A conversation with Paul Ryan (ex - Cradle of Filth)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.พ. 2023
- In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Paul Ryan, the founding guitarist of Cradle of Filth. Paul was there from the band's earliest days, from the demos to their revolutionary first album, The Principle of Evil Made Flesh. It's been a long time coming, but it's finally great to chat with Paul and gain his insights into many aspects of the band's formative era. He's a tremendous bloke, and the years of anticipation for this meeting have definitely paid off. It was well worth the wait, and I hope you enjoy the chat as much as I did.
Check out what Paul has been up to since he left Cradle of Filth here:
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I am so glad that Paul mentioned Stuart, it's a rare thing to see a musician show appreciation to their replacement. Great guy, I gotta check out his bands!
Thank you for this! This is the first interview I've ever seen or heard with Paul Ryan (as well as your Ben Ryan interview). I've always loved the Ryan brothers' work (a long within Paul Allender) in early Cradle and the Blood Divine.
Thank you for doing these. Huge Cradle fan, since Dusk. I've always wondered how the inner-workings of Cradle has been. Extremely interesting to me.
Another great chapter in the Chronicles of Filth!
Hope to some day see an interview with Robin. In the meantime, thank you for your efforts in sharing with us this treasure trove of knowledge.
Fingers crossed on Rob!
I also agree, be good to hear a Robin and Gian interview 🤞
100% would LOVE to hear an interview with Robin!
@@ScarsandGuitarspodcast Has there been any development in regards to the interview with Robin?
Excellent yet again, going down the Cradle rabbit hole here on your channel has been awseome.
What great interviews..
Thank you for these and good to hear from those around in the best years.
I listen to all of your interviews on Spotify and have especially enjoyed your deep dives into the golden era of Cradle of Filth. Cruelty and the Beast was the first black metal album I heard back in the day upon its release and it still holds up after all these years. I like hearing all these great details from unsung heroes. Great work!
This is an interview I've been waiting for 🤘keep up the good work Andrew...
Another excellent and very interesting interview, thank you very much for doing this.
Very interesting to hear that Dani actually contributes to the songwriting, at least in the early music. And interesting to hear that Paul Ryan is still friends with everyone from the bands at the time. He seems to be the one of the few past members to hold no bitterness from what happened back then. Seems like his experience is very different from Nick's and Stuart's. And from Paul A's too, even if he only alluded to it on social media a while back.
Yes, those early albums were truly magical, and the listener could definitely hear that something very special had been happening and caught on tape.
This is great! I loved your interview with Stuart RIP
Ah man u are a legend these COF convos have been awesome
Thank you this was another epic conversation!! Cheers to you both 🤘🍻
Nice one man, glad ya got the CoF co-founder, at long last! 😀
This guy is definetly interesting, and is on par i guess to the way i would have been making the early records, if it had been me.
(I finally managed to finish watching the whole interview...modern time sucks)
I know I don't know Paul personally, but what a nice guy he seems to be!
He seems like a genuinely decent, cool and relaxed person and comfortable in his shoes during his time in COF and after that. He's like those type of person that you can talk to about everything.
I loved hearing him talk about the early days of COF, the fact that his friendship with Dani goes back to school days, the input that everyone had in the band in writing music. It is proof that there are always at least two sides of seeing things. I mean, I'm a massive fan of what Paul A., Stuart and Nick did in COF, but tbh I thought they were a little harsh on other people's contributions to music creation, especially with Dani and Rob. I don't care about the drama behind the scenes, I only care about the music. And for me, everything they did from "The Principle..." to "Cruelty.." is perfection. In fact, to quote Paul Ryan, is (really) magical! And it was magical because it was made and played by all these people. The equation to work this way had to be with these variants, period.
Tbh, I think I only heard "The Principle.." after "Cruelty.." came out.(I'm from a small town in a small country and this was before internet, so it was not easy to know and to get new things). But I remember when I heard the record, being fascinated by the fact that this bunch of "bastards" (in the best way possible) were able to write amazing interesting extreme music right from the start! And I'm not even a metalhead!! (in the traditional form of the term)
All the elements that made me fall in love with COF were already there, but especially the songs/music! The uniqueness of each song (which I love about music and not always so easy to achieve, especially when it comes to bands), the twists in the songs that take you by surprise, the guitar riffs, the bass lines, the drumming, the voice and lyrics, the gloomy and mysterious ambient, the art work....WHAT A F@CKING BAND!
