Well, I'll be damned ! I'll refrain from stating the long list of expletives that crossed my mind. This is fan-friggin-tastic. I'm hereby declaring myself a Càrn-ivore
Really impressive functionality in such a small HP footprint! I find that mixers eat up so much HP when I am making a patch that doesn’t need them… it’s so nice to know that this module can still be used in that situation with its utilities!
You can indeed! A couple of caveats: the level is controlled by the cuïr control which will also control the level from the càrn stereo out. So for mixing you will need control over your stereo source. It will also not be affected by the càrn’s limiter if that were desired. I very often use the cuïr’s stereo in (in conjunction with a càrn) as a stereo in for an Arbhar. Works very well for some parallel reverb/granular stereo addition to the full voice.
@@instruo that’s awesome. Thank you for taking the time to write an incredibly thoughtful reply. I love what you create for the community and wish you all the best. 🙌
That's really nice! I'm not a huge enthusiast of the DIP switches on the back-it's sort of like menu diving except you need a screwdriver and a power disconnect ;) -but I'm not going to argue that what they do is inappropriate. But wow, regardless, that's an ingenious-is compromise the word? I'm not even sure it's a compromise. You know what I mean. And, _of course,_ it's beautiful.
@@instruo Especially since they are on the back ;). No, you are right, as DIP switches go, they seem well chosen-in that I can tell what the “obvious” settings are for me, and I can likewise tell that someone else would make a different choice, and be equally happy to forget after setting. So you're not wrong!
Love the functionality However, i would have greatly preferred that the jacks were placed on the bottom of the panel so the patch cords are less likely to end up dangling over the sliders. The way the panel is currently set up I’d probably be more inclined to mount it upside down in the rack and get used to reverse control directions to avoid having cables in my way since I tend to be frequently tweaking mixer settings during a performance. Perhaps a future iteration could flip the panel layout 180 degrees?
You've hit the nail on the head in terms of the fundamental paradox of module layout! It does ultimately come down to subjectivity. An alt panel for it at 180º could be done but as you describe, the pan pots would point upside down and faders would go from high to low 😂 Ultimately I design my modules my personal preference of orientation in mind. For modules in a system that I'm particularly hands on with I go with placement at the lowest/closest row of the case. In this placement all channel faders/pots are right up front with all cables branching up and out of the way (other than the x-fade channel's second input). I've been finding that very convenient for hands on channel control. In larger systems I have other càrn placed by my cuïr output stages, and use them as sub mixes. Where possible I keep things set-and-forget for channel levels and use the master levels for voice mixing. I feel like I get away with them being buried in cables without too much issue for live performance in these instances. There will undoubtedly be many configurations and use cases I didn't consider, but feature wise I think i covered most bases with the càrn.
I’m a bit confused with the half normalled description vs normalled - wouldn’t the behavior by (usual) description in a patchbay mean the opposite? So half normalled keeps the connection and both outputs work? And full normalled would be where it breaks the signal to the main out when you patch to the direct out? Thanks for any reply
It’s a good question, and one that I don’t think has a clear answer. Patch bays behave very specifically as there are both front and back connections. The “breaking” point differs between active front and back patching as well as top/bottom rows with regards to the terminology full vs half. So it isn’t a direct comparison to a single unbalanced 3.5mm normal contact. Patch bay hardware also seems somewhat inconsistent!! Some are balanced connections while others aren’t. I wired my studio up recently with some 1/4” bays linking up my outboard gear and I ended up having to just go trial and error and modify connectors as needed for it to work as I intended! It was a long day. Ultimately I went with what felt logical for the context of the càrn. For “fully-normalled” the connection from the output Jack normal is always (fully) connected, even if patched from. For “half-normalled” the connection will be broken when patched from the output/bottom row. Which does happen to correlate with an article description on Sweetwater. Ultimately if I got the terms wrong… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ …I can live with it! It is what it is, and the arbitrary terms of full/half are what they are in the context of the càrn. So, so long as I keep consistent in my implementation I figured I doesn’t matter too much ☺️
@@instruo Thank you very much for (so quickly) taking the time to reply and totally I absorb your terminology as logical. Every few years I have patchbay vertigo and feel like I am lost again and check all my labels, labels are key after the long days haha. Amazing work!!!
@@instruo cool i was wondering if the cruinn and the cnoc will be on vcv^^ cool i just look your video about cnoc and that functioon generator are amasing especially when you connect to cnoc together^^
Very ingenious Mixer that does so much more! I may have to buy 2 of them! Currently, I have only two 2hp mixers which do nothing more than just mix!💡🎛👏🏽❗
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I would like to add that Jason is also a stellar presenter. So clear and articulate.
YEAHH!!
Brilliant as always, such intelligent design. You somehow thought of everything you need, without including a single thing you don’t. Perfection
Well, I'll be damned ! I'll refrain from stating the long list of expletives that crossed my mind. This is fan-friggin-tastic. I'm hereby declaring myself a Càrn-ivore
😂😂😂 Càrn-ivore!!! I love it!
a mixer with super powers! Nice.
Awesome Mixer! Just got my Saïch yesterday. Absolutely LOVE it ! ❤️
Oooh, wow! Can’t wait to have access to my headphones to watch the actual video.
But dayum, the description has me already hooked!
I like the way your introduce your 2hp usb ok. You know we just love watch you patch lessons learn.....
Jason you're wonderful. This is a masterpiece.
Really impressive functionality in such a small HP footprint! I find that mixers eat up so much HP when I am making a patch that doesn’t need them… it’s so nice to know that this module can still be used in that situation with its utilities!
