The Voice of REason: Rich Eisen Explains Why ‘The Last Dance’ Finale Left Him Wanting More | 5/18/20
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At the beginning of the season, Jerry Krause told Phil Jackson it would be his last season. Then he announced it publicly. Krause even said that if the Bulls went 82-0, Phil wouldn't be back. He made it very clear: Phil would not return. So all season, Phil had it in his mind that this would be his last season. That was his mindset. Then, after the season, Jerry Reinsdorf says "Hey, why don't you come back?" ... By that time, Phil had had enough of the BS with Krause. I think he was ready for a change.
The documentary answered these questions. 1) Reinsdorf didn't want to pay Pippen, Rodman and other players their market value at that point. 2) Phil wasn't going to coach a rebuild of the team without the players of #1. 3) Jordan wasn't going to play without Phil. In otherwords you can't have 3 without 2 without 1. Edit* Jordan would have come back if the team was left in tact for a shot at a 7th championship.
Money!!!! Weren't you watching the show?! Reinsdorf cheaped out.
Do you really think the salaries wouldve outweighed the money generated from having another year of Michael Jordan?
@@pathfinder375 even if the expense exceeded the income, the valuation of the entire business increases in relation to the success. Over the course of that decade, the profits and valuation of the team went through the roof. Maybe Reinsdorf takes an operating loss for a year or two, but in return his entire business is worth more. Crazy enough, in this case it was most likely a reverse of the old adage. He was in such a good position, he essentially had two birds in the hand and one in the bush, yet somehow left with only a two piece meal.
Angus Long
According to an article I read online, the Bulls owner made even more profit the year after even though it was lockout-shortened, no playoffs and with the worst team in the league.
Krause really cleared salary space.
Sad, but true.
Should’ve just gone for one more year anyway. Rebuilding would’ve come soon enough.
I agree wholeheartedly. It was clear they rushed episode 10.
After an incredible series, episode 10 left a lot unanswered.
I thought episode 10 should have been 2hrs itself.
So many questions left unasked.
What answers? The documentary isn’t to say anything after the last season. It was to show the last dance and not the after party.
bLoWc16 well the answer to why it ended.
fanchi Kelly if you don’t know why, then you weren’t paying attention to the document 🤦♂️
The director said they were still editing episode 10 while 5 through 8 was airing.
bLoWc16 it did not go into details man.
It easy to just say it was money or it was ego.
Why didn’t they try to work it out.
Why hadn’t MJ and reinsdorf talk it over.
I think you just don’t get it. They did not explain the reasons.
If Jordan said he was willing and that he would have convinced Phil and Pip.
Why didn’t those conversations happen?
I agree 100%. The end leads to frustration and anger at how things ended. Pippen said they could have won 2 more championships
Pippen wouldn't have re-signed without a huge contract- a huge contract he couldn't get while they were paying Jordan $30+ million a year. It sounds nice now, and it's easy to say now, but look at the situation, look at what Pippen did, look at how he handled his anger over his contract already, and you'll see there's no chance Scottie is a Bull the next year, Jordan or no Jordan.
@@datguitarplayer1656 MJ did address this....by saying Scottie would need some convincing
@@datguitarplayer1656 it could work as long as Krause was not there. Pippen and Phil Jackson problems were with Krause not ownership.
It was made pretty clear - Reinsdorf is extremely cheap and didn't want to pay the increasing salaries of Pippen, Kerr, Longley... Asking Jordan/Phil Jackson to rebuild with a new team is unconscionable; just because Reinsdorf is el cheapo
Exactly
David Michael actually yes that’s true but also most of the role players salaries would increase, Kerry Longley Kukoc etc. Phil and MJ wouldn’t want a new round of role players that MJ would have to test again.
bLoWc16 Kukoc was not a free agent he was still under contract.
Kerr would not attracting millions and millions of dollars, and Longley could have been replaced by other big body center, in those days there were a lot of them.
