Band of Brothers Part 9: Why We Fight FIRST TIME REACTION!
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"If anyone ever tells you the Holocaust didn't happen, or that it wasn't as bad as they say; no, it was worse than they say." - babe heffron
And if anyone ever tells you to discriminate and hate another group of people. Take a step back first.
Well yeah, he had books to sell.
I watched the Apocalypse WW2 documentary series the other night. It really shook me. The fact that the Nazis would behead the Jews they really wanted to make an example of and some gestapo officers would use their dried up shrunken heads as office paperweights. Truly horrific. It’s also amazing that about 80% of the German populace and troops had no idea of the extent of Hitler’s barbaric activities as the Jewish camps were kept extremely secret.
I did artwork for the 101st. Airborne Division Association about 20 years ago. They let me look at a lot of the photographic history of the 101. All of the pictures and movie reels I have seen, as well as growing up in Germany when my father was stationed there are nothing compared to some of the photographs that the museum let me see. When I hear these morons and trash that say the Holocaust never happened, I really do not know what sickens me more. The photos or their stupidity.
@@TheWaynos73 best documentary ever made. That score at the end of each episode still haunts me.
Liebgot breaking down after telling the men they can't have anything else to eat gets me every single time.
Shame they didn't include it.
_Liebgot breaking down after telling the men they can't have anything else to eat gets me every single time._
Don't get upset, it never really happened. The camp shown in Band of Brothers is Kaufering IV (Hurlach) which was actually found and liberated by the 12th Armored Division on April 27, 1945 with Easy Company actually arriving on April 28. And only a handful of prisoners were found alive along with about 500 bodies. Colonel Edward Seiller of the 12th Armored Division took control of the camp on April 27 and he is the one who ordered civilians from the Landsberg am Lech area to bury the dead. The producers of Band of Brothers decided that it would much more dramatic and entertaining to show Easy Company liberating the camp and to have a large number of emaciated prisoners. The liberations scenes are completely fictionalized.
as a dutchman that speaks passable german this entire episode is a tearjerker but I cant man up in that scene.
The fact that Capt. Nixon didn’t fire his weapon in combat is mostly a device of his position. Not so much that he was a captain, but more that he was an intelligence officer. His job was mostly observation, investigation, and communication.
One of the things I appreciate about this episode is that at the beginning, we’re confronted with Nixon’s drinking and emotional problems. By the end, his problems seem insignificant to us, as they became insignificant to him in comparison.
Nixon starts out above Winters and everyone, but mostly stays where he is (at the least, his job never changes). He's always worked in division. His only real chances to fire his weapon were probably during Normandy. After that he's always in HQ and in the field gathering intelligence (which isn't exactly a weapons heavy experience, hopefully).
@@Zenon0KThey didn't show it, but the maps with German artillery positions that Winters captured in episode 2, Nixon took them and ran many miles through several firefights to get all the way back to the landing beaches to get those maps to the higher ups. Then he hitched a ride back on some Shermans that had come ashore, which we do see at the end of that episode.
@@BigIronEnjoyer GOOD POINT!
I visited Auschwitz too, after I attended a wedding near Krakow. I was lucky enough to run into some Canadians who had also been at the same wedding, so we went together. Having someone to talk about it with was much better than visiting a place like that alone. What took me aback was the size of the Birkenau camp, where it goes out to the horizon, nearly as far as you can see.
When they discover that camp, what struck me the first time I saw this was that they didn't understand what it was they were seeing. Intellectually, they didn't know what a concentration camp was, sure, they'd seen POW or labour camps, but this was unimaginable to those soldiers, and we knew what it was before they did. Heartbreaking...
Don't forget to check out We Stand Alone Together, a documentary that talks with the veterans of Easy Company after episode 10. Edward Shames, The last remaining officer of Easy Company, died on Dec. 3rd of this year. So much gratitude for all those who fought for what was right during WWII.
