I rarely comment, but you provided something that a lot of us needed, in a very clear format, and I want to further help the algorithm know that you're great and deserve more subs :)
I also have the clear and the Stellea and I absolutely love them both. i’m currently trying to decide on Hindu noise cancelling headphones and I’m stuck between these two and the new momentum. Do you have any experience with the momentum? Also as a sidenote have you ever tried the utopia?
Yeah Clear and Stellia rock! Especially Stellia. That's a special headphone imo. Owned the Momentum 3s for a bit, they had an overblown bass response and a recessed mid range, but sounded good overall for a BT can to me. Can't comment on Momentum 4. I'd be surprised if they're on a tier with these two unless Sennheiser has massively stepped things up.
My man. It is rare to find someone who can make such a trustworthy and detailed review. What makes your review stand out: + You didn't use EQ (manipulation = no longer the original sound). + You didn't use a Cord & DAC (also manipulation). + You listened to the same songs for a long period of several days. + You specify detail differences like: vocals, brass, guitars, bass, general mids, harshness etc. + You brought in people with great credentials to give their drop-in opinion, and who could express their opinion with a developed vocabulary. - The only thing i'm missing is what you thought of Ease Of Use, like buttons etc. Conclusion: Even though you label yourself as a "Focal guy" (biased) you gave your full summarized opinion of what you actually found during your test period. Which shows you are mature enough to take your feelings, opinions and factual experience into account when making a final judgement. It is obvious that you put in alot of time, effort, feeling and analyzing to make this review. Stellar job, 9/10. I rate most reviews between 1-6/10. I hope you make more reviews like this. I would love to see you make a comparison between SENNHEISER Momentum 4 and Bowers & Wilkings PX7 S2 the same way you did here. And between BW PX8 vs PX72s. If you do, take your time, quality is all that matters. Good work, hope to see more from you.
And more importantly he doesn't have industry affiliations and business motives. Focal Bathys thrives mostly on those types of "reviews", exaggerating their "superiority" and glossing over their measurable flaws (that even show up in their beloved FR charts and Harman curve). By their target curves, PX8 is flawed, too, but as this honest review mentioned, they are just musically superior.
@Balls-Deep-Inside-Your-Momyeah I think slight eq adjustments to the sound are good. Especially for the Bathys where there is a mid range dip, bumping that up along with a bit of the treble just elevated the sound. Also, adding a bit of the sound personalization definitely improves the high end perceived detail
I have now owned the Bathys and PX8, The PX8 differs in sound quality with ANC on and off, with ANC on it sounds fuller and punchier, though I miss the details and space the Bathys had. If I were to choose one for general home use it would be the Bathys, if I were to travel outside the PX8.
Mate you deserve more subs. This review was spot on. Well structured and educating review without annoying filler content. I already have the PX8 on order so cannot wait to give it a go. Cheers
Great review, I listen to a lot of electronic / house music with lots of bass. It seems like the B&W are the best for this. This review has changed my mind was pretty sold on the Bathys, but changed my mind now. The Bathys review actually reminds me of the AKG701 from a few years ago.
I tested them both at a store today and I agree with you , edm sounds the best on PX8. The focal made it sound very forced, However it had more sound staging to it. PX8 puts more emotion behind the instruments.
I bought both and you are definitely spot on. Could not explain it better! BUT, at least for me, I get fatigue from the PX8's when listening for long. They're just too lively sometimes. Maybe I'm getting old lol! I listen to the Bathys 70% of the time.
Excellent detailed review and comparison. One of the best headphone reviewers I’ve seen. Wireless headphones are the future imho, dac, amp and headphone in one with the benefit of ANC, great for smaller homes and shared living/working spaces.
Thank you very much for this comparison between Focal Bathys and Bowers & Wilkins PX8. I also sold my Airpods Max and reserved the PX8. There are many nuances that you mention in your video that are in line with what I'm looking for and in terms of comfort and design, in my humble opinion, I think the B&W PX8 is better positioned than the Focal Bathys
I do have quite a collection of headphones myself and never thought to hear an on point analysis like yours. While I absolutely love Focal in headphones jsut as much as in speakers, they do tend to sound "indirect". This, while in some instances is almost otherworldly in its spatial presentation, tends to give them kind of an "engrossed in thoughts presenting the music from another plane of existence" like feeling. I don't really know how to put it. Like distancing itself from the music in a very elegant way. Thank god there are people on YT who have a better way with words and explanations. So TLDR: thank you for this excellent review.
I just pulled the trigger on the B&W PX8, I've been enjoying the Focals also so I'm eager to see which one I prefer when I receive the B&Ws, my audio addiction 😂 is getting out of hand 😁, we all know this is a never ending struggle 😂
@@gpapa31 kept both as some genres sound better on the PX8, and some on the Bathys, I think the majority of folks would be extremely happy with the PX8 though.
@@jimmycychowski1142 gotcha. I know what you mean it’s exactly the same with speakers. Some speakers play certain type of music better than others and vice versa. I have found B&W to be more all rounders and most good with acoustic/jazz/classical snd EDM stuff.
@@gpapa31 The PX8 has a more exciting expressive engaging sound, while the Focal Bathys are more of a reference sound, I love both so both are keepers. They would be my top 2 currently, with the Amiron Wireless being 3rd, it's sound being more of a reference sound also 😉 to my ears anyway
Great review and greatly appreciated. Really torn now. You have confirmed as I suspected and agree to my tastes too swinging me to the PX8, however the Bathys DAC mode appeals to me. I’m waiting for notification when my local dealer will have both in stock to spend half day. Perhaps the PX8 in 3.5mm mode via my Chord Mojo will suffice for non-mobile listening? Damn I really torn, still haven’t ruled out a wired set and forgo the BT option for sound???? Asaaargh 🤣
@@darranmoore Hi mate! Yeah I have listened to both in wired a fair bit too. The Bathys DAC mode isn't world changing, my preferences by and large remain. All wireless headphones have an internal DAC anyway. Both sound really good wireless, and then there's a step up in clarity even with something like an Apple dongle when wired. As they have internal DACs I wonder what impact a Mojo will have? Do let us know if you try it!
Have you tried EQ? To simply adjust Bathys' frequency response so that it matches PX8? Would you get the best of both then (detail & separation from Bathys + bass energy and fuller midrange of PX8) or not?
Tried it and couldn't find that kind of sound. Bass in the Bathys is good, but could not be compared to the bass in the PX8's. Also, the "surround" presentation in the Bathys, is imposible to replicate on the PX8's, doesn't matter the EQ.
Somehow you are the first reviewer to even discuss this issue. It is as I feared: the Focal seems a bit underwhelming. I wasn't impressed when they allowed the headphone retailers to get their reviews out near the day of the launch for the Bathys, like they had had them in hand for weeks already to try them out. This hobby is niche enough, and it just looks bad if they didn't bother sending out review units to actual reviewers in the industry but did so for the retailers who they know are going to say nothing negative about them, and throw in a sponsorship to sell you overpriced cables. Sheesh. Anyway thanks for the review!
Love the review but what about burning in the PX8 when they have been used as long as your Bathys will they still have the same sound signature. or is burning in headphones a bit of a myth?
Great review. I auditioned both at K55 in Zurich on Tuesday for maybe an hour to an hour and a half so nowhere near as intensively as you but my opinion and conclusions were very similar to yours. I own Sony XM3s which I love but are clearly outclassed by these 2 headphones except for comfort where they are the best. Anyway I was struggling to decide between the 2 but your review is swaying me in favour of the B&Ws. They are definitely a more exciting and engaging listen. To me they are also more comfortable than the Bathys and very slightly more suited to travel as they are marginally less bulky and lighter than the Focals. Thanks again for helping me to reach a conclusion.
i listen to a TON of Aurora, so your review of the PX8 literally made my decision for me. Thank you. Any chance you have any thoughts on PX8 vs PX7 S2E?
I also have the Px8 and the Bathys. I'm finding that on some electronics songs, the Px8 are quite fun, but the Bathys do have a level of clarity, detail that I have not heard, and it therefore hits an emotional place. I have not heard that detail yet in an ANC headphone. But as stated, they are both great headphones.
