Horus' inspiration is from Mark Antony hence why he has roman and Egyptian influences and rebels against the imperium, whilst Robutte Guillman is inspired from Octavian Ceasar as why he was chosen to succeed the emporer and take charge of the imperium
Lorgar being depicted as white in official GW art has always been odd to me since he was supposed to be the most physically similar to the Emperor, making him bronze/tan skinned
Before Turks arrived in Anatolia the population there looked more like ancient Greeks or people from the Balkans. Probably that's not even the case, because the emperor is way older than all those civilizations.
@@bloodangel19 I think thats because everyone on his homeworld is tan ... due to the fact that its like 70% sahara desert with days that last like 69 hours.
*Me, a Scot, waiting for my Celtic Primarch:* _The Lion is Anglo-Saxon_ "Okay, would have said Celtic with the King Arthur vibes but alright..." _Rogal has a Celtic last name_ "Yeah?" _Rogal's homeworld is cold and miserable_ "C'mon!" _Rogal is known for building forts_ "HE'S THE ONE!" _Rogal must be German_ *"WHAT!?"* ... _Mortarion is clearly Scottish because he comes from a swampy hellhole_ "...I'll take it."
"Rogal's homeworld is cold and miserable "C'mon!" Rogal is known for building forts "HE'S THE ONE!" Rogal must be German "WHAT!?"" Eh, not all parts of Germany are that cold and miserable. In the lander bordering Alsace-Lorraine, the climate is actually good enough to make so greatly appreciated wines.
@@shandaniel2999 he’s right though. Here in Aus the police are introducing drones on beaches to enforce mask wearing and social distancing, on monday the unvaxxed will not be allowed to enter shops unless flashing their nazi double vax papers, and soon QR codes will be linked to our vax status on phones when we check in or risk a $1000 fine. I want to leave this country.
The early Raven Guard art concepts drew from Irish culture and tradition, drawing upon the corvid theme from one of the shapeshifting animal forms of the Morrigan, the Irish goddess of war. Since then, crows and other corvid birds were considered good luck and victory in times of war, so I could probably see Corax, and by extension the Raven Guard/successors, speak in an Irish accent.
this makes sense. i think GW have been pretty fluid with their fluff and shifted things around over the years. the modern raven guard definitly have a classical persian vibe about them, perhaps even veering toward central asian. it does seem that many of the heretics seem to have their fluff based more on southern classical powers vs the loyalist north. i mean horus is a literal egyptian god.
@@themilkman993 True enough, I thought Leman might have a smidge of Scot in him because of the relations between Scotland and the Vikings but I never put much weight in that theory.
Dorn is Norman. The Normans were the castle builders, conquered Wales and built so many castles it now has more castles per square mile than anywhere on earth. Plus like you said, Dorn is Welsh for fist.
I'm of the opinion that many of the primarks are ascended demon princes based on an actual historical figure the Khan being the ironclad proof. So that said is dorne Edward the first / 3 or Edward the 3rd / 5th
What I was expecting: A lot more race jokes and dark humor. What I got: A pretty good exploration of there names and certain ways the primarchs act and actually trying to find very specific races. Damn Major Kill, you are good
@@SymbioteMullet very true lol. Arch would have unironically gone off on racist tangents and then when he gets called out he'd cry wolf/its just a joke bro.
Americans here will claim corvus he appears to have finally grown out of his emo phase and is absolutely clapping cheeks in the warp and seems to be the only primarch to have done so that we know of in the last 10k years. Go demon bird batman.
It even mirrors our father situation. "Imma step out for a bit and get some smokes." "Imma step out for a bit and kill my traitor brother." The sons: "Ok daddy. Love you, bye."
Hey major kill, have you ever thought about asking any of the many great artists that you know to draw an australian themed primarch? As a non canon character replacement for one of the missing primarchs, if you do I think it be a great video to discuss his origin story, his relationship with his brothers and the big E and what he would have done in the Horus Heresy
5:38 "The fact that one is due to a functioning and healthy society, and the other due to sheer terror, is completely irrelevant." Where in the lore Nostramo is a functioning and healthy society?
(Edit: Read the responses to me in this comment chain, as some Romanians have popped up to tell us how it is. You should in general prefer what people say about their society rather than Google or news, as media is very skewed nowadays which is why I ended my statement here originally with "Maybe I'm wrong and some Romanian can correct me".) No but seriously Majorkill, Romania had a horrible dictatorship with some of the worst secret police terror in the Eastern Block (although those countries were kind of treating it like a competition of who can be worse so it's not saying much) and then when they got rid of Communism their police force and bureaucracy pretty much was inherited from the dictatorship which leads to record rates of police brutality there even to this day... The last time I heard of Romania, it was something about how cop brutality at protests was shocking because they beat civilians for no reason, how some person was beaten brutally in custody by multiple officers while basically being helpless and how someone else got shot dead mysteriously while being arrested. Maybe I'm wrong and some Romanian can correct me, but I really don't get the impression Romania has a lack of law enforcement by terror.
@@majorkill Maybe Croatian google is racist against Romanians because the first thing I get when I search for Romania is how some EU organization condemns their police brutality xd
Before '89, yeah, it had been pretty much Nostramo around here. Nowadays (well, before 2020 anyway) it's not anywhere near as bad. That whole cop brutality at protests was exagerated (I mean, compared to what you see in other Eastern block countries, you could call it mild). Crime rates vary wildly based on region, city and even neighbourhood. Overall, could be better, could be worse. But one thing I can say for certain is that a functioning and healthy society Romania is not.
The Teutonic Knight thing makes perfect sense for the Black Templars being his sons. Given that his homeworld is a giant ball of pure arctic named Inwit, I always saw his adoptive family looking like Inuit indigenous people in arctic Canada.
The reason I support the primsrchs adapting to the planets look to fit in, is because vulkan. Jet black obsidian skin is well, not natural and lore states the jet black comes from the planets mineral and vulcanic exposure. Magnus being red, easy, the warp and his affinity for it changed his skin to reflect the warp, which time is subjective in, he could have spent a lot of baby time there. I like to think of the primarchs all looking like DnD changelings before they landed.
If I remember correctly, Fulgrim was just a mass of light until the people on his planet found him and he changed to look like them, just more beautiful.
I've seen Corvus Corax live on stage. They're delightfully mental. Kind of iron age folk with a medieval death metal aesthetic. They also perform as a jazz band.
Actually a LOT of ancient romans where blonde and with blue eyes. So Roboute is 100% Roman. Also there is nothing French about the Ultramarines. Source: I'm Italian 🇮🇹
I mean you guys have blue in your flag :p Edit : either this dude changed his comment or I was drunk when i responded. Edit2 : my uncle is Italian so I can safely say that french people love the colour blue
@Majorkill no we don't xD also here's the reason about the color blue: "Italian sports teams play in blue shirts rather than the colours of their national flag in a custom dating back to the country's pre-republican days. Blue was the official colour of the Royal House of Savoy and this tribute to the Italian monarchy survives today."
Are people not aware of the fact that Northern Italy is pretty much Switzerland? Of course there were and are tons of blonde and blue-eyed Italians. P.s That's why Northern Italian food is way better than Southern Italian food!
Dorn is also the german word for thorn, which is also the name of an old city (Thorn or Torun) in eastern prussia, where the teutonic knights reign. So winner winner on that.
Angron being based on Spartacus could make him Thracian, which would make him South Eastern European, not Roman. Maybe Horus is Sicilian, those guys are a whole mix too due to the many nations that occupied the island, plus we all know Horus was a mob boss, so that fits too.
I mean Horus does look pretty Italian in most of his art, especially the third pic of him without armor and with his sword on the wiki, looks like Joe Rogan lol
I have to say that based solely on his appearance, Sanguinius seems inspired of neo-classical portrayals of Vercingetorix, the Gallic French opponent of Caesar. The long flowing golden hair and fair skin is kind of a giveaway, as well as the portrayal of “‘nobility.”
I enjoyed this video, but Guilliman is probably based more off a Roman/Athenian hybrid than a Roman/French one. This covers his obsession with laws, culture, the colour blue, colonising and the use of the ultra symbol which is Greek.
@@padrelupus Considering that the French renaissance as much as any renaissance was inspired by classical Greek and Roman (which was in turn heavily inspired by the classical Greek culture) cultures, art and architecture, we can see why many European cultures have many similarities and roots with classical Greece. But that doesn't mean that they originated from that European country. We can trace other similarities as well, as the Governing style is very similar to that of many Greek city states (the 500 worlds can be seen as 500 cities) and also the relation between the Space Marines and the common people, the 13th keep their history and memories from before becoming Space Marines, while others would wipe everything out.
