Yeah I agree! It's even better than all summer solos and that one was supposed to be solo heavy or have good solos at the least but the solo here blows those out of the water!
This seems super promising but I worry that they'll drop the ball with the final version. I think many modern Weezer albums benefit from a more low production/live sound and I worry this won't carry over to the album well.
Yea. That's the problem I had with van Weezer. It's WAY over produced and over engineered. Green Day has been having the same problem for a while too. I think too many engineers approach from the "competitive" and "edited" end where everything has to be perfect and clean. No dirty, loud or grungy sounds anymore.
This version of sheraton commander fucking slaps. So raw. I love it. Now that i think of it, i think i like these live versions more than the studio release versions.
The biggest gripe I have with this version versus the final version is the track order… Like having the EP start with I Want A Dog is so bizarre. I had to make my own playlist to rearrange the tracks into an order that actually makes sense and flows together. I also just wish they didn’t rush Iambic Pentameter, it feels less choppy in this version
Yeah! One song really reminded me of Simple Fisherman and the other later version of that demo that I forgot the name to but it definitely does have a make believe era sound in the best possible way!
this is probably what the original version sounded like before they over-produced it for the final version. as always, album reviews have been Rivers' weak spot. ever since Pinkerton he just can't help it but take what publications like Pitchfork say to heart. and Pitchfork fcking HATES Weezer. honestly, to me it's not a gigantic loss since the final product is still great, the songs are fantastic and at the end of the day that's really what holds Weezer together for me, great songwriting. but damn... we could've had a more powerful album if they stuck to their guns.
Man, listening to this bootleg was a complete mistake 😅 i love this one more than the studio version. I know they tried to sound like the blue album but come on we are not in 1994 anymore, and i get there’s a kind of little pressure for rivers to replicate that record because of fans but those folks are almost 40~50 that haven’t grown 😤 seriously this original version is what was supposed to be Pd: Rivers is an amazing musician ❤
Yeah but its interesting because I believe the 8th track is supposed to lead into the 1st track on the next EP or at the very least continue off of the 7th track for example wild at heart into across the meadow and that somehow leading into lawn chair and the easiest to see leading into another is the "Summer" 8th track Portia leading into can't dance with the clip we have likely being towards the end since most summer clips were of bits at the end, sucks we have no news on The Way I Hate You because I'm interested in seeing how it'll follow up run raven run. Sorry for the long rant im really just a big weezer nerd 🗿
@@MichaelDermotMusic i didn't hear it anywhere i said "i believe" im just speculating since wild at heart ends and across the meadow directly continues it if you've heard them right after another so I think the bonus track will follow up the normal closer somehow and potentially lead into the next album, like I said this is most noticeable with summer since most of the clips we were getting were towards the end of the song and Portia sounds like it could directly connect or lead into can't dance but again its just my speculation nothing confirmed and I just think it'd be neat to do that even if most fans won't hear it since its vinyl exclusive
@@snispy I’ve not heard Across the Meadow, so I’m not sure about that. If it is true, it would be pretty frustrating for me, especially since very few songs on SZNZ lead into each other as well as my aforementioned reasoning. Songs that are part of the overarching SZNZ “story” shouldn’t be on prohibitively expensive vinyl. And oftentimes people use the term “I believe” when talking about things they’ve heard secondhand so I was just looking for confirmation as it sounded like something I could have missed.
@@MichaelDermotMusic you should give it a listen just search up "Across the meadow weezer" and you'll get a clip that rivers accidentally shared when doing a live listen along on his discord
Yeah im expecting some changes with the studio version, I hope they tinker a bit with the deep and dreamless sleep because although i love it now i think it has more potential
Lol I've been staring at the thumbnail for this vid for hours a day, for a wk now, and I just today finally noticed that there is a giant rivers statue head within the mountains. Mind blown hahaha!!!
Dark Enough to See The Stars is beautiful. It reminds me of one of those snowy, cold, desolate nights in the dead of January... where you're lonely because you can't really go out and see your friends because there's just too much snow on the roads and you're landlocked. But somehow sitting at home and drinking cocoa and watching movies and the heat blowing on you is also comforting.
The first two EPs weren't that great, summer was a bit better than spring at least. But after hearing this, I'm thinking autumn/winter is the best thing weezer has done since Pacific Daydream. No shade towards ⚫/VW/Okhuman but wow... Its like Rivers went back in time to his old songwriting tactics. Whatever it is, I love it. Hella homie/early 00s vibes
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 my most recent favorite from them has to be SZNZ Autumn then Summer then OK Human (I really love pacific daydream too though it gets way too much hate for how good it is!) and yeah I really love the direction they're heading with winter!
@@snispy Honestly man, I stopped checking after like a week of daily searching for it lol. So thats why I'm a couple wks late haha. Just figured no one recorded it. Had no idea about the no recording device rule. Glad my boredom led to me finding out someone finally upped it!
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 yeah man as soon as I even heard a rumor it was recorded i scoured the internet to find it so glad I did because I'm really loving the EP!
@@rileysuperfriend9889 gentle melodies, the vocal style, and the overall sound is really reminiscent of songs like "Longtime Sunshine" and "What is This I Find" Particularly, I hear the similarity in "I Want a Dog" and "The Deep and Dreamless Sleep."
being that he said hes been making them real time(even though this was before autumn came out), im hoping the fan input definitely makes this one come out to be at least a top 4 weez
ranking: 1: the one that got away 2: iambic pentameter 3: i want a dog 4: Sheraton commander 5: basketball 6: the deep and dreamless sleep 7: dark enough to see the stars ( i like all of them though)
interesting ranking but good nonetheless. Mine is 1. Dark Enough to See the Stars 2. The Deep and Dreamless Sleep 3. The One That Got Away 4. I Want A Dog 5. Basketball 6. Iambic Pentameter 7. Sheraton Commander Though its really impossible for me to make a list as I love them all so much the only one i'd say no matter what will likely be towards the bottom is Sheraton Commander but that's cause I know everything else will just be much better and longer
Add the comparison of the bootleg and the final product to the pile of irrefutable evidence that overproduction and crush are holding Weezer back. But please don't get me wrong, I loved both versions!
yeah, as it turns out, they did this to see a crowd's reaction to the current state of the album which was leaning heavily into orchestral instrumentation much like OK Human, they said after the visual feedback they went back and changed the album to still feature lots of orchestral work but more of that famous blue album crunch, I like how it turned out, but this feels even more wintery than the final product.
