www.bbc.co.uk/markkermode I posted recently about sequels to much loved films - here are some of the many movies that you are concerned could be messed up second time around...
Oh, the sweet, naive film fans of 2017, thinking that Blade Runner 2049 would be a lifeless cashgrab sequel, unaware of what they had waiting for them.
I have no sympathy for Warcraft if its entire purpose was to set up a series of sequels. Films should not be series pilots. They should be films. By all means leave possibilities for sequels in their endings, but when you make a film, make it as if it's your last chance to tell a story with those characters.
I don´t really agree with your point on Star Wars. The Force Awakens was intended as a first part of a new trilogy, so therefore, there are going to be a few loose ends that will be tied up in the next 2 movies. Even the original Star Wars, which initially, as I recall, was made as a standalone movie, since Lucas didn´t know if the movie will be a financial success, had a few loose ends.
But, generally speaking, there is a trend in Hollywood, where the first, big blockbuster movie is seen as a potential setup for a new franchise and, therefore, decisions are made that can hurt a movie a lot.
Making it a single standalone movie was never ever possible to do when adapting property like Warcraft. It's impossible, that's like trying to adapt the Silmarillion or the whole Bible into a 2 hour movie.
Mr Peaches Latour What I was trying to explain is that there is a difference between an each movie a setup for a next movie in a big franchise, like most of the Marvel movies in the MCU, and telling a story in a three part arc, a trilogy. In a trilogy there are bound to be story threads that will be resolved in the next 2 movies. I dont agree that only Vaders fate was unresolved......there were other lingering questions such as: the deal between Jaba and Han, what really happened with Obi Wan, the "love triangle" between Luke, Han and Leia, who was the emperor.
While I understand the position, Warcraft is just too big and its lore too vast to make it another way. It was not about setting up sequels for the sake it, you needed those sequels to tell the story in a proper way. Hell, even the 2 hours runtime of the Warcraft movie itself proved to be too narrow for the "first chapter" Duncan wanted to tell, resulting in neck breaking pacing and sloppy character development. The alternative to this route was trying to cram even more stuff into those 2 hours trying to tell a story with a definitive sense of conclusion and obtaining and even far messier and crappier result.
I am very late to this party, but in 2021 I will answer this question. I am really really worried about the proposed Joker sequel. The first was perfect and Todd Philips doesn't have a great track record for creating particularly excellent sequels
I am terrified of the upcoming Blade Runner reboot, and just pray that Deakins and Villeneuve can compensate for having to watch Ryan Gosling mugging it.
I have just had a thought of having a movie released, then a sequel comes out but is actually the same movie however told from a different perspective. similar to what sliding doors did, but with different characters.
I wasn't worried about "The Craft" remake because apparently it's going to be a sequel, but after watching "The Exorcist" tv series that is bassicly a sequel too and how it missunderstood the concept and the universe in which the story takes place, i'm pretty sure i'm gonna hate it. Same thing with "Blair Witch" Sequel/Reboot.
Not a movie but the return of Twin Peaks both excites and worries me. I mean, David Lynch and Mark Frost returned as show runners, so there's a good chance it won't be as patchy as season two. But I'm still a little nervous.
Terminator 2, when even though we're told they smashed the defence grid and destroyed the technology and "no one goes home; no one else comes through" in the original, they find a way to send an even bigger baderer Terminator through - and they make it some Hollywood action splurge (or something) rather than the tight personal horror we had before. They'd probably even find a cameo for Micheal Biehn, despite him being dead. - They could probably make sequels to that for forever on That logic.
I am always weary when it comes to sequels because they are rarely up to snuff. I can't think of many sequels (movies based on the plot of the first movie....which means Star Trek II Wrath of Khan is not really a sequel as such but it was a LOT better then Motion Picture) which were really good or even surprised me in being better than the original. I liked Hellboy II even though it had less Mignola and more del Toro in it. X-Men: Day of Future Past was also pretty great (unfortunately the same cannot be said about the storyline regarding Apocalypse). The Dark Knight was amazing, Toy Story II was also great and I liked Rocky II.
If you have a great understanding of your characters and their stories, you stand a real chance. Like Before Sunrise, it was one of these I-so-want-to-revisit-them yet if-you-did- you'd-ruin-it kinds of thing. But they nailed it and that is also why Guardians of the Galaxy 2 worked. Or Aliens. Or look no further than the ending dinner sequence of Godfather II and how that wraps up the tragedy by going to the beginning once again.