Thank you very much for the review! Just yesterday I managed to listen to these headphones and I devoted 2 hours to this. I listened to the British first and really liked them (had a lot of experience with the PX7 before). I would like to note the linearity of the sound and pleasant sensations from the tactile materials of the headphones. The French surprised no less and it is worth noting from the premium appearance. Until now, I have not decided which I liked more, because the sensations are divided exactly 50 to 50. I am sure that only a private test is necessary when buying. In my opinion, the British are more suitable for portable use on the road, and the French will be able to open themselves up more for thoughtful listening at home. I tested both without noise reduction turned on. My personal headphones: AKG 240 studio, Momentum, B&O H95.
Zeb this review is fantastic it’s engaging analytical emotionally rich and qualitatively rich , your audio vocabulary is wonderfully rich . Because of the way you combined the qualitative subjective feeling with the technical analysis this is the best technicals comparative review I’ve ever seen looking forward to many more reviews
Im looking for some to watch movies, not streaming high quality from Bluray, most DTS/Atmos sound. Could it be in this case the Bathys are more suitable, because of "bigger stage" you get with this ones? Does anyone has experiences with this?
I’m new to the whole audiophile world.. I’m still getting used to people using words like “warmth” or “meaty” when describing sound quality 😂 but I think I’m learning. Definitely going to subscribe and I’d love to see more on these 2 headphones. I’m trying to decide.. I’m mostly Hard Rock and Hip Hop so bass and highs.
A few minutes in and I know I would prefer the PX8 immensely. I prefer a warmer sound that isn't overly analytical. Though I do also like a wide sound stage, I'm willing to give that up for the tonality that suits me.
Look at you, it's so clear you love holding that px8. Seems the Bathys are great for kicking back and just breathing, but the PX8 clearly make you lean forward and take notice. XD
The px8 are not analogue fully compatible. The connector usb.c to 3.5mm converts any in-it to 24/48 bit so if you want to listen to fully analogue ( vinyl) or hirex - 24/192 or DSD, no good. Returned mine.
Been looking for a thorough sound review on B&W's. Comfort and build are a given if you scouted for reviews on it. Cheers! You are also easy to read, holding the specific headphone while talking about it. Happy to hear you prefer the B&W's, sound quality is something I need to experience but boy do they look stylish!
Thank you! I have been agonizing over which one to buy between these two! After reading and watching every review I could find, most raved about how good the Bathys are, and not a lot of info on the PX8. Although I was leaning towards the PX8, I was on the fence because of the Bathys' stellar reviews. Thanks to your detailed back-to-back review, I'm confident the PX8 is the right choice! Subscribed!
I pulled the trigger on buying the px8 because there was no shop with the bathys anywhere near me. Honestly, I would prefer a wider soundstage and more clarity because that's what I enjoy when listening to music, being able to pick out the details, so that would be a point for the bathys but I'm not a fan of how the bathys look and when you're spending this much on headphones that are designed to be used on the go the aesthetics do matter! I got to test the px8 in the shop and I enjoyed the sound even if it's not technically as neutral etc however it sounds brilliant all the same. The xm5s just sounded cheap in comparison, and I didn't like the h95s as much either although I only listened to 2 or 3 songs on each so it's hardly a fair comparison. This video really helped me feel reassured in just biting the bullet and spending so much. I've watched at least a dozen other videos and they didn't go into as much detail with as much passion and care. The way you go through it is a lot more helpful than just throwing up some charts showing the sound curves. I don't have the dosh to splash around trying all the different headphones at this price range and I have only ever had non ANC wired headphones + AirPods Pro, so that's where I'm coming from when looking at all of these premium anc headphones. I would still buy the bathys as well if I won the lotto just because that type of sound presentation sounds like it's right up my alley. After a short time with the Px8 I am really pleased with them. So, thank you for the video! These kind of thoughtful and honest videos seem rare nowadays.
px7 s2's weakness is its bass, it can get muddled if too bass heavy. Px8 can handle all genres, cuz its bass is actually clear without overwelming mids and highs
Thank you for this informative review. It feels like there is something “ extra “ that i rarely feel watching other ‘top/mainstream’ reviewers, maybe it’s called… honesty. You made it straight to the point. Not so many can describe the sound like you, and i think people buying headphones in this price range are more interested in sound than in other features.
I've had the B&W p7, the "quite old" ones without NC, for quite a while now and they still sound just really good. I tried some other headphones but they just don't hit the same. Could you do a review of the px7 s2's? Because these are quite affordable and want to now if they also have that same sound quality. Btw really nice review and the explanations of the sound of the headphones where really good.
Imo the “meatiness” is a tuning issue with the bathys. Resolve from headphone show posted the frequency response of the bathys. It follows the harman target but between 500-1k hz there is a 4-5 db dip. I would suggest you try the focal app eq and do a +3db boost for 1k. If that doesn’t fix it then try +6db boost. Leave all else equal.
congrats for this great review! I believe you also published a great post on head-fi post. Super useful and timely. Love the detailed account, track examples and tidbits. Hope you will published more in the future. For instance, a comparison across your Focal headphones would be great! Cheers from France!
Just got the PX8 in and it feels premium all around. Been wearing it for like 7 hours straight now and it's still comfier than any other headset I've owned. Took about 5 to 6 hours for me to start noticing the warmth of the headset in a 20 degrees Celcius environment. The physical buttons are really nice. One complaint would be the feature that detects when you wearing your headset or not. It really does stop music when you are still wearing the headset. For me, it's fine to turn this off.
EXCELLENT review. IMHO, without having listened to the PX8, the built-in DAC on the Focals is the clincher. Not having to deal with a cumbersome dongle-DAC setup is a big win. I have a new Dragonfly Cobalt that I’m sad & excited to return. 😂 Really like being able to get to the 192 material on Apple Music and not limited to 96 as with the Cobalt. Again, top-notch review. Hope you keep at it. 👏
It looks like in general Bowers and Wilkins voice their headphones for maximum excitement, in a more consumer sort of way. Focals are more about detail and refinement, and are quite targeted towards audiophiles.
There are a lot of audiophiles who love a good bass response and luscious mids though, I understand what you mean nonetheless. I usually Focals are usually a very exciting listen, Bathys are just tuned differently.
@@engineeringart6345 yes, love both my Focal Radiance and B&W P5 blue Maserati edition for those reasons that you mentioned. BTW As a FoCAL (😂) fan yourself, would you say that the B&W PX8 comes close to the sound quality of something like the Radiance?
@@gwapster13 I really can't say as I've sadly not tried the radiance, but really want to. I have owned Elegia and Celestee and have a Clear & Stellia now, those to me are brilliant. I think most people would be better off getting a PX8 over a Elegia or Celestee, while both of those offer a more detailed sound (slightly) they also have timbre issues, and a weaker mid range performance. For vocals and guitars, I'd always pick a PX8 over an Elegia. Staging, seperation and detail goes to Elegia/Celestee though. But they're not anywhere near something like a Clear in performance, so if you're going for a closed back, I think B&W signature is more conducive to those limitations.
Thank you for doing this comparison video. I found it very useful the way you’ve described both headphones. I have the Sony XM3 currently (and I really do like their bombastic sound. However I am looking for an upgrade for headphones that sound more open and that don’t make my ears hot.
Thanks for a wonderful review. No time wasted ‘unboxing’… A quick question if I may. With ANC activated on the B&Ws is the audio quality deteriorated? The reason I ask, is that my 5 year old PXs sound v v good without the ANC. When it’s activated, they sound muffled - can only really use for watching TV & movies with ANC. Thank you
Thank you for such a detailed review! The way you describe the characteristic for these headphones give me clear image of how they present music. In my country, It is hard to find a store had all the ANC headphones I want to try. After watching your video, I bought px8 yesterday, may arrive recently. Really excited about it.
Thank you for this review. No one really reviews Bowers and Wilkins and I have 4 of their headphones. The PX7s being my work horse. However I love Focal, I have the clear MG and love them. So this is a review I needed man!! Thank you 🙏🏾 oh and I just subscribed
Thank you for the review. It was great! Just a shame that you don't have the PX7 S2 with you as well to compare how much of a jump in quality you get by choosing the PX8
It's not a huge jump from the Px7 s2 to the Px8. They both are great. In my opinion however, the Px8 is sharper, more clear, the base is tighter and the build quality is on another level. If you have the money, get the Px8! If not, the Px7 s2 are also great.
