Thanks to the vidio gods. I love watching the oldmasters. The inspiration I get is priceless. And my kindred spirit. Highly honored at the House of Spirits. Our Prayer Temple; "Chick Web". And he is my hero. His pain is now as much as mine. Honors my Brother. See you soon. But I ain't ready! I still got lots of Drumming to do.
Thanks, guys. You have real good hears! Every drummer in rock, pop, metal, or any other music typologies today, of mostly commercial styles, didn't invent a single roll. All the technique and groove were invented by this amazing musicians !! I'm glad you liked. It took me some weeks, to trace each big name from the early Jazz, select a good clip, and glue them by cronologic order (more or less...) along the XXth century..
It's not simply the posting, but all the work envolved in the searching, download it, editing, mounting the video.slided shows, inserting the drummers names, and back then there was a 10 minute limitation, and, I'm a saxophone player, my friends... Well, I 've allways loved rhythm, and had a special bond with my drummers, so... But the guys that disliked pherhaps don't even realize the effort and commitment that is necessary to do a work like these video collection... It's so much easier to click a "baaahhh", I dislike the video 'cause it has not Billy Cobham in it !!! Well, Cobham doesn't appear because I don't like his drumming... But I don't go on clicking 'dislikes' on his videos, understand?? So, be happy, and constructive fellows, please...
Most just used a basic 4 piece kit and sounded great. It shows you don't need the big ,massive kits a lot of drummers use today. Great to see the old kits and brands.
spercoco: Bellson, Manne, Morello, Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich are in part 2 or 3. I couldn't care less for the color, faith, sex, drums brand, or any other thing that brings variety to Human Race, and in this case, artists. I'm a tenor sax player, born in Portugal, and my heroes are Rollins, Cannonball, Parker, Mingus, Horace Silver, Joe Zawinul amongst others. "I have a dream", the same dream Martin Luther King had and shared with all of us.
I would like to have that DVD too!!! Unafortunately, these things are very difficult to be released for commercial distribution! I'm a tenor sax player, and produced a multimedia show named "The History of Jazz & Blues", and while we (a quintet) play tunes composed in each decade, era or Jazz style (Swing, BeBop, Cool, etc...), I've made a video slide-show projected behind us, on stage. Between tunes I talk a little about the characteristics of the jazz aesthetic of the next tune.
I think it's funny to see people snob it up over music and in particular musicians. Whenever I see them together, especially from different generations, they almost always appreciate each others talent and work. Even across genres, great rock musicians like country music, country guys like big band, but TH-cam commenters all seem to know better, and get a kick out of bashing guys (and gals) whose talent they could never hope to match.
wonderful - papa jo jones ( my favourtie in this group with baby dodds) with an inspired ben webster... zutty singleton with johnny st cyr and so many others... moving
Wow ... got a great education from watching your 3 clips of great drummers. Would have loved to see some more of the contemporary greats on that list ... I would add ... Airto Moreira, Jack De Johnette, Steve Gadd, Lenny White, Billy Cobham, and possibly Terry Clarke, among others. But most of all, Tony Williams belongs on an all-time greats list.
Major technical difference (drum equipment wise) between these drummers and modern day drummers are the calf skin heads used then rather than the mylar ones in use today!
thank you it was helpfull , can please put a video of chick webb performance (solo's) im very intersting on the way he use to play , and can't find any thing on youtube , nothing but his his songs , thank you again
É deveras impressionante a semelhança que eu noto nas expressões faciais e corporais de SONNY PAYNE, aos 6':26''; 6':28''; 6':33'' e 6':41/42'', com as que o baterista português PEDRO TAVEIRA (infelizmente já falecido - mas é possível pesquisar e visualizá-lo no TH-cam) fazia, nos mesmos tipos de BREAKS e PARADIDLES seguidos de 'pratada' no 'ride', seguidamente agarrado com a mão (ou com a baqueta posta pela face inferior do cymbal, a empurrá-o para cima) para que parasse de (res)soar prolongadamente... Era uma festa para os sentidos 'ouvê-lo a tocar...
