I feel like Splatoon 3 is the exception here, they’ve confirmed that it will have all the weapons from Splatoon 2 on release and more, and it actually has significant differences like the Squid Roll, as well as fixing some of the problems with Splatoon 2 like the boring special-spam meta with completely redesigned specials.
@@jumpyman9754 sry but no.just no that ain’t true do you realize that completely changing the whole game weapon abilities doesn’t need a new game,just…UUGGHHHH it does work like that lol
I think Splatoon gets a pass because you can tell the developers actually care. It’s basically a live service game as is. They also actually change balance stuff in patches. Everything else feels really, really soulless though.
@@ltsACroissant well if they don't have enough time there is two ways it could go 1. It's really buggy with low fps 2. The weapons are really unbalanced and it's a fun time
Okay, as a Splatoon veteran from day one, I'm gonna say that Splatoon 3 already looks vastly different from the other installments. The issue is the marketing is making it hard for new players to see the difference. The game has new movement mechanics, new maps, a new hub world, new story, new weapons, all sorts of content that can't be added to splatoon 2 post launch. It's gonna be a whole new experience. But nintendo is bad at making that clear in the trailers. Also, I'm okay with Splatoon specifically being part of the whole "continual updates" formula, since it's fundamentally an online multiplayer game. We need updates for new weapons and balance tweaking constantly or else the game will be an unbalanced boring mess. Meta changes are required to happen if they want it to be a real competitive experience. I'd argue it's not the same as Mario Strikers not having all the characters at launch, because that game is way simpler.
Also day one player, I will agree Splatoon marketing is "eeh", at least in my opinion. Like if you show squid people shooting with 2 frames of story mode for most "first look" trailers (which those who don't care for constant news will only see) people will think it is the same game.
This is something that has bothered me for a while, feel like all the games are being released half baked, and then a year later the game feels somewhat finished, but at this point I dont care for the game anymore most likely :(
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 The problem with that strategy is that most of the time you don't know which games are going to be making "free updates" until it's too late. And by then, the popularity period of that game has already passed. We never had to download "free updates" to make our games semi-playable 5-10 years ago. We were always able to play s full game in a completed state from launch. Animal Crossing New Horizons is definitely the strongest example in this video.
So many amazing franchises have been damaged by this free update approach. Obviously free content is fine, but it's to the point where the games launch feeling super incomplete and disappointing. Then nobody is around to care when the rest of the content comes rolling in slowly. I really hope Splatoon 3 will break the downward spiral that's been happening recently, and that Nintendo will start moving away from this approach in the future. I honestly think free updates are bad for everyone involved. Great video!
I really agree with you, the games wouldn't be bad if it was just complete, and by the time they are done nobody is around and everyone calls it trash because... Well, at the time when it was new... *_It was._* Nintendo should do this approach to Apps like MKT, not on a console system where we should get at least 80% of the game on release, not 40%
Splatoon is really not comparable to those other games imo. The single player, PVE and PVP modes are well fleshed out from release date, and the inclusion of new content over time feels more natural are inconsequential to the quality of the base game.
@@thesavageone8685 a lot of new weapons, sub weapons and ultimates, new story and basically everything that splatoon 2 did, so yes, it did do as much as splatoon 2
@@thesavageone8685 I’d still say it’s early to say anything final on 3 since it’s not even out yet, but even if they didn’t change much gameplay wise, they’re clearly adding a buck ton of new customization, music and other aesthetic elements, which is a huge part of the series identity. But again we won’t really know for sure til it’s closer to release.
Splatoon using this model works not just because they add new weapons and what not, but they also do special events for a period of time as well. Plus its mainly multiplayer, and when they did something kinda big, they did Octo Expansion, which is one of those DLCs that aren't required to have fun the way you were playing originally, but also is a behemoth that costs only $20 if I'm remembering correctly. Pokemon Sword and Shield's DLC is the opposite. Specifically locking most players (those without friends) of content needed to get into more competitive team building, lots of older Pokemon, and some new ones, that SHAPE THE META like Regieleki and Urshifu.