@@step0251 Thank you! My main concern with B&W wireless headphones is their usual 150-300 hz bump in the frequency response, to which I am very sensible. It makes me hear all music muddy easily. Also, I need some 3 or 4 dB recess in the 8k-9khz range as well. Unfortunately, not many raw frequency response graphs have been published for the PX7 S2 and PX8. I definitely didn't like the PX7 sound, and I am hoping not much of it is carried over to the newer models.
@@blinsmaslom3263 I'm not sure if I'd call them overrated. People just hear differently and have different sound preferences (although there are features in sound that are liked universally), and index differently for features in wireless headphones. For things not sound-quality related, I definitely love the PX series aesthetics, just want decent ANC (with little generated pressure) and transparency mode, good mic quality, and don't care much about wear sensors and most other smart features. I hope you do find the headphones that are right for you. The ANC-headphones market is very mature now and there are plenty of options out there. Cheers!
@@kvnngkronos I was talking about sound quality specifically, they just sounded artificial and unengaging to me, and with no subbass. I much prefer Sennheiser Momentum 3, although I appreciate that their bass might not be everyone's cup of tea. I also highly recommend the B&O H8i on-ears - they sound incredible (even with no AptX) and can be picked up second hand really cheaply these days. They sound a bit different than the H95, but not worse.
hats off to you. you had me with the intro saying you would directly go to the sound. indeed who cares about that you need to swipe or push a button when you obviously are buying these headphones for the sound ! the only gripe I had is that its not usable in passive mode and I wonder how long the battery will go...
For me, the Bathys play perfect. I love the details and clarity, the wide soundstage and the bass rumbles clean and deep. If I‘m in the mood for more direct, more „in my face“ and potentially ridiculously loud music, I plug in my Vision Ears VE7 custom in ears. But nice review (except the person in the background who’s constantly entering and leaving the room) and good point, that on the road, wide stage isn’t that important as punchy, forward. 🙋🏻
Thanks! Bathys are a great headphone, we're lucky to have ANC headphones at this level now. As for the person you spotted, perhaps it's a ghost, as there wasn't anyone else in my apartment.
I've only tried PX7 S2 but when you mentioned how it pans the audio image is just completely different spectrum on other headphones with huge soundstage. I can use reference monitors if i'm looking for detail but usually i'm looking for meatyness with dark/warm sound signature but in one of the other comparision reviews PX7 S2 vs PX8 someone mentioned PX7 S2 are brighter when compared with PX8...i don't know how valid that claim is..have you tried PX7 S2? is PX8 worth the upgrade if i can still return the PX7 S2 after A-B testing?
Amazing review, thanks for your thoughts. I’m currently considering the PX8 since I can get a very good price for an open box model for $599 cad instead of $899.
MORE REVIEWS AND COMPARISONS,PLEASE! The reason there are few quality reviews, and many ads, pretending to be reviews, is because TH-cam really sucks now. They cater to massive corporations. It’s gross. It crushes innovation and creativity. You got over 30,000 views for just one video, you are already ahead of the game. More??? Pweese?
Great way to start first video , you sound like a pro , well done and thanks a lot for a very spot on , straightforward and informative video, am sure you will have more subscribers soon .. you nailed it man
Great video mate, I went into Selfridges London and tried to compare the Bathys to the Bowers & Wilkins PX 8, unfortunately the Focals wouldn’t connect to my Sony WM1Z for some reason but the PX 8 had no problem. On my brief listen I agree with your comments regarding the sound of the Bowers & Wilkins. Also on handling the Focals they seemed cheap compared to the finish and feel of the Bowers & Wilkins. Also if you are near or in London go to either Harrods or Selfridges and have a listen to the passive TWS Noble Fokus Pro, it’s a hybrid three driver two BA and one Dynamic driver. At Canjam London me and my friend who is a world class musician purchased then within 5 minutes of listening to them. I already own a Noble Sage and K10. They have recently also released their hybrid two driver noise cancelling TWS the Fokus H-ANC, both are tuned by the Wizard felon Noble Audio. I already own the Bowers Wilkins P9 that sounds fantastic out of my Hugo 2. When I have a spare Saturday will go to Audio Sanctury in London and have a good listen and compare the Bathys to the Bowers Wilkins PX8 and decide which one to purchase.
What an informative and excellent comment! Great to know both cans are on demo in London. For some reason Selfridges pop a DJ by their headphone section, and they let you demo open backed headphones...I always found that funny. Anyway, I'll take your advice on the Falcon's, it's hard finding good tws. How do you like P9 with WM1z by the way? I too enjoy it thoroughly on the Hugo. Amazing pairing.
Hi, Sorry for the late reply but I have had a virus. I haven’t really listened to my P9 yet to my Sony WM1Z as soon as I am better I will give it a try and let you know. My Shangling Mo even drives my P9. My Sony WM1Z was a European version and it’s only just out of warranty and therefore have recently jail breaker it to put Mr Walkman’s software on it that includes High Gain. I have mainly used my Sony Walkman with my Noble K10 and custom 64 Audio A18T. I have been thinking of pick-up sometime later next year that Focal Radience. I haven’t been using the P9 much as at home I tend to grab my Aeon 2 or LCD- XC, I must use them more often, on Convince Me Audio’s review he recommends the need at least 200 hours burn in to open up, I think mine have done no more than 20 to 40 hours so far. Last weekend I managed to pick a pair of Bang & Olufsen H95 for £549, got £230 of the retail price at my local B&O shop as they are having a sale until the 13 November, the sale is also online, you just need to subscribe to their newsletter and they will send you a code. Just like them PX8 the build quality and finish is fantastic!
First of all I would like to thank you for your review. I really like your Review of boths and I can confirm a lot of your facts also from my personal point of view. I have listened to both for several hours just in the shop. I had very clear preferences, when I went into the shop. I had and hopefully will have the B&W Sound System in my V60 and I already owned the PI7. But I also own Focal Clear. I very often listen to classical music. I have tested with an Astell Kern Cube and a Samsung Galaxy Mobile Phone. I tested with a lot of different classical sounds, Dire Straits, Daft Punk, fellow n' friends. The clear sound of the Focal expecially with 24bit sounds is absolutely amazing. The bass ist precisely but not mainstream compatible. For my personal opinion the power of the bass of the B&W is a lot to much. There is a lot more than I knew from the PI7. To get a kind of stage the focal provides a lot more transparency. From a cost perspective I expected the PX8 with 599, but this was increase shortly before market start up to 699 and this was from my perspective a failure of B&W. Compare both headphones to the market like Sony or Apple they are far away in ANC and calling, but the major plus is the sound at all. From the handling and feeling they are both well created and outstanding at all. The material, the buttons are very good. From an integration perspective I think the Apps are bad related to the amazing look and feel of the hardware. So in the end I have bought the Focal Bathys because they just fit better to my personal requirements. From my personal view, the sound quality between the PX7.2 and the PX8 are not that large, that the price is understandable for me. If I had bought the B&W or maybe I will do in future, I would buy the PX7.2. Again this is just an additional personal opinion and I really like your review. Thanks a lot. Have a good day.
Thanks for your input and sharing your source devices! The Bathys are a great bit of kit I hope you enjoy them. It's nice ANC headphones are getting so good. Must admit I'm a little envious of the B&W system you're getting in the V60, that will surely be awesome.
I returned my PX8 for the SoundCore Q45 as the sound and NC was better. PX8 has a very slightly better sound stage but i choose sound quality over the sound stage
Interesting. I used to have Focal Clear, which I sold because I didn’t really like them: technically great, but not engaging. Now, listening to your Bathys impression, this is exactly what I disliked about Clear. I guess this is what Focal trademark sound is.
I wish you could compare the B&W PX8 to the B&O H95, I'm really torn between them, on one hand I used to have B&O H9 and it was great but I wanted to try a new thing I've always wanted to try the B&W, but on the other hand I'm so used to touch control that I can't imagine go back to buttons.. Thanks anyway for this thorough review.
I have seen people on head fi comparing H95 with bathys/px8. It seems they unanimously prefer the focal/b&w cans. I think at the moment there are tiers, H95 = Airpods Max < PX8/Bathys/ML9505. Given the very large gap in performance I'm hearing between Airpods Max and the PX8 Id expect the H95 to not compete here.
