Erinn Andrews, Former Stanford Admissions Officer, Video Case Study #2
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All getting elected into student government means at my school is that you're popular. Nothing more....
+Sam Avion lmao mess
Sometimes being popular means being successful, so that is not an irony, is it?
+Aviion
My school president was impeached for giving out free prom tickets.
being popular means quite a lot
Same, in my school they get elected because they know the most people or because they are physically attractive
The college admissions process is so dehumanizing...
Your nothing than a number to colleges
Not to colleges like stanford
Shana Vaid yup... you could probably get into Stanford with a 3.8 UW GPA and above average extra curriculars with amazing essays
Alyssa Schultz when you type "your" instead of "you're", you know you will never get into these schools.
Shana Vaid bitch no1 cares where you got accepted everyone is getting the same piece of paper after four years
When she said maybe the student should have gone to Germany to do stuff, I got so irritated. Most people don’t have the time or the money to do stuff like that! It’s obvious the person tried hard to make themselves stand out, even without a trip that costs thousands of dollars!
Rachel P IKR! Like during the summer, I have to work more to save up for college, I do not have the time nor the money to fly myself to Germany. This is bs.
It clearly represents the type of student that will attend the school though, which I don't see myself collaborating with tbh
Some people are more privileged than others and can totally afford to go to Germany :).
There are major programs in the US that help high school students study abroad. I attend a very low income school and yet there have been students flying to Europe and Central America as well as students attending expensive summer precollege programs nearly for free, including myself. Also, these opportunities were not offered by my school.
I say this because this is Stanford, incredibly competitive and I assume they want to have students that at least have a general idea in what they’re interested in and actually pursued those interest in high school.
IKR! “Well he could have gone to Germany for the summer and done an environmental program” is basically admitting you would have given preference to someone w/ a ton of money.
This is awful... "maybe he should go to Germany" well not everyone can afford to go to Germany woman.... like wtf
Emma Johnson if he’s applying for Stanford he’s got to have some money😂
but it'll help you to learn the language better, and the accent too.
Arne Noori totally wrong
I think she meant the student should go to Germany for translation at/after college. She's trying determine what he would do on campus.
She should make me a sammich
im doomed.
+marisa noelle I share your sentiment.
This is the most dehumanizing shit ever. They literally look at amazing accomplishments then say that's amazingly impressive but he didn't do this
"He taught himself German that's incredible...it's too bad though cus he didn't GO to Germany so sorry lol"
RockOn the Ivies and the like want a "well-rounded class" so theyre looking at specific students.
LandInbetween Actually THEY don't want a a well rounded student because those students may be a jack of all trades but is a master of none. They want a well rounded class not students.
It appears dehumanizing... but colleges are tasked to compare your application against 100s of others.
“oh no i didnt get into the college of my dreams” boo frickin hoo
There IS a reason the title says she is a, "Former Standord Admissions Officer"
Yes, the reason is that in 2020, no one works at the same job forever. No Admissions Officer stays for more than 10 years.
College admissions is a joke. We judge by the amount of extracurriculars and test scores. Many of those kids dont even have a true passion. "So whats your major?""Showing off is my major"
holy shit I wrote about how having genuine passion in my UC app
Chad F This is without the essay as a background. A heavy vomponent to the common app and other essays is how your passion guided you to the right choices and AP courses in highschool and if you show them how you're going to make yourself successful with your love of the topic then boom you are set.
chrisnyc1 that’s what the essays are for right?
BRO SAME, some kids do some gay music shit and invest all their time time into sports. Hmmm ok, what’s ur major? ...”O I️ want to be an engineer”... ur joking right...
Andrew Lee IKR 95% of the students dont do ecs bc they want to. They do just to go to college
"Go to Germany for the summer and do something with the environment?" WHAT!
What if the kid comes from a low income bracket. The arrogance.
Agree 100%. If she was an admissions officer at Stanford this makes me ill.
The point is that they know his family income and background, as you have to submit that with an application, so they can make judgements like that correctly.