He has seen war is another fantastic documentary about some of the men from easy company and some of the men from the Pacific
My ex wife's whole extended family, except her father and his parents, were murdered during the Holocaust. He, and his parents, left Austria just before the Nazi's took over. On the show cancer patients going through chemotherapy were used as camp survivors. Even though they were sick they felt this story needed to be told. Dwight D. Eisenhower said to make sure to take as many pictures and movies as possible in case someone tries to say this did not happen.
To get a realistic reaction, the actors were not informed of where they going to for their film shoot, and the camp victims were played by actors who undergoing treatment for cancer, hence the realistic look of hunger. So everything that was filmed was the actors real expressions for what they saw.
It's so impactful to both the audience and the cast. You can literally see how shook they are when they enter that part of the set.
That opening shot of the violin is just gorgeous. Band of Brothers is completely timeless. This show will look amazing in 2121.
oof some huge nixon slander there! 20:40 'you've hardly seen action' nixon saw a LOT of action, he was on the front lines very often. winters regarded him as the *best* combat officer he ever worked with under fire, staying level headed and fearless in intense combat. he also did the most combat jumps!
I can’t imagine the shock seeing those walking skeletons, as well as the smells of the rotting corpses, the burning bodies & realizing that the perpetrators escaped just hours before you came upon the site! But the part that really gutted me was when they were told that they couldn’t give them any more food, & that they had to keep them in the camp for medical treatment. The wailing of the victims & the anguish that the liberators must have felt, would have been too much! Even knowing that those poor people were too weak to survive without careful regulation of their food & water intake, were probably suffering from typhus & lice eating at them, it must have haunted their dreams. And how the survivors went on to live normal lives, have jobs, marry & have families after all that, just shows how resilient humans can be!
Years ago I had a school work placement in a retirement home that had mostly Jewish residents. Several of them were holocaust survivors, and one of them in particular was a gentlemen a lot of the residents had nicknamed "The Lion" because he was so incredibly stoic and nothing fazed him. I later found out he was a former member of the Soviet Red Army.
The only time I ever saw him break down and shed tears was on Remembrance Day. When I asked why, one of the residents explained to me that he had been given "cleanup duty" during the war, most notably on a church where the Nazis had taken Jewish women and children and locked them inside a church before burning them alive inside it.
The liberation scenes shown in Band of Brothers are completely fictitious and were written specifically for dramatic effect. Easy Company actually arrived the day after the camp shown in Band of Brothers, *Kaufering IV (Hurlach),* was found and liberated by the 12th Armored Division on April 27, 1945. And there were only a handful of prisoners found alive along with about 500 bodies.
This was easily the most emotional episode of the series. And the crew used cancer patients to stand in as the prisoners of the camp. The scene of Frank comparing the forest to Bastogne was brilliant showing how they mess with each other. And the word Liebgott didn't know was "undesirables" the word Nazis used to describe Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Communists everyone that didn't fit the "perfect Aryan" scope.
Funny how those groups continue to prove themselves to be undesirable to this day.
@@JoveJoved and neo nazis. Pure trash.
@@JoveJoved Your trolling game is pathetic.
The word Untermenschen literally means "subhuman".
@@JoveJoved ah yes I’ll make sure to tell that to all my Jewish friends
Nixon was the intelligence officer. Aa such he did scouting and planning with the command staff and briefing others on what they needed to know to act.
He needed to often be in a position to gather information and get it to Winters or others leading an action.
The shot that gets me every single time I see this episode is during the officer's questioning of Otto Herzfeld -- the real life camp prisoner who gave Easy Company Officers information on the camp (and wonderfully played by French actor Anatole Taubman, himself a Jew). The camera pans past the faces of Nixon, Winters, and Spiers, and you can see Spiers, the meanest, most badass, most fearless man in the company, on the edge of losing his shit completely at the sight of the camp. THAT is what gets me every single fucking time.
What kills me is when the prisoners start to hold onto the soldiers. The realization that they have been saved from hell just poring out of them. Those actors playing the prisoners did a damn fine job.
George S. Patton, old blood and guts, threw up when he found a camp.