@@falcodarkzz I'm actually looking for an upgrade from my B&O H95, the sound is decent (I'm using a hi-res codec, which you can't get with an iPhone), but not befitting the pricetag price. Love the ergonomics and the looks, but the oil-obsorbing headband is a filthy disaster and paint is slowly coming off the lambskin earcups. So I'd love a similar comparison between the PX8 and the Mark Levinson 5909.
Sorry for my russian. The next review can be copy-pasted to google translate if you are interested to check my feedback for this line of headphones. Сегодня послушал: 1) B&W PX7 S2 (8-е не подвезли в Дубай ;( ) - все хвалебные отзывы в интернете - п...здё..ь! Мусорные уши с дерьмовейшим звуком и отвратительно неудобно мешающие на голове. Одел и удивился нелепому балтанию наушников на ушах. Включил треки из тидла - и просто не мог поверить, что за мерзкое качество музыки полилось мне в уши. Максимально негативное впечатление. А я фанат бренда ;( Разочарован! В магазине пообщался с консультантом - сошлись на 100% в негативном впечатлении о ушах. 2) Sony WH1000XM5 - самые удобные уши, что я мерял. А я намерялся всякого за годы поисков удовлетворяющих наушников ))) Их материал, форма, и вес - это ВАУ. Лучшее подавление внешних шумов на рынке. Отличный микрофон. Цена демократическая. Но звук... Блин... Он нормальный. Но никакого удовольсствия вообще. Влюбляет качество материалов и комфорт - но звук отталкивает. Даже за смешные 430$ - я такой звук слушать не буду. Пишу сейчас отзыв. Слушаю музыку в старых своих затычках. И рад, что не перешёл на звук ниже уровня. Кривил бы лицом, как от невкусной еды. 3) Sony WH1000XM4 - звук получше, чем в новых ХМ5. Но криклив и бас менее сбалансирован. В остальном - немного хуже новой модели. 4) iPhone Airpods Max - звук приятный. качественный массмаркетовский звук. На три головы выше, чем сони. Но нет в нём чего-то выделяющегося/живого/душевного. Видимо - хотели всем угодить. Звук однозначно лучше многих конкурентов. Я бы такой слушал каждый день. Признавал бы, что есть вещи получше. Но удовольствие получал бы. По комфорту - тоже всё ок - не раздражают и не впечатляют. Просто сидят на голове и не мешают. ;) Эрганомика с большой кнопкой меня вымораживает. Но это субъективщина и можно привыкнуть. Из минусов - это забагованый кривой переломаный функционал. Микрофон сначала записывал голос зум митинга, из которого я давно вышел. А потом пытался записать мой голос - и выдавал просто непонятные звуки, вместо голоса. Короче даже в связке с родным айфоном - всё дико глючит ))) Если кто-то рядом в толпе кому-то что то крикнет - шумка вырубится, музыка вырубится, и вам уши проорут слова человека на ухо. Короче намудрили. Из-за кривого забагованого ПО и нерабочего микрофона - точно нет. Да и цена - неоправдано высока. Хотя, по комфорту и звуку - это достойный массмаркетовский средняк. Любители яблока и их "премиального" массмаркета - разберут. 5) Bang-Olufsen BEOPLAY H95 - звук настолько ВЫШЕ уровнем всего, что слушал сегодня!!! Что после них ничего другого слушать НЕ хочется. Вообще. Это эталон среди беспроводных ушей по звуку. 1300$ в Дубай - по мне достойная этого звука цена. Но есть серьёзный залёт: их дуговое крепление, как будто из наждачки сделано. У меня от него зудит голова. Оно давит. Регулировки не спасают. Голову как-будто режут )) Уши тяжёлые - и это усиливает давление. Когда гуляешь - может немного добавляться трение от болтанки. Говорят, я первый с таким фидбеком. Но мне дискомфортно. Возможно, виной мои очень короткие волосы и чувствительная кожа. Не могу представить несколько часов в этих ушах. Продавцы порекомендовали слушать наушники в кепке. :D Резюме: Супер звук и отвратительные по комфорту на голове наушники. Тяжеловаты, что в сочитании с жесткой прокладкой - чувствуется. Шумоподавление проигрывает Сони. Это бесит. С такой ценой - могли бы сделать его лучше. 6) Как итог - я купил эппловский адаптер на мини джек за 10$ и продолжил юзать свои добитые затычки от B&W. Брал их давно за смешные деньги на фоне конукрентов выше. до сих пор лучше ушей по параметрам: комфорт+звук - не нашёл. увы ;( Ищу шанс найти где-то на тест Focal Bathys - вдруг случится чудо и зайдут. В px8 - не верю. но потестил бы тоже. Может кто посоветует БЕСПРОВОДНЫЕ закрытые уши с бюджетом до 20,000$ ? Должны звучать, как Bang-Olufsen BEOPLAY H95 или лучше. Быть комфортными, как Sony :D
@@leonasj9633 у них есть дефекты. но я себе купил. доволен. Короч звук очень нравится. Но через usb провод просто на голову выше, чем по блютузу. BO правда круче по звуку. Оч удобные... Но сырые. Много дефектов которые испрвят мб в след версии. Например как писк в ушах от электроники. Ничего пока с этми сделать не могут. Не брак.
I rarely comment, but you provided something that a lot of us needed, in a very clear format, and I want to further help the algorithm know that you're great and deserve more subs :)
I agree with this wholeheartedly
Hey, can you tell me this please? Which one reaches a higher volume?
I also have the clear and the Stellea and I absolutely love them both. i’m currently trying to decide on Hindu noise cancelling headphones and I’m stuck between these two and the new momentum. Do you have any experience with the momentum? Also as a sidenote have you ever tried the utopia?
Yeah Clear and Stellia rock! Especially Stellia. That's a special headphone imo. Owned the Momentum 3s for a bit, they had an overblown bass response and a recessed mid range, but sounded good overall for a BT can to me. Can't comment on Momentum 4. I'd be surprised if they're on a tier with these two unless Sennheiser has massively stepped things up.
My man. It is rare to find someone who can make such a trustworthy and detailed review.
What makes your review stand out:
+ You didn't use EQ (manipulation = no longer the original sound).
+ You didn't use a Cord & DAC (also manipulation).
+ You listened to the same songs for a long period of several days.
+ You specify detail differences like: vocals, brass, guitars, bass, general mids, harshness etc.
+ You brought in people with great credentials to give their drop-in opinion, and who could express their opinion with a developed vocabulary.
- The only thing i'm missing is what you thought of Ease Of Use, like buttons etc.
Conclusion: Even though you label yourself as a "Focal guy" (biased) you gave your full summarized opinion of what you actually found during your test period. Which shows you are mature enough to take your feelings, opinions and factual experience into account when making a final judgement. It is obvious that you put in alot of time, effort, feeling and analyzing to make this review. Stellar job, 9/10. I rate most reviews between 1-6/10.
I hope you make more reviews like this. I would love to see you make a comparison between SENNHEISER Momentum 4 and Bowers & Wilkings PX7 S2 the same way you did here. And between BW PX8 vs PX72s. If you do, take your time, quality is all that matters.
Good work, hope to see more from you.
And more importantly he doesn't have industry affiliations and business motives. Focal Bathys thrives mostly on those types of "reviews", exaggerating their "superiority" and glossing over their measurable flaws (that even show up in their beloved FR charts and Harman curve). By their target curves, PX8 is flawed, too, but as this honest review mentioned, they are just musically superior.
Totally agree, love the approach of listening not just measuring.
@Balls-Deep-Inside-Your-Momyeah I think slight eq adjustments to the sound are good. Especially for the Bathys where there is a mid range dip, bumping that up along with a bit of the treble just elevated the sound. Also, adding a bit of the sound personalization definitely improves the high end perceived detail
I hope this is not going to be your only youtube test! Excellent review , great very clear sound descriptions impressions.
I have now owned the Bathys and PX8, The PX8 differs in sound quality with ANC on and off, with ANC on it sounds fuller and punchier, though I miss the details and space the Bathys had. If I were to choose one for general home use it would be the Bathys, if I were to travel outside the PX8.