Even if they know his family income and their not poor his family is probably saving money because they know their son will go to a good college
I’m also broke but I’m severely interested Korean culture so I SEARCHED for a way to study abroad for free and found one. what she doesn’t realize is for the student German is a hobby. I want my languages to be a skill she probably assumes he wants it to be a skill also but HE probably doesn’t. He probably just really likes Germany. You so are right why spend money on a hobby 🤔
Anyone else now scared shitless that this is the kind of person you have to go up against in applying? Also, I sense that there is some serious resume padding here. "Taught himself German"? Probably watched The Sound of Music and now considers himself fluent.
I watched saving Private Ryan so I classify myself as a war hero, such bs
@@hyperion6218 i mean tbf he could literally just be using books
This video makes me want to cry. It shows how disconnected admission officer from the reality. "Maybe go to Germany and do something with the environment." Some people don't have money to go on vacation at all or pay for SAT prep courses! And in California this situation can easily occur with the family income higher than 100K
"What's he doing outside of classroom?" Ummm... sleeping?
lol student body pres/vp is a joke…
thebigtortuga president it is but being a vp, secretary, treasurer, and public relations is a whole chunk of work load we have a huge school with over 3,000 students so it's not a joke but probably in most schools it is
Right. You only get voted if your popular
Marilyn Natalí Sandoval For us all positions are voted in by the students so it’s basically a popularity contest, so it shouldn’t count for anything. We have over 2000 students and I acknowledge that they do work but they still don’t earn their position really
Everyone is saying that this fake. You guys have no idea how much we go through for college
+1, I agree my friend..
While I do appreciate the effort students exert to get into competitive colleges, I do have to ask why. As a college admission counselor, I tell students to be themselves and don't arbitrarily stack up on activities or whatever in order to impress some name brand university. Do what you like, not what you think some school wants. And if ultimately, you don't get into Stanford, that's okay. If you do your college research carefully, you'll end up at a place even better.
ahardesty13 especially an Ivy League school like Stanford
Wolf Rival oh dang I thought it was oops thanks for the info
Jenna Plank Ivy Leagues are only in the northeast.
She wants him to do more stuff? After she just said he does way too much? I'm confused?
She wanted him to do stuff with a theme, nothing connected.
Desirae Downing all his ecs's are unrelated. showing that he probably just did them all to look good on his application, not because he was actually really into them. many kids make this mistake because they don't realize that the admissions team is looking for one or two ecs that extend into further depth, rather than 30 random activities that look good.
@@PoojaG2010 while i do see that point and understand it
I do think its unfair for universities to expect this out of their students in their TEENS
It like they are casting roles and if you have too broad of an application even though it kicks ass, they won’t let you in because you don’t specialize in one thing thus you won’t fit a specific role
I would see how this makes sense for grad school, but i think its unfair on high schoolers that are getting to know themselves
@@priscilamorales6997 I understand what you're saying but this is the case for one of the best universities in the entire world. If they don't hold this level of expectations, then anyone would be able to get into the best. In terms of a general state university like UFlorida or UMichigan, this would definitely be more than enough to get in so I don't think it's fair to generalize "universities" from a video meant for Stanford applicants.
Umich is a public Ivy tho, I’m pretty sure it’s really difficult to get in.
Wow. I'm was thinking of applying for Stanford cause, to be honest, my grades are really good but omg it takes that much. I expected it to be challenging however when I saw this I was stunned....the guy taught himself German. ` Go to Germany". For real who can afford to go to Germany just to have a better chance of getting into a university.
did you guys get in
Shana Vaid those are very good schools which one are you going to?
Shana Vaid Do you have any tips? I genuinely dream of getting into Dartmouth but I think they'd throw out my application as soon as they go over it.
I went to Germany and published a case study last year with college students when I was 15 years old - I’m also very low income but guess what: I fundraised and got scholarships. There’s always a way to do it, just use your resources.
My godmother worked in a lab at Stanford for 30 years. She told me on her deathbed that she had offered to my dad to get us 3 kids in for free and no application (employee benefit). She made that offer first for my brother in 1970 right before the tech boom took off. Dad refused because he wanted to keep us on the farm. She kept her tongue all those years.
is lady ok this boy had a 35 but was criticized for only taking 3 AP's even though he got 5's in all of them?
thats only the tests he took too, he couldve taken more AP classes but only 3 tests
Besides, AP tests are expensive these days. Nearly $100 per test. Not everybody could afford that.