@@tyrraria597 I do not claim to be a music expert, but when I say overproduction, I am merely referring to the added effects, the sort of synthetic guitars and other sounds that are added in post. I hope you understand what I mean.
@@Conorize that’s fair, sometimes I think they should just record a separate version of each song for deluxe editions with no changes, they always knock live shows out of the park so I don’t see why not
I wish they kept that little solo for iambic, and apart of me likes the changes for dreamless sleep like hownit ends but I wish he kept the lyrics and first part of the songs tone the same as the live performance like more somber then he could have had the buildup, either way both are great tho!
I really liked the studio version. It does suffer from overproduction but I think the song writing is the strongest from all the EPs and the updates benefits some songs. I prefer basketball in the studio version more than here for example.
I pretty much like them all and I really think that Pat is absolutely killing it on drums Ranking: 1. Dark Enough to See the Stars 2. Iambic pentameter 3. The One That Got Away 4. Sheraton Commander 5. I Want A Dog 6. Deep and Dreamless Sleep 7. Basketball
Full album is out now. It’s… different than this. Sounds like winter wasn’t quite complete when they made this and did the kimmel performance. Sounds a little blue but… definitely over produced at times. Basketball only has one oo alley oop and the strumming is different… 🤷♂️
@@snispy It's basically how many beats they play in a measure of seconds. Holiday, December, LA Girlz are 6/8. No Other One, I Swear It's True, Death and Destruction, Blue Like Jazz are 3/4. Cleopatra uses 5/4 for the chorus (That's why it feels like it starts late). You can watch this video to check for yourself these time signatures if you're interested enough. Everynow and then weezer comes out with a different time signature, but it seems like they'll be especially prominent for Winter. th-cam.com/video/P45jlDNTf5Q/w-d-xo.html
@@TheRoloHDGamesAndFails Technically yea, 6/8 is just 3/4 but doubled, but that's just when counting the notes. sonically they sound very apart. 3/4 is a simple meter while 6/8 is a compound meter. they have other quirks like where the accents are played and the number of beats. if u notice, 3/4 sounds like an average 4/4 time but without the last 4, and 6/8 sounds almost swing-ish
This sounds so much better than all the other SZNZ, I hope they don't fuck it up in production. Summer and Autumn sounded like they were recorded on an IPhone, Autumn especially.
@@snispy Yea. I’m not even gonna listen anymore lol. Thank you tho for that treat. I called the purple color for the autumn cover. I wonder if this one will have snow and the statues head will be covered. And I really wonder what the single is cuz Damn I haven’t a clue which would be.
I think person who did the mastering makes the EP sounds overproducing (as many people said?). Because Suzy Shinn said they were really trying to recreate the Blue tone.. she's even asked Chris Shaw, who engineered and mixed the Blue Album.
the main problem i have with winter is the track order i like the track order far better then the studio release. also this sheraton commander is better then the studio version
Weezer threw out a teaser of I am a dogs studio version. I personally think it’s better. There’s more harmony. Vocal line is a bit different with more falsetto. I enjoy this but it seems like these versions are just in their youth with little vocal harmonies (and yes. It needs it. Vocal harmonies are awesome.)
It does feel like it could be the closer, I think the way it goes so bombastic towards the end is they might push that as the single? Either that one or I want a dog both have single potential. I think the full studio version of the deep and dreamless sleep will sound much better as a closer overall or i hope it will!
@@snispy I really could see I Want a Dog as the single for Winter, but the structure of Pentameter is what's making me wonder if it's the ending or not, because it feels similar to Run, Raven, Run in terms of structure (long song, reuse of a demo for a bridge, etc) and Rivers even sings "Seasons come and seasons go" near the end, which kinda gives it a sense of finality to the whole arc. Doesn't really give me a single vibe, if you know what I mean. Either way I'm excited to see the studio version as well!
@@SoniKast yeah with a few workarounds I can see iambic Pentameter as the closer especially cause it'd be nice to have it go full circle kinda sounding spring like at the end or more upbeat
@@snispy Also, it works full circle when it comes to the title and theme. 1st track off Spring is "Opening Night". If "Iambic Pentameter" is the last song on Winter, SZNZ starts and ends with Shakespeare references
@@raiden_c1 interestingly enough, the track listing i had here was wrong and iambic pentameter has had 1 minute shaved off of it so they might have removed the prom night bit
I used AI art generation for this! I forgot which AI I used honestly but I fed it the prompt something like "Weezer SZNZ: Winter" and after a few tries got that result and I loved it!
The whole EP is too good for me to have a favorite honestly! I really love Basketball, I Want A Dog, The One That Got Away, and The Deep And Dreamless Sleep!
@@snispy Yeah I agree, I also really like Sheraton Commander and love the deep and dreamless sleep, but if it is the final track of SZNZ I hope they spruce it up a bit and give it more weight as the closer. It's kinda funny that nobody has mentioned dark enough to see the stars, it just feels kinda like filler to me and I hope the studio version is better.
@@geraldgreg5370 Dark Enough to See The Stars is one of my favorites too idk how I forgot it! ;-; honestly I don't really feel like there's filler on this EP which I love! and yeah I agree about The Deep And Dreamless Sleep needing a bit of a spruce up to make it the closer SZNZ winter and SZNZ as a whole deserve!