Extraordinaryly detailed and accordingly complex review with great understanding of audiophile standards, superb💥
Now this is a proper review. Like what a review really means. I didn't know about this channel before, so it's a pleasant surprise.
Mate you deserve more subs. This review was spot on. Well structured and educating review without annoying filler content. I already have the PX8 on order so cannot wait to give it a go.
Cheers
Hey… what about me… I just Sub’s because his sight is so dam good! Awesome channel!
Great review, I listen to a lot of electronic / house music with lots of bass. It seems like the B&W are the best for this. This review has changed my mind was pretty sold on the Bathys, but changed my mind now. The Bathys review actually reminds me of the AKG701 from a few years ago.
I tested them both at a store today and I agree with you , edm sounds the best on PX8. The focal made it sound very forced, However it had more sound staging to it. PX8 puts more emotion behind the instruments.
I bought both and you are definitely spot on. Could not explain it better! BUT, at least for me, I get fatigue from the PX8's when listening for long. They're just too lively sometimes. Maybe I'm getting old lol! I listen to the Bathys 70% of the time.
PX8 fatigue is real. Bathys is to me not the only option at this range. Mark Levinson 5909.
your comment about fatigue makes a lot of sense.
Wow. Useful review on TH-cam. Very rare nowadays and much appreciated.
Excellent detailed review and comparison. One of the best headphone reviewers I’ve seen. Wireless headphones are the future imho, dac, amp and headphone in one with the benefit of ANC, great for smaller homes and shared living/working spaces.
Awesome KEF just released MU7
Would like to see it go head to head with PX8 though I think the B&W will probably win
Great comparison mate, I was decided on the Bathys but now I'll need to check out the PX8s too
lol, same
PX8s are also cheaper
Thank you very much for this comparison between Focal Bathys and Bowers & Wilkins PX8. I also sold my Airpods Max and reserved the PX8. There are many nuances that you mention in your video that are in line with what I'm looking for and in terms of comfort and design, in my humble opinion, I think the B&W PX8 is better positioned than the Focal Bathys
Great, hope they deliver!
Worth picking px8's instead of maxes?
I do have quite a collection of headphones myself and never thought to hear an on point analysis like yours. While I absolutely love Focal in headphones jsut as much as in speakers, they do tend to sound "indirect". This, while in some instances is almost otherworldly in its spatial presentation, tends to give them kind of an "engrossed in thoughts presenting the music from another plane of existence" like feeling. I don't really know how to put it. Like distancing itself from the music in a very elegant way. Thank god there are people on YT who have a better way with words and explanations. So TLDR: thank you for this excellent review.
I just pulled the trigger on the B&W PX8, I've been enjoying the Focals also so I'm eager to see which one I prefer when I receive the B&Ws, my audio addiction 😂 is getting out of hand 😁, we all know this is a never ending struggle 😂
Which one did you end up keeping?
@@gpapa31 kept both as some genres sound better on the PX8, and some on the Bathys, I think the majority of folks would be extremely happy with the PX8 though.
@@jimmycychowski1142 gotcha. I know what you mean it’s exactly the same with speakers. Some speakers play certain type of music better than others and vice versa. I have found B&W to be more all rounders and most good with acoustic/jazz/classical snd EDM stuff.
@@gpapa31 The PX8 has a more exciting expressive engaging sound, while the Focal Bathys are more of a reference sound, I love both so both are keepers.
They would be my top 2 currently, with the Amiron Wireless being 3rd, it's sound being more of a reference sound also 😉 to my ears anyway
Ah man what I’ve been waiting for. [settles back and relaxes…]
Great review and greatly appreciated. Really torn now. You have confirmed as I suspected and agree to my tastes too swinging me to the PX8, however the Bathys DAC mode appeals to me. I’m waiting for notification when my local dealer will have both in stock to spend half day. Perhaps the PX8 in 3.5mm mode via my Chord Mojo will suffice for non-mobile listening? Damn I really torn, still haven’t ruled out a wired set and forgo the BT option for sound???? Asaaargh 🤣
@@darranmoore Hi mate! Yeah I have listened to both in wired a fair bit too. The Bathys DAC mode isn't world changing, my preferences by and large remain. All wireless headphones have an internal DAC anyway. Both sound really good wireless, and then there's a step up in clarity even with something like an Apple dongle when wired. As they have internal DACs I wonder what impact a Mojo will have? Do let us know if you try it!
Have you tried EQ? To simply adjust Bathys' frequency response so that it matches PX8?
Would you get the best of both then (detail & separation from Bathys + bass energy and fuller midrange of PX8) or not?
Tried it and couldn't find that kind of sound. Bass in the Bathys is good, but could not be compared to the bass in the PX8's. Also, the "surround" presentation in the Bathys, is imposible to replicate on the PX8's, doesn't matter the EQ.
Somehow you are the first reviewer to even discuss this issue. It is as I feared: the Focal seems a bit underwhelming. I wasn't impressed when they allowed the headphone retailers to get their reviews out near the day of the launch for the Bathys, like they had had them in hand for weeks already to try them out. This hobby is niche enough, and it just looks bad if they didn't bother sending out review units to actual reviewers in the industry but did so for the retailers who they know are going to say nothing negative about them, and throw in a sponsorship to sell you overpriced cables. Sheesh. Anyway thanks for the review!
Love the review but what about burning in the PX8 when they have been used as long as your Bathys will they still have the same sound signature. or is burning in headphones a bit of a myth?
Great review. I auditioned both at K55 in Zurich on Tuesday for maybe an hour to an hour and a half so nowhere near as intensively as you but my opinion and conclusions were very similar to yours. I own Sony XM3s which I love but are clearly outclassed by these 2 headphones except for comfort where they are the best. Anyway I was struggling to decide between the 2 but your review is swaying me in favour of the B&Ws. They are definitely a more exciting and engaging listen. To me they are also more comfortable than the Bathys and very slightly more suited to travel as they are marginally less bulky and lighter than the Focals. Thanks again for helping me to reach a conclusion.
What I haven't seen that may be interesting to do is a px7s2 vs px8
Great review. The best review I found on B&W Px8. Subscribed for your future youtube.
Thx for that detailed review! More personal question, what is your favourite overall headphones that u own?
i listen to a TON of Aurora, so your review of the PX8 literally made my decision for me. Thank you. Any chance you have any thoughts on PX8 vs PX7 S2E?
I got the Px8 - so great! I totally agree with your and your girlfriend's opinion. Thank you both!
The beoplay h95 sound was very disappointing. Just thought I’d say that.
I also have the Px8 and the Bathys. I'm finding that on some electronics songs, the Px8 are quite fun, but the Bathys do have a level of clarity, detail that I have not heard, and it therefore hits an emotional place. I have not heard that detail yet in an ANC headphone. But as stated, they are both great headphones.
Have you ever had a chance to try the Mark Levinson 5909? I'm really curious as to how those compare to the Bathys and the Px8.
Thank you very much for the review! Just yesterday I managed to listen to these headphones and I devoted 2 hours to this. I listened to the British first and really liked them (had a lot of experience with the PX7 before). I would like to note the linearity of the sound and pleasant sensations from the tactile materials of the headphones. The French surprised no less and it is worth noting from the premium appearance. Until now, I have not decided which I liked more, because the sensations are divided exactly 50 to 50. I am sure that only a private test is necessary when buying. In my opinion, the British are more suitable for portable use on the road, and the French will be able to open themselves up more for thoughtful listening at home. I tested both without noise reduction turned on. My personal headphones: AKG 240 studio, Momentum, B&O H95.
Zeb this review is fantastic it’s engaging analytical emotionally rich and qualitatively rich , your audio vocabulary is wonderfully rich . Because of the way you combined the qualitative subjective feeling with the technical analysis this is the best technicals comparative review I’ve ever seen looking forward to many more reviews
Im looking for some to watch movies, not streaming high quality from Bluray, most DTS/Atmos sound. Could it be in this case the Bathys are more suitable, because of "bigger stage" you get with this ones? Does anyone has experiences with this?
What an amazing review. You helped me a LOT!!! Thank you so much for such a good video
I’m new to the whole audiophile world.. I’m still getting used to people using words like “warmth” or “meaty” when describing sound quality 😂 but I think I’m learning. Definitely going to subscribe and I’d love to see more on these 2 headphones. I’m trying to decide.. I’m mostly Hard Rock and Hip Hop so bass and highs.