For a teenager like me back then, you can bet it was magical too... and tbh still is, as I cherish this music so much and still listen to it.
So Paul Ryan, if you ever read my comment, I think you should really be very proud of what you've done!
Thank you so much for this conversation and especially for the great music, "Satanic War Noise".
As for you, Andrew, I know I sound like a broken record playing the same thing over and over again, but thank you so much for these conversations with the members of one of my all-time favorite bands.
What a privilege you must feel to speak with all the living legends! Even more so in the relaxed way you do it. Keep up the amazing work you've been doing so far!
I know it's not Christmas yet, but as a bass player myself, the best gift you can give me is a chat with Robin!! ahah joking mate, i'm sure you're doing your best to make it happen.
Thank you so much "brother", stay strong.
I always enjoy reading your comments mate, send an email to andrew@scarsandguitars.com and I’ll send you a paperback copy of my book 🙏
BR ou PT?
Whilist this is an excellent interview of a former CoF band member, CoF being the point of focus, it leaves a few themes unexplored if you are into the context and the post-CoF creativity that ensued. Paul may have moved onto other things but before he did, he had formed a The Blood Divine who collectivelt has obviosly not made it big but to me it always seemed an interesting path as many as the 4 members, Ryan brothers, Paul Allender, Was Sargison, having all played in CoF and Darren White, Anathema's first vocalist. I believe it's Darren's low vocal you hear on Prinicple and Dani's shrieks on Awaken (neither credited). So for the sake of getting a cleared picture of the band connections and motovations that went on it'd be nice to take some extra some time with Paul and the other members to revisit after CoF what transpired there in greater detail. If you have not heard the Blood Divine, it is very much in spirit a non-black metal version of CoF, with less gimmicky misticism thown in. It could not have attained the global allure that CoF inspired, yet it is a real gem, especially their first album, with vastly rich soundscapes. Exploring the inspirations behind that project would be tremendously enlightening.
On fire these days, andrew. Seems like a cool dude. Principle and dusk original sin. I'd be proud to be on such great releases. Look forward to next in the chronicles of filth. But who is even left? Gian, Rob, Sarah, Les? Martin would be great to have on and maybe Adrian too
Thx mate. You said it, although I’m keen on Rob Magoolagan (Principle producer)
@@ScarsandGuitarspodcast That would be really interesting!
Great to hear how Ryan doesn't try to downplay anyone's contribution; especially Dani's. Cradle is and has always been a collective endeavor.
As much as the interviewer would like us to share in his belief that Dani is useless, not a musician or a songwriter, on the contrary he is in fact a brilliant songwriter. Much of what he contributed made the material so successful and drove the aesthetic behind the band. The lyrics on cruelty and the beast are some of the best of all time in my opinion. Just because you don't play an instrument doesn't mean you can't contribute to songwriting, melody, song structure and arrangement; especially as the lyricist and vocalist since you may find some new angles and direction when adding words and voice that the musicians hadn't considered in addition to making the verse flow and fit into each section.
This is true. You don't really need to know how to write music or play an instrument to actually write songs. Michael Jackson couldn't play, but wrote some of the most successful music ever.
@@laporte1625 totally. And the main part of actually being a song writer are the words themselves or the story and message and meaning behind the song otherwise is technically instrumental music and not a song.
Great interview once again, really good listen.
Principle is such a good record, and the Gate Master album is amazing too. I heard it before I realised it was Paul Ryan from COF and I was blown away when I found out.
There’s a joke in the Akercocke Deeds That Go Undone bonus DVD when *the presenter is trying to get a hold of Paul Ryan, that’s worth watching (unless you don’t like Akercocke lol)
Cool to hear there’s no bad blood between the guys in the Principle era, at least.
Wet Arse Pussy!! Creased laughing at that.
Cheers!
Yeah Akercoke, great band. Aussie Matt from Werewolves/ Shotgun Mistress played on a few albums. LOL @ Cardi B… 🤢
Yeah that’s right, yet to check out Shotgun Mistress or Werewolves properly. I need to get on that.
As an Aussie what do you make of The Berzerker?
@@thewelshbeersnob2783 if it wasn’t for Matt’s playing I’d ignore them tbh. It was the dying embers of Earache giving a shit about extreme metal
im playing the 1in12 next month ' i'll be sure to write paul ryan and ihsahn nearly were here ' on the toilet wall ha ha
Great interview! Would you also interview James McIlroy, Dave Pybus or Adrian Erlandsson?