@@snispy I think the studio version will be a lot better but I'm just kinda bothered by the lyrics. I feel like every other song is better about it but it just feels kinda repetitive and forced to me.
after listening to the I Want A Dog single.. - overall the song is way more energetic. this version is much toned down and somber - I wish they didn't substitute half of the solo for two choruses. -.the verse before the chorus sounds much better now - The vocals also sound better, and they removed some lyrics, which i don't mind at all - production is still shite and this live version has better sounding everything, aside from vocals; but hey, at least the single sounds like a winter song I think that in context with SZNZ, the single is definitely better, but on it's own i prefer the live rendition a bit more.
yeah, i hope that for the actual EP they keep the original i hope they opted for 2 choruses because its the single and that they will keep the original lyrics since they give the song a bit more depth showing not implying the person in the start grew up and went to prison because of a bad choice he made and the original setup of the song but even if they didn't i'd be fine with it. I love this version and the other version, and I'm not the biggest like music guy so production sounds fine to me,
@@evan_sy Take a time to relisten a few times. Especially when you're already listen to bootleg first. You just need to get used to studio version and turn off the bias things and boom.. the EP feels joyful.
The Deep and Dreamless Sleep is a pretty underwhelming ending, but the name goes hard as fuck. It's the last song on all of SZNZ, it has to go out with some type of finality bang. Hopefully it was just the live performance that ends like that, and the songs are still being tweaked and refined, especially that one.
I agree! The name definitely hits hard and I think there will be some tweaks to either that or maybe we'll see a reworking of song order to make Iambic Pentameter the closer as I personally think it could work too! I think the choir will make the deep and dreamless sleep sound much more grand when it's fully produced it can kinda be heard but its not all there yet. Sorry for the long response though I'm just obsessed with winter 😅
@@snispy oh no I definitely agree with you. personally I hope dreamless stays the closer, as the name just *sounds* like the last song on an album. iambic pentameter is good too. my biggest thing with the live showing is the album sounds incomplete, which makes sense considering they played the album before autumn was even released. hopefully when winter releases it will be properly, but not overly, produced, and ends on a high note for the sznz project. it would be super disappointing if it ends in the same way as Wild At Heart, for example, which just ends on one single note.
@@trupizza671 Yeah I hope they manage to do the production just right like they did with Autumn IMO I really want SZNZ to have a good sendoff since its personally one of my favorite projects the band has released!
@Mike Davis I think Rivers sounds fine vocally, it just doesn't seem like the grandiose ending you'd expect of the last song of the entire SZNZ project. For example, Thank you and goodnight from Summer had an explosive outro. Run Raven Run had the entire pacific sunset bridge and buildup. the deep and dreamless sleep just kinda...ends immediately. no outro words, no final solo, no instrumental, it just ends right after the final line of the chorus is said. Idk, if that's how they choose to do it I'll be kind of disappointed. but I'm still excited for SZNZ: Winter regardless. I love the sznz project and am excited to see how Winter is translated onto the full production of the album.
These are some great songs but I really hope they get some more unique melodies in the intros. A lot of the guitar sounds really similar at the beginning and its an odd choice. These sound great though, especially Basketball and the one who got away
That's what I thought too, I really hope they change it when it releases because it kind of bothers me how similar the chords and strumming is to basketball.
@@geraldgreg5370 Yeah they are similar to me but personally I don't mind because they all sound similar to an amazing song. I also feel like it does capture that somber winter tone which is great for SZNZ and overall I wouldn't mind if they hardly changed it but I see what you guys are getting at.
@@catsupempire3920 The song pacing is better, the lyrics are better, the track listing is better, the vocal performances are stronger, and the darker tone of this performance sounds a lot better for these songs. A lot of great things were taken out of these songs too, for one reason or another. (Iambic Pentameter shortened, bridge of Baskeball/ending is way worse on the record, I want a dog is butchered compared to this version, etc.) If they’d put the album out just like this, it would be perfect. Instead the songs sound like they’re being rushed through and none hit nearly as hard. (The production on the album is also pretty shit)
No, the studio version is better. I miss some of the sadness, but most of the actual song structure changes improved the songs. The last 3 songs on the live performance start to feel samey. The big change I’m sad about is the lyrics in Deep and Dreamless Sleep. And the production is fantastic. They pulled off the Blue vibe + orchestral parts + beautiful acoustic moments.
Someone managed to sneak a phone or some sort of recording device into the troubadour show where they first played SZNZ: Winter live and they leaked the videos through reddit telling people about the bootleg and sending it through Gmail and a website too im pretty sure though I can't recall its name.
Its so cringey having all these children in the fanbase now. I should not have to read stupid sht like this lol. Can I please just have my band back? I mean, thanks for getting them to play ijtotlomd live, but otherwise please leave.
Just seems like more of what the SZNZ's EP's have been. A handful of tracks that range from bad to mediocre, with maybe 1 or 2 tracks that stick out more then the rest. Hopefully whatever they do after this (Rivers has already said they have 2 full length albums in the works) is just more interesting. All these SZNZ's songs have been so bland and forgettable. Maybe a successor to OK Human or something more along the lines of White and EWBAITE.
I respect your take but I can't help but love most of all the sznz tracks they're just having fun with it and autumn and winter turned out really good imo so I'm glad they decided to try this out
@@itsmateo899 No, I'm a die hard weezer fan. I don't like Make Believe, Hurley, Raditude, Black, and Pacific Daydream because they are bad albums. The fan base hates those albums. The rest of weezers stuff is great.
I don't want to seem like an ass cause I absolutely love weezer but it wasn't cool when they cancelled the sznz broadway show last minute then played sznz autumn songs and winter entirely in a secret show across the country from the people who wanted to see the sznz show under a different stagename. I also think the songs will change a decent bit (for better or worse) during production so I wanted to archive this and people are going to search for this anyways since it was common knowledge it was leaked I just didn't want anyone to have to go anywhere sketchy to find it
@@nob0r yeah but still the least they could have done is maybe let them know about the show in L.A. and not play under a stage name only super hard-core fans know about, an alternative would be to let people know early that the tickets weren't selling well which would given people a chance at canceling flight tickets and possibly getting refunds
Terrible. 8,700 views and only 200 likes says it all. Weezer seems to go through cycles of putting out good content for a couple of albums then going through a period of putting out mediocre / downright bad content. SZNS is their "Black album" of this cycle. Hopefully they find their way back to quality.
