Jim could play a kitchen funnel and it would still have the sweet sound of molasses. Remarkable what a sound he can get out of a plastic horn. Mad respect. Nice. He never disappoints.
@@ddlcfan8947 Still, its one plastic sax vs the numerous brass saxophones that our kind sir Jim could choose amongst. And it's a kinda good one to begin with. As an engineering student, i feel it has way more to do with the design rather than the material, we are not talking about a violin here where the wood choice changes affect how the acoustic speaker that is a bowed instrument vibrates. I think we have a good example with Ricardo Simian's 3d printed cornettos (zink, cornet à bouquin) which are basically renaissance trumpets but with recorder-like fingerings. Their design is very simple thus making a wooden and a plastic instrument almost Indistinguishable in a blind test (ref: th-cam.com/video/YOtbLrjK7Cs/w-d-xo.html). I await more variants of the plastic tenor sax as this could be a real good investments for the casual, beach-going amateur saxophonist that I am. In a nutshell, I find the plastic vs brass debate in the wind world to be the equivalent to the "tone woods" debates for electric guitars. Utter non-sense.
@@Davmm96 I have read benade papers on sax acoustics but, am not totally convinced that there is no difference in material! Interesting horn and if the price wasn't so high, i would buy one!.......
I've been following the Vibrato Sax for years, and I really like this comparison. The plastic one was more "muted", and "warmer" compared to the brass. To be fair, the brass was still very warm sounding, but also had a brightness to it.
I have a Vibrato, as the one Jim plays on this video, and the two things I appreciate are the comfy weight and its "personality". My main tenor is a silver-plated Conn 10M from 1936. I would not buy a Vibrato as my first instrument but it definitely has its place when it comes to studio recording. A muted trumpet sound has its own values compared to a plain open trumpet sound and the Vibrato is the perfect "muted tenor sax" sound on my recording palette :-)
I'm still waiting for Vibrato to change the game and corner the market by releasing the plastic bass sax A cheaper, lighter bass would probably beat out even the Sakkusu
The brass has more depth to its sound then the plastic. There is a night and day difference. I think perhaps maybe the plastic horn is great for a beginning at a young age especially if dings and dents are more prone with young players.
Brass maybe a little louder and maybe more conducive for a large group or room/stadium (maybe) but I prefer the sound of the first one (plastic one). Warmer and richer. If I was recording in a studio I would choose the first in a heart beat.
i personally feel like it lacks the depth of a brass instrument but its certainly not bad :) I imagine this being great for especially children who want to start playing saxophone!
One thing I'd be curious about is a comparison to a similarly priced brass tenor. One that might be more susceptible to dents, dings, pads going bad, or needing adjustments. My understanding is the pads on these are self leveling, and are easy to replace. Not to mention silicon will hold up for a while.
wow, there's such a huge difference. the plastic horn lacks the depth of the sax so much... though i have noticed so only after the comparison to the brass horn. nice video!
The sound of polycarbonate is more focused and dark. It gives the kind of sound that can only be reached with hard reeds (thinking to the 5 that Parker does). The same for alto sax. I prefer that sound, good for studio. And pros can give the best of every kind of instruments ;-)
Considering the price I don't know. To me it's all about the mouthpiece and the reed. I was able to pick up a Mark 7 in remarkable shape for $700 in a Pawn Shop in Napa Valley. They also had a beautiful silver Alto that I should have bought for $400. For the Tenor I bought a signature John Coltrane Mouthpiece, gold plated, for about $200 and I used a Synthetic reed, because the sound was close enough and I wouldn't always have to buy a box of reeds for one or two good ones. I grew to love that reed. Had to leave the horn with a friend when the economy collapsed back in 2008. Everything is so pricey these days, I'd probably spend money on the mouthpiece and settle for a Horn that's mechanically sound and playable.
Polycarbonate - I wouldn't call that plastic - is incredibly strong. On a daily basis, I have used bottles of polycarbonate for two decades now and once tried to hammer one into pieces. I did not succeed at that.
Brass it's just better, opens more sound posibilities and options, you can feel the personality of who's playing coming through on the brass, plastic sounds like it makes sound way too bland.
I thought I should put my thoughts down on this matter, specifically for people who think the polycarbonate sax is "bland" and has "no personality" and thus sounds "bad". That is such a misguided way of thinking. The polycarbonate sax should be thought of like the different shades of a certain color. From what I can tell, the poly sax sounds more soft and muted, whereas the traditional brass sax has more projection and is noticably more brighter. That doesn't mean the poly sax sounds "bad", it just means the poly sax can be used for different purposes. Some songs may require a softer sax tone, which is what the poly sax does best.
