I like the way you analyze the data after a race. Much more informative and entertaining than simply watching a drag race. This is one of the reasons why I subscribe to your channel.
Given the traction issues the Cupar has from a standing start it would be quite nice to include a comparison from a slow rolling start too (say 10-15mph).
Impressed the Leon is as fast as it is really. I'm quite impressed with this new generation Cupra in general, despite it being FWD only still with 280hp.
Predictable result, but a major underestimation to the Cupra by me. I thought the BMW would run circles around the Seat by the time it finished the race, but I was caught off-guard when it kept itself on a mere 10 meters of the BMW. Really surprised!
The DSG really helps the Cupra to keep up, it recovers a bit of speed every time the Beemer shifts (I think it reaches 5th by the end?). Manual vs manual or DSG vs the 8 speed auto would show a larger gap. But, indeed, the Cupra is a quick car and should not be underestimated. In a real world environment the pace of these hot hatches (Golf, Focus, S3, Megane, Astra) is insane. Their mid-range, because of turbos, is as fat as a whale :)
Mzn T It really is just staggering. It's really hard to count the gears used, but the Seat does look like it rides on one seamless gear. I would reckon they went through 5 gears with the BMW, as well, given that the last gear is probably used for motorway cruising (I may be very wrong with this assumption). Also, shows how much the 'affordable' cars have evolved. Just years ago, I wouldn't have thought a FWD hatchback could've kept up with a RWD coupe. It boggles the mind.
Krste Toshev No, you're not wrong in your assumption, the 6th gear on ALL manual BMWs is an overdrive while the 5th is a 1:1 ratio. They have this fixation to have 1:1 ratio for the top accelerating gear and a maximum of 500cmc displacement per cylinder (this is not always respected for obvious reasons). Is like these numbers are some golden rules for them :)
It would be interesting to compare this standing start with a rolling start to see if the two were closer. But this kind of thoroughness is too much to expect I know.
Willem Oldewage If that is the case, and it might be, then the fwd vs. rwd explanation wouldn't work for these two cars. Therefore it would be interesting to see.
his explanation of the shifting weight does make sense, but the seat still has the weight of the engine pushing down on the drive wheels, while the bmw doesn't. so I think the tire difference and transmission were the actual culprit here. the real test would be a 20mph rolling start both cars 6 speed manual and both in second gear.
It would probably be pretty close, FWD cars are generally terrible from a dig (standing start). There's lots of videos on youtube of high powered FWD cars holding their own against equally or more powerful RWD cars in highway races with rolling starts. Like, a high powered turbocharged Civic and a Camaro or a Mustang. If you raced those same two cars from standing the FWD car would almost always lose due to wheelspin. In the case of a car that's running a lot of boost, turbo lag comes in to play too, but FWD has an inherent disadvantage in drag racing.
the BMW would win because as you can see, the 0-60 times are only a second different from eachother, yet the BMW crosses the line 1.4 seconds ahead of the Seat. This is all down to weight, power, and aerodynamics ofcourse, and though Seat have done a remarkable job on the Cupra, BMW still has the upper hand in experience in weight distribution and (I believe) in aerodynamics on sportsy cars.
fesch03 what's wrong with using both? TH-cam is international. There is no wrong or right measurement system. Some of us use English/Empirical others use metric.
(BMW) 326CV vs 280CV (Seat), is that fair?! The advantage is not from real wheel but from a massive power advantage! Although I would like to see both on track!
Seat is lighter than the BMW...power is not all that matters. And Seat is much faster on the track....about 20 seconds per lap faster around Nurburgring.
derbigpr500 Nurburgring times are silly frankly as some cars are much quicker on a certain track while others are even quicker on other circuits. Everyone knows just how conservative BMW and Germans are in general with their cars. Pull the speed limiter off and I bet it'd drop that gap down by probably 5 -10 seconds. I'll also remind you that you can't buy the Cupra that did that time either..
ewt415 someone finally sees what I see! That SEAT is definitely on another level IMO. Should manage well against the likes of VW GTI, Mazdaspeed 3 and etc...
Not fair comparing 2 cars with such huge price differences and power differences.. The price, look up in your own country. Power 322 vs 280 bhp zzz - fun to see how the Cupra stacked up though, pretty good.