After a quick Google search, it seems to to me that Sanguinius has more of a Baroque inspiration, than a reinessence one, this can be seen in the fact that reinessance art is more focused on man; instead baroque art is more focused on religious themes, such as God and Angels; which are very present in the Blood ANGELS' iconography. This does not mean much except that Sangunius has more of an influence born in Rome (the city in which the Baroque was mostra prelevant), than one originating in Florence (the city in where the reneissance was most prelevant)
Well, it was said in one book (don’t recall witch one) that Sanguinius had an Italian accent/spoke with one for a bit so that might actually make a lot of sense regarding the blood angels part.
Just think about Dante, Mephiston and over name like that and we could say that Sanguinius was clearly Italian ( during the Renaissance ) Also the arts and sculptures that BA mades...
@@laithsaleem580 good point lol, I always figured he was American from somewhere polluted and in the midwest like Ohio but India by way of UK is a good fit
@@doomguy9049 the US has some of the highest standards for preventing pollution in the world. Lmao and Ohio is boring as fuck but it's not that dirty. I think if you're looking for polluted Midwest you may want to aim at Detroit.
I think the fact that the pyramids of Prospero more resembled Egyptian pyramids (relatively smooth limestone pyramids that come to a point), as well as other common Egyptian motifs (hieroglyphs, scarabs, the gold and blue color combo, some of the Thousand Son's helmets resembling a nemes, etc.) firmly places their inspiration in Ancient Egypt. It has a splash of Aztec with the name of the capital, Tizca
2:32 the ancient nation of Phoenicia comes to mind, especially given the “Phoenician” references; Phoenicia’s name is also derived from that kingdom’s most popular export to Greece, _purple_ dye. Edit: I didn’t get to his explanation before I paused to type this
I think we can attribute the architecture of the Ultra boys to the fact that Roman held territory in Gaul, which comprises modern day France, Belgium and Luxembourg. So Robby being blonde and having a lot of Roman influence isn't that far fetched.
@@Agrargorn Because Ultramar is possible a reference to Hadrian's Wall, amplified to fit the extreme scale of WH40k. Macragge sounds a _lot_ like it could be a Scottish Gaelic name. The Roman Empire's northernmost extreme territory dipped a few miles into what we recognize as the territory of the Gaelic peoples and the Picts, the respective ancestors of modern Scots and Irishmen, who intermingled when they weren't trying to beat the snot out of each other; this boundary was fortified with Hadrian's Wall, and the territory north of it was considered the frontier, too wild and rebellious for "civilization" to survive, mostly because the "civilized" Roman Legions kept getting bodied by great hordes of "barbarians" who swarmed from the hills and highlands--armed with primitive weapons and _huge_ balls, and little else--to tear them to bits. In effect, Hadrian's Wall was the furthest extent that the Gaels felt like letting the Romans expand, ruthlessly punishing every subsequent effort to surpass that limit. In a way, Ultramar--the capital world of which is Macragge--is like the Hadrian's Wall of the Imperium of Man. Beyond the borders of Ultramar is the Eastern Fringe proper, which is so far from Terra that most of it doesn't see the light of the Astronomicon; without that light, proper Human civilization is impossible, because Warp travel becomes a game of chance with rigged dice. Attempts to spread beyond that point have been slow, costly, and typically short-lived.
@@anthonylamonica8301 hey, this sounds quite reasonable. I've never looked at the idea that way, but yes, this gives the sehmentum ultima a better meaning. I guess its because if I think of the Hadrians wall, I didn't think of high cultured cities like the megalopolis on mcgragge get attributed
Me being Jewish: Well apart from the Lion, I don’t see how any of the other primarchs could be Jewish MajorKill: Lorgar is most likely Jewish Me being Jewish: No, that’s not true, that’s impossible Lorgar appearing out of no where: Search your feeling you know it be true Me still being Jewish: Nooooooooooooooo!!!! In all seriousness, that might be the saddest and most fun thing to happen. Lorgar is without a doubt one of the worst primarchs
@@jewishcrusader2817 Same brother, shit is not good. But it seems some people are saying he is yet another white guy with bronze skin, and not just some Jewish guy. I would rather have no "Jewish" primarchs, than having Lorgar being "Jewish".
I honestly don't think it matters, considering that all the gene pools for humans greatly varied from centuries of nuclear warfare and space exploration and colonization. A Cadian is genetically different than a Catachan and so on. The emperor probably had a gene vault to help make his Primarchs and the planets that they were raised in caused more mutations in them.
It seems to me that when it comes to Vulkan and the Salamanders, people can't really get past the color of his skin to understand the cultural and ethnic influences for that character. Every time I read something about him, I am reminded of the Greek/Roman god Hephaestus/Vulcan due to the huge focus as a legion on crafting war gear and their obsession with fire. I also look at the Promethean Cult as another huge indicator of their connection with Greek mythology. Prometheus was one of mankind's greatest benefactors who gave them fire which had been kept from them by the gods up to that point. This is another very strong reason for their love of fire. Additionally, when a Captain dies, he is chained to a block of ceramite, just like Prometheus, and is then lowered into volcanic rock for more fire symbolism. Finally, Prometheus' love for humans also seems to have translated over with the Salamanders going way out of their way to protect humans every chance they get. I am sure there are more aspects to Vulkan and the Salamanders but it seems to me that this is another example of how heavily influenced GW was by Greek and Roman mythology and history.
Its obvious that GW was inspired by a lot of ancient mythology, but it is also obvious they changed many things up. There is no definitive 1 to 1 comparison between a primarch and a character from our history. My headcanon is that Vulkan actually has african genetics but also a charcoal black skin, with his sons just inheriting the skin tone but not his african "looks" (at least not 100%) - GW showed black Ultra Marines on a book cover and in one of the HH books, Jagathai was criticised for recruiting mainly people with asian features (for the legion´s cultural reasons or something like that), so yeah.
Magnus and the Thousand Sons are honestly my favorites for culture; post heresy they rock a blue-gold color scheme with Egyptian like Pharoah styled crowns and mantles on their helms. All of their names in the Legion itself are from and based off ancient Egypt and Persia. Ahriman, the First Captain and Chief Librarian is named after the Zoroastrian embodiment of darkness, corruption, and lies. His twin Ohrumzd is from the diety of light, truth, and goodness. Even further, many of the concepts of Prospero can be attributed to ancient Egypt and Persia as well as the Legion's obsession for knowledge to better themselves as is the message of Zoroastrianism. The Thousand Sons being the most psyker based and gifted Astartes is also likely a homage to Zoroastrians being called Magi and sorcerors by others.
So Fulgrim is Carthaginian. He's the Phoenician get it. He represents the concept of orientalism particularly in 20th century British literature decadence excess wealth
Rogal Dorn also has a strong German background in his behavior. He is direct and sometimes even blunt (while not being intentionally offensive) a trait people often see in Germans. I agree on most of the assessments.
@@Briselance I mean. Non of the primarchs are 1 to 1 copies of one people but dogal Dorn really shows some very prominent preconceptions people have about German people. Problems with sarcasm, lack of humor, perfectionism when it comes to fortificationsnand building in general, being direct to an extent that it's perceived as being blunt and unfriendly. Respected but not loved.
I would argue that Guilleman is meant to be a stand-in for Caesar Augustus as they both have blonde hair, and took over running the empire after their adoptive fathers were killed. Both are known for their administrative skills and the UM are obviously inspired by the romans as you said.
Rogal Dorns personality and the engineering Fists are so german. Also they have german names and a prussian codex by the old Terra. And the Black Templar are also german.
Makes sense that Lorgar is middle-eastern. I think it says in the lore that Lorgar looked the most like the Emperor out of all his sons, and the Emperor is said to have been born in ancient Anatolia (modern day Turkey) so that adds up
@Dan Ollerenshaw Except, Turks have nothing to do with Anatolia until waaaay later, as one gentlemen stated in his comment. So, nope, neither Emps nor Lorgars are Turks.
@@stefanblagojevic8616 they aren't greeks either, greeks got their in 8th Century BC, after Emperor who was Neolithic by the only lore that puts him there.
Saying that Vulcan is sub saharan black because his skin is charred black is kinda iffy. He looks like all other of his sons, a white dude who was photoshopped to look grey/black with red eyes.