ThrtLvlJuke no I think those are all the APs he took... Tests are just ways to gauge college credits you don't need to send scores in
People have to remember this is Stanford- however the 35 is amazing
You don't know how competitive these universities are...
Oh my, whatever happened to letting kids be kids. And I highly doubt this woman's own profile as a high schooler was anywhere near those whom she is passing judgment on.
P.S. M But she is a college admissions officer- it's her job.
+Norah Borus Exactly, that doesn't matter.
I always love it when people post this stuff, it's her job to be tough!
Stanford gets 30,000 - 40,000 well qualified applicants a year. And they accept around 2,000 - 3,000 of those students per year because of space limitations. With the increasing nation population, you have to be better and better as a student. She probably didn't have to study as much because the application pool was far smaller.
P.S. M well high school determines what type of person you'll be when you grow up
This is Stanford, one of the most prestigious universities in the world, they look for the best of the best.
"It's next to impossible to be able to do these things" meaning the things colleges require?? Because students go through a ton of shit to live up to the standards of colleges and when they do it's "suspicious"??because they managed??
Don't be surprised. These are the exact same college admissions officers who claim that they want someone who stands apart away from the majority of applicants, yet also claim at the same time that they don't want an applicant who appears strange which most of the extremely highly successful people of all time were first considered strange at some point in their childhoods.
A kid will be perfect and they will reject them because he did too much but then another kid will get in even though he did nothing compared to the other kid
This man had amazing grades and test scores and he was still being looked down on. Now I know why college admissions are stupid. Don't get me wrong I got in but when looking at his grades and stuff it's ridiculous to even rule him out
The problem is though, there are 1000’s of students in the US who are in the same boat as this student. Ivy Leagues(especially the higher ranking Ivies) tend to want to find what makes the student unique to those 1000’s of students, which is why she hesitated.
OneTrue Hitman Stanford isn’t Ivy...
@@Xlebaking Although Stanford isn't technically part of the Ivy League, it is considered as an extremely competitive top school, so the competition is pretty similar to the Ivies.
It’s incredible how these student profiles were impeccable and yet she still found problems. What did she do when applying for college? Did she surpass case 2 in excellence? I find that hard to believe- wish they would remember these kids are only 17.
I wish I had someone to push me hard when I was in high school. These schools have the correct mindset. They mold the highest productive members in our society and they don’t have time to groom a mundane applicant. If the student doesn’t exemplify this, don’t apply to top schools. Everyone isn’t intended to be at that level of academia. Also, excellence is subjective to your own person. Excellence from the school’s perspective is according to the criteria set by that school.
This is so stressful to watch...
Lol a 35 is one point from a perfect score
TheAppleworker but the SAT score is even better. XD xD xD xD xD xD !!!!!!!!! Wtf
Edison Tenecela Because it is. You can still get more than a few problems wrong and end up with a 35 you know
Ham Foodstamp but the number of incorrect answers for a 35 would roughly translate to a similar score on the SAT that he earned. Go look at any SAT to ACT conversion chart and you'll see a 2360 translates to a 35.
xPhobophobia look at percentiles though. 2360 is more rare
go to germany and do something related to the environment? Is this for real..
It's pleasing to know you're a former admissions officer
Are you insane. You're looking at a star right there. He's absolutely brilliant, and a social leader as well. A little light on AP? Chances are, he only gave you the 5s.
This woman: “The student can’t possibly do all these extracurriculars. I need to give their guidance counsellor a call to see if it’s all true.”
Also this woman: “I want to see him do something for the environment in Germany.”
ya she is the worst
People seem to think this is outrageous but this is just the state of college admissions today-especially for Stanford (whose admissions standards are either basically unachievable, heavily biased towards athletes, or completely random/based on characteristics not under your control like race and gender). I go to a school that is part of a state university (we take purely college courses for our junior and senior years of high school), where the student population (86% indian and asian) scores the highest on average on the SAT and ACT in the nation (we also have the most national merit finalists per capita), many students publish papers for scientific research they do in university labs, and everyone is heavily involved in leadership positions of traditional clubs and community service opportunities (many students earn over 300 hours over the two years of the program). Despite all of this, we only get about 2 Stanford acceptances per year out of the over 50 students (~170 students per grade) that apply each year. It’s simply no longer even a logical evaluation process beyond recruiting olympic and D1 athletes.