Power to weight is similar in these two, so the race isn't as unfair as everyone thinks, plus it's auto cupra and manual m235i. Owned both and cupra is best on tight twisty roads and BM is better at almost everything else with a fabulous roar from the straight 6
João Fernandes Cupra lapped Nürburgring in 7:58:44 while BMW m135i (which is very similar to m235i) made it in 8:18. I dont think m235i will lap it 20 seconds faster than m135i.
CitralPL First of all, comparing a single lap time per car by *different drivers* is not indicative of anything. You could be comparing a professional driver and an amateur for all you know. Secondly, for every other track where these two cars have posted lap times, the M135i has beaten the Cupra. Source: fastestlaps website.
Anders Olsson It would be bold if said it`s better, because everybody knows that in this comparison the BMW will be the winner no matter anything. But as huge VAG fan i`m glad that Seat managed to build such a nice car with reasonable price which can be real opponent to a car otherwise out of it`s league.
Rolling races may come up with different results as I just got a new Cupra recently and a guy at work in his manual 235i couldn't keep up on a short carriageway. Sure he thought he was going to blast past me haha but it didn't work out for him.
The journalist clearly doesn't understand what he is talking about. The gap didn't remain consistent at all. Even looking at the video shows the BMW just walked away. He says the gap stays consistent because there is 1sec difference for 0-60mph. and then 1.1sec difference at 1km.Totally irrelevant measurements that have nothing to do with each other. Some cars have 5-6secs between 0-60mph times and only 2secs difference on a quarter mile. At 5secs when there was 1sec between each car reaching 60mph, there was only 1-2 car lengths in it with the Cupra almost making equal speed with the DSG gear change a a few points. The time difference between the cars crossing the same point on the road was minimal. At the end there was 1.1sec between the cars travelling at (rough guess) 135-140mph) the gap would be around 62m. That is actually a very sizeable margin. I really can't believe a car journalist really just said that.
Wow, rwd with more power and power to weight wins, really unexpected. Please make next video of Prius vs some 30K HP jet car. Always was wondering who would win a mile drag race.
some say that BMW should be compared to RS3... but you got to know that then it should be compared with M2... that would be fair since they would both be the top of the line in their models
Stupid battle imo. Physics, power to weight ratio, weight distribution, engine power + torque were all imassively in the BMW's favour. A 2.0 BMW 1 series would have made a lot more sense to demonstrate the difference between fwd and rwd. However, it does show how quick the Leon Cupra is considering it couldn't get all its power down on the tarmac and it was up against a car with 30+ bhp advantage, rwd and better weight distribution etc. etc.
Considering the drivetrain, power and torque disadvantages, the cupra r didn't do as bad as i was expecting. In the end what was that, 3 car length? not bad at all
HUGE misconception in explaining the gap difference between the BMW and the Cupra. Having a 1sec advantage to 1000m is WAY different from having a 1sec advantage from 0-60mph. You CAN NOT compare acceleration to a SPECIFIED SPEED and acceleration to achieve a SPECIFIED DISTANCE, these are TWO DIFERENT CONCEPTS. 1s advantage in 1000m is far a bigger difference then 1s from 0-60mph. Thing is, when both these cars achieve 60mph, the Seat is still relatively close to the BMW (1 car behind? 2 cars behind?). However, the BMW keeps opening the gap, by the end of the 1000m mark, it can be over 10 cars ahead of the Seat, that's what a 1sec difference represents by the time these cars reach post-1km speeds. EVO, please fix that.
Off the line BMW has the advantage being RWD. From 30-120mph power to weight is the most important factor, advantage BMW 10bhp/ton higher, after 120mph power and aerodynamics come into play, advantage BMW with its 45bhp extra over the seat. Result was inevitable, seat did ok considering though
M2 3.0 320hp vs Cupra 2.0 280hp...Fail test ! But I must give credit to Cupra, it sticks to BMW all the way, gap between 2 of the cars is small considering a big difference in power.
One of them is a 3 litre, 6 cylinder engine and the other one is a 2.0l - 4 cylinder. Also the price of the BMW is double. It is not a very fair competition.