When I was 18, I went on a package tour around Europe. Flew into Germany on a red eye. First place they take a plane load of jet lagged teenagers?
Dachau.
It’s where I had my first anxiety attack.
@@dirus3142 All camp actors were dying cancer patients from local hospital.
I always think of the shot of O'Keefe sitting among the rubble. A young enthousiastic guy, with clearly still a lot of innocence in his being.
3-4 weeks after they'shipped out, here he is. A newbie forced to witness one of the worst atrocities in history. When Perconte calls for him and he's just there, destroyed.
This was the first episode of the show that I watched. Back in 2001 when the show was first airing we happened to have a free trial of HBO (no way we were paying for it) but I was working my first job and was unable to really watch the show, though my dad and brother were watching it as it aired. I came home the night this aired and it just so happened that I happened to turn it on just as the re-air was happening some hours after the episode airing for the first time. Watched it and was blown away by the production values, the story, the acting just about everything. At the time TV didn't look like this, so it was hard to credit just how big budget Hollywood it looked and felt. The following year when it came out on DVD in a tin case for somewhere in the $120 price point that I was able to buy it (worth every penny) and experience the whole show.
So this may not be my "favorite" episode, I do have a soft spot for this episode as it was my first BoB exposure.
I don't know if this is a "fun fact", but the author of Catcher In The Rye (JD Salinger) was one of the liberators of Kaufering IV, the camp depicted here
Their reactions to seeing the camp and prisoners for the first time was real. They weren't shown any of the camp prior to the scene being shot because the director of the episode wanted their real reaction. What you see is real shock and confusion from the actors.
It makes me think what Winters and Nixon would have done without each other through all this. Unbelievable friendship.
I think the early focus on Nixon's troubles was exactly to contrast them to the much more severe troubles of other people later in the episode.
That's why they focus on Nixon's reactions to the camp a little more than others' - it snaps him out of his self-absorbed funk.
I cry just rewatching this every time. Also, they were singing Blood on the Risers, a parody, with the lyrics "Gory! Gory! What a hell of a way to die!", not glory glory.
Still guts me. Odd how the emotional impact comes back so readily by watching a review. Merry Christmas, lads.
General Eisenhower said it best when he toured one camp. In front of of the town and Burgermiester- "You make me ashamed my last name is Eisenhower "
Fun Fact: When they shot the camp scene, it was very first time actors were revealed to the props too. So it was genuine reactions from actors, not just acting.
Such a gut wrenching episode. Incredible miniseries.
Most people that was in the camp (as actors) was cancer patient that volenteered to help show how horrible it was and they had reletivs that was victims.
I read that a number of the actors in the concentration camp scenes were dying from cancer and AIDS. As sick as they were, they wanted to be part of this episode.
I cant even begin to imagine the living hell those poor people went through. The saddest thing in human history is the fact that this happened, and people learnt nothing and racism and discrimination still exists.
You're confusing not firing his weapon with not seeing action. He saw action he just wasn't on the front line. As an officer you spend most of the time away from the front line. But that might be harder no? To lose your men and you survive. To feel such guilt that they died and you didn't "do your part" by killing Germans. I used to corner MMA fights and you feel so helpless that you can't help your friends. Can't imagine how much harder it would be for the officers like him to lose his men and not be able to do anything about it.
In a scene in which man carrying older man is speaking Serbian, he is saying "People help, please help, he is still alive, you can still save him"
I was in elementery school when I first watched the series, to hear those words, to understand them, while everything else was subtitled, oh man the filing of dread.
My family and I visited Dachau, near Munich, in 2015. Even after 70 years you could feel the emotional darkness of the place.
I went to Dachau in 2003. I was so sensitive to the place. The dark energy was so thick. I sat down on a grassy section to eat, and I started to cry. I recognized that people would have been killed to touch the grass and they were starved. It puts a lot into focus. That day is still a day I remember all the time.