The plastic sax was OK. If you didn't also hear the sound of a brass sax, the sound would be fine. To me it seems a good student sax especially for children. But if I listen to the brass sax then the sound cannot compare. The sound of the brass sax is richer. I expect that the sound is also more versatile. more personal.
A creative invention. Looks good. But not first option of my purchase. Brass sax passes the test of time while this plastic invention yet to prove its durability.
An unfair comparison. Comparing it to a student sax might be better. It wasn't terrible, but it's not a real brass sax and it's certainly not a top pro model.
Jim could play a kitchen funnel and it would still have the sweet sound of molasses. Remarkable what a sound he can get out of a plastic horn. Mad respect. Nice. He never disappoints.
I just gave mine a bubble bath. Cleaned up nicely. Bonus feature is blowing bubbles as you play
Lol not a bad idea for a kids party. Bubble sax songs!
Wait you can wash it? Does it not have pads?
The pads are a kind of plastic too.
So it would be safe to play the plastic one outside in the rain other than the typical brass one?
I personally feel it doesn't have the depth, projection and ring of a brass saxophone but it isn't bad at all.
Dave's Nature Productions yeah i agree. Its super bland and has no personality.
@@ddlcfan8947 Still, its one plastic sax vs the numerous brass saxophones that our kind sir Jim could choose amongst. And it's a kinda good one to begin with. As an engineering student, i feel it has way more to do with the design rather than the material, we are not talking about a violin here where the wood choice changes affect how the acoustic speaker that is a bowed instrument vibrates.
I think we have a good example with Ricardo Simian's 3d printed cornettos (zink, cornet à bouquin) which are basically renaissance trumpets but with recorder-like fingerings. Their design is very simple thus making a wooden and a plastic instrument almost Indistinguishable in a blind test (ref: th-cam.com/video/YOtbLrjK7Cs/w-d-xo.html).
I await more variants of the plastic tenor sax as this could be a real good investments for the casual, beach-going amateur saxophonist that I am.
In a nutshell, I find the plastic vs brass debate in the wind world to be the equivalent to the "tone woods" debates for electric guitars. Utter non-sense.
Damezca i didn’t say it wasn’t good for beginners or amateurs.
@@Davmm96 I have read benade papers on sax acoustics but, am not totally convinced that there is no difference in material! Interesting horn and if the price wasn't so high, i would buy one!.......
Yea but it’s light on your neck
I think it’s be great for small rooms and events where a cool saxophone would be bonus points lol
I've been following the Vibrato Sax for years, and I really like this comparison. The plastic one was more "muted", and "warmer" compared to the brass. To be fair, the brass was still very warm sounding, but also had a brightness to it.
I have a Vibrato, as the one Jim plays on this video, and the two things I appreciate are the comfy weight and its "personality". My main tenor is a silver-plated Conn 10M from 1936. I would not buy a Vibrato as my first instrument but it definitely has its place when it comes to studio recording. A muted trumpet sound has its own values compared to a plain open trumpet sound and the Vibrato is the perfect "muted tenor sax" sound on my recording palette :-)
That plastic one sounds very warm and smooth. WOW! I'm surprised I prefer the plastic sax over the brass one.
I'm still waiting for Vibrato to change the game and corner the market by releasing the plastic bass sax
A cheaper, lighter bass would probably beat out even the Sakkusu
The difference is like heaven and earth
The brass has more depth to its sound then the plastic. There is a night and day difference. I think perhaps maybe the plastic horn is great for a beginning at a young age especially if dings and dents are more prone with young players.
Brass maybe a little louder and maybe more conducive for a large group or room/stadium (maybe) but I prefer the sound of the first one (plastic one). Warmer and richer. If I was recording in a studio I would choose the first in a heart beat.
Also, how does one go about repairs on these horns? They arent really cheap enough to replace and forget like the pbone and ptrumpets
It sounded good until I heard the brass saxophone at the end and then listened back. It sounds thin and quiet.
i personally feel like it lacks the depth of a brass instrument but its certainly not bad :)
I imagine this being great for especially children who want to start playing saxophone!
Thanks for the demo! It sounded surprisingly good!
One thing I'd be curious about is a comparison to a similarly priced brass tenor. One that might be more susceptible to dents, dings, pads going bad, or needing adjustments. My understanding is the pads on these are self leveling, and are easy to replace. Not to mention silicon will hold up for a while.