Yessss!!! Good remark, Robert!! I use to call those drummers (of Fusion, mostly...) Sewing Machines... 'cause they do the same sound of Oliva and other machines of that kind... eheheh
Although, they incorporated some characteristics of the new 'thing', But Baby Dodds or Chick Webb were included in Great Drummers Part 2, or 3. But there's always somebody that have some critios to point on everything other's do. No one is perfect, nor even the Greatest Artists. They're also humans, as you, me, and the rest of Mankind. Sorry for the 'mistakes',
Does anyone know where the first video with a bunch of drummers is from? I remember seeing it several years ago on daily motion but it was much longer and in colour. I believe it was either a short film or a scene from a movie. I remember the scene was a sort of prison for drummers or something like that. I've been searching for it for a couple of years, the short clip from this video is all I could find. If anyone knows where or what this video is I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
When I hear "Moon was the best...or Buddy or Bonzo or whatever" I smile and thank every drummer from Ringo thru Joe Morello, Carl Palmer, Stewart Copeland and Vinnie that I heard and stole a bit from to make up "me". Drumming is an art, not a science or a competition. Is Rembrandt better than Leonardo?
Because different drummers had signed for different record labels, these DVDs, that would be a MUST for the new generations of players and Jazz lovers, aren't released because those big labels, like Blue Note, CBS, Riverside, Verve, etc, don't agree in terms of copyrights, division of profits... you know the story. It's like between President and House of Representants... Money, money, money, greed, big bucks... Same old sh... tch..tch...tch t..tch ( now the hi-hat cymbals fades in ....
I suppose you mean as parts of a standard drum kit, right? I think the wood block was included before the invention of the "hi-hat" ( The French musicians call it "charleston cymbals", that points for the 20's decade, when charleston was the popular mood for balls...) Wood block, cowbell, tambourines, became less popular during the swing and be-bop eras, (30's and 40's) Then it was re-introduced around the 50's, when Dizzy Gillespie began using percussionists (Mongo Santamaria, Candido, Carl Tjader, Ray Barretto,..), in a kind of mix of Be-bop with Salsa, Samba, and other Latin and central & south american tunes and rhythms, moods that came originally from africa beats and rhythms, brought by the original first generation of slaves. Tunes like Manteca, Night in Tunisia, Cubana-Be Cubana.Bop, etc... Then, when you have quartets, the drummer introduces those percussions to give a little of the "flavour" of having one percussionist in the group. Then drum sets began to have, from middle 60's on, a lot of new parts to add to the nuclear drum set, sometimes sold as an extra equipments, from double bass drums, double pedals, crash, chinese, flat ride colored, holes cymbals; roto-tom-toms, octave toms in transparent plexiglass, and all sorts of add-ons, quite similar to what happened with the cars, in the "tunning" mania era. Something like that... ;)
I really 'love' the 15 guys that gave this compilation a "down finger", and I was thinkin' that probably they prefer: a) Rock, Hard-rock or Heavy Metal drummers, and, for those, I just remember that: Charlie Watts - Rolling Stones - had a Jazz Big Band ; Ginger Baker - The Cream - had a very Jazz oriented band, "Ginger Baker's Airforce"; A drummer from a very Hard band - Mettalica, Aerosmith, Uriah Heep, Def Leppard, or some other group in that kind of musical aesthetics (please note that I'm not making any kind of criticism or judgement of value), declared in a TV interview that « I'm only playing this kind of music because it pays far better that the Music I love, JAZZ» - It's a fact that most drummers of any kind of Music agree that the better and more creative percussionists and drummers are the Jazz ones - and that analysis also extends to almost other instrumentists ... b) Fusion, Rock Jazz, Crossover and similar drummers - I remember that there´s also very good or even exellent drummers, there, like (à la batterie : Tony 'Williames' - il est trés jeune, il a seulement dix-sept ans ... [ in: 'Miles Davis in Paris' ] ); Peter Erskine and any other Weather Report drummer; Billy Cobham; and so on.. - I just didn't make any other episodes of 'Greatest Drummers' because I'm busy recording my third CD and drawing my new Comics album ... and ... sorry for that matter! c) that I'd never put a hand on TH-cam... d) that I'll would never existed at all... e) that they had cliked in the ok finger, or 'up finger' (no, not that finger you're thinkin about !!), instead otherwise... f) always cliking in the down finger or saying "Booooo!" to anything that any other guy does, just because, YES, just because THEY ARE NEGATIVE GUYS !! Try to be happy, at least, ok??
