I have been using the harbor, freight, knife, edge, roller, balancing tool for a motorcycle wheels. I also use those stick on weights. About 10 years ago I bought 10 pounds of stick on weights made of lead. Because they eliminated lead weights do you to federal Law because they estimated that approximately 5000 tons of lead ends up in the gutter and getting into our water supply. into streams and lakes and rivers, and reservoirs, and into peoples well water eventually, so they eliminated lead weights for balancing tires When I buy tires for my wife’s car or for my pick up at a tire store, I always refuse the balance, because I have an old atlas bubble balancer that I bought from a service station that went to a spin balancer, and I also bought their manual coats tire machine.. when I was a kid back in the 60s, working after school and weekends at the local gas station/service station, I was quite handy at changing tires, changing tires over from winter to summer tires and then swapping off those studded snow tires for summer tires again in April. Then I would balance the tires on one of those bubble balancers that has a spindle that floats in a pool of 90 weight gear lube. You may think that that is Stone Age and could not be accurate, you are not correct if you think that because they still balance, airplane propellers and helicopter rotors with bubble balancers. Bubbles don’t lie… The reason I use my bubble balancer to balance new tires when I buy them is, I have checked the balance jobs. They do where they spin balance, my new tires, I have yet to find one that was well done. One tire store manager told me that they balance tires to the Gram.. I told him, unless you are cleaning that wheel perfectly, the first time I pick up a tiny tiny piece of stone in the Sipes of the tire, there goes the ground, also, when the whiskers on the tire wear off, there goes the ground. So I balance my tires on my vehicles after I wear off the whiskers., And I clean the wheels and the rims with soapy car, wash soap, not dishwashing liquid, because regular dishwashing, liquids and detergents, and even face soap and shampoo have lye in them. that is the ingredient that makes soap feel slimy/slippery. But the problem with LYE is, it is like putting acid on aluminum. It is very corrosive to aluminum. So do you want to make sure that they are using rubber lube, when installing new tires on your aluminum wheels, because that will be trapped between. The wheel and the bead, corroding the rim, and eventually developing air leaks. My sister had an older Toyota Camry that had three wheels that leaked air around the beads of her tires, which means, someone used Soap as a lubricant with LYEN it when the tires were installed. I had to break down all four of her wheels and use that black rims sealant on her wheels to stop her from getting air three times a week in her tires.. By balancing my own wheels after I clean the wheels when I buy new tires, it also gives me a chance to torque the wheels with a torque wrench. Because those guys don’t care if they torque your wheels correctly a lot of times. And overtightened wheels on certain types of discs are the major cause of disc warp..
Interesting. But the pan in the tub is not constrained by a fixed center of rotation. Agree with your conclusion. Will continue to do dynamic balancing and correcting for RoadForce (Hunter) or Runout Force Value (SnapOn)
I have used them with big truck tires, and I agree the weights work much better. The bad thing with the beads is sometimes they get stuck in the valve stem when you check the PSI. The the stem will not seal and you have a slow leak.
bed bath tub demonstration didn’t take into consideration that a car tire cannot go into elliptical orbit at the axle. That whole 10 in the video was able to go into elliptical rotation. But when a wheel is attached to the spindle or the axle, it can’t do that. So the demonstration does not apply.
