to see the writing on the wall. The son is hurting his brand, which in turn hurts the wallet and much more. Business over family? Sure, but it's got to be done gracefully, because I sense Lance has a lot of insecurities
You need to apologize to Lance
And Lance needs to apologize to Ricciardo. 😆
Alonso is arguably one of the best drivers in F1 history, if not the best. He's still at his peak and would destroy half the grid the same way he does with Stroll. People keeps underestimating Alonso over and over because he only has two WDC.
I think it's just speaks to how truly talented Alonso is, when he's a 2 time champion and is top 10 in wins all time, and yet we feel like he could have achieved some much more in his career
Sure there have been fisticuffs in the pitlane in the past and I'm glad that, for the most part, the sport seems to have grown out of that phase and drivers maybe have their egos in check a bit better these days.
But what Lance did wasn't driver on driver it was employer on employee, billionaire overlord on underling and that, for me, is a whole other level of sinister! Where does Lance's relationship with his trainer even go from there?
Wait, maybe it happens a lot off camera though - thought it was odd that a certain other driver's trainer left in such a hurry...
Employer... Billionaire... I wasnt aware it was Lawrence that pushed him, I thought it was Lance.
As for where their relationship goes: from every single F1 professional i've ever heard talk about Lance, he seems to be very well regarded as a very nice bloke - so i'd imagine their relationship goes back to normal. It was simply a push in a heated moment after all.
He has ridden the wave of Formula Netflix but fact of the matter is money talks. Always has and always will, the amount of cars will just be reduced to increase the cost of the seats. The days of Fabi brothers sharing a ride is over, it's about silent marketing. People still think Logan Sargeant isn't a pay driver but look at the billions of dollars his family has...