222 vs 212 bhp it says or my bad? cos as i know cupra is 280?
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there all variety of race cars. touring cars are all front wheel drive (except bmws) rally cars are AWD and GT and more powerful cars are rear wheel drive. fwd cars are more efficient at low power.
Marcel K Only someone who has never owned an RS5 would say that. My RS5 is a 4,200 lb, torque-deprived pig riding on extremely stiff suspension while guzzling gas and throwing around its occupants due to jerky S-Tronic shifts. The M235i is an agile, well-proportioned sports car meant as a true driver's car, available with a 6-speed manual, and more torque than the RS5's V8. The RS5 is a show car for pretty boys, the M235i is for those who know what driving is all about.
Marcel K Yikes. No offense, but you don't know much about cars, do you? Anyone who judges a car based on price and stated horsepower is absolutely missing the point.
Sure i do. Why dont we speak german? I could easy explain you why its a downgrade. You cant judge a car bec it has more or less torque with a bigger or little engine. And a cheaper car, like from rs5 to 235m is a fucking downgrade! Rs5 is on m4 level, and not the 2 tier less 235m
Front wheel drive in a sports car is wrong, wrong, wrong....last time i had a front wheel drive 'vehicle' it had 3 wheels with the pedals connected directly to the front wheel.
The Leon is a Golf in a hat. I don't understand this Seat brand. What is it? Why does it exist? Why should I buy one? Yes it's a bit prettier than its Golf sibling, but not by much and it's certainly not meaningfully different, nor is it cheaper. At least Skoda are going somewhere with the whole "clever" thing by making the Yeti and Superb.
HCD488 you're looking at this the wrong way. As Harry said (you really should listen to the video), the M235i has 222hp/ton, while the Cupra has 212hp/ton. I would say yes, that's pretty fair. But it's a matter of traction, as I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cupra winning if it had AWD, despite it's "lack" of power.
Jonathan R. yes but the cupra dont want to be so fast as the bmw is ... the Cupra r will be the better opponent .... but i understand what you mean when to Cars has the same HP per ton the rear wheeldrive is faster from not to .. :-)
HCD488 I like the Cupra as well, but I would never know because we'll never these sweet little hatches here Stateside. I hear the Megane RS is a killer too, perhaps they should have compared it to the Cupra instead. Or, the Audi S3 would've been a better opponent for sure
Why do so many people say these drags are never fair. Get with the programme you Muppets, do you just want identical cars putting up identical times all day. It shows two quick cars with different setups and the advantages when booting it off the line. Not difficult.
I like the way you analyze the data after a race. Much more informative and entertaining than simply watching a drag race. This is one of the reasons why I subscribe to your channel.
Given the traction issues the Cupar has from a standing start it would be quite nice to include a comparison from a slow rolling start too (say 10-15mph).
are you serious?
2,0L vs 3,0L
280hp (350nm) vs 326hp (450nm)
FWD vs 4WD (if yours was 4wd, otherwise this doesnt count)
good comparison lol
Andrew Denisyuk no 280 ;)
310 hp stock 280 - 290 - 300 cupra models all have 310 hp its just marketing nothing more. put a 280 cupra on a dyno and you will see
The Cupra is also auto and the M235i is manual. You didn't mention that.
Stupid drag race 2.0 vs 3.0
Harwinder Singh are you stupid on purpose?
Impressed the Leon is as fast as it is really. I'm quite impressed with this new generation Cupra in general, despite it being FWD only still with 280hp.
Wow for a front wheel drive 5 door hatch, that Cupra is rapid
The cupra is might impressive considering the disadvantage it has compared to the more powerful bmw.
Not at all. The cupra is automatic and the BMW is manual. Also the rwd of the BMW is a disadvantage in a drag race.
@@markbrix9385 What do you mean? Rwd is way better for a launch compared to fwd!
Not to mention the +40hp of the M235i
@@markbrix9385 Rear wheel drive a disadvantage in a drag race as opposed to front wheel drive??? I dont think so
@@markbrix9385 Mark when accelerating weight shifts on to the rear wheels making RWD much better for launch compared to FWD.