I'll have to agree on majorkill about it be weird of gw to not make the primarch with the darkest skin black. Can you imagine the pr disaster that would happen if gw just comes out and say. Yeah vulcan is not black black his charcoal black for lols, we have no black primarchs.
We know vulkan has red eyes because of the planet he landed on, so if his eyes are red because of the planet that also must mean his skin is black because of the planet. So if you use any amount of common sense you would know vulkan is only black because of the planet he landed on.
Rogal Dorn is obviously German. His second name literally means 'Thorn' in German, his sons have a lot German names and though Sigismund's Templars are called Templars, their colors are of the Teutonic order. Also... Raven Guard practices the so called 'Bird funeral' which is also practised by some prairie North American natives. Their nature of stealth scouts would also indicate towards your stereotypical portrayal of those guys.
Cthonia is london, a grim, grey dark and forgotten place filled with the dregs of society furiosuly stabbing each other over the last remaining scraps of ket.
Actually I think there is an argument to be made for the Lion to be Teutonic Order. They had a culture of secrecy and a secret police and their structure is kind of similar to that of the Order from Caliban.
You are officially my favorite content creator! Your humor is amazing, the content itself is amazing, great storytelling ability, great lore, everything is awesome! Cant wait to get some Majorkill Merch!
@@ranfan1820 Partially right. We are called direct and pragmatic. Engineering not so much, it's mostly because of our waterworks. Then again, Germany is mostly known for it's engineering because of cars and WW2 technological advances over it's enemies. Either way, Dorn is not funny and has no sense of humour, so I agree that he's more German. Personally I'd say Austrian/Swiss though.
There are some references to black knights, very rare and may be mostly mythical. Moorish Knights is what you'd search and Moriaen would be one from Arthurian legend. St. Morris is one that is actually historical. Its quite clear Blood Angels are Italians. The blood represents Pizza Sauce. I wonder if the "Gorgon" is actually a reference to the Iron Bull (Bronze?) in DnD which like took inspiration from which has a Lybian Bull or "Gorgon" (Actually catoblepas). Likely that title is derived from a number of fictional resources. To me Ferrus has a lot of "Clockwork" inspiration. Alphairus could be linked to the Hashashin in Persia
From a romanian, saying Romania is and a heaty and functioning society is a strech but also comparing it internationally yeah it's not that bad how it's put out in media but some changes would be beneficial, I do agree that Curze is giving me old Vlad Drăculea Țepeș vibes and since Konrad is one of my fav primarchs I'll take that 🇷🇴
I always disliked Curze and his legion, partly because of the memes but mostly because, in the books, they really were depicted as nothing but scum. Recently i finished the Soul Hunter trilogy and i cant help but sympathise with the poor guy and his legion, which just fell apart as soon as nobody was in charge.
No one shits on Romania more than the actual Romanians. It's quite pathetic how little pride these people put in their own people and country. It's probably only Brits who get close to that kind of dislike for their own heritage, I've have never seen a Brit who wasn't agreeing with foreigners shitting on his country.
We know vulkan has red eyes because of the planet he landed on, so if his eyes are red because of the planet that also must mean his skin is black because of the planet. So if you use any amount of common sense you would know vulkan is only black because of the planet he landed on.
His artistic depictions look 'Sub-Saharan' not that artist interpretations means a whole lot. Culturally there is some Greek influence (like almost every Primarch it seems). Mediterranean is a good bet for most of the primarchs really.
Apparently a plastic surgeon in Australia said MajorKill showed up in his office asking if he could get metal port implants on his body because he wanted to look like a Space Marine out of armor. Apparently he kept non-stop repeating that he thought it would make him look "edgy" but that he didn't want the ports to be to big and look "cringy." When the plastic surgeon said he couldn't do it, Majorkill kept saying he could pay double because he was famous on TH-cam. Majorkill apparently wouldn't shut up so the surgeon faked a call to the operating room so he could leave.
Iron hands should be the "barbarian" germans who were mostly hunter gatherers and raiders. Very focused on strength. For the diff between them and the celtic gauls, rome kicked the shit out of gaul but was pretty scared of the germans. Great vid as always though
yeah our boy bo is what happens when ya give DaVinci ( who was also forced to make weapons of war against his will so no wonder pert likes him) superpowers and remove any sense of empathy he might have cuz the joy of creation is lost to him.
Just a quick sidenote, I think lorgar would be a good "candidate" for being phoenician in origin, that still gives him Northern African decent but explains his affinity for characters and symbols, as we adopted the phoenician alphabet. It would also explain his general lack of violence himself as the phoenicians tended to "mercenary" fight their battles rather than recruit their own. Other than that I agree with most of your decision
I would argue that the Imperial Fists are inspired by the Holy Roman Empire (Germany). One of the few empires to use yellow as the primary colour in their flag, are known for building castles, have no humour, and are obviously Saxon. Not to mention, the Holy Roman Empire gave birth to the Teutonic Order which is obviously where the Black Templars take most of their influence.
Ah, ethnicity in 40K. I still remember being called an ignorant racist for arguing that the black Ultramarine in the cover of Avenging Son was perfectly in-line with the rest of the lore and not just some woke plot to score easy browny points
Albia is Albania. Britain is old Albion / Hy Brasil The dark angels are the ones that most resemble Teutonic Knights, and Dorn is more Prussian, although, saying that all their skill at sieges could actually suggest French heritage
Also dorn is Norman possibly Gustaf Adolphus the whole ice King thing but much more likely either Bohemond of the first crusade, or possibly William giscard his daddy certainly a Norman Castle building strategically acute conqueror. And GW has a strongly anglocentric bias in their readings of history so there is the possibility that he's not Beaumont at all but in fact Edward probably the third or just possibly Henry II either way definitely a Norman
In all fairness, the kahn landed among the tribes people of the steppe, and Fulgrim may well have landed among the people later conquered by the Kahn, as for chemos the home planet of Fulgrim, yeah I have no idea how the kahn would have fit in
I've always imagined The Lion to be associated with the legend of King Arthur; space King Arthur, slumbering for 10,000 years, awaiting the day of return when he is most needed. So, I feel that he is a Post-Roman Celtic Briton, rather than an Anglo-Saxon.,
If you want a good analogy between Konrad Curze and Vlad the Impaler look up the story of the Golden Cup. It's said that Vlad would leave a golden chalice next to the town's drinking water source and anyone could use it as they pleased, but nobody dare steal it.
When space marine legions became a thing in early years of 40k. The Salamanders where an all Black legion(with a reduced mental capacity). Yeah I was around for 40k Rogue Trader. GW Back then did our a lot of racists shit. Look up “Piggnies” too m8. Then as books where coming out, having a Black space marine on a front cover was seen as problematic. Hence now the Salamanders are white dudes in Black-face….
Phoenician roughly meant "The purple folk" and they were named after the precious purple pigment that they made and exported all over the ancient world.
7:24 I actually like this second theory more. It’s very primarchy. Having the warp gods mutate their appearance to help them fit just doesn’t feel right. Maybe it was by the emperor’s design because the scattering was actually planned? Either way, maggy could just be red because he a mutant freak due to being extra nerdy.
also what about the whole planet swap laughing god thing. someone else was suppose to land on Mongolia planet. so the khan looks like he fits in, but he almost didnt? i think the best solution here is that the primarchs do indeed adapt to their surroundings super fast, and maybe that causes them to rapidly evolve an ethnicity close the that of the natives convergently, and then when they meet people they probably change more as they go through primarch puberty to look more like their society. this is a brilliant and perfect design if you knew the primarchs would be scattered, and of course we have many hints that seem to indicated the big e did have some idea something like this might happen.
"Vulkan actually looks like a black guy" Uhhhh lol not in any of the artwork I've seen of him... he does look like a standard bald white guy photoshopped with gray-black skin. The nose is too thin, the brows are too subdued... lips are too thin. Maybe in more modern illustrations they made him look more like a black guy but definitely not in the picture you used for this video lol. By the way, does anyone else see gw's attempt at brand naming knockoff mythology for the irony that it is?
this comment is old but ill reply anyway yea this is very stereotypical like the other guy said you cant define africans by such small distinctions black people are way too diverse many people break the norms youre describing
Corvus is Irish. The raven influence is taking from morrigan a Celtic war goddess who is associated with ravens. Legion specialises in guerilla warfare like the Irish in the war of independence. And lastly he's really feicing pale just like the Irish.