@dboy Bathys changed my music genre preference. I used to listen to rock and R&B most of time but Glenn Gould on Bathys is so mesmerising.
Does PX8 show any indication of receiving AptX Adaptive in its App or from light indicators? So not just Apt X, but specifically AptX Adaptive?
Hi there. The px8 are aptx adaptive for sure. It's formally on the bottom of the box too
@@brothatwasepicyou didnt answer the question.
Great review! Incredibly informative & helpful. I've been looking at both & really appreciate the honest comparison. Thanks!
A few minutes in and I know I would prefer the PX8 immensely. I prefer a warmer sound that isn't overly analytical. Though I do also like a wide sound stage, I'm willing to give that up for the tonality that suits me.
A really clear and thoughtful review. Is there a chance you could throw the Mark Levinson No. 5909 into the mix for the ultimate comparison?
Look at you, it's so clear you love holding that px8. Seems the Bathys are great for kicking back and just breathing, but the PX8 clearly make you lean forward and take notice. XD
Excellent and thorough review. Thank you! This helps tremendously on my purchase decision.
The px8 are not analogue fully compatible. The connector usb.c to 3.5mm converts any in-it to 24/48 bit so if you want to listen to fully analogue ( vinyl) or hirex - 24/192 or DSD, no good. Returned mine.
Been looking for a thorough sound review on B&W's. Comfort and build are a given if you scouted for reviews on it. Cheers! You are also easy to read, holding the specific headphone while talking about it. Happy to hear you prefer the B&W's, sound quality is something I need to experience but boy do they look stylish!
Much better review compared to most, not only thanks for doing a review that is needed but also doing it well.
Excellent review. Very detailed review on the sound quality of each. Thanks
Thank you! I have been agonizing over which one to buy between these two! After reading and watching every review I could find, most raved about how good the Bathys are, and not a lot of info on the PX8. Although I was leaning towards the PX8, I was on the fence because of the Bathys' stellar reviews. Thanks to your detailed back-to-back review, I'm confident the PX8 is the right choice! Subscribed!
I pulled the trigger on buying the px8 because there was no shop with the bathys anywhere near me. Honestly, I would prefer a wider soundstage and more clarity because that's what I enjoy when listening to music, being able to pick out the details, so that would be a point for the bathys but I'm not a fan of how the bathys look and when you're spending this much on headphones that are designed to be used on the go the aesthetics do matter! I got to test the px8 in the shop and I enjoyed the sound even if it's not technically as neutral etc however it sounds brilliant all the same. The xm5s just sounded cheap in comparison, and I didn't like the h95s as much either although I only listened to 2 or 3 songs on each so it's hardly a fair comparison.
This video really helped me feel reassured in just biting the bullet and spending so much. I've watched at least a dozen other videos and they didn't go into as much detail with as much passion and care. The way you go through it is a lot more helpful than just throwing up some charts showing the sound curves. I don't have the dosh to splash around trying all the different headphones at this price range and I have only ever had non ANC wired headphones + AirPods Pro, so that's where I'm coming from when looking at all of these premium anc headphones. I would still buy the bathys as well if I won the lotto just because that type of sound presentation sounds like it's right up my alley. After a short time with the Px8 I am really pleased with them.
So, thank you for the video! These kind of thoughtful and honest videos seem rare nowadays.
How would you compare the PX8 to the PX7 S2 in terms of sound difference?
px7 s2's weakness is its bass, it can get muddled if too bass heavy. Px8 can handle all genres, cuz its bass is actually clear without overwelming mids and highs
Thank you for this informative review. It feels like there is something “ extra “ that i rarely feel watching other ‘top/mainstream’ reviewers, maybe it’s called… honesty. You made it straight to the point. Not so many can describe the sound like you, and i think people buying headphones in this price range are more interested in sound than in other features.
I've had the B&W p7, the "quite old" ones without NC, for quite a while now and they still sound just really good. I tried some other headphones but they just don't hit the same. Could you do a review of the px7 s2's? Because these are quite affordable and want to now if they also have that same sound quality.
Btw really nice review and the explanations of the sound of the headphones where really good.
Imo the “meatiness” is a tuning issue with the bathys. Resolve from headphone show posted the frequency response of the bathys. It follows the harman target but between 500-1k hz there is a 4-5 db dip. I would suggest you try the focal app eq and do a +3db boost for 1k. If that doesn’t fix it then try +6db boost. Leave all else equal.
Thank you for the review. I was waiting for someone to post something on the new PX8.
Excellent review. Subscribed!
Which of these have the bigger ear cups?
Very good review!
I want to buy the PX8 and use it with an iPhone. Is it worth it? because I can only play the AAC format...I use Apple Music!
Yes it sounds very good indeed with AAC, that's how I tested them both.
@@engineeringart6345 thx!
@Bernd Hofmann Fantastic, thanks for letting us know!
I'm thinking of an upgrade from px ... Probably go for px8
congrats for this great review! I believe you also published a great post on head-fi post. Super useful and timely. Love the detailed account, track examples and tidbits. Hope you will published more in the future. For instance, a comparison across your Focal headphones would be great! Cheers from France!
What a great review. Subbed!!
Viewed, liked and subscribed. Great review and comparison!!
Just got the PX8 in and it feels premium all around. Been wearing it for like 7 hours straight now and it's still comfier than any other headset I've owned. Took about 5 to 6 hours for me to start noticing the warmth of the headset in a 20 degrees Celcius environment. The physical buttons are really nice. One complaint would be the feature that detects when you wearing your headset or not. It really does stop music when you are still wearing the headset. For me, it's fine to turn this off.
Now only the Mark Levinson No.5909 is missing for the ultimate test. Very good review.
Best comparison of the two headphones. You have earned a subscriber , thank you so much .
Px8 Will be delivered on coming Wed. Can’t wait
Thanks for introducing me to these headphones. Peace.
Thanks for the excellent honest, detailed comparison. I was considering the PX8's and this has given me a useful steer.
Great review. Agreed with others - how do you only have 200 subs?
Wonderful review. Thank you, this was just what I was looking for.
I think you're spot on with the conclusion for what you need in a portable headphone vs. one you want at your desk/listening spot.
EXCELLENT review. IMHO, without having listened to the PX8, the built-in DAC on the Focals is the clincher. Not having to deal with a cumbersome dongle-DAC setup is a big win. I have a new Dragonfly Cobalt that I’m sad & excited to return. 😂 Really like being able to get to the 192 material on Apple Music and not limited to 96 as with the Cobalt.
Again, top-notch review. Hope you keep at it. 👏
Can you hear the difference between 192 and 96, how does it sound different?
It looks like in general Bowers and Wilkins voice their headphones for maximum excitement, in a more consumer sort of way. Focals are more about detail and refinement, and are quite targeted towards audiophiles.
There are a lot of audiophiles who love a good bass response and luscious mids though, I understand what you mean nonetheless. I usually Focals are usually a very exciting listen, Bathys are just tuned differently.
@@engineeringart6345 yes, love both my Focal Radiance and B&W P5 blue Maserati edition for those reasons that you mentioned. BTW As a FoCAL (😂) fan yourself, would you say that the B&W PX8 comes close to the sound quality of something like the Radiance?
@@gwapster13 I really can't say as I've sadly not tried the radiance, but really want to. I have owned Elegia and Celestee and have a Clear & Stellia now, those to me are brilliant. I think most people would be better off getting a PX8 over a Elegia or Celestee, while both of those offer a more detailed sound (slightly) they also have timbre issues, and a weaker mid range performance. For vocals and guitars, I'd always pick a PX8 over an Elegia. Staging, seperation and detail goes to Elegia/Celestee though. But they're not anywhere near something like a Clear in performance, so if you're going for a closed back, I think B&W signature is more conducive to those limitations.
@@engineeringart6345 i appreciate that detailed reply. Btw I’m subscribing. 👍 hope for more videos on your channel.
Thank you for doing this comparison video. I found it very useful the way you’ve described both headphones. I have the Sony XM3 currently (and I really do like their bombastic sound. However I am looking for an upgrade for headphones that sound more open and that don’t make my ears hot.