This genuinely makes me want to cry
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but how about if your school is incredibly hard and everyone is geniuses? if you compare me with the other people in my school, my chances of getting in are so slim
bruh same
Oh please - how many kids do you know that have the money, support, resources or time to just go off to Germany to explore their passion??
jo ratner preach. they're going to college to eventually be able to do this stuff. if they had that kind of money they wouldn't even have to attend xD
@@hayesleo6043 The arrogance. My school offered "cheap" class trips to European countries. It was like $2500. No thanks.
Lol "impressive leadership and participation in extra curricular but nothing here really stands out"
since when is 3 ap classes "light"...
? Are u kidding me 3 APs is a joke, I took 5 in just one year - will have over 10 by end of high school
+MopTopRock congrats, you either are just naturally gifted or have an easy AP curriculum. No on I know has ever said taking 3 APs is nothing.
+MopTopRock congrats, you either are just naturally gifted or have an easy AP curriculum. No on I know has ever said taking 3 APs is nothing.
Neither, I work my ass off just like many ohter kids at my school - and I wouldnt consider any of APs "easy" especially (BC calc, Comp gov, Physics C, Bio, Lit)
MopTopRock I meant as in your school might just be so easy that the APs aren't as hard. That's what happened at my old school. the normal classes I take at my current school are harder than my APs there.
that's just kissing up to college admission..
I would too
This is ridiculous, but this is Stanford.
At the end of the day, present the best version of yourselves to colleges. Strive to be authentic and work hard in and out of the classroom. I only have a 3.4 (89.09) GPA and got into the colleges of my choice. Make sure the schools you apply too are the right fit for you.
2:57 "This student is academically competitive...." WTF does that mean? Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Especially when there's grade inflation all over the place, teachers play favorites, and cheating is rampant, yes, all this, even at the high school level. Back when I went to college in 1981, it felt as though getting into the best college made sense. I'm 53 years old now. Newsflash: If you don't have either rich, connected parents, and/or some kind of weird, special skill (e.g. you're an athletic superstar), you have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting into a top-tier college, and even then, connections matter more than good grades. People should stop wasting money on college degrees that do nothing more than put money into the pockets of colleges and universities.
John Karavitis Preach. God bless this comment.
+John Karavitis
Glad that there are some people out there who truly question the grade inflation in our current incredibly flawed grading system.
preach!
Thank you for this video. I found this very helpful since I've always wanted to see how an Ivy Admission officer works thank you
People understand that the guy doesn’t really have something that shows passion in a particular area. Everyone is mad about how she said the student should’ve gone to Germany but she just lists an example to stack upon the one thing she thought made him standout. She just wants the student to have ECs that come together and paint a picture of interest
college admission officers: SORRY you seem to have too much going on, THAT’S SUSPICIOUS
I mean... yeah it would be. I'm not sure about you but being a president of a club takes a veRY long time out of your day and to create as well as be the president of 6+ clubs would be impossible for your average high schooler to complete unless they just didn't have a sleep schedule or a social life. If you found a person who claimed to have travelled to every single nation in the world at age 40 I bet you'd be highly suspicious of that as it'd be very difficult to visit every single nation at that age unless you lied.
I was a 3.1 late bloomer with 1800 SAT. Played varsity football and Model UN...also was on the swim team freshman year (gave that up for football). I took one AP course and took two extra exams. Had to plead w/guidance and my teachers to let me in some honors classes. The end result....I ended going to a university ranked highly in International Relations....#9 in the nation. My peers were stunned since I'm Asian.
It's all about the quality of the application. There's some sort of randomness in the process too.
My right ear really enjoyed that analysis
Abdallah Mefleh my left ear enjoyed putting it out
This is great insight. A lot of students think that joining a bunch of clubs will make their application standout in a positive way, when sometimes it can actually raise a red flag as you mentioned.
