I am a new rider (started like 2.5 years ago). I try to keep up that constant scan you talked about, because I like living. ATGATT, etc. I don't exactly expect every car to pull out in front of me or change lanes into me, but I try to be prepared for it every single time the possibility presents itself.
Thank you for sharing your journey so far. I do forget sometimes how it felt years ago to start riding. After a time, it all becomes second nature. In regards to ATGATT, it is always advised, but I'm not going to say I follow it always. My always is helmet, gloves, and boots. I guess it would boil down to trying to make people feel more comfortable on 2-wheels and working to make sure we have the next generation of riders.
Interesting...I too worry about this. I started riding at 14 and now 65. Back then we all went dirt bike racing. MX, Enduro etc Then onto the road with years of experience already under our belts. But now, in Australia, it seems to me us oldies are against the very thing we did back then. Prohibited to ride dirt bikes in so many places now. And then moving onto getting the motorcycle licence in Australia is costly and difficult with many restrictions. The government, I believe actively discourages new riders. And for us long time riders the increase of road penalties via speed cameras and hoon laws has made the road riding far less enjoyable to point where people don't. And would rather go to track days or the local drags.
Dirt bikes, ATV's, Self-made go-carts. We did all of the things when we were younger that are actively discouraged today because of noise or safety. And I do understand that it wasn't safe and honestly I rarely had any gear that would have protected me in those days but it was a different time. Getting a motorcycle license in the states is relatively easy compared to what I've heard of overseas. In Illinois it as simple as a $30 permit test which is like 15 questions and you can miss 2. Pass an you can now ride in a group with a fully licensed person or if you have a friend with a 250cc just go right out and to the parking lot test and now you can go buy any bike you want. Even as someone who has ridden most bikes I don't particularly like that very much for obvious reasons. I feel that its more safe now than its ever been. Gear is better, bikes are better but I think there needs to be a better resource for individuals that want to learn to ride but in a safe and controlled environment free of judgement and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Or maybe I'm just crazy lol. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on it. I know that none of us want to see motorcycling continue to decline.
As the previous poster said, it’s a variety of new skills for someone used to driving a car… the fear of stalling out making a left turn in traffic, the fact that the front and rear brakes need to be managed independently and completely different from a car, leaning vs counter steering are also new skills foreign to a car driver, downshifting and rev matching, dropping a bike and having to potentially pickup a 500 pound bike seems daunting to a newbie…. That said, new technologies like airbag vests and level 2 armor and riding pants make things safer for a newbie rider to gain their first 2500-3000 miles of riding… that first couple of thousand miles is where so many of the basic skills are learned and build the foundation on. I am a newbie rider, I have gone thru many of these initial riding fears and work to progress my skills!
You are right! All of the different things that are needed to make a motorcycle work can be daunting for someone thinking about riding. Even a 400lbs motorcycle can seem like a lot to someone starting out. I taught my kids how to ride on a 250, and they would just go around and around my small block for hours. Would set up cones for them to do, and we had a lot of fun with it. But that was just the basics. The first time at 60mph, all 3 told me after we stopped how fast it seemed to be and that it was a little scary. I told them yeah it is, but the more miles you do, the more you get used to it and feel more comfortable. Just got to get people to get to that point, and get more people on 2-wheels. I really appreciate getting the feedback on this from your perspective.
Absolutely! You have a very unique voice and channel in the Moto Review Tube Universe! As a related newbie rider bike choice questions, since you did 22, 23, and 24 CFMoto 300NK reviews….. would you recommend them and not be worried about quality concerns vs a used Z400, Ninja, Triumph Speed 400, All new 2024 Vitpilen 401? I like its size and the tech for a new rider, but the competition is a a few year old Kawi with Japanese reliability and residual value…. Your advice and possibly a video on this would be greatly appreciated! The 24 300NK review you did in red looks so good!
I haven't had any issues with my 450ss and I haven't been very friendly with it, to be honest. Very hard break-in and a lot of hard riding for 2400 miles. Granted, I have changed the oil 3 times, but I'm a little obsessive about maintenance. They are relatively new compared to the rest and they are going to stumble I'm sure but hopefully they will be able to do well by there customers when it comes to warranty issues that arise for customers which from what I've seen they have but time will tell. I like the price point for the 300nk for new riders. The resale value is a question when you can buy a ninja 400 or z400 and ride it for a season or 2 and then sell it for most of your money back. I guess all I can say is I really like CFMoto and personally I think they will do well and I'd buy them personally.