Predictable result, but a major underestimation to the Cupra by me. I thought the BMW would run circles around the Seat by the time it finished the race, but I was caught off-guard when it kept itself on a mere 10 meters of the BMW. Really surprised!
The DSG really helps the Cupra to keep up, it recovers a bit of speed every time the Beemer shifts (I think it reaches 5th by the end?). Manual vs manual or DSG vs the 8 speed auto would show a larger gap.
But, indeed, the Cupra is a quick car and should not be underestimated. In a real world environment the pace of these hot hatches (Golf, Focus, S3, Megane, Astra) is insane. Their mid-range, because of turbos, is as fat as a whale :)
Mzn T It really is just staggering. It's really hard to count the gears used, but the Seat does look like it rides on one seamless gear. I would reckon they went through 5 gears with the BMW, as well, given that the last gear is probably used for motorway cruising (I may be very wrong with this assumption).
Also, shows how much the 'affordable' cars have evolved. Just years ago, I wouldn't have thought a FWD hatchback could've kept up with a RWD coupe. It boggles the mind.
Krste Toshev No, you're not wrong in your assumption, the 6th gear on ALL manual BMWs is an overdrive while the 5th is a 1:1 ratio.
They have this fixation to have 1:1 ratio for the top accelerating gear and a maximum of 500cmc displacement per cylinder (this is not always respected for obvious reasons). Is like these numbers are some golden rules for them :)
Mzn T True. As I remember even the old Leon FR versions are brisk in traffic.
1M vs M235i vs M135i
It would be interesting to compare this standing start with a rolling start to see if the two were closer. But this kind of thoroughness is too much to expect I know.
I think it would've been the same really , the power would take the beemer a bit further still .
Willem Oldewage If that is the case, and it might be, then the fwd vs. rwd explanation wouldn't work for these two cars. Therefore it would be interesting to see.
his explanation of the shifting weight does make sense, but the seat still has the weight of the engine pushing down on the drive wheels, while the bmw doesn't. so I think the tire difference and transmission were the actual culprit here.
the real test would be a 20mph rolling start both cars 6 speed manual and both in second gear.
It would probably be pretty close, FWD cars are generally terrible from a dig (standing start). There's lots of videos on youtube of high powered FWD cars holding their own against equally or more powerful RWD cars in highway races with rolling starts. Like, a high powered turbocharged Civic and a Camaro or a Mustang. If you raced those same two cars from standing the FWD car would almost always lose due to wheelspin. In the case of a car that's running a lot of boost, turbo lag comes in to play too, but FWD has an inherent disadvantage in drag racing.
the BMW would win because as you can see, the 0-60 times are only a second different from eachother, yet the BMW crosses the line 1.4 seconds ahead of the Seat. This is all down to weight, power, and aerodynamics ofcourse, and though Seat have done a remarkable job on the Cupra, BMW still has the upper hand in experience in weight distribution and (I believe) in aerodynamics on sportsy cars.
Thank you for using the correct measurement system
Only halfway there, they still use miles per hour ;).
fesch03 what's wrong with using both? TH-cam is international. There is no wrong or right measurement system. Some of us use English/Empirical others use metric.
(BMW) 326CV vs 280CV (Seat), is that fair?!
The advantage is not from real wheel but from a massive power advantage!
Although I would like to see both on track!
I agree
Seat is lighter than the BMW...power is not all that matters. And Seat is much faster on the track....about 20 seconds per lap faster around Nurburgring.
derbigpr500 Nurburgring times are silly frankly as some cars are much quicker on a certain track while others are even quicker on other circuits.
Everyone knows just how conservative BMW and Germans are in general with their cars. Pull the speed limiter off and I bet it'd drop that gap down by probably 5 -10 seconds. I'll also remind you that you can't buy the Cupra that did that time either..
derbigpr500 This is a BMW that can keep pace head to head with the E46 M3 CSL. That SEAT would have to be one hell of a hatchback to beat it.
ewt415 someone finally sees what I see! That SEAT is definitely on another level IMO. Should manage well against the likes of VW GTI, Mazdaspeed 3 and etc...
Both nice cars, great video !!!
Thumbs up from me :D
Come on!!!!!! McLaren P1 vs Ferrari LaFerrari
with the 918 added for good measure.
