Nice documentary. I wish, however, that people would leave films "as is", rather than colouring up or re-sizing to fit 16:9 screens just to pander to the short attention-spans. We don't all need everything to "be modern" to appreciate them, especially when they were made for 4:3 black & white showing...
@@arbjful No worse than others and often not as bad. The one's that really annoy's are The Kiddies who think Britain was the only country to have an Empire ! The other is Britain invented slavery. They want to check out their Moslem pals amongst other's.
The biggest change of Britain was not it's face but it's sudden change of language from English to Urdu which caused the taxi drivers to get confused causing London bridge to fall down !!!!
It didn't take them long to make a mistake. Right at the start they state that Locomotion is next to a Gresley Pacific. WRONG. It's next to a NER Pacific, designed by Sir Vincent Raven.
Tried to identify the Victorian 2.2.2. locomotive in the arly part of this film but the nearest I could come up wiht is Charles Sacre's 1883 design for the Manchester and Sheffield and Licolnshire Railway
But it is local corruption and civil strife. Not that imposed by a colonial power, albeit that colonisation remains a factor. Angola’s history under Portuguese control was seldom peaceful or particularly beneficial for the local population either.
Right at the begining they show 'locomotion' the first loco used on a public railway next to a pacific loco described as a Gresley pacific ,it's actually a Raven pacific of the North eastern railway,a completely different design ! This is at best a poor pot boiler of a video 👎
My great grandfather, Charles Day, was an engineer on the Great Western Railway. He drove the trains from Bornmith to London from the 1860 to 1910. This movie really helped me understand what his job entailed. Thank you for uploading.
@@simontaylor2319 I would be e more concerned about saying that was an engineer but drove the trains. Engineer is American term for driver though the video seems to use engineer for what would be called fireman. Not to mention bornnmith only translates in google search Bournemouth which the GWR never went too. Local railway connected to the LSWR which became part of southern railway. So a very confused person.
@@simontaylor2319 Not only age is issue with their post but also the railway he mentioned doesn’t run where he said drove trains from and engineers don’t drive trains in UK. So lots of things mixed up by the poster. Not sure how you don’t understand that.
@@simontaylor2319 Going to respond another phrase that well known. Pot Kettle Black. You said my post was not understandable and irrelevant. I simply said I didn't understand that statement as in explaining my post and didn't understand why was difficult to understand. My reply didn't say anything yours didn't and if you find that insulting then you may not want to post that at other people in the first place. You said I don't understand you and the post is irrelevant, I replied with I don't understand you. Yet apparently I was not insulted but you were. Hence Pot Kettle Black. Also where did I actually disagree with your post about age being questionable, to have FINALLY AGREED with you. First section of original post "I would be more concerned about saying that was an engineer but drove the trains. Engineer is American term for driver though the video seems to use engineer for what would be called fireman." So where in there did I disagree with you about the age. Didn't mention anything about age but in quite simple English said that the poster had an engineer driving trains, which is not true in the UK but is the American term of driver, so possibly the poster is Amercian. Then pointed out that the video had used the term engineer to describe the fireman. So the poster has a person driving a train that wouldn't do so, though possibly is an American which could be why used engineer. So this is something ELSE that is questionable about the original post and is something that would be MORE concerned about not that the age was not something questionable Second Section: "Not to mention bornnmith only translates in google search Bournemouth which the GWR never went too. Local railway connected to the LSWR which became part of southern railway." The original poster said that drove trains from bornmith to paddington. As I said in that post Bornmith when put into google comes back with reference to Bournemouth (as Bornmith is not a place in the UK) which the Great Western which is where the original poster said drove trains from and who for never went too. Then added who the railway was that ran to Bournemouth. Again no disagreement about you questioning the age of the person in here. But is two other things questionable bits of information from the original poster. Third Section: "So a very confused person." So here not disagreeing with you about the age at all but confirming that the original poster must have quite a bit confused. So in fact am actually AGREEING with you that the poster must be wrong in their understanding. You questioned the age I added that as well would be questioning not only when but that was impossible to have driven trains from Bournemouth to Paddington for the Great Western as an engineer. So please explain to me where I ever disagreed with you around the age in the first place to then FINALLY AGREE in my second post. And no doubt you will be insulted by me pointing this out to you
My Great Great Grandfather gave up his job as a human bird scarer and became a navvy in the 1850s. He was a Chartist and had been to Improvement Classes, becoming literate. Never looked back. South Yorkshire Railway. Thanks GG👍The right move for all our family’s later generations.
"Pacific" is not a class, it is a wheel arrangement; 4-6-2 ...or on the Anerican axle arrangement; 2-3-1. A leading four-wheel bogie...six coupled driving wheels...and a trailing two-wheel pony-truck
Really interesting to see this film 80-odd years on but a pity about distorting the image at certain points so that it looks flattened, a trait of the 1990s when this film was rescued from oblivion (they were trying to fool us into thinking it was a wide screen image). Fortunately DD and others saved many films of all sorts from such oblivion and thank goodness that they did or we'd likely never have had the chance to see this time capsule. Fascinating stuff!