The set for the camp was made in secret from the actors, and so were the extras. Those reactions when they enter the camp are their genuine reactions
The song was the paratroopers song, Gory Gory what a hell of a way to die. Vince Speranza keeps it up to date with all past conflicts after ww2.
*glory* nor gory. lol
@@nielgregory108 The Battle Hymn of the Republic is Glory, Glory. The paratroopers dark version of it is Gory, Gory. When I was a Boy Scout we had veterans/parents who taught us this and all kinds of other crazy songs.
@@nielgregory108 You'll find it is gory. Blood on the risers, look it up then.
@@chimpinaneckbrace Blood on the risers is the name of it.
My cousin works for Warner Bros, she got me an amazing box set, tons of extras, metal tin…loved it. So of course, my son stole it when he left for college. Brat. I still watch this at least once a year, one of the very best things to ever appear on television, period.
Everything in this show was done exceptionally well. Especially this episode. They managed to represent the true horror of the Holocaust, while remaining respectful, and, not being crass, or, exploitative. I believe everyone should have to watch at least this episode in history in high school.
"The Ascent of Man," episode 11, "Knowledge or Certainty": th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
Some of the liberated people would follow the unit around, Luz had a little boy who would do things for him that everyone jokingly called his son
The French officer that shot the 3 SS hiding in the barn was played by Tom Hanks. All the prisoners were played by patients from cancer wards. They insisted that telling the story was too important to worry about their health..several died before production finished. As an aside, the actor who played 'LeBeau' in Hogan's Heroes was Jewish and a survivor of a camp.
It was a mandatory 9th grade trip at my school to go to the museum in Washington DC (we were about 30 min outside of DC). I left that school the year before but went later on and it is such a powerful place to show what happened.
4:05 Nixon is the intelligence officer for the regiment
I went to Washington D.C for a family vacation, but I was able to visit the Holocaust Museum there and I got to meet a survivor there. His story was so interesting (i don't remember his name currently) but they also have this walk through thing of a kids story from the ghettos to his journey to the camp. Also I had a Holocaust Literature class in high school and it was such an amazing oppurtunity. My final Project for that class was an Art Show and Speaker Event. The art show was compiled of pieces that were made in remembrance and other class projects on the Holocaust. And the speaker we had was a child survivor of that time her name is Sonja DuBois, and she sold her book after her speaking. It is to this day one of the proudest things I've ever done.
I am a soldier.
You don’t fight for your country.
You don’t fight for your beliefs.
You don’t fight for your family.
You fight for the men next to you.
You fight to stay alive and to keep those who are fighting along side you.
Those scenes from the camp, of the piled bodies were recreations of actual photographs from camps
Shoah Foundation has tons of personal stories from the liberators to the survivors. Their interviews are available on TH-cam. There is so much material out there for anyone who is willing to listen. Enjoyed listening to your conversation at the end. I watch this series at least once a year and this episode always makes me cry.
A bit of series trivia...the French solider that executes the Germans on the side of the road is Tom Hanks. It was his only cameo in the series.
I grew up in the US in a Jewish community with a number of Holocaust survivors. When I was 10, my family moved to Israel, and we've been here ever since. The Jewish story, and the Holocaust, has never been something I "forgot" about. Yet, while watching Band of Brothers 15-odd years ago, it had entirely slipped my mind that the Holocaust was taking place during the war the show was depicting. Thus, when I reached this episode, and saw the camp fence, the realization hit me like a ton of bricks.
This is why we fight. o7
They used local volunteers suffering from cancer to play the camp inmates , many didn't love long enough after to see the episode air. After rewatching this, and seeing the inmate They interviewed reactions, I believe he had a wife at the women's camp
My grandfather served in WW2 and his unit liberated a concentration camp, I learned from my dad. I was a history major with a focus on WW2 and the Holocaust, but he died in 1994, when I was only 14, so I never knew until years later. My dad said he only told him once, after a couple too many beers at the local bar, and never spoke of it outside of that one time before or after, as far as my dad new. Just in terms of what you guys were talking about with imagining how it just have impacted the soldiers discovering those camps.