332 ft lb vs 258 ft lb and 4.8s to 60 vs 5.7s. the outcome was inevitable
altern8ive 5.1 for manual m235i*
Not fair comparing 2 cars with such huge price differences and power differences.. The price, look up in your own country. Power 322 vs 280 bhp zzz - fun to see how the Cupra stacked up though, pretty good.
Power to weight is similar in these two, so the race isn't as unfair as everyone thinks, plus it's auto cupra and manual m235i. Owned both and cupra is best on tight twisty roads and BM is better at almost everything else with a fabulous roar from the straight 6
Show them some corners and the gap will be even bigger, in favor of Seat in that case though.
Yeah, a track battle could be interesting :)
In favor of Seat? Are you mad? A front wheel drive car doing a better job than a more powerful more balanced rear wheel drive car doing corners?
Don't be daft. The whole point of RWD is better handling.
João Fernandes Cupra lapped Nürburgring in 7:58:44 while BMW m135i (which is very similar to m235i) made it in 8:18. I dont think m235i will lap it 20 seconds faster than m135i.
CitralPL First of all, comparing a single lap time per car by *different drivers* is not indicative of anything. You could be comparing a professional driver and an amateur for all you know. Secondly, for every other track where these two cars have posted lap times, the M135i has beaten the Cupra. Source: fastestlaps website.
agera r vs 2cv
Evo GSR vs 2015 STI!!! Please compare
great video,predictable result tho
So where is the TRACK battle that you promised every Wednesday?
The Seat is probably twice as cheap and is at least as good as the BMW
"At least", bold claim I would say.
Anders Olsson
It would be bold if said it`s better, because everybody knows that in this comparison the BMW will be the winner no matter anything. But as huge VAG fan i`m glad that Seat managed to build such a nice car with reasonable price which can be real opponent to a car otherwise out of it`s league.
I thought the cupra will win thanks to it's DSG gearbox. Imagine if the m235i had the optional 8 speed and launch control function :O
If the bmw where equiped with the 8 speed auto gearbox the difference coud be even more abussive
Bring back the track battles!
Looking forward to a review of the Leon and a comparison to its closets rivals!
Of course bimmer is going to win this. Imagine if it had the 8 speed though :o
Then the 235i would've demolished that Seat like nothing
@@shiv135 I got a 8 speed ZF auto bmw m140i that things a rocket ship
Cupra would ve been dead off the line 😂😂
The winner was obvious, but man the Seat was close! Price is a LOT less too :)
These two cars are pretty much my "realistic" dream cars right now.
love these evo drag battles! keep em coming
Would be nice to also see what the difference would be with a rolling start.
Rolling races may come up with different results as I just got a new Cupra recently and a guy at work in his manual 235i couldn't keep up on a short carriageway. Sure he thought he was going to blast past me haha but it didn't work out for him.
Is your cupra DSG
@willpark7483 it was yeah. Don't have it now. Calmed down and got a hydrid Clio Alpine.
evo *needs* a new website.
Congrats to BMW, but I was amazed by how well Seat managed to keep up, despite being FWD and having less power :)
The BMW is no where near a family and a day to day car so... the winner is the Cupra!
Nobody claims that it is, but it's the better performing one.
If cupra is tuned or upgraded properly, it can leave it behind then 4 sure. Cupra is smart
Manual - no matter what people say about dual clutch transmisions, manual is always better choice. Eveen though this time video isn't about that.
You're stuck in the past...
Robertas Bukantis
Its fine dude, we can just be happy knowing were faster than our parents
wrong..
have the 458 with a manual... completely destroyed driving experience..
GLR26591 You can't have 458 with a manual and that is very bad thing.
The journalist clearly doesn't understand what he is talking about. The gap didn't remain consistent at all. Even looking at the video shows the BMW just walked away.
He says the gap stays consistent because there is 1sec difference for 0-60mph. and then 1.1sec difference at 1km.Totally irrelevant measurements that have nothing to do with each other. Some cars have 5-6secs between 0-60mph times and only 2secs difference on a quarter mile.