Thanks for a wonderful review. No time wasted ‘unboxing’… A quick question if I may. With ANC activated on the B&Ws is the audio quality deteriorated? The reason I ask, is that my 5 year old PXs sound v v good without the ANC. When it’s activated, they sound muffled - can only really use for watching TV & movies with ANC. Thank you
Same on Senny hd450s. It's just older ANC implementations aren't that good, hiss/hum etc.
Thank you for such a detailed review! The way you describe the characteristic for these headphones give me clear image of how they present music. In my country, It is hard to find a store had all the ANC headphones I want to try. After watching your video, I bought px8 yesterday, may arrive recently. Really excited about it.
Thank you for this review. No one really reviews Bowers and Wilkins and I have 4 of their headphones. The PX7s being my work horse. However I love Focal, I have the clear MG and love them. So this is a review I needed man!! Thank you 🙏🏾 oh and I just subscribed
Thank you for the review. It was great! Just a shame that you don't have the PX7 S2 with you as well to compare how much of a jump in quality you get by choosing the PX8
It's not a huge jump from the Px7 s2 to the Px8. They both are great. In my opinion however, the Px8 is sharper, more clear, the base is tighter and the build quality is on another level. If you have the money, get the Px8! If not, the Px7 s2 are also great.
@@step0251 Thank you! My main concern with B&W wireless headphones is their usual 150-300 hz bump in the frequency response, to which I am very sensible. It makes me hear all music muddy easily. Also, I need some 3 or 4 dB recess in the 8k-9khz range as well. Unfortunately, not many raw frequency response graphs have been published for the PX7 S2 and PX8. I definitely didn't like the PX7 sound, and I am hoping not much of it is carried over to the newer models.
@@kvnngkronos I thought I was the only one with a dislike for the PX7. I bought these based on reviews and thought they were really overrated.
@@blinsmaslom3263 I'm not sure if I'd call them overrated. People just hear differently and have different sound preferences (although there are features in sound that are liked universally), and index differently for features in wireless headphones. For things not sound-quality related, I definitely love the PX series aesthetics, just want decent ANC (with little generated pressure) and transparency mode, good mic quality, and don't care much about wear sensors and most other smart features.
I hope you do find the headphones that are right for you. The ANC-headphones market is very mature now and there are plenty of options out there. Cheers!
@@kvnngkronos I was talking about sound quality specifically, they just sounded artificial and unengaging to me, and with no subbass. I much prefer Sennheiser Momentum 3, although I appreciate that their bass might not be everyone's cup of tea.
I also highly recommend the B&O H8i on-ears - they sound incredible (even with no AptX) and can be picked up second hand really cheaply these days. They sound a bit different than the H95, but not worse.
Fantastic review comparing a multitude of different genres of music and having a second professional opinion. Great job!
Best review on TH-cam well done mate
How about the microphones?? How do people hear you in calls?
Both solid. I recorded a voice clip on my PX8 and compared to my Airpods Pro 2, similar volume and quality. I use it daily and have had no complaints.
It would be awesome if you could make a comparison of the microphone. Which one would you use for best music but also calls.
Because foca has 8 microphones
Refreshing to see a review that doesn't base everything on how it tracks the frickin Harman curve.
hats off to you. you had me with the intro saying you would directly go to the sound. indeed who cares about that you need to swipe or push a button when you obviously are buying these headphones for the sound ! the only gripe I had is that its not usable in passive mode and I wonder how long the battery will go...
For me, the Bathys play perfect. I love the details and clarity, the wide soundstage and the bass rumbles clean and deep. If I‘m in the mood for more direct, more „in my face“ and potentially ridiculously loud music, I plug in my Vision Ears VE7 custom in ears.
But nice review (except the person in the background who’s constantly entering and leaving the room) and good point, that on the road, wide stage isn’t that important as punchy, forward. 🙋🏻
Thanks! Bathys are a great headphone, we're lucky to have ANC headphones at this level now. As for the person you spotted, perhaps it's a ghost, as there wasn't anyone else in my apartment.
Great stuff. I‘ll go for Bathys :)
Actuall made a review specifically for classical music. Check it out! My first one ☝🏼🫣
I've only tried PX7 S2 but when you mentioned how it pans the audio image is just completely different spectrum on other headphones with huge soundstage. I can use reference monitors if i'm looking for detail but usually i'm looking for meatyness with dark/warm sound signature but in one of the other comparision reviews PX7 S2 vs PX8 someone mentioned PX7 S2 are brighter when compared with PX8...i don't know how valid that claim is..have you tried PX7 S2? is PX8 worth the upgrade if i can still return the PX7 S2 after A-B testing?
Which did you choose finally?
Which did you choose finally?
Amazing review, thanks for your thoughts. I’m currently considering the PX8 since I can get a very good price for an open box model for $599 cad instead of $899.
Well done, excellent review! Ordered px8!
MORE REVIEWS AND COMPARISONS,PLEASE! The reason there are few quality reviews, and many ads, pretending to be reviews, is because TH-cam really sucks now. They cater to massive corporations. It’s gross. It crushes innovation and creativity. You got over 30,000 views for just one video, you are already ahead of the game. More??? Pweese?
Great way to start first video , you sound like a pro , well done and thanks a lot for a very spot on , straightforward and informative video, am sure you will have more subscribers soon .. you nailed it man
Great video mate,
I went into Selfridges London and tried to compare the Bathys to the Bowers & Wilkins PX 8, unfortunately the Focals wouldn’t connect to my Sony WM1Z for some reason but the PX 8 had no problem. On my brief listen I agree with your comments regarding the sound of the Bowers & Wilkins. Also on handling the Focals they seemed cheap compared to the finish and feel of the Bowers & Wilkins.
Also if you are near or in London go to either Harrods or Selfridges and have a listen to the passive TWS Noble Fokus Pro, it’s a hybrid three driver two BA and one Dynamic driver. At Canjam London me and my friend who is a world class musician purchased then within 5 minutes of listening to them. I already own a Noble Sage and K10.
They have recently also released their hybrid two driver noise cancelling TWS the Fokus H-ANC, both are tuned by the Wizard felon Noble Audio.
I already own the Bowers Wilkins P9 that sounds fantastic out of my Hugo 2.
When I have a spare Saturday will go to Audio Sanctury in London and have a good listen and compare the Bathys to the Bowers Wilkins PX8 and decide which one to purchase.
What an informative and excellent comment! Great to know both cans are on demo in London. For some reason Selfridges pop a DJ by their headphone section, and they let you demo open backed headphones...I always found that funny. Anyway, I'll take your advice on the Falcon's, it's hard finding good tws. How do you like P9 with WM1z by the way? I too enjoy it thoroughly on the Hugo. Amazing pairing.
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply but I have had a virus.
I haven’t really listened to my P9 yet to my Sony WM1Z as soon as I am better I will give it a try and let you know. My Shangling Mo even drives my P9. My Sony WM1Z was a European version and it’s only just out of warranty and therefore have recently jail breaker it to put Mr Walkman’s software on it that includes High Gain.
I have mainly used my Sony Walkman with my Noble K10 and custom 64 Audio A18T.
I have been thinking of pick-up sometime later next year that Focal Radience.
I haven’t been using the P9 much as at home I tend to grab my Aeon 2 or LCD- XC, I must use them more often, on Convince Me Audio’s review he recommends the need at least 200 hours burn in to open up, I think mine have done no more than 20 to 40 hours so far.
Last weekend I managed to pick a pair of Bang & Olufsen H95 for £549, got £230 of the retail price at my local B&O shop as they are having a sale until the 13 November, the sale is also online, you just need to subscribe to their newsletter and they will send you a code. Just like them PX8 the build quality and finish is fantastic!
very interesting and helpful. thank you.
My god maaaan you got me with that explanation.
New subscriber here. 🙋🏻♂️
Would you please help me?
Which one is louder Bathys or PX8?
Greetings!