The cronology is not so accurate. Remember, The 'after' and 'before' is about the age of those musicians, or their public visibility? Because when Charlie Parker and Dizzy and Monk started with BeBop, Louis Armstrong went on performing, Duke Ellington and his Big Band too. When a new style or aesthetics in Art (Jazz music, in this case) begins, it doesn't mean that all the other artists that were already in the Jazz scene stop playing, die, or start playing the new 'style'...
No white drummers huh? Any reason for that? There were more than enough of them: Dave Tough, Ray Beaduc, Loius Bellson, Shelly Manne, Joe Morello just to name o few. Oh yeah and a couple of guys that were untouchable by the names of Krupa and Rich.
listen to these brothers they got that pocket always that African thing just swings right through, i mean the brothers always the best drummers, buddy rich, gene kruper, bohanan nice but not as versatile as the brothers
All the great drummers used, or are using, the traditional grip, I detest seeing the match grip being used, to me it is a sloppy, easy way of playing drums and the so called drummers who teach it should be ashamed to take their pupils' money. By the way I was fortunate to see, many years ago Sonny Payne in the Harry James orchestra, lovely memories.
Tommy Hall Prove that all the great drummers used traditional grip,then prove that any teacher who uses matched grip is a fraud.Your ignorance is not an excuse for making false statements.
Show me any great drummer, a dot reading drummer, a drummer that could sit in with a band and, presented with the dots could not read them, then I will, show you a host, a veritable deluge of so-called drummers who, presented with the dots would curl up and rightly die.
Tommy Hall You were asked to vindicate your position,you provided no evidence at all,but asked another question...that is the m.o of idiots and frauds.
These guys had no antetypes, no tradition, they INVENTED drum set playing, they were the beginning of all that, what makes them even greater.
Everyone here is amazing. Papa Jo has an extra "snap" that's hard to define. Amazing work.
Nice to see Lionel Hampton as a drummer in this compilation.
Thanks to the vidio gods. I love watching the oldmasters. The inspiration I get is priceless. And my kindred spirit. Highly honored at the House of Spirits. Our Prayer Temple; "Chick Web". And he is my hero. His pain is now as much as mine. Honors my Brother. See you soon. But I ain't ready! I still got lots of Drumming to do.
Great job with the history of the great swing players that started it all!!!
Thanks, guys. You have real good hears! Every drummer in rock, pop, metal, or any other music typologies today, of mostly commercial styles, didn't invent a single roll. All the technique and groove were invented by this amazing musicians !! I'm glad you liked. It took me some weeks, to trace each big name from the early Jazz, select a good clip, and glue them by cronologic order (more or less...) along the XXth century..
One look at Jo Jones' face is all you need to know he's the happiest man on earth when on the drums.
Great compilation, thank you very much,
they should be a font of inspiration for any drummers.
It's not simply the posting, but all the work envolved in the searching, download it, editing, mounting the video.slided shows, inserting the drummers names, and back then there was a 10 minute limitation, and, I'm a saxophone player, my friends... Well, I 've allways loved rhythm, and had a special bond with my drummers, so... But the guys that disliked pherhaps don't even realize the effort and commitment that is necessary to do a work like these video collection... It's so much easier to click a "baaahhh", I dislike the video 'cause it has not Billy Cobham in it !!! Well, Cobham doesn't appear because I don't like his drumming... But I don't go on clicking 'dislikes' on his videos, understand?? So, be happy, and constructive fellows, please...
Thanks for posting this legendary masterpiece!! This is phenomenal!! These pioneering brothers help shape music into what it is today.
One of my music teachers nicknamed me Cozy Cole whenever he saw me practising :)
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WONDERFUL! Guys that I have read about but never got a chance to see their hot stuff. As a professional drummer, this is inspiring. Thank you.