To think there are idiots who deny this ever existed.
"The Ascent of Man," episode 11, "Knowledge or Certainty": th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
One of the documentaries I watched on Easy Company said that the one thing nobody would talk about was the concentration camp..........Winters might have been the only one..........thanks for posting.
Imagine seeing all of the horrors of War, then seeing this and still being horrified further. Remember the little girl in the red coat from Schindler's List, I don't think Spielberg has coincidences in his work. "Why We Fight" is also a nod to the legendary Frank Capra World War 2 series that was made and released during the War. Watch it.
Fun Fact most people know: That is Tom Hanks in French uniform executing Germans 06:42 👀
That was Tom Hanks as the French soldier that shot the germans in the back of the head.
Seen that scene probably a dozen times, never realized that.
There seems to be a dispute about who that is. Yes, it certainly looks like him.
I suspect the soldiers being shot were French traitors.
Thousands of French volunteered for the SS, and when they fell into the hands of Free French forces late in the war, they were denied standard POW status as being the worst kind of traitors.
Some were indeed executed on the spot.
I don't think it's accidental that this is the only time we see soldiers in French uniforms in the entire series (the shooters, that is).
I would have had the Americans say a line or two to make it clearer what was happening there - otherwise, it just looks like a random 'war crime'.
Nixon (the fellow who drinks) was an intelligence officer, which means that most of the time he was in the company or battalion headquarters, not on the front line. Winters himself never fired a round after he was promoted to battalion executive officer, for the same reason.
Holocaust survivors would come speak at my highschool. She said soldiers would give them their candy bars. Everyone who ate them died because their starved systems could not handle it
This episode is so haunting and makes me cry every time
Well done guys. The old Thames documentary World at War, has a good episode on this topic. Highly recommended.
World At War is a masterpiece.
"The Ascent of Man," episode 11, "Knowledge or Certainty": th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
"Ash on an old man's sleeve,
Is all the ash the burnt roses leave.
Dust in the air suspended
Marks the place where a story ended,
Dust in breathed was a house-
The wall, the wainscot and the mouse.
The death of hope and despair,
This is the death of air."
T.S. Eliot.
Never forget what was done. Never forgive these crimes, and, above all, never let yourself be lulled.
When you get the chance, check out:
Kilo Two Bravo
A true story about British soldiers; perfect score on rotten tomatoes; and I admit bias because I trained a few guys from the actual event
They weren’t singing about Glory at the beginning. The song is Blood on the Risers. They’re singing about horrible ways a paratrooper can die. The actual word they’re singing is Gory. Gory, Gory what a hell of a way to die.
Everybody should watch this. And The Killing Fields.
We can't stop history repeating itself unless we know what the dangers are.
Great reaction though, guys. Keep up the good work. Best wishes to you and yours.
Did people notice that one of the French soldiers shooting captured SS in the back of the head, was Tom Hanks? I think it's interesting that, out of all the scenes he could have been in, he chose, or ended up in, this one. The French, of course, had some scores to settle. It's also striking that executing SS guards precedes the discovery of the concentration camp, with its piles of dead Jews and other undesirables, as the Germans put it. Since no guards were still present at the camp, when it was liberated, is it possible that the three SS men had fled the Lager and were picked up by the French, who killed them on the spot?
That's a good point. And there were a number of concentration and labour camps in France.
Liebgott’s smirk at 6:56
What must have been going through the minds of the soldiers who stumbled across the camps all over the place. Few, if any, things are as extremely shocking to your core and extremely traumatizing as that period in the war.
No matter who you were, tough guy or softie, those were unimaginable horrors.
Makes it quite easy to understand why those men fought like demons against the Nazi's (who for the main part were leagues ahead).
There's value in remembering the horrors all those brave men went through so we could live free, and the burdens they would carry everyday after!
I know it isn't a movie or show but you guys should really react to "The Fallen of World War 2" when you finish BoB. It really puts the insane amount of people who died in the war into perspective.