I have to disagree, most people don't leave likes on TH-cam anyways let alone on some random persons video. I personally really like all the SZNZ albums and can't wait for the full release of this album but to each their own.
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This is good but let's not kid ourselves, the studio version is rightfully the version released - play it loud and hear that Weezer crunch
I want a dog sounds like a classic 90s song. It is the perfect single
I agree has that original kinda blue distortion for certain parts and the solo especially! Its between this and baseball being the single for me
officially the single, out on the 9th
I love the guitar solos on this, probably the best out of every SZNZ.
Yeah I agree! It's even better than all summer solos and that one was supposed to be solo heavy or have good solos at the least but the solo here blows those out of the water!
This seems super promising but I worry that they'll drop the ball with the final version. I think many modern Weezer albums benefit from a more low production/live sound and I worry this won't carry over to the album well.
Yea. That's the problem I had with van Weezer. It's WAY over produced and over engineered. Green Day has been having the same problem for a while too. I think too many engineers approach from the "competitive" and "edited" end where everything has to be perfect and clean. No dirty, loud or grungy sounds anymore.
I want a dog sounds about the same as it does here. It is very good :)
@@dullstaples few different parts but somewhat the same yea.
@@N617A I wished they didnt screw with the Chorus. I liked the prison part of it as it gave the chorus a nice flow.
@@mistahswags yea. I feel it. I love the vocal harmonies but that was kind of a downer for me too.
I hope Rivers removes that annoying crowd cheering sound effect in the studio version...
This was a live performance which is why you can hear the cheering it'll sound better and be without that cheering in the full studio version
@@snispy r/wooosh
lmao
@@OnePunchYT that subreddit still exists?
@@waycnf7229 i think so but I've never gone on there
This version of sheraton commander fucking slaps. So raw. I love it.
Now that i think of it, i think i like these live versions more than the studio release versions.
glad you're enjoying the live versions!
Omg I think this is gonna be the best season EP 😊
God damn this is good. SFTBH combined with OK Human and Make Believe vibes.
so basically just weezer vibes
@@gleepot Technically, though the point is that Weezer's discography is wildly inconsistent.
The biggest gripe I have with this version versus the final version is the track order… Like having the EP start with I Want A Dog is so bizarre. I had to make my own playlist to rearrange the tracks into an order that actually makes sense and flows together. I also just wish they didn’t rush Iambic Pentameter, it feels less choppy in this version
The prom night bit in track 3 is sick
Yeah definitely is great, really loving the whole ep and can't wait for the full release
this sounds like a mix of ok human and MB (specifically the demos), honestly loving it so far
Yeah! One song really reminded me of Simple Fisherman and the other later version of that demo that I forgot the name to but it definitely does have a make believe era sound in the best possible way!
grew on me so much, I just need a studio version of basketball and iambic pentameter
The lyrics are all really good!!
Yeah, I agree!
Dark Enough To See The Stars sounds like something from SFTBH. Lovin it
yeah it's one of my favor5ites from the EP!
I am calling it, this will be the best SZNZ.
I think so too!
most likely if the quality's consistently amazing, just like autumn
this is probably what the original version sounded like before they over-produced it for the final version.
as always, album reviews have been Rivers' weak spot. ever since Pinkerton he just can't help it but take what publications like Pitchfork say to heart. and Pitchfork fcking HATES Weezer.
honestly, to me it's not a gigantic loss since the final product is still great, the songs are fantastic and at the end of the day that's really what holds Weezer together for me, great songwriting.
but damn... we could've had a more powerful album if they stuck to their guns.
the yell at 8:12 always kills me
Man, listening to this bootleg was a complete mistake 😅 i love this one more than the studio version. I know they tried to sound like the blue album but come on we are not in 1994 anymore, and i get there’s a kind of little pressure for rivers to replicate that record because of fans but those folks are almost 40~50 that haven’t grown 😤 seriously this original version is what was supposed to be
Pd: Rivers is an amazing musician ❤
revisiting this, sheraton commander sounds so menacing and I absolutely love it
makes so much sense since run raven run was before it
Yeah but its interesting because I believe the 8th track is supposed to lead into the 1st track on the next EP or at the very least continue off of the 7th track for example wild at heart into across the meadow and that somehow leading into lawn chair and the easiest to see leading into another is the "Summer" 8th track Portia leading into can't dance with the clip we have likely being towards the end since most summer clips were of bits at the end, sucks we have no news on The Way I Hate You because I'm interested in seeing how it'll follow up run raven run. Sorry for the long rant im really just a big weezer nerd 🗿
@@snispy where did you hear that? I don’t think it would make sense to “lead into” a bonus track that 90% of fans won’t hear.
@@MichaelDermotMusic i didn't hear it anywhere i said "i believe" im just speculating since wild at heart ends and across the meadow directly continues it if you've heard them right after another so I think the bonus track will follow up the normal closer somehow and potentially lead into the next album, like I said this is most noticeable with summer since most of the clips we were getting were towards the end of the song and Portia sounds like it could directly connect or lead into can't dance but again its just my speculation nothing confirmed and I just think it'd be neat to do that even if most fans won't hear it since its vinyl exclusive
@@snispy I’ve not heard Across the Meadow, so I’m not sure about that. If it is true, it would be pretty frustrating for me, especially since very few songs on SZNZ lead into each other as well as my aforementioned reasoning. Songs that are part of the overarching SZNZ “story” shouldn’t be on prohibitively expensive vinyl.
And oftentimes people use the term “I believe” when talking about things they’ve heard secondhand so I was just looking for confirmation as it sounded like something I could have missed.
@@MichaelDermotMusic you should give it a listen just search up "Across the meadow weezer" and you'll get a clip that rivers accidentally shared when doing a live listen along on his discord
I think the studio version will be more acoustic guitar, piano, and strings, than this one. Which I think these songs will translate amazingly to.