Some great footage here I've never seen before :-)
I have concentrated on fiddle for the last 40 years after starting in music as a drummer. This is wonderful...thanks!!
THANK YOU SO SO SOOOOOO MUCH FOR ACTUALLY POSTING A VIDEO ON THE GREATS NOT KEITH MOON AND JOHN BONHAM ECT!!!
Most just used a basic 4 piece kit and sounded great.
It shows you don't need the big ,massive kits a lot of drummers use today.
Great to see the old kits and brands.
THESE ARE THE MASTERS!!! THANK U SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!
I'd like to see more of the opening clip. It would be great to see that show.
Jo Jones, and Pete La Roca are my favorite on this list.
thanks so much! This could help me become a jazz drummer myself. I really want to be a jazz drummer
Sid Catlett--Holy Smokes!
spercoco:
Bellson, Manne, Morello, Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich are in part 2 or 3. I couldn't care less for the color, faith, sex, drums brand, or any other thing that brings variety to Human Race, and in this case, artists. I'm a tenor sax player, born in Portugal, and my heroes are Rollins, Cannonball, Parker, Mingus, Horace Silver, Joe Zawinul amongst others. "I have a dream", the same dream Martin Luther King had and shared with all of us.
Papa Jo Jones. :)
+thiagofranco169 He was a out of this world master of the rhythm, I agree, 200%, 5 stars and a half, and so on, and on, and on !!!
Nice job Rui Azul !!
Marvelous...new insights into the masters. THANK YOU!
MS
The best I have ever seem . I feel so happy now
mi ricordo da ragazzino lo ascoltavo sempre e adesso mi ha fatto piacere riascoltarlo
Great share, my friend‼️ Appreciate this so very, very much‼️ Cheers‼️
Sam :-)
I would like to have that DVD too!!! Unafortunately, these things are very difficult to be released for commercial distribution! I'm a tenor sax player, and produced a multimedia show named "The History of Jazz & Blues", and while we (a quintet) play tunes composed in each decade, era or Jazz style (Swing, BeBop, Cool, etc...), I've made a video slide-show projected behind us, on stage. Between tunes I talk a little about the characteristics of the jazz aesthetic of the next tune.
Nice clips... history at its finest.
This put a big smile on my face
awesome! thanks for sharing
I think it's funny to see people snob it up over music and in particular musicians. Whenever I see them together, especially from different generations, they almost always appreciate each others talent and work. Even across genres, great rock musicians like country music, country guys like big band, but TH-cam commenters all seem to know better, and get a kick out of bashing guys (and gals) whose talent they could never hope to match.
My god, Jo Jones
Beautiful man! Thanks for posting!!
wonderful - papa jo jones ( my favourtie in this group with baby dodds) with an inspired ben webster... zutty singleton with johnny st cyr and so many others... moving
Take a look to the other parts of the series Great Drummers
GREAT stuff!!!
Wow ... got a great education from watching your 3 clips of great drummers. Would have loved to see some more of the contemporary greats on that list ... I would add ... Airto Moreira, Jack De Johnette, Steve Gadd, Lenny White, Billy Cobham, and possibly Terry Clarke, among others. But most of all, Tony Williams belongs on an all-time greats list.
Agree, that was meant to be my 4 clip, but i'd digital video conversion bugs and lost the data... Sorry.
No one here , worrying about double bass drum pedal speed, like these days.
Shadow Wilson is really awesome.
Major technical difference (drum equipment wise) between these drummers and modern day drummers are the calf skin heads used then rather than the mylar ones in use today!
amazing!!!
grate indeed!
thank you it was helpfull , can please put a video of chick webb performance (solo's) im very intersting on the way he use to play , and can't find any thing on youtube , nothing but his his songs , thank you again
Them guys is hopped up !
Awesome
É deveras impressionante a semelhança que eu noto nas expressões faciais e corporais de SONNY PAYNE, aos 6':26''; 6':28''; 6':33'' e 6':41/42'', com as que o baterista português PEDRO TAVEIRA (infelizmente já falecido - mas é possível pesquisar e visualizá-lo no TH-cam) fazia, nos mesmos tipos de BREAKS e PARADIDLES seguidos de 'pratada' no 'ride', seguidamente agarrado com a mão (ou com a baqueta posta pela face inferior do cymbal, a empurrá-o para cima) para que parasse de (res)soar prolongadamente... Era uma festa para os sentidos 'ouvê-lo a tocar...