At 5secs when there was 1sec between each car reaching 60mph, there was only 1-2 car lengths in it with the Cupra almost making equal speed with the DSG gear change a a few points. The time difference between the cars crossing the same point on the road was minimal.
At the end there was 1.1sec between the cars travelling at (rough guess) 135-140mph) the gap would be around 62m.
That is actually a very sizeable margin.
I really can't believe a car journalist really just said that.
I'd like to see a rematch between the cupra r when its released, a closer match if your only doing point to point
Wow, rwd with more power and power to weight wins, really unexpected. Please make next video of Prius vs some 30K HP jet car. Always was wondering who would win a mile drag race.
some say that BMW should be compared to RS3... but you got to know that then it should be compared with M2... that would be fair since they would both be the top of the line in their models
Damage was done the entire strip. 1 sec is a lot of distance at 200kph, over 70 meters.
So the BMW was constantly pulling.
Great visual explanation!
Tell you what though you wouldn't be disappointed in the Cupra with it being nearly 15k cheaper than the Beemer. :D
Such a Nice car that Seat! Beautiful lines
Stupid battle imo. Physics, power to weight ratio, weight distribution, engine power + torque were all imassively in the BMW's favour. A 2.0 BMW 1 series would have made a lot more sense to demonstrate the difference between fwd and rwd. However, it does show how quick the Leon Cupra is considering it couldn't get all its power down on the tarmac and it was up against a car with 30+ bhp advantage, rwd and better weight distribution etc. etc.
Considering the drivetrain, power and torque disadvantages, the cupra r didn't do as bad as i was expecting.
In the end what was that, 3 car length?
not bad at all
HUGE misconception in explaining the gap difference between the BMW and the Cupra. Having a 1sec advantage to 1000m is WAY different from having a 1sec advantage from 0-60mph. You CAN NOT compare acceleration to a SPECIFIED SPEED and acceleration to achieve a SPECIFIED DISTANCE, these are TWO DIFERENT CONCEPTS. 1s advantage in 1000m is far a bigger difference then 1s from 0-60mph. Thing is, when both these cars achieve 60mph, the Seat is still relatively close to the BMW (1 car behind? 2 cars behind?). However, the BMW keeps opening the gap, by the end of the 1000m mark, it can be over 10 cars ahead of the Seat, that's what a 1sec difference represents by the time these cars reach post-1km speeds. EVO, please fix that.
Evo should do more vids like this one :)
try rolling start, to see the real difference if any
Loved this!!
Even if the Cupra had beaten the M235i off the line the sheer torque of the 6 pot turbo would have got it after the first quarter mile
Off the line BMW has the advantage being RWD. From 30-120mph power to weight is the most important factor, advantage BMW 10bhp/ton higher, after 120mph power and aerodynamics come into play, advantage BMW with its 45bhp extra over the seat. Result was inevitable, seat did ok considering though
Why not do a rolling start?
M2 3.0 320hp vs Cupra 2.0 280hp...Fail test ! But I must give credit to Cupra, it sticks to BMW all the way, gap between 2 of the cars is small considering a big difference in power.
One of them is a 3 litre, 6 cylinder engine and the other one is a 2.0l - 4 cylinder. Also the price of the BMW is double. It is not a very fair competition.
think you should used the BMW auto transmission too, although maybe that would of been to much?
You forgot to mention the BMWs extra 1 litre displacement generating 28% more torque
cupra is nice car and i hope they continue doing these sporty yet practical cars. 235i is #2 in this class of smaller sport cars behind cayman.
and what about All wheel drive then ??
Next time have the P1 vs Lferrari
Is this Leon Cupra 260 or 285hp?
Look at that paintwork on the Seat at 0:45!
Both great cars, for slightly different reasons
On a normal wet road ?
Vidéo simple et efficace ! Merciii
222 vs 212 bhp it says or my bad? cos as i know cupra is 280?
there all variety of race cars. touring cars are all front wheel drive (except bmws) rally cars are AWD and GT and more powerful cars are rear wheel drive. fwd cars are more efficient at low power.
vs. Golf 7 R please!
do a 50-200 or 100-200km/h race
a running start wouldn't have been better?
i predicted BMW to win as well but i thought Leon Cupra to be quicker off a line because engine pushes front wheels.