Hey mate, I’m in touch with Jon Kennedy, James and Sara, so we’ll see what happens there. Adrian has missed three scheduled meetings 🤣 but we’re still in touch. Robin’s an enigma; God only knows if he’ll chat. Les must by now, know that I’m keen, so hopefully, that happens. As for John/Gian, that would be fascinating, but I can’t see him wanting to do it. I’d talk with Dan again, but outside the PR cycle, it’d be about the old days, as I’m not interested in what he’s up to now.
As for any other musician post-1999, only Lindsay gives me the impression she’d have valuable insight to offer. Others I have had interactions with include Richard (again), who isn’t interested and the always-overlooked Dave Hirschheimer, who also declined. The potential is there to chat with roadies, tour managers, producers such as Rob Magoolagan and especially Cacophonous honcho Neil Harding (Frater Nihil), but he’s avoided interviews.
@@ScarsandGuitarspodcast Ooh, Jon Kennedy, I'd defiinitely be very interested in hearing what he has to say about this whole era, Hecate Enthroned, the supposed fact that he taught Dani how to scream, etc. And Rob of course, one of the most mysterious members, and one I'd be the most interested to hear about. His work in Cradle, December Moon, his vanishing from the face of the earth. How the sound of the band was never the same after his departure, the very special energy he brought to the music, etc.
I got to exchange regularly with Sarah back in the day, she would sure have a lot to say, her departure from the band was inevitable though, she simply didn't want to just be considered a session singer.
As for the others, any musician post-Midian, I wouldn't see the point, really. At that point, it had already been clear that any new member would just be a hired gun in Dani and the Filths, and they haven't contributed to any legendary COF album anyways. The focus on the early days and the pre-2000 material is what is the most interesting. In my opinion anyways.
Would like to find out if anyone knows, what tracklist would that be on that lost Goetia LP? Were there supposed to be all "Total Fucking Darkness" tracks and some tracks that later appeared on the "The Principle..." or there was completely new and different stuff? Very curious what "Goetia" was actually composed of. Is at least just a tracklist of it left somewhere or how is it possible to find this thing out?
Would love for you to post the demonaz interview. i can't find it anywhere
Here ya go: open.spotify.com/episode/4LajVyZeNkLauePIZrZVav?si=bRUnfHM6QdSN1l43qY6Snw
@@ScarsandGuitarspodcast Thanks so much dude. Really happy you are doing all of these great interviews.
Bruh...
it was because of emperors political views expressed by the press at the time the 1 in 12 incident
What are their political views ?
@@BasedSaxon not what they was According to kerrang in 93
Check out the articles from that time ' they all got tarred with same brush
@@MultiMikey81 what are the opinions? Against Christianity or ...?
@@BasedSaxon well yeah typically anti Christian but that came with the territory
It was more like they all got roped in with the nsbm thing through varg and some silly statements 17yr olds make to be edgy as they believed at the time'
The 1 in 12 an anti fascist venue I've played there quite a few times '
So that collective reading what they did at that time no doubt caused fireworks as they was AFA (anti fascist action) at that time and fought with neo's
@@MultiMikey81 what's wrong with Neos? I have met several throughout the years always been nice enough.
This guy (and most other people for that matter) is trying to stay neutral and not make waves on anything. Doesn't make for much of an interview. He basically says everything is grey. I'm just like you. Bla bla bla. I did like the first Cradle of Filth album a lot, but something changed (maybe because of the guitars) and I lost interest for the most part. I think its because the vocals became ovebearing and everything started to feel more and more commercialized and gimmicky. Nymphetamine does have some killer riffs though. Everything after that sucks so bad I couldn't listen to it. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
What's he supposed to do? Act dramatic for the hell of it? Seems to me he tells it exactly how he feels about it
Hmmm… he can only tell the story he wants to share. I thought Paul gave a heap of insight into the early days
Did we listen to the same interview? Short of naming names when it came to some of the unsavoury stuff, Paul gave an amazing detailed account of the early days. Not everyone has an axe to grind.
Bro, if you want blood go to the butcher shop. There is always two sides (at least) of the story.
Also, he along half the band were the ones lefting COF for The Blood Divines, so I don't know what kind of bitterness toward COF and/or Dani you expected here. Isn't one Dave Mustaine enough?