Does Makita Still Make Japan's Best Impact Driver - Testing 36v Hikoki (Metabo HPT) Triple Hammer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2024
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Makita has always been regarded as having one of the best impact drivers on the market, especially their Made in Japan models. But is there another impact from Japan that you should be checking out? We test the Hikoki 36v Triple Hammer - known as the Metabo HPT Triple Hammer Bolt in USA.
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One thing everyone forgets about japanese tools is the usability and accuracy of them. It seems everyone is just interested in power and nothing else. Great review.
Absolutely!
Metabo HPT or Hikoki in other parts of the world is a hidden gem
Agreed!
Absolutely.
Yup I’ve had 7 Makita tools shit themselves in the last 12 months.
I’m swapping to Hikoki.
The old 18v is same age as the 887, it has staying power.
Loved this test, it showed the power inconsistencies of all 3 tools.
great review and thanks for including some unusual tools!
Thanks!
Another great review bud
Nice! And hey, a relaxing festive season to you!
Thanks.
It's always nice to watch your videos. Rational and speaking facts. Not someone that beats the crap out of the tool sideways , driving a lag screws and calling it the best lol
Thanks for the kind words!
It's actually $129 kit for the 18V hammer drill and triple hammer and two batteries/charger bag
I've been able to outfit 5 of my crew with the 18V triple hammers and my kids and non have failed after 4 yrs
Thanks for the input.
Old green makes a good tool for the money .
Yes they do!
The other impacts look good, but my OG 18v Hitachi TH works fine for me.
Fact is a 5-10 year old brushless impact is good for almost everyone. I watch these reviews for fun but if it takes 12 seconds to drive a big screw vs 8 it doesn’t matter for most scenarios 😀 unless you’re building decks all day…
That Makita XGT TD002 is the one
I bought the metabo hpt triple hammer and is my favorite tool. But looking at the bolt and watching the video. I'm getting one. Hopefully soon.
I love me some metabo triple hammer
This is the exact video I wanted to see! You read my mind!
Glad you liked it!
My favorite are the ryobi bid11 and bid10xr :)
Makita makes a NZ to US fitter part as well, which I've hotglued into my BID impacts to make them easier to use with the bits here
I have the old DB model, and also ordered the 36DC from Japan...same one you have black/gold special edition lol...Its amazing. But honestly, the DB model is the better buy, especially since it can be found for bauer prices.
I will say though, I prefer the controls on the left side. I know it's different from anything else, but I believe most people dislike purely due to muscle memory because every other brand is in the middle foot area generally. But I think on the side like the DB is actually a more natural position for it...Can't beat Green in my book. Only wish they expanded the line further, into OPE, etc. Cheers.
The black camo Makita XGT and Hikoki white gold are on my wish list.. Thank you for the in depth review, I'm looking forward to more of your content!
Thanks for watching. I struggled with the black and gold vs while and gold when I was buying. Ultimately I thought the black would stay cleaner looking but they both are nice looking. I only wish they had special edition batteries to match.
@@TinkerWithTools is there any issues utilizing the Japanese version with non Japanese batteries, charger, or other tools?
@@1440PGamingContent with the Hikoki they literally share the same model number and everything. There seems to be no difference at all. With the Makita they are manufactured in different places but I haven’t noticed any differences.
@@TinkerWithTools I was concerned the japan charger operates at 20v variation over time might effect the battery
@@1440PGamingContent I bought both tool only and use an American charger so I don’t think it will be an issue but I’ll be sure to bring it up if it’s an issue
I love my xgt tools but wish the ergos on the impact was the same as the XDT19
What has been absolutely fascinating to watch is makitas absolute obsession with making impact drivers. It's a fairly modern tool and I don't ever recall a time where a tool manufacturer has released a new model of tool over and over and over and over.
They will keep making them as long as people keep buying them. There are improvements from generation to generation but performance wise they are all pretty close.
Raw power isn't the only desirable attribute for impact drivers. Most of the latest impact drivers are more than adequately powerful enough as they are. In fact, they may even be too powerful. At 1900 in-pounds of torque, they are strong enough to snap even impact-rated bits. To achieve that 1900 to 2000 in-pounds of torque, many of these latest impact drivers spin way too fast even at the lowest impact/speed setting. When they spin too fast, they strip the screw heads.
Well said. Different tools for different preferences is one of the great things we have available to us.
I don't know about metabo or HiKoki, but the Makita service is excellent in my country. Makita battery has 500 charge cycle warranty. If the bettery were bad under 500 charge cycle, Makita will give you a new one and no question asked.
I think it’s just a number of years from when you purchase. I have received satisfactory service from Makita. No real complaints on the quality of tools.
When you purchased the hikoki from eBay, were there any additional customs fees? I’ve considered buying one from eBay, but I don’t know how much extra that might add to the price.
When I have purchased from ebay I have only done it with a single seller (momanty) and I have never been charged anything else other than the price they disclose plus sales tax. So on the Hikoki that I ordered it was $148 total and $10 approximately was sales tax based on where I live. Shipping was free so I am guessing they have just built any of that into the price.
Woah..so if I have metabo hpt batteries I can order the hikoki tools from japan and the tools will work on it?
Yes
Does the battery size affect power? I got the 18v package deal you mentioned, with 3.0 batteries. It was just the best mid-range deal out there. But I was pleasantly surprised by how nice it is (especially the trigger). I do work outside a lot, so the ip rating is nice too (although I wonder if it’s genuinely more water and dust resistant than yellow or red).