There is no way they spend so much time on each application - it is touch and go.
president of 4 clubs? what
I’m not trying to offend anyone, but the going to Germany thing was just a suggestion. She said she’d look further into the file and the school’s opportunities. The application process doesn’t judge by income. There are programs and scholarships that could help him get to Germany and prove himself a standout; The type she’d want to see at a prestigious school like Stanford.
Goodness, this is so harsh. Nobody is perfect and all I hI at is that she wants perfection. And he’s in high school, he’s still looking to find what he wants to do. He’s obviously exploring, or had multiple interests so why are you judging him for that?
So what I'm gathering is that if I'm really introverted and have very little experience in EC activities and have never taken any AP classes but I have amazing test scores/gpa, I'm still screwed. Nice. 😨
Juan Perez You're right. Still, its a little scary that someone like me could be denied admission to college just because I'm really shy and pretty busy on school days.
ECs really are to show how u spend ur time. If you're "pretty busy on school days" then consider putting down what you do, whether it be family responsibilities, a job, etc.
Watching this, I definitely know if I don’t try I’m nowhere near to Stanford.
3 APs are light?! At my high school, we have to wait till junior year for AP classes and I don’t think there’s any way I can do more than 4 APs. I also don’t want to do to many AP classes that I’m not interested in and at my school there aren’t too many appealing AP classes. There’s no way I’m getting into Stanford or any Ivy League school
Same with my school. It sucks. We basically go from honors courses that are way too easy to AP courses that we have had no preparation for and the teachers don't teach them very well. Fortunately, they're starting to add more AP's and pre-AP's that you can take earlier on in high school so you can have more prep for harder classes and aren't going from all honors and 0 AP to all AP in one year. But, my class and previous classes have really been screwed over because of it. Trust me when I say that going from 0 AP classes to 4 AP classes in one year is really hard. Especially when the teacher's don't do a good job teaching and you have to teach yourself.
This video makes me sick. It is a shame that students are treated like "CASES" and not human beings. I don't care if they get tons of applications. You hold someones future in your hands and you act like it is a walk in the park by criticizing every detail. You also must ask yourself, if I have to put this much work into getting into a school, is it going to be worth my time and effort to get the degree? Employers do not care what college you went to or what grades you got. A degree is simply a ticket to work. Unless you want to be a doctor or some scientist, do not waste your time on trying to get into a prestige college. It will mean nothing to an employer.
lol someone's justifying their low achievement in school...
This is so true
Are they counting the Senior classes or just Junior and below?
Christopher McKeithen well the video was made with 'cases' so they don't show the identity of the real person and get a possible law suit over it. This is not how all colleges look at applications, many colleges do it differently.
+Christopher McKeithen
It depends on the employers. Almost zero employers will even consider for one millisecond of accepting your degree from an infamous for-profit degree mill. There are also extremely few employers who only hire graduates from Ivy League universities. Either way, in most cases, I extremely highly recommend for students to apply to an in-state university for their undergraduate years only if they're planning to major in something that cannot be easily self-taught on their own without college or if they're in desperate need of that fancy piece of paper.
The idea that they want you to develop a theme just for the sake of college admissions so that they get a well-rounded class full of “spikey” kids, and that kids actually have to do that and artificially shape their high school lives and act passionate about things they don’t really care bout or enjoy, is really sad. Showing passion in various fields isn’t a bad thing it should be treated positively by admissions; after all college is the place where you find yourself and get clarity. Not everyone has just one amazing thing to offer in life.
*sigh* I feel like college admissions don’t realize these people are human too
cuz we all have so much money to travel to Germany, releasea ton of carbon into the air so we can focus on the environment!
Honestly the kind of expectations imposed on literal 15 year olds are absurd
My left ear loved this video!
my left ear loved this video
And people pay insane amounts of money to get into schools with the most superficial guidelines for application. What has happened to high education? It's a shell game, now! They want your money! They don't give a shit about /you/!
My school offered 1 AP, was their first year giving AP's and I took it. My school also doesn't have a guidance counselor. outside of the classroom- lol, I went to a school where I had to be there until 6:10 and I also had school on Sundays, These are reasons I have a problem with getting into a good school-lack of resources. Also, has a story that is published that doesn't stand out, I could make a school newspaper and publish a story and I'd have a published story. What does stand out is he taught himself German and is in the Latin club he is interested in Languages/Heritage/Culture; go to Germany to help out the environment-- so you want to see if the student('s parents) has money to go to Germany and are wealthy and see if you could get a portion of that. School, unfortunately, is not a place of education, rather, these schools are businesses!