Amazing. Which band plays in the beginning?
I gotta try that foot on the floor tom.
And try that Kyle gets better on rhythm stuff.... ;)
Note the musicality of these players; non of them playing at a 1,000,000,000 MPH either ....
Yessss!!! Good remark, Robert!! I use to call those drummers (of Fusion, mostly...) Sewing Machines... 'cause they do the same sound of Oliva and other machines of that kind... eheheh
Although, they incorporated some characteristics of the new 'thing', But Baby Dodds or Chick Webb were included in Great Drummers Part 2, or 3. But there's always somebody that have some critios to point on everything other's do. No one is perfect, nor even the Greatest Artists. They're also humans, as you, me, and the rest of Mankind. Sorry for the 'mistakes',
Holy Shit!!!!!! Shadow Wilson!!!???!!!???!!! Didn' t know there was film of him out there.
Does anyone know where the first video with a bunch of drummers is from? I remember seeing it several years ago on daily motion but it was much longer and in colour. I believe it was either a short film or a scene from a movie. I remember the scene was a sort of prison for drummers or something like that. I've been searching for it for a couple of years, the short clip from this video is all I could find. If anyone knows where or what this video is I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
Thanks...
:-) Maravilhoso!!!
america's treasure
great to hear chick webb ,,,,,, world class
and .... the world was already modern!!!
When drummers state that "John Bonham was the greatest drummer ever", I laugh, and say, "Papa Jo Jones, my friends...Papa Jo Jones."
When I hear "Moon was the best...or Buddy or Bonzo or whatever" I smile and thank every drummer from Ringo thru Joe Morello, Carl Palmer, Stewart Copeland and Vinnie that I heard and stole a bit from to make up "me". Drumming is an art, not a science or a competition. Is Rembrandt better than Leonardo?
What is the opening sequence. I want to see that in full.
Because different drummers had signed for different record labels, these DVDs, that would be a MUST for the new generations of players and Jazz lovers, aren't released because those big labels, like Blue Note, CBS, Riverside, Verve, etc, don't agree in terms of copyrights, division of profits... you know the story. It's like between President and House of Representants... Money, money, money, greed, big bucks... Same old sh... tch..tch...tch t..tch ( now the hi-hat cymbals fades in ....
wow, these are some teasers. would like to see each one of these film clips at full length -- are these all available on a DVD?
About what year did most drum set manufacturers stop including a wood block and cowbell?
I suppose you mean as parts of a standard drum kit, right? I think the wood block was included before the invention of the "hi-hat" ( The French musicians call it "charleston cymbals", that points for the 20's decade, when charleston was the popular mood for balls...) Wood block, cowbell, tambourines, became less popular during the swing and be-bop eras, (30's and 40's) Then it was re-introduced around the 50's, when Dizzy Gillespie began using percussionists (Mongo Santamaria, Candido, Carl Tjader, Ray Barretto,..), in a kind of mix of Be-bop with Salsa, Samba, and other Latin and central & south american tunes and rhythms, moods that came originally from africa beats and rhythms, brought by the original first generation of slaves. Tunes like Manteca, Night in Tunisia, Cubana-Be Cubana.Bop, etc... Then, when you have quartets, the drummer introduces those percussions to give a little of the "flavour" of having one percussionist in the group. Then drum sets began to have, from middle 60's on, a lot of new parts to add to the nuclear drum set, sometimes sold as an extra equipments, from double bass drums, double pedals, crash, chinese, flat ride colored, holes cymbals; roto-tom-toms, octave toms in transparent plexiglass, and all sorts of add-ons, quite similar to what happened with the cars, in the "tunning" mania era. Something like that... ;)
+Rui Azul awesome information, thanks for sharing. love music history
The source ! thank you ! ! !
papa jo joness the panic
Drum history...