Ive always wanted a prequel to the usual suspects, a movie that Would focus on keyser soze, and how he rose up to become the boogey man of the criminal world
Now that technology has advanced to the level it has, and that the appropriate level of irony has permeated the culture, could it be time for a HOWARD THE DUCK sequel/reboot? The original comic is pretty dark and interesting...
I would like to see the sequel to Seven. But, with both characters, Broken detective Mills, disillusioned Somerset, and a copy cat serial killer. Even darker than the original.
I want a sequel to Spider-Man ...wait, hear me out!! A Spider-Man movie which DOESN'T regress and reboot the series again , but instead has the story set after high school and into Peter Parker's adult life. Stop sending us back to a tiny handful of 60s comics and move on!!
American Psycho 2 was a terrible idea and a terrible film. Hellbound: Hellraiser and Hellraiser 2 were great, H2 being my favourite. But after that, the films went down hill in every possible way. 2010: Odyssey 2 was a great sequel, and though more conventional in the way the story was told than 2001: A Space Odyssey, it serves as a great counter balance, while arguably being closer to the kind of story Arthur C Clarke (who appears in the film) wanted to tell. I'd love to see the remaining Odyssey films made.
I don't give a flying fuzz about sequels. They can completely betray the original, they can shamelessly exploit its good name and reputation, that's all well and good. In my mind the original will hold true and be its own property and the only disgrace that sticks will be to the producers, writer, and director of the sequel. One sequel that jumps to mind that exceeds its predecessors by a country mile would be Back to the Future Part III. The scale, humour, and cinematography of Terminator 2 far outstrip the low-budget, stop-motion, gritty, nasty claustrophobia of the original. Mad Max is visually worthless in my view, The Road Warrior is a classic, Thunderdome is pretty interesting and fairly alright, and of course Fury Road is nothing short of a miracle, perhaps the best action movie ever made.
Nooooo don't go there. I'm dreading and hopeful that the Blade Runner sequel will live up to expectations. Prometheus has taught me that such optimism is usually misplaced. Great look but lousy storyline and worse script. (Dear Mr. Scott, no pressure then when it comes to Alien Covenant). Too many seriously bad sequels have already been made. I love when movies leave you wanting more. That's why we have BlueRay and Sky to watch them over again. The last thing anyone needs is a "worse than original sequel".
Proper RoboCop sequel. The Dredd film is not good, it completely missed the satire of the comic and played it dead serious - the comics tone is more akin funnily enough to the original RoboCop.
2046, is so messy but it just takes these bold risks both emotionally and visually that I just find absolutely stunning. Revisit it Mark!!
1:12 so pleased to hear Mark say this.
Oh, the sweet, naive film fans of 2017, thinking that Blade Runner 2049 would be a lifeless cashgrab sequel, unaware of what they had waiting for them.
I'm happy I haven't seen S. Darko.
*****
I have no idea what the " the Tears or Fears Head Over Heels video" is.
I have no sympathy for Warcraft if its entire purpose was to set up a series of sequels. Films should not be series pilots. They should be films. By all means leave possibilities for sequels in their endings, but when you make a film, make it as if it's your last chance to tell a story with those characters.
I don´t really agree with your point on Star Wars. The Force Awakens was intended as a first part of a new trilogy, so therefore, there are going to be a few loose ends that will be tied up in the next 2 movies. Even the original Star Wars, which initially, as I recall, was made as a standalone movie, since Lucas didn´t know if the movie will be a financial success, had a few loose ends.
But, generally speaking, there is a trend in Hollywood, where the first, big blockbuster movie is seen as a potential setup for a new franchise and, therefore, decisions are made that can hurt a movie a lot.
Making it a single standalone movie was never ever possible to do when adapting property like Warcraft. It's impossible, that's like trying to adapt the Silmarillion or the whole Bible into a 2 hour movie.
Mr Peaches Latour What I was trying to explain is that there is a difference between an each movie a setup for a next movie in a big franchise, like most of the Marvel movies in the MCU, and telling a story in a three part arc, a trilogy. In a trilogy there are bound to be story threads that will be resolved in the next 2 movies. I dont agree that only Vaders fate was unresolved......there were other lingering questions such as: the deal between Jaba and Han, what really happened with Obi Wan, the "love triangle" between Luke, Han and Leia, who was the emperor.
While I understand the position, Warcraft is just too big and its lore too vast to make it another way. It was not about setting up sequels for the sake it, you needed those sequels to tell the story in a proper way. Hell, even the 2 hours runtime of the Warcraft movie itself proved to be too narrow for the "first chapter" Duncan wanted to tell, resulting in neck breaking pacing and sloppy character development.