A lot of new potential riders do not understand why the price isn't the price. Some dealers kill ya with fees meanwhile other dealers don't charge freight or prep(even though its listed on mfg sites). I'm sorry but if one of the highest volume dealers can sell bikes for no freight or prep then they all could honestly. Dealers make plenty with parts and service after the sale. ONLY reason I got two new guys to get a bike was taking them to a dealer that didn't screw with pricing. It's simply X + tax + 200doc and that is it. ez Other new riders to be are afraid of the clutch as every car seems to be an auto. Once you get a new guy riding they are in it with joy and love. My buddy wore me out with all the riding he wanted to do after his first bike purchase. He has gone back to the dealer to buy things for his bike. Not the dealer close by but the one that took care of him on his purchase of his bike!!
I was thinking more about this and a good dealer will not only be great regarding the fees and the like but will also help a new rider make a good decision about which bike to buy as a first bike. I've seen so many riders in my life start on the wrong bike and alot have quit because of it. A good dealership is important, no doubt. I wish I was closer to the dealership you are mentioning but 7 hours isn't an easy thing to manage.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders They are cool people. I know you did a demo there a year ago I think. BUT YES, I have seen salesman try and sell over powered bikes as first bikes. Makes my blood boil!!. You learn a ton more on a slower bike 100000%
Yeah it was and I really enjoyed the area and the people. You absolutely do learn more on lower cc bikes. I figure if you can start individuals on a bike that makes them comfortable after a season they will be back to buy a bigger bike. Guess I should start a dealership myself lol. I just want to pass along the joy of riding as best I can.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders LOL Used bike dealer. Doing things like other activities do to draw people in. A get together, intro rides in a safe area. Do all you can to remove the fear. BTW heard Yamaha has an auto coming soon. Oh yeah, new riders should not ever join a bike bike ride. They usually start going to fast and out of the new riders comfort zone.
I am a new rider (started like 2.5 years ago). I try to keep up that constant scan you talked about, because I like living. ATGATT, etc. I don't exactly expect every car to pull out in front of me or change lanes into me, but I try to be prepared for it every single time the possibility presents itself.
Thank you for sharing your journey so far. I do forget sometimes how it felt years ago to start riding. After a time, it all becomes second nature. In regards to ATGATT, it is always advised, but I'm not going to say I follow it always. My always is helmet, gloves, and boots. I guess it would boil down to trying to make people feel more comfortable on 2-wheels and working to make sure we have the next generation of riders.
Interesting...I too worry about this. I started riding at 14 and now 65. Back then we all went dirt bike racing. MX, Enduro etc Then onto the road with years of experience already under our belts. But now, in Australia, it seems to me us oldies are against the very thing we did back then. Prohibited to ride dirt bikes in so many places now. And then moving onto getting the motorcycle licence in Australia is costly and difficult with many restrictions. The government, I believe actively discourages new riders. And for us long time riders the increase of road penalties via speed cameras and hoon laws has made the road riding far less enjoyable to point where people don't. And would rather go to track days or the local drags.
Dirt bikes, ATV's, Self-made go-carts. We did all of the things when we were younger that are actively discouraged today because of noise or safety. And I do understand that it wasn't safe and honestly I rarely had any gear that would have protected me in those days but it was a different time. Getting a motorcycle license in the states is relatively easy compared to what I've heard of overseas. In Illinois it as simple as a $30 permit test which is like 15 questions and you can miss 2. Pass an you can now ride in a group with a fully licensed person or if you have a friend with a 250cc just go right out and to the parking lot test and now you can go buy any bike you want. Even as someone who has ridden most bikes I don't particularly like that very much for obvious reasons. I feel that its more safe now than its ever been. Gear is better, bikes are better but I think there needs to be a better resource for individuals that want to learn to ride but in a safe and controlled environment free of judgement and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Or maybe I'm just crazy lol. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on it. I know that none of us want to see motorcycling continue to decline.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders Thanks mate for your reply. It’s a problem for sure.