If you patch the Càrn to the Cuïr (output module) through the back stereo jack, can you still patch additional audio to Cuïr's front inputs?
You can indeed!
A couple of caveats: the level is controlled by the cuïr control which will also control the level from the càrn stereo out. So for mixing you will need control over your stereo source.
It will also not be affected by the càrn’s limiter if that were desired.
I very often use the cuïr’s stereo in (in conjunction with a càrn) as a stereo in for an Arbhar. Works very well for some parallel reverb/granular stereo addition to the full voice.
@@instruo that’s awesome. Thank you for taking the time to write an incredibly thoughtful reply. I love what you create for the community and wish you all the best. 🙌
a big addition to the way i patch ! i agree with that !
Great video, as always !
Wonder if this one will hit the VCV Rack collection
Impressive work! Such a clever mixer full of tricks!👾🔥🔥
Yeah, mixers and vcas are the thing to look out for if you want more complex patches. And multiples / splitter cables. Get those.
what a clever little thing!
That's really nice! I'm not a huge enthusiast of the DIP switches on the back-it's sort of like menu diving except you need a screwdriver and a power disconnect ;) -but I'm not going to argue that what they do is inappropriate. But wow, regardless, that's an ingenious-is compromise the word? I'm not even sure it's a compromise. You know what I mean.
And, _of course,_ it's beautiful.
You can always just ignore the DIP switches ;)
@@instruo Especially since they are on the back ;). No, you are right, as DIP switches go, they seem well chosen-in that I can tell what the “obvious” settings are for me, and I can likewise tell that someone else would make a different choice, and be equally happy to forget after setting. So you're not wrong!
exccellent works; regards
Love the functionality However, i would have greatly preferred that the jacks were placed on the bottom of the panel so the patch cords are less likely to end up dangling over the sliders. The way the panel is currently set up I’d probably be more inclined to mount it upside down in the rack and get used to reverse control directions to avoid having cables in my way since I tend to be frequently tweaking mixer settings during a performance. Perhaps a future iteration could flip the panel layout 180 degrees?
You've hit the nail on the head in terms of the fundamental paradox of module layout!
It does ultimately come down to subjectivity.
An alt panel for it at 180º could be done but as you describe, the pan pots would point upside down and faders would go from high to low 😂
Ultimately I design my modules my personal preference of orientation in mind.
For modules in a system that I'm particularly hands on with I go with placement at the lowest/closest row of the case. In this placement all channel faders/pots are right up front with all cables branching up and out of the way (other than the x-fade channel's second input).
I've been finding that very convenient for hands on channel control.
In larger systems I have other càrn placed by my cuïr output stages, and use them as sub mixes. Where possible I keep things set-and-forget for channel levels and use the master levels for voice mixing. I feel like I get away with them being buried in cables without too much issue for live performance in these instances.
There will undoubtedly be many configurations and use cases I didn't consider, but feature wise I think i covered most bases with the càrn.
I’m a bit confused with the half normalled description vs normalled - wouldn’t the behavior by (usual) description in a patchbay mean the opposite? So half normalled keeps the connection and both outputs work? And full normalled would be where it breaks the signal to the main out when you patch to the direct out? Thanks for any reply
It’s a good question, and one that I don’t think has a clear answer.
Patch bays behave very specifically as there are both front and back connections. The “breaking” point differs between active front and back patching as well as top/bottom rows with regards to the terminology full vs half. So it isn’t a direct comparison to a single unbalanced 3.5mm normal contact.
Patch bay hardware also seems somewhat inconsistent!! Some are balanced connections while others aren’t.
I wired my studio up recently with some 1/4” bays linking up my outboard gear and I ended up having to just go trial and error and modify connectors as needed for it to work as I intended!
It was a long day.
Ultimately I went with what felt logical for the context of the càrn.
For “fully-normalled” the connection from the output Jack normal is always (fully) connected, even if patched from.
For “half-normalled” the connection will be broken when patched from the output/bottom row.
Which does happen to correlate with an article description on Sweetwater.
Ultimately if I got the terms wrong…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ …I can live with it!
It is what it is, and the arbitrary terms of full/half are what they are in the context of the càrn. So, so long as I keep consistent in my implementation I figured I doesn’t matter too much ☺️
@@instruo Thank you very much for (so quickly) taking the time to reply and totally I absorb your terminology as logical. Every few years I have patchbay vertigo and feel like I am lost again and check all my labels, labels are key after the long days haha. Amazing work!!!
Very slick!
Where do you get those cables?
www.signalsounds.com/instruo-eurorack-patch-cable-60cm-5-pack
:)
I produce them in 5 lengths: 20cm, 30cm, 60cm, 1m, 2m
@@instruo thanks you so much!!!
Will this awesome thing be in VCV?
Eventually I reckon.
Will take a breather after making the real thing first though 😁
DO that module will be accesible on vcv rack?
We just got the hardware out! 😬
Eventually yes, but a VCV port is always a lower priority secondary project.
@@instruo i totaly understand^^
@@vincmentaria I have actually been testing with the virtual cnoc and cruinn lately as well ;)
So there are some new VCV releases to come!
@@instruo cool i was wondering if the cruinn and the cnoc will be on vcv^^ cool i just look your video about cnoc and that functioon generator are amasing especially when you connect to cnoc together^^
do yout hink you will put also lubadh?
nothing is a gong. only the silver mountain people will dredge the cold rivers edge.
Very ingenious Mixer that does so much more! I may have to buy 2 of them! Currently, I have only two 2hp mixers which do nothing more than just mix!💡🎛👏🏽❗