so long that there are 3 persons = 1 God this teachings is anti christ..bcuz THERE is always 1 God and no one must compare God to an egg ,to a rope ,husband and wife etc etc..GOD IS 1 MANIFESTED INTO 3 WITNESSES OR CHARACTERS...GOD is not a person at all...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS gOD HEAD ...these 3 are 1 that manifested in 3 characters for the plan of salvation..end of the story...GOD DONT BEAR A CHILD...BUT HAS LOTS OF CHILDREN..GOD IS 1 BUT GOD IS NOT ALONE...
@@ronwaldoreyes2162 Lets try sticking to what the bible says and that God is the Father, Jesus is his son and our savior and the Holly Spirit is God's active force. There are many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” "Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. * "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
@@MarioGabrielJ02 modalidm cant make sense because Jesus and the father talk to each other. If there all diffrent forms of the same God, thst wouldn't be possible
@@Frazier16 No shit I know that the bible teach trinity but that still don’t make sense, and please stop defending a fairy tale. God can’t be separated from creation cause it’s infinite
It's confusing because it's man-made doctrine. 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead, and the Bible warns against doctrine like the Trinity. Colossians 2:8-9 KJV [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus has always existed as the Father. Isaiah 9:6 KJV [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 44:6 KJV [6] Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:8 KJV [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. God the Father came to Earth in flesh through his Son Jesus. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Philippians 2:6-11 NLT [6] Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. [9] Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, [10] that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. The Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. John 14:10-11 NLT [10] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. [11] Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do. Exodus 3:14 NLT [14] God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.” John 8:58 NLT [58] Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!” Deuteronomy 6:4 NLT [4] “Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. Isaiah 43:10-11 NLT [10] “But you are my witnesses, O Israel!” says the Lord. “You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God- there never has been, and there never will be. [11] I, yes I, am the Lord, and there is no other Savior.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
The best way I've come to approach understanding is this: "Jesus is the literal word of God made flesh... And the Holy Spirit is the incarnate love God has for His Word." This maintains each person while also having them fully reliant on each other.
This is the easiest way. Terms we find in the Bible. God's son. God's holy spirit. However, no God's father is found anywhere. Why? Let Paul tell us: (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us ONE GOD, THE FATHERr, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is God. The other two belong to God.
@@tongakhan230 The Trinity is a 4D concept that entered the 3D plane and those in the 3D plane are trying to understand its complex nature John 1:1 John 10:30 Hebrews 1:8 Matthew 1:13 2 Peter 1:1
@@LordePhantom : If the Trinity was true, then it would mean that no worshiper of the God of the Bible, be it, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David, Jesus and others, had no idea who God is. That would make them blind worshipers. Jesus told the Samaritan woman: (John 4:22) You worship what you do not know; WE WORSHIP WHAT WE KNOW, because salvation begins with the Jews. Jesus certainly knew the God he worshiped. He made this clear: (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is JEHOVAH YOUR GOD you must worship, and it is TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’” Jesus obeyed this law. A bizarre concept of God being made of three called the Trinity coming in the 4th Century was a fulfillment of: (Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Twisted things are still being debated as people cannot come to terms with it.
@@itapinfomaps6233I don't believe in trinitarian doctrine and I believe that Jesus died as a man and was faithful that God would raise him from the dead in both a confirmation of his faith and service and a declaration to the entire world that his message was true and he was indeed the Son of God. This is the final sign that would be shown to the world and served as an analogue to Jonah's dwelling in the belly of the fish.
Analogy is one of our best tools of understanding. We are trying to understand the incomprehensible, but God wants us to know Him. There are better analogies and I don’t think it’s wrong to hash out better ways to grasp what cannot be fully grasped
We always misunderstand Him, but surely God adores the attempt to make sense. We are to think of whatever is lovely, pure, holy, true, good, and perfect. There is no law against such things. This also implies we can be wrong in our understanding as long as we frame it correctly by the lense of truth. God made us curious by default. Jesus himself used analogy and stories to convey what is holy
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 Yes that is true. But Scripture also says Gods thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are above ours. I think we become fools when we claim to know every piece of Scripture fully. It’s sort of another paradox where Scripture can be taught and understood, but in other areas our minds can’t grasp it all
@@MrPokoloco Deuteronomy 29:29 “The things concealed belong to Jehovah our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our descendants forever, so that we may carry out all the words of this Law. 1 Corinthians 2:10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God. You are correct, we may not know everything about God, but when it comes to the scriptures, which he gave us, we should now what is in it. “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
@@itapinfomaps6233 there is a difference between knowing what something says and what it means. I’m not claiming it’s impossible, but there are many debates on pretty unclear topics. There are many mysteries written in the word we have trouble comprehending. I don’t think Scripture tells us we will comprehend every detail here on Earth. I comprehend everything in some way, but other ways it makes me think. That’s one of God’s own desires is that we meditate upon the Word. I don’t mean anything ill against God or you. 2:Peter 3:15-16 would at least suggest it takes a lot of work to understand some things. Contemplate the possibility that God didn’t reveal everything He could have for example. I don’t mean to say it’s not “understandable” as a whole. Only some things are hard to grasp, and some may not be able to grasp everything with 100% confidence…we always have to learn more and grow more
Nice video. Every analogy used to describe the trinity ends up depicting a heretical ontology. Usually partialism or modalism. Along with the egg analogy, Ive often heard the water one too. The former being a prime example of partialism and the latter depicting modalism.
@@luxbookplanners I'll give it my best shot: God's sentience is plural, with a consciousness that multi personal yet succinct and homogeneous. Transcendent and imminent. paradoxical for our feeble Human mind which cannot square this contradictory nature with this logic shattering revelation
mrwill1779, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 You got a lot right. You’re brighter than the most of them. I just like to point out some honest things, not to offend you, but I hope it might help you to find the truth. The error that you made is that, it seems to me that you are too much equalizing the Three. They are not one! Nobody says that they are one. If you equals them, you stepped into an error thats called “vain-names-ism”, that is to say that the Three has no differential essence in them. And then it seems to me that you falled into some kind of modalism. But if you say, no, the Three exist simultaneously, not one at a time. Well, that’s just a form of modalism, called “three-simultant-modalism”, that the three as different modes exist at the same time. That’s not true either. Another point, if you say that God separated Himself and a part incarnated as the Son, then you failed in the fully godness of Jesus. You are essentially saying that Jesus is not the complete God, just part of God, and that another part of God remained in heaven. The church doesn’t agree with that, nor the church fathers, ….. let me say it honestly, thats a form of full-fledged idolatry. The Egyptians believed in such separation concepts.
MegaTechno2000, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Modalism The theological doctrine that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) under which God manifests himself
@@MegaTechno2000 , I am NOT a modalist and I do NOT belong to any Christian Denomination. I am a Christian and I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN. The important point is to SEEK THE TRUTH. Do you believe The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
@@alphonsedenny4962 The Nicene Creed A.D. 325 I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Sahidic Coptic version corroborates early Christian Christology in many of its readings. This is especially true regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, since the most that can be read from Coptic John 1:1c is that "the Word was divine," not "the Word was God." Literally, what the Coptic version says is "the Word was a god." This is consistent with what historians know about the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. As one edition of the New Encyclopedia Britannica puts it, "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament....The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies." (Micropedia, Volume X, p. 126) It was not until the 4th Christian century that the doctrine of the Trinity was firmly established in the churches. Likewise, the book Encyclopedia of Early Christianity, edited by Everett Ferguson, says, "Primitive Christianity, like Judaism, was distinguished from paganism by its unqualified monotheism." (page 912) This "unqualified monotheism" also distinguished the Christology of primitive Christianity from later Trinitarianism. Since the Sahidic Coptic version pre-dates the 4th century, being dated in the late 2nd or early 3rd century, it is not surprising that it does not labor under the doctrine of the Trinity. Not only does the Coptic version refrain from identifying Jesus as God Almighty at John 1:1c. It also does not contain the Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7 ("these three are one"), nor speak of 'the church of God which he purchased with his own blood,' (Acts 20:28) nor does it say that 'God was manifested in the flesh.' (1 Timothy 3:16) Rather, it speaks of the "church of the Lord" and says merely "this one who" was manifested in the flesh at 1 Timothy 3:16, not "God." Nor does it contain the added words at John 3:13, "[the Son of man] who is in heaven," which incorrectly indicates that Jesus could be God in heaven and Man on earth at the same time. Instead, like the earliest extant Greek manuscript of the Gospel of John, the p66 [Papyrus Bodmer II], the Sahidic Coptic text omits that unauthorized addition. Other renderings of the Sahidic Coptic version also corroborate the fact that early Christian Christology, while an exalted Christology, was 'unqualifiedly monotheistic,' not Trinitarian. The Coptic readings are theologically neutral and frequently very literal readings of the New Testament Greek text
There are plenty of biblical scholars that could refute this. Liberal scholarship starts with conclusions and find what they need to reduce Christianity to mere human origin.
We are created in the image of God. We are #1 body, #2 soul, #3 spirit... Body=Jesus, Soul=Father, spirit=Holy Spirit. I've never heard anyone explain it this way but it's how I see it so far. In my life I focus on Jesus but talk to all 3 at different times. I don't think we will fully understand until we get home.
Question: Can your body go to the Gym, while your soul go Shopping and your spirit goes Swimming? Because according the Trinitarian, Jesus, the part of God, came down the earth, while the Father, the other part of God was still in heaven to resurrect Jesus along with the Holly Spirit of God. Did part of God died when Jesus died and was resurrected and if so can your Soul and Body die while your spirit lives on or can your Spirit and Body die while your Soul lives on? Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says: "Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. * "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
@@itapinfomaps6233 1. ”I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.“ Isaiah 42:8 ESV 2. “By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’“ Isaiah 45:23 ESV 3. ”so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Philippians 2:10-11 ESV 4. ”And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” Revelation 5:13 ESV
Okay, so to piece together a quick summary: The Trinity is composed of three separate, distinct persons, those being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and each of these persons are equally God, the same God. If that’s the truth, then please, can someone help me out on how this equals 1 God and not 3, because if you have three, separate, distinct persons, they can’t all be the same thing, that defeats the very concept of being separate and distinct.
JohnDoe-i7f, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Yeah i have to agree. Even Jesus says that “No man hath seen God at any time” when people clearly saw Jesus, so i don’t know how he could be god. These are just my thoughts though.
On its face the Trinity doctrine sits on the fence of polytheism, Modelism and Tri-theism while at its core it denies that Jesus Christ is truly the only begotten Son of the Living God, the only true God as Jesus stated in John 17:3-5. To deny that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God is to deny both the Father and His Son as stated in 1 John 2:22-24. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 1 John 2:22-24 KJV One thing I always love to ask Trinitarian's is this: In John 20:21-22 while Jesus Christ was in the upper room with His Disciples did Jesus breathe "another person" on the Disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on the Disciples? To say anything other than His OWN Holy Spirit is to deny that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father and thus deny Jesus Christ is divine by nature of being the Son of God. Examine the Trinity doctrine Creed thoroughly and it is easy to reject it as Unbiblical.
@@joshclips2053 I believe in Our Heavenly Father and His only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Read: John 14:22-24, 16:1-3, 17:3-5, 1 Corinthians 2:9-16, 8:6, and 11:3. 1 John 2:22-24!
1. EUSEBIUS (C. 260-C. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying UPON THE POWER OF CHRIST, WHO HAD SAID TO THEM, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. MATTHEW 28 17 AND WHEN THEY SAW HIM, THEY WORSHIPED HIM; BUT SOME DOUBTED. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE UNTO THEM SAYING “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. HAVING READ THAT JESUS SAID THE ABOVE VERSES TO HIS DISCIPLES; ARE YOU STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS “THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES” WOULD TELL THE DISCIPLES TO BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF AN IDOL OF THREE IN ONE. NO! JESUS SAID BAPTISE IN “MY NAME” AND HIS DISCIPLES DID JUST THAT.YES! - THIS TRINITY IS COUNTERFEIT ROCK AND IS OF SIMON MAGUS, WHO, MAYBE HE WAS [THE FIRST SERIOUS ANTICHRIST TO CHALLENGE THE AUTHORITY OF OUR SAVIOUR JESUS THE CHRIST THROUGH - SIMONISM.] AND OFFERED SIMON PETER MONEY TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND PEOPLE TO THIS DAY QEUE UP WITH THEIR MONEY TO RECEIVE THE SAME - BUT! THAT BLESSING THEY RECEIVE IS A SCAM. ACTS 4 12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. REVELATION 21 6 AND HE SAID TO ME, “IT IS DONE! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END. TO THE THIRSTY I WILL GIVE FROM THE SPRING OF THE WATER OF LIFE WITHOUT PAYMENT.
anneoise7599, YOU STATED "HAVING READ THAT JESUS SAID THE ABOVE VERSES TO HIS DISCIPLES; ARE YOU STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS “THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES” WOULD TELL THE DISCIPLES TO BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF AN IDOL OF THREE IN ONE" - If God is NOT Triune, why did Jesus tell us to Baptise "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT"? ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! Why didn't Jesus command us to baptise "in the Name of The Father" only OR ""in the Name of The Son" only OR ""in the Name of The Holy Spirit" only? If Jesus wanted us to baptise "in the Name of The Son/Jesus" He would have said so, BUT JESUS SAID TO BAPTISE "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT" TO SHOW US THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME ONE NAME "YHWH". SO, BAPTISM SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NAME OF "YHWH"
Frasesdepositividad, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
zcinc6902, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Inspiring Philosophy has a good vid on this. He describes the trinity as a 4d object in a 3d world. We have trouble grasping a being with 3 persons yet to a being predating time and space 1=3 and 3=1.
His idea is rejected by the churches. So it's pointless even though I can understand his perspective but this clip and church perspective is confusing. Their perspective makes God from 1 to 3 everytime.
christieperpignan8522, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Just saw this video........thanks for your presentation. Love to make some comments just about the Holy Spirit....firstly I find these two verses very interesting that are describing Jesus words in the same situation but in two accounts - Matthew and Luke. Mathew 12 :28 KJ - "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you." Luke 11:20 KJ - "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you." Here we see in Lukes account that the Holy Spirit that Matthew describes, is also described as Gods finger. This perfectly fits in with the Hebrew scriptures that describes Gods fingers in action accomplishing his will and works and in creation - Ex 31:18, Ex 8:19, Deut 9:10, Ps 8:3 Yes the magic practicing priests in Ex 8:18-19 were forced to admit that that the plagues on Egypt were an exhibition of Yahweh's superior power acknowledging "it is the finger of God!" Therefore, it looks to me the Bible is simply saying (and interpreting itself) that the Holy spirit is Gods fingers or his power in action, that he uses and gives to others to use or be strengthened by, as he sees fit. It is not independent of him any more than our fingers are not independent of us on our hands. He allowed Jesus in the above verses to use his holy spirit to cast out demons. Then also to help and comfort the minds and hearts of his disciples up to now (as a side point If Jesus was God, he would not need the help of another person to do this, but he needs Gods Holy spirit - yes Gods finger to do what he did and is still doing from heaven for his disciples) But here is a question ...... Q/ Did the ancient Israelites, the 1st Century Christians and writers and followers of Christ believed that the holy spirit was a person? 1/ Clearly Luke didn't think so as he referred to Gods Holy spirit as Gods finger and not to a person separate from God. Much like a craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it which is what Luke described as well as other Bible writers. 2/ It was first in the fourth century C.E. when some theologians claimed that the holy spirit was a person who was somehow equal to God. The Encyclopedia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” So this was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died. Yes this idea was not taught in the Scriptures or by the early followers of Christ. It came much later. 3/ The New Catholic Encyclopedia explains: “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God’s spirit is simply God’s power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly.” The same source adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” Yes the the ancient Israelites (Gods people) never ever thought of Gods spirit as a person. Not one verse in the Hebrew scritpures give any hint of that at all. 4/ The Bible compares the holy spirit to water. When promising future blessings for his people, God said: “I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants.”-Isaiah 44:3. 5/ In Theological Investigations, Karl Rahner, S.J., admits: “Θεός [God] is still never used of the Spirit,” and: “ὁ θεός [literally, the God] is never used in the New Testament to speak of the πνεῦμα ἅγιον [holy spirit].”-(Baltimore, Md.; 1961), translated from German, Vol. I, pp. 138, 143. 6/ Interestingly John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force - Matt 3:11, Acts 2:4, Acts 2:17 7/ Nowhere in the Bible is the holy spirit mentioned with God and Christ as being equal to them. For instance, on the occasion of Jesus’ baptism, Mark 1:10 shows that the holy spirit came down upon Jesus “like a dove,” not in a human form or as a person. The holy spirit was not some person coming upon Jesus but was God’s power his active force. That power from God enabled Jesus to heal the sick and resurrect the dead. As Luke 5:17 says “And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them". Later, at Pentecost, the apostles also were given the power from God to heal the sick and raise the dead. Did that make them part of a triune godhead? No, they were simply given power from God, through Christ, to do what humans ordinarily could not do. 8/ After Jesus was resurrected, Stephen had a vision of heaven and “caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” So only two separate persons were in evidence in heaven: (1) God and (2) the resurrected Jesus Christ. No holy spirit is mentioned in this vision because it was not any third person of a Trinity. The holy spirit, being God’s active power, would proceed from God but not as a separate being. That is why Stephen saw only two persons, not three. - Acts 7:55 9/ Is the Holy spirit personified that gives it qualities like a person in a figurative way? Yes of course. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. For example, wisdom is said to have works and children, and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness. Similarly, when the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a helper (greek - paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. as it emanates from God himself. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” However, he did so because the Greek word for helper (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun "it" which he would never do if it was a person - John 16:7-15, John 14:16, 17. Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21, Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11. Have a lovely day 😊
Thank you so much for this. I have been so confused with the divide in this belief, the trinity or not the trinity. This has made more sense and I understand now. Thank you❤
The best metaphor I found is a Trion Re: a 3-dimensional shape with 3 sides. All 3 sides are distinct from each other, yet can be considered to wholly make up the shape, and cannot be divided from it without collapsing the form of the entire shape. 3-dimensions, but one subject/form.
UltriLeginaXI, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 maybe dont yell so much when typing. And no, the trinity are not three forms of God as the Son is reported as talking to the Father. This would not happen if the trinity are three incarnations/forms of God as he cannot take on two forms simultaneously; A relative example is water cannot be liquid and solid at the same time; that is illogical. God is three persons in one being, all 3 fully God yet distinct in relation to eachother. Refer to my previous metaphor: The Trion Re; 3-dimensions in one shape, three subjects which are distinct from the other subjects, and yet fully of and inseparable from the whole
@@UltriLeginaXI , You stated "the trinity are not three forms of God as the Son is reported as talking to the Father" - Isn't God The Father YHWH THE SAME GOD as "Jesus" but in different forms? Or are you saying that they are different Gods? You stated "water cannot be liquid and solid at the same time; that is illogical" - IT CAN, example ICE melting. WATER CAN BECOME ICE OR VAPOUR, BUT IT IS STILL WATER! Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20?? GOD CAN BE SEPARATE BUT NOT DISTINCT! ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8! Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! You stated "God is three persons in one being, all 3 fully God yet distinct in relation to each other" - so,you believe the Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
@@UltriLeginaXI , YOU ASKED "where in the bible does it teach the father is the son?" - Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
Isaiah 48:16 is another text where the three members of the Godhead are present: Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.
That is about Cyrus the pagan King whom God used to liberate the Jews from Babylon. Is this desperate times call for desperate measures. Isaiah 44:28 The One saying of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd, And he will completely carry out all my will’; The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’ And of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’” 45 This is what Jehovah says to his ANOINTED ONE, TO CYRUS, Whose right hand I have taken hold of To subdue nations before him, To disarm kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut:
@@tongakhan230 Interesting, I never knew the king of Cyrus was the first and the last and creator of the universe in the same way that Hebrews 1:10 describes Jesus. Isaiah 48:12-13 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
@@tongakhan230 Also, though your attempt to explain away the passage failed, even if it did work, it is clearly saying that God and His Spirit sent Him.
@@someoneelse7351 : God is in heaven. How does God enable things to happen far away on earth? Heard of Newtons first law. It basically states that nothing will happen unless a force acts. God's holy spirit is an active force from God that enables things to happen. John 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father WILL SEND in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you. How did Moses keep the waters of the Red Sea up? Certainly not by raising his rod. It was a FORCE from God that made it happen. Picking some random scripture to prove something that should have shown up all over the Bible, if it was true, is not a way to go. Unless someone is trying to justify his personal beliefs to himself.
@@someoneelse7351 : Cyrus, the pagan King and God's son Jesus were both anointed by God for a purpose. Does that mean that Jesus and Cyrus are one and the same individual? God CANNOT ANOINT HIMSELF. (Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation more than your companions.” This is talking about Jesus, the ANGEL son of God.
gonzaloenrique8741, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Exactly right, ideas developed later which probably are not aligned with the scriptures. The true interpretation has to be solely based on the scriptures not in some catholic council
Thank you for this video, this is a reality that humans (including myself) must humble ourselves that are thoughts & ways are not God’s thoughts & ways. It’s okay to not fully comprehend the nature of God.
These are the teachings of men, "nature of God" is not in the Bible nor is a trinity. You are actually quoting Greek philosophy while saying it is God's thoughts. Nothing could be further from reality.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
@@NevenaVidakovic "in order that they may be one just as we are one." John 17:22 Jesus prayed that his followers would be one, just as him and his Father are one. Does that mean Jesus wanted his followers to be partly God? Or was he asking for them to be unified and one in purpose as he is with his Father? Even marriage in the Bible we are told man and wife become "one flesh", is that literal? Would anyone reading that come away thinking that marriage turns two people into a single person literally?
junjun972, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 thank you for your explanation but why on Mark 13:32 Jesus says this??? ““However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.” Mark 13:32 NLT Jesus says the Son doesn’t knows ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS ? That seems to me two different persons. There are just things about our Creator that we won’t understand with our limited minds. We are still the creation. Without Faith is IMPOSSIBLE to please God(Hebrews 11:6). Faith is the assurance of what can’t be seen (Hebrews 11:1) If it was meant for us to understand everything then there’s no point in having faith about anything.