I fell in love with the Bathys. I highly recommend testing them live. Fully agree on your opinion
Super detailed review and honest, all that we need as viewer.. you deserve more subs.. keep up mate.. thank you
First of all I would like to thank you for your review. I really like your Review of boths and I can confirm a lot of your facts also from my personal point of view. I have listened to both for several hours just in the shop. I had very clear preferences, when I went into the shop. I had and hopefully will have the B&W Sound System in my V60 and I already owned the PI7. But I also own Focal Clear. I very often listen to classical music. I have tested with an Astell Kern Cube and a Samsung Galaxy Mobile Phone. I tested with a lot of different classical sounds, Dire Straits, Daft Punk, fellow n' friends. The clear sound of the Focal expecially with 24bit sounds is absolutely amazing. The bass ist precisely but not mainstream compatible. For my personal opinion the power of the bass of the B&W is a lot to much. There is a lot more than I knew from the PI7. To get a kind of stage the focal provides a lot more transparency. From a cost perspective I expected the PX8 with 599, but this was increase shortly before market start up to 699 and this was from my perspective a failure of B&W. Compare both headphones to the market like Sony or Apple they are far away in ANC and calling, but the major plus is the sound at all. From the handling and feeling they are both well created and outstanding at all. The material, the buttons are very good. From an integration perspective I think the Apps are bad related to the amazing look and feel of the hardware. So in the end I have bought the Focal Bathys because they just fit better to my personal requirements. From my personal view, the sound quality between the PX7.2 and the PX8 are not that large, that the price is understandable for me. If I had bought the B&W or maybe I will do in future, I would buy the PX7.2.
Again this is just an additional personal opinion and I really like your review. Thanks a lot. Have a good day.
Thanks for your input and sharing your source devices! The Bathys are a great bit of kit I hope you enjoy them. It's nice ANC headphones are getting so good. Must admit I'm a little envious of the B&W system you're getting in the V60, that will surely be awesome.
I returned my PX8 for the SoundCore Q45 as the sound and NC was better. PX8 has a very slightly better sound stage but i choose sound quality over the sound stage
Interesting. I used to have Focal Clear, which I sold because I didn’t really like them: technically great, but not engaging. Now, listening to your Bathys impression, this is exactly what I disliked about Clear. I guess this is what Focal trademark sound is.
Thanks for this. Some very clear explanations of the differencies and a clear conclusion. Good effort! 🙌
I wish you could compare the B&W PX8 to the B&O H95, I'm really torn between them, on one hand I used to have B&O H9 and it was great but I wanted to try a new thing I've always wanted to try the B&W, but on the other hand I'm so used to touch control that I can't imagine go back to buttons.. Thanks anyway for this thorough review.
I have seen people on head fi comparing H95 with bathys/px8. It seems they unanimously prefer the focal/b&w cans. I think at the moment there are tiers, H95 = Airpods Max < PX8/Bathys/ML9505. Given the very large gap in performance I'm hearing between Airpods Max and the PX8 Id expect the H95 to not compete here.
@@falcodarkzz Thanks a lot for your help
@@falcodarkzz I'm actually looking for an upgrade from my B&O H95, the sound is decent (I'm using a hi-res codec, which you can't get with an iPhone), but not befitting the pricetag price. Love the ergonomics and the looks, but the oil-obsorbing headband is a filthy disaster and paint is slowly coming off the lambskin earcups.
So I'd love a similar comparison between the PX8 and the Mark Levinson 5909.
Whats the durability like overtime with the px8? Any quality issues?
One of the best headphones reviews I've seen in awhile & would love to hear your thoughts on a range of HP equipment
Sorry for my russian. The next review can be copy-pasted to google translate if you are interested to check my feedback for this line of headphones.
Сегодня послушал:
1) B&W PX7 S2 (8-е не подвезли в Дубай ;( ) - все хвалебные отзывы в интернете - п...здё..ь! Мусорные уши с дерьмовейшим звуком и отвратительно неудобно мешающие на голове. Одел и удивился нелепому балтанию наушников на ушах. Включил треки из тидла - и просто не мог поверить, что за мерзкое качество музыки полилось мне в уши. Максимально негативное впечатление. А я фанат бренда ;( Разочарован! В магазине пообщался с консультантом - сошлись на 100% в негативном впечатлении о ушах.
2) Sony WH1000XM5 - самые удобные уши, что я мерял. А я намерялся всякого за годы поисков удовлетворяющих наушников ))) Их материал, форма, и вес - это ВАУ. Лучшее подавление внешних шумов на рынке. Отличный микрофон. Цена демократическая. Но звук... Блин... Он нормальный. Но никакого удовольсствия вообще. Влюбляет качество материалов и комфорт - но звук отталкивает. Даже за смешные 430$ - я такой звук слушать не буду. Пишу сейчас отзыв. Слушаю музыку в старых своих затычках. И рад, что не перешёл на звук ниже уровня. Кривил бы лицом, как от невкусной еды.
3) Sony WH1000XM4 - звук получше, чем в новых ХМ5. Но криклив и бас менее сбалансирован. В остальном - немного хуже новой модели.
4) iPhone Airpods Max - звук приятный. качественный массмаркетовский звук. На три головы выше, чем сони. Но нет в нём чего-то выделяющегося/живого/душевного. Видимо - хотели всем угодить. Звук однозначно лучше многих конкурентов. Я бы такой слушал каждый день. Признавал бы, что есть вещи получше. Но удовольствие получал бы. По комфорту - тоже всё ок - не раздражают и не впечатляют. Просто сидят на голове и не мешают. ;) Эрганомика с большой кнопкой меня вымораживает. Но это субъективщина и можно привыкнуть. Из минусов - это забагованый кривой переломаный функционал. Микрофон сначала записывал голос зум митинга, из которого я давно вышел. А потом пытался записать мой голос - и выдавал просто непонятные звуки, вместо голоса. Короче даже в связке с родным айфоном - всё дико глючит ))) Если кто-то рядом в толпе кому-то что то крикнет - шумка вырубится, музыка вырубится, и вам уши проорут слова человека на ухо. Короче намудрили. Из-за кривого забагованого ПО и нерабочего микрофона - точно нет. Да и цена - неоправдано высока. Хотя, по комфорту и звуку - это достойный массмаркетовский средняк. Любители яблока и их "премиального" массмаркета - разберут.
5) Bang-Olufsen BEOPLAY H95 - звук настолько ВЫШЕ уровнем всего, что слушал сегодня!!! Что после них ничего другого слушать НЕ хочется. Вообще. Это эталон среди беспроводных ушей по звуку. 1300$ в Дубай - по мне достойная этого звука цена. Но есть серьёзный залёт: их дуговое крепление, как будто из наждачки сделано. У меня от него зудит голова. Оно давит. Регулировки не спасают. Голову как-будто режут )) Уши тяжёлые - и это усиливает давление. Когда гуляешь - может немного добавляться трение от болтанки. Говорят, я первый с таким фидбеком. Но мне дискомфортно. Возможно, виной мои очень короткие волосы и чувствительная кожа. Не могу представить несколько часов в этих ушах. Продавцы порекомендовали слушать наушники в кепке. :D
Резюме: Супер звук и отвратительные по комфорту на голове наушники. Тяжеловаты, что в сочитании с жесткой прокладкой - чувствуется. Шумоподавление проигрывает Сони. Это бесит. С такой ценой - могли бы сделать его лучше.
6) Как итог - я купил эппловский адаптер на мини джек за 10$ и продолжил юзать свои добитые затычки от B&W. Брал их давно за смешные деньги на фоне конукрентов выше. до сих пор лучше ушей по параметрам: комфорт+звук - не нашёл. увы ;(
Ищу шанс найти где-то на тест Focal Bathys - вдруг случится чудо и зайдут. В px8 - не верю. но потестил бы тоже.
Может кто посоветует БЕСПРОВОДНЫЕ закрытые уши с бюджетом до 20,000$ ? Должны звучать, как Bang-Olufsen BEOPLAY H95 или лучше. Быть комфортными, как Sony :D
Что скажете про не дорогие Edifier Stax Spirit S3, или может слушали Momentum 4?
@@Дмитрий-и7ф7л не слушал их. смотрю в топовый сегмент.
a kak focal bathys?
a kak focal bathys?
@@leonasj9633 у них есть дефекты. но я себе купил. доволен. Короч звук очень нравится. Но через usb провод просто на голову выше, чем по блютузу. BO правда круче по звуку. Оч удобные... Но сырые. Много дефектов которые испрвят мб в след версии. Например как писк в ушах от электроники. Ничего пока с этми сделать не могут. Не брак.