Yeah im expecting some changes with the studio version, I hope they tinker a bit with the deep and dreamless sleep because although i love it now i think it has more potential
I also could pick up a backing chorus? Idk exactly what its called but it sounded great and can't wait to hear it unmuffled in the studio version
@Mike Davis yeah that's what it sounds like, can't wait to hear it with the full production!
Came back here to say you were right and it worked out great
Lol I've been staring at the thumbnail for this vid for hours a day, for a wk now, and I just today finally noticed that there is a giant rivers statue head within the mountains. Mind blown hahaha!!!
yeah haha! good to see you found it
I wish they’d have kept this version of I want a Dog. Hits so much harder
I like the slower drum beat for the chorus of Deep and Dreamless sleep but I can understand why they sped it up.
I think this version of Deep and dreamless sleep is totally better (minus the missing guitar finale of course)
Sheraton Commander intro is played as Rivers Cuomo enters the stage at the 2022 Soundrenaline in Jakarta
Dark Enough to See The Stars is beautiful. It reminds me of one of those snowy, cold, desolate nights in the dead of January... where you're lonely because you can't really go out and see your friends because there's just too much snow on the roads and you're landlocked. But somehow sitting at home and drinking cocoa and watching movies and the heat blowing on you is also comforting.
Lovely in a way
After a Month I can now say this is going to slap. Production better not ruin this. Every song here is a hit.
:(
@@jackengdall Yeah……..
im feeling some pinkerton, pacific daydream, and that geroge has some british are coming vibes
Wow finally? about time someone uploaded this. I couldn't believe there was nothing to be found of this on YT
I uploaded this nearly 2 weeks ago but yeah I agree 😂
The first two EPs weren't that great, summer was a bit better than spring at least. But after hearing this, I'm thinking autumn/winter is the best thing weezer has done since Pacific Daydream. No shade towards ⚫/VW/Okhuman but wow... Its like Rivers went back in time to his old songwriting tactics. Whatever it is, I love it. Hella homie/early 00s vibes
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 my most recent favorite from them has to be SZNZ Autumn then Summer then OK Human (I really love pacific daydream too though it gets way too much hate for how good it is!) and yeah I really love the direction they're heading with winter!
@@snispy Honestly man, I stopped checking after like a week of daily searching for it lol. So thats why I'm a couple wks late haha. Just figured no one recorded it. Had no idea about the no recording device rule. Glad my boredom led to me finding out someone finally upped it!
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 yeah man as soon as I even heard a rumor it was recorded i scoured the internet to find it so glad I did because I'm really loving the EP!
This is THE most SFTBH-Esque album besides Pink in this state
Yeah it sounds really great!
how so?
@@rileysuperfriend9889 gentle melodies, the vocal style, and the overall sound is really reminiscent of songs like "Longtime Sunshine" and "What is This I Find" Particularly, I hear the similarity in "I Want a Dog" and "The Deep and Dreamless Sleep."
Iambic Pantameter has an insane bridge woah lol
Yeah the bridge is great!
I really want iambic pentameter to be the closer, it just sounds like they designed it for that purpose
It would make a really nice closer but hopefully they can make The Deep And Dreamless Sleep a proper closer cause the name SLAPS
on a standard album it would probably be the penultimate track
the drums and the solos are cool
I'm kind of bitter that this sounds better than the album version.
Yeah...
I still think the finished EP is the closest we’ve come to the Blue Album in a long long time
Deep and Dreamless Sleep and The One that Got Away are so good
Yeah I really love those 2 tracks!
my current gcse music teacher actually wrote the solo for weezer that is used in that song
@@lemmegetuhhlemmegetuhh which?
@@sustavofring5696 one that got away
I thought this was going to be fake but then I remembered the live show they did
being that he said hes been making them real time(even though this was before autumn came out), im hoping the fan input definitely makes this one come out to be at least a top 4 weez
ranking:
1: the one that got away
2: iambic pentameter
3: i want a dog
4: Sheraton commander
5: basketball
6: the deep and dreamless sleep
7: dark enough to see the stars
( i like all of them though)
interesting ranking but good nonetheless. Mine is
1. Dark Enough to See the Stars
2. The Deep and Dreamless Sleep
3. The One That Got Away
4. I Want A Dog
5. Basketball
6. Iambic Pentameter
7. Sheraton Commander
Though its really impossible for me to make a list as I love them all so much the only one i'd say no matter what will likely be towards the bottom is Sheraton Commander but that's cause I know everything else will just be much better and longer
@@snispy i agree
Add the comparison of the bootleg and the final product to the pile of irrefutable evidence that overproduction and crush are holding Weezer back.
But please don't get me wrong, I loved both versions!
yeah, as it turns out, they did this to see a crowd's reaction to the current state of the album which was leaning heavily into orchestral instrumentation much like OK Human, they said after the visual feedback they went back and changed the album to still feature lots of orchestral work but more of that famous blue album crunch, I like how it turned out, but this feels even more wintery than the final product.
This is not overproduction, it’s actually pretty raw other than in places that need production
@@tyrraria597 I do not claim to be a music expert, but when I say overproduction, I am merely referring to the added effects, the sort of synthetic guitars and other sounds that are added in post. I hope you understand what I mean.
@@Conorize that’s fair, sometimes I think they should just record a separate version of each song for deluxe editions with no changes, they always knock live shows out of the park so I don’t see why not
@@tyrraria597 That's what I think too!
Deep and dreamless sleep sounds miles better than the bootleg. Though i do prefer the bootleg for iambic pentameter
how's the rest
I wish they kept that little solo for iambic, and apart of me likes the changes for dreamless sleep like hownit ends but I wish he kept the lyrics and first part of the songs tone the same as the live performance like more somber then he could have had the buildup, either way both are great tho!
I agree on both accounts
I really liked the studio version. It does suffer from overproduction but I think the song writing is the strongest from all the EPs and the updates benefits some songs. I prefer basketball in the studio version more than here for example.
goddamn this is the best one
its like a "softer" blue album
Yeah it's definitely on par with Autumn which is my favorite so far, I can't wait to hear the full studio versions!
