I'm a little confused. You're a TWC certified trainer but in this video, you are using low stim on the ecollar to train offleash heel. Not saying anything wrong because i also train offleash heel this way. However I know that Ivan Balabanov whom you are certified under is against low stim ecollar training. Is this the way that Ivan trains offleash heel? If not, can you make a video showing Ivan's method?
Yes, you are correct - it is confusing because I no longer teach this way (using low level stim turned on before I ask anything). I do not want to take the video down because it can be helpful for people that train that way. To clarify for you though, and anyone else that may wonder, why I no longer do this, here is how/why I have changed/grown in my training style…. I took the TWC course because I knew I could be better for the dog’s sake. I want all dogs to feel better and actually enjoy the “work” or training of obedience. Even though I am doing it here, this style of heavy Ecollar use never made sense to me. Sure it works and this dog looks okay - her tail is half up but you can still see signs of stress…. panting- tho it is hot out, and other subtle signs. But for some dogs (start looking at other trainers and SEE how the dog actually feels about it all. Some maybe look ‘okay’ like this girl, but she is def not loving this, but some look so obviously bad and not enjoying themselves at all. As a trainer, you should be able to spot the ones that even don’t enjoy any of it even though they might look OK. You can still see that they’re not motivated because they want to. They are motivated because they have to.) Anyway, as far as how Ivan teaches things, I highly recommend taking the TWC course. For me, I went there for one reason, but came away with so, so, so much more that makes me really understand what it means to “Make your Dog Somebody”, which is what Ivan is all about. I hope this helps clarify
Also, besides too much Ecollar use, this video shows ‘simultaneous conditioning’, which is not the most effective way to condition anything. With Ivan, one learns not only about motivating a dog without the overuse of aversives, but you also learn so much about the science behind classical and operant conditioning. I highly recommend TWC to not learn techniques but to learn all of the conceptual “why” behind everything he does.
@@leadoffleashk9trainingI've bought Ivan's cornerstone collection package, and his make your dog somebody video and it has helped me out a lot. I know what you're talking about when you talk about the dogs not being motivated to work cause I've experienced it myself. They do it cause they have to. Not because they want to. The make your dog video has helped me out a lot. However I am unable to take the twc certification course at the moment and was really interested in learning Ivan's way of using the ecollar when I stumbled across your videos. So I thought I ask you about it. Ivan has a competition heeling video. Is that how he trains offleash heeling? Or is that completely different?
@@georgenakasone7613 if you don’t have the healing videos, I would get them. It’s definitely in more of a competitive style, but you can tone it down. It’s all about the motivation of the dog. Just like all of his other videos. Here’s a link to the first…. academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/competition-heeling-part-one The second one I think is even better, so if money is tight and you only had to pick one, I would get the second and do what I could with that. It’s a newer video and excellent. Here’s a link… academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/competition-heeling-part-two-emotions-through-motion But if you can afford both, get both
@@leadoffleashk9trainingso one last question. So Ivan doesn't use low level stim. So I'm just assuming that he isn't using ecollar to train offleash heel but actually trains offleash heel through play and leash pressure. After the dog is trained to walk in heel proficiently, then he'll use the ecollar stim as a correction at a correction level whenever the dog breaks the heel. And I'm also assuming a tap on the ecollar instead of a continuous hold. Sort of like a pop on the prong collar. Am I in the ballpark of what Ivan teaches for the offleash heel?
I have pretty much gone to all play reward for positive reinforcement. Occasionally, I will use food if the dog has zero interest in play (but I work hard to try to get the play drive up concurrently) As well, sometimes I’ll just use food because it happens to be there and I’m asking for one thing and it is a fine reward. (Same as freedom- ie getting out of the house, or getting out of the crate). But generally I would say 80% play based reward from me. But regardless, whatever reward you use for positive reinforcement, make sure the dog feels good and is ready to try again before you move on asking for more.