Bottomline is they could have paid
fanchi Kelly Kerr was worth millions at that point as the most accurate 3pt shooter and at that point MJ didn’t want new roles players as he trust the team he had already and didn’t want to test them again that’s the bottom line, MJ wanted the same team with Phil. You’re not a basketball GM so stop acting like you know the workings of NBA contracts:
bLoWc16 Kerr earn 1.7 millions in 99 and in 98 700,000, but that’s because management told him to go try get more because they were not planing to resign him.
If they tried to negotiate with MJ also talking to the players it is probable Kerr would have signed a 1 year deal for less than 1.7 and say they meet in the middle.
Did most people watching just mute their tv halfway through the finale? The owner said he talked to Phil about he and MJ staying, but he was still getting rid of everyone else because he didn't wanna pay them their market value. Those were his words as plain as day.
It was a celebration of the team at the end, going negative wouldn’t have fit with what they were going for
Rich, you were there in the last episode! Rich, you are part of this great series! Rich, you had much more hair... 😃
I recognized him more from his voice than his face 😂
Wasn’t the purpose of this “documentary” to address the whole truth. As DP says it’s to remind a new generation who the GOAT is.
Yea it’s Kareem and it’s not close honestly
They knew what MJ wanted, but they still insisted during the season that they were going to rebuild and then suddenly when the Bulls win, management tries to make good for a whole season+ of no caring to keep the team together.
An extra 30 minutes would’ve tied everything up nicely
I thought it was pretty clear why they broke up. I was completely satisfied with the ending.
trust me this story is far from over people want more. hell we need more
No. There is nothing else to know about Jordan. He’s a boor and a dick that holds grudges.
@@zackamania6534 look out knicks fans in the building
Thank you Sir. I felt like the documentary was cut short. All these questions are left unanswered, why? We were left hanging. Please don't get me wrong, i fully appreciate the documentary. Thank you very much.
I’m surprised Jordan didn’t go to the Knicks in 99 a lot of people thought he was and they went to the finals so he would of got number 7 with Knicks
Probably Mr. Reinsdorf agreed to the documentary in exchange for "no dismantling questions please". He is still the owner of the Bulls...they wouldnt have made this documentary if Krause was alive. Episode 10 ended the way it ended for them. Lots of questions. Reinsdorf seems like a Cheap businessman (what a surprise). But is everyone leaving out the Pacers series..not sure if the aging Bulls could have kept their dominance to be honest. Better to leave at the top, better to burn than to fade away.
It was Krause that wanted to prove he could rebuild a team without Jordan and got riensdorph’s approval because it would be cheaper
That worked out...
Denny B sadly bulls fans are still waiting
I’m happy the way it ended. They left the party at the right time.
Americans often don’t have that skill. I think it was perfect
Here from Cowherds video? Lol
I didn't know Louis CK liked basketball 😁
All I know is, the ending song by Pearl Jam was poetic, and a perfect choice with the imagery.
MJ had 3 good seasons left in him
No he didn’t lmao 🤣 at most 1
Isn't clearly indicated in the episode that Phil Jackson didn't want to continue after #6? Go back and watch again.
But it was already after being told he wouldn't be back at the beginning of the year, so he coached that year with the expectation he was leaving. It might have bern different had Reinsdorf told him in Montana the summer before that he wanted him for 2 or 3 more years. But now, to wait until this point, after Krause had already made his declaration, it wouldn't be fair to either of them.
The Bulls would have won in '94, and would have won in '99: 8 in 9yrs. Wow.
Egos Rich, its pretty clear to me
Only egos were in the front office
Throw it up! 🙌🏾
Rich clearly didn't pay attention. It all starts with Phil. He was told he was a goner either way and MJ had stated he wasn't playing for anyone other than Phil. Then Reinsdorf offered Phil a 1-year contract, but to coach a rebuilding team. Reinsdorf was willing to pay MJ, but nobody else and it's pretty obvious he's so cheap; that all the other key members were gonna sign elsewhere.