@@junjun972 , BEING HUMAN, Jesus spoke the words of Mark 13:32. DURING THE TIME JESUS WAS ON EARTH HE WAS 100% HUMAN, not both human and God as many Christians WRONGLY think/believe. Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels" & Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour" ARE PROOF OF THIS. Jesus had made it clear that His miracles were done by God The Father, John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing". If Jesus was God DURING HIS TIME ON EARTH, WHY DID HE PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER ASKING FOR HIS GLORY TO BE RESTORED? This show that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth. Can God suffer pain, can God feel hungry, tired, thirsty? Can God die - BEING HUMAN, Jesus died! BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH saying “You are the only true God”. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said “the father is greater than I” John 14:28. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only" MATTHEW 24:36. AFTER HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN , HE RECEIVED BACK HIS GLORY (His Name YHWH and His Title "God" - "Thy Throne O God") - Philippians 2:9. GOD THE FATHER WILL NEVER CALL ANYONE ELSE "GOD” EXCEPT HIMSELF (in the flesh)! THE IMPORTANT FACT IS WHO IS JESUS NOW IN HEAVEN, not what He was during His short time on earth! It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
You're not a Christian for knowing the Trinity, you're a Christian for knowing Christ and believing in Him, His resurrection and deliverance from sin. God incarnated in a human body precisely so that you may know Him, not something far and impenetrable as the Father. And through Jesus is how you get to know the rest of the Trinity, by being born again through faith in the Son and receiving the Spirit that teaches all things. Amen
Regarding your second question, there's no contradiction between omnipotence and being Three, unless you're implying that one should win if they fight between them, which is ridiculous since they're the same Person
@@paperIrori There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
So true. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - New Century Version (NCV) 33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. As is true in all the churches of God’s people, 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 The Lord our God said in the old testament: I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God. - Isaiah 44:6. The same He spoke in the new testament: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Revelation 22:13. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Jules-yb1ng, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
POPE BENEDICT XVI: “The Father is love, the Son is love, and the Spirit is love. The greatest proof that we are made in the image of the Trinity is that only love makes us happy, because we live to love and to be loved. Even God does not exist in solitude, but in perfect communion. Therefore, the human person, made in the image of God, fulfills himself or herself in love.” ST. AUGUSTINE: “If you see love, you see the Trinity.’
Catholicity-uw2yb, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Ok Electricity, you cant see it. There are many small parts, photon neutron, electron. Put together you have electricity. Taken apart you have just 3 parts. You cant see it, but you can be shocked by it, you can feel its heat when you use it you can hear its hum over powerlines sometimes you can smell it when the air is right. Even when you eat an egg, do you eat the shell?
@@stvargas69 According to the trinity doctrine, The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all equally God. But photon, neutron and electron are not electricity individually.
You do realize that the whole point of bringing up the egg analogy was to purposely show an INCORRECT approach, right? He said at the end of that portion that each part of the egg isn’t fully the egg, it’s only a part of the
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
The phrase "God the Father" appears many times in the New Testament, but the phrase "God the Son" does not appear at all. If Jesus were part of a Godhead, the second person of the Trinity, you would think that this phrase would appear. Neither does the phrase "God the Holy Spirit". On the other hand, Jesus is referred to many times as "God's Son" or the "Son of God".
@@jollyrancher521 God The Son is just another way of saying the Son of God though, and the Holy Spirit is mentioned many times, just without "God The" at the beginning.
The Father has a hand in everything.. And the ways of the Father should try to be understood by everyone.. I have had many visions and dreams of The Father..
God is and always will be beyond human understanding and comprehension. That does not mean we can't understand Him on a moral, limited level. Those that think God can be explained are putting Him in a box. Any "god" that can be explained simply isn't worth worshiping but the Most High IS worth everything.
I believe you are right in your comment. But making three persons in one God is just too farfetched in my opinion. Doesn't really align with the Scripture. It's pure interpretation trying to explain what may seem hard figuring out. Three persons in one God is like borrowing a concept from Hinduism or some other pagan theory
@@PauloSilva252the hindu trimurti as well as the hundred of pagan trios are different to the triune God,because those are 3 gods operating as one and the triune God is One God(one eternal being) that is 3 persons,same will,you just need to accept what is biblical,and then question,we cant try to make sense so we can believe it,we just simply obey him as it is written,even if we dont understand it,also only people that dont resist the Holy Spirit are able to accept this truth
Lol, what this means is that God must be against reason and logic and say, “I am one, but there are three.” Is this God worthy of worship? This is the absurdity of God. If he were to die and be crucified, this is a weak God who does not deserve to be worshiped. Perhaps it is better for me to worship myself because I do not I will not pray or be insulted like this
I know of another "triune relationship". Liquid water, ice and water vapor are not the same - and yet, they are of the same substance - (H2O). Our Triune God is beyond our understanding, and yet, He may have left us a ubiquitous clue to understanding His incredibly complex nature.
1 Corinthians 14:33 - New Century Version (NCV) 33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. As is true in all the churches of God’s people, 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 I am not confused as to who He is. I speak of the Triune nature of God. This often confuses people - especially non-Christians. It does not confuse me. I accept it and know, that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God. :-)
@@itapinfomaps6233 , The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states the following: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”
... From the vocabulary and grammar of the Greek original, the intention of the hagiographer to communicate singleness of essence in three distinct Persons was easily derived. ... If it is clear on one side that the dogma of the Trinity in the stricter sense of the word was a late arrival, product of 3 centuries' reflection and debate, it is just as clear on the opposite side that confession of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-and hence an elemental Trinitarianism-went back to the period of Christian origins. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1965, Trinity, p299-300)
@@jimjuri6490 If you're twisting this verse 1 Corinthians 8:6 into saying this means the Son cant be God then the Father cant be Lord, as it says there is one Lord Jesus. It also says 'from whom all things came' applying it to the father then applies it to the Son the same verse 'through whom all things came'?
@@johnmurphy588 : The God and the Lord of True Christians are shown to be two separate individuals. (re 1 Cor 8:6). Jesus and his DISCIPLES worship the Father, the Only True God who is in heaven (Matt 6:9, John 17:3, 20:17). Addressing someone as Lord doesn't make them God. The UK Parliament is full of Lords. God worked THROUGH his firstborn son to bring creation into being. (Proverbs 8:30) Then I was beside him (ie. God) AS A MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; This firstborn angel (whom we came to know in human form as Jesus), never did any creating of his own. See Hebrews 1:2. Believing what a scripture clearly states and looking for excuses not to believe. Why? Because it conflicts with what someone has been told? Trust the Bible.
Lets try sticking to what the bible says and that God is the Father, Jesus is his son and our savior and the Holly Spirit is God's active force. There are many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” "Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. * "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
it has been revealed throughout the prophets that 💙God💙 is absolutely Singular and perfectly Unique without similarities and without partitions......... what is suddenly happening in the bible and the gospels!!!!!
@@LordePhantom Illah Elloh Ala Allah Ellah Yallah Ôllé 💙 Dieu 💙 n'a pas uniquement crée l'hébreu Allah est écrit dans toutes les révélations de Adam à Muhammad-im
Incorrect. Nowhere does the Bible say God is “absolutely singular”. It only claims God is “one”, NOT absolutely singular. Stop making up false allegations. You have enough of that already coming from the false prophet Muhammad(Police be upon him)
Mainstream Christian doctrine defines God as eternally existing in three consubstantial, coequal divine persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This Trinity doctrine emerged centuries after Jesus through theological controversies. However, scrutinizing Jesus’ 1st century Jewish historical context reveals discrepancies between the developed Trinity and Jesus’ own strictly monotheistic faith. Jesus' Jewish Monotheistic Background Jesus operated within the exclusively monotheistic milieu of Second Temple Judaism in the 1st century CE. Jews worshipped only the one God of Israel. Deuteronomy 6:4's Shema, which Jesus recited regularly, proclaims “The Lord our God is one.” Jesus affirmed Judaism’s uncompromising monotheism in his teaching and worship. There are no Trinitarian formulations in Jewish literature from Jesus’ time. Jews rejected any perceived weakening of monotheism. Jesus, as the Messiah, never contravened ingrained Jewish beliefs in God’s absolute oneness. The worship of one indivisible God was integral to his spiritual life and mission (Ehrman, 2020). New Testament Language on God and Jesus The New Testament contains no explicit Trinity doctrine. Jesus refers to God using typical Jewish monotheistic terms - Lord, Father, King. He prays submissively to God and aligns his will with God's, affirming Judaism's unitary concept of God (McGrath, 2011). Jesus and God are described as distinct, with God the Father superior. “The Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) This differentiation upholds the boundaries of Jewish monotheism (Athanasius, 2010). While presenting Jesus' profound significance, the New Testament does not impose a radical new understanding of divinity. Christ is exalted yet not equated as an absolute deity. The text thus preserves Jewish monotheism’s parameters when speaking of God and Jesus (Ehrman, 2014). Emergence of the Trinity Doctrine The Trinity emerged through centuries of post-apostolic debates on Christ's metaphysical identity. Hellenistic philosophical concepts introduced new ontological notions of divinity applied to Jesus outside his original Jewish context (Pelikan, 1971). For instance, John 1:1 incorporates Logos ideas: “The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But grammatical nuances in Greek suggest “divine” or “a god”, not equivalent to God. Yet later interpretations preferred “was God” in a Trinitarian sense (Harner, 1973). The Nicene Creed marked a major evolution from early Jewish Christianity in stating Jesus is consubstantial and coequal with God. This would have been alien even to Jesus’ early Jewish followers (Tabor, 2021). It was not part of the monotheistic Judaism Jesus himself practiced. Conclusion While later Christians consider the Trinity sound doctrine, extensive examination shows it diverged substantially from the historical Jewish Jesus’ own monotheistic context and teachings, as many scholars assert (McGrath, 2011; Ehrman, 2014; Tabor, 2021). The evidence firmly suggests the monotheistic Hebrew Jesus knew nothing of a Triune Godhead.
Take a look in the mirror. You will see one person. You are made in the image of God. How many person's do you see in the mirror. The doctrine of the trinity was started by Tertullian a Roman Catholic Church Father.
Made in the image of God, but not actually God. We embody certain elements, being a triune being is not one of them 😂. When Jesus came to earth, what would he have seen when looking in the mirror?
The doctrine of the trinity is founded upon scripture as seen In the video ?, the idea of a triune God, unlike alot of Catholic teachings and theology, was not revealed/ created or started by any man, but by God through the word spoken to the Prophets.
I have a few issues with your argument. To use the verse which states that humans are created in the image of God and therefore because every human is one person, therefore God must be one person. This commits multiple logical fallacies, the first one being a false equivocation where you were falsely equating finite humans to an infinite God. The other is just begging the question in which the building of the argument off the assumption already that God is one person. Your argument also shows a lack of understanding of how the Trinity works. Now another reason why your argument fails is when quoting Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 where God says he made humans in His image, and the reason that argument fails is because if you actually go back and read the verse, God doesn't say "let *me* make man in *my* image" Instead, God says "Let *Us* make man in *Our* image" So if anything, that verse actually supports the trinitarians argument rather than your argument Why would God refer to himself in a pluralistic manner? I can tell you why, read John chapter 1. It's plain English. In the beginning was *The Word* and the Word was *with God* and The Word *was God* It goes on to say "he was in the beginning with God, all things were created through him and without him nothing that was created was created" And verse 14 tells us that the word which is God became flesh and dwelt among Us which is Jesus. So in the first chapter of John it tells us that the word was with God and was God at the same time and it also tells us that the word is Jesus and that Jesus was in the beginning with God and that all things were created through Jesus and therefore is consistent with the notion of there being one God while the son can also be God at the same time Which would explain why in Genesis God refers to himself as *Us* and *Our* And as for your claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was started by Tertillian by the Roman Catholic Church is objectively false. With just a little quick historical research you can find the earliest mention of the trinity in the second century. The oldest known mention of the word "Trinity" is in To Autolycus by Theophilus of Antioch in the 2nd century. In this work, the word "Trinity" (Greek Tria, triados) is used to refer to God, his word, and his wisdom. There was no Roman Catholic Church was still illegal and Romans were still persecuting the Christians in the second century. Polycarp who was a student of John the disciple being an example as he was martyred in the second century. Also even if the earliest mention of the word Trinity was by the Roman Catholic Church in later centuries after the second century, that's irrelevant and commits another logical fallacy Specifically the fallacy known as the semantic fallacy which is essentially when you play word games to ignore the overall concept of an argument Sure the Bible never uses the word "Trinity" and so what? That doesn't mean that the concept isn't taught in the Bible which is taught all over the Bible both Old and New Testament The Bible also never uses the word "omnipresent" does that mean that God is Not omnipresent? Of course not because the Bible while never using the word omnipresent clearly describes the attributes and characteristics of an omnipresent being when describing God. I don't know if you believe in the rapture but if you do believe in the rapture then the Bible never uses the word rapture but it clearly describes the concept of it. Words like Trinity or omnipresent or just singular words that we use to simplify or to describe a complex concept that's broken down into one word. The purpose of the word Trinity is just to help identify what a person believes about the nature of God which is simply put that God is one being but three persons as the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit which the Bible clearly teaches. We just use the word Trinity to describe that concept in one word. So again even if the word Trinity didn't show up until the Roman Catholic Church it doesn't matter. The word Trinity could have been first used 50 years ago to describe the concept for all that matters. That's why it's a semantic fallacy. Now do not take my comment as an insult or a personal attack whenever I point out critical flaws in your arguments, I just believe that it's important to point out the flaws and absurdities I have certain arguments in hopes that the person who made the argument will recognize how their arguments fail and so that they will work to formulate a better argument.
1 Corinthians 8:6 King James Version 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
pieterkramer7797, 1Corinthians 8:6 " there is actually to us ONE GOD, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; AND THERE IS ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him" - "SEPARATE" DOES NOT MEAN "DISTINCT". This does not mean that Paul meant Jesus was not God BECAUSE PAUL DOES CALL JESUS GOD IN MANY OTHER VERSES - Romans 9:5 “To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, WHO IS GOD over all, blessed forever. Amen”. Although Jesus is God The Father YHWH (in His Glorified Body), Paul writes "God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" - TO SHOW US THAT THE ONE GOD, THE FATHER YHWH, is now in Heaven IN THREE FORMS. DIDN'T ISAIAH SAY THAT JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER!
"Even if there are so-called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, and even though there are many of these “gods” and “lords,” yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the CREATOR of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6 GNT.
@johnnylongshlong3677 The Trinity is a 4D concept that came to the 3rdD, those within the 3D are using their limited knowledge and understanding to classify and or file a concept that is above them to be understood
DESIST and know who God is .. PSALMS 46:10-11 says .. 10 "Desist, and know that I am God: I will be exalted in the nations, I will be exalted in the earth. 11 Jehovah of armies is with us; the God of Jacob a height for us. Silence." ( Smith's Literal Translation )
KK-AA-YY, DOESN'T THE BIBLE STATE THAT JESUS IS JEHOVAH (in His Glorified Body, now in Heaven)? NWT (Jeremiah 23:5,6) "And this is the name by which , he will be called: JEHOVAH Is Our Righteousness.” Jehovah Witnesses Bible (New World Translation) states in Genesis 19:24 "Then JEHOVAH made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah - it came from JEHOVAH from the heavens". WHO WAS THE JEHOVAH ON EARTH, AT THE SAME TIME? Remember that no one had ever seen God The Father (scripture states), so who was THIS JEHOVAH(YHWH) ON EARTH whom the people of that time saw and worshipped as JEHOVAH? Answer: He was "The Word Of God". The final form "The Word of God" took was as Jesus so as to become the sacrificial lamb to pay the penalty for the sin committed by Adam & Eve. BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, "THE WORD BECAME FLESH)". THE BIBLE CLEARLY SHOWS/STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in the flesh form) AND BEING "THE ARM" OF GOD, HE IS THE CREATOR. Isaiah called Jesus "ETERNAL FATHER" in Isaiah 9:6 because he knew this. CHECK YOUR NWT BIBLE, IT SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! - "For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, ETERNAL FATHER, Prince of Peace". JOHN 14:9 (NEW WORLD TRANSLATION) “Whoever has seen me has seen the FATHER also”. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus saith JEHOVAH the King of Israel, and HIS Redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD” - WHO IS THE SPEAKER HERE? JESUS SAYS in Revelation 1:17 - 18 "Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen" - so you know that JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST; There can be only ONE "First And The Last". God tells us that there are no other gods besides him. How then can Jesus be "a god" and sit with the Father on his throne? If no other gods were created before him or after him (Isaiah 43:10), then how could Jesus be a created god? Exodus 6:3 (King James Version) says: “And I APPEARED unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” - who is this “JEHOVAH” whom the people of the Old Testament Time saw and worshipped as “GOD ALMIGHTY”? Answer: HE WAS THE “WORD” OF GOD who became “flesh” later! How can God The Father be the speaker of EXODUS 6:3 when JOHN 6:46 & JOHN 1:18 state that NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN GOD THE FATHER? JOHN 5:37 (ESV) “His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen”. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8! If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior (1:John 4:14)and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
@@alphonsedenny4962 NO. Jesus is NOT Jehovah God. JOHN chapter 1 verses 1 and 2 both say .. "The WORD had been existing WITH GOD" (A person is WITH another person. ) Verse 18 says .. "No man has SEEN GOD at ANY TIME" (Thousands of people SAW Jesus face to face) Clearly, Jesus is [ a god ] or godlike one, but he is NOT The almighty God JEHOVAH. Drop down to .. JOHN 1 Verse 23 .. "He said: “I am the voice that cries in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH', just as that which Isaiah the Prophet said.” [ Aramaic Bible in Plain English ] ( JEHOVAH is The Almighty God )
@@KK-AA-YY , JOHN 1:1 (KJV) "the Word was with God, and the Word was God" - YOU MISSED "the Word was God"? USE/CHECK THE CHRISTIAN BIBLES, not the New World Translation. YOU STATED "Verse 18 says .."No man has SEEN GOD at ANY TIME" (Thousands of people SAW Jesus face to face). The word "God" in verse 18 refers to God The Father YHWH, not to Jesus! YOU STATED "Clearly, Jesus is [ a god ] or godlike one, but he is NOT The almighty God JEHOVAH. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8! YOU STATED "Drop down to ..JOHN 1 Verse 23 .."He said: “I am the voice that cries in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH', just as that which Isaiah the Prophet said.” YOU HAVE SHOT YOUR OWN FOOT! - JOHN PREPARED THE WAY FOR "JESUS" OR "JEHOVAH"? - THIS VERSE SHOWS US THAT "JESUS" IS "JEHOVAH'!
@@lubegaismael8846 The Holy Bible answers your question .. PSALMS 104:24 (American Standard Version) "O Jehovah, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom hast thou made them all: The earth is full of thy riches." PSALMS 104:24 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) "How many are your works LORD JEHOVAH, and you have made them all in wisdom, and you have filled the earth with your possessions!" ** Jehovah, created ALL THINGS !!
There are no three persons in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
" beyond our full understanding " whoever made this video.The trinity isn't biblical its nowhere in the bible. Jesus father is Jehovah the most high. Jesus came in the flesh not God. 1John 4:1-3 Also God is a spirit he cannot be flesh. John 4:24 Silly rabbits tricks are for kids. The trinity is a private interpretation of men. Stop trying too make a false trinity doctrine biblical because its not. A Son knows who's his father is. John 17:3 1Tim 6:3 Jesus never mentioned a trinity doctrine.Never .
Bible Animations : You can take 3 millennia, and I would still not believe that there is three in one. There are three....yes, but three separate entities. 1....1....1.
Think of how we perceive time: past, present, and future. The past and the future are concepts that we cannot experience, we only experience the present. It is the same with God becoming incarnate as Christ, because we cannot comprehend or interact directly with the Father or the Spirit without Christ as our mediator. He sent Christ as a mediator who could face sinners and serve as physical evidence of the presence of God. The 'present' of time is much like the presence of Christ. A tangible experience, rather than an abstract concept.
@@onefoxyguy3098the past present and future is completely three different things from each other The past the a time we lived in and the future a time we will live And the present is time we live in So Therefore, if you apply this to the Trinity, this means that you worship three gods and not one god Because father son and holy spirits is completely different gods from each other and everyone of them has his own description
@@user-og5oh6ue7q Excellent point. Ask them "Can your body go to the Gym, while your soul go Shopping and your spirit goes Swimming? Because according the Trinitarian, Jesus, the part of God, came down the earth, while the Father, the other part of God was still in heaven to resurrect Jesus along with the Holly Spirit of God. " "Did part of God died when Jesus died and was resurrected and if so can your Soul and Body die while your spirit lives on or can your Spirit and Body die while your Soul lives on?" Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says: "Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. * "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
You could give me all the power, money, & pleasures of this world and it still ain’t gonna be better than JUST the hope of spending eternity with God. I’m more curious about what we do with God forever than I am with what we do here on earth. I could get the most simple version of Heaven and be happy. I could live just outside Gods gate and see him once a week so I could bow on my face and worship. Send me a Heaven newspaper where I could read about his infinite mysteries like how he’s always existed and how he made the world from nothing
I would say his own command illustrates the nature; Love the Lord God with all your heart, spirit and body. Your heart may conflict with your mind and your body but they are all one. He is perfect sand there is no conflict between the father, son (wisdom/word) and spirit which may roughly be compared to our heart, mind and spirit
@@asphaltking3452 indeed it does! And I was actually referring to the word "Trinity" itself hehe ~ used by the early Church father, Theophilus, in the Catholic region of Antioch in about 170 AD.
1Th 5:23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." God created human in his own image. He is composed of body, souls and spirit. My spirit is not my body, my body is not my soul and my soul is not my spirit, yet my spirit is me, my soul is me and my body is me. That's, in my opinion, one true analogy that can work.
HaedonPL, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 too long, didn't read. But for real, no bible, didn't read. Don't be a bot, talk like another human being. Jesus when he came from heaven to earth was in heaven at the same time (obviously) as you can see in John 3:13 for example. If you can't understand some things it doesn't mean they are not true. Read 1st John 5:7 for example (ofc you won't because you're not saved and don't believe that God preserved his word perfectly). As for now, I'm not gonna talk with you anymore because you're just a bot who doesn't care about God. For people who cares, they can just read my command. Why does Paul pray that "whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". I guess my spirit is my body 😂. Can't defend anything more because he didn't say any verse or real arguments. Bless you guys, I hope you put all of your trust in one true God, Jesus Christ, and believe only in him, not of your works, so you can be saved from hell for ever. Amen.
The Bible states that the Trinity has existed eternally????????????? Strange claim. No one knew about it. Even Jesus didn't. Come to think of it, nor did God. (Isaiah 43:10) It was the apostate church which came up with the Trinity notion. This was to detract people's minds from the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus identified who would be behind this conspiracy: Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil.
I like Willhall7777 statement "I don't think we will fully understand until we get home". I agree, lets just believe and have faith for this is one factor of our salvation.
*Prophet Jesus never taught his disciples about the Trinity Concept.* The Trinity concept originated in the Catholic Church in the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD(300 years after the death of Jesus) and you can read that from their books the Trinity concept was adapted also by the Protestant Churches.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age. Matthew 28:19-20
@@LordePhantom you stated -"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Where does Jesus preach GOD is 3 in 1 and all of them are equally divine?
@@14-Peaks Verses that speaks of Jesus' divinity Hebrews 1:8 John 1:1 John 10:30 Verses that speak about the Holy Spirit being God: Genesis 1:2 Ephesians 1 And various scriptures of God being God
That is correct! Jesus too worshiped the God whom Abraham worshiped. Jesus certainly never worshiped himself. Jesus and other God fearing Jews knew whom the worshiped. Jesus made clear this law: (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’” (Deuteronomy 6:13).