I've noticed that a lot of the World Eaters have a Slavic accent, and while we know that none of the World Eaters were Nucerian, I wonder if (much like the Terran born Artellus Numeon of the Salamanders being voiced with a West African accent) Angron is supposed to be Slavic too. He's clearly meant to be like a slave during the Roman empire, and many of the slaves were either Slavs, Goths or Gauls, and I don't get the sense of Goth or Gaul from him. Another thing... Spartacus was a Thracian, so classical-era equivalent of someone from the Balkans. Angron makes a lot of sense as some kind of Serb or Albanian.
That's very good point, Balkanians are hot-blooded Slavs. And I think Majorkill could dive more deep into history, he use absolutely no aspect of Slavian/Sarmatian culture what I see very often in western civilisation that they have no clue about Aryans and Slavs. Also another thing is that Aryans are basically all proto Slavic (Sarmatian) people, blue eyes and blonde hair is geen which is originated purely from western Siberia. Leman Russ basically means Leman of Rus- Rus is land of people of Rus which are today Russians.. Also Siberian geen is why Alexander the Great has blue eyes, and many of his soldiers too, they are from Macedonia and others parts of sarmatia and they don't have much in common with Greeks, ethnically and culturally they are closer to Persians.
i personally agree with both theories on how the primarchs landed on their planets, i think that at least Vulkan did adapt to have the pitch black skin and bright red eyes
Leman Russ could also be of East-European descent. His last name "Russ" is similar to the word "Rus" which was used to refer to Slaws, especially the one in modern-day Ukraine and Russia. And this region was conquered by the Vikings (who were then assimilated).
Absolutely agree, and also thing is that blond hair and blue eyes are geen originated from western Ural, what is land where Moscovians, people of mother Rus originated.
T minus 1 hour until drunk stream commences, maybe the Big E have mercy on my liver.
Chug some rum bro
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"Only in Death Does Duty End"
Please do lore on Eldar exodites and corsairs.
Started work an hour ago. East coast, USA. I'm gonna have to work hard to catch up later.
11:55 Missed the opportunity to say “finally we have Alpharius, who’s ethnicity is obviously Omegon”
But Omegon is Alpharius
@@Mathewsbrooks that sentence holds more truth than many would see
@@aureliusrex7827 and yet it is still a lie
@@tarinoblake381 thus is it proven to be truth, for the lies of the Hydra are not to be trusted as such
Lol
Horus' inspiration is from Mark Antony hence why he has roman and Egyptian influences and rebels against the imperium, whilst Robutte Guillman is inspired from Octavian Ceasar as why he was chosen to succeed the emporer and take charge of the imperium
Well spotted !
@@beroning plus it's a huge give away since Mark Antony's legion is the 13th
"Et tu brute?"
How fitting, the right hand of the emperor.
@@FrankStallone42 i cry evry tim
Lorgar being depicted as white in official GW art has always been odd to me since he was supposed to be the most physically similar to the Emperor, making him bronze/tan skinned
Before Turks arrived in Anatolia the population there looked more like ancient Greeks or people from the Balkans. Probably that's not even the case, because the emperor is way older than all those civilizations.
Well and his art work looks nothing like the Emperor. They kinda need to reconcile that particular bit of lore.
@@xmaster232242 everybody describes him as tan
@@bloodangel19 I think thats because everyone on his homeworld is tan ... due to the fact that its like 70% sahara desert with days that last like 69 hours.
@@MrFallenone i was talking about the emperor
"Sanguineous is Italian. But his home is an irradiated wasteland." So....New Jersey?
Funny enough, i thought the same thing
I knew I saw him on Sopranos.
Hahahah
@Gort _ tell that to Adeptus Ridiculous.
More like Arizona and Dubai desert mixed
*Me, a Scot, waiting for my Celtic Primarch:*
_The Lion is Anglo-Saxon_
"Okay, would have said Celtic with the King Arthur vibes but alright..."
_Rogal has a Celtic last name_
"Yeah?"
_Rogal's homeworld is cold and miserable_
"C'mon!"
_Rogal is known for building forts_
"HE'S THE ONE!"
_Rogal must be German_
*"WHAT!?"*
...
_Mortarion is clearly Scottish because he comes from a swampy hellhole_
"...I'll take it."
In my head cannon he is welsh celtic. Haveing his name translate to rogals first just makes to much sense not to be
Rogal is welsh/briton, Mortarian scottish/pict and The Lion Anglo-saxon
Cuz you Scots are s known for you indestructible defences right?
Dorn is a german word.
"Rogal's homeworld is cold and miserable
"C'mon!"
Rogal is known for building forts
"HE'S THE ONE!"
Rogal must be German
"WHAT!?""
Eh, not all parts of Germany are that cold and miserable. In the lander bordering Alsace-Lorraine, the climate is actually good enough to make so greatly appreciated wines.
Conrad Curze is obviously Australian judging by his law enforcement strategy.
its Konrad which is important because he got his name after the author of Heart of Darkness Joseph Conrad whose actual name was Konrad
Dude stop, Australia already had to deal with enough bushfires.
@@shandaniel2999 he’s right though. Here in Aus the police are introducing drones on beaches to enforce mask wearing and social distancing, on monday the unvaxxed will not be allowed to enter shops unless flashing their nazi double vax papers, and soon QR codes will be linked to our vax status on phones when we check in or risk a $1000 fine. I want to leave this country.
I thought a shot first and shot to kill mentally would make him more American.
Being a cop and killing a ton of people is as American as apple pie
Ethnicity of each primarch?
Is test tube an ethnicity?
Good one
Me was a tube! A tube in mount fookin Everest!
@@maskedgymnast mom Everest
@@alexandrebirk1948 (grabs The golden banana) lets just forget this ever happened (walks away)
The Pyrex People of the Region of Glass.
The early Raven Guard art concepts drew from Irish culture and tradition, drawing upon the corvid theme from one of the shapeshifting animal forms of the Morrigan, the Irish goddess of war. Since then, crows and other corvid birds were considered good luck and victory in times of war, so I could probably see Corax, and by extension the Raven Guard/successors, speak in an Irish accent.
Vikings lived ravens to, odin had one but I agree with you
this makes sense. i think GW have been pretty fluid with their fluff and shifted things around over the years. the modern raven guard definitly have a classical persian vibe about them, perhaps even veering toward central asian. it does seem that many of the heretics seem to have their fluff based more on southern classical powers vs the loyalist north. i mean horus is a literal egyptian god.
@@scottmacleay7018 2 huginn and munnin
Sounds a lot better than a German guy who found Native American culture cool. Although that apparently also happens.
Raven Guard are Space Iroquois though
Perturabo was Russian because of his love of artillery, massive casualties, and teamkilling.
Probably more fair to call him soviet lol. Pretty sure most Russians weren't a fan of the one step back policy...
@@FrankStallone42 From my personal expirience, they like pretend it didn't existed.
Yea, they wasn't big fans of it
@@komiks42 actually we are
Can also be prussian
@@asylumking3642 I would also say prussian.
It’s actually understandable that the genetics could be so diverse, considering that the emperor is like a couple thousand people combined.
There is an amazing art of Perty with his sister where he has a full set of gorgeous black hair and full beard, like a greek king, awesome depiction.
That sounds badass
I need that art in my life...
Gotta link to that?
Fulgrim screams Ancient Athens and Ferrus Ancient Sparta, they even were best friends turned rivals.
Fulgrim look is from lebenon ferrus looks like bedwin arabs
@@laithsaleem580 No more lore for you Abdul.
@@Primus_Phallus haha my name is laith noone is named abdul it is only in squid game.
@@laithsaleem580 Lol wrong lots of people have the name Abdul where I'm from.
Him and his Legion kind of got the Theban Band thing going on, imho.
Out of all the Primarch's, Morty had to be the Scottish one. smh
I always figured Ferrus was because of the whole clan thing
@@themilkman993 True enough, I thought Leman might have a smidge of Scot in him because of the relations between Scotland and the Vikings but I never put much weight in that theory.
it does explain his hatred for the sons of his that came from old albion if you take old albion to being the more brittish end of the uk
I don’t care if hes canonically Scottish or not, I’m saying he’s a deep southern USA guy because that would be hilarious.
Mortarion is pretty badass I don't think it would be shameful to have him as part of your people
Dorn is Norman. The Normans were the castle builders, conquered Wales and built so many castles it now has more castles per square mile than anywhere on earth. Plus like you said, Dorn is Welsh for fist.
I'm of the opinion that many of the primarks are ascended demon princes based on an actual historical figure the Khan being the ironclad proof. So that said is dorne Edward the first / 3 or Edward the 3rd / 5th
In my opinion cigarsman is the black prince
Nice.