Thanks for the video!
can someone tell me the links for case study 1,3??
th-cam.com/video/mSRxfV5aphw/w-d-xo.html - Case 1
th-cam.com/video/oy30oJ3BvqY/w-d-xo.html -Case 3
th-cam.com/video/yzQgnHi5cnA/w-d-xo.html -Case 4
th-cam.com/video/fhZXsasuI9M/w-d-xo.html -Case 5
th-cam.com/video/81Mb1n-hYK4/w-d-xo.html -Case 6
@@gabydiaz9986 They're all private videos
Is there any way I can access a public version? Because I do not have access for the private ones
this is a highly biased process....why don't they just save their efforts and put all potential candidates name in a bowl and draw a ball/paper/label?
Do something in Germany?! Nobody got money for that :/
Everyone listening with their right ear bud:👁👄👁
What? A B or two? If you have an 3.85 you had to have gotten ~1 B every semester, that's 8 Bs across the whole HS education, more likely 10 with online classes and DE.
Nicholas Pipitone A- is a thing
I'm thinking after a unbiased consideration 5's across the board are the most rigorous academic schedule that he can handle . not on your level for sure but running you in a parrelell universe to the 10th power.
Remember: Zack Morris got into Yale solely on his perfect SAT score
Please upload those videos again
To put y’all’s mind at ease: if a school admits you, they want. If they don’t want you, they will deny you. Why would you wanna go to school that does not want you back? At if you get waitlisted, don’t count in them to forgive out like that. Just think of it as a relationship 😭😭
wise man
she said a "couple of years" for Latin club, but it was all 4 years
Holy crap, this guy seems like a legend . can anyone critique my stats? They include..
-4.1 weighted GPA
-1470/1600 SAT score
- part of Computer programming/ gaming club
-20 hours of community and service
-Taught 8th graders in a programming convention
-had an unpaid internship at a university helping make databases for student attendance
- taken 10 AP classes so far
- am of middle-eastern/caucasian descent
-male in a Public school
Are you sure the 4.1 is unweighted? did you count the ap classes
Emmarellda1 I meant weighted. I obviously not unweighted. The max is 4.0
Zishawn Malik oh sorry i didnt read correctly. I was so confused 😆
Emmarellda1 its cool. Everyone makes mistakes
I’d say u probably have a good chance but be careful and pray that u apply to the right schools for u
hello I'm really late but what would you want when looking at applications? like how many ap classes, sat score, act score, community service hours, extra curricular activities? thanks
My left ear loved it
If y’all think their gonna be impressed by high SATs/act/ap scores you guys are kidding yourselves...they get AMAZING students applying every year so they get hundreds of applicants with perfect scores and incredible achievements. If they’re not tough on the applications they won’t be able to filter people out. Js🤷🏻♀️
This is excellent.
Hi Erinn; It seemed the sound is not working. Can you please fix or reload? Thanks!
I visited the website in the description, but I could not find the other case studies there. Could someone please send me the link to the other case studies?
where is the first one?
Listen here, this video was from 2011. That says a lot because a lot can change in 6 years. Everyone says its dehumanizing, yes sure but the standards now a days are way different. Now they don't look at hoagie much you can stuff into your extracurricular 'profile' they look at how much extracurricular you do ACCORDING to what you like to do; which says a lot. That being said, standards are way different now and this video is outdated. Period.
She’s got such an attitude with this.
Dry and emotionless. And how can a perhaps lower income public school kido a "neat thing" like just go over to Germany to bolster his interests and help a "theme" come through with his application? How elitist. Only affluent kids will pass the bar with this gal.
Y’all be doing the most
i’m so fucked omg
Jesus…I never knew the hurdles I jumped through just to get into college.
I heard colleges dont look at AP test scores for admissions??
How does student body position say a lot? All you have to do is be popular to get those positions?
Wait what if u like 2 things so there are 2 themes coming out such as science and performance?
I thought she was Erin Andrews and I thought - now this will be interesting
Online. Click on the link below the video, in the description you will find the other videos. But you have to pay for them first.
How would this work with an IB student?
Praying to god I get into that’s right for me & see me for who I am
I wanna know what they think about IB Diploma Candidates, bc its not too common and its in general much more intense especially if going to a well known, prestigious ib school
Elizabeth Gatz yeah I’m wondering the same thing
I know it's a bit late and you're most likely already a college graduate but it was recently discovered what IB is like:
A lot of colleges are heavily bipolar in how they treat IB but the best way to describe IB's relationship to AP is:
AP Gives you a lot of college credit but doesn't substantially improve your chances of getting into a college
IB Gives you next to 0 college credit, but your chances of getting to a prestigious university skyrocket.
Generally, for most people attempting to make it into a prestigious university I would suggest getting into IB Diploma as the amount of money you'd save from taking AP classes would be offset from the scholarships and financial aid that the schools are most likely going to give you. However, if you don't have plans on getting into a highly prestigious school and are content with a good/great school (i.e school's under the top 100) then take AP classes as the chances of you getting financial aid are lowered and if you take enough AP classes it'll offset any benefits from IB at this level of schools.
Well I'm actually screwed because I transferred from a charter school where honors classes were not offered to a public school with inflated GPAs
Would case#2 get into Stanford?
I wanna See The Video For Case #1 ... Is It Available?
I just realized this is 8 years ago...
a 3.85 Unweighted probably means he had 5 B's
Why do I only hear the video from my left earbud. I already tested another video to see if my earbuds were the problem, my earbuds are fine it's the video.
A lot of people are taking this video the wrong way when she says that this student who does all of these ECs doesn’t stand out, but I honestly feel like she touches on a lot of correct points. This student’s profile definitely looks like a “I will do all of this stuff because I believe this is what colleges wanna see.”
Yes, colleges want a student body capable of filling all of these roles, but THEY DO NOT WANT ONE STUDENT FILLING ALL OF THESE ROLES. They want a well rounded class, not a bunch of well rounded people because the latter can’t contribute to the campus like a bunch of specialized kids can.
You gotta ask yourself what this guy will do to contribute on campus that others might not be able to do and I don’t see it with this profile. You just gotta be really really good at one or two things so you can stand out, and not just pretty good at everything because that can rub people the wrong way since admissions officers will see right through you.
Simply having a list of accomplishments does not give admissions officers sufficient information to "see through" a student. There's no way that the only thing he wrote in his essay is that he taught himself German and wrote a short story without elaborating on either of those achievements. She reduced his application to a list, and then complained about it being a list. It's ridiculous.
Yeah obviously essays matter but a lot of people think that just joining a bunch of clubs is the way to get into college and this video debunks that. She did say that we would want to see context within his essays but when looking at ECs it’s totally understandable that someone with that slate seemingly lacks direction
Do they really grade me from a bunch of students from my HS that applied to that school? That makes me feel a tiny bit better.
It’s 2:22am...why am I here
Doing all of those clubs is near impossible?
I'm in 6 clubs, I'm student body treasurer, and an officer of 3 of those 6 clubs.
...oops?
Not the president? LOL.
While I'm just a senior in hs, so I'm by no means an expert in the admission process, I believe that the feasibility of doing 6 clubs would depend on (1) how impressive these 6 clubs are, and (2) how related those clubs are. For example, the "Harry Potter Club" is probably less of a time commitment than say, debate or a sports team. In addition, having 6 clubs that are for the most part all related to biology or language or dance or whatever is a lot more plausible and impressive than having them in completely unrelated topics (like the student in the video). It's a lot more believable that a person would be interested in one given subject, and thus have an office in 3 clubs related to that subject, than a person be an officer in three highly unrelated and very difficult clubs. Focusing on one subject/activity also shows more focus, and implies a genuine passion and interest rather than the suspicion that you're just doing these clubs for college admissions.
What admissions officers are really looking for a sort of "theme" in your application. They want to know if you are an "athlete" or an "artist" or a "musician" or a "science geek" or what-have-you. That gives them an idea of how you'll contribute to the school and campus life.
That's not even close to significant. Sorry? Lol.
why can't a student like all subject..you can't expect someone to be "going the environment route" as a early highschooler