I could had seen the role players taking a one year cheap contracts and the bird rule applied then... all one year contracts, the group would had agree into something and MJ could had taken a pay-cut. Money wasn’t the problem, as it could had been negotiated but the egos definitely played a big part. If Krause wasn’t saying this would be Phil’s last year, Phil might had taken another year contract and the real last dance would has been the 99 season.
@@blowc1612 Agreed and no way in hell Scottie was going to do that after having played for $18M since 1991.
The 2 Jerry's broke the team up. I don't see how thats not clear. Krause was already courting Phil's replacement a year or so prior and Reinsdorf let Krause take the fall for his negligence as an owner. One Jerry was too cheap and the other was too egotistical. Not that hard to figure out imo. Reinsdorf used money as an excuse but Jordan maintains that he could've convinced the players who's value went up to take one year deals(probably all at a discount price). Whether he could or not is a different conversation.
Simple.....Money. Reinsdorf is not willing to pay them (except for Jordan) the players increase market value, Krause just executed it and task to find justification away from them.
Absolute disgrace both Jerry's put finances ahead of preserving the Bulls legacy, lame excuses by Jerry of players getting older, PJ wanting to leave for Montana or trying to do Pippen a favor (2nd best player of 90s earning less than $15k of a 100 game season), Bulls playing like seasoned veterans every game to be treated in such a way is appauling and an insult to fans of this great sport. Now the whole world gets to see the true colours of the Bulls organisation and how MJ transcended Chicago unlike ever before or since. What a waste of an opportunity, as a follower of the game lost for words !!!
Jerry Reinsdorf & Krause shouldn’t be celebrated. Their stupidity should be studied by those in the future. It’s always the people who have zero to do with the results to break up the magic pieces.
The only thing that made another year impossible was Jerry Krause. He had toxic working relationships with his coach and star players. Ask any Bulls fans from the 90's, also look at the championship ceremonies and anytime he was introduced at the United Center. He was loudly booed by the fans since the mid-nineties.
fans blamed him for mj leaving in 93 but it was the salary cap and lockout that really did in the bulls...the nba changed after 1998..forever...
If Michael Jordan never left after his third championship, then I strongly believe that he would have 8 straight back to back.
no..7 in 8 years tops....maybe 8 in 9...8 straight is hard to do ..things go against you
Don't know why this is an issue, they were all collectively tired. It had to be sooo draining to go through 6 seasons and post seasons of drama. They were finished pure and simple. Its easy for the armchair fan to say go for another!
Was it a salary cap issue?
It was the right time to end. Even Mj said he did not want to play a season with less games because of the lockout...
It's really wierd like no one was talking to one another in this team
I think there was a communication breakdown within the organization and they didn't really give it a chance to be talked out and negotiated. Seemed like the most of the major players were mentally checked out and were in a mode of "if it happens it happens".
Reinsdorf before Krause and then Jackson, ran the Bulls like Sterling ran the Clippers. And after those guys left, the Bulls haven't been taken care of -- can't think of anything great since then besides drafting Elton Brand and Derrick Rose. The Jay Will accident and Ben Gordon injuries were bad luck as well.
If Rose was never hurt, I think they would had been able to get one.
As a sixth grader I was upset and a bulls fan. That’s why I couldn’t stand the lakers when they won three in short order.
Did you not see the 1st ep? Krause said Phil wasn't gonna return. Mike said without Phil he's not returning. Team wasn't gonna pay Scotty, he wanted a trade. Rodman was gone no matter what. Kukoc was the only unknown. The rest were role players.
Thank you, you're the first person who appears to have actually watched and processed the information 😄
Phil was the first domino! Phil said it himself, he declined the offer because he wanted to give Krause what he wanted. Then MJ would be the next person to decline due to what he said no Phil no contract, and the rest fell after that.