Dorn is close to fist in Welsh but its dwrn, dorn if fist in Irish. But cool thinking though!
Prussian
What I was expecting: A lot more race jokes and dark humor.
What I got: A pretty good exploration of there names and certain ways the primarchs act and actually trying to find very specific races.
Damn Major Kill, you are good
I thought I would have to roll my eyes at jokes being more racist than joke but I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the video loads!
I know... I am extremely disappointed as well... I guess he did not want to risk being called WAAAAAYTHISSSSTT 🙄
Come on guys... he's not Arch.
@@SymbioteMullet very true lol. Arch would have unironically gone off on racist tangents and then when he gets called out he'd cry wolf/its just a joke bro.
@@callumfinlayson-palmer8393 when mk does it, its fine though because “its just a prank bro” come on dude
Americans here will claim corvus he appears to have finally grown out of his emo phase and is absolutely clapping cheeks in the warp and seems to be the only primarch to have done so that we know of in the last 10k years. Go demon bird batman.
It even mirrors our father situation.
"Imma step out for a bit and get some smokes."
"Imma step out for a bit and kill my traitor brother."
The sons: "Ok daddy. Love you, bye."
Corvus is American because his mining colony is what the US wishes to be in the future
@@codycurtin2295 by that logic he would be Chinese. Try actually learning some shit about the world.
@@enginepy cry about it america lover.
@@codycurtin2295 Problem is that he didn't invade Nocturne for the Promethium. Not very American.
There only 2 Ethnicity in WH40K : "Heretic" or " Could be Heretic"
The proper term is "Heretic in waiting"
Nar ya git, its Green or Git
There is a 3rd option the Alpharius ethnic group
Hey major kill, have you ever thought about asking any of the many great artists that you know to draw an australian themed primarch? As a non canon character replacement for one of the missing primarchs, if you do I think it be a great video to discuss his origin story, his relationship with his brothers and the big E and what he would have done in the Horus Heresy
Ahh, the fabled Aussie primarch: Crocodillion Dundumas. His chosen weapon is clearly the largest combat knife you have ever seen!
They scream crikey as they charge
@@sadlerbw9 he must ride a crocodile
Would you, by any chance, be interested in researching the one and only *Sly Marbo?*
Catachan Primarch? Hell yeah
5:38 "The fact that one is due to a functioning and healthy society, and the other due to sheer terror, is completely irrelevant."
Where in the lore Nostramo is a functioning and healthy society?
(Edit: Read the responses to me in this comment chain, as some Romanians have popped up to tell us how it is. You should in general prefer what people say about their society rather than Google or news, as media is very skewed nowadays which is why I ended my statement here originally with "Maybe I'm wrong and some Romanian can correct me".)
No but seriously Majorkill, Romania had a horrible dictatorship with some of the worst secret police terror in the Eastern Block (although those countries were kind of treating it like a competition of who can be worse so it's not saying much) and then when they got rid of Communism their police force and bureaucracy pretty much was inherited from the dictatorship which leads to record rates of police brutality there even to this day...
The last time I heard of Romania, it was something about how cop brutality at protests was shocking because they beat civilians for no reason, how some person was beaten brutally in custody by multiple officers while basically being helpless and how someone else got shot dead mysteriously while being arrested. Maybe I'm wrong and some Romanian can correct me, but I really don't get the impression Romania has a lack of law enforcement by terror.
@@BunkerSlav Welp then Google lied to me
@@majorkill Maybe Croatian google is racist against Romanians because the first thing I get when I search for Romania is how some EU organization condemns their police brutality xd
Before '89, yeah, it had been pretty much Nostramo around here.
Nowadays (well, before 2020 anyway) it's not anywhere near as bad. That whole cop brutality at protests was exagerated (I mean, compared to what you see in other Eastern block countries, you could call it mild).
Crime rates vary wildly based on region, city and even neighbourhood. Overall, could be better, could be worse.
But one thing I can say for certain is that a functioning and healthy society Romania is not.
And the whole vlad tepes thing
The Teutonic Knight thing makes perfect sense for the Black Templars being his sons.
Given that his homeworld is a giant ball of pure arctic named Inwit, I always saw his adoptive family looking like Inuit indigenous people in arctic Canada.
The reason I support the primsrchs adapting to the planets look to fit in, is because vulkan. Jet black obsidian skin is well, not natural and lore states the jet black comes from the planets mineral and vulcanic exposure. Magnus being red, easy, the warp and his affinity for it changed his skin to reflect the warp, which time is subjective in, he could have spent a lot of baby time there. I like to think of the primarchs all looking like DnD changelings before they landed.
This.
If I remember correctly, Fulgrim was just a mass of light until the people on his planet found him and he changed to look like them, just more beautiful.
I think this one hits the nail on the head. Too bad MajorKill is to out of it to sticky this comment.
I agree. That would even explain why Sanguinius has wings, because the people of Baal were mostly mutants
I thought it was the high radiation that caused the jet black?
I've seen Corvus Corax live on stage. They're delightfully mental. Kind of iron age folk with a medieval death metal aesthetic.
They also perform as a jazz band.
For a second I thought of a 12 foot emo man singing on stage
Then I remembered Major mentioned they were also a band
@@cyantile5490 nope, just huge crazy german men covered in feathers.
So basically the same.
@@cyantile5490 Roided up Peter Steele.
Actually a LOT of ancient romans where blonde and with blue eyes. So Roboute is 100% Roman. Also there is nothing French about the Ultramarines. Source: I'm Italian 🇮🇹
I mean you guys have blue in your flag :p
Edit : either this dude changed his comment or I was drunk when i responded.
Edit2 : my uncle is Italian so I can safely say that french people love the colour blue
Lots of modern day Italians are blonde and blue eyed as well.
@Majorkill no we don't xD also here's the reason about the color blue: "Italian sports teams play in blue shirts rather than the colours of their national flag in a custom dating back to the country's pre-republican days. Blue was the official colour of the Royal House of Savoy and this tribute to the Italian monarchy survives today."
Sorry pizza boi, roboute is our boi 🇫🇷
Are people not aware of the fact that Northern Italy is pretty much Switzerland? Of course there were and are tons of blonde and blue-eyed Italians. P.s That's why Northern Italian food is way better than Southern Italian food!
Dorn is also the german word for thorn, which is also the name of an old city (Thorn or Torun) in eastern prussia, where the teutonic knights reign. So winner winner on that.
8:05 Guilliman is modelled after Caesar Augustus who’s widely accepted to have been a pale skinned blond.
Can't be Augustus, the G man will fight his own battles. Lol
@@somethinglikethat2176 So, Cezar?
@@somethinglikethat2176 Augustus did lead his own armies though.
Everyone knows Caesar was black
@@MajinOthinus He was a decent General, but Agrippa did the heavy lifting for him as for actually winning the battles.
Angron being based on Spartacus could make him Thracian, which would make him South Eastern European, not Roman.
Maybe Horus is Sicilian, those guys are a whole mix too due to the many nations that occupied the island, plus we all know Horus was a mob boss, so that fits too.
Now i imagine Horus with sicilian accent, bitchslapping everyone around him.
I mean Horus does look pretty Italian in most of his art, especially the third pic of him without armor and with his sword on the wiki, looks like Joe Rogan lol
@@AutumnWind92 cthonian accent is perhaps sicilian
>Romania
>functioning and healthy society
These aren't the 70s Majorkill.
>Romania
>Ever being a functional society
Choose one
@@riograndedosulball248
Well it was under Ceausescu
Huh, really, functional, under Ceausescu... If you stretch the meaning of "functional"
@@myballsgetlikt1313 Have you ever spoken to a Romanian who lived during that time?
I have. Didnt sound functional to me
Seen australia recently? ..........yeahhhhhhhh
I have to say that based solely on his appearance, Sanguinius seems inspired of neo-classical portrayals of Vercingetorix, the Gallic French opponent of Caesar. The long flowing golden hair and fair skin is kind of a giveaway, as well as the portrayal of “‘nobility.”
but his name is as latin inspired as it gets
I enjoyed this video, but Guilliman is probably based more off a Roman/Athenian hybrid than a Roman/French one. This covers his obsession with laws, culture, the colour blue, colonising and the use of the ultra symbol which is Greek.
The crusader states in France were called utrama, ultramar ultramar get it
Colonising the symbol? What the fuck are you talking about?