The polycarbonate horn sounded like if you had a low-pass filter and just barely turned down the cutoff
wow, there's such a huge difference. the plastic horn lacks the depth of the sax so much... though i have noticed so only after the comparison to the brass horn. nice video!
Looking to purchase one, but the link in the description says “page not found.” Any help?
The sound of polycarbonate is more focused and dark. It gives the kind of sound that can only be reached with hard reeds (thinking to the 5 that Parker does). The same for alto sax. I prefer that sound, good for studio. And pros can give the best of every kind of instruments ;-)
Where can I buy this
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Were you comparing it to an Eastman? If so, any chance of comparing it to a similarly priced brass sax and also compare the weight?
Nice. I wonder if there's a polycarbonate bari sax
Considering the price I don't know. To me it's all about the mouthpiece and the reed. I was able to pick up a Mark 7 in remarkable shape for $700 in a Pawn Shop in Napa Valley. They also had a beautiful silver Alto that I should have bought for $400. For the Tenor I bought a signature John Coltrane Mouthpiece, gold plated, for about $200 and I used a Synthetic reed, because the sound was close enough and I wouldn't always have to buy a box of reeds for one or two good ones. I grew to love that reed. Had to leave the horn with a friend when the economy collapsed back in 2008. Everything is so pricey these days, I'd probably spend money on the mouthpiece and settle for a Horn that's mechanically sound and playable.
Polycarbonate - I wouldn't call that plastic - is incredibly strong. On a daily basis, I have used bottles of polycarbonate for two decades now and once tried to hammer one into pieces. I did not succeed at that.
Does it "LIGHT UP"?
Have to say it sounds awesome that plastic thing
Brass it's just better, opens more sound posibilities and options, you can feel the personality of who's playing coming through on the brass, plastic sounds like it makes sound way too bland.
Clear sax is so cool
Thanks fot the video! What is the model of the brass tenor sax please?
you do not sell them though?
What is size of both
Is the Vibrato tenor lighter than the Selmer? If so, how much does it weigh.
Very good
I thought I should put my thoughts down on this matter, specifically for people who think the polycarbonate sax is "bland" and has "no personality" and thus sounds "bad". That is such a misguided way of thinking. The polycarbonate sax should be thought of like the different shades of a certain color. From what I can tell, the poly sax sounds more soft and muted, whereas the traditional brass sax has more projection and is noticably more brighter. That doesn't mean the poly sax sounds "bad", it just means the poly sax can be used for different purposes. Some songs may require a softer sax tone, which is what the poly sax does best.
How much is it?
I wonder if Mr Sax had invented the plastic sax if the review would have been different?
It might just be the fact Jim is great, but the plastic sax sounds better to me!
Let me know when the price is £200
Would it be a good idea to second on the vibrato tenor? Like have a brass alto and a plastic tenor? Is it worth the price difference.?
not worth it IMO, except for maybe the novelty of it. you can get much nicer used saxes in the same price range. e.g. a YTS-23.
GR thanks mate
Great sounding new horn I'd like to see the cost.
About $1,000 or 800 pounds
you should be aware that you really cannot compsare two sounds with different loudness: the louder sound will sound fuller than the more quiet.
More rich sound with bass saxophone
Not sure if pay that sort of money for one.
Plastic sax sounds good enough for digital streamers where audio compression takes place
But Brass-will sound way better in live
I'd totally pick one up, for like 200 bucks...
great video
Plastic sounds like what would you expect from saxophone. Really want plastic baritone so i could enjoy playing on it without breaking my spine
Plastic one sounds a little mellow than the brass one
The plastic sax was OK. If you didn't also hear the sound of a brass sax, the sound would be fine. To me it seems a good student sax especially for children.
But if I listen to the brass sax then the sound cannot compare. The sound of the brass sax is richer. I expect that the sound is also more versatile. more personal.
Just because something can be made of plastic does not mean is should be made.
Better than last time but still nope for me... Good for marching I guess?
Can it project farther than the brass? I dunno man. It's probably more resistant to wear and tear tho, and apparently can withstand water
You really sound like David Bowie
Lmao
About 10-12 000 Dollars, so when your done hand it to me you know you already have 8 of them #muchlove"England"
A creative invention. Looks good. But not first option of my purchase. Brass sax passes the test of time while this plastic invention yet to prove its durability.
An unfair comparison. Comparing it to a student sax might be better. It wasn't terrible, but it's not a real brass sax and it's certainly not a top pro model.
I'm a brass player so i know nothing
One talks the other sings.
If we are’n english we would prefer that you play more an talk less.