The alternative to this route was trying to cram even more stuff into those 2 hours trying to tell a story with a definitive sense of conclusion and obtaining and even far messier and crappier result.
I am very late to this party, but in 2021 I will answer this question. I am really really worried about the proposed Joker sequel. The first was perfect and Todd Philips doesn't have a great track record for creating particularly excellent sequels
Taxi Driver, I never want a sequel.
Titanic 2
A sequel to district 9 would be epic
samuel brook-williams District 10?
I'm still yet to watch the eight other films in the series.
"loads and loads of responses"
Thelma and Louise 2 would be tricky
Chris F... and icky!
It turns out Brad Pitt was a vampire, and he bit them before they died, coming soon to a theater near you, it's Thelma and Louise 2: Undead Boogaloo
Thelma and Louise - The New Generation!
i would have said honestly.. Unbreakable..
Uselink watch split
that's why i said as in past tense..
Trivia time : Next Shyamalan movie is called "Labor of Love"
Wish granted.
The martian. In the sequel he gets left behind on Venus
I must admit I have wanted to see a sequel to Leon
The Sound Of Music 2 - "The other side of the Mountain - The Puberty Years"
Enough said.....
Wasn’t ET originally planned as a sequel to close encounters
At least 2049 was great!
But Trainspotting 2 just made me depressed that so much time had passed since the original and I was 20 years older
Paddington 2 actually good in it's own right
Boogie Nights 2 would be awesome. It would be great to see how the team has to adapt to an internet era
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind....2
Richard Kelly is talking about an actual Donnie Darko sequel :)
I am terrified of the upcoming Blade Runner reboot, and just pray that Deakins and Villeneuve can compensate for having to watch Ryan Gosling mugging it.
I have just had a thought of having a movie released, then a sequel comes out but is actually the same movie however told from a different perspective. similar to what sliding doors did, but with different characters.
Spud "Boxing?!"
Brilliant.
Seeing Ellie and Grant not married in Jurassic Park 3. Breaks my heart til this day.
I wasn't worried about "The Craft" remake because apparently it's going to be a sequel, but after watching "The Exorcist" tv series that is bassicly a sequel too and how it missunderstood the concept and the universe in which the story takes place, i'm pretty sure i'm gonna hate it. Same thing with "Blair Witch" Sequel/Reboot.
Not a movie but the return of Twin Peaks both excites and worries me. I mean, David Lynch and Mark Frost returned as show runners, so there's a good chance it won't be as patchy as season two. But I'm still a little nervous.
Terminator 2, when even though we're told they smashed the defence grid and destroyed the technology and "no one goes home; no one else comes through" in the original, they find a way to send an even bigger baderer Terminator through - and they make it some Hollywood action splurge (or something) rather than the tight personal horror we had before. They'd probably even find a cameo for Micheal Biehn, despite him being dead. - They could probably make sequels to that for forever on That logic.
why they never had a reservoir dogs sequel is beyond me!
i'd love to see the cast again!
It’s not sequels you should be worried about , it’s remakes .
True Grit is the one that pains me.
I am always weary when it comes to sequels because they are rarely up to snuff. I can't think of many sequels (movies based on the plot of the first movie....which means Star Trek II Wrath of Khan is not really a sequel as such but it was a LOT better then Motion Picture) which were really good or even surprised me in being better than the original. I liked Hellboy II even though it had less Mignola and more del Toro in it. X-Men: Day of Future Past was also pretty great (unfortunately the same cannot be said about the storyline regarding Apocalypse). The Dark Knight was amazing, Toy Story II was also great and I liked Rocky II.
Rumble fish, I am intrigued to what happened to Rusty James when he reached California.
Apparently Colombiana started life as a sequel to Léon...thank goodness that didn't happen!
Hamlet 2? Would you not like to know what happens to the survivors from the first play...
There goes that sauce material again...
If you have a great understanding of your characters and their stories, you stand a real chance. Like Before Sunrise, it was one of these I-so-want-to-revisit-them yet if-you-did- you'd-ruin-it kinds of thing. But they nailed it and that is also why Guardians of the Galaxy 2 worked. Or Aliens. Or look no further than the ending dinner sequence of Godfather II and how that wraps up the tragedy by going to the beginning once again.
Re Dredd: I would cheerfully watch a Judge Anderson film.
A sequel to Dredd would hardly be turned into an expanded Universe given the source material
John Carpenter's Starman though a sequel would probably ruin it
I'd be interested in a videodrome sequel, but it would be awful now that it's been so long.
No kermode uncut for john hurt?