@@padrelupus Considering that the French renaissance as much as any renaissance was inspired by classical Greek and Roman (which was in turn heavily inspired by the classical Greek culture) cultures, art and architecture, we can see why many European cultures have many similarities and roots with classical Greece. But that doesn't mean that they originated from that European country. We can trace other similarities as well, as the Governing style is very similar to that of many Greek city states (the 500 worlds can be seen as 500 cities) and also the relation between the Space Marines and the common people, the 13th keep their history and memories from before becoming Space Marines, while others would wipe everything out.
PS1: For me the Black Templars have a much more French feeling
PS2: Sorry for any syntax/grammar etc
He’s space Napoleon and it’s painfully obvious
Rogal Dorn is probably American, since he’s the kind of guy who takes his work laptop with him on vacation to keep pace with work
While cranking it between memos
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
I'm thinking more in the line of the former Holy Roman Empire, so basically Germanic
@@akaSnockis technically germanic is the largest ethnic group in the US . so he can be american and germanic
I'm thinking that Lion is the more American
After a quick Google search, it seems to to me that Sanguinius has more of a Baroque inspiration, than a reinessence one, this can be seen in the fact that reinessance art is more focused on man; instead baroque art is more focused on religious themes, such as God and Angels; which are very present in the Blood ANGELS' iconography.
This does not mean much except that Sangunius has more of an influence born in Rome (the city in which the Baroque was mostra prelevant), than one originating in Florence (the city in where the reneissance was most prelevant)
Anyway, sanguinius is clearly italian. The blood lust in the gene seed is the due to the first pineapple placed on pizza
@@gabrielematera5595 WHY DID YOU PUT THE PINEAPPLE ON THE PIZZA'S HORUS!?
Well, it was said in one book (don’t recall witch one) that Sanguinius had an Italian accent/spoke with one for a bit so that might actually make a lot of sense regarding the blood angels part.
Just think about Dante, Mephiston and over name like that and we could say that Sanguinius was clearly Italian ( during the Renaissance )
Also the arts and sculptures that BA mades...
Late Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque Italy in all its Catholic glory.
Everyone forgets about dorns native American influences. My man is from an ice planet called inewit and the fists love to scrimshaw bones
Well spotted
he is a mix of everything
his name is a polish word
Way more Finnish vibes to me than First Nations people.
But his guards are called Huscarls which is a straight Germanic reference as well.
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 not to mention a lot of the champions and named characters all have germanic names ie Sigismund
Horus is clearly Carthaginian, and Mortarion, with all the pollution of his homeworld and a near skeletal physique, has to be Indian.
Yeah india is part of the UK so checks out
@@laithsaleem580 good point lol, I always figured he was American from somewhere polluted and in the midwest like Ohio but India by way of UK is a good fit
@@laithsaleem580 You got it backwards, mate. UK is a part of India now.
@@doomguy9049 that would be awesome if GW based him on somewhere so specific like Ohio.
@@doomguy9049 the US has some of the highest standards for preventing pollution in the world. Lmao and Ohio is boring as fuck but it's not that dirty. I think if you're looking for polluted Midwest you may want to aim at Detroit.
But Majorkill every Primarch descends from Emperor that makes all of them Greeks!
Didn't He come from Anatolia? That makes them Turks..
The Turks weren't in Anatolia by the time the Emperor was born, at that time Anatolia was inhabited by the Hittites
So that makes the Big E a Hittite
T*rks, you mean.
@@iibugii9353 ur right, he might even be cleopatras grand grand daddy ;)
Shut up Jimmy
I thought that Magnus might be more Aztec inspired with a mix of Egyptian. Both had pyramids.
I think the fact that the pyramids of Prospero more resembled Egyptian pyramids (relatively smooth limestone pyramids that come to a point), as well as other common Egyptian motifs (hieroglyphs, scarabs, the gold and blue color combo, some of the Thousand Son's helmets resembling a nemes, etc.) firmly places their inspiration in Ancient Egypt. It has a splash of Aztec with the name of the capital, Tizca
2:32 the ancient nation of Phoenicia comes to mind, especially given the “Phoenician” references; Phoenicia’s name is also derived from that kingdom’s most popular export to Greece, _purple_ dye.
Edit: I didn’t get to his explanation before I paused to type this
I think we can attribute the architecture of the Ultra boys to the fact that Roman held territory in Gaul, which comprises modern day France, Belgium and Luxembourg. So Robby being blonde and having a lot of Roman influence isn't that far fetched.
but why call a roman/gaul influenced Planet McCragge?
@@Agrargorn because GW, consistency is a foreign concept to them.
@@Agrargorn Because Ultramar is possible a reference to Hadrian's Wall, amplified to fit the extreme scale of WH40k.
Macragge sounds a _lot_ like it could be a Scottish Gaelic name. The Roman Empire's northernmost extreme territory dipped a few miles into what we recognize as the territory of the Gaelic peoples and the Picts, the respective ancestors of modern Scots and Irishmen, who intermingled when they weren't trying to beat the snot out of each other; this boundary was fortified with Hadrian's Wall, and the territory north of it was considered the frontier, too wild and rebellious for "civilization" to survive, mostly because the "civilized" Roman Legions kept getting bodied by great hordes of "barbarians" who swarmed from the hills and highlands--armed with primitive weapons and _huge_ balls, and little else--to tear them to bits. In effect, Hadrian's Wall was the furthest extent that the Gaels felt like letting the Romans expand, ruthlessly punishing every subsequent effort to surpass that limit.
In a way, Ultramar--the capital world of which is Macragge--is like the Hadrian's Wall of the Imperium of Man. Beyond the borders of Ultramar is the Eastern Fringe proper, which is so far from Terra that most of it doesn't see the light of the Astronomicon; without that light, proper Human civilization is impossible, because Warp travel becomes a game of chance with rigged dice. Attempts to spread beyond that point have been slow, costly, and typically short-lived.
@@anthonylamonica8301 hey, this sounds quite reasonable. I've never looked at the idea that way, but yes, this gives the sehmentum ultima a better meaning. I guess its because if I think of the Hadrians wall, I didn't think of high cultured cities like the megalopolis on mcgragge get attributed
Me being Jewish: Well apart from the Lion, I don’t see how any of the other primarchs could be Jewish
MajorKill: Lorgar is most likely Jewish
Me being Jewish: No, that’s not true, that’s impossible
Lorgar appearing out of no where: Search your feeling you know it be true
Me still being Jewish: Nooooooooooooooo!!!!
In all seriousness, that might be the saddest and most fun thing to happen. Lorgar is without a doubt one of the worst primarchs
I am having the same issue, and I want to fucking die.
@@jewishcrusader2817 Same brother, shit is not good. But it seems some people are saying he is yet another white guy with bronze skin, and not just some Jewish guy. I would rather have no "Jewish" primarchs, than having Lorgar being "Jewish".
@@sheogorath7915 I kinda get what you mean, but not really. Could you explain it a bit more?
Mortarion is based on Moses so if it's any consolation you can have two primarchs
@@sheogorath7915 So he's Jesus?
I honestly don't think it matters, considering that all the gene pools for humans greatly varied from centuries of nuclear warfare and space exploration and colonization. A Cadian is genetically different than a Catachan and so on. The emperor probably had a gene vault to help make his Primarchs and the planets that they were raised in caused more mutations in them.
The gene pool might vary, maybe not that much. But the land remains.
HawkBoy is and angel. Then ... he is from heaven. "and dont talk shits about our glorious HawkBoy. He died for us. Be greatfull!!!"
It seems to me that when it comes to Vulkan and the Salamanders, people can't really get past the color of his skin to understand the cultural and ethnic influences for that character. Every time I read something about him, I am reminded of the Greek/Roman god Hephaestus/Vulcan due to the huge focus as a legion on crafting war gear and their obsession with fire.
I also look at the Promethean Cult as another huge indicator of their connection with Greek mythology. Prometheus was one of mankind's greatest benefactors who gave them fire which had been kept from them by the gods up to that point. This is another very strong reason for their love of fire. Additionally, when a Captain dies, he is chained to a block of ceramite, just like Prometheus, and is then lowered into volcanic rock for more fire symbolism. Finally, Prometheus' love for humans also seems to have translated over with the Salamanders going way out of their way to protect humans every chance they get.
I am sure there are more aspects to Vulkan and the Salamanders but it seems to me that this is another example of how heavily influenced GW was by Greek and Roman mythology and history.
Yes, but TTS thaught us all, that Vulkan clearly is of Jamaican origin
Its obvious that GW was inspired by a lot of ancient mythology, but it is also obvious they changed many things up. There is no definitive 1 to 1 comparison between a primarch and a character from our history.