212hp? Doesnt it have 290?
shockwave1xD I thought that but they mean per tonne.
Price gap?
Wet condition would probably upset the bmw especially if cornering is involved
M235i £36000
Seat Leon Cupra280 £28000
And you wonder why the BM is a little bit quicker.
Straight 6 + RWD = WIN
C'mon man.. you can't compare the two... the M235i it's alwost twice as much expensive..
nope bout 50%
The Seat is a beaut
I think the outcome of this one was obvious before either car turned a wheel.....
RWD vs 4WD (Golf R...for instance) would have been a fairer test.
And, the Bimmer wins :)
Obvious who was going to win here. The Seat is a pretty good car, but BMW is on another level.
....and the other reason is......the 125i has way more torque and power.
how about price ? ;]
Golf 7 r vs 235?
Do not forget he finishing line speeds please!!!
Selling the RS5. Getting a 6-speed M235i.
What a downgrade haha
Marcel K Only someone who has never owned an RS5 would say that. My RS5 is a 4,200 lb, torque-deprived pig riding on extremely stiff suspension while guzzling gas and throwing around its occupants due to jerky S-Tronic shifts. The M235i is an agile, well-proportioned sports car meant as a true driver's car, available with a 6-speed manual, and more torque than the RS5's V8.
The RS5 is a show car for pretty boys, the M235i is for those who know what driving is all about.
Im just watching price and hp. Its actually a downgrade
Marcel K Yikes. No offense, but you don't know much about cars, do you?
Anyone who judges a car based on price and stated horsepower is absolutely missing the point.
Sure i do. Why dont we speak german? I could easy explain you why its a downgrade. You cant judge a car bec it has more or less torque with a bigger or little engine. And a cheaper car, like from rs5 to 235m is a fucking downgrade! Rs5 is on m4 level, and not the 2 tier less 235m
I really wanted to see the M235i Vs the new Golf R. I know I know 4WD VS RWD but still.
Plus I feel manual is far more better than DSG . I knew straight away the BMW will win. All hail Manual.
Looks like the Leon Cupra took a Seat!
Front wheel drive in a sports car is wrong, wrong, wrong....last time i had a front wheel drive 'vehicle' it had 3 wheels with the pedals connected directly to the front wheel.
I mean, let's be fair here. You can get a 2ltr 2 series which is a little more fair.
I'm not sure but i think 46 ps are making here the difference.
Come on, R!
The seat leon cupra 290 gets the same time on the nordschleife of the nürburgring as a bmw m2 .
If the RWD car was slightly less powerful than the FWD car, I would have been impressed. This is just kicking in an open door...
The Leon is a Golf in a hat.
I don't understand this Seat brand. What is it? Why does it exist? Why should I buy one? Yes it's a bit prettier than its Golf sibling, but not by much and it's certainly not meaningfully different, nor is it cheaper. At least Skoda are going somewhere with the whole "clever" thing by making the Yeti and Superb.
you dont say -.- the 325HP BMW winns vs. the 265HP Seat -.-
Similar power/weight ratios
Jonathan R. the M235i has 4,51 kg/PS and the Seat has 5,7 kg/PS Should this be fair ???
HCD488 you're looking at this the wrong way. As Harry said (you really should listen to the video), the M235i has 222hp/ton, while the Cupra has 212hp/ton.
I would say yes, that's pretty fair.
But it's a matter of traction, as I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cupra winning if it had AWD, despite it's "lack" of power.
Jonathan R. yes but the cupra dont want to be so fast as the bmw is ...
the Cupra r will be the better opponent .... but i understand what you mean
when to Cars has the same HP per ton the rear wheeldrive is faster from not to .. :-)
HCD488 I like the Cupra as well, but I would never know because we'll never these sweet little hatches here Stateside.
I hear the Megane RS is a killer too, perhaps they should have compared it to the Cupra instead.
Or, the Audi S3 would've been a better opponent for sure
That's why bmw's are inherently good cars.
Cupra did better than I thought.
Why do so many people say these drags are never fair. Get with the programme you Muppets, do you just want identical cars putting up identical times all day. It shows two quick cars with different setups and the advantages when booting it off the line. Not difficult.