All the batteries are going to operate at 18v for an 18v tool (36v for a 36v tool) but the bigger batteries experience less voltage drop under use typically. This causes the tool to run better in my experience. But it will still get the job done on a smaller battery unless you are really pushing it.
Best thing I did for mine is get generic 36v batteries (55$ per) 5ah in 18v, also has battery gauge.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks, makes sense…. looks like you used the 36v in this test? It would be interesting to do the same test with the 18v 3.0 Ah battery
@@dylanwheaton2785 Thanks, now that I look around some more, the Metabo-brand 36v batteries are available for $55-60 on EBay (a lot less than Amazon).
@FreedomFox1 yeah you can find the 4.0/8.0 for around 55-75
Do they carry an impacts or ratcheting ones like the m12 Milwaukee does
Not sure what you mean.
@@TinkerWithTools 12v or 14v cordless impact wrench/ cordless ratchets wrench
Main thing with makita is the comfort when using tool in case of strong milwaukee your hand gets tiered a lot faster than with makita
8:40 8'' timberlok faster than 6'' timberlok for XGT ? 🤔
Right interesting
Because it's osb he's drilling into. That's why the results are so inconsistent on all 3.
Well, after having this one, the xdt19, and the new td173, which one you like more?
Which one is nicer and more comfortable?
I think the comfort comparison between this XGT model, the first Gen XGT and then the 171/172 (xdt16/19) are all very similar. The 173 get's bumped down in comfort simply because of the handle size issue I talk about in that video. But from an overall like, if the handle were a smidge bigger, I would choose the 173 over them all.
@@TinkerWithTools so the hikoki bolt is not as refined and comfortable as the makita ones?
@@michaela3330 it’s close but I still prefer the Makita. That’s not saying the Metabo HPT/Hikoki is bad. Just a slight step behind.
@@TinkerWithTools thanks, i have the xdt19 and the xgt td001, and still waiting for the td173.
i thought the hikoki will surprise me (the 18v version of this wh18dc), but now i understand that its not so
Hikoki isn't a bad impact driver and some might prefer it over the Makita, but I prefer the makita.
I just got my hikoki in grand camel, basically fancy word for tan or FDE
I considered getting the white one when I bought mine but ultimately opted for the black.
Just bought another 18 volt hpt 129 with hammer drill they are all smooth the hikoki has a known problem with the oil Leaking
I’ve seen it happen with other impacts. Usually isn’t a problem under normal use but I’ll keep an eye on it.
It's not an issue
The Bolt has 3700 Rpm amd 3400 in P Mode.
Yep you are right. My bad. That 3700 rpm is available in the self tapping screw mode.
@@TinkerWithToolsif you have the Hikoki Bluetooth batteries, you can link with your phone and max out the rpm for regular mode. The American version can't do that, though
I build log and timber frame homes and the 18v triple hammmer has been the crew favorite for years. We added some gen3 Milwaukees months ago but almost no one uses them. Fast as hell, but your hand goes numb if your using it for more than 10 minutes (and the trigger is God awful). The Makita is fantastic I'm sure, their impacts have always been, but their 40v is a hard buy in with almost no 18v cross compatibility and crazy pricing.
Thanks for the valuable input.
Why not do the test with all 18v drills?
The main focus of the test was the 36v Hikoki. So a natural comparison was the Japanese 40v XGT, but I also wanted to included the 18v Triple Hammer for a comparison point. Is it a perfect comparison, no, but I think there is still value there.
Torque Test Channel testing was pretty disappointing. I mean, I get that you don't need a TON of power in an impact driver, but man the triple hammers are weak. And the Bolt gets even less power than its predecessors. The 40V Makita also doesn't outperform its 18V cousins, which are what I prefer.
The triple hammer doesn’t test well in their toque testing but in real life it does the job well for me. It’s smooth and nice to use.
@@TinkerWithTools My TD172 is also smooth and nice to use, but with power much more in line with the competition.
It appears to me that the folks at Hikoki/Metabo HPT/Hitachi had an interesting idea, marketed that idea, but it just didn't really turn out.
I have definitely thought about getting one because of its IP rating, which is really nice. And of course, if it works for you, that's great! I think I would end up in places where I needed more torque out of it just a bit too often for it to work for me.
My Hikoki 18V destroys my Makita 18V. 1:28
Hikoki is the new kid on the block. Top tools at reasonable prices and great battery system.
Makita is dying.
Makita is dying in the US due to some lackluster decision making from management and high prices. But globally the brand is alive and well. If we had the same access to newer tools I think that it might be a different story for them.
NO Hikoki is not the best in Japan. Makita is. The new Hikoki WH36DC that I bought from Hikoki Japan is not made there the tool was made in China just like your typical Makita tools that are sold at the home Depot. Makita however is purely made in Japan except on some of their cheap and basic models, The TD-171 (XDT-16), TD-172 (XDT-19) are made in Japan with Japanese materials. And also there's a New Impact Driver again that come out for 2023 The New Makita TD-173DZ I do not know or not sure what's gonna be the model number for that when that tool come out in The North American market it could be or may be the new XDT-20 maybe! But it's an awesome looking tool from Makita.
I plan on getting the new TD-173 when the budget allows. I do like the akita impacts more but given the price differential, the metabo HPT or hikoki isn't a bad way to get an impact with similar feel. But yes, it's not made in Japan like the Japanese makita.
you buy hikoki and makita for the same reason you buy toyota