@@LordePhantom @LordePhantom you stated - Hebrews 1:8, Ephesians 1 *Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author of Hebrews & Ephesians. However, since the third century, this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is UNKNOWN* *Paul was NOT a disciple of Jesus. Paul never met Jesus* Paul was against the teachings of Jesus. - - - - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - - you also stated- in John chapter 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was a god" Then the word(Jesus) became flesh and the flesh died. We know Jesus was mortal and hence, he died. *IF JOHN CALLS SOMEONE DIVINE, IT DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE DIVINE/ETERNAL/IMMORTAL* -- - - -- - - - - - -- - - - - - - you also stated 10:30, he says, "The Father and I are one." WHEN JESUS SAYS HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE, Jesus meant one in purpose/message as whatever Jesus taught/preached was from the Father(GOD ALMIGHTY). We also know that Jesus only followed the Father's command. In John 7:16, Jesus says: "My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me." In John 5:30: Jesus says: "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me." Jesus said he could not do anything of his own will. -- - - - -////// -- - - -- - - /////- --- - - - -// -- *Can you show in the Bible where Jesus himself claims to be divine?*
Jesus is not the Almighty God. The h/Holy Spirit is Gods Spirit, hence it is holy and of Him. There is only one God, in one Person. Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ and Lord. It couldn´t be more clearer and easier! The Bible teaches this. It does not teach God is three Persons in one Being. Show me one text with words like that if you can. (You cannot. The reason is that God is one only.) Please stop teaching such a confusing concept.
I don't believe that God send prophets to confuse us, but to clarify His oneness. From Adam to Moses, the message was clear: God is one, without any Trinity. The Holy Spirit is simply God's own spirit, the means through which He communicates with prophets. Then Jesus reinforced this message, stating that the Father (same god of previous prophets) alone is the true God, greater than himself. The Trinity concept emerged much later, after Jesus' time, leading many Christians astray from the original message of monotheism.
That just shows how awesome God is. I like how Sam explained that is God is a true God, then He must be unique and being a triune God does that! Nothing in this Earth is like God. Sure, we are created by His image but we still can’t comprehend Him. It’s like God is in the 4th dimension and no matter how hard we try, we as a 3rd dimension being will never fully understand God.
NinPossible, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
@@alphonsedenny4962 got it. Now I see a difference. Jesus definitely said He and Father are one. If you see Jesus, you see the Father. So this is contradicted to the Trinity doctrine, right? And the Bible mentioned many times that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same too. I think I know what you mean.
@@NinPossible , Good, keep improving your knowledge of the Bible. Exodus 6:3 (King James Version) says: “And I APPEARED unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” - who is this “JEHOVAH” whom the people of the Old Testament Time saw and worshipped as “GOD ALMIGHTY”? Answer: HE WAS THE “WORD” OF GOD who became “flesh” later! How can God The Father be the speaker of EXODUS 6:3 when JOHN 6:46 & JOHN 1:18 state that NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN GOD THE FATHER? JOHN 5:37 (ESV) “His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen”. Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS 'The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20? ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8!
Non trinitarians have to be some of the most funniest people. They try to say something that was already disproven hundreds of times through different ways.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
If anyone honest read the bible without that idea sincerely it doesn’t suggest that the trinity really exists in fact the very verses you used prove you wrong how can you be so blinded ?
taalouchmedaziz7860, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
So true. The mental gymnastics one must perform to believe the trinity is amazing especially when you consider these verses: 👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. 1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV 👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17 👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him. John 3:2 ASV 👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52 ASV 👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. Ephesians 5:2 ASV 👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us: Hebrews 9:24 ASV 👉 “to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.” Romans 16:27 ASV 👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Rev 1:6 👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--EXCEPT GOD ALONE. Luke 18:19 👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; John 5:26 How is God granted to have life in himself? "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15 👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. Acts 3:13 ASV 👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen. Romans 16:27 ASV 👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen. Jude 1:25 👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all. Ephesians 4:5-6 ASV 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 ASV 👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; Ephesians 1:17 ASV Loo 👉 "Let not your heart be troubled: BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. John 14:1 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV 👉 And one of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, What commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Of a truth, Teacher, thou hast well said that HE is one; and there is none other but HE: and to love HIM with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices. Mark 12:28-33 ASV 👉 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof. Revelation 21:22 ASV 👉 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2:22-24 ASV 👉that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; having the eyes of your heart enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1:17-20 ASV 👉Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:36 ASV 13 When he had come into the region of Caes·a·reʹa Phi·lipʹpi, Jesus asked his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” 14 They said: “Some say John the Baptist, others E·liʹjah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did. Notice Jesus says it is the Father in the heavens that reveal the truth to Peter and not himself. Acts 2:36 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.” 👉Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cوsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:13-17 ASV
The Bible never states that there are persons in the Trinity. Instead of comparing God with an egg, maybe we could compare God to a human being since we were made in His image. We are body, soul and spirit, we can be a father, a son, and spirit at the same time. Those are titles, offices of one God. Not three persons. I know this is not mainstream theology, but mainstream theology comes from the Catholic Church which also worships dead people so what
That is modalism and the bible contradicts that from genesis since you talked about we're made in the image of God, what did he say when he created man "Let US make man in OUR image" and not " Let me make man in my image". And also when God means that you are created in his image that has nothing to do with your physical/spiritual aspects it just means that you were elected to represent him before all creation.
@@YeshuaisKing7777 John also states in Revelation that the Lamb took the book from the hand of Him that set upon the throne and when he turned to see he saw One seating on the throne and he saw One throne. Go figure
Holy Trinity doctrine. God is 3 distinct and seperate persons, and each is fully God. This means you have 3 Gods. The bible clearly states that God is One but reveals Himself in different ways (omnipresent) and not 3 distinct persons. Jesus said I and the Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father. THEY ARE ONE PERSON NOT 2. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible Father who exists as Spirit. No need for this Roman Catholic concept of God. Just follow what the bible teaches
Ok then please explain these verses: John 17:22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 1 John 3:2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. John 17:11 “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.
"God" is not three distinct persons. God is a Spirit (John 4:24), a unipersonal he/him/his Spirit, who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lay down his own life for us.
And the name of this unipersonal Spirit is the name which is above every name: *JESUS.*
No wonder Jewish people think the Christians are pagans... They read the Old Testament and the christians go to them talking about three persons in one God, they simply cringe when they hear it
That verse doesn’t really support your point, because yes Jesus said that God is spirit, he used that to say that we should worship him in spirit. But that doesn’t mean that God isn’t a man or a father. Correct me if I’m wrong tho
Ok then please explain these verses: John 17:22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 1 John 3:2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. John 17:11 “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.
There is no trinity….. Yahweh Is One. He may manifest Himself into the forms He wants to….. that’s why when Jacob fought with the Angel the Angel said to him “you have fought with Elohim”.
If modalism is true, then why did Jesus pray to God? If God can only be one of them at a time and simply change forms, then who was Jesus praying to? God clearly didn't "change forms" to be a human being. He was noth the Father and the Son simultaneously.
This is one of the mysteries of God that we will never understand. Nor should we attempt to apply logic to craft an understanding. Applying logic to faith can create some dangerous ripples. The end of your video reminded me of Hebrews 11:1.
@@doinic09 The trinity was invented by the Catholic church in the second century. The Nicene creed, it's history. In this they deviated from God's teachings and are apostate.
Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.
He also claimed to be eternal. Everyone has a mother and father. His earthly mother was Mary, and to make it clear who he is, he told everyone his father is God the Father. He claimed to be one with the father. He claimed to be the messiah and was given authority to judge. Read John chapter 10.
@@LordePhantom Did you know that in John 1:1-3, there are different Greek words for both Gods mentioned? The Word, Jesus, (Λόγος or Logos), was with God (Θεόν, or Theon). The Word was God (Θεὸς, or Theos). He, Jesus, was in the beginning with God (Θεόν, Theon). Even though these are different cases of the same word, they are nevertheless differentiated. Satan was also called θεὸς, or Theos at 2 Corinthians 4:4. Is Satan also God? Don’t know Greek? Neither do I. Let’s break this down a little further shall we? In the beginning was the word (Jesus, Son of God), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was with God (Almighty God, God the Father), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was God (Almighty God, God the Father)? No matter how you put it, it doesn’t make sense!! What does make sense is that Jesus, being in the beginning with God (Genesis 1:26, John 1:1), in fact being God’s very first creation (Colossians 1:15, Proverbs 8:22, Revelation 3:14), actually calls God his God and worships God the Father. (Revelation 3:12, John 20:17)
God actually has unveiled the mystery of the Trinity in this way; shapes beyond the third dimension exist which have at least two essences or natures to themselves, so it bare to reason that since God is outside of space and time; for He made both, that He himself is a Trinity.
imrukiitoaoffire1908, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
They are separate beings, one in purpose, with the Father at the head. They are not the literal same entity. That is a false doctrine that was not taught by Jesus or the apostles, but was debated and voted on hundreds of years later as part of the Nicene Creed. The false doctrine of the trinity is a stumbling block to modern Christianity. It is clear that they are separate beings in moments such as when Jesus addresses the Father. He called him Abba, or Papa, an intimate evidence of the relationship between a Father and Son. The holy spirit descended on Jesus in the form of a dove at his baptism, while the voice of God the Father was heard in that same moment. They are separate beings yet united in their purpose of bringing salvation to God's children. If you pray earnestly concerning this matter, the spirit will make the truth known to you. Truth has infinite depth, but is also able to be made simple so that even a child can understand it. The trinity doctrine is non-intuitive and elusive, and I've never met anyone who can say they actually understand it. A truth as basic as the fundamental nature of God is one that we should be able to understand. There is God, the father of our spirits, Jesus, his first born, and the holy spirit whose job is to spread God's knowledge and light to all of the Father's children. Pray for knowledge and understanding and the truth will be revealed to you. Don't put your faith in the doctrines of men.
In other words, we are to worship THREE GODS instead of one, right? That's a heresy, dear friend. Or did God be wrong when He spoke to the people of Israel over and over again that there is only one God, only one divine being beside Whom we ought not worship anyone else. Or are you gonna say that God of the Tanakh is actually Satan, like some people try to claim? Christians have taught and believed at last since the days of St Ignatius of Antioch (who knew personally and was a disciple of apostles Peter, Paul and John) that Jesus is literally and truly God, consubstantial with God the Father and called "the Logos of God". This is more like 200 years before the council of Nicaea. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate hypostasis (or persons), not separated beings; for there cannot be three eternal, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent beings, just like there cannot be three Creators, no three Kings nor three Lords.
the trinity is a pagan concept and is not mentioned anywhere in the bible. If God came here in human form he would still be God outside of that body. The father and son are one with the holy spirit, to think they are in any way seperate limits the almighty power of our Lord
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
@@itapinfomaps6233 Why are these verses a problem for the trinity if you look harmoniously at all the verses of the bible together? You don't look at 1 verse and disregard all the others. Let give you an example: You said John 14:28 where Jesus says 'My Father is greater than I' Incarnation explains this: Hebrews 2:9 Speaks of Jesus being humbled below even the angels in his humanity Phillipians 2:5-9 Jesus is humbled to the status of a bondslave in incarnation Also In Same chapter on John 14 jesus says in verse 14 that he answers prayers, last time i checked if someone is able to answer prayers he has to have all the Omni attributes which makes him just as much as God as the Father. u assume 'greater than i' is referring to essence it can just refer to role. Yet Jesus In Mark 14:62 and Matthew 26:64 quotes from Daniel 7:13-14 a passage referring to his universal worship beside the Father and applies it to himself and the jews reply and say this is blasphemy. In John 5:22 Jesus is the final Judge, In Joel 3:12 God is final Judge, In James 4:12 only God judges, In John 5:23 Jesus says for all to honour him the same way you honour the Father. John 1:1-18 says 'In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God and became flesh' John 8:58 Jesus says 'before abraham was i am' in Gospels jesus forgives sins yet in Micah 7:18-19 that is a divine function that only God alone can do. In Revelation 1:17, 2:8 Jesus is First and Last yet in Isaiah 44:6 and 48:12 God in old testament is first and last. In Revelation 5:11-15 Jesus is the Worthy Lamb who was slain who is universally worshipped beside the Father fulfilling what is stated in daniel 7:13-14, Furthermore in Revelation 22:13 it says about Jesus saying these words 'I am the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End.' Explain how he can say that if he is not Almighty God Please No Creature can say what he just said there he is clearly God. Also you quote John 17:3 but how can you reconcile this with verses like Titus 2:13 that indicate that this verse isn't in exclusion to the Son or Spirit. Isaiah 9:6 says there is a Son of God to be born whose name is the Mighty God, Micah 5:2 says the Messiah is to preexist and his origin is of ancient and everlasting, In John 17:5 it furthermore states that the Father shares his Glory with his Son Christ. So how does it make sense that In John 17:3 Jesus is denying his absolute deity, could it not instead mean the Father is the only true God in contrast to the world not in exclusion the Son and Spirit since that would contradict the rest of the bible Also u quote verses where Jesus has a God in which case in Jeremiah 32:27 it does say God is God over all flesh and in John 1:14 jesus became flesh but how can you reconcile this with all the verses where jesus is said to be God? Even Hebrews 1:8-12 read the Father's testimony about the Son 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a] 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. 12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.”[b] Zechariah 12:10 says YHWH would be pierced how can an immaterial God be pierced unless he takes on a body Zechariah 2:7-12 says YHWH will live beside his people Genesis 19:24 differentiates 2 persons of YHWH even before the shema Phillipians 2:9-11 All Knees will buckle and all tongues shall confess that Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God the Father is something that is applied to God alone in old testament. John 10:30 'I and the Father are one' In Verse 28 Jesus says he has his sheep and none deliver out of his hand, In Deuteronomy 32:39 YHWH has his sheep and none deliver out of his hand, So 'I and the Father are one' is saying the Son and Father share same nature. Also the theophany's of the Pre-eexistent logos malach Christ Jesus in the Old testament show Gods multipersonal nature (Genesis 16, 18, 22, 31, 19:24, Exodus 3, Judges 2 Etc.)
@@tongakhan230 No I don't think the verse implies Jesus is the Father but that they are both of the same nature. We see the Father when we see the Son means we see the Son in unity of nature and ability with the Father. Hebrews 1:3 says The Son is "the very image of the Father's substance"
@@johnmurphy588 : As is evident, people cannot acknowledge that Jesus meant that he was the Father as that will debunk the Trinity teaching. So they have to find other ways to explain it. What Jesus meant was what anyone whom some Authority sends to speak on the said Authorities behalf will say: "You need to see the one who SENT me. Please look at me. It is similar to seeing the one who sent me. As I am carrying out all his instructions." Jesus' admission: John 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who SENT ME has himself given me a commandment about WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK. 50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I SPEAK JUST AS THE FATHER HAS TOLD ME.” See how simple the TRUTH is. Jesus was never God. He was someone whom God SENT. See John 4:34.
We are attempting to describe a being of such a high dimension in our little 3D brains. Isaiah repeatedly references Jesus as the Arm of the Lord. Imagine an ant trying to explain a human hand vs. the head, etc. He is so much higher above us, it's mind-boggling!
jalontf2, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
The opening sentence says it all. It is not in the Bible. It is not a core belief of Christianity; it is a core belief of Christendom. An apostate Romanized Catholic church that voted it into existence by theologians steeped in Greek philosophy. It is born more of Plato than scripture, with it's talk of essences and substances. It is the very foundation of the great apostasy foretold by by Christ and the apostles. Protestantism took this false doctrine with them when they split, and now it is dogma; even though it contradicts Jesus and the Bible.
dennisjump8655, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
@@alphonsedenny4962 That's a lot of gobble-de-gook. The truth is simple. One Father, Jehovah the Almighty, his beloved Son that he sent to earth and the holy spirit is not a person but God's active force. Sounds you're trying to make up your own religion or something.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Sorry, but no he doesn't. In vs 4 there are 2 that are sending their greetings, as well as "the 7 spirits before the throne". One identifies himself the same as in vs 8, saying that he is "The One who is and who was and is coming". It then goes on and says in vs 5: " AND from Jesus Christ, the Faithful Witness"... So Jesus is with another and sending his greetings as well. The preceding thought before vs 7 ends with the word Amen. Different thought is coming. Also, (this shows how trinity folk cherry pick certain phrases and ignore the rest) vs 6 says he (Jesus) "made us to be a kingdom, priests to his GOD AND FATHER". In vs 1, John plainly says that God GAVE the Revelation to Jesus. So God has a God? God has to give things to God? Hardly. There is nothing in vs 8 that identifies Jesus as the speaker. Nothing. You claim that it is he, but the verse does not. In the first 3 chapters, Jesus uses the expression "my God" over and over, 4 times in 3:12 alone! He is outright saying he is not God, but has a God. Jesus is the beloved son of his Father, Jehovah God the Almighty.
The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. -- John 5:22-23
So the Father sent him, entrusted him and assigned him honor. All redundant if they were both the same already. Your turn: "God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind." Numbers 23:19 Jesus is called Son of man many times (Matt 16:13-17), yet here it says God is not a son of man.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere! The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4 His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
Son Is called God in Gospel of John John 1:1-18, 8:58, 10:30, 20:28-30 Also In John 5:22 it says Jesus is the Final Judge, in Joel 3:12 God is final Judge, In James 4:12 only God judges In Mark 14:62 and Matthew 26:64 Jesus quoted from a passage in Daniel 7:13-14 referring to his universal worship and he applies it to himself. In Revelation 1:17, 2:8 Jesus is First and Last. In Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 God is First and Last in Old Testament. In Revelation 5:11-15 Jesus the Christ is the Worthy Lamb who was slain universally worshipped beside the Father as fulfilled by Daniel 7:13-14. Revelation 22:13 Jesus is First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End. How can it be So if the Son is not Almighty God? Also How can you reconcile the Father calling the Son God in Hebrews 1:8-12 if he is not God? Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16 shows the distinctness between the Father, Son and the Spirit it says the Spirit of God came upon Jesus like a dove and then in the next passage the Father says 'this is my beloved Son with whom I am well pleased' In 1 Corinthians the Spirit knows all thoughts In Hebrews 9, Genesis 1, Psalms the Spirit is eternal Job 33:4 the Spirit creates So the Spirit has the omni attributes Acts 5:3-4 says the Holy Spirit is God Matthew 28:19 says Go Baptise in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit Isaiah 9:6 says there would be a Son of God to be born whose name would be the Mighty God Micah 5:2 states that the Messiah would preexist and his origin would be of ancient everlasting, In John 8:58 Jesus preexists claiming to be the 'I am' of exodus 3 Malach of the Lord Theophany's show the Preexistent Logos Christ Jesus and show the Multipersonal Godhead, Genesis 1:26 Let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness. (Genesis 16, 22, 31, 18, 19:24, Exodus 3, Judges 2)
Hmmm...I've been thinking a lot about trinity, I feel like this is how the Trinity works So as we know the word "person" is defined by the relationship/interaction with other person, I am a different person from you, because we can have interactions or relations with each other, and the Bible also explains that Jesus had interaction with the Holy spirit and the Father which means they are all distinct persons, but they are all still one God?? Yes! We know in the Bible that God is Spirit, so maybe what the Bible trying to tell is: God is Spirit, and God is one, so God's Spirit is one and the same, but God is three different Persons too, because they can interact and have a relationship with each other, but these three persons have the same spirit, and they themselves are that spirit because God is spirit and God is ONE!!! If anyone reads this comment, let me know what you think, let's chat, if you disagree, tell me why
I am more confused than ever. The Trinity has never made sense to me. Life eternal is to know God, but how can he be knowable with this mystery of the Trinity? If they are distinct persons then they are not one Spirit. My feeling is that Christians try so hard to not deviate from what the Bible says is varied and so the Trinity explanation was a man-made construct to make it all fit. How about this… God is our Father. We are in kind with him so we look like Him. He has a literal Son, who we knew as Jehovah before he was born on earth and was called Jesus after birth. The Holy Spirit… well we know His role but not His identity and relationship to the Father. Three different persons that are so one in purpose that we refer to them collectively as God. I personally don’t believe the Father saved me from my sins, His Son did. Should I worship the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost? The Father, of course. But I believe all three are the bread Godhead, so by default, dispute what the Bible says, we are polytheists. Does this go against what the Bible says? Genesis 1: God (Elohim-a plural word) created the Heavens and the Earth. Seems there are more than one God in the creation… anyway, my point… could God the Fatger and Christ be in the same room at the same time. Could you hug each one of them or does Christ have something the Father doesn’t-a body? That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would the Son have something the Father doesn’t?
@@mdcarson Living is not only to know God, but to have a relationship with him! In the Exodus the Israelites were frightened by God's power and that is why they worshiped Him. It seems that even God doesn't like the idea that people worship him out of fear of him, God wants us to worship him out of love, respect, and honor! After all, according to Christianity that is the true meaning of worship is. Now imagine if God really revealed himself fully to humanity. How are we going to love God especially with this body on earth? Basically you are asking God for something that you yourself are unable to accept! The fact that we don't understand the Trinity proves that it is not just a man-made idea. If this was man-made you'd be wondering why we don't make it easier! Also in the Tanakh (old testament) God is described as one with attributes such as having wisdom, but sometimes God's wisdom is described as God Himself. In other words, the Trinity has existed since the Old Testament, even tho the Old Testament usually emphasizes that there is only one God! And the idea that the word elohim proves that there are many Gods is wrong! The word elohim is an abstract plural word, like sheep, it can refer to many sheep or one sheep! Also if there are many Gods then the verse where God claims to be one shows that he is a liar!? Btw, Jesus' name before becoming human was YHWH not jehovah now allow me to respond to your confusion! Do the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can exist in the same room together? Yes! In Daniel's vision he explains he saw two figures sitting on a throne, the "son of men" and the "ancinet of days" (The Father) so yes! But does this prove there are two Gods? No! Because I told you God is spirit! And if God is spirit and one, then these two figures are in fact the same being, God, who is spirit. They are distinguished based on their distinct consciousness! and because I don't want to repeat myself... I'll skip the second question. You can answer it yourself by understanding my first answer. Now if you have any questions in your head “Why does God need to have 3 different consciousnesses, why does he need to exist as three distinct person?” my respond would be...he doesn't need it, he has been like that since Eternity, God is multi-personal and not unitarian like his creation!!!