That locomotive testing plant, supposedly built by the Great Western Railway, was not at Swindon, and indeed was not anywhere in the United Kingdom. Almost certainly in the USA.
@@mjhartleburyI think you'll find that was how I recorded it. I had to use my capture card to capture this, dunno why it comes out in this aspect ratio
It is a most elegant looking locomotive. It usually resides in 'Locomotion' at Shildon. I see that it is currently on loan to the Buckingham Railway Centre at Quainton. Both places are musts, if you are a railfan!
i found this online and i noticed that it hadn't been uploaded to here. no idea where it originally came from
Where did you find it?
Amazing film. I could watch these black and white films all day. Great stuff 👏
Enjoyed very much. The section of southern African rail development was priceless, and I am surprised the narrator didn’t choke on his plum.😊
brilliant.
It did suit the content, which was all about good old blighty exploiting HER (?) resources what ho old bean.
Is it mr. Cholmondeley- Warner?
Nice documentary. I wish, however, that people would leave films "as is", rather than colouring up or re-sizing to fit 16:9 screens just to pander to the short attention-spans. We don't all need everything to "be modern" to appreciate them, especially when they were made for 4:3 black & white showing...
The Pacific standing next to Locomotion at the beginning of this film was designed by Vincent Raven and not Gresley !!
Correct. Designed by Raven for the NER, became LNER Class A2.
Also the Kings were designed by Collett not Churchward.
The Mail exchange apparatus stayed in service until 1971, the last drop being at Penrith, 18 miles south of Carlisle on Oct 4th.
Excellent, thank you for showing this
I see someone discovered the upload of this from my Internet Archives page
The first 'hump' ie gravity shunting yard in the UK opened at Wath-on-Dearne in 1908
Engineer? I think you must mean 'The Fireman'.
Wish I could fly a drone like you !! Keep up the good work.
And nice tunes
I love the old movies of the High Level and Tyne Bridge. Newcastle... my old stamping ground!
Should be compulsory viewing for the current educational establishments that think everything Britain did was bad
Not everything, but many things were bad
@@arbjful yes some places were still eating each other
@@vincentswift7 we don’t have to go far, people here made money out of slavery.
Well said but I don't think you understand that slavery in the UK is alive and well.
@@arbjful No worse than others and often not as bad. The one's that really annoy's are The Kiddies who think Britain was the only country to have an Empire ! The other is Britain invented slavery. They want to check out their Moslem pals amongst other's.
Sorry but you're wrong I'm afraid, that is a Sir Vincent Raven pacific not a Gresley one.
2401 City of Kingston upon Hull
Ahoy there Captain, only five of this class were built.
@@jodypitt3629 Great looking locos, but I dont Nigel Gresley was very impressed!
Amazing video, thanks for posting 👍
The biggest change of Britain was not it's face but it's sudden change of language from English to Urdu which caused the taxi drivers to get confused causing London bridge to fall down !!!!
12:20 It was C.B Collett who designed the King Class loco not G.J Churchward.
Shame they didn't make concrete sleepers earlier - lasted longer & fewer trees felled. Fascinating film - 20s 30s?
It didn't take them long to make a mistake. Right at the start they state that Locomotion is next to a Gresley Pacific. WRONG. It's next to a NER Pacific, designed by Sir Vincent Raven.
The locomotive is by Sir Vincent Raven not Nigel Gresley.
Tried to identify the Victorian 2.2.2. locomotive in the arly part of this film but the nearest I could come up wiht is Charles Sacre's 1883 design for the Manchester and Sheffield and Licolnshire Railway
That's Cornwall, LNWR No. 3020.
Lincoln had a big workshop for coach building and repairs the building is still there but no more work is done there
Angola has went back the way since this film was made.
Ravaged by civil war and now corrupt beyond comprehension.
But it is local corruption and civil strife. Not that imposed by a colonial power, albeit that colonisation remains a factor. Angola’s history under Portuguese control was seldom peaceful or particularly beneficial for the local population either.
From 1994?
Where are all the coloured peoplewho 'new history' says have been here all along.
The what?
Right at the begining they show 'locomotion' the first loco used on a public railway next to a pacific loco described as a Gresley pacific ,it's actually a Raven pacific of the North eastern railway,a completely different design ! This is at best a poor pot boiler of a video 👎
lovely film -- but not on widescreen - needs to be 4/3
The altered from the original aspect ratio makes for some improbable shapes.
Very interesting film on the various aspects of railway work. Everyone worked hard at their job. Enjoyed watching it. 😊
My great grandfather, Charles Day, was an engineer on the Great Western Railway. He drove the trains from Bornmith to London from the 1860 to 1910. This movie really helped me understand what his job entailed. Thank you for uploading.