@@KristianNowak Yeah, I get what you mean!
I pretty much like them all and I really think that Pat is absolutely killing it on drums
Ranking:
1. Dark Enough to See the Stars
2. Iambic pentameter
3. The One That Got Away
4. Sheraton Commander
5. I Want A Dog
6. Deep and Dreamless Sleep
7. Basketball
Thats an interesting ranking i wonder if you'll change it when hearing the full production version of the songs
@@snispy yeah most definitely with the sudio renditions
Songs from the black hole vibes for some reason
i got a little bit of ewbaite vibes on basketball
Full album is out now. It’s… different than this. Sounds like winter wasn’t quite complete when they made this and did the kimmel performance. Sounds a little blue but… definitely over produced at times. Basketball only has one oo alley oop and the strumming is different… 🤷♂️
this tracklist is full of various time signatures
Not entirely sure what you mean but it probably is 💀
@@snispy It's basically how many beats they play in a measure of seconds. Holiday, December, LA Girlz are 6/8. No Other One, I Swear It's True, Death and Destruction, Blue Like Jazz are 3/4. Cleopatra uses 5/4 for the chorus (That's why it feels like it starts late). You can watch this video to check for yourself these time signatures if you're interested enough. Everynow and then weezer comes out with a different time signature, but it seems like they'll be especially prominent for Winter. th-cam.com/video/P45jlDNTf5Q/w-d-xo.html
@@godaberi yeah I thought it was something like that, thanks for clarifying!
@@godaberi isnt 6/8 the same as 3/4
@@TheRoloHDGamesAndFails Technically yea, 6/8 is just 3/4 but doubled, but that's just when counting the notes. sonically they sound very apart. 3/4 is a simple meter while 6/8 is a compound meter. they have other quirks like where the accents are played and the number of beats. if u notice, 3/4 sounds like an average 4/4 time but without the last 4, and 6/8 sounds almost swing-ish
you a champ for this 👏👏🔥
Ty, make sure to share this and leave a like if you can!
This sounds so much better than all the other SZNZ, I hope they don't fuck it up in production. Summer and Autumn sounded like they were recorded on an IPhone, Autumn especially.
8:12 when you fall off the stage as werehog sonic in sonic unleashed
I used to play that game all the time but forgot what you were talking about and honestly was gonna comment "bro? 🤨 kinda cringe" but I hear it now 😭😂
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Hah as Sheraton Commander is playing I’m quoting Jim Morrison. “They are waiting to take us into the severed garden”. So so awesome.
Does sound awesome!
@@snispy Yea. I’m not even gonna listen anymore lol. Thank you tho for that treat. I called the purple color for the autumn cover. I wonder if this one will have snow and the statues head will be covered. And I really wonder what the single is cuz Damn I haven’t a clue which would be.
@@billyshead1339 i think the single is either gonna be i want a dog or basketball both would be amazing singles
I think person who did the mastering makes the EP sounds overproducing (as many people said?). Because Suzy Shinn said they were really trying to recreate the Blue tone.. she's even asked Chris Shaw, who engineered and mixed the Blue Album.
I think it does hit a lot of that Blue Album mark, definitely the most blue album esque thing i've heard from them in awhile but I get what you mean!
I hope they get the whole band to sing in this like on Ok Human.
Also Sheraton Commander is awesome but misleading af
I agree I really hope they can get the whole band in on the singing it would be really awesome!
8:14 well that person recognized “you and me” lol
yeah lmao
Cleaner, more finished demo of basketball 🏀
Yup!
the main problem i have with winter is the track order i like the track order far better then the studio release. also this sheraton commander is better then the studio version
I preferred this version of the Basketball bridge, even though the alley-oop sounds a little weird its that classic weezer charm
I feel like Rivers pulled from Songs from the Black Hole and fan favorite demos for the SZNZ project
Yeah he's been reusing some stuff from old demos! to me it sounds a lot like make believe demos but I can definitely see inspiration from SFTBH too!
Weezer threw out a teaser of I am a dogs studio version. I personally think it’s better. There’s more harmony. Vocal line is a bit different with more falsetto. I enjoy this but it seems like these versions are just in their youth with little vocal harmonies (and yes. It needs it. Vocal harmonies are awesome.)
That's cool, is it on weezle or where can I find it?
@@snispy on their yt channel
@@snispy insta and fb I think? Just a short reel.
the chorus of the one that got away is very zeldas lullabye-esque
Yeah it is! I really like it and if it was intentional that would be so cool
@@snispy it's rivers we're talking about, it was like definitely intentional
i’m so hyped for “i want a dog”
Yeah it comes out this Friday!
I like the ep version more this sounds more unfinished to me.
Dark Enough to See the Stars is very Songs from the Black Hole
yeah, I agree!
Playful Superfriend-esque melody
I feel like they didn't play it in order... Iambic Pentameter definitely feels like the ending of the EP
It does feel like it could be the closer, I think the way it goes so bombastic towards the end is they might push that as the single? Either that one or I want a dog both have single potential. I think the full studio version of the deep and dreamless sleep will sound much better as a closer overall or i hope it will!
@@snispy I really could see I Want a Dog as the single for Winter, but the structure of Pentameter is what's making me wonder if it's the ending or not, because it feels similar to Run, Raven, Run in terms of structure (long song, reuse of a demo for a bridge, etc) and Rivers even sings "Seasons come and seasons go" near the end, which kinda gives it a sense of finality to the whole arc. Doesn't really give me a single vibe, if you know what I mean. Either way I'm excited to see the studio version as well!
@@SoniKast yeah with a few workarounds I can see iambic Pentameter as the closer especially cause it'd be nice to have it go full circle kinda sounding spring like at the end or more upbeat
@@snispy Also, it works full circle when it comes to the title and theme. 1st track off Spring is "Opening Night". If "Iambic Pentameter" is the last song on Winter, SZNZ starts and ends with Shakespeare references
@@sirslurmusic Thats true! Either way winter goes there's no doubt it'll end up great to me!