I think that when Jesus says "God is Spirit" he is talking more about the fact God is nonmaterial in His essence (and therefore only way to worship God, it is: the Father, is to worship Him in Truth, the Son, and in the Spirit)... though it's true that there are attributes that are common for all persons of the Trinity. (For this reason, the Father is the Creator, the Son is the Creator, and the Spirit is the Creator... yet there are not three Creators but only One Creator.) It's also a bit problematic to use the term 'person' as it is used in earthly context, because from our perspective there is no actual difference between "person" and "being". We should also avoid the other pole and saying that one God has three different roles or titles (Greek word for 'person' is _prosopon,_ literally meaning 'face' or 'mask', so such belief arises too easily). Both of these two are heresies - first one leads to tritheism and the latter one is called Modalism. True God is one being, yet three persons. Absolute unity, yet absolute multiplicity... Someone has used an analogy of love that is lived out with one's will, mind/reason, and feelings/intentions - yet there are no three loves or three lovers, but only one "three-stringed" love
@@mdcarson Knowing God and understanding Him are two slightly different things. Even if God was not the Trinity (though that's only reasonable explanation for some details), He would still stay as eternal mystery to us. We grow to know Him better step by step, but we never can grasp everything about Him. That's the fact of reality. But eternal life is not just about learning to know things about God, and not even just about building the relationship with God, but also about growing in the likeness of God and partaking in God's life... some people call this "deification", though it does not mean people would become little gods (as some falsely believe). The doctrine of Trinity is not some fancy detail, but it is literally the core doctrine of Christianity, beside the doctrines regarding Jesus' incarnation and His death and the resurrection. These three dogmas are imperatives, and everything else abides in these three. If any of these is false, we live still in our sins and our faith is in vain, and we are the most pitiful people on the earth. Our salvation is possible only when Jesus is truly God (of one essence with the Father), truly incarnated and became man, truly died on the cross, and truly rose from the dead. It seems that you think about God and the Trinity in most parts like Mormons do... and they are heretics on this issue; their doctrine is tritheism instead of the Trinity. There is only one God, Yahweh, and this one God is Triune (meaning that the Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit is Yahweh). There is only one divine nature/essence/substance, namely one being, yet three distinct persons (or "hypostasis"). God is not our literal Father. We are created, not begotten. We are *by grace* (at least that's how things were meant to be) what Jesus (who is the only begotten Son) is *by nature.* And since Jesus is the image of invisible God [the Father], existing in the form of God, we are created in the image and the likeness of Jesus Christ too. The Son is also called by title "the Angel of Yahweh" in the Tanakh, and is also known as the Logos (Word) of God. And as the Son is begotten of the Father, the Holy Spirit proceeds hypostatically from the Father alone, though to the world He proceeds through the Son. And though the word for God in the Tanakh is *ELOHIM* the verb that follows it is always in singular form (like *_"b'reshiit bara Elohim"_* in Gen. 1:1) - this way the Bible declares already in the very first verse that God is unity in multiplicity, one being and at least three persons. And since the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one in essence, all worship happens to the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit. As it is written, we are to worship God [the Father] in the Spirit and in Truth. Practically it doesn't matter which person of the Godhead is worshipped - when you worship one divine person, you worship the whole Trinity. Inversely it can be said that "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, the one who confesses the Son has the Father also". Similarly wherever one person of the Godhead is present and working, there is the whole Trinity, working together in accordance with the divine economy.
@@HomoEucharistica however, non of what i just said contradict what you have said tho, by saying God as spirit i just declared that he is immaterial, and just because God is immaterial that doesn't mean he can't appear in a form that a finite being like us can relate (notice i said relate not understand), the Father for example appear as the "ancient of the days" in Daniel's vision and the holy spirit appear in a bodily shape as a dove to John the baptist. And just to add to what I believe (Father, Son, Spirit Being one same spirit) read Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" The word one in the Tanakh is echad, it means compound unity cause the same word echad is also used in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" so it's easy to see how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one same spirit (one same God) after understanding the word Echad, i also don't think you believe the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit to have a different spirit right? Maybe distinct consciousness but not separate. If i'm wrong enlighten me with more knowledge...please...and tell me where did i contradict you...
I was asked about this recently by a cleaning lady at the hospital (iwas a patient. Praying for good news and that i recover) She had difficulty with english as she was arabic i think, i simplified it with using Siri as an example. Siri is in 3 different iPhones, but it's still 1 Siri. But maybe my sample wasn't that good. I myself am still trying to find a truly simpler way to explain at least the just the tip of the iceberg
TetsunaSRO, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@alphonsedenny4962 yes that's how i understand it actually. Just hard to explain with language barrier so i tried to take step 1 with the Siri concept.
I am pleased that you got the main point right. The Trinity is not to explain that there are Three, we all know there are Three. The Trinity is to explain how They are One. And to me personally that is precisely where the weakness of this doctrine is. All Three each one of them are the fullness/completeness/100%ness of God, which means there is no more God, or parts of God, outside of any one of them. The Son is 100% all of God, and outside the Son there is no God nor any part of God. The same can be said of the Father, and the same can be said of the Spirit. Well then, isn’t that all together 300% god? which means three gods? Nope, there is one god, there exist only 100% (one) god, no more no less. Well then how are there three? doesn’t that implies that the three are just the same, just with other names? Nope, there are clearly three. I never met a person that can understand or explain it. That by de facto means that there is not one single (orthodox)Christian walking on this earth. Because being a (orthodox) Christian is to believe the Triune god, not any other form of god. But if one cannot understand this triune-ness, how is one to believe in this god. There are actually two types of Christians, one type actually believes in One, the other type believes in Three. There is no such thing of a Christian that believes in One-Three. For if you cannot grasp it, you can’t believe it, for what is the content of your believe?
stevenxiaofenghuang, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 I see your point. That means you are the type of Christian that actually believe in One, not Three, at least not the kind of three-ness put forth by the trinity doctrine. This is more of a Unitarian view. The problem is then, if the Father is the Son and the Spirit, A=B=C, then why does Jesus pray to the Father? Is he praying to himself? I like to hear your take on this problem.
@@stevenxiaofenghuang , BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH. DURING THE TIME JESUS WAS ON EARTH HE WAS 100% HUMAN, not both human and God as many Christians WRONGLY think/believe. Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels" & Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour" ARE PROOF OF THIS. Jesus had made it clear that His miracles were done by God The Father, John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing". If Jesus was God DURING HIS TIME ON EARTH, WHY DID HE PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER ASKING FOR HIS GLORY TO BE RESTORED? This show that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth. Can God suffer pain, can God feel hungry, tired, thirsty? Can God die - BEING HUMAN, Jesus died! BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH saying “You are the only true God”. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said “the father is greater than I” John 14:28. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only" MATTHEW 24:36. AFTER HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN , HE RECEIVED BACK HIS GLORY (His Name YHWH and His Title "God" - "Thy Throne O God") - Philippians 2:9. GOD THE FATHER WILL NEVER CALL ANYONE ELSE "GOD” EXCEPT HIMSELF (in the flesh)! THE IMPORTANT FACT IS WHO IS JESUS NOW IN HEAVEN, not what He was during His short time on earth! It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
@@alphonsedenny4962 I get your point. I see that you are an out of the box thinker, which I appreciates. I’ll just put out a few questions. And not that I know the answers, but you may answer if you are interested to. But I don’t have the answer, not in the Trinity framework, nor in the Triune framework though lol. Jesus on earth was total human. Jesus was the total God. Question 1: Was there no divinity during the life time of Jesus on earth, since the whole of God reincarnated and there was no divinity on the throne? Who was running the world then? 2. There are numerous passages saying that Jesus after his ascension sits at the right side of God. That doesn’t sound like one being… more like two beings????? You can google the verses, many of them, so I don’t quote them here. Once more, friend, I thank people that spent time for conversation. I’m just interested in how people are handling these age old questions. I am not an atheist.
@@stevenxiaofenghuang , You asked "Was there no divinity during the life time of Jesus on earth, since the whole of God reincarnated and there was no divinity on the throne? Who was running the world then?" - WATER CAN BECOME ICE OR VAPOUR, BUT IT IS STILL WATER! Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20?? GOD CAN BE SEPARATE BUT NOT DISTINCT! ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! Genesis 19:24 "Then YHWH made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah - it came from YHWH, from the heavens". WHO WAS THE YHWH ON EARTH, AT THE SAME TIME? Remember that no one had ever seen God The Father (scripture states), so who was THIS YHWH ON EARTH whom the people of that time saw and worshiped as God? Answer: He was "The Word Of God". The final form "The Word of God" took was as Jesus so as to become the sacrificial lamb to pay the penalty for the sin committed by Adam & Eve. BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, "THE WORD BECAME FLESH". THE BIBLE CLEARLY SHOWS/STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in his Glorified Body, now in Heaven) AND BEING "THE ARM" OF GOD, HE IS THE CREATOR. GOD CAN SEPARATE HIMSELF - HE IS GOD.
The Hebrew word ONE is EHAD and EHAD is not limited to concept of being one. EHAD is used also for the English word unity, another, few (see Gen. 27:44 in Hebrew) eleven, other. Whereas in English ONE means being one in particular.
poldeasis6893, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Jesus Christ had a beginning of life he was given eternal life by Jehovah God his Father Jehovah God Colossians chapter one 1 verse 15 And Revelation chapter 3 verse 14
For a Doctrine to be Biblical you need scriptural proof. I can construct any Philosophical construct from a number of text taken out of context and say there is the Trinity. I have read some of the Philosophical reasoning posted here, and I find it sad that the clear word of God is so distorted. The Bible was given so that the comman man can be lead to the truth. The Truth is that if you give a Bible to an unbiased person that has not been indoctrinated with any "Scholarly Philosophy " will he come to the conclusion that the One God in the Bible actually is a compound of three persons? The Jews had the scripture and among them was the greatest prophets and they believed to this day that God is NOT a Trinity, but a singular person, the One that we call The Father. Was Daniel, Moses, Elijah etc misinformed? Why did Jesus not straighten them up when He walked among them, but instead confirmed their belief? Mrk 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. He then states who God is, it is His Father. Never mentioned a Triune God. Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Who is their God? It is the Father of Jesus. Jesus in prayer to His Father states: Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD according to Jesus, a TRINITY or His Father. Jesus would never lie, and he undoubtedly confirms again that it is a singular person, His Father. I have to take Him at His word instead of any so called Bible scholar with a degree in philosophy or a indoctrinated concept handed down from person to person. Who is the only God according to Paul, who is in my opinion the greatest evangelist, next to Christ. 1Co 8:6 BUT TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; One God, and Christ is the mediator between Him and man. Clearly Christ is not mediator between Himself and man, that would be illogical. The Tinity surely is a mystery because even textual evidence for It cannot be found. The Fact that there is a Father, a Son and a Spirit does not automatically define That the God of This Universe is a Trinity. The Correct understanding would be that God has a Divine Son and He sent the Spirit of His Son into the hearts and minds of His born again children. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. We all have a spirit, so does God. You will think I am insane if I try and prove to you that my spirit is another being or person. This logic somehow alludes most rational thinkers, because the word mystery is added, and now it sounds less insane to change the Spirit of God, as stated in scripture to "God the Spirit" nowhere stated in scripture. 1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Clearly in this text, man's spirit is man's very own spirit, and God's Spirit is God's very own Spirit By refusing to accept that God has a Spirit, just like any rational being, and creating another seperate God, called God the Spirit are we not breaking the first two commandments? I believe we do. Go and look up how many times God is referred to as also being the God of Jesus. The God of Abraham (The Father NOT a Trinity) Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: The God of Jesus (The Father NOT a Trinity) Jesus on earth: Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God Jesus restored with the Glory which He had before the foundation of the earth: 1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. 2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, (For unto which of the angels said he at any time ) I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (before brought into the world) 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The Bible also clearly state that Christ Is God, He is God because He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, so He has His Fathers nature. I am Human my son is human because he was brought fourth from human parents. Christ is Not the One that sits on the throne and rule as the God of the Universe, that position belongs to the Father alone, He is the Ancient of Days that sits on the Throne and Christ is brought before Him. in Daniel 7:13,14 Christ as the Son of God is the Only God that has a God, and that is Father that gave Him Life. Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; (ESV) Rev 3:2 Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Jesus is The Only Begotten Son Of God, that was sent into the world to become the son of man. That would logically mean that God had a Son to send before Jesus became the Son of Mary. To make it more clear: 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. God sent His Son. He did not create a Son and neither did He send another being that is not really His Son because then it would NOT MANIFEST His Love towards us if he merely sent a friend or co-equal partner. Before this becomes a book I must Stop.. Study the word of God unbiased for yourselves, and only accept a clear and multiple THUS SAYETH THE LORD. Blessed Day
The picture you have of the 3 circles. In ancient times Pagns used to worship the sun when it rose, at noonday and when it set. If you bring the three circles together you make the sign of the trinity. Co-incidence?
Probably... When I stir my coffee, it sometimes looks like a galaxy.... but I don't attribute the formation of galaxies to my stirring of the coffee, or visa versa.
Dear non-trinitarians, You have to understand how Trinitarian think: what the text says vs what they see Genesis 1:1 (UASV+) The Bible: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” What trinitarians see: In the beginning God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 (UASV+) The Bible: “The earth was without form and empty; and darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.” What trinitarians see: The earth was without form and empty; and darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Holy Spirit was moving over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:26 (UASV+) The Bible: “And God went on to say, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. . . .” What trinitarian see: And God went on to say, "Let God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit make man in our image, after our likeness. . . . It is not their fault, it is spiritual blindness.
Dee_Dan_, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
The Trinity explained differently makes it obvious that all this is a fishing in the dark. All what we can see are desperate attempts to make Jesus into God. The Holy spirit has been asked to take a back seat. There isn't a single mention of Jesus or the Holy spirit being worshiped by the organized first century Christian body. Making it obvious that only the one addressed by Jesus and his Disciples as FATHER is the only God. (cf John 20:17). True Christians believe the following: (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, Of course, what others believe is their affair.
I like to think of God as a fractal, in which each person of the Trinity is identical in form to the whole Trinity, yet distinct from the others in terms of their position relative to them. Thus the statement "I am in him and he in me" holds true as well. I'd be curious to hear what heresy this "Sierpinski God" represents! 😉
EdKolis, YOU STATED "each person of the Trinity is identical in form to the whole Trinity, yet distinct from the others" - GOD CAN BE SEPARATE, BUT NOT DISTINCT! The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Paul ( who is the only apostle of Jesus to have been personally appointed by him said categorically "Though there are MANY gods, there is to us ONE GOD THE FATHAR out of whom all things are". He went on to distinguish Jesus Christ as 'Lord, through whom God the Father created all things". 1 Cor 8:6. His reference to "though there are many gods' would have included the many prechristian 'trinities' of pagan gods. Read this quote; Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, in her 1876 book Old Truths in a New Light, states: "It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, 'All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity'" (p. 382). Please people open your minds to the truth! There is but ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL PERSONS" Paul said this too at Eph 4:6. No where in the NT is either the word 'trinity' or 'There are three persons in one God'
Excellent points. Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says: "Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 - "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 “Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4. “You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20. “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. * "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
@@itapinfomaps6233 Thank you for your accurate comments! I have often quoted the scriptures you mentioned. Some of the arguements are challenging! for example; any verses where Jesus states his Father's superiority to him was because, as they say "This was while Jesus was on earth in his incarnation". What I do is show them verses where it shows that he was not equal to the father both BEFORE & AFTER his life on earth. Sadyly the 'trinity' is so strongly entrenched that posts on u tube even calim the 'trinity' in OT! I wont let up though. I dont belong to any denomination which prevents objective reasoning due to loyalt to a relion and its beliefs! Are you like me or do you belong to a religion?
@@kiwihans100 Sorry I failed the read the entire post you make. Here are some scriptures to help you: “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17. "After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24 You can also visit j . w . o r g for more info
God is actually a corporation with 3 board of directors aka divine person. They run the universe through God Inc. This is the best explanation. They are 3 in 1. It is not a mystery.
muhammadhazmi8039, The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"! IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction? God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD". If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie? I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
This image of the Trinity is incorrect. To quote Gregory of Nyssa in “Not Theee Gods” “We believe that the Second is from the First and the Third comes from The First by way of the Second, for the Son is the Only Begotten, who alone comes from the Father and none other, but the Spirit proceeds from the Father by way of the Son.”
@@PauloSilva252 - this is a perfect example of how the King James version is dangerously in accurate, and even worse, set a translation tradition that continues to be followed, despite the inaccuracy. Even though in Elizabethan English, it was correct to use the simple one and the future simple tense of the to be verb, in modern English it should be the present continuous. In other words, it is what is happening right then and there. How? Because of the word of God Dash Christ Dash being imported to her. This is because the Holy Spirit travels through, and with the word of God, who is Christ Here’s another factor to keep in mind: when we talk about the spirit proceeding from the father, through the son, we are talking about the eternal reality. However, as two things in the temporal, fallen world, things are not so simple. For this, the spirit causes the word of God to be spoken, and yet is through that same word that the spirit expands his presence . But the spirit is not able to be in there in the first place without having first come through the word of God.
@@Drew-gi5dw read the ESV Bible then. It says the same thing. Or NIV. Or whatever version, trinity as explained here in this video is a Catholic dogma, it’s not a Biblical fact
@@PauloSilva252 - I read the original Greek. As I just said, this is an example of bad translation tradition that has come down from the KJV. These kinds of traditions that are obviously erroneous are common throughout the English text. Another example of this is in Matthew 28, which is common fly translated, “Go and make disciples of all nations,” but the Greek actually reads, “After you depart this place, disciple the nations…”. Or another one is to translate what should read, “to the age of the ages” as “forever and ever.” Another one is to drop the definite article, where the Greek reads in Ephesians 2:8, “You are saved by The Grace through The Faith…” Anyway, the Greek Fathers who risked their lives to get the doctrine of the Trinity accurate already went through all these gifts. The Spirit proceeds from the Father, but not directly from the Father lest the Son cease to be The only Begotten, but through the Son.
Do you mean that the image of the Trinity in this video is incorrect ("circle") or that the traditional perception of the Trinity is incorrect? Gregory the Theologian simple says that the Holy Spirit proceeds hypostatically from the Father alone, but to the world the Holy Spirit comes through the Son - this is called "economical procession".
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What would you guys like to see next? And how do you feel about these 2-3 minute explanation videos? Would love to hear your feedback :D God Bless!
Great videos! How about the difference in eschatological views or covenant theology?
so long that there are 3 persons = 1 God this teachings is anti christ..bcuz THERE is always 1 God and no one must compare God to an egg ,to a rope ,husband and wife etc etc..GOD IS 1 MANIFESTED INTO 3 WITNESSES OR CHARACTERS...GOD is not a person at all...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS gOD HEAD ...these 3 are 1 that manifested in 3 characters for the plan of salvation..end of the story...GOD DONT BEAR A CHILD...BUT HAS LOTS OF CHILDREN..GOD IS 1 BUT GOD IS NOT ALONE...
@@ronwaldoreyes2162 Lets try sticking to what the bible says and that God is the Father, Jesus is his son and our savior and the Holly Spirit is God's active force.
There are many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
You have not explained anything with this video
the Holy Ghost person...?
Can you provide even only one verse..?
"don't reduce God to a simple analogy" .... I cried, such a loving statement.
Most of them are herceys. Like modlaism, and partlism.
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@@Frazier16How can three distinction persons be God? Modalism makes the most sense
@@MarioGabrielJ02 modalidm cant make sense because Jesus and the father talk to each other. If there all diffrent forms of the same God, thst wouldn't be possible
@@Frazier16 No shit I know that the bible teach trinity but that still don’t make sense, and please stop defending a fairy tale. God can’t be separated from creation cause it’s infinite
Thank you for such a simple explanation, it is very confusing at times esp explaining to non-believers.
It's confusing because it's man-made doctrine.
1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead, and the Bible warns against doctrine like the Trinity.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJV
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus has always existed as the Father.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 44:6 KJV
[6] Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 1:8 KJV
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
God the Father came to Earth in flesh through his Son Jesus.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Philippians 2:6-11 NLT
[6] Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. [9] Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, [10] that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The Father is the Son and the Son is the Father.
John 14:10-11 NLT
[10] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. [11] Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.
Exodus 3:14 NLT
[14] God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.”
John 8:58 NLT
[58] Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
Deuteronomy 6:4 NLT
[4] “Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.
Isaiah 43:10-11 NLT
[10] “But you are my witnesses, O Israel!” says the Lord. “You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God- there never has been, and there never will be. [11] I, yes I, am the Lord, and there is no other Savior.
Because trinitanism is a man-made pagan lie
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2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
So ... what is trinity, 3 different god ??
The best way I've come to approach understanding is this: "Jesus is the literal word of God made flesh... And the Holy Spirit is the incarnate love God has for His Word." This maintains each person while also having them fully reliant on each other.
So when Jesus died, what happened to the other 2 and which one of them resurrected Jesus?
This is the easiest way.
Terms we find in the Bible.
God's son.
God's holy spirit.
However, no God's father is found anywhere. Why?
Let Paul tell us:
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us ONE GOD, THE FATHERr, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
ONLY the Father is God. The other two belong to God.
@@tongakhan230
The Trinity is a 4D concept that entered the 3D plane and those in the 3D plane are trying to understand its complex nature
John 1:1
John 10:30
Hebrews 1:8
Matthew 1:13
2 Peter 1:1
@@LordePhantom : If the Trinity was true, then it would mean that no worshiper of the God of the Bible, be it, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David, Jesus and others, had no idea who God is.
That would make them blind worshipers.
Jesus told the Samaritan woman:
(John 4:22) You worship what you do not know; WE WORSHIP WHAT WE KNOW, because salvation begins with the Jews.
Jesus certainly knew the God he worshiped. He made this clear:
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is JEHOVAH YOUR GOD you must worship, and it is TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’”
Jesus obeyed this law.
A bizarre concept of God being made of three called the Trinity coming in the 4th Century was a fulfillment of:
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.
Twisted things are still being debated as people cannot come to terms with it.
@@itapinfomaps6233I don't believe in trinitarian doctrine and I believe that Jesus died as a man and was faithful that God would raise him from the dead in both a confirmation of his faith and service and a declaration to the entire world that his message was true and he was indeed the Son of God. This is the final sign that would be shown to the world and served as an analogue to Jonah's dwelling in the belly of the fish.
Amen I'm thankful for my Salvation and that Jesus Christ saved everyone who trusts him
Analogy is one of our best tools of understanding. We are trying to understand the incomprehensible, but God wants us to know Him. There are better analogies and I don’t think it’s wrong to hash out better ways to grasp what cannot be fully grasped
We always misunderstand Him, but surely God adores the attempt to make sense. We are to think of whatever is lovely, pure, holy, true, good, and perfect. There is no law against such things. This also implies we can be wrong in our understanding as long as we frame it correctly by the lense of truth. God made us curious by default. Jesus himself used analogy and stories to convey what is holy
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 Yes that is true. But Scripture also says Gods thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are above ours. I think we become fools when we claim to know every piece of Scripture fully. It’s sort of another paradox where Scripture can be taught and understood, but in other areas our minds can’t grasp it all
@@MrPokoloco Deuteronomy 29:29
“The things concealed belong to Jehovah our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our descendants forever, so that we may carry out all the words of this Law.
1 Corinthians 2:10
For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.
You are correct, we may not know everything about God, but when it comes to the scriptures, which he gave us, we should now what is in it.
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3. “God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
@@itapinfomaps6233 there is a difference between knowing what something says and what it means. I’m not claiming it’s impossible, but there are many debates on pretty unclear topics. There are many mysteries written in the word we have trouble comprehending. I don’t think Scripture tells us we will comprehend every detail here on Earth. I comprehend everything in some way, but other ways it makes me think. That’s one of God’s own desires is that we meditate upon the Word. I don’t mean anything ill against God or you. 2:Peter 3:15-16 would at least suggest it takes a lot of work to understand some things. Contemplate the possibility that God didn’t reveal everything He could have for example. I don’t mean to say it’s not “understandable” as a whole. Only some things are hard to grasp, and some may not be able to grasp everything with 100% confidence…we always have to learn more and grow more
Nice video. Every analogy used to describe the trinity ends up depicting a heretical ontology. Usually partialism or modalism. Along with the egg analogy, Ive often heard the water one too. The former being a prime example of partialism and the latter depicting modalism.
I think the water one is good
@@LanguageBLOX1_Alt It's one of the worst: unless used to demonstrate modlist theology, or a similar heresy.