I highly recommend a sort of independent production "The Relief of Belsen" , liberation of Bergen Belsen Concentration camp and race to save its inhabitatants dying from epidemics and starvation afterwards
WW2 combat veterans who saw D-Day said nothing else was close to what they experience when they found concentration camps. Nothing else compared.
My grandfather served in the third army under Patton. He said that he and others came across a concentration camp but he never went into details what he saw. As I got older and learned about the Holocaust in high school I understand why my grandpa never told me what he entirely saw.
He took the hit mentally to avoid others having to go through the images he went through.
That stuff never leaves you
Subscribed. You guys are great. Very few reactors put the time into describing how something impacted them as you two, Also in a very eloquent way. It’s usually just smash blah blah blah.
Awesome!! It's always a treat to see a Cinema Rules video.
Please check out the movie "The Killing Fields". Another great movie.
Fun fact is the guy who executed those three soldiers was Tom Hanks.
The hardest episode of all to watch. The GIs couldn't believe what they'd found in a civilization reduced to such disgusting barbarity with ordinary Germans claiming not to have known what was happening on their doorstep. The legacy of shame was long and painful.
Tom, Shaun it's alright to feel shock, dumbfounded, angry and even embarrassed knowing that other members of the human race are capable of such evil. I have had the dvd set since it first came out and have no idea how many times I have watched this series both at home and in these reactions, but this episode gets me every time. All we can do is learn from it and make sure it is never repeated.
The French soldier who executes the German prisoners is your boy, Tom Hanks, in one of a few cameos in the series.
Do something for yourselves and watch the documentary they did, We Stand Alone Together, that has the full interviews that they did and sampled in the series.
It's great to hear these men, now mostly passed on, tell you their experience in their own words.
6:45. Tom Hanks doing the shooting.
Great reaction. This is a standout moment when I think of Band of Brothers. The most horrifying thing to happen to mankind I'd argue though is the Atlantic slave trade. The estimated range of the death toll is 11 million Africans killed to 93 million Africans killed. Either way an even larger genocide than the horrific holocaust. I do think it's a bit a shame that the racism that is the basis for, and justification for, the Atlantic slave trade is often glossed over and ignored in the Western world. Millions killed at sea and simply thrown overboard like chum for fish. Once arrived in many countries families were split, decades in newborn children/teenage children stolen and sold never to be seen again, people tortured and killed, mass victims of violations, and yes the over 11 million killed on the low end. And it occurred for over 200 years. It formed the basis for today's race based inequality. In my country because there is a white majority whose ancestors participated in the slave trade they simply try to ignore the genocide. That's unlike in Germany. At least in Germany they have confronted their past, there are monuments to the crimes so that we know and remember. In my country, for a century they simply pretend race based slavery did not happen and has no current effect on shaping a society. They made monuments to slave holders, Confederate soldiers but not to the slaves that were victimized. Here i think it's easy to demonize this German totalitarian state. It's easy to point the finger at another country. They are far less willing to criticize there own horrific participation in an atrocity of equal if not greater horror. Neither should be forgotten, minimized, or ignored.
I think you're forgeting the east or Trans-Saharan slave trade, wich started 10 centuries (that's 1000 years) before the Atlantic slave trade...
Tom hanks makes a cameo at 6:45 as the French soldier executing the germans
I highly recommend a low budget independent movie "The Relief of Belsen"
The hardest episode to get through
You may already know this, and I truly hope you watch/react to it, there is a special called "We Stand Alone Together" - Band of Brothers Documentary.
If you haven't already, you two should react to a video called The Fallen of WW2. It really compliments this series quite a lot.
"It's now April"?! You've sat on this for 8 months?
I think it took these guys several episodes just to realize this isn't some made up Hollywood story. I still have my doubts.
Glad they got the nice funny intro cuz I'm sure by the end they're going to be sad and depressed.
There hundreds of camps and sub-camps throughout Germany and conquered nations. No death camps were in Germany itself, but by war's end most work camps even in Germany had become de facto death camps. Malnutrition, exposure, and overwork killed thousands. The liberated prisoners were so weak and ill that even after receiving medical attention, over 50,000 more of them still died.