@@simontaylor2319 I would be e more concerned about saying that was an engineer but drove the trains. Engineer is American term for driver though the video seems to use engineer for what would be called fireman. Not to mention bornnmith only translates in google search Bournemouth which the GWR never went too. Local railway connected to the LSWR which became part of southern railway. So a very confused person.
@@simontaylor2319 Not only age is issue with their post but also the railway he mentioned doesn’t run where he said drove trains from and engineers don’t drive trains in UK. So lots of things mixed up by the poster. Not sure how you don’t understand that.
Having finally agrred with my point, you then insult me in your final sentence....it beggars belief!!!!!!! In the words of Groucho Marx "Skip it"
@@simontaylor2319 Going to respond another phrase that well known. Pot Kettle Black.
You said my post was not understandable and irrelevant.
I simply said I didn't understand that statement as in explaining my post and didn't understand why was difficult to understand. My reply didn't say anything yours didn't and if you find that insulting then you may not want to post that at other people in the first place.
You said I don't understand you and the post is irrelevant, I replied with I don't understand you. Yet apparently I was not insulted but you were. Hence Pot Kettle Black.
Also where did I actually disagree with your post about age being questionable, to have FINALLY AGREED with you.
First section of original post
"I would be more concerned about saying that was an engineer but drove the trains. Engineer is American term for driver though the video seems to use engineer for what would be called fireman."
So where in there did I disagree with you about the age. Didn't mention anything about age but in quite simple English said that the poster had an engineer driving trains, which is not true in the UK but is the American term of driver, so possibly the poster is Amercian. Then pointed out that the video had used the term engineer to describe the fireman. So the poster has a person driving a train that wouldn't do so, though possibly is an American which could be why used engineer. So this is something ELSE that is questionable about the original post and is something that would be MORE concerned about not that the age was not something questionable
Second Section:
"Not to mention bornnmith only translates in google search Bournemouth which the GWR never went too. Local railway connected to the LSWR which became part of southern railway."
The original poster said that drove trains from bornmith to paddington. As I said in that post Bornmith when put into google comes back with reference to Bournemouth (as Bornmith is not a place in the UK) which the Great Western which is where the original poster said drove trains from and who for never went too. Then added who the railway was that ran to Bournemouth.
Again no disagreement about you questioning the age of the person in here.
But is two other things questionable bits of information from the original poster.
Third Section:
"So a very confused person."
So here not disagreeing with you about the age at all but confirming that the original poster must have quite a bit confused. So in fact am actually AGREEING with you that the poster must be wrong in their understanding.
You questioned the age
I added that as well would be questioning not only when but that was impossible to have driven trains from Bournemouth to Paddington for the Great Western as an engineer.
So please explain to me where I ever disagreed with you around the age in the first place to then FINALLY AGREE in my second post.
And no doubt you will be insulted by me pointing this out to you
My Great Great Grandfather gave up his job as a human bird scarer and became a navvy in the 1850s. He was a Chartist and had been to Improvement Classes, becoming literate. Never looked back. South Yorkshire Railway. Thanks GG👍The right move for all our family’s later generations.
"Pacific" is not a class, it is a wheel arrangement; 4-6-2 ...or on the Anerican axle arrangement; 2-3-1. A leading four-wheel bogie...six coupled driving wheels...and a trailing two-wheel pony-truck
Great stuff, thanks very much for making this available.
A fine account of a time when The Working Class was less The Worked Class.
Really interesting to see this film 80-odd years on but a pity about distorting the image at certain points so that it looks flattened, a trait of the 1990s when this film was rescued from oblivion (they were trying to fool us into thinking it was a wide screen image). Fortunately DD and others saved many films of all sorts from such oblivion and thank goodness that they did or we'd likely never have had the chance to see this time capsule. Fascinating stuff!
Excellent doco, loved it....more please
That locomotive testing plant, supposedly built by the Great Western Railway, was not at Swindon, and indeed was not anywhere in the United Kingdom. Almost certainly in the USA.
I’ve read a comment by a driver or fireman that mechanically steam locos were very largely mechanically sound, though filthy.
Presumably a replica on the front - even though it`s connecting rods have been detached.
Hold on IS THAT THE FRICKING LNER A2 RAVEN PACIFIC!!! 2:01
Unwatchable in this stretched-screen format.
this is how i found this file
@@mjhartleburyI think you'll find that was how I recorded it. I had to use my capture card to capture this, dunno why it comes out in this aspect ratio
I didn`t find any problem.
What is the Locomotive pushing the Rocket at about 3.43 ?
LNWR 2-2-2 'Cornwall' designed by Francis Trevithick at Crewe, and later heavily rebuilt.
It is a most elegant looking locomotive. It usually resides in 'Locomotion' at Shildon. I see that it is currently on loan to the Buckingham Railway Centre at Quainton. Both places are musts, if you are a railfan!