@@AquarianAgeApostleso please explain the trinity or the truth. no video i’ve seen explains it, they just explain what its not.
@@luxbookplanners I'll give it my best shot: God's sentience is plural, with a consciousness that multi personal yet succinct and homogeneous. Transcendent and imminent. paradoxical for our feeble Human mind which cannot square this contradictory nature with this logic shattering revelation
It seems like to me the best analogy would be us. Each of us humans are one person, yet we have a body, soul and spirit.
This illustration is beautiful !!!!! Thanks so much
mrwill1779,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 You got a lot right. You’re brighter than the most of them. I just like to point out some honest things, not to offend you, but I hope it might help you to find the truth.
The error that you made is that, it seems to me that you are too much equalizing the Three. They are not one! Nobody says that they are one. If you equals them, you stepped into an error thats called “vain-names-ism”, that is to say that the Three has no differential essence in them.
And then it seems to me that you falled into some kind of modalism. But if you say, no, the Three exist simultaneously, not one at a time. Well, that’s just a form of modalism, called “three-simultant-modalism”, that the three as different modes exist at the same time. That’s not true either.
Another point, if you say that God separated Himself and a part incarnated as the Son, then you failed in the fully godness of Jesus. You are essentially saying that Jesus is not the complete God, just part of God, and that another part of God remained in heaven. The church doesn’t agree with that, nor the church fathers, ….. let me say it honestly, thats a form of full-fledged idolatry. The Egyptians believed in such separation concepts.
The Trinity: The Father is the fire ...Jesus is the light... and the Holy Spirit is the Heat.
MegaTechno2000,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 That's a heresy give me a minute to find it.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Modalism
The theological doctrine that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) under which God manifests himself
@@MegaTechno2000 ,
I am NOT a modalist and I do NOT belong to any Christian Denomination. I am a Christian and I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
The important point is to SEEK THE TRUTH. Do you believe The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
@@alphonsedenny4962 The Nicene Creed A.D. 325
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Sahidic Coptic version corroborates early Christian Christology in many of its readings. This is especially true regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, since the most that can be read from Coptic John 1:1c is that "the Word was divine," not "the Word was God." Literally, what the Coptic version says is "the Word was a god."
This is consistent with what historians know about the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. As one edition of the New Encyclopedia Britannica puts it, "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament....The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies." (Micropedia, Volume X, p. 126) It was not until the 4th Christian century that the doctrine of the Trinity was firmly established in the churches.
Likewise, the book Encyclopedia of Early Christianity, edited by Everett Ferguson, says, "Primitive Christianity, like Judaism, was distinguished from paganism by its unqualified monotheism." (page 912) This "unqualified monotheism" also distinguished the Christology of primitive Christianity from later Trinitarianism.
Since the Sahidic Coptic version pre-dates the 4th century, being dated in the late 2nd or early 3rd century, it is not surprising that it does not labor under the doctrine of the Trinity. Not only does the Coptic version refrain from identifying Jesus as God Almighty at John 1:1c. It also does not contain the Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7 ("these three are one"), nor speak of 'the church of God which he purchased with his own blood,' (Acts 20:28) nor does it say that 'God was manifested in the flesh.' (1 Timothy 3:16) Rather, it speaks of the "church of the Lord" and says merely "this one who" was manifested in the flesh at 1 Timothy 3:16, not "God." Nor does it contain the added words at John 3:13, "[the Son of man] who is in heaven," which incorrectly indicates that Jesus could be God in heaven and Man on earth at the same time. Instead, like the earliest extant Greek manuscript of the Gospel of John, the p66 [Papyrus Bodmer II], the Sahidic Coptic text omits that unauthorized addition.
Other renderings of the Sahidic Coptic version also corroborate the fact that early Christian Christology, while an exalted Christology, was 'unqualifiedly monotheistic,' not Trinitarian. The Coptic readings are theologically neutral and frequently very literal readings of the New Testament Greek text
There are plenty of biblical scholars that could refute this. Liberal scholarship starts with conclusions and find what they need to reduce Christianity to mere human origin.
We are created in the image of God. We are #1 body, #2 soul, #3 spirit... Body=Jesus, Soul=Father, spirit=Holy Spirit. I've never heard anyone explain it this way but it's how I see it so far. In my life I focus on Jesus but talk to all 3 at different times. I don't think we will fully understand until we get home.
Question: Can your body go to the Gym, while your soul go Shopping and your spirit goes Swimming? Because according the Trinitarian, Jesus, the part of God, came down the earth, while the Father, the other part of God was still in heaven to resurrect Jesus along with the Holly Spirit of God.
Did part of God died when Jesus died and was resurrected and if so can your Soul and Body die while your spirit lives on or can your Spirit and Body die while your Soul lives on?
Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says:
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
For me I focus on God and focus on the other 2 at different times it gets confusing
@@itapinfomaps6233Thanks
@@itapinfomaps6233
1. ”I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.“
Isaiah 42:8 ESV
2. “By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’“ Isaiah 45:23 ESV
3. ”so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Philippians 2:10-11 ESV
4. ”And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” Revelation 5:13 ESV
@@itapinfomaps6233 Jehovah Witness troll and all of these have been refuted now stop spreading your anti Trinitarian lies
Okay, so to piece together a quick summary:
The Trinity is composed of three separate, distinct persons, those being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and each of these persons are equally God, the same God.
If that’s the truth, then please, can someone help me out on how this equals 1 God and not 3, because if you have three, separate, distinct persons, they can’t all be the same thing, that defeats the very concept of being separate and distinct.
JohnDoe-i7f,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Yeah i have to agree. Even Jesus says that “No man hath seen God at any time” when people clearly saw Jesus, so i don’t know how he could be god. These are just my thoughts though.
@@Zabbiath ,
Is "Allah" YOUR God?
@@alphonsedenny4962
Yes, He is my god.
@@JohnDoe-i7f ,
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On its face the Trinity doctrine sits on the fence of polytheism, Modelism and Tri-theism while at its core it denies that Jesus Christ is truly the only begotten Son of the Living God, the only true God as Jesus stated in John 17:3-5.
To deny that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God is to deny both the Father and His Son as stated in 1 John 2:22-24.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1 John 2:22-24 KJV
One thing I always love to ask Trinitarian's is this:
In John 20:21-22 while Jesus Christ was in the upper room with His Disciples did Jesus breathe "another person" on the Disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on the Disciples? To say anything other than His OWN Holy Spirit is to deny that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father and thus deny Jesus Christ is divine by nature of being the Son of God.
Examine the Trinity doctrine Creed thoroughly and it is easy to reject it as Unbiblical.
Yes!
Oh, so what are you..
Binity or what?
@@joshclips2053 I believe in Our Heavenly Father and His only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Read: John 14:22-24, 16:1-3, 17:3-5, 1 Corinthians 2:9-16, 8:6, and 11:3. 1 John 2:22-24!
@@davidmoorman7062 so for you, he is not god??
@@davidmoorman7062 well he also said to baptize people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit
1. EUSEBIUS (C. 260-C. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:
But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying UPON THE POWER OF CHRIST, WHO HAD SAID TO THEM, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:
What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread.
MATTHEW 28
17 AND WHEN THEY SAW HIM, THEY WORSHIPED HIM; BUT SOME DOUBTED.
18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE UNTO THEM SAYING “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
HAVING READ THAT JESUS SAID THE ABOVE VERSES TO HIS DISCIPLES; ARE YOU STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS “THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES” WOULD TELL THE DISCIPLES TO BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF AN IDOL OF THREE IN ONE.
NO! JESUS SAID BAPTISE IN “MY NAME” AND HIS DISCIPLES DID JUST THAT.YES! - THIS TRINITY IS COUNTERFEIT ROCK AND IS OF SIMON MAGUS, WHO, MAYBE HE WAS [THE FIRST SERIOUS ANTICHRIST TO CHALLENGE THE AUTHORITY OF OUR SAVIOUR JESUS THE CHRIST THROUGH - SIMONISM.] AND OFFERED SIMON PETER MONEY TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND PEOPLE TO THIS DAY QEUE UP WITH THEIR MONEY TO RECEIVE THE SAME - BUT! THAT BLESSING THEY RECEIVE IS A SCAM.
ACTS 4
12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.
REVELATION 21
6 AND HE SAID TO ME, “IT IS DONE! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END. TO THE THIRSTY I WILL GIVE FROM THE SPRING OF THE WATER OF LIFE WITHOUT PAYMENT.
anneoise7599,
YOU STATED "HAVING READ THAT JESUS SAID THE ABOVE VERSES TO HIS DISCIPLES; ARE YOU STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS “THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES” WOULD TELL THE DISCIPLES TO BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF AN IDOL OF THREE IN ONE" - If God is NOT Triune, why did Jesus tell us to Baptise "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT"? ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! Why didn't Jesus command us to baptise "in the Name of The Father" only OR ""in the Name of The Son" only OR ""in the Name of The Holy Spirit" only? If Jesus wanted us to baptise "in the Name of The Son/Jesus" He would have said so, BUT JESUS SAID TO BAPTISE "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT" TO SHOW US THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME ONE NAME "YHWH". SO, BAPTISM SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NAME OF "YHWH"
Hey man I love your videos, keep it up!
Basically the trinity is a good prove of God almightyness that he can be whatever he wants to in the way he wants to
Frasesdepositividad,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Using this in my school power point, thanks
To God be the Glory and All the Honor; nice explanation
zcinc6902,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Inspiring Philosophy has a good vid on this. He describes the trinity as a 4d object in a 3d world. We have trouble grasping a being with 3 persons yet to a being predating time and space 1=3 and 3=1.
His idea is rejected by the churches. So it's pointless even though I can understand his perspective but this clip and church perspective is confusing. Their perspective makes God from 1 to 3 everytime.
@@A.D.540 God is always one, but three persons in harmonious union and one will.
Well said! 👏🏾 You are a Godsend. Thank you LORD for your servant.
christieperpignan8522,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Just saw this video........thanks for your presentation.
Love to make some comments just about the Holy Spirit....firstly I find these two verses very interesting that are describing Jesus words in the same situation but in two accounts - Matthew and Luke.
Mathew 12 :28 KJ - "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."
Luke 11:20 KJ - "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you."
Here we see in Lukes account that the Holy Spirit that Matthew describes, is also described as Gods finger. This perfectly fits in with the Hebrew scriptures that describes Gods fingers in action accomplishing his will and works and in creation - Ex 31:18, Ex 8:19, Deut 9:10, Ps 8:3
Yes the magic practicing priests in Ex 8:18-19 were forced to admit that that the plagues on Egypt were an exhibition of Yahweh's superior power acknowledging "it is the finger of God!"
Therefore, it looks to me the Bible is simply saying (and interpreting itself) that the Holy spirit is Gods fingers or his power in action, that he uses and gives to others to use or be strengthened by, as he sees fit. It is not independent of him any more than our fingers are not independent of us on our hands. He allowed Jesus in the above verses to use his holy spirit to cast out demons. Then also to help and comfort the minds and hearts of his disciples up to now (as a side point If Jesus was God, he would not need the help of another person to do this, but he needs Gods Holy spirit - yes Gods finger to do what he did and is still doing from heaven for his disciples)
But here is a question ......
Q/ Did the ancient Israelites, the 1st Century Christians and writers and followers of Christ believed that the holy spirit was a person?
1/ Clearly Luke didn't think so as he referred to Gods Holy spirit as Gods finger and not to a person separate from God. Much like a craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it which is what Luke described as well as other Bible writers.
2/ It was first in the fourth century C.E. when some theologians claimed that the holy spirit was a person who was somehow equal to God. The Encyclopedia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” So this was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died. Yes this idea was not taught in the Scriptures or by the early followers of Christ. It came much later.
3/ The New Catholic Encyclopedia explains: “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God’s spirit is simply God’s power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly.” The same source adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” Yes the the ancient Israelites (Gods people) never ever thought of Gods spirit as a person. Not one verse in the Hebrew scritpures give any hint of that at all.
4/ The Bible compares the holy spirit to water. When promising future blessings for his people, God said: “I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants.”-Isaiah 44:3.
5/ In Theological Investigations, Karl Rahner, S.J., admits: “Θεός [God] is still never used of the Spirit,” and: “ὁ θεός [literally, the God] is never used in the New Testament to speak of the πνεῦμα ἅγιον [holy spirit].”-(Baltimore, Md.; 1961), translated from German, Vol. I, pp. 138, 143.
6/ Interestingly John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force - Matt 3:11, Acts 2:4, Acts 2:17
7/ Nowhere in the Bible is the holy spirit mentioned with God and Christ as being equal to them. For instance, on the occasion of Jesus’ baptism, Mark 1:10 shows that the holy spirit came down upon Jesus “like a dove,” not in a human form or as a person. The holy spirit was not some person coming upon Jesus but was God’s power his active force. That power from God enabled Jesus to heal the sick and resurrect the dead. As Luke 5:17 says “And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them". Later, at Pentecost, the apostles also were given the power from God to heal the sick and raise the dead. Did that make them part of a triune godhead? No, they were simply given power from God, through Christ, to do what humans ordinarily could not do.
8/ After Jesus was resurrected, Stephen had a vision of heaven and “caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” So only two separate persons were in evidence in heaven: (1) God and (2) the resurrected Jesus Christ. No holy spirit is mentioned in this vision because it was not any third person of a Trinity. The holy spirit, being God’s active power, would proceed from God but not as a separate being. That is why Stephen saw only two persons, not three. - Acts 7:55
9/ Is the Holy spirit personified that gives it qualities like a person in a figurative way? Yes of course. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. For example, wisdom is said to have works and children, and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness. Similarly, when the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a helper (greek - paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. as it emanates from God himself. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” However, he did so because the Greek word for helper (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun "it" which he would never do if it was a person - John 16:7-15, John 14:16, 17. Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21, Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11.
Have a lovely day 😊
Thank you so much for this.
I have been so confused with the divide in this belief, the trinity or not the trinity.
This has made more sense and I understand now.
Thank you❤
The best metaphor I found is a Trion Re: a 3-dimensional shape with 3 sides. All 3 sides are distinct from each other, yet can be considered to wholly make up the shape, and cannot be divided from it without collapsing the form of the entire shape.
3-dimensions, but one subject/form.
UltriLeginaXI,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 maybe dont yell so much when typing. And no, the trinity are not three forms of God as the Son is reported as talking to the Father. This would not happen if the trinity are three incarnations/forms of God as he cannot take on two forms simultaneously; A relative example is water cannot be liquid and solid at the same time; that is illogical. God is three persons in one being, all 3 fully God yet distinct in relation to eachother. Refer to my previous metaphor: The Trion Re; 3-dimensions in one shape, three subjects which are distinct from the other subjects, and yet fully of and inseparable from the whole
@@UltriLeginaXI ,
You stated "the trinity are not three forms of God as the Son is reported as talking to the Father" - Isn't God The Father YHWH THE SAME GOD as "Jesus" but in different forms? Or are you saying that they are different Gods?
You stated "water cannot be liquid and solid at the same time; that is illogical" - IT CAN, example ICE melting. WATER CAN BECOME ICE OR VAPOUR, BUT IT IS STILL WATER! Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20?? GOD CAN BE SEPARATE BUT NOT DISTINCT! ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8! Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER!
You stated "God is three persons in one being, all 3 fully God yet distinct in relation to each other" - so,you believe the Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
@@alphonsedenny4962 where in the bible does it teach the father is the son?
@@UltriLeginaXI ,
YOU ASKED "where in the bible does it teach the father is the son?" - Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
Isaiah 48:16 is another text where the three members of the Godhead are present: Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.
That is about Cyrus the pagan King whom God used to liberate the Jews from Babylon.
Is this desperate times call for desperate measures.
Isaiah 44:28 The One saying of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
And he will completely carry out all my will’;
The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’
And of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’”
45 This is what Jehovah says to his ANOINTED ONE, TO CYRUS,
Whose right hand I have taken hold of
To subdue nations before him,
To disarm kings,
To open before him the double doors,
So that the gates will not be shut:
@@tongakhan230 Interesting, I never knew the king of Cyrus was the first and the last and creator of the universe in the same way that Hebrews 1:10 describes Jesus.
Isaiah 48:12-13
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;
I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:
when I call unto them, they stand up together.
@@tongakhan230 Also, though your attempt to explain away the passage failed, even if it did work, it is clearly saying that God and His Spirit sent Him.
@@someoneelse7351 : God is in heaven. How does God enable things to happen far away on earth?
Heard of Newtons first law. It basically states that nothing will happen unless a force acts.
God's holy spirit is an active force from God that enables things to happen.
John 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father WILL SEND in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.
How did Moses keep the waters of the Red Sea up? Certainly not by raising his rod. It was a FORCE from God that made it happen.
Picking some random scripture to prove something that should have shown up all over the Bible, if it was true, is not a way to go. Unless someone is trying to justify his personal beliefs to himself.
@@someoneelse7351 : Cyrus, the pagan King and God's son Jesus were both anointed by God for a purpose.
Does that mean that Jesus and Cyrus are one and the same individual?
God CANNOT ANOINT HIMSELF.
(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
This is talking about Jesus, the ANGEL son of God.
Take the light analogy,
Red
Blue
Green
It's all distinct light, But it's all fully light.
gonzaloenrique8741,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
The trinity is founded on ideas developed in later Christianity. There are other interpretations of the Biblical text that are just as valid.
no
Exactly right, ideas developed later which probably are not aligned with the scriptures. The true interpretation has to be solely based on the scriptures not in some catholic council
@@PauloSilva252 have you ever read the Bible?
@@nilbadia2936 yes many times
@@PauloSilva252 you could practice your comprehensing skills
Thank you for this video, this is a reality that humans (including myself) must humble ourselves that are thoughts & ways are not God’s thoughts & ways. It’s okay to not fully comprehend the nature of God.
These are the teachings of men, "nature of God" is not in the Bible nor is a trinity. You are actually quoting Greek philosophy while saying it is God's thoughts. Nothing could be further from reality.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
@@NevenaVidakovic
"in order that they may be one just as we are one." John 17:22
Jesus prayed that his followers would be one, just as him and his Father are one. Does that mean Jesus wanted his followers to be partly God? Or was he asking for them to be unified and one in purpose as he is with his Father?
Even marriage in the Bible we are told man and wife become "one flesh", is that literal? Would anyone reading that come away thinking that marriage turns two people into a single person literally?
Your channel is so underrated ❤❤❤
All I can say is thank you! God bless you!
junjun972,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 thank you for your explanation but why on Mark 13:32 Jesus says this???
““However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.”
Mark 13:32 NLT
Jesus says the Son doesn’t knows ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS ? That seems to me two different persons.
There are just things about our Creator that we won’t understand with our limited minds. We are still the creation. Without Faith is IMPOSSIBLE to please God(Hebrews 11:6). Faith is the assurance of what can’t be seen (Hebrews 11:1) If it was meant for us to understand everything then there’s no point in having faith about anything.
@@junjun972 ,
BEING HUMAN, Jesus spoke the words of Mark 13:32. DURING THE TIME JESUS WAS ON EARTH HE WAS 100% HUMAN, not both human and God as many Christians WRONGLY think/believe. Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels" & Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour" ARE PROOF OF THIS. Jesus had made it clear that His miracles were done by God The Father, John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing". If Jesus was God DURING HIS TIME ON EARTH, WHY DID HE PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER ASKING FOR HIS GLORY TO BE RESTORED? This show that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth. Can God suffer pain, can God feel hungry, tired, thirsty? Can God die - BEING HUMAN, Jesus died! BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH saying “You are the only true God”. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said “the father is greater than I” John 14:28. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only" MATTHEW 24:36.
AFTER HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN , HE RECEIVED BACK HIS GLORY (His Name YHWH and His Title "God" - "Thy Throne O God") - Philippians 2:9. GOD THE FATHER WILL NEVER CALL ANYONE ELSE "GOD” EXCEPT HIMSELF (in the flesh)! THE IMPORTANT FACT IS WHO IS JESUS NOW IN HEAVEN, not what He was during His short time on earth!
It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
If I can't comprehend what I'm worshiping how am I supposed to become Christian?
Also if they are all all powerful why are there 3?
You're not a Christian for knowing the Trinity, you're a Christian for knowing Christ and believing in Him, His resurrection and deliverance from sin. God incarnated in a human body precisely so that you may know Him, not something far and impenetrable as the Father. And through Jesus is how you get to know the rest of the Trinity, by being born again through faith in the Son and receiving the Spirit that teaches all things. Amen
Regarding your second question, there's no contradiction between omnipotence and being Three, unless you're implying that one should win if they fight between them, which is ridiculous since they're the same Person
@@paperIrori There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
So true. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - New Century Version (NCV)
33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace.
As is true in all the churches of God’s people,
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 The Lord our God said in the old testament: I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God. - Isaiah 44:6.
The same He spoke in the new testament: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Revelation 22:13.
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
And God is within all of us 🌹🙏
Jules-yb1ng,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Who told you to call God a trinity? Are you saying no to the God of Jesus?
Dweeb
POPE BENEDICT XVI: “The Father is love, the Son is love, and the Spirit is love. The greatest proof that we are made in the image of the Trinity is that only love makes us happy, because we live to love and to be loved. Even God does not exist in solitude, but in perfect communion. Therefore, the human person, made in the image of God, fulfills himself or herself in love.”
ST. AUGUSTINE: “If you see love, you see the Trinity.’
Catholicity-uw2yb,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Huh?
Wrong = why ?
Because an egg 🥚 is a whole egg 🥚 not parts of an egg...
Ok
Electricity, you cant see it. There are many small parts, photon neutron, electron. Put together you have electricity. Taken apart you have just 3 parts. You cant see it, but you can be shocked by it, you can feel its heat when you use it you can hear its hum over powerlines sometimes you can smell it when the air is right.
Even when you eat an egg, do you eat the shell?
@@stvargas69 According to the trinity doctrine, The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all equally God. But photon, neutron and electron are not electricity individually.
@@itapinfomaps6233no analogy can describe the Trinity. They can only point us in the right direction.
You do realize that the whole point of bringing up the egg analogy was to purposely show an INCORRECT approach, right? He said at the end of that portion that each part of the egg isn’t fully the egg, it’s only a part of the
1:49 - 1:58 Correction: Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another, not separate from one another.
JohnPaul-wn6xh,
WAKE-UP! GOD CAN BE SEPARATE BUT NOT DISTINCT!
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit!
God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are not in the Bible once.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
@@NevenaVidakovic Exactly, but that doesn't deny the trinity
The phrase "God the Father" appears many times in the New Testament, but the phrase "God the Son" does not appear at all. If Jesus were part of a Godhead, the second person of the Trinity, you would think that this phrase would appear. Neither does the phrase "God the Holy Spirit". On the other hand, Jesus is referred to many times as "God's Son" or the "Son of God".
@@jollyrancher521 God The Son is just another way of saying the Son of God though, and the Holy Spirit is mentioned many times, just without "God The" at the beginning.
The Father has a hand in everything.. And the ways of the Father should try to be understood by everyone..
I have had many visions and dreams of The Father..
God is and always will be beyond human understanding and comprehension.
That does not mean we can't understand Him on a moral, limited level. Those that think God can be explained are putting Him in a box. Any "god" that can be explained simply isn't worth worshiping but the Most High IS worth everything.