I am just about to watch this video. I like to think I am a logical person, I don’t think there is any way you could convince me that something that is moving constantly inside a tire could possibly maintain balance. I think when people say they work fine, it’s a case of saving face. They don’t wanna look like an idiot for falling for that gimmick. There’s another consideration, what about air pressure sensors getting blasted by those things constantly on every rotation, probably resulting in those beads pulverizing into a dust.. Think about it, if anything, those bitch would probably have a greater tendency to collect in the heaviest part of the tire, taking it further out of balance.. Maybe they do work, but I just cannot imagine them working
actually the bead never come into contact with the tpms as it is located on the rim and the beads fly around the tire perimeter. As I stated I would not normally recommend beads weight are much more effective and not affected by impurities in the tire interior
I have been using the harbor, freight, knife, edge, roller, balancing tool for a motorcycle wheels. I also use those stick on weights. About 10 years ago I bought 10 pounds of stick on weights made of lead. Because they eliminated lead weights do you to federal Law because they estimated that approximately 5000 tons of lead ends up in the gutter and getting into our water supply. into streams and lakes and rivers, and reservoirs, and into peoples well water eventually, so they eliminated lead weights for balancing tires
When I buy tires for my wife’s car or for my pick up at a tire store, I always refuse the balance, because I have an old atlas bubble balancer that I bought from a service station that went to a spin balancer, and I also bought their manual coats tire machine.. when I was a kid back in the 60s, working after school and weekends at the local gas station/service station, I was quite handy at changing tires, changing tires over from winter to summer tires and then swapping off those studded snow tires for summer tires again in April. Then I would balance the tires on one of those bubble balancers that has a spindle that floats in a pool of 90 weight gear lube. You may think that that is Stone Age and could not be accurate, you are not correct if you think that because they still balance, airplane propellers and helicopter rotors with bubble balancers. Bubbles don’t lie… The reason I use my bubble balancer to balance new tires when I buy them is, I have checked the balance jobs. They do where they spin balance, my new tires, I have yet to find one that was well done. One tire store manager told me that they balance tires to the Gram.. I told him, unless you are cleaning that wheel perfectly, the first time I pick up a tiny tiny piece of stone in the Sipes of the tire, there goes the ground, also, when the whiskers on the tire wear off, there goes the ground. So I balance my tires on my vehicles after I wear off the whiskers., And I clean the wheels and the rims with soapy car, wash soap, not dishwashing liquid, because regular dishwashing, liquids and detergents, and even face soap and shampoo have lye in them. that is the ingredient that makes soap feel slimy/slippery. But the problem with LYE is, it is like putting acid on aluminum. It is very corrosive to aluminum. So do you want to make sure that they are using rubber lube, when installing new tires on your aluminum wheels, because that will be trapped between. The wheel and the bead, corroding the rim, and eventually developing air leaks. My sister had an older Toyota Camry that had three wheels that leaked air around the beads of her tires, which means, someone used Soap as a lubricant with LYEN it when the tires were installed. I had to break down all four of her wheels and use that black rims sealant on her wheels to stop her from getting air three times a week in her tires..
By balancing my own wheels after I clean the wheels when I buy new tires, it also gives me a chance to torque the wheels with a torque wrench. Because those guys don’t care if they torque your wheels correctly a lot of times. And overtightened wheels on certain types of discs are the major cause of disc warp..
All this talk about lead. Old houses in our city have lead water pipes running from the mains into the house.
Very interesting. Nice work
Thank you! Cheers!
Also I have had certain tire sizes and wheel types that don't like beads
Interesting. But the pan in the tub is not constrained by a fixed center of rotation. Agree with your conclusion. Will continue to do dynamic balancing and correcting for RoadForce (Hunter) or Runout Force Value (SnapOn)
I have used them with big truck tires, and I agree the weights work much better. The bad thing with the beads is sometimes they get stuck in the valve stem when you check the PSI. The the stem will not seal and you have a slow leak.
The ones I got came with their own valve stem inserts for that very reason.
And there is a water accumulation problem in ceramic beads
Some times thay work . But say someone puts a plug is the tire if fucks right off . That stick and make a total imbalance
bed bath tub demonstration didn’t take into consideration that a car tire cannot go into elliptical orbit at the axle. That whole 10 in the video was able to go into elliptical rotation. But when a wheel is attached to the spindle or the axle, it can’t do that. So the demonstration does not apply.
actually the vibrations you feel with an unbalanced is in fact the axle is moving
I don't use them anymore do to customer complaints of vibration Turing out to be the beads
No don't use beads . Tires will self balance if there not to far off
I am just about to watch this video. I like to think I am a logical person, I don’t think there is any way you could convince me that something that is moving constantly inside a tire could possibly maintain balance. I think when people say they work fine, it’s a case of saving face. They don’t wanna look like an idiot for falling for that gimmick.
There’s another consideration, what about air pressure sensors getting blasted by those things constantly on every rotation, probably resulting in those beads pulverizing into a dust..
Think about it, if anything, those bitch would probably have a greater tendency to collect in the heaviest part of the tire, taking it further out of balance..
Maybe they do work, but I just cannot imagine them working
actually the bead never come into contact with the tpms as it is located on the rim and the beads fly around the tire perimeter. As I stated I would not normally recommend beads weight are much more effective and not affected by impurities in the tire interior