I really 'love' the 15 guys that gave this compilation a "down finger", and I was thinkin' that probably they prefer:
a) Rock, Hard-rock or Heavy Metal drummers, and, for those, I just remember that:
Charlie Watts - Rolling Stones - had a Jazz Big Band ;
Ginger Baker - The Cream - had a very Jazz oriented band, "Ginger Baker's Airforce";
A drummer from a very Hard band - Mettalica, Aerosmith, Uriah Heep, Def Leppard, or some other group in that kind of musical aesthetics (please note that I'm not making any kind of criticism or judgement of value), declared in a TV interview that « I'm only playing this kind of music because it pays far better that the Music I love, JAZZ» - It's a fact that most drummers of any kind of Music agree that the better and more creative percussionists and drummers are the Jazz ones - and that analysis also extends to almost other instrumentists ...
b) Fusion, Rock Jazz, Crossover and similar drummers - I remember that there´s also very good or even exellent drummers, there, like (à la batterie : Tony 'Williames' - il est trés jeune, il a seulement dix-sept ans ... [ in: 'Miles Davis in Paris' ] ); Peter Erskine and any other Weather Report drummer; Billy Cobham; and so on.. - I just didn't make any other episodes of 'Greatest Drummers' because I'm busy recording my third CD and drawing my new Comics album ... and ... sorry for that matter!
c) that I'd never put a hand on TH-cam...
d) that I'll would never existed at all...
e) that they had cliked in the ok finger, or 'up finger' (no, not that finger you're thinkin about !!), instead otherwise...
f) always cliking in the down finger or saying "Booooo!" to anything that any other guy does, just because, YES, just because THEY ARE NEGATIVE GUYS !! Try to be happy, at least, ok??
Where did you get the opening video from? I really would love to see the rest!
The cronology is not so accurate. Remember, The 'after' and 'before' is about the age of those musicians, or their public visibility? Because when Charlie Parker and Dizzy and Monk started with BeBop, Louis Armstrong went on performing, Duke Ellington and his Big Band too. When a new style or aesthetics in Art (Jazz music, in this case) begins, it doesn't mean that all the other artists that were already in the Jazz scene stop playing, die, or start playing the new 'style'...
Where is that opening video from? I'd love to see the whole thing.
Papa Joe Jones, even Krupa acknowledged him. Sorry no drummers today.
You mean the band with only drummers in the generic? I think it was a reunion to make a spot for a tv commercial, don't remember well. Sorry.
Oh yes!!!
count basie - corner pocket
No Billy Cobham?
Shadow was Monk's favorite drummer.
Wilson ? Mmmm. Interesting. Where did you got that?
Everybody you named came after Baby Doobs, Zutty Singleton, Chick Webb etc...
dejen de joder con los pinches comerciales y comerciales!!! grrrr chido la acomplacion :D
No white drummers huh? Any reason for that? There were more than enough of them: Dave Tough, Ray Beaduc, Loius Bellson, Shelly Manne, Joe Morello just to name o few. Oh yeah and a couple of guys that were untouchable by the names of Krupa and Rich.
even though this is old people music, it's pretty awesome
listen to these brothers they got that pocket always that African thing just swings right through, i mean the brothers always the best drummers, buddy rich, gene kruper, bohanan nice but not as versatile as the brothers
All the great drummers used, or are using, the traditional grip, I detest seeing the match grip being used, to me it is a sloppy, easy way of playing drums and the so called drummers who teach it should be ashamed to take their pupils' money. By the way I was fortunate to see, many years ago Sonny Payne in the Harry James orchestra, lovely memories.
This is a much appreciated celebration of drumming,your negativity and disparagement of other drummers is not welcome here.
dropbearattack Why?
Tommy Hall Prove that all the great drummers used traditional grip,then prove that any teacher who uses matched grip is a fraud.Your ignorance is not an excuse for making false statements.
Show me any great drummer, a dot reading drummer, a drummer that could sit in with a band and, presented with the dots could not read them, then I will, show you a host, a veritable deluge of so-called drummers who, presented with the dots would curl up and rightly die.
Tommy Hall You were asked to vindicate your position,you provided no evidence at all,but asked another question...that is the m.o of idiots and frauds.