I believe you are right in your comment. But making three persons in one God is just too farfetched in my opinion. Doesn't really align with the Scripture. It's pure interpretation trying to explain what may seem hard figuring out. Three persons in one God is like borrowing a concept from Hinduism or some other pagan theory
@@PauloSilva252the hindu trimurti as well as the hundred of pagan trios are different to the triune God,because those are 3 gods operating as one and the triune God is One God(one eternal being) that is 3 persons,same will,you just need to accept what is biblical,and then question,we cant try to make sense so we can believe it,we just simply obey him as it is written,even if we dont understand it,also only people that dont resist the Holy Spirit are able to accept this truth
Lol, what this means is that God must be against reason and logic and say, “I am one, but there are three.” Is this God worthy of worship? This is the absurdity of God. If he were to die and be crucified, this is a weak God who does not deserve to be worshiped. Perhaps it is better for me to worship myself because I do not I will not pray or be insulted like this
@@user-og5oh6ue7q Your "If"is flawed. 😆
I know of another "triune relationship". Liquid water, ice and water vapor are not the same - and yet, they are of the same substance - (H2O).
Our Triune God is beyond our understanding, and yet, He may have left us a ubiquitous clue to understanding His incredibly complex nature.
1 Corinthians 14:33 - New Century Version (NCV)
33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace.
As is true in all the churches of God’s people,
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
You can't do the above if you are confused as to who he is much less his purpose for mankind
@@itapinfomaps6233 I am not confused as to who He is. I speak of the Triune nature of God. This often confuses people - especially non-Christians. It does not confuse me. I accept it and know, that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God. :-)
@@itapinfomaps6233 ,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
This was wonderful!
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states the following: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”
... From the vocabulary and grammar of the Greek original, the intention of the hagiographer to communicate singleness of essence in three distinct Persons was easily derived. ... If it is clear on one side that the dogma of the Trinity in the stricter sense of the word was a late arrival, product of 3 centuries' reflection and debate, it is just as clear on the opposite side that confession of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-and hence an elemental Trinitarianism-went back to the period of Christian origins. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1965, Trinity, p299-300)
Correct! True Christians have never believed in any Trinity of gods.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
@@jimjuri6490 If you're twisting this verse 1 Corinthians 8:6 into saying this means the Son cant be God then the Father cant be Lord, as it says there is one Lord Jesus. It also says 'from whom all things came' applying it to the father then applies it to the Son the same verse 'through whom all things came'?
@@johnmurphy588 : The God and the Lord of True Christians are shown to be two separate individuals. (re 1 Cor 8:6).
Jesus and his DISCIPLES worship the Father, the Only True God who is in heaven (Matt 6:9, John 17:3, 20:17).
Addressing someone as Lord doesn't make them God. The UK Parliament is full of Lords.
God worked THROUGH his firstborn son to bring creation into being.
(Proverbs 8:30) Then I was beside him (ie. God) AS A MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
This firstborn angel (whom we came to know in human form as Jesus), never did any creating of his own. See Hebrews 1:2.
Believing what a scripture clearly states and looking for excuses not to believe. Why? Because it conflicts with what someone has been told?
Trust the Bible.
@@jimjuri6490incorrect. The Trinity was taught from the very beginning by the Apostles, who affirmed Paul’s teachings on the Trinity.
I really appreciate this video. It is very helpful
Lets try sticking to what the bible says and that God is the Father, Jesus is his son and our savior and the Holly Spirit is God's active force.
There are many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
it has been revealed throughout the prophets that 💙God💙 is absolutely Singular and perfectly Unique without similarities and without partitions......... what is suddenly happening in the bible and the gospels!!!!!
The word God is plural.
Elohim is a pural word used in a singular sense when speaking about God in times past
@@LordePhantom
Illah Elloh Ala Allah Ellah Yallah Ôllé
💙 Dieu 💙 n'a pas uniquement crée l'hébreu
Allah est écrit dans toutes les révélations de Adam à Muhammad-im
Incorrect. Nowhere does the Bible say God is “absolutely singular”. It only claims God is “one”, NOT absolutely singular. Stop making up false allegations. You have enough of that already coming from the false prophet Muhammad(Police be upon him)
Jesus is the revelation of the one God of the scriptures. Jesus is not only all of what God is, but he is also all of who God is.
Mainstream Christian doctrine defines God as eternally existing in three consubstantial, coequal divine persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This Trinity doctrine emerged centuries after Jesus through theological controversies. However, scrutinizing Jesus’ 1st century Jewish historical context reveals discrepancies between the developed Trinity and Jesus’ own strictly monotheistic faith.
Jesus' Jewish Monotheistic Background
Jesus operated within the exclusively monotheistic milieu of Second Temple Judaism in the 1st century CE. Jews worshipped only the one God of Israel. Deuteronomy 6:4's Shema, which Jesus recited regularly, proclaims “The Lord our God is one.” Jesus affirmed Judaism’s uncompromising monotheism in his teaching and worship.
There are no Trinitarian formulations in Jewish literature from Jesus’ time. Jews rejected any perceived weakening of monotheism. Jesus, as the Messiah, never contravened ingrained Jewish beliefs in God’s absolute oneness. The worship of one indivisible God was integral to his spiritual life and mission (Ehrman, 2020).
New Testament Language on God and Jesus
The New Testament contains no explicit Trinity doctrine. Jesus refers to God using typical Jewish monotheistic terms - Lord, Father, King. He prays submissively to God and aligns his will with God's, affirming Judaism's unitary concept of God (McGrath, 2011).
Jesus and God are described as distinct, with God the Father superior. “The Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) This differentiation upholds the boundaries of Jewish monotheism (Athanasius, 2010).
While presenting Jesus' profound significance, the New Testament does not impose a radical new understanding of divinity. Christ is exalted yet not equated as an absolute deity. The text thus preserves Jewish monotheism’s parameters when speaking of God and Jesus (Ehrman, 2014).
Emergence of the Trinity Doctrine
The Trinity emerged through centuries of post-apostolic debates on Christ's metaphysical identity. Hellenistic philosophical concepts introduced new ontological notions of divinity applied to Jesus outside his original Jewish context (Pelikan, 1971).
For instance, John 1:1 incorporates Logos ideas: “The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But grammatical nuances in Greek suggest “divine” or “a god”, not equivalent to God. Yet later interpretations preferred “was God” in a Trinitarian sense (Harner, 1973).
The Nicene Creed marked a major evolution from early Jewish Christianity in stating Jesus is consubstantial and coequal with God. This would have been alien even to Jesus’ early Jewish followers (Tabor, 2021). It was not part of the monotheistic Judaism Jesus himself practiced.
Conclusion
While later Christians consider the Trinity sound doctrine, extensive examination shows it diverged substantially from the historical Jewish Jesus’ own monotheistic context and teachings, as many scholars assert (McGrath, 2011; Ehrman, 2014; Tabor, 2021). The evidence firmly suggests the monotheistic Hebrew Jesus knew nothing of a Triune Godhead.
Take a look in the mirror. You will see one person. You are made in the image of God. How many person's do you see in the mirror. The doctrine of the trinity was started by Tertullian a Roman Catholic Church Father.
Yes!
Made in the image of God, but not actually God. We embody certain elements, being a triune being is not one of them 😂. When Jesus came to earth, what would he have seen when looking in the mirror?
One person or three ?
The doctrine of the trinity is founded upon scripture as seen In the video ?, the idea of a triune God, unlike alot of Catholic teachings and theology, was not revealed/ created or started by any man, but by God through the word spoken to the Prophets.
I have a few issues with your argument.
To use the verse which states that humans are created in the image of God and therefore because every human is one person, therefore God must be one person.
This commits multiple logical fallacies, the first one being a false equivocation where you were falsely equating finite humans to an infinite God.
The other is just begging the question in which the building of the argument off the assumption already that God is one person.
Your argument also shows a lack of understanding of how the Trinity works.
Now another reason why your argument fails is when quoting Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 where God says he made humans in His image, and the reason that argument fails is because if you actually go back and read the verse, God doesn't say "let *me* make man in *my* image"
Instead, God says "Let *Us* make man in *Our* image"
So if anything, that verse actually supports the trinitarians argument rather than your argument
Why would God refer to himself in a pluralistic manner? I can tell you why, read John chapter 1. It's plain English.
In the beginning was *The Word* and the Word was *with God* and The Word *was God*
It goes on to say "he was in the beginning with God, all things were created through him and without him nothing that was created was created"
And verse 14 tells us that the word which is God became flesh and dwelt among Us which is Jesus.
So in the first chapter of John it tells us that the word was with God and was God at the same time and it also tells us that the word is Jesus and that Jesus was in the beginning with God and that all things were created through Jesus and therefore is consistent with the notion of there being one God while the son can also be God at the same time
Which would explain why in Genesis God refers to himself as *Us* and *Our*
And as for your claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was started by Tertillian by the Roman Catholic Church is objectively false.
With just a little quick historical research you can find the earliest mention of the trinity in the second century.
The oldest known mention of the word "Trinity" is in To Autolycus by Theophilus of Antioch in the 2nd century. In this work, the word "Trinity" (Greek Tria, triados) is used to refer to God, his word, and his wisdom.
There was no Roman Catholic Church was still illegal and Romans were still persecuting the Christians in the second century. Polycarp who was a student of John the disciple being an example as he was martyred in the second century.
Also even if the earliest mention of the word Trinity was by the Roman Catholic Church in later centuries after the second century, that's irrelevant and commits another logical fallacy
Specifically the fallacy known as the semantic fallacy which is essentially when you play word games to ignore the overall concept of an argument
Sure the Bible never uses the word "Trinity" and so what? That doesn't mean that the concept isn't taught in the Bible which is taught all over the Bible both Old and New Testament
The Bible also never uses the word "omnipresent" does that mean that God is Not omnipresent? Of course not because the Bible while never using the word omnipresent clearly describes the attributes and characteristics of an omnipresent being when describing God.
I don't know if you believe in the rapture but if you do believe in the rapture then the Bible never uses the word rapture but it clearly describes the concept of it.
Words like Trinity or omnipresent or just singular words that we use to simplify or to describe a complex concept that's broken down into one word.
The purpose of the word Trinity is just to help identify what a person believes about the nature of God which is simply put that God is one being but three persons as the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit which the Bible clearly teaches. We just use the word Trinity to describe that concept in one word.
So again even if the word Trinity didn't show up until the Roman Catholic Church it doesn't matter. The word Trinity could have been first used 50 years ago to describe the concept for all that matters. That's why it's a semantic fallacy.
Now do not take my comment as an insult or a personal attack whenever I point out critical flaws in your arguments, I just believe that it's important to point out the flaws and absurdities I have certain arguments in hopes that the person who made the argument will recognize how their arguments fail and so that they will work to formulate a better argument.
😂 trees have wisdom but phones have no wisdom
Remember God is one ,
Thank you, Bible Animations! Great teaching!
1 Corinthians 8:6
King James Version
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
pieterkramer7797,
1Corinthians 8:6 " there is actually to us ONE GOD, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; AND THERE IS ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him" - "SEPARATE" DOES NOT MEAN "DISTINCT". This does not mean that Paul meant Jesus was not God BECAUSE PAUL DOES CALL JESUS GOD IN MANY OTHER VERSES - Romans 9:5 “To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, WHO IS GOD over all, blessed forever. Amen”. Although Jesus is God The Father YHWH (in His Glorified Body), Paul writes "God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" - TO SHOW US THAT THE ONE GOD, THE FATHER YHWH, is now in Heaven IN THREE FORMS. DIDN'T ISAIAH SAY THAT JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER!
"Even if there are so-called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, and even though there are many of these “gods” and “lords,” yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the CREATOR of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6 GNT.
@johnnylongshlong3677
The Trinity is a 4D concept that came to the 3rdD, those within the 3D are using their limited knowledge and understanding to classify and or file a concept that is above them to be understood
DESIST and know who God is ..
PSALMS 46:10-11 says ..
10 "Desist, and know that I am God: I will be exalted in the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.
11 Jehovah of armies is with us; the God of Jacob a height for us.
Silence."
( Smith's Literal Translation )
KK-AA-YY,
DOESN'T THE BIBLE STATE THAT JESUS IS JEHOVAH (in His Glorified Body, now in Heaven)? NWT (Jeremiah 23:5,6) "And this is the name by which , he will be called: JEHOVAH Is Our Righteousness.”
Jehovah Witnesses Bible (New World Translation) states in Genesis 19:24 "Then JEHOVAH made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah - it came from JEHOVAH from the heavens". WHO WAS THE JEHOVAH ON EARTH, AT THE SAME TIME? Remember that no one had ever seen God The Father (scripture states), so who was THIS JEHOVAH(YHWH) ON EARTH whom the people of that time saw and worshipped as JEHOVAH? Answer: He was "The Word Of God". The final form "The Word of God" took was as Jesus so as to become the sacrificial lamb to pay the penalty for the sin committed by Adam & Eve. BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, "THE WORD BECAME FLESH)". THE BIBLE CLEARLY SHOWS/STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in the flesh form) AND BEING "THE ARM" OF GOD, HE IS THE CREATOR. Isaiah called Jesus "ETERNAL FATHER" in Isaiah 9:6 because he knew this.
CHECK YOUR NWT BIBLE, IT SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER! - "For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, ETERNAL FATHER, Prince of Peace".
JOHN 14:9 (NEW WORLD TRANSLATION) “Whoever has seen me has seen the FATHER also”.
Isaiah 44:6 “Thus saith JEHOVAH the King of Israel, and HIS Redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD” - WHO IS THE SPEAKER HERE? JESUS SAYS in Revelation 1:17 - 18 "Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen" - so you know that JESUS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST; There can be only ONE "First And The Last". God tells us that there are no other gods besides him. How then can Jesus be "a god" and sit with the Father on his throne?
If no other gods were created before him or after him (Isaiah 43:10), then how could Jesus be a created god?
Exodus 6:3 (King James Version) says: “And I APPEARED unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” - who is this “JEHOVAH” whom the people of the Old Testament Time saw and worshipped as “GOD ALMIGHTY”? Answer: HE WAS THE “WORD” OF GOD who became “flesh” later! How can God The Father be the speaker of EXODUS 6:3 when JOHN 6:46 & JOHN 1:18 state that NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN GOD THE FATHER? JOHN 5:37 (ESV) “His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen”.
JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8!
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior (1:John 4:14)and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
@@alphonsedenny4962
NO.
Jesus is NOT Jehovah God.
JOHN chapter 1 verses 1 and 2 both say ..
"The WORD had been existing WITH GOD"
(A person is WITH another person. )
Verse 18 says ..
"No man has SEEN GOD at ANY TIME"
(Thousands of people SAW Jesus face to face)
Clearly, Jesus is
[ a god ] or godlike one, but he is NOT The almighty God JEHOVAH.
Drop down to ..
JOHN 1 Verse 23 ..
"He said: “I am the voice that cries in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH', just as that which Isaiah the Prophet said.”
[ Aramaic Bible in Plain English ]
( JEHOVAH is The Almighty God )
@@KK-AA-YY ,
JOHN 1:1 (KJV) "the Word was with God, and the Word was God" - YOU MISSED "the Word was God"? USE/CHECK THE CHRISTIAN BIBLES, not the New World Translation.
YOU STATED "Verse 18 says .."No man has SEEN GOD at ANY TIME" (Thousands of people SAW Jesus face to face). The word "God" in verse 18 refers to God The Father YHWH, not to Jesus!
YOU STATED "Clearly, Jesus is [ a god ] or godlike one, but he is NOT The almighty God JEHOVAH. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8!
YOU STATED "Drop down to ..JOHN 1 Verse 23 .."He said: “I am the voice that cries in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of THE LORD JEHOVAH', just as that which Isaiah the Prophet said.” YOU HAVE SHOT YOUR OWN FOOT! - JOHN PREPARED THE WAY FOR "JESUS" OR "JEHOVAH"? - THIS VERSE SHOWS US THAT "JESUS" IS "JEHOVAH'!
Who can measure the waters of all this world??
@@lubegaismael8846
The Holy Bible answers your question ..
PSALMS 104:24
(American Standard Version)
"O Jehovah, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom hast thou made them all: The earth is full of thy riches."
PSALMS 104:24
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
"How many are your works LORD JEHOVAH, and you have made them all in wisdom, and you have filled the earth with your possessions!"
** Jehovah, created ALL THINGS !!
Animations on the Trinity helps simplify this concept of one God but 3 persons.
There are no three persons in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
" beyond our full understanding " whoever made this video.The trinity isn't biblical its nowhere in the bible. Jesus father is Jehovah the most high. Jesus came in the flesh not God. 1John 4:1-3 Also God is a spirit he cannot be flesh. John 4:24 Silly rabbits tricks are for kids. The trinity is a private interpretation of men. Stop trying too make a false trinity doctrine biblical because its not. A Son knows who's his father is. John 17:3 1Tim 6:3 Jesus never mentioned a trinity doctrine.Never
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Bible Animations : You can take 3 millennia, and I would still not believe that there is three in one. There are three....yes, but three separate entities. 1....1....1.
Think of how we perceive time: past, present, and future. The past and the future are concepts that we cannot experience, we only experience the present. It is the same with God becoming incarnate as Christ, because we cannot comprehend or interact directly with the Father or the Spirit without Christ as our mediator. He sent Christ as a mediator who could face sinners and serve as physical evidence of the presence of God. The 'present' of time is much like the presence of Christ. A tangible experience, rather than an abstract concept.
@@onefoxyguy3098the past present and future is completely three different things from each other
The past the a time we lived in and the future a time we will live
And the present is time we live in
So Therefore, if you apply this to the Trinity, this means that you worship three gods and not one god
Because father son and holy spirits is completely different gods from each other and everyone of them has his own description
@@user-og5oh6ue7q Excellent point. Ask them "Can your body go to the Gym, while your soul go Shopping and your spirit goes Swimming? Because according the Trinitarian, Jesus, the part of God, came down the earth, while the Father, the other part of God was still in heaven to resurrect Jesus along with the Holly Spirit of God. "
"Did part of God died when Jesus died and was resurrected and if so can your Soul and Body die while your spirit lives on or can your Spirit and Body die while your Soul lives on?"
Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says:
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
Yeah but 1 John 4: 1&2 says.......
You could give me all the power, money, & pleasures of this world and it still ain’t gonna be better than JUST the hope of spending eternity with God. I’m more curious about what we do with God forever than I am with what we do here on earth. I could get the most simple version of Heaven and be happy. I could live just outside Gods gate and see him once a week so I could bow on my face and worship. Send me a Heaven newspaper where I could read about his infinite mysteries like how he’s always existed and how he made the world from nothing
Praise God .
I would say his own command illustrates the nature;
Love the Lord God with all your heart, spirit and body.
Your heart may conflict with your mind and your body but they are all one. He is perfect sand there is no conflict between the father, son (wisdom/word) and spirit which may roughly be compared to our heart, mind and spirit
I love your Chanel.
Gotta love the Catholic Church for giving us this teaching!~ 😇
trinity goes all the way back to the old testament, the LORD is God, the Angel of the LORD is God & the Spirit of the LORD is God
@@asphaltking3452 indeed it does! And I was actually referring to the word "Trinity" itself hehe ~ used by the early Church father, Theophilus, in the Catholic region of Antioch in about 170 AD.
Its the biggest flaw of Christianity making it eerily similar to polytheism
@@ambivalentaxe
Do u believe God is father ?
No “church” gave us this teaching…God did! Read Proverbs 3:5-6.
1Th 5:23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
God created human in his own image. He is composed of body, souls and spirit. My spirit is not my body, my body is not my soul and my soul is not my spirit, yet my spirit is me, my soul is me and my body is me. That's, in my opinion, one true analogy that can work.
HaedonPL,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 too long, didn't read.
But for real, no bible, didn't read. Don't be a bot, talk like another human being. Jesus when he came from heaven to earth was in heaven at the same time (obviously) as you can see in John 3:13 for example. If you can't understand some things it doesn't mean they are not true.
Read 1st John 5:7 for example (ofc you won't because you're not saved and don't believe that God preserved his word perfectly). As for now, I'm not gonna talk with you anymore because you're just a bot who doesn't care about God.
For people who cares, they can just read my command. Why does Paul pray that "whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". I guess my spirit is my body 😂.
Can't defend anything more because he didn't say any verse or real arguments. Bless you guys, I hope you put all of your trust in one true God, Jesus Christ, and believe only in him, not of your works, so you can be saved from hell for ever. Amen.
The Bible states that the Trinity has existed eternally????????????? Strange claim. No one knew about it. Even Jesus didn't. Come to think of it, nor did God. (Isaiah 43:10)
It was the apostate church which came up with the Trinity notion. This was to detract people's minds from the sacrifice of Jesus.
Jesus identified who would be behind this conspiracy:
Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil.
I like Willhall7777 statement "I don't think we will fully understand until we get home". I agree, lets just believe and have faith for this is one factor of our salvation.
*Prophet Jesus never taught his disciples about the Trinity Concept.*
The Trinity concept originated in the Catholic Church in the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD(300 years after the death of Jesus) and you can read that from their books the Trinity concept was adapted also by the Protestant Churches.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.
Matthew 28:19-20
@@LordePhantom you stated -"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
Where does Jesus preach GOD is 3 in 1 and all of them are equally divine?
@@14-Peaks
Verses that speaks of Jesus' divinity
Hebrews 1:8
John 1:1
John 10:30
Verses that speak about the Holy Spirit being God:
Genesis 1:2
Ephesians 1
And various scriptures of God being God
That is correct! Jesus too worshiped the God whom Abraham worshiped.
Jesus certainly never worshiped himself.
Jesus and other God fearing Jews knew whom the worshiped.
Jesus made clear this law:
(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and IT IS TO HIM ALONE you must render sacred service.’” (Deuteronomy 6:13).
@@LordePhantom @LordePhantom you stated - Hebrews 1:8, Ephesians 1
*Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author of Hebrews & Ephesians. However, since the third century, this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is UNKNOWN*
*Paul was NOT a disciple of Jesus. Paul never met Jesus*
Paul was against the teachings of Jesus.
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you also stated- in John chapter 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was a god"
Then the word(Jesus) became flesh and the flesh died. We know Jesus was mortal and hence, he died.
*IF JOHN CALLS SOMEONE DIVINE, IT DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE DIVINE/ETERNAL/IMMORTAL*
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you also stated 10:30, he says, "The Father and I are one."
WHEN JESUS SAYS HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE, Jesus meant one in purpose/message as whatever Jesus taught/preached was from the Father(GOD ALMIGHTY). We also know that Jesus only followed the Father's command.
In John 7:16, Jesus says: "My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me."
In John 5:30: Jesus says: "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."
Jesus said he could not do anything of his own will.
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*Can you show in the Bible where Jesus himself claims to be divine?*
Jesus is not the Almighty God. The h/Holy Spirit is Gods Spirit, hence it is holy and of Him. There is only one God, in one Person. Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ and Lord. It couldn´t be more clearer and easier! The Bible teaches this. It does not teach God is three Persons in one Being. Show me one text with words like that if you can. (You cannot. The reason is that God is one only.) Please stop teaching such a confusing concept.
Yes!
Thank you so much! I got a lot of angry, even agressive reponse from Trinitarians. I was deeply hurt.
No that's heresy
I don't believe that God send prophets to confuse us, but to clarify His oneness. From Adam to Moses, the message was clear: God is one, without any Trinity. The Holy Spirit is simply God's own spirit, the means through which He communicates with prophets. Then Jesus reinforced this message, stating that the Father (same god of previous prophets) alone is the true God, greater than himself. The Trinity concept emerged much later, after Jesus' time, leading many Christians astray from the original message of monotheism.
Amen!!!!!! I’m a oneness ( not trinity) apostlic Pentecostal Christian
yes oneness is not only religion it's the only truth way of life!
@@JoshuaAlvarado531 you’re a heretic! The early church fathers taught the trinity!
That just shows how awesome God is. I like how Sam explained that is God is a true God, then He must be unique and being a triune God does that! Nothing in this Earth is like God. Sure, we are created by His image but we still can’t comprehend Him. It’s like God is in the 4th dimension and no matter how hard we try, we as a 3rd dimension being will never fully understand God.
NinPossible,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
@@alphonsedenny4962 got it. Now I see a difference. Jesus definitely said He and Father are one. If you see Jesus, you see the Father. So this is contradicted to the Trinity doctrine, right?
And the Bible mentioned many times that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are the same too.
I think I know what you mean.
@@NinPossible ,
Good, keep improving your knowledge of the Bible.
Exodus 6:3 (King James Version) says: “And I APPEARED unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.” - who is this “JEHOVAH” whom the people of the Old Testament Time saw and worshipped as “GOD ALMIGHTY”? Answer: HE WAS THE “WORD” OF GOD who became “flesh” later! How can God The Father be the speaker of EXODUS 6:3 when JOHN 6:46 & JOHN 1:18 state that NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN GOD THE FATHER? JOHN 5:37 (ESV) “His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen”. Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS 'The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20? ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8!
@@alphonsedenny4962 amen. Thank you so much for clarifying this! 🙏
"God the Father" = 30 times in the NT! "God the Son" ZERO times in the NT! "God the Holy Spirit" ZERO times in the NT!
John 10:30-38I and the Father are one.”
Non trinitarians have to be some of the most funniest people. They try to say something that was already disproven hundreds of times through different ways.
The holy spirit is clearly identified as God in acts 5 and Jesus is clearly identified as God in Titus 2:13 try again bud
@devionevers1232 its also identified in the first sentences of genesis
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
If anyone honest read the bible without that idea sincerely it doesn’t suggest that the trinity really exists in fact the very verses you used prove you wrong how can you be so blinded ?
@jjw00dw_ how does those suggests that there are 3 entities co equal co eternal and divine can you explain?
taalouchmedaziz7860,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
So true. The mental gymnastics one must perform to believe the trinity is amazing especially when you consider these verses:
👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 17:3
👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
1 Corinthians 8:6
👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
1 Timothy 2:5-6
👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV
👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17
👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:2 ASV
👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
Luke 2:52 ASV
👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell.
Ephesians 5:2 ASV
👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us:
Hebrews 9:24 ASV
👉 “to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.”
Romans 16:27 ASV
👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Rev 1:6
👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--EXCEPT GOD ALONE.
Luke 18:19
👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
John 5:26
How is God granted to have life in himself?
"And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Exodus 3:15
👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
Acts 3:13 ASV
👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.
Romans 16:27 ASV
👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
Jude 1:25
👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
Ephesians 4:5-6 ASV
👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come.
1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 ASV
👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;
Ephesians 1:17 ASV
Loo
👉 "Let not your heart be troubled: BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.
John 14:1
👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name.
Revelation 3:12 ASV
👉 And one of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, What commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Of a truth, Teacher, thou hast well said that HE is one; and there is none other but HE: and to love HIM with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices.
Mark 12:28-33 ASV
👉 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof.
Revelation 21:22 ASV
👉 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2:22-24 ASV
👉that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; having the eyes of your heart enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Ephesians 1:17-20 ASV
👉Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified.
Acts 2:36 ASV
13 When he had come into the region of Caes·a·reʹa Phi·lipʹpi, Jesus asked his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?”
14 They said: “Some say John the Baptist, others E·liʹjah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.
Notice Jesus says it is the Father in the heavens that reveal the truth to Peter and not himself.
Acts 2:36 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”
👉Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cوsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 16:13-17 ASV
The Bible never states that there are persons in the Trinity. Instead of comparing God with an egg, maybe we could compare God to a human being since we were made in His image. We are body, soul and spirit, we can be a father, a son, and spirit at the same time. Those are titles, offices of one God. Not three persons. I know this is not mainstream theology, but mainstream theology comes from the Catholic Church which also worships dead people so what
That is modalism and the bible contradicts that from genesis since you talked about we're made in the image of God, what did he say when he created man "Let US make man in OUR image" and not " Let me make man in my image". And also when God means that you are created in his image that has nothing to do with your physical/spiritual aspects it just means that you were elected to represent him before all creation.
@@YeshuaisKing7777 ok that is called an illustration just like the egg from the video. Let us create man -> you interpret it as what? 2 gods?
@@YeshuaisKing7777 John also states in Revelation that the Lamb took the book from the hand of Him that set upon the throne and when he turned to see he saw One seating on the throne and he saw One throne. Go figure
spot on brother, trinity is a pagan concept going all the way back to babylon then spread to Egypt and the rest of the world
@@TFSpodcast_ FACTS
Holy Trinity doctrine. God is 3 distinct and seperate persons, and each is fully God. This means you have 3 Gods. The bible clearly states that God is One but reveals Himself in different ways (omnipresent) and not 3 distinct persons. Jesus said I and the Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father. THEY ARE ONE PERSON NOT 2. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible Father who exists as Spirit. No need for this Roman Catholic concept of God. Just follow what the bible teaches
Ok then please explain these verses:
John 17:22
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
1 John 3:2
Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.
John 17:11
“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.
"God" is not three distinct persons. God is a Spirit (John 4:24), a unipersonal he/him/his Spirit, who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lay down his own life for us.
And the name of this unipersonal Spirit is the name which is above every name: *JESUS.*
No wonder Jewish people think the Christians are pagans... They read the Old Testament and the christians go to them talking about three persons in one God, they simply cringe when they hear it
That verse doesn’t really support your point, because yes Jesus said that God is spirit, he used that to say that we should worship him in spirit. But that doesn’t mean that God isn’t a man or a father. Correct me if I’m wrong tho
Ok then please explain these verses:
John 17:22
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
1 John 3:2
Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.
John 17:11
“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.
You should look in to Isaiah 9:6
chazwick75,
YES, Jesus is THE EVERLASTING FATHER YHWH.
There is no trinity….. Yahweh Is One. He may manifest Himself into the forms He wants to….. that’s why when Jacob fought with the Angel the Angel said to him “you have fought with Elohim”.
That's some great insight!
That’s an ancient heresy known as Modalism
If modalism is true, then why did Jesus pray to God? If God can only be one of them at a time and simply change forms, then who was Jesus praying to? God clearly didn't "change forms" to be a human being. He was noth the Father and the Son simultaneously.
@@ExaltedTilemakerYeah, Jesus(Truth), Father(Love), and Holy Spirit(spirit) are 1 God it self
This is one of the mysteries of God that we will never understand. Nor should we attempt to apply logic to craft an understanding. Applying logic to faith can create some dangerous ripples. The end of your video reminded me of Hebrews 11:1.
I also recommend not thinking about the trinity, or any other traditional lie told by the pagan Roman Catholic church.
@@Pj-fm7oe bro what
@@doinic09 The trinity was invented by the Catholic church in the second century. The Nicene creed, it's history. In this they deviated from God's teachings and are apostate.
until doomsday you cannot justify trinity
Matthew 28:19-20
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.
@@LordePhantom Even many christians are skeptical about trinity.. Let alone muslims
@@fivenightsatfreddys9369
Which us why they have to read up on the First Father's as they held council over this years ago
@fivenightsatfreddys9369 God Can
that's all I need to know
I can learn the answer of whether he did from God himself one day.
Shell is not full egg. There is no reliable analogy for trinity using material. God is spirit and have a very different dimension with material.
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
He also claimed to be eternal. Everyone has a mother and father. His earthly mother was Mary, and to make it clear who he is, he told everyone his father is God the Father. He claimed to be one with the father. He claimed to be the messiah and was given authority to judge. Read John chapter 10.
John 1:1
John 10:30
Hebrews 1:8
Matthew 1:23
2 Peter 1:1
Read your Bible right dude
@@LordePhantom
Did you know that in John 1:1-3, there are different Greek words for both Gods mentioned?
The Word, Jesus, (Λόγος or Logos), was with God (Θεόν, or Theon).
The Word was God (Θεὸς, or Theos).
He, Jesus, was in the beginning with God (Θεόν, Theon).
Even though these are different cases of the same word, they are nevertheless differentiated.
Satan was also called θεὸς, or Theos at 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Is Satan also God?
Don’t know Greek? Neither do I.
Let’s break this down a little further shall
we?
In the beginning was the word (Jesus, Son of God), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was with God (Almighty God, God the Father), and the word (Jesus, Son of God) was God (Almighty God, God the Father)?
No matter how you put it, it doesn’t make sense!!
What does make sense is that Jesus, being in the beginning with God (Genesis 1:26, John 1:1), in fact being God’s very first creation (Colossians 1:15, Proverbs 8:22, Revelation 3:14), actually calls God his God and worships God the Father. (Revelation 3:12, John 20:17)
@@stevenwebb6253
Saying Jesus was created by God and js not God is called Arianism Heresy a heresy that came by way if the 4th century
God actually has unveiled the mystery of the Trinity in this way; shapes beyond the third dimension exist which have at least two essences or natures to themselves, so it bare to reason that since God is outside of space and time; for He made both, that He himself is a Trinity.
imrukiitoaoffire1908,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
They are separate beings, one in purpose, with the Father at the head. They are not the literal same entity. That is a false doctrine that was not taught by Jesus or the apostles, but was debated and voted on hundreds of years later as part of the Nicene Creed. The false doctrine of the trinity is a stumbling block to modern Christianity. It is clear that they are separate beings in moments such as when Jesus addresses the Father. He called him Abba, or Papa, an intimate evidence of the relationship between a Father and Son. The holy spirit descended on Jesus in the form of a dove at his baptism, while the voice of God the Father was heard in that same moment. They are separate beings yet united in their purpose of bringing salvation to God's children. If you pray earnestly concerning this matter, the spirit will make the truth known to you. Truth has infinite depth, but is also able to be made simple so that even a child can understand it. The trinity doctrine is non-intuitive and elusive, and I've never met anyone who can say they actually understand it. A truth as basic as the fundamental nature of God is one that we should be able to understand. There is God, the father of our spirits, Jesus, his first born, and the holy spirit whose job is to spread God's knowledge and light to all of the Father's children. Pray for knowledge and understanding and the truth will be revealed to you. Don't put your faith in the doctrines of men.
In other words, we are to worship THREE GODS instead of one, right? That's a heresy, dear friend. Or did God be wrong when He spoke to the people of Israel over and over again that there is only one God, only one divine being beside Whom we ought not worship anyone else. Or are you gonna say that God of the Tanakh is actually Satan, like some people try to claim? Christians have taught and believed at last since the days of St Ignatius of Antioch (who knew personally and was a disciple of apostles Peter, Paul and John) that Jesus is literally and truly God, consubstantial with God the Father and called "the Logos of God". This is more like 200 years before the council of Nicaea.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate hypostasis (or persons), not separated beings; for there cannot be three eternal, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent beings, just like there cannot be three Creators, no three Kings nor three Lords.
the trinity is a pagan concept and is not mentioned anywhere in the bible. If God came here in human form he would still be God outside of that body. The father and son are one with the holy spirit, to think they are in any way seperate limits the almighty power of our Lord
Matthew 28:19-20
John 14:9 he has seen me has seen the Father🙏🙌
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
People use that verse for what reason? To show that Jesus is the Father?
Any help?
@@itapinfomaps6233 Why are these verses a problem for the trinity if you look harmoniously at all the verses of the bible together? You don't look at 1 verse and disregard all the others.
Let give you an example:
You said John 14:28 where Jesus says 'My Father is greater than I'
Incarnation explains this:
Hebrews 2:9 Speaks of Jesus being humbled below even the angels in his humanity
Phillipians 2:5-9 Jesus is humbled to the status of a bondslave in incarnation
Also In Same chapter on John 14 jesus says in verse 14 that he answers prayers, last time i checked if someone is able to answer prayers he has to have all the Omni attributes which makes him just as much as God as the Father. u assume 'greater than i' is referring to essence it can just refer to role.
Yet Jesus In Mark 14:62 and Matthew 26:64 quotes from Daniel 7:13-14 a passage referring to his universal worship beside the Father and applies it to himself and the jews reply and say this is blasphemy. In John 5:22 Jesus is the final Judge, In Joel 3:12 God is final Judge, In James 4:12 only God judges, In John 5:23 Jesus says for all to honour him the same way you honour the Father. John 1:1-18 says 'In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God and became flesh' John 8:58 Jesus says 'before abraham was i am' in Gospels jesus forgives sins yet in Micah 7:18-19 that is a divine function that only God alone can do. In Revelation 1:17, 2:8 Jesus is First and Last yet in Isaiah 44:6 and 48:12 God in old testament is first and last. In Revelation 5:11-15 Jesus is the Worthy Lamb who was slain who is universally worshipped beside the Father fulfilling what is stated in daniel 7:13-14, Furthermore in Revelation 22:13 it says about Jesus saying these words 'I am the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End.' Explain how he can say that if he is not Almighty God Please No Creature can say what he just said there he is clearly God.
Also you quote John 17:3 but how can you reconcile this with verses like Titus 2:13 that indicate that this verse isn't in exclusion to the Son or Spirit. Isaiah 9:6 says there is a Son of God to be born whose name is the Mighty God, Micah 5:2 says the Messiah is to preexist and his origin is of ancient and everlasting, In John 17:5 it furthermore states that the Father shares his Glory with his Son Christ. So how does it make sense that In John 17:3 Jesus is denying his absolute deity, could it not instead mean the Father is the only true God in contrast to the world not in exclusion the Son and Spirit since that would contradict the rest of the bible
Also u quote verses where Jesus has a God in which case in Jeremiah 32:27 it does say God is God over all flesh and in John 1:14 jesus became flesh but how can you reconcile this with all the verses where jesus is said to be God?
Even Hebrews 1:8-12 read the Father's testimony about the Son
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a]
10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[b]
Zechariah 12:10 says YHWH would be pierced how can an immaterial God be pierced unless he takes on a body
Zechariah 2:7-12 says YHWH will live beside his people
Genesis 19:24 differentiates 2 persons of YHWH even before the shema
Phillipians 2:9-11 All Knees will buckle and all tongues shall confess that Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God the Father is something that is applied to God alone in old testament.
John 10:30 'I and the Father are one' In Verse 28 Jesus says he has his sheep and none deliver out of his hand, In Deuteronomy 32:39 YHWH has his sheep and none deliver out of his hand, So 'I and the Father are one' is saying the Son and Father share same nature.
Also the theophany's of the Pre-eexistent logos malach Christ Jesus in the Old testament show Gods multipersonal nature (Genesis 16, 18, 22, 31, 19:24, Exodus 3, Judges 2 Etc.)
@@tongakhan230 No I don't think the verse implies Jesus is the Father but that they are both of the same nature. We see the Father when we see the Son means we see the Son in unity of nature and ability with the Father. Hebrews 1:3 says The Son is "the very image of the Father's substance"
@@johnmurphy588 : As is evident, people cannot acknowledge that Jesus meant that he was the Father as that will debunk the Trinity teaching.
So they have to find other ways to explain it.
What Jesus meant was what anyone whom some Authority sends to speak on the said Authorities behalf will say:
"You need to see the one who SENT me. Please look at me. It is similar to seeing the one who sent me. As I am carrying out all his instructions."
Jesus' admission:
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who SENT ME has himself given me a commandment about WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK. 50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I SPEAK JUST AS THE FATHER HAS TOLD ME.”
See how simple the TRUTH is. Jesus was never God. He was someone whom God SENT. See John 4:34.
We are attempting to describe a being of such a high dimension in our little 3D brains.
Isaiah repeatedly references Jesus as the Arm of the Lord.
Imagine an ant trying to explain a human hand vs. the head, etc.
He is so much higher above us, it's mind-boggling!
jalontf2,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
The opening sentence says it all. It is not in the Bible. It is not a core belief of Christianity; it is a core belief of Christendom. An apostate Romanized Catholic church that voted it into existence by theologians steeped in Greek philosophy. It is born more of Plato than scripture, with it's talk of essences and substances. It is the very foundation of the great apostasy foretold by by Christ and the apostles. Protestantism took this false doctrine with them when they split, and now it is dogma; even though it contradicts Jesus and the Bible.
dennisjump8655,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN (Philippians 2:9).
@@alphonsedenny4962 That's a lot of gobble-de-gook. The truth is simple. One Father, Jehovah the Almighty, his beloved Son that he sent to earth and the holy spirit is not a person but God's active force. Sounds you're trying to make up your own religion or something.
@@dennisjump8655 ,
JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8!
@@dennisjump8655 ,
YOU STATED "Sounds you're trying to make up your own religion or something" - WHY DON'T YOU PROVE ME WRONG?
@@alphonsedenny4962 Sorry, but no he doesn't. In vs 4 there are 2 that are sending their greetings, as well as "the 7 spirits before the throne". One identifies himself the same as in vs 8, saying that he is "The One who is and who was and is coming". It then goes on and says in vs 5: " AND from Jesus Christ, the Faithful Witness"... So Jesus is with another and sending his greetings as well. The preceding thought before vs 7 ends with the word Amen. Different thought is coming.
Also, (this shows how trinity folk cherry pick certain phrases and ignore the rest) vs 6 says he (Jesus) "made us to be a kingdom, priests to his GOD AND FATHER". In vs 1, John plainly says that God GAVE the Revelation to Jesus. So God has a God? God has to give things to God? Hardly.
There is nothing in vs 8 that identifies
Jesus as the speaker. Nothing.
You claim that it is he, but the verse does not. In the first 3 chapters, Jesus uses the expression "my God" over and over, 4 times in 3:12 alone! He is outright saying he is not God, but has a God.
Jesus is the beloved son of his Father, Jehovah God the Almighty.
The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
-- John 5:22-23
So the Father sent him, entrusted him and assigned him honor. All redundant if they were both the same already.
Your turn: "God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind." Numbers 23:19
Jesus is called Son of man many times (Matt 16:13-17), yet here it says God is not a son of man.
@@Pj-fm7oe I didnt write that , my son wrote it using my email
@@simonnelerette1971
Well it's posted on a trinity video apparently as evidence of it, but it fails to show a trinity at all.
There are no three personalities in the Holy Bible, nowhere!
The Holy Bible teaches us that there is ONE God - Deuteronomy 6:4
His Word is not different from Him and His Holy Spirit is not different from Him, they are ONE and the same. - John 12:48; John 14:17-18!
Trinity says that God Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are equal, where is the verse?
Son Is called God in Gospel of John John 1:1-18, 8:58, 10:30, 20:28-30
Also In John 5:22 it says Jesus is the Final Judge, in Joel 3:12 God is final Judge, In James 4:12 only God judges
In Mark 14:62 and Matthew 26:64 Jesus quoted from a passage in Daniel 7:13-14 referring to his universal worship and he applies it to himself. In Revelation 1:17, 2:8 Jesus is First and Last. In Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 God is First and Last in Old Testament. In Revelation 5:11-15 Jesus the Christ is the Worthy Lamb who was slain universally worshipped beside the Father as fulfilled by Daniel 7:13-14. Revelation 22:13 Jesus is First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End. How can it be So if the Son is not Almighty God?
Also How can you reconcile the Father calling the Son God in Hebrews 1:8-12 if he is not God?
Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16 shows the distinctness between the Father, Son and the Spirit it says the Spirit of God came upon Jesus like a dove and then in the next passage the Father says 'this is my beloved Son with whom I am well pleased'
In 1 Corinthians the Spirit knows all thoughts
In Hebrews 9, Genesis 1, Psalms the Spirit is eternal
Job 33:4 the Spirit creates
So the Spirit has the omni attributes
Acts 5:3-4 says the Holy Spirit is God
Matthew 28:19 says Go Baptise in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit
Isaiah 9:6 says there would be a Son of God to be born whose name would be the Mighty God
Micah 5:2 states that the Messiah would preexist and his origin would be of ancient everlasting, In John 8:58 Jesus preexists claiming to be the 'I am' of exodus 3
Malach of the Lord Theophany's show the Preexistent Logos Christ Jesus and show the Multipersonal Godhead, Genesis 1:26 Let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness.
(Genesis 16, 22, 31, 18, 19:24, Exodus 3, Judges 2)
There is no trinity in scripture. It’s a doctrine from hell.
Hmmm...I've been thinking a lot about trinity, I feel like this is how the Trinity works
So as we know the word "person" is defined by the relationship/interaction with other person, I am a different person from you, because we can have interactions or relations with each other, and the Bible also explains that Jesus had interaction with the Holy spirit and the Father which means they are all distinct persons, but they are all still one God?? Yes!
We know in the Bible that God is Spirit, so maybe what the Bible trying to tell is:
God is Spirit, and God is one, so God's Spirit is one and the same, but God is three different Persons too, because they can interact and have a relationship with each other, but these three persons have the same spirit, and they themselves are that spirit because God is spirit and God is ONE!!!
If anyone reads this comment, let me know what you think, let's chat, if you disagree, tell me why
I am more confused than ever. The Trinity has never made sense to me. Life eternal is to know God, but how can he be knowable with this mystery of the Trinity? If they are distinct persons then they are not one Spirit. My feeling is that Christians try so hard to not deviate from what the Bible says is varied and so the Trinity explanation was a man-made construct to make it all fit. How about this… God is our Father. We are in kind with him so we look like Him. He has a literal Son, who we knew as Jehovah before he was born on earth and was called Jesus after birth. The Holy Spirit… well we know His role but not His identity and relationship to the Father. Three different persons that are so one in purpose that we refer to them collectively as God. I personally don’t believe the Father saved me from my sins, His Son did. Should I worship the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost? The Father, of course. But I believe all three are the bread Godhead, so by default, dispute what the Bible says, we are polytheists. Does this go against what the Bible says? Genesis 1: God (Elohim-a plural word) created the Heavens and the Earth. Seems there are more than one God in the creation… anyway, my point… could God the Fatger and Christ be in the same room at the same time. Could you hug each one of them or does Christ have something the Father doesn’t-a body? That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would the Son have something the Father doesn’t?
@@mdcarson Living is not only to know God, but to have a relationship with him! In the Exodus the Israelites were frightened by God's power and that is why they worshiped Him. It seems that even God doesn't like the idea that people worship him out of fear of him, God wants us to worship him out of love, respect, and honor! After all, according to Christianity that is the true meaning of worship is. Now imagine if God really revealed himself fully to humanity. How are we going to love God especially with this body on earth? Basically you are asking God for something that you yourself are unable to accept!