They showed us the reason, they were a family and they wanted to be all together until the end, wich means that everyone had to be signed back, and they didn't wanted to sign Pippen and Rodman, or Kerr or the rest of the squad, the relation between Krause and Phil was really bad, there wasnt a chance of them cooperating to build a team, the intention was clear, they really thought they were capable of building something similar of what they had, that could've prove Krause point that the organization was winning, not the players. Well he was wrong, they drafted good players but their management failed terribly (drafting Aldridge and trading him away, mishandling D Rose carrer, not building arround Jimmy B, etc)
Last dance is last dance.....no encore. It’s the last Friggin dance
Phil Jackson wanted to coach the younger Lakers. That’s why he said he is taking a year off.
He did not know he was going to the Lakers. He wanted to get away from Krause.
Thanks skip
I’m the opposite, I’d rather see more Michael Jordan highlights and play than behind the scenes mgmt stuff
Josh Ringer under 30 I’m guessing?
Alex absolutely he is lol
Krause and Reinsdorf were the reasons for the breakup. Krause wanted to be the reason for the team’s success while Reinsdorf was too cheap. Once Krause alienated Phil Jackson, he would ultimately alienate MJ. You lose Phil, you lose MJ. Plus, with Reinsdorf not having a better contract for Scottie earlier or late in his first tenure with the Bulls, Scottie was going to leave also.
Large Question?
6-0 is perfect. No one wants to see aging superstar athletes being carried off the court in defeat.
As a huge Jordan fan, I would’ve rather him tried at the very least in 99, even if he loses. Even if Robinson and Duncan are too much for the aging bulls. I prefer that than they break up. I’m sure if he loses it hurts his legacy. But I feel like sports fans deserve it.
You’re dead wrong bro. There was no real drop off in play and no major injuries. Further, Kukoc was fully mature and ready to play a larger role like he started to in 94’. Yeah they could have used a break but that’s exactly what they would have gotten with a shortened season. Also, what’s to say they could not have added a couple of pieces to make up for any slack?
Dynasties falter because of major injuries and because some players lose their desire to compete. That was never the case with the Bulls.
would of been nice to see the hakeem or duncan teams vs the bulls ..oh well..
Hearing Phil get the oppertunity 2 come back for 7 and Phil said no........
It took a few days for the shock and disappointment 2 go away. Blew me away they had a shot at 7 and Phil said fuq us
Btw had Jordan went to get these guys back they would of come back
At the end of the day, whatever excuses kraus and reinsdorf can give. It will always be their fault. Isn't it jerry who said that it is the front office who wins championships? Why weren't they able to prove it after the 98 team? They were both incharge. They are the only ones who can keep the bulls together. They can't blame phil, mj and the others. They have a different job description. Phil's job is to coach, the team's job is to play and it was front office's job to make sure to maintain a winning formula that was working for them.
DDP 💎
It’s because we never got to hear Krause’s side of the story or why reinsdorf decided to choose Krause over Mj
Money plain and simple
Matthew Heywood I imagine he lost millions in revenue for those years following 98 when Mj would have still been playing had he decided to keep Phil over Krause he probably lost lots of profit in the long run by doing what he did.
Paul Gov not really the bulls were still selling out years after Jordan left look it up . For a vastly cheaper and inferior team
Hey: ATTENTION: THE BLACK CAT IS SIMPLY THE G.O.A.T......🤣🤣🤣🤣
Phil was just tired of the Bulls Management! It a lot deeper than what is been said. This was a conspiracy against the Bulls winning more Titles!
i bet jerry west behind the scenes told phil he would pay him what he wanted if he took a year off and phil said ok cause the bulls said no way to that salary..thats why he called it the last dance..its pretty clear the reason the magic got swept in 96 and rodman stopped shaq is cause jerry got in shaq's ear to come to la a year after they made the finals hes already in la?..makes no sense....all this stuff is jerry west's fault...hes always been behind all this stuff from kareem to la to magic to worthy to kobe shaq gasol to kawhi now...its always jerry west
They could not have won their 7th. MJ has worn his body out and he needed to rest, for good..