Best episode in the series of B.O.B.Will you be looking at The Pacific ?That one is brutal.
The guards at Belsen were made to clean up the bodies. Every single one of them died of Typhus.
This is the best episode of the best series in HBO history.
Barely saw a thing, this episode has me cry the whole time because I cry as I know what's coming, then I see it and I cry then cry the rest of the episode because this truly happened.
Unrelated, they get the date wrong. It says April 11 1945 for when the guys are hanging out at the start and then returns to the same moment at the end to say Hitler is dead, but Hitler didn't die until April 30. An odd mistake! But truly doesn't matter with the sadness of this episode...
The song said "gory, gory - what a hella of a way to die" not glory btw. this was hard to take.
6:43 That was Tom Hanks shooting the soldiers.
I don’t think it was, just checked now and it doesn’t look like him? 🤔
The producers of Band of Brothers kept the concentration camp set off limits to the cast, so they didn’t know what they were going to find. The reactions you see from them are completely genuine
Makes me cry every time!
Surprised you guys didn't include some parts about the local Germans being shown the camps and the famous baker scene.
April? We're near Christmas now. XD
5:10 ... THERE THEY ARE.
For anyone who cares to know, all the worst things that happened in these camps are happening RIGHT NOW in China. Choose wisely.
You see, everything happening in these camps happened soon after, on Stalin's Gulag. In their ally's camps. And then again and again and again.... and now in China.
But never underestimate how much Westen nations have been trained to think of Hitler and Hitler only when it's about unimaginable cruelty.
Funny that.
Choose what? Say what you mean boy
@@baneh1329 I don't know boy.
Choose allies? Stalin was one of yours too.
Choose the cheap crap you're buying, produced in hard labour camps?
@@susivarga7303 One of mine you say? Interesting, and tell me, what makes you say that? Where am I from?
@@baneh1329 Might have made a mistake assuming something I cannot know. You might be African or Eastern European, or an Eskimo for all I know. You are right and I apologise. Your condescending tone might have pissed me off.
To me, the original comment was clear. Every time a Westerner wants to define Evil, they go back 80+ years and shout Hitler. Very, very tiring for the rest of us.
Watch this episode in particular every once in a while 🙂 truth hurts but is necessary
May I suggest "The Ascent of Man," episode 11, "Knowledge or Certainty"?: th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
The message/title of the episode, "Why We Fight" was purposely chosen with the overall narrative of the episode. Each of the men we see - Perconte, O'Keefe, Nixon, etc. - all have issues at the beginning of the episode that seem so significant to them. The older vets are becoming cynical and jaded to the war, their families are starting to deteriorate, and it's wearing them down. O'Keefe doesn't want to miss out on action. They've all lost sight of why the war was being fought: to save those who couldn't save themselves from the clutches of a madman.
It took that jarring moment of coming upon the camp to bring them back into the right frame of mind and remind them why they were there.
Anyone who can should visit the holocaust museum in Washington DC. You walk out of there a different person. It's incomprehensible. The part that got me really bad, one of the exhibits is a perfectly preserve train car full of nothing but...... shoes. It would be impossible to put into words the way I felt after seeing that.
The experience of Allied World War II combat troops coming across Nazi concentration/death camps was shattering. Even Soviet troops, who had more than enough reasons to hate Nazis and Germans, got a WTF!? reaction when they found these camps. In 1973, Dr. Jacob Bronowski, hosting "The Ascent of Man,"paused during episode 10, "Knowledge or Certainty," to illustrate the difference between these concepts. th-cam.com/video/ltjI3BXKBgY/w-d-xo.html
This medium is great for showing the horrors and educating but reading the accounts of survivors tells of the truly inhumane horrors that happened. Things so bad that they would never be depicted on any film or tv documentary. Things so unbelievably evil that they are just too shocking to show.
That screamer at the beginning killed me