don't forget some new moves in Sw/Sh like Grassy Glide (which is essential for Rillaboom), Poltergeist (which is also essential for any physical ghost-type that are otherwise ass), Dual Wingbeat (unless you're willing to settle for the classic turn-wasting move that is Fly), Flip Turn (for momentum), and nice coverage moves like Triple Axel and Scorching Sands
@@maxjackson4530 the fact that when they asked for money it was a quality dlc, that's great! I hope that if Splatoon 3 has DLC, that it'll hold up to the Octo Expansion's quality. I'm gonna focus on hoping Splatoon 3 is good first though
Great points However I do want to add that we all know if it weren't DLC we wouldve gotten a full-priced, third game with said content. So I guess it's a lesser of two evils :/
The quality is palpable, dude. The new layouts and transitions are slick and all the character sprites you make are more than a treat to see. I really appreciate all the effort you put into these. I have heard many friends looking forward to titles like the ones you brought up and how quickly their enjoyment went away with the amount of content they experienced, so thank you for voicing those concerns!
Splatoon is a weird one because a lot of the changes seem small on the surface but a lot of them are actually massive when you take a closer look. The problem is, the only ones who are actually gonna understand the weight of the seemingly smaller changes are the “hardcore” fans of the games, the ones who played it religiously. A good example was how a lot of people said splatoon 1 and 2 felt too similar, but something as simple as having smaller, more close-quarters maps than the first game was enough to be seen as a defining character trait of the second game to its regular player base. I think this in particular is just a larger problem with splatoon as a whole: unless you religiously follow the series you have no clue what’s going on or what any of it means.
Splatoon is a really fun experience, but the marketing has been pretty poor for all of the games. For the first game, many people passed it off as a fun colorful shooter for kids, and yeah it is, but it’s very lore-heavy. Same with the second game, and due to the marketing for these games, the third game has been brushed off the shoulder by many people. Maybe it’s another shooter, but the characters and story and music really make it fun. You have to be really in for it to understand everything and be as hype as the rest of us lmao
@@ultimaterecoil1136 they didn’t only add new buffs/nerfs and new maps, it’s gonna be mechanically different and that’s what warrants a new game, what would warrant a sequel to S2 to you? without it being on a new console
I feel like the naming is just super confusing. Free dlc would imply that it's optional like paid dlc, but most of the time it's not optional and you need to have it to use online. Free updates implies that there is such a thing as paid updates, which would be annoying. I really wish they would just stick to calling these regular updates instead of free dlc and free updates
Exactly, in the 3DS era, when there's an update available, it says "There's a new update available! Would you like to download?" Not "There's a *_Free_* update available, would you like to download?" Like... _Wdym by _*_free_* 🤨
Free updates are good, however, Nintendo is intentionally realising games half finished, and then promising free updates to get the absolute bare minimum (if we're lucky) for a full priced game.
I remember how Absolutely Furious The Internet was when Princess Daisy was absent from the main roster, but it turns out she's far from the only missing piece from Battle League.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 I mean I was upset. Daisy has been my main since the beginning soooo yeah lol. I just am gonna skip this and play the gamecube one (original) and wii one (charged).
One thing I love about Kirby and the forgotten land: it's finished. It was released in full. DLC may come later, but they only add to what already is a good experience. It's because HAL labs doesn't have that business model and actually wants people to like what they make
In my opinion, splatoon is the one series that actually benefited from updates Edit: I am aware that the first 2 games were extremely rushed and therefore not complete, but the second half of their life actually felt substantial with interesting content, just look at Octo expansion!
Kirby star allies also benefited from the free updates too. The update added three new dream friends and two harder difficulties, one of which is called "Heroes in another dimension."which a lot of people are saying it's the best mode in the game along with soul melter EX.
This "Free Update" practice ruined Animal Crossing: New Horizons. Imo it's the worst in the franchise, it barely has half the content Animal Crossing: New Leaf has. The 3Ds game has more content than a switch game, let that set in. And Nintendo doesn't even have to update New Horizons anymore, they made their money and don't have to finish the game fully. I was hoping AC:NH would be my favorite in the franchise, but it's the worst and I hate it with a passion. (And this is coming from a long time Animal Crossing fanboy!) The fact alot of new fans first game was New Horizons makes me sad. New Horizons had the worst case of the "Free Updates" thing due to the game not being finished at launch and the type of game it is, It's not like the sport games where you get extra characters, this is where we have MISSING FEATURES AT LAUNCH and are getting them through updates that spread throughout a year! I don't care if the updates are free, a $60 game should be finished at launch like the other ones I bought. Even at the state that New Horizons is in, it's still very unfinished and unpolished. I want to love AC:NH, but I can't 💔
@@Dynastