I think the roterfix is terrible because it decouples the board from the wall. Which is what it is designed to do to reduce the noise going through the wall But it lets the board resonate louder in room. Also the heavier the back board or cabinet you can use the better.. I suggest a trick we use in audio which is get blue tac and make 3 or 4 big from 10mm to 20mm balls and wedge them around the edge just under the board to the wall. Blu Tac has this property that is goes rock hard at audio frequencies. It will damp the board from resonating at audio frequencies. And it will couple the board so well to the wall it will damp the wall with the weight of the board also! I tried it and it works.
Personally I kind of like hearing the thump a dart makes hitting the board. That said this is what I've found with my Eclipse Pro mounted very tight to the wall. I use a Viper Defender (foamish) surround. When the surround is on and mounted off the wall by about 1 inch, flush with the front of the board it emits a healthy thump when a dart hits it. When the surround is pushed back so its firm against the wall it seems its muted by about 90%. I'm thinking this shows the sound mostly is telegraphed off the wall. It would have been interesting to see the results in your test of a board suspended on a wire. I bet with any board you'd be showing 20 or less db
yeah I think you may be right, I know there is a company in Germany that sells wires to allow the board to be suspended and its meant to be quieter but I dont think I have enough space where my board is to be able to put the wires up properly :)
@@DartsReviewChannel I've been trying to track down this German system with no luck. Do you have a name or anything to go by? If not, I was gonna make something of my own by hanging the board from the ceiling with really thin steel cable - like 1/64" - looped to tiny screw hooks in the side of the board. I'd then stick 2" thick acoustic foam panel to my backboard and have the dart board just rest against the foam. Thoughts? My problem isn't the noise of impact itself, but the vibration transferring to that particular wall and up 2 floors into the bedrooms.
@@fungeneer I really cant remember, might be best to ask someone on the German Darts Forum as I think it was there were the idea started. www.dartn-forum.de/ There is also a new one by a guy recently, it was called the Whisper dartboard cabinet, was going to link it to you buy I cant find his channel now lol I have asked someone to let me know if he is still active.
@@fungeneer I think the guy who made the Whisper Cabinet thing must have given up on the idea, there is no sign of him. I think most of the Germans speak English on that forum and they also have an option to translate to English.
Great video mate . Its good to know if you might be driving the neighbours potty with the sound of the darts hitting the boards . At least now we have some sort of guide on loudness . Well done .
I think with the Winmau 1978 board was so loud because the steel tip was hitting the back of the board because like you said, the sisal is really soft and goes it much easier and faster so it hits the back of the board and it gave you a very loud result.
@@DartsReviewChannel I am doing some testing at home right now. Have the dart board attached to a 30"x30" plywood board that is _hung_ from two loop hangers and there is 1" of foam behind it and 1/2" in front and it made no f***ing difference. It seems obvious that a quiet dart board would not have wooden backing but would utilize a high density urethane or something that does not make noise once the tip of the dart goes through the fibers and slams into it. Also, I still have to make that bracket out of something else or maybe even hang the board on a swiveling bracket too...
I know there is a company in Germany that started to make cables to hang the board on, so it was free floating in the air. No idea how effective it will be though, was thinking of trying it just to see but I dont have enough space where my board is to be able to spread the cables properly.
@@DartsReviewChannel Update: I took the dart board off AND the backing plate/foam "system" and placed both on the floor, leaning against a wall. Still, it made the same noise. Half the thickness of the target is just a MDF board (glued , compressed sawdust) which makes all the noise. Bracket choices and mounting would impact sound traveling through walls by direct contact. Not the loud "THWACK" tho.. Since I imagine the sisal to be glued to the MDF, there is no way in removing/replacing the MDF board with some soft lumber or urethan, my only other option is burying the entire dart board into foam (back and sides) hoping the sisal does _some_ job in deadening the sound since I can't cover the front in foam as well, LoL.
Which board is the thickest and densest still avaliable today? G3, older B4 or B4dc, newer B5 (im sure the B5 is less?), Nodor Supamatch 2 or 3, or...........
hmm, good question, think I did a sound test on some of the recent reviews, but cant remember which was quietest, dont think there was a lot in it really to be definitive enough, and I also think the sound is something we can hear a bit different but probably the Aspar and the Unicorn Ultra if I remember rightly :)
Awesome video. I got the WIN.MAX 18" Bristle Dartboard Steel Tip Dart Board as a gift and now love playing. Same situation as a lot people, though. Live in an apartment and upstairs neighbor complains about the noise. I have the board mounted to the viper wooden backboard. I have tried with the mounting bracket the set came with and the one80 Rota Fix. The noise seems the same to be honest. I don't mind the "thud" sound, I like it TBH, it's the klink sound that is too loud. It's only when I hit the bullseye or near it. Sounds like metal on metal. I've also tried adhesive foam on the back of the board, furniture skid pads, and extra rubber feet to no avail. I'm starting to think it's the metal wiring around the center and the steel screws. Don't know what else it could be. Do I simply need a new board?
Thanks! I think there is a difference from the centre than the outside when darts hit, the boards sisal is more compressed in the centre so that could be a reason. Also the bullseye is often a kind of metal plug that goes through the full width of the board so its always going to have a different sound like you notice. I dont think you need get a new board just because of that though. I have seen a system in Germany where the board is suspended by steel wires so it hangs off the wall, supposed to reduce sound but I have not had one to test and the way the wires hang I probably wont have the room to install them anyway :)
i think the mounting systems make the difference mainly because there is more stability and less give. the more play u have in the mounting system the quieter the board should be relatively speaking. Its no wonder someone hasnt made some sort of bushing to dampen on the mounting systems.
The differences you observed wouldn't bother me at all. I find the "kathunk" sound of a steel dart hitting a bristle board oddly satisfying however loud it may be. That's one of main reasons that I much prefer steel darts over electric darts. Thanks for the test.
Couldn't agree more. That is a major flaw with plastic darts, they just dont seem real. It's very satisfying like and arrow or bullet striking a target.
Hi Darren, I wish you added the current Blade 5 to this comparison. I bought one some time ago and the noise was unbearable. I got rid of it already. I wonder if it's just me being spoiled by playing at my super silent Bulls Trainer or whether the B5 with the Rota Lock is really that loud. I had Gladiator 3 before that and I can't remember any issues with the noise. I don't have it anymore now and I can't compare it though. Except the Trainer I only have the Bulls Adv 5.01 now which seems to be somewhere in the middle between Blade 5 and the Bulls Trainer. I owned many dartboards in the past and I think Blade 4 and 5 were the loudest dartboards I've ever had. I had Bulls Adv. II, Unicorn Eclipse, Harrows Pro Matchplay, Harrows E.B. Apex Wire, One80 Gladiator 3 and some no names with rounded wires. I'm thinking about getting another G3. I just worry I've been used too much to the silent Bulls Trainer now...
@@DartsReviewChannel Sure it wasn't out. I just used bad words in my comment :-) I meant something like I would like to know how the current B5 compares to these old dartboards. And yeah, I know the Rota Lock probably doesn't help either.
@@elevendarter112 I need to do another test but would like to get a proper sound meter as not sure the mobile is the best thing to use really, guess its ok for an indication of what is quieter though.
hi, can you tell me what is the app called to record the decibel on your phone please and do you have any good tips on how to make your dart board sound quieter please
On a door it will always be a bit noisy as its like hitting a drum in essence. Still worth a try using what I describe but its better on a solid wall really :)
Why does no one review Alien's Tournament Board? I got one recently and am thinking of picking up 2 more for my bar, however I can't find any reviews on them. Are Alien boards too rare?
Ah, that makes sense. The board itself is beautifully bright and has razor thin wires. I have yet to have a bounce out on mine. Love the channel man, cheers from Texas.
Because the alien boards fall apart easily and if you get a bunch they all are misshaped and are horrible. I played a tournament on them and would never buy one
Hi, I have never had a Harrows board to be honest, I keep meaning to buy one but just never got round to it, their Pro Matchplay board looks decent enough, very similar to the Blade boards but not really hear many talk about them.
Can i ask something? I have a robson razor for about 3months now about 3 weeks ago every time i throw around the bulls area my pins has a tendency to bounce is it me or the pins or its the board?
Usually the bulls area is a little more dense, so you could try sharpening your points a little but if they are too sharp that can cause problems also.
@@DartsReviewChannel ok thnx...and looking at my pins now they are a bit shorter every time i compare it with one another...hahaha....but it doesnt mean that im gonna slow down on hitting that board
Hi, I live in Australia where the homes have dry walls i.e. a wood frame with gyprock plaster boards on each side. these form the individual room walls. I've been trying to find out how this product performs in this situation, as these cavity walls tend to act like sound boards for dart boards attached to them. Has any body tested to see how rotafix stops the sound travelling across the house in this situation? thx.
I though it was Natasha who developed it? I cant remember what the one in Germany is called but some guy on a forum started it over there and then I think some one else, or maybe the same guy made a site where they sell it. It uses four steel cables attached to the wall and the board is hooked onto the cables so it is suspended/floating free of the wall but still held tight. My issue with it is the wires have to be spread out so if you dont have the room for it then it wont be any good. :)
@@DartsReviewChannel I found the one you are referring to 40one , quiet a bit different from mine . My one retro fits any standard dartboard and 2 hole hook mount to wall
Cut a piece of carpet the same size as the board, cut holes out for the adjustable feet and center screw. Double side tape the non fluffy side of the carpet to the back of your board. Get some felt furniture sliders that are the same size as the adjustable feet, they have a sticky back already. Mount the board and adjust to the wall. Or use lighter darts.
@@MrLongboarder87 Hahaha or use lighter darts.. . Just to add throw the darts just hard enough to reach and land softly on the board. That should help stop the 6ft 6ins bruiser from next door coming round to punch your lights out 😂.
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0:59 this sounded really painful. Ouch.
lol
I think the roterfix is terrible because it decouples the board from the wall. Which is what it is designed to do to reduce the noise going through the wall But it lets the board resonate louder in room. Also the heavier the back board or cabinet you can use the better.. I suggest a trick we use in audio which is get blue tac and make 3 or 4 big from 10mm to 20mm balls and wedge them around the edge just under the board to
the wall. Blu Tac has this property that is goes rock hard at audio frequencies. It will damp the board from resonating at audio frequencies. And it will couple the board so well to the wall it will damp the wall with the weight of the board also! I tried it and it works.
Nice tip :)
Simple and cheap tip.
I'm going to try this.
Thanks!
Quietest board i've used over the years is the Winmau blade 5 practice board. Much more muted sound than any other board i've played
Personally I kind of like hearing the thump a dart makes hitting the board. That said this is what I've found with my Eclipse Pro mounted very tight to the wall. I use a Viper Defender (foamish) surround. When the surround is on and mounted off the wall by about 1 inch, flush with the front of the board it emits a healthy thump when a dart hits it. When the surround is pushed back so its firm against the wall it seems its muted by about 90%. I'm thinking this shows the sound mostly is telegraphed off the wall. It would have been interesting to see the results in your test of a board suspended on a wire. I bet with any board you'd be showing 20 or less db
yeah I think you may be right, I know there is a company in Germany that sells wires to allow the board to be suspended and its meant to be quieter but I dont think I have enough space where my board is to be able to put the wires up properly :)
@@DartsReviewChannel I've been trying to track down this German system with no luck. Do you have a name or anything to go by?
If not, I was gonna make something of my own by hanging the board from the ceiling with really thin steel cable - like 1/64" - looped to tiny screw hooks in the side of the board. I'd then stick 2" thick acoustic foam panel to my backboard and have the dart board just rest against the foam. Thoughts? My problem isn't the noise of impact itself, but the vibration transferring to that particular wall and up 2 floors into the bedrooms.
@@fungeneer I really cant remember, might be best to ask someone on the German Darts Forum as I think it was there were the idea started. www.dartn-forum.de/ There is also a new one by a guy recently, it was called the Whisper dartboard cabinet, was going to link it to you buy I cant find his channel now lol I have asked someone to let me know if he is still active.
@@DartsReviewChannel thanks for the clues. I'll keep looking around... and possibly learning German in the process. Danke!
@@fungeneer I think the guy who made the Whisper Cabinet thing must have given up on the idea, there is no sign of him. I think most of the Germans speak English on that forum and they also have an option to translate to English.
Great video mate . Its good to know if you might be driving the neighbours potty with the sound of the darts hitting the boards . At least now we have some sort of guide on loudness . Well done .
Thanks! :)
I think with the Winmau 1978 board was so loud because the steel tip was hitting the back of the board because like you said, the sisal is really soft and goes it much easier and faster so it hits the back of the board and it gave you a very loud result.
Yeah quite probably the reason why :)
@@DartsReviewChannel I am doing some testing at home right now. Have the dart board attached to a 30"x30" plywood board that is _hung_ from two loop hangers and there is 1" of foam behind it and 1/2" in front and it made no f***ing difference. It seems obvious that a quiet dart board would not have wooden backing but would utilize a high density urethane or something that does not make noise once the tip of the dart goes through the fibers and slams into it.
Also, I still have to make that bracket out of something else or maybe even hang the board on a swiveling bracket too...
I know there is a company in Germany that started to make cables to hang the board on, so it was free floating in the air. No idea how effective it will be though, was thinking of trying it just to see but I dont have enough space where my board is to be able to spread the cables properly.
@@DartsReviewChannel Update: I took the dart board off AND the backing plate/foam "system" and placed both on the floor, leaning against a wall. Still, it made the same noise. Half the thickness of the target is just a MDF board (glued , compressed sawdust) which makes all the noise. Bracket choices and mounting would impact sound traveling through walls by direct contact. Not the loud "THWACK" tho..
Since I imagine the sisal to be glued to the MDF, there is no way in removing/replacing the MDF board with some soft lumber or urethan, my only other option is burying the entire dart board into foam (back and sides) hoping the sisal does _some_ job in deadening the sound since I can't cover the front in foam as well, LoL.
Yeah the sisal is glued on. Well, good luck with whatever you try :)
Which board is the thickest and densest still avaliable today? G3, older B4 or B4dc, newer B5 (im sure the B5 is less?), Nodor Supamatch 2 or 3, or...........
I dont know to be honest as not tried them all but the Bulls boards are often very dense
What’s the quietest board out of the current crop of boards do you think? I’m trying to make my board as quiet as possible
hmm, good question, think I did a sound test on some of the recent reviews, but cant remember which was quietest, dont think there was a lot in it really to be definitive enough, and I also think the sound is something we can hear a bit different but probably the Aspar and the Unicorn Ultra if I remember rightly :)
Awesome video. I got the WIN.MAX 18" Bristle Dartboard Steel Tip Dart Board as a gift and now love playing. Same situation as a lot people, though. Live in an apartment and upstairs neighbor complains about the noise. I have the board mounted to the viper wooden backboard. I have tried with the mounting bracket the set came with and the one80 Rota Fix. The noise seems the same to be honest. I don't mind the "thud" sound, I like it TBH, it's the klink sound that is too loud. It's only when I hit the bullseye or near it. Sounds like metal on metal. I've also tried adhesive foam on the back of the board, furniture skid pads, and extra rubber feet to no avail. I'm starting to think it's the metal wiring around the center and the steel screws. Don't know what else it could be. Do I simply need a new board?
Thanks! I think there is a difference from the centre than the outside when darts hit, the boards sisal is more compressed in the centre so that could be a reason. Also the bullseye is often a kind of metal plug that goes through the full width of the board so its always going to have a different sound like you notice. I dont think you need get a new board just because of that though. I have seen a system in Germany where the board is suspended by steel wires so it hangs off the wall, supposed to reduce sound but I have not had one to test and the way the wires hang I probably wont have the room to install them anyway :)
@@DartsReviewChannel Appreciate your feedback. Thank you!
Just to say I enjoy your channel alot maybe you could do a progression video on how your darts are improving
Thanks Sean :) Will have a think about that :)
Can you add a Bulls board if you do it again?
i think the mounting systems make the difference mainly because there is more stability and less give. the more play u have in the mounting system the quieter the board should be relatively speaking. Its no wonder someone hasnt made some sort of bushing to dampen on the mounting systems.
Yeah I think it definitely has some impact on the noise.
I actually love loud and noisy dartboard as long as that is not a "cheap" noise
Good job man, ty.
Cheers! :)
The differences you observed wouldn't bother me at all. I find the "kathunk" sound of a steel dart hitting a bristle board oddly satisfying however loud it may be. That's one of main reasons that I much prefer steel darts over electric darts. Thanks for the test.
Yes me too but some people want their boards to be as quiet as possible to avoid disturbing other household members or neighbours :)
Couldn't agree more. That is a major flaw with plastic darts, they just dont seem real. It's very satisfying like and arrow or bullet striking a target.
:)
Hi Darren, I wish you added the current Blade 5 to this comparison. I bought one some time ago and the noise was unbearable. I got rid of it already. I wonder if it's just me being spoiled by playing at my super silent Bulls Trainer or whether the B5 with the Rota Lock is really that loud. I had Gladiator 3 before that and I can't remember any issues with the noise. I don't have it anymore now and I can't compare it though. Except the Trainer I only have the Bulls Adv 5.01 now which seems to be somewhere in the middle between Blade 5 and the Bulls Trainer. I owned many dartboards in the past and I think Blade 4 and 5 were the loudest dartboards I've ever had. I had Bulls Adv. II, Unicorn Eclipse, Harrows Pro Matchplay, Harrows E.B. Apex Wire, One80 Gladiator 3 and some no names with rounded wires. I'm thinking about getting another G3. I just worry I've been used too much to the silent Bulls Trainer now...
dont think it was out then, probably the rota lock wheels on the back, they cause a lot of noise to carry through to the wall and echo.
@@DartsReviewChannel Sure it wasn't out. I just used bad words in my comment :-) I meant something like I would like to know how the current B5 compares to these old dartboards. And yeah, I know the Rota Lock probably doesn't help either.
@@elevendarter112 I need to do another test but would like to get a proper sound meter as not sure the mobile is the best thing to use really, guess its ok for an indication of what is quieter though.
@@DartsReviewChannel Looking forward to it :-)
@@elevendarter112 you found the blade 5 too loud? I don't find it that bad personally. It's loud ish. But bearable
hi, can you tell me what is the app called to record the decibel on your phone please and do you have any good tips on how to make your dart board sound quieter please
Hi Mandy, the app is called Sound Meter. You can add carpet behind the board or those square foam mats they use in gyms work well too.
Hi we have it mounted on a door which sounds quite hollow would you still recommend the things you have described
On a door it will always be a bit noisy as its like hitting a drum in essence. Still worth a try using what I describe but its better on a solid wall really :)
The noisier the dartboard the better, the sound when the darts hit the board is like music
My friends and I agree to this comment fully. My two sleeping toddlers... not so much 😭
Why does no one review Alien's Tournament Board? I got one recently and am thinking of picking up 2 more for my bar, however I can't find any reviews on them. Are Alien boards too rare?
never seen one in the UK so that's why, I think they only sell them in the U.S. but not 100% sure on that?
Ah, that makes sense. The board itself is beautifully bright and has razor thin wires. I have yet to have a bounce out on mine. Love the channel man, cheers from Texas.
I am not sure but they may be made by the people who make the Shot/Bulls boards. Cheers! :)
Sounds like my experience with the Bulls Adv 2
Because the alien boards fall apart easily and if you get a bunch they all are misshaped and are horrible. I played a tournament on them and would never buy one
i think i make a dy ruber surpresor and foam for rotalock on blade 5
sounds good
Hi mate, everywhere all i see is unicorn boards and winmau boards. harrows boards arent relevant anymore ?
are they any good ?
Hi, I have never had a Harrows board to be honest, I keep meaning to buy one but just never got round to it, their Pro Matchplay board looks decent enough, very similar to the Blade boards but not really hear many talk about them.
I just put a white noise machine in the bedroom when the wife wants to sleep.
nice :)
Can i ask something? I have a robson razor for about 3months now about 3 weeks ago every time i throw around the bulls area my pins has a tendency to bounce is it me or the pins or its the board?
Or i should have buy the ONe80 gladator 2?
Usually the bulls area is a little more dense, so you could try sharpening your points a little but if they are too sharp that can cause problems also.
@@DartsReviewChannel ok thnx...and looking at my pins now they are a bit shorter every time i compare it with one another...hahaha....but it doesnt mean that im gonna slow down on hitting that board
:)
What darts were used in this video?
I say around the 2 min mark, 24g Gerwyn Price, review here: www.dartsnutz.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=22348
Hi, I live in Australia where the homes have dry walls i.e. a wood frame with gyprock plaster boards on each side. these form the individual room walls. I've been trying to find out how this product performs in this situation, as these cavity walls tend to act like sound boards for dart boards attached to them. Has any body tested to see how rotafix stops the sound travelling across the house in this situation? thx.
I haven't personally but there is a lot of Australian members on the forum so might be worth asking the question there: www.dartsnutz.net
you should review the 2017 power 8zero darts
Will add to list :)
What is it then mate
What if I said I developed a bracket that brought a DBs down to just under 30 ?
Ive been testing the bracket over a month , board doesnt move and hardly any bounce outs . No sound transferring through to wall
Sounds good to me, is it the one from Germany that is attached to wall with cables?
@@DartsReviewChannel Its something I developed myself , I wasnt aware of the one from Germany ? Do you have any details thanks
I though it was Natasha who developed it? I cant remember what the one in Germany is called but some guy on a forum started it over there and then I think some one else, or maybe the same guy made a site where they sell it. It uses four steel cables attached to the wall and the board is hooked onto the cables so it is suspended/floating free of the wall but still held tight. My issue with it is the wires have to be spread out so if you dont have the room for it then it wont be any good. :)
@@DartsReviewChannel I found the one you are referring to 40one , quiet a bit different from mine . My one retro fits any standard dartboard and 2 hole hook mount to wall
My B4 was noticeably louder after installing the Target Vision 360 lighting system. Not annoying just noticeable.
I think its the way the vision attaches to the board what will be the reason for that :)
Can you please review the L-Style flight and shaft system and the Tak Tak soft tip darts from dartswarehouse.com
I reviewed L stle stuff a long time ago but my hard drive blew before I uploaded it and I never got round to doing it again, will see what I can do.
App pls
anyone got any tips to quieten a board apart from moving it or using a stand. I've got a blade 4 with winmau surround. cheers
Cut a piece of carpet the same size as the board, cut holes out for the adjustable feet and center screw. Double side tape the non fluffy side of the carpet to the back of your board. Get some felt furniture sliders that are the same size as the adjustable feet, they have a sticky back already. Mount the board and adjust to the wall. Or use lighter darts.
@@MrLongboarder87 Hahaha or use lighter darts.. . Just to add throw the darts just hard enough to reach and land softly on the board. That should help stop the 6ft 6ins bruiser from next door coming round to punch your lights out 😂.
all boards are more the less the same in my ears anyhow
I can tell a difference in the sounds the impacts make but not sure how reliable the mobile is at picking up those same differences :)
dartboards make a noise whatever.
yes but some people need to have it as quiet as possible to minimize the disturbing of others in their house or neighbours. :)
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