So... am i the only one who noticed that the bridge on Iambic Pentameter is the verse melody of Prom Night?
yeah lots have noticed too, i don't mind it much tbh Iambic Pentameter goes hard!
Oh, i don't either. Song is great. It was just bugging me when I couldn't place it til I had Prom Night come on and I had a huge epiphany lol
@@raiden_c1 interestingly enough, the track listing i had here was wrong and iambic pentameter has had 1 minute shaved off of it so they might have removed the prom night bit
Iambic Pentameter sounds incredible
I agree!
I really dig the thumbnail! Where did you get it?
I used AI art generation for this! I forgot which AI I used honestly but I fed it the prompt something like "Weezer SZNZ: Winter" and after a few tries got that result and I loved it!
I liked basketball the most at first but the one that got away has grown on me
The whole EP is too good for me to have a favorite honestly! I really love Basketball, I Want A Dog, The One That Got Away, and The Deep And Dreamless Sleep!
@@snispy Yeah I agree, I also really like Sheraton Commander and love the deep and dreamless sleep, but if it is the final track of SZNZ I hope they spruce it up a bit and give it more weight as the closer. It's kinda funny that nobody has mentioned dark enough to see the stars, it just feels kinda like filler to me and I hope the studio version is better.
@@geraldgreg5370 Dark Enough to See The Stars is one of my favorites too idk how I forgot it! ;-; honestly I don't really feel like there's filler on this EP which I love! and yeah I agree about The Deep And Dreamless Sleep needing a bit of a spruce up to make it the closer SZNZ winter and SZNZ as a whole deserve!
@@snispy I think the studio version will be a lot better but I'm just kinda bothered by the lyrics. I feel like every other song is better about it but it just feels kinda repetitive and forced to me.
Basketball needs to be the single, I HAVE HOPE
Basketball would make a great single too!
Woah yea that’s true. What’s the single gonna be? I didn’t even think about that. Lol. 🥴
@@billyshead1339 To me the singles are between Basketball and I Want A Dog looking forward to either one!
after listening to the I Want A Dog single..
- overall the song is way more energetic. this version is much toned down and somber
- I wish they didn't substitute half of the solo for two choruses.
-.the verse before the chorus sounds much better now
- The vocals also sound better, and they removed some lyrics, which i don't mind at all
- production is still shite and this live version has better sounding everything, aside from vocals; but hey, at least the single sounds like a winter song
I think that in context with SZNZ, the single is definitely better, but on it's own i prefer the live rendition a bit more.
yeah, i hope that for the actual EP they keep the original i hope they opted for 2 choruses because its the single and that they will keep the original lyrics since they give the song a bit more depth showing not implying the person in the start grew up and went to prison because of a bad choice he made and the original setup of the song but even if they didn't i'd be fine with it. I love this version and the other version, and I'm not the biggest like music guy so production sounds fine to me,
The bridge for deep and dreamless sleep feels sounds similar to another song and idk which one.
Give me an update if you find what it sounds like!
Woah!
I know right! I wish they kept sheraton commander like it was here :(
weezer.
Is I want a dog the single? I hope it is
I believe its between Basketball and I Want A Dog! I'd be happy with either though
basketball kinda a banger
yeah man I 100% agree
good news! they didnt ruin it
Did you listen to it already and if so, how? 😭
@@snispy yes i did, theres a download link on reddit if you want it.
They didn’t ruin any of the songs but pretty much every change they made to the songs was for the worse
@@evan_sy I completely disagree. almost every change made the songs feel more polished and fleshed out
@@evan_sy Take a time to relisten a few times. Especially when you're already listen to bootleg first.
You just need to get used to studio version and turn off the bias things and boom.. the EP feels joyful.
The Deep and Dreamless Sleep is a pretty underwhelming ending, but the name goes hard as fuck. It's the last song on all of SZNZ, it has to go out with some type of finality bang. Hopefully it was just the live performance that ends like that, and the songs are still being tweaked and refined, especially that one.
I agree! The name definitely hits hard and I think there will be some tweaks to either that or maybe we'll see a reworking of song order to make Iambic Pentameter the closer as I personally think it could work too! I think the choir will make the deep and dreamless sleep sound much more grand when it's fully produced it can kinda be heard but its not all there yet. Sorry for the long response though I'm just obsessed with winter 😅
@@snispy oh no I definitely agree with you. personally I hope dreamless stays the closer, as the name just *sounds* like the last song on an album. iambic pentameter is good too. my biggest thing with the live showing is the album sounds incomplete, which makes sense considering they played the album before autumn was even released. hopefully when winter releases it will be properly, but not overly, produced, and ends on a high note for the sznz project. it would be super disappointing if it ends in the same way as Wild At Heart, for example, which just ends on one single note.
@@trupizza671 Yeah I hope they manage to do the production just right like they did with Autumn IMO I really want SZNZ to have a good sendoff since its personally one of my favorite projects the band has released!
@Mike Davis I think Rivers sounds fine vocally, it just doesn't seem like the grandiose ending you'd expect of the last song of the entire SZNZ project. For example, Thank you and goodnight from Summer had an explosive outro. Run Raven Run had the entire pacific sunset bridge and buildup. the deep and dreamless sleep just kinda...ends immediately. no outro words, no final solo, no instrumental, it just ends right after the final line of the chorus is said. Idk, if that's how they choose to do it I'll be kind of disappointed. but I'm still excited for SZNZ: Winter regardless. I love the sznz project and am excited to see how Winter is translated onto the full production of the album.
If there's no epic ending, Winter is more of an epilogue to seasons since Run Raven Run is an epic closer.
Three of these guitar intros are just Simple Fisherman or Time is Running Out For Me. But not the melody. Odd
Yeah I got some make believe demo vibes from a lot of the songs intros but I'm all here for it! Wish they'd use the melody too though
sorry for iambic pentameter
8:12 prom night
yeah i noticed that too!