My headcanon is that Vulkan actually has african genetics but also a charcoal black skin, with his sons just inheriting the skin tone but not his african "looks" (at least not 100%) - GW showed black Ultra Marines on a book cover and in one of the HH books, Jagathai was criticised for recruiting mainly people with asian features (for the legion´s cultural reasons or something like that), so yeah.
@@vavra222 weird. When I read the HH books the Khan was criticized for recruiting from pretty much any planet they passed by.
@@gallowglass3764 Hey, maybe i dont remember it correctly, it has been some time since i read the HH series.
@@vavra222 there are a lot of HH books. 😁
Loving the daily uploads, will definitely try and catch that stream.
Magnus and the Thousand Sons are honestly my favorites for culture; post heresy they rock a blue-gold color scheme with Egyptian like Pharoah styled crowns and mantles on their helms. All of their names in the Legion itself are from and based off ancient Egypt and Persia. Ahriman, the First Captain and Chief Librarian is named after the Zoroastrian embodiment of darkness, corruption, and lies. His twin Ohrumzd is from the diety of light, truth, and goodness. Even further, many of the concepts of Prospero can be attributed to ancient Egypt and Persia as well as the Legion's obsession for knowledge to better themselves as is the message of Zoroastrianism. The Thousand Sons being the most psyker based and gifted Astartes is also likely a homage to Zoroastrians being called Magi and sorcerors by others.
As a asian i tend to like the culture closest to mine so ofc jaghati is my favorite but so is all the middle eastern primarchs
So Fulgrim is Carthaginian. He's the Phoenician get it. He represents the concept of orientalism particularly in 20th century British literature decadence excess wealth
Isn't the Emperor Anatolian or smthing
So i guess that means all the Primarchs are Anatolian
Rogal Dorn also has a strong German background in his behavior.
He is direct and sometimes even blunt (while not being intentionally offensive) a trait people often see in Germans.
I agree on most of the assessments.
Is it true that Germans struggle with sarcasm?
Though dorn means fist in Gaelic (or is it in Welsh?).
@@Briselance I mean. Non of the primarchs are 1 to 1 copies of one people but dogal Dorn really shows some very prominent preconceptions people have about German people.
Problems with sarcasm, lack of humor, perfectionism when it comes to fortificationsnand building in general, being direct to an extent that it's perceived as being blunt and unfriendly. Respected but not loved.
@@Briselance Dorn in German means thorn. Also very fitting. He is the thorn in guillimans side...
I would argue that Guilleman is meant to be a stand-in for Caesar Augustus as they both have blonde hair, and took over running the empire after their adoptive fathers were killed. Both are known for their administrative skills and the UM are obviously inspired by the romans as you said.
THEY ARE ALL ENGLISH! One of the lost Primarchs was Welsh, just to tick boxes.
Proud to have our Alpharian heritage properly represented in this universe
Rogal Dorns personality and the engineering Fists are so german. Also they have german names and a prussian codex by the old Terra. And the Black Templar are also german.
Makes sense that Lorgar is middle-eastern. I think it says in the lore that Lorgar looked the most like the Emperor out of all his sons, and the Emperor is said to have been born in ancient Anatolia (modern day Turkey) so that adds up
Only problem being ... ancient Anatolia was populated by Greeks. Up until like 5th century.
@Dan Ollerenshaw Except, Turks have nothing to do with Anatolia until waaaay later, as one gentlemen stated in his comment. So, nope, neither Emps nor Lorgars are Turks.
@@stefanblagojevic8616 they aren't greeks either, greeks got their in 8th Century BC, after Emperor who was Neolithic by the only lore that puts him there.
@@stefanblagojevic8616 replied to wrong person my b, meant Andrej
@@CM-os7ie No worries =) Take care.
Most gladiators were not Roman. They were of Thrice, Gaul, and other states that Rome conquered and took warrior slaves from to be gladiators
Sanguinius is clearly Spanish, loves gold, conquer and get rekt by the most absurd things
Yeah and Sangre is spanish for blood
@@Reggaepoika112 yes it is
He doesn't look at all Spanish. Lionel on the other hand, the Knights of Santiago, etc
@@petergusev999 How doesn't he look spanish? xD
@@villenmillenion7986 Pale skinned blond? He looks like a Spanish renaissance artist's depiction of an Angel, not like a Spanish person.
-orchestrated biggest betrayal of humanity in the lore
-Hebrew
damn dude, no pulling punches huh?
Saying that Vulcan is sub saharan black because his skin is charred black is kinda iffy. He looks like all other of his sons, a white dude who was photoshopped to look grey/black with red eyes.
I mean, there´s already an Asian guy while every other primarch seem to be white. I don´t have a problem with Vulkan being black black.
I'll have to agree on majorkill about it be weird of gw to not make the primarch with the darkest skin black. Can you imagine the pr disaster that would happen if gw just comes out and say. Yeah vulcan is not black black his charcoal black for lols, we have no black primarchs.
We know vulkan has red eyes because of the planet he landed on, so if his eyes are red because of the planet that also must mean his skin is black because of the planet. So if you use any amount of common sense you would know vulkan is only black because of the planet he landed on.
@@unitedeagle4046 but he clearly has african features dude the he is actually black black you can tell just by looking at him
I mean
Ethiopians are dark, very dark, but have """white""" traces, so who knows. Vulkan -lives- may be Ethiopian
Dorn is literally the irish word for fist, so you may be onto something with Rogals celtic connection
Rogal Dorn is obviously German. His second name literally means 'Thorn' in German, his sons have a lot German names and though Sigismund's Templars are called Templars, their colors are of the Teutonic order.
Also... Raven Guard practices the so called 'Bird funeral' which is also practised by some prairie North American natives. Their nature of stealth scouts would also indicate towards your stereotypical portrayal of those guys.
Cthonia is london, a grim, grey dark and forgotten place filled with the dregs of society furiosuly stabbing each other over the last remaining scraps of ket.
Actually I think there is an argument to be made for the Lion to be Teutonic Order. They had a culture of secrecy and a secret police and their structure is kind of similar to that of the Order from Caliban.
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Rogal: Direct, pragmatic, and has a love for engineering. That kinda makes him more Dutch tho than german.
Uhhh no? Pretty sure that's a german thing not a dutch thing.
He has no sense of humour so he is probably german :D
@@ranfan1820 Partially right. We are called direct and pragmatic. Engineering not so much, it's mostly because of our waterworks. Then again, Germany is mostly known for it's engineering because of cars and WW2 technological advances over it's enemies.
Either way, Dorn is not funny and has no sense of humour, so I agree that he's more German. Personally I'd say Austrian/Swiss though.
Arch is punching the air rn screaming
There are some references to black knights, very rare and may be mostly mythical.
Moorish Knights is what you'd search and Moriaen would be one from Arthurian legend. St. Morris is one that is actually historical.
Its quite clear Blood Angels are Italians. The blood represents Pizza Sauce.
I wonder if the "Gorgon" is actually a reference to the Iron Bull (Bronze?) in DnD which like took inspiration from which has a Lybian Bull or "Gorgon" (Actually catoblepas). Likely that title is derived from a number of fictional resources. To me Ferrus has a lot of "Clockwork" inspiration.
Alphairus could be linked to the Hashashin in Persia
Guilliman is just a walking 850 credit score
From a romanian, saying Romania is and a heaty and functioning society is a strech but also comparing it internationally yeah it's not that bad how it's put out in media but some changes would be beneficial, I do agree that Curze is giving me old Vlad Drăculea Țepeș vibes and since Konrad is one of my fav primarchs I'll take that
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I think, that none country have "healty and functioning society"
I always disliked Curze and his legion, partly because of the memes but mostly because, in the books, they really were depicted as nothing but scum.
Recently i finished the Soul Hunter trilogy and i cant help but sympathise with the poor guy and his legion, which just fell apart as soon as nobody was in charge.
No one shits on Romania more than the actual Romanians. It's quite pathetic how little pride these people put in their own people and country. It's probably only Brits who get close to that kind of dislike for their own heritage, I've have never seen a Brit who wasn't agreeing with foreigners shitting on his country.
@@sygmarvexarion7891 you never saw germans witj their hatred for their heritage
Our favorite Banana Boy Loretuber is wearing his official civilian uniform attire.
We know vulkan has red eyes because of the planet he landed on, so if his eyes are red because of the planet that also must mean his skin is black because of the planet. So if you use any amount of common sense you would know vulkan is only black because of the planet he landed on.