Boy do I wish I liked Close Encounters. I just don't care about anyone in the movie, so nothing is at stake for me.
if anyone can mary poppins its Emily Blunt.
Pulp fiction had plenty of room for a sequel and prequel
Technically aren't all Tarantino fans sequels or prequels?
Unbreakable
I'd like a sequel to TURKEY SHOOT(ESCAPE 2000). Where the surviving heroes over throw the evil government.
Personally, 2046 > In the Mood for Love
I want a sequel to End of Days where it is set in new years eve 2999.
ET was the sequel to CE3K.
Ive always wanted a prequel to the usual suspects, a movie that Would focus on keyser soze, and how he rose up to become the boogey man of the criminal world
Now that technology has advanced to the level it has, and that the appropriate level of irony has permeated the culture, could it be time for a HOWARD THE DUCK sequel/reboot? The original comic is pretty dark and interesting...
jedaaa Hollywood might not have the balls, but perhaps a more indie approach a la Linklater or Aaronofsky could be intriguing...
Groundhog Day. Just re-release it with different titles. Not my joke, but funny...
I would like to see the sequel to Seven. But, with both characters, Broken detective Mills, disillusioned Somerset, and a copy cat serial killer. Even darker than the original.
Call it H8te
Bladerunner! Yes I'm aware of 2049 coming soon!
Not that Anthony Quinn...
Harold and Maude follow up with a switch where Harold dates a younger girl. Oh wait there's no longer the charm of the original, it's just creepy.
I want a sequel to Spider-Man ...wait, hear me out!! A Spider-Man movie which DOESN'T regress and reboot the series again , but instead has the story set after high school and into Peter Parker's adult life. Stop sending us back to a tiny handful of 60s comics and move on!!
Always concidered Nanny McPhee films as stepsequels of Mary Poppins.
American Psycho 2 was a terrible idea and a terrible film. Hellbound: Hellraiser and Hellraiser 2 were great, H2 being my favourite. But after that, the films went down hill in every possible way. 2010: Odyssey 2 was a great sequel, and though more conventional in the way the story was told than 2001: A Space Odyssey, it serves as a great counter balance, while arguably being closer to the kind of story Arthur C Clarke (who appears in the film) wanted to tell. I'd love to see the remaining Odyssey films made.
I don't give a flying fuzz about sequels. They can completely betray the original, they can shamelessly exploit its good name and reputation, that's all well and good. In my mind the original will hold true and be its own property and the only disgrace that sticks will be to the producers, writer, and director of the sequel.
One sequel that jumps to mind that exceeds its predecessors by a country mile would be Back to the Future Part III. The scale, humour, and cinematography of Terminator 2 far outstrip the low-budget, stop-motion, gritty, nasty claustrophobia of the original. Mad Max is visually worthless in my view, The Road Warrior is a classic, Thunderdome is pretty interesting and fairly alright, and of course Fury Road is nothing short of a miracle, perhaps the best action movie ever made.
Nooooo don't go there.
I'm dreading and hopeful that the Blade Runner sequel will live up to expectations.
Prometheus has taught me that such optimism is usually misplaced. Great look but lousy storyline and worse script. (Dear Mr. Scott, no pressure then when it comes to Alien Covenant).
Too many seriously bad sequels have already been made.
I love when movies leave you wanting more. That's why we have BlueRay and Sky to watch them over again. The last thing anyone needs is a "worse than original sequel".
Samurai cop 2..
Knowing 2.
Never heard of S. Darko.
Lucky you.
S.darko
The Matrix sequels just took the sixth-form philosophy and anime-inspired dorkery of the first one to its logical conclusion, it was always rubbish.
District 9
Dredd rox. Brought to you by Shit Kola.
No Country For Old Men sequel would be good, after the very abrupt ending
Hmm. No.
Blade runner please no cult for reason any one else
Proper RoboCop sequel. The Dredd film is not good, it completely missed the satire of the comic and played it dead serious - the comics tone is more akin funnily enough to the original RoboCop.
Judge Dredd was based on (Dirty) Harry Callahan.
Beer fest. They have to defend their title
Jaws 5.
I want a Warcraft sequel so bad. God damn cheapskate gamers pirating the movie instead of paying to watch it.
Independance Day 3.
Stop with the typing noise already! It's driving me MAD!
why can't British people pronounce "boogie" correctly? you don't say "Buuk" do you? Her'e is an exercise to practice. Book. Book-E. Boogie.
It's our language. The way we pronounce it, that's the right way.
2046, is so messy but it just takes these bold risks both emotionally and visually that I just find absolutely stunning. Revisit it Mark!!