The fact that we don't understand the Trinity proves that it is not just a man-made idea. If this was man-made you'd be wondering why we don't make it easier! Also in the Tanakh (old testament) God is described as one with attributes such as having wisdom, but sometimes God's wisdom is described as God Himself. In other words, the Trinity has existed since the Old Testament, even tho the Old Testament usually emphasizes that there is only one God! And the idea that the word elohim proves that there are many Gods is wrong! The word elohim is an abstract plural word, like sheep, it can refer to many sheep or one sheep! Also if there are many Gods then the verse where God claims to be one shows that he is a liar!?
Btw, Jesus' name before becoming human was YHWH not jehovah
now allow me to respond to your confusion! Do the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can exist in the same room together? Yes! In Daniel's vision he explains he saw two figures sitting on a throne, the "son of men" and the "ancinet of days" (The Father) so yes! But does this prove there are two Gods? No! Because I told you God is spirit! And if God is spirit and one, then these two figures are in fact the same being, God, who is spirit. They are distinguished based on their distinct consciousness! and because I don't want to repeat myself... I'll skip the second question. You can answer it yourself by understanding my first answer. Now if you have any questions in your head “Why does God need to have 3 different consciousnesses, why does he need to exist as three distinct person?” my respond would be...he doesn't need it, he has been like that since Eternity, God is multi-personal and not unitarian like his creation!!!
I think that when Jesus says "God is Spirit" he is talking more about the fact God is nonmaterial in His essence (and therefore only way to worship God, it is: the Father, is to worship Him in Truth, the Son, and in the Spirit)... though it's true that there are attributes that are common for all persons of the Trinity. (For this reason, the Father is the Creator, the Son is the Creator, and the Spirit is the Creator... yet there are not three Creators but only One Creator.) It's also a bit problematic to use the term 'person' as it is used in earthly context, because from our perspective there is no actual difference between "person" and "being". We should also avoid the other pole and saying that one God has three different roles or titles (Greek word for 'person' is _prosopon,_ literally meaning 'face' or 'mask', so such belief arises too easily). Both of these two are heresies - first one leads to tritheism and the latter one is called Modalism. True God is one being, yet three persons. Absolute unity, yet absolute multiplicity... Someone has used an analogy of love that is lived out with one's will, mind/reason, and feelings/intentions - yet there are no three loves or three lovers, but only one "three-stringed" love
@@mdcarson Knowing God and understanding Him are two slightly different things. Even if God was not the Trinity (though that's only reasonable explanation for some details), He would still stay as eternal mystery to us. We grow to know Him better step by step, but we never can grasp everything about Him. That's the fact of reality. But eternal life is not just about learning to know things about God, and not even just about building the relationship with God, but also about growing in the likeness of God and partaking in God's life... some people call this "deification", though it does not mean people would become little gods (as some falsely believe).
The doctrine of Trinity is not some fancy detail, but it is literally the core doctrine of Christianity, beside the doctrines regarding Jesus' incarnation and His death and the resurrection. These three dogmas are imperatives, and everything else abides in these three. If any of these is false, we live still in our sins and our faith is in vain, and we are the most pitiful people on the earth. Our salvation is possible only when Jesus is truly God (of one essence with the Father), truly incarnated and became man, truly died on the cross, and truly rose from the dead.
It seems that you think about God and the Trinity in most parts like Mormons do... and they are heretics on this issue; their doctrine is tritheism instead of the Trinity. There is only one God, Yahweh, and this one God is Triune (meaning that the Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit is Yahweh). There is only one divine nature/essence/substance, namely one being, yet three distinct persons (or "hypostasis"). God is not our literal Father. We are created, not begotten. We are *by grace* (at least that's how things were meant to be) what Jesus (who is the only begotten Son) is *by nature.* And since Jesus is the image of invisible God [the Father], existing in the form of God, we are created in the image and the likeness of Jesus Christ too. The Son is also called by title "the Angel of Yahweh" in the Tanakh, and is also known as the Logos (Word) of God. And as the Son is begotten of the Father, the Holy Spirit proceeds hypostatically from the Father alone, though to the world He proceeds through the Son. And though the word for God in the Tanakh is *ELOHIM* the verb that follows it is always in singular form (like *_"b'reshiit bara Elohim"_* in Gen. 1:1) - this way the Bible declares already in the very first verse that God is unity in multiplicity, one being and at least three persons.
And since the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one in essence, all worship happens to the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit. As it is written, we are to worship God [the Father] in the Spirit and in Truth. Practically it doesn't matter which person of the Godhead is worshipped - when you worship one divine person, you worship the whole Trinity. Inversely it can be said that "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, the one who confesses the Son has the Father also". Similarly wherever one person of the Godhead is present and working, there is the whole Trinity, working together in accordance with the divine economy.
@@HomoEucharistica however, non of what i just said contradict what you have said tho, by saying God as spirit i just declared that he is immaterial, and just because God is immaterial that doesn't mean he can't appear in a form that a finite being like us can relate (notice i said relate not understand), the Father for example appear as the "ancient of the days" in Daniel's vision and the holy spirit appear in a bodily shape as a dove to John the baptist. And just to add to what I believe (Father, Son, Spirit Being one same spirit) read Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"
The word one in the Tanakh is echad, it means compound unity cause the same word echad is also used in Genesis 2:24
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh"
so it's easy to see how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one same spirit (one same God) after understanding the word Echad, i also don't think you believe the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit to have a different spirit right? Maybe distinct consciousness but not separate. If i'm wrong enlighten me with more knowledge...please...and tell me where did i contradict you...
I was asked about this recently by a cleaning lady at the hospital (iwas a patient. Praying for good news and that i recover)
She had difficulty with english as she was arabic i think, i simplified it with using Siri as an example.
Siri is in 3 different iPhones, but it's still 1 Siri.
But maybe my sample wasn't that good. I myself am still trying to find a truly simpler way to explain at least the just the tip of the iceberg
TetsunaSRO,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@alphonsedenny4962 yes that's how i understand it actually. Just hard to explain with language barrier so i tried to take step 1 with the Siri concept.
I am pleased that you got the main point right. The Trinity is not to explain that there are Three, we all know there are Three. The Trinity is to explain how They are One. And to me personally that is precisely where the weakness of this doctrine is. All Three each one of them are the fullness/completeness/100%ness of God, which means there is no more God, or parts of God, outside of any one of them. The Son is 100% all of God, and outside the Son there is no God nor any part of God. The same can be said of the Father, and the same can be said of the Spirit. Well then, isn’t that all together 300% god? which means three gods? Nope, there is one god, there exist only 100% (one) god, no more no less. Well then how are there three? doesn’t that implies that the three are just the same, just with other names? Nope, there are clearly three.
I never met a person that can understand or explain it.
That by de facto means that there is not one single (orthodox)Christian walking on this earth. Because being a (orthodox) Christian is to believe the Triune god, not any other form of god. But if one cannot understand this triune-ness, how is one to believe in this god. There are actually two types of Christians, one type actually believes in One, the other type believes in Three. There is no such thing of a Christian that believes in One-Three. For if you cannot grasp it, you can’t believe it, for what is the content of your believe?
stevenxiaofenghuang,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
@@alphonsedenny4962 I see your point. That means you are the type of Christian that actually believe in One, not Three, at least not the kind of three-ness put forth by the trinity doctrine. This is more of a Unitarian view.
The problem is then, if the Father is the Son and the Spirit, A=B=C, then why does Jesus pray to the Father? Is he praying to himself?
I like to hear your take on this problem.
@@stevenxiaofenghuang ,
BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH. DURING THE TIME JESUS WAS ON EARTH HE WAS 100% HUMAN, not both human and God as many Christians WRONGLY think/believe. Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels" & Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour" ARE PROOF OF THIS. Jesus had made it clear that His miracles were done by God The Father, John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing". If Jesus was God DURING HIS TIME ON EARTH, WHY DID HE PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER ASKING FOR HIS GLORY TO BE RESTORED? This show that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth. Can God suffer pain, can God feel hungry, tired, thirsty? Can God die - BEING HUMAN, Jesus died! BEING HUMAN, Jesus prayed to God The Father YHWH saying “You are the only true God”. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said “the father is greater than I” John 14:28. BEING HUMAN, Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only" MATTHEW 24:36.
AFTER HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN , HE RECEIVED BACK HIS GLORY (His Name YHWH and His Title "God" - "Thy Throne O God") - Philippians 2:9. GOD THE FATHER WILL NEVER CALL ANYONE ELSE "GOD” EXCEPT HIMSELF (in the flesh)! THE IMPORTANT FACT IS WHO IS JESUS NOW IN HEAVEN, not what He was during His short time on earth!
It is very important that one should know and believe that JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in His Glorified Body). If this is not very important, then WHY DID JESUS SAY IN JOHN 8:24 “FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS”. Who does the “HE” refer to? THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPEECH WAS ABOUT GOD THE FATHER. Read verse 27 "They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER". John 8:28 “WHEN YE HAVE LIFTED UP the Son of man (when you have unveiled ME), then shall ye know that I AM HE (then you will realize that I AM GOD THE FATHER- YHWH in the flesh form)”. Isaiah understood this and said that Jesus is THE ETERNAL FATHER. JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD in Revelation 1:8. John 14:9 "he who has seen me has seen the FATHER" - JESUS DID NOT SAY "he who has seen me has seen "His Son"!
@@alphonsedenny4962 I get your point. I see that you are an out of the box thinker, which I appreciates.
I’ll just put out a few questions. And not that I know the answers, but you may answer if you are interested to. But I don’t have the answer, not in the Trinity framework, nor in the Triune framework though lol.
Jesus on earth was total human. Jesus was the total God. Question 1: Was there no divinity during the life time of Jesus on earth, since the whole of God reincarnated and there was no divinity on the throne? Who was running the world then?
2. There are numerous passages saying that Jesus after his ascension sits at the right side of God. That doesn’t sound like one being… more like two beings????? You can google the verses, many of them, so I don’t quote them here.
Once more, friend, I thank people that spent time for conversation. I’m just interested in how people are handling these age old questions. I am not an atheist.
@@stevenxiaofenghuang ,
You asked "Was there no divinity during the life time of Jesus on earth, since the whole of God reincarnated and there was no divinity on the throne? Who was running the world then?" - WATER CAN BECOME ICE OR VAPOUR, BUT IT IS STILL WATER! Why can't God The Father YHWH separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God" TO DO HIS WILL BECAUSE "No one can see God and live" EXO 33:20?? GOD CAN BE SEPARATE BUT NOT DISTINCT! ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH IN THREE FORMS IS STILL ONE GOD THE FATHER YHWH! Isaiah said in Isaiah 9:6 that JESUS IS THE ETERNAL FATHER!
Genesis 19:24 "Then YHWH made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah - it came from YHWH, from the heavens". WHO WAS THE YHWH ON EARTH, AT THE SAME TIME? Remember that no one had ever seen God The Father (scripture states), so who was THIS YHWH ON EARTH whom the people of that time saw and worshiped as God? Answer: He was "The Word Of God". The final form "The Word of God" took was as Jesus so as to become the sacrificial lamb to pay the penalty for the sin committed by Adam & Eve. BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, "THE WORD BECAME FLESH". THE BIBLE CLEARLY SHOWS/STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER (in his Glorified Body, now in Heaven) AND BEING "THE ARM" OF GOD, HE IS THE CREATOR.
GOD CAN SEPARATE HIMSELF - HE IS GOD.
The Hebrew word ONE is EHAD and EHAD is not limited to concept of being one. EHAD is used also for the English word unity, another, few (see Gen. 27:44 in Hebrew) eleven, other.
Whereas in English ONE means being one in particular.
poldeasis6893,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
in saying that though love the channel
Jesus Christ had a beginning of life he was given eternal life by Jehovah God his Father Jehovah God
Colossians chapter one 1 verse 15
And Revelation chapter 3 verse 14
For a Doctrine to be Biblical you need scriptural proof. I can construct any Philosophical construct from a number of text taken out of context and say there is the Trinity.
I have read some of the Philosophical reasoning posted here, and I find it sad that the clear word of God is so distorted.
The Bible was given so that the comman man can be lead to the truth. The Truth is that if you give a Bible to an unbiased person that has not been indoctrinated with any "Scholarly Philosophy " will he come to the conclusion that the One God in the Bible actually is a compound of three persons?
The Jews had the scripture and among them was the greatest prophets and they believed to this day that God is NOT a Trinity, but a singular person, the One that we call The Father. Was Daniel, Moses, Elijah etc misinformed?
Why did Jesus not straighten them up when He walked among them, but instead confirmed their belief?
Mrk 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
He then states who God is, it is His Father. Never mentioned a Triune God.
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Who is their God? It is the Father of Jesus.
Jesus in prayer to His Father states:
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD according to Jesus, a TRINITY or His Father.
Jesus would never lie, and he undoubtedly confirms again that it is a singular person, His Father. I have to take Him at His word instead of any so called Bible scholar with a degree in philosophy or a indoctrinated concept handed down from person to person.
Who is the only God according to Paul, who is in my opinion the greatest evangelist, next to Christ.
1Co 8:6 BUT TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
One God, and Christ is the mediator between Him and man. Clearly Christ is not mediator between Himself and man, that would be illogical.
The Tinity surely is a mystery because even textual evidence for It cannot be found.
The Fact that there is a Father, a Son and a Spirit does not automatically define That the God of This Universe is a Trinity.
The Correct understanding would be that God has a Divine Son and He sent the Spirit of His Son into the hearts and minds of His born again children.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
We all have a spirit, so does God. You will think I am insane if I try and prove to you that my spirit is another being or person.
This logic somehow alludes most rational thinkers, because the word mystery is added, and now it sounds less insane to change the Spirit of God, as stated in scripture to "God the Spirit" nowhere stated in scripture.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Clearly in this text, man's spirit is man's very own spirit, and God's Spirit is God's very own Spirit
By refusing to accept that God has a Spirit, just like any rational being, and creating another seperate God, called God the Spirit are we not breaking the first two commandments?
I believe we do.
Go and look up how many times God is referred to as also being the God of Jesus.
The God of Abraham (The Father NOT a Trinity)
Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
The God of Jesus (The Father NOT a Trinity)
Jesus on earth:
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God
Jesus restored with the Glory which He had before the foundation of the earth:
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, (For unto which of the angels said he at any time ) I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (before brought into the world) 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
The Bible also clearly state that Christ Is God, He is God because He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, so He has His Fathers nature. I am Human my son is human because he was brought fourth from human parents.
Christ is Not the One that sits on the throne and rule as the God of the Universe, that position belongs to the Father alone, He is the Ancient of Days that sits on the Throne and Christ is brought before Him. in Daniel 7:13,14
Christ as the Son of God is the Only God that has a God, and that is Father that gave Him Life.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
(ESV) Rev 3:2 Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Jesus is The Only Begotten Son Of God, that was sent into the world to become the son of man.
That would logically mean that God had a Son to send before Jesus became the Son of Mary.
To make it more clear:
1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
God sent His Son. He did not create a Son and neither did He send another being that is not really His Son because then it would NOT MANIFEST His Love towards us if he merely sent a friend or co-equal partner.
Before this becomes a book I must Stop..
Study the word of God unbiased for yourselves, and only accept a clear and multiple THUS SAYETH THE LORD.
Blessed Day
The picture you have of the 3 circles. In ancient times Pagns used to worship the sun when it rose, at noonday and when it set. If you bring the three circles together you make the sign of the trinity. Co-incidence?
Not a Coincidence since both teachings and worships are of a pagan origin.
Probably... When I stir my coffee, it sometimes looks like a galaxy.... but I don't attribute the formation of galaxies to my stirring of the coffee, or visa versa.
Dear non-trinitarians,
You have to understand how Trinitarian think: what the text says vs what they see
Genesis 1:1 (UASV+)
The Bible: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
What trinitarians see: In the beginning God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 (UASV+)
The Bible: “The earth was without form and empty; and darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
What trinitarians see: The earth was without form and empty; and darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Holy Spirit was moving over the surface of the waters.
Genesis 1:26 (UASV+)
The Bible: “And God went on to say, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. . . .”
What trinitarian see: And God went on to say, "Let God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit make man in our image, after our likeness. . . .
It is not their fault, it is spiritual blindness.
Dee_Dan_,
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Revelation also speaks about God's 7 Spirits.
josephvanwyk2088,
Does this mean that there are more than ONE God?
@@alphonsedenny4962 No. The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit = still 1 God.
The Trinity explained differently makes it obvious that all this is a fishing in the dark.
All what we can see are desperate attempts to make Jesus into God. The Holy spirit has been asked to take a back seat.
There isn't a single mention of Jesus or the Holy spirit being worshiped by the organized first century Christian body. Making it obvious that only the one addressed by Jesus and his Disciples as FATHER is the only God. (cf John 20:17).
True Christians believe the following:
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
Of course, what others believe is their affair.
Jehovah told Moses that his name is I AM
and later on calling him
Jehovah God
Exodus chapter 3 verses 14 and 15
And Exodus chapter 6 verse 3
I like to think of God as a fractal, in which each person of the Trinity is identical in form to the whole Trinity, yet distinct from the others in terms of their position relative to them. Thus the statement "I am in him and he in me" holds true as well. I'd be curious to hear what heresy this "Sierpinski God" represents! 😉
EdKolis,
YOU STATED "each person of the Trinity is identical in form to the whole Trinity, yet distinct from the others" - GOD CAN BE SEPARATE, BUT NOT DISTINCT!
The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
Paul ( who is the only apostle of Jesus to have been personally appointed by him said categorically "Though there are MANY gods, there is to us ONE GOD THE FATHAR out of whom all things are". He went on to distinguish Jesus Christ as 'Lord, through whom God the Father created all things". 1 Cor 8:6. His reference to "though there are many gods' would have included the many prechristian 'trinities' of pagan gods. Read this quote; Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, in her 1876 book Old Truths in a New Light, states: "It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, 'All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity'" (p. 382). Please people open your minds to the truth! There is but ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL PERSONS" Paul said this too at Eph 4:6. No where in the NT is either the word 'trinity' or 'There are three persons in one God'
Excellent points. Many Christian denominations that teaches the Trinity. However, notice what the Encyclopedia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.” Lets examine what scriptures says:
"Head of woman is man. Head of man is Christ. Head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 -
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
“Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one Jehovah.”-Deuteronomy 6:4.
“You, whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) , you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”-Psalm 83:18.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“God is only one.”-Galatians 3:20.
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him". John 1:18
@@itapinfomaps6233 Thank you for your accurate comments! I have often quoted the scriptures you mentioned. Some of the arguements are challenging! for example; any verses where Jesus states his Father's superiority to him was because, as they say "This was while Jesus was on earth in his incarnation". What I do is show them verses where it shows that he was not equal to the father both BEFORE & AFTER his life on earth. Sadyly the 'trinity' is so strongly entrenched that posts on u tube even calim the 'trinity' in OT! I wont let up though. I dont belong to any denomination which prevents objective reasoning due to loyalt to a relion and its beliefs! Are you like me or do you belong to a religion?
Though in agreement, actually all the apostles were appointed by Jesus.
Paul, although not counted among the 12, was also appointed by Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 Your right. I should have said that Paul was th only apostle appointed by the RESURRECTED Jesus!
@@kiwihans100 Sorry I failed the read the entire post you make. Here are some scriptures to help you:
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14.
For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 12:49
“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-John 17:3.
“Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” .”-John 20:17.
"After Jesus brings about Kingdom blessings to earth, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father - 1 Cor 15:24
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God is actually a corporation with 3 board of directors aka divine person. They run the universe through God Inc. This is the best explanation. They are 3 in 1. It is not a mystery.
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The Bible preaches A TRIUNE GOD, not The Trinity Doctrine which states '"THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"! YOU FAILED TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "A TRIUNE GOD" & "THE TRINITY DOCTRINE"!
IF GOD IS NOT A TRIUNE GOD, WHY DID JESUS GIVE THE COMMAND TO BAPTISE "In The Name of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?
God is triune is not the problem - the problem of the Trinity Doctrine is that it states that "THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT & THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE FATHER OR THE SON"? BUT THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT THE FATHER IS THE SON & THE HOLY SPIRIT! Can you see the contradiction?
God is NOT "THREE...persons in ONE" BUT ONE GOD IN THREE FORMS - FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT! Why can't God separate Himself and come to earth AS "The Son of God"? JESUS SAID in John 16:27 "I CAME OUT FROM GOD".
If there is only ONE God and rightly, than how can Jesus be different Person from God the Father? If Jesus is the Savior and God also claimed He is the ONLY Savior and none else, so did the Bible get confused and anyone speak lie?
I WORSHIP THE ONE GOD THE FATHER WHO MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH). WHEN WE WORSHIP GOD IN HIS NAME YHWH (YaHuWaH), WE WORSHIP THE FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT AS ALL THREE HAVE THE SAME ONE GLORIOUS/GREATEST NAME IN EARTH & HEAVEN.
This image of the Trinity is incorrect.
To quote Gregory of Nyssa in “Not Theee Gods”
“We believe that the Second is from the First and the Third comes from The First by way of the Second, for the Son is the Only Begotten, who alone comes from the Father and none other, but the Spirit proceeds from the Father by way of the Son.”
Matthew 1 says Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary. So, how can the third come from the second?
@@PauloSilva252 - this is a perfect example of how the King James version is dangerously in accurate, and even worse, set a translation tradition that continues to be followed, despite the inaccuracy. Even though in Elizabethan English, it was correct to use the simple one and the future simple tense of the to be verb, in modern English it should be the present continuous. In other words, it is what is happening right then and there. How? Because of the word of God Dash Christ Dash being imported to her. This is because the Holy Spirit travels through, and with the word of God, who is Christ
Here’s another factor to keep in mind: when we talk about the spirit proceeding from the father, through the son, we are talking about the eternal reality. However, as two things in the temporal, fallen world, things are not so simple. For this, the spirit causes the word of God to be spoken, and yet is through that same word that the spirit expands his presence . But the spirit is not able to be in there in the first place without having first come through the word of God.
@@Drew-gi5dw read the ESV Bible then. It says the same thing. Or NIV. Or whatever version, trinity as explained here in this video is a Catholic dogma, it’s not a Biblical fact
@@PauloSilva252 - I read the original Greek. As I just said, this is an example of bad translation tradition that has come down from the KJV. These kinds of traditions that are obviously erroneous are common throughout the English text. Another example of this is in Matthew 28, which is common fly translated, “Go and make disciples of all nations,” but the Greek actually reads, “After you depart this place, disciple the nations…”. Or another one is to translate what should read, “to the age of the ages” as “forever and ever.” Another one is to drop the definite article, where the Greek reads in Ephesians 2:8, “You are saved by The Grace through The Faith…”
Anyway, the Greek Fathers who risked their lives to get the doctrine of the Trinity accurate already went through all these gifts. The Spirit proceeds from the Father, but not directly from the Father lest the Son cease to be The only Begotten, but through the Son.
Do you mean that the image of the Trinity in this video is incorrect ("circle") or that the traditional perception of the Trinity is incorrect? Gregory the Theologian simple says that the Holy Spirit proceeds hypostatically from the Father alone, but to the world the Holy Spirit comes through the Son - this is called "economical procession".