MJ was mvp form as a 39 year old... the 99 season was a shorten season and would had given them enough time to rest. A lot of basketball experts could see the Bulls was prime for the 7th win because of the lockout.
Reinsdorf was cheap.. still is cheap.. Krause thought he was bigger than he really was.. he wanted so much credit... the two Jerry's ruined the bulls..
MJ still had plenty left in the tank and why did he quit playing!
Because they broke up the team and got rid of his coach
They could’ve won 2 more in 94 and 95.. but not sure they would’ve won in 99,2000.. they seemed pretty cooked by the end. It was probably time..
99 maybe cause it was a weird year but 2000 hell no not unless they replaced everyone around mj including pippen with fresh talent..mj by 2000 was 37 lol...he could not be the best player every night by then...hell no not for a whole year
I agree with Rich here, there is more to the story...they are probably saving it for a rainy day to get people to pay to watch it.
The whole doc was free 🤦♂️
Had the Bulls stayed together they would have won another title!
But would they have though? The next year they would've faced the Spurs with Duncan and Robinson. Who did the bulls have that could stop one let alone both of them 😬
In 1999 the Pacers and Spurs was 1-1 against each other. The Pacers had the Better team, 50 game season David Robinson was 36 and done Duncan was 22. Had the Bull stayed together MJ, Rodman, Pippen. That team would have beaten the Spurs. The Bulls centers combine would have been enough to beat Robinson and Duncan. The Only team that was an Legitimate threat to the Bulls was the Pacers! Jordan would have beaten them again. He would be (7-0) But God even Rest after (6) Destiny had ran it Course. There were Dark Forces working Against Jordan (The G.O.A.T) That Team💯💯✳️💯💯
@@88mokeyz8k also remember that the Pacers that year LOST to the Knicks who were horrible that year. I think the Bulls with maybe a tweak and maybe Jordan chipping in for Scottie would have come back strong in 99
in 94 maybe...99?..i don't know man 4 in a row is tough
phil is the first domino by taking a year off.. then the second domino is reinsdorf for not talking to MJ for a 7th..
a combination of ego, and greed. Reinsdorf was cheap, and Krause felt slighted. in one of the episodes where they celebrate a title, Krause says "this is the greatest ORGANIZATION in the league! we have a great team, BUT the organization are the stars" (to that effect)! he hated that he was not considered a rockstar like the team. he felt the world looked at him like a background singer/groupie!
Eveyone always talks about what a great coach Phil Jackson was, and he has 12 rings as a coach.
But did he ever had to build a team?
Has any coach ever built a team? Aside from Pat with the Heat
@@dylanpriest9756 Chuck Daly built the Pistons; Red Auerbach built the Celtics; John Kundla built the first Lakers dynasty (Minneapolis).
Everybody was way too fucking stubborn and that’s why it turned out the way it did. Smh all just had to get in one room and talk to try and go for 7
Rich is really digging deep to try to create some content for the show. You need to check your reading and comprehension skills
1991 pippen sigmed a contract i think it was $18mil krause told pippen"If you sign this the contract is outmoted". Had waited another year he would have a had HUGE payday because 91-92 season contract money went through the roof and pippen was being underpaid by that point.
But lets go back to the 97-98 season. Krause was tired of phil jackson and phil was sick of krauses bullshit, Jordan by this point was regretting coming back watch the 97-98 chicago bulls documentary unforgettabull . Pippen was done with krause rodman was rodman doing rodman things LOL , reinsdorf allegiance was to krause. If the bulls cameback for 1 more year the spurs would have defeated chicago mj would ride off into the sunset and retire rodman would either get traded or retire pippen would get traded steve kerr gets traded luc longley gets traded bill wennington and jud beuchler would also get traded. So the bulls would of been disassembled folloeing a finals loss and a rebuild would be needed it gives fans a chance to be thankful to watch that team from 1984-1999 and be in 6 of 7 finals win.