Yes it can, it all depends on how well you have taught the heel. The training collar helps teach the perfect heel and then it can be transferred to the flat collar or harness. But if your heel is still messy and your dog is creeping ahead I would go back the training collar (prong or pinch collar). It is less about the tools at this point and more about the verbal command and expectation from you.
Thanks for the video, my mom wants me to train both of my 10 month old Aussies on my own :,) so I’m resorting to TH-cam because she doesn’t want to take them to a trainer lol. And they are outside dogs.. so it doesn’t help.. any tips on how to train an outside dog. I try to train consistently of 6 days a wk
My program is for off leash dogs so if I can do it with 100's of dogs you can do it w your two :). Watch ALL of my "going off leash with your dog" playlist and implement the concepts. Train one at a time, then bring them together when each is doing well solo w you. Get a good remote collar - don't get a cheap one!
Yes, I do both. However, my dog is very well trained due to lots of clear. communication in the training and consistency. Keeping that in mind, he spends 90% of his time unstructured and 10% structured. I can do this because I can absolutely get him to recall off of anything and have him place, sit or heel in a single attempt. So early on in the training process - you should spend more time in structure so s/he learns what is expected, then the ration changes as the relationship strengthens (meaning you get 100% reliability from your dog in ALL scenarios and situations). hope this helps.
@@chrisvandoros1805 watch the first few videos in this playlist, they are short and to the point. A little old, but have been VERY helpful for clients.. th-cam.com/play/PLJW_ZGMoNMMYxixKth2ibCuPciFa_jz5X.html
I'm a little confused. You're a TWC certified trainer but in this video, you are using low stim on the ecollar to train offleash heel. Not saying anything wrong because i also train offleash heel this way. However I know that Ivan Balabanov whom you are certified under is against low stim ecollar training. Is this the way that Ivan trains offleash heel? If not, can you make a video showing Ivan's method?
Yes, you are correct - it is confusing because I no longer teach this way (using low level stim turned on before I ask anything). I do not want to take the video down because it can be helpful for people that train that way. To clarify for you though, and anyone else that may wonder, why I no longer do this, here is how/why I have changed/grown in my training style…. I took the TWC course because I knew I could be better for the dog’s sake. I want all dogs to feel better and actually enjoy the “work” or training of obedience. Even though I am doing it here, this style of heavy Ecollar use never made sense to me. Sure it works and this dog looks okay - her tail is half up but you can still see signs of stress…. panting- tho it is hot out, and other subtle signs. But for some dogs (start looking at other trainers and SEE how the dog actually feels about it all. Some maybe look ‘okay’ like this girl, but she is def not loving this, but some look so obviously bad and not enjoying themselves at all. As a trainer, you should be able to spot the ones that even don’t enjoy any of it even though they might look OK. You can still see that they’re not motivated because they want to. They are motivated because they have to.)
Anyway, as far as how Ivan teaches things, I highly recommend taking the TWC course. For me, I went there for one reason, but came away with so, so, so much more that makes me really understand what it means to “Make your Dog Somebody”, which is what Ivan is all about.
I hope this helps clarify
Also, besides too much Ecollar use, this video shows ‘simultaneous conditioning’, which is not the most effective way to condition anything. With Ivan, one learns not only about motivating a dog without the overuse of aversives, but you also learn so much about the science behind classical and operant conditioning. I highly recommend TWC to not learn techniques but to learn all of the conceptual “why” behind everything he does.
@@leadoffleashk9trainingI've bought Ivan's cornerstone collection package, and his make your dog somebody video and it has helped me out a lot. I know what you're talking about when you talk about the dogs not being motivated to work cause I've experienced it myself. They do it cause they have to. Not because they want to. The make your dog video has helped me out a lot. However I am unable to take the twc certification course at the moment and was really interested in learning Ivan's way of using the ecollar when I stumbled across your videos. So I thought I ask you about it. Ivan has a competition heeling video. Is that how he trains offleash heeling? Or is that completely different?