As the previous poster said, it’s a variety of new skills for someone used to driving a car… the fear of stalling out making a left turn in traffic, the fact that the front and rear brakes need to be managed independently and completely different from a car, leaning vs counter steering are also new skills foreign to a car driver, downshifting and rev matching, dropping a bike and having to potentially pickup a 500 pound bike seems daunting to a newbie…. That said, new technologies like airbag vests and level 2 armor and riding pants make things safer for a newbie rider to gain their first 2500-3000 miles of riding… that first couple of thousand miles is where so many of the basic skills are learned and build the foundation on.
I am a newbie rider, I have gone thru many of these initial riding fears and work to progress my skills!
You are right! All of the different things that are needed to make a motorcycle work can be daunting for someone thinking about riding. Even a 400lbs motorcycle can seem like a lot to someone starting out. I taught my kids how to ride on a 250, and they would just go around and around my small block for hours. Would set up cones for them to do, and we had a lot of fun with it. But that was just the basics. The first time at 60mph, all 3 told me after we stopped how fast it seemed to be and that it was a little scary. I told them yeah it is, but the more miles you do, the more you get used to it and feel more comfortable. Just got to get people to get to that point, and get more people on 2-wheels. I really appreciate getting the feedback on this from your perspective.
Absolutely! You have a very unique voice and channel in the Moto Review Tube Universe! As a related newbie rider bike choice questions, since you did 22, 23, and 24 CFMoto 300NK reviews….. would you recommend them and not be worried about quality concerns vs a used Z400, Ninja, Triumph Speed 400, All new 2024 Vitpilen 401? I like its size and the tech for a new rider, but the competition is a a few year old Kawi with Japanese reliability and residual value…. Your advice and possibly a video on this would be greatly appreciated! The 24 300NK review you did in red looks so good!
I haven't had any issues with my 450ss and I haven't been very friendly with it, to be honest. Very hard break-in and a lot of hard riding for 2400 miles. Granted, I have changed the oil 3 times, but I'm a little obsessive about maintenance. They are relatively new compared to the rest and they are going to stumble I'm sure but hopefully they will be able to do well by there customers when it comes to warranty issues that arise for customers which from what I've seen they have but time will tell. I like the price point for the 300nk for new riders. The resale value is a question when you can buy a ninja 400 or z400 and ride it for a season or 2 and then sell it for most of your money back. I guess all I can say is I really like CFMoto and personally I think they will do well and I'd buy them personally.
A lot of new potential riders do not understand why the price isn't the price. Some dealers kill ya with fees meanwhile other dealers don't charge freight or prep(even though its listed on mfg sites).
I'm sorry but if one of the highest volume dealers can sell bikes for no freight or prep then they all could honestly. Dealers make plenty with parts and service after the sale. ONLY reason I got two new guys to get a bike was taking them to a dealer that didn't screw with pricing. It's simply X + tax + 200doc and that is it. ez
Other new riders to be are afraid of the clutch as every car seems to be an auto.
Once you get a new guy riding they are in it with joy and love. My buddy wore me out with all the riding he wanted to do after his first bike purchase. He has gone back to the dealer to buy things for his bike. Not the dealer close by but the one that took care of him on his purchase of his bike!!
I was thinking more about this and a good dealer will not only be great regarding the fees and the like but will also help a new rider make a good decision about which bike to buy as a first bike. I've seen so many riders in my life start on the wrong bike and alot have quit because of it. A good dealership is important, no doubt. I wish I was closer to the dealership you are mentioning but 7 hours isn't an easy thing to manage.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders They are cool people. I know you did a demo there a year ago I think. BUT YES, I have seen salesman try and sell over powered bikes as first bikes. Makes my blood boil!!. You learn a ton more on a slower bike 100000%
Yeah it was and I really enjoyed the area and the people. You absolutely do learn more on lower cc bikes. I figure if you can start individuals on a bike that makes them comfortable after a season they will be back to buy a bigger bike. Guess I should start a dealership myself lol. I just want to pass along the joy of riding as best I can.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders LOL Used bike dealer. Doing things like other activities do to draw people in. A get together, intro rides in a safe area. Do all you can to remove the fear. BTW heard Yamaha has an auto coming soon. Oh yeah, new riders should not ever join a bike bike ride. They usually start going to fast and out of the new riders comfort zone.
@@MotorcycleDemoRiders There is also a dealer in Northern Ohio no fees. honda, yam, suz and kaw. It's probably 3-4hrs closer to you