The NBA has a new powerhouse teams in Lakers,Spurs,Pacers,76ers,Utah ,New jersey , Portland , and theres Sacramento kings with C webb. Giving fans a chance to watch young guys ascend and teams contend for a NBA title . The bulls loss gives way to a new era following mjs retirement provided he stays retired.
They did kind of, for the lack of a better word, abandon the Krause subplot post episode 4. It's called The Last Dance and they did a fine job in the beginning setting up why it was their last year. Then it became much more Michael centric and the other parts of the puzzle were put in the back burner 🤷♀️.
Phil won 9 of 12, I am sure he is fine with what happened
Tom Stevens 9 of 12? You mean 11 of 12, he won 6 in Chicago and 5 in Los Angeles losing his final year before retiring.
9 of 11 ...he did not coach in 99 and in 94 he had less talent no expected to win and if not for a ref's call and star's ego may have made another finals so is really 9 of 10 and in 95 mj came back so late and was out of shape so...and the guy who beat him in 95 shaq helped win him 3 more and one of the guys that won in 94 helped as well in horry..kind of ironic...phil jackson won his rings without a star point guard or even a top 6-7 pg in the league...pgs are overrated
Too many egos to placate...super teams all have a shelf life....
I agree with Bill Simmons, they wouldn’t have won anyway. They are all fortunate they broke up when they did because if they brought that team back again they would have lost and it would have damaged their pristine legacy.
Emerson Sortun Plus...as a Jordan fan...even I was getting tired of them winning all the time.
@SuperPunch76 Same way you don't have your favorite dessert for every meal...after a while it gets old.
@SuperPunch76 I think LeBron has the right idea....always leave them wanting more...nobody's tired of seeing him win.
The team deserved to defend what was theirs until someone beat them. Let another team and their run, instead of guys in suits doing it. That's why Michael is still upset he had to leave in his peak, even if he was 6-0 in finals.
Not sure how they'd match up with San Antonio in 99. Twin Towers would dominate but MJ and Pippen would do the same.
Why didn't the last dance include Skip Bayless? Is it because he works for fox sports now or what? He covered that last season and would of been a great guest to talk about that season
Rich you had hair in 98
that is a brutal hairline for a 29 year old though
Because their was so left.out games that Jordan didnt do well and scottie pippen or the team bailed him.out.
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Krause did an OK job! A great job is R.C. Buford in San Antonio. You build around your “aging” dynastic superstars. Wasn’t that hard Jerry! Smh
Jerry did an outlandishly amazing job until 96 or maybe 97 at least.. Also, SA never had any questions about their coach
@@inst4rmin.x4_onYT And Jerry K. should not have had any questions about Phil! He sabotaged his own work for nothing! Silly man!
And karma is the reason they haven't won a thing since. They were so busy being greedy. They just filled your arena for 9 years straight and won 6 chips. Ownership sucks!!
Everyone is forgetting Jordan had control over the documentary and we are learning, for example what Horace Grant said, that this documentary may be more fiction than fact.
Uderrated comment. Even pizza maker questioned BS flu game
Everybody knew it was over, they left before they could even lose it all.
Rich is like a teenage girl sometimes
They also left out what abusive individual MJs father was, so expecting honesty seems silly.
MJs dad wasn’t abusive 🤦♂️ and it wasn’t a documentary about MJ, it’s a documentary about the final season and the events that lead to it.
It’s almost like the documentary didn’t answer the fundamental question. There was no real narrative. It was just a nostalgic puff piece for Jordan.
Bc Karen killed her rich hubby and the Tiger King conspired to kill her....wait...is this the same documentary?
They also could’ve won 2 more championships if MJ didn’t retire to go play baseball.