But let's be real everyone can't remove the Jamaican Vulkan from TTS from the mind
His artistic depictions look 'Sub-Saharan' not that artist interpretations means a whole lot. Culturally there is some Greek influence (like almost every Primarch it seems). Mediterranean is a good bet for most of the primarchs really.
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Hawt.
The more Majorkill makes these kinds of videos, the more subconsciously I humanize the Primarchs
Lorgar has the Greek alphabet in his armour. I can see θ , Δ, Π , Λ , Φ , but then again half of these guys have Greek symbols in their armour.
If he emulated Spartacus he is Bulgarian and The Teutonic Knights were the Black Templars
Exactly !
Bulgarians did not live in what is today Bulgaria during the lifetime of Spartacus. Thracians did.
Iron hands should be the "barbarian" germans who were mostly hunter gatherers and raiders. Very focused on strength. For the diff between them and the celtic gauls, rome kicked the shit out of gaul but was pretty scared of the germans. Great vid as always though
"Perturabo's love of siege and conquering"
Perturabo: NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME!!!!
yeah our boy bo is what happens when ya give DaVinci ( who was also forced to make weapons of war against his will so no wonder pert likes him) superpowers and remove any sense of empathy he might have cuz the joy of creation is lost to him.
Just a quick sidenote, I think lorgar would be a good "candidate" for being phoenician in origin, that still gives him Northern African decent but explains his affinity for characters and symbols, as we adopted the phoenician alphabet. It would also explain his general lack of violence himself as the phoenicians tended to "mercenary" fight their battles rather than recruit their own. Other than that I agree with most of your decision
The best joke in the video is MK finding a Ms.
I would argue that the Imperial Fists are inspired by the Holy Roman Empire (Germany). One of the few empires to use yellow as the primary colour in their flag, are known for building castles, have no humour, and are obviously Saxon. Not to mention, the Holy Roman Empire gave birth to the Teutonic Order which is obviously where the Black Templars take most of their influence.
Ah, ethnicity in 40K. I still remember being called an ignorant racist for arguing that the black Ultramarine in the cover of Avenging Son was perfectly in-line with the rest of the lore and not just some woke plot to score easy browny points
Albia is Albania. Britain is old Albion / Hy Brasil
The dark angels are the ones that most resemble Teutonic Knights, and Dorn is more Prussian, although, saying that all their skill at sieges could actually suggest French heritage
Also dorn is Norman possibly Gustaf Adolphus the whole ice King thing but much more likely either Bohemond of the first crusade, or possibly William giscard his daddy certainly a Norman Castle building strategically acute conqueror. And GW has a strongly anglocentric bias in their readings of history so there is the possibility that he's not Beaumont at all but in fact Edward probably the third or just possibly Henry II either way definitely a Norman
Hy Brasil is just Brazil
Louden Haga no it's not, it's a mythical island said to exist off of the western coast of Ireland
@@Coproquim and in 40k Hy Brasil is a hive city in Brazil
Louden Haga no it's not, in 30k there is a hive city in a place called hy brasil, but it's never stated that it's anywhere near Merika
"I'm not just a pretty face, ay?"
Oh noooo, nobody would have ever accused you of that, Majorkill!
Hey Majorkill, didn't Cegorach swap the planets that Fulgrim and Jhagatai would land on?
How would this effect what they were meant to be?
In all fairness, the kahn landed among the tribes people of the steppe, and Fulgrim may well have landed among the people later conquered by the Kahn, as for chemos the home planet of Fulgrim, yeah I have no idea how the kahn would have fit in
2:13 Rest in piece Steve. We miss you.
I've always imagined The Lion to be associated with the legend of King Arthur; space King Arthur, slumbering for 10,000 years, awaiting the day of return when he is most needed. So, I feel that he is a Post-Roman Celtic Briton, rather than an Anglo-Saxon.,
Sounds like Barbarossa
If you want a good analogy between Konrad Curze and Vlad the Impaler look up the story of the Golden Cup. It's said that Vlad would leave a golden chalice next to the town's drinking water source and anyone could use it as they pleased, but nobody dare steal it.
Honestly the salamanders having "onyx" skin has always seemed like a cop-out for gw to have an all black legion but also not piss of people like arch
When space marine legions became a thing in early years of 40k. The Salamanders where an all Black legion(with a reduced mental capacity). Yeah I was around for 40k Rogue Trader. GW Back then did our a lot of racists shit. Look up “Piggnies” too m8. Then as books where coming out, having a Black space marine on a front cover was seen as problematic. Hence now the Salamanders are white dudes in Black-face….
Phoenician roughly meant "The purple folk" and they were named after the precious purple pigment that they made and exported all over the ancient world.
Rogal Dorn is German because he doesn't have a sense of humor
“Perterabo” is also a corruption of the Greek word for a catapult. Very subtle on GW’s part.
Doesn’t it also reference ‘Perdurabo’, which was Aleister Crowley’s name in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn?
7:24 I actually like this second theory more. It’s very primarchy. Having the warp gods mutate their appearance to help them fit just doesn’t feel right. Maybe it was by the emperor’s design because the scattering was actually planned? Either way, maggy could just be red because he a mutant freak due to being extra nerdy.
also what about the whole planet swap laughing god thing. someone else was suppose to land on Mongolia planet. so the khan looks like he fits in, but he almost didnt? i think the best solution here is that the primarchs do indeed adapt to their surroundings super fast, and maybe that causes them to rapidly evolve an ethnicity close the that of the natives convergently, and then when they meet people they probably change more as they go through primarch puberty to look more like their society. this is a brilliant and perfect design if you knew the primarchs would be scattered, and of course we have many hints that seem to indicated the big e did have some idea something like this might happen.
Spartacus was a thracian slave btw which is today's Bulgaria. So angron could be that too.
"Vulkan actually looks like a black guy"
Uhhhh lol not in any of the artwork I've seen of him... he does look like a standard bald white guy photoshopped with gray-black skin. The nose is too thin, the brows are too subdued... lips are too thin. Maybe in more modern illustrations they made him look more like a black guy but definitely not in the picture you used for this video lol.
By the way, does anyone else see gw's attempt at brand naming knockoff mythology for the irony that it is?
That sounds incredibly stereotypical.
this comment is old but ill reply anyway yea this is very stereotypical like the other guy said you cant define africans by such small distinctions black people are way too diverse many people break the norms youre describing
Corvus is Irish.
The raven influence is taking from morrigan a Celtic war goddess who is associated with ravens.
Legion specialises in guerilla warfare like the Irish in the war of independence.
And lastly he's really feicing pale just like the Irish.
I've noticed that a lot of the World Eaters have a Slavic accent, and while we know that none of the World Eaters were Nucerian, I wonder if (much like the Terran born Artellus Numeon of the Salamanders being voiced with a West African accent) Angron is supposed to be Slavic too. He's clearly meant to be like a slave during the Roman empire, and many of the slaves were either Slavs, Goths or Gauls, and I don't get the sense of Goth or Gaul from him.
Another thing... Spartacus was a Thracian, so classical-era equivalent of someone from the Balkans. Angron makes a lot of sense as some kind of Serb or Albanian.
That's very good point, Balkanians are hot-blooded Slavs. And I think Majorkill could dive more deep into history, he use absolutely no aspect of Slavian/Sarmatian culture what I see very often in western civilisation that they have no clue about Aryans and Slavs. Also another thing is that Aryans are basically all proto Slavic (Sarmatian) people, blue eyes and blonde hair is geen which is originated purely from western Siberia. Leman Russ basically means Leman of Rus- Rus is land of people of Rus which are today Russians.. Also Siberian geen is why Alexander the Great has blue eyes, and many of his soldiers too, they are from Macedonia and others parts of sarmatia and they don't have much in common with Greeks, ethnically and culturally they are closer to Persians.
i personally agree with both theories on how the primarchs landed on their planets, i think that at least Vulkan did adapt to have the pitch black skin and bright red eyes
Leman Russ could also be of East-European descent. His last name "Russ" is similar to the word "Rus" which was used to refer to Slaws, especially the one in modern-day Ukraine and Russia. And this region was conquered by the Vikings (who were then assimilated).
Absolutely agree, and also thing is that blond hair and blue eyes are geen originated from western Ural, what is land where Moscovians, people of mother Rus originated.
Thanks for giving us Corax, Majorkill.
Mate primarch 11 is clearly a kiwi. The emperor was cool with 2 and 11 both having so many sheep about, seemed sus.
As a Romanian you just made my day by making Conrad Kurze one of us.
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I've always taken Corvus Corax to be native American at least based on his looks.
same
He doesn't look Native American at all, wym?