@@georgenakasone7613 if you don’t have the healing videos, I would get them. It’s definitely in more of a competitive style, but you can tone it down. It’s all about the motivation of the dog. Just like all of his other videos. Here’s a link to the first…. academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/competition-heeling-part-one
The second one I think is even better, so if money is tight and you only had to pick one, I would get the second and do what I could with that. It’s a newer video and excellent. Here’s a link…
academy.trainingwithoutconflict.com/competition-heeling-part-two-emotions-through-motion
But if you can afford both, get both
@@leadoffleashk9trainingso one last question. So Ivan doesn't use low level stim. So I'm just assuming that he isn't using ecollar to train offleash heel but actually trains offleash heel through play and leash pressure. After the dog is trained to walk in heel proficiently, then he'll use the ecollar stim as a correction at a correction level whenever the dog breaks the heel. And I'm also assuming a tap on the ecollar instead of a continuous hold. Sort of like a pop on the prong collar. Am I in the ballpark of what Ivan teaches for the offleash heel?
So no treats? Or is playing in between the reward?
I have pretty much gone to all play reward for positive reinforcement. Occasionally, I will use food if the dog has zero interest in play (but I work hard to try to get the play drive up concurrently) As well, sometimes I’ll just use food because it happens to be there and I’m asking for one thing and it is a fine reward. (Same as freedom- ie getting out of the house, or getting out of the crate). But generally I would say 80% play based reward from me. But regardless, whatever reward you use for positive reinforcement, make sure the dog feels good and is ready to try again before you move on asking for more.
Great video I am close to the same point with my Shepherd. Thankyou
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Awesome. Keep up the great work!
Great video , thanks 🙏
Glad you liked it!
Shows they not harmed by it as you can see at the end the dog forgot about the ball and come back to proceed training
Thank you for watching!
Hi, would this work if dog is on harness ? btw good quality video and great clear blue sky
Yes it can, it all depends on how well you have taught the heel. The training collar helps teach the perfect heel and then it can be transferred to the flat collar or harness. But if your heel is still messy and your dog is creeping ahead I would go back the training collar (prong or pinch collar). It is less about the tools at this point and more about the verbal command and expectation from you.
@@leadoffleashk9training Thank you
what brand e collar do you use?
Usually the ET 300 by Ecollar Technologies. But Garmin and Dogtra also have good products.
Thanks for the video, my mom wants me to train both of my 10 month old Aussies on my own :,) so I’m resorting to TH-cam because she doesn’t want to take them to a trainer lol. And they are outside dogs.. so it doesn’t help.. any tips on how to train an outside dog. I try to train consistently of 6 days a wk
My program is for off leash dogs so if I can do it with 100's of dogs you can do it w your two :). Watch ALL of my "going off leash with your dog" playlist and implement the concepts. Train one at a time, then bring them together when each is doing well solo w you. Get a good remote collar - don't get a cheap one!
Do you do structure walk and obedience training with you own dog and do you do obedience In the house
Yes, I do both. However, my dog is very well trained due to lots of clear. communication in the training and consistency. Keeping that in mind, he spends 90% of his time unstructured and 10% structured. I can do this because I can absolutely get him to recall off of anything and have him place, sit or heel in a single attempt. So early on in the training process - you should spend more time in structure so s/he learns what is expected, then the ration changes as the relationship strengthens (meaning you get 100% reliability from your dog in ALL scenarios and situations). hope this helps.
@@leadoffleashk9training do you correct them
@@leadoffleashk9training you should do a structure walk video
@@chrisvandoros1805 watch the first few videos in this playlist, they are short and to the point. A little old, but have been VERY helpful for clients.. th-cam.com/play/PLJW_ZGMoNMMYxixKth2ibCuPciFa_jz5X.html
@@leadoffleashk9training can you make one of you structure walk
You literally did that in 10 mins
Thanks for watching!! It is pretty easy when you have a good foundation!