Basketball 🏀 rules.
I agree!
@snispy it is truly amazing 👏 🥰❤️
W
What part/section of Vivaldi’s seasons does Sheraton commander come from?
Sheraton Commander is based on Adagio in G Minor by Albinoni :)
These are some great songs but I really hope they get some more unique melodies in the intros. A lot of the guitar sounds really similar at the beginning and its an odd choice. These sound great though, especially Basketball and the one who got away
Yeah I noticed they sounded similar too. Imo its not too bad though but hopefully they can individualize the intros a bit more
my money is on Brian not knowing all of the songs and playing the same progression…
@@robertbrodin410 That feels very possible, considering winter is like two months away your probably right
That's what I thought too, I really hope they change it when it releases because it kind of bothers me how similar the chords and strumming is to basketball.
@@geraldgreg5370 Yeah they are similar to me but personally I don't mind because they all sound similar to an amazing song. I also feel like it does capture that somber winter tone which is great for SZNZ and overall I wouldn't mind if they hardly changed it but I see what you guys are getting at.
Why did they even risk this happening
Not sure why maybe they wanted to practice and decided to try playing this as well either way it was kinda a bad move
@@snispy yeah that makes sense either way I think the albums great and when it comes out we will also have two versions basically
@@mini8713 yeah im looking forward to hearing this with its full production!
@@snispy Rivers said that this was to force themselves to begin rehearsing the songs before recording the studio versions.
Is it just me or does 20:44 to 20:58 sound pretty similar to the start of IJTOTLOMD?
the start of what
@@felixorozco4055 I just threw out the love of my dreams
Sounds more like el scorcho to me
Definitely more of a El Scorcho vibe
@@godaberi I got more of an el scorcho vibe from basketballs intro but can definitely see what you're saying!
8546 O'Keefe Knolls
This is better than the studio version in every way lmao
Why??
@@catsupempire3920 The song pacing is better, the lyrics are better, the track listing is better, the vocal performances are stronger, and the darker tone of this performance sounds a lot better for these songs. A lot of great things were taken out of these songs too, for one reason or another. (Iambic Pentameter shortened, bridge of Baskeball/ending is way worse on the record, I want a dog is butchered compared to this version, etc.)
If they’d put the album out just like this, it would be perfect. Instead the songs sound like they’re being rushed through and none hit nearly as hard. (The production on the album is also pretty shit)
@@jackengdall It's always the production isn't it?
No, the studio version is better. I miss some of the sadness, but most of the actual song structure changes improved the songs. The last 3 songs on the live performance start to feel samey. The big change I’m sad about is the lyrics in Deep and Dreamless Sleep.
And the production is fantastic. They pulled off the Blue vibe + orchestral parts + beautiful acoustic moments.
I agree Jack. Just listen to Iambic Pentameter in the studio version. It sounds like butchered cuts in one.
Hey look I don't care what you say but Rivers Cuomo is an awesome musician.
I agree 100%
How did these leak?
Someone managed to sneak a phone or some sort of recording device into the troubadour show where they first played SZNZ: Winter live and they leaked the videos through reddit telling people about the bootleg and sending it through Gmail and a website too im pretty sure though I can't recall its name.
basketball kicks ass not really feeling the rest.
poor iambic pentameter was butchered beyond belief
What are the lyrics I'm basketball💀
wdym
@@nukem2581 the lyrics on basketball are trash
@@Supersonic-g7k example?
@@nukem2581 I think the lyrics are corny and kind of boring
Its so cringey having all these children in the fanbase now. I should not have to read stupid sht like this lol. Can I please just have my band back? I mean, thanks for getting them to play ijtotlomd live, but otherwise please leave.
Just seems like more of what the SZNZ's EP's have been. A handful of tracks that range from bad to mediocre, with maybe 1 or 2 tracks that stick out more then the rest. Hopefully whatever they do after this (Rivers has already said they have 2 full length albums in the works) is just more interesting. All these SZNZ's songs have been so bland and forgettable. Maybe a successor to OK Human or something more along the lines of White and EWBAITE.
I respect your take but I can't help but love most of all the sznz tracks they're just having fun with it and autumn and winter turned out really good imo so I'm glad they decided to try this out
@@freezermeteor75 Bro what? 🤣. You like Raditude? You like Pacific Daydream? You don't have to like all of a bands discography to be a fan of them.
@@itsmateo899 Well those are considered bad albums and most weezer fans don't like them. Bad albums don't really count.
@@freezermeteor75 How do bad albums not count??? Do you not like those albums? I guess your not a real Weezer fan.
@@itsmateo899 No, I'm a die hard weezer fan. I don't like Make Believe, Hurley, Raditude, Black, and Pacific Daydream because they are bad albums. The fan base hates those albums. The rest of weezers stuff is great.
Should not have posted this bruh. Not cool.
I don't want to seem like an ass cause I absolutely love weezer but it wasn't cool when they cancelled the sznz broadway show last minute then played sznz autumn songs and winter entirely in a secret show across the country from the people who wanted to see the sznz show under a different stagename. I also think the songs will change a decent bit (for better or worse) during production so I wanted to archive this and people are going to search for this anyways since it was common knowledge it was leaked I just didn't want anyone to have to go anywhere sketchy to find it
@@nob0r yeah but still the least they could have done is maybe let them know about the show in L.A. and not play under a stage name only super hard-core fans know about, an alternative would be to let people know early that the tickets weren't selling well which would given people a chance at canceling flight tickets and possibly getting refunds
Terrible. 8,700 views and only 200 likes says it all. Weezer seems to go through cycles of putting out good content for a couple of albums then going through a period of putting out mediocre / downright bad content. SZNS is their "Black album" of this cycle. Hopefully they find their way back to quality.
I have to disagree, most people don't leave likes on TH-cam anyways let alone on some random persons video. I personally really like all the SZNZ albums and can't wait for the full release of this album but to each their own.
None of these songs are catchy enough.
They're all really catchy to me, maybe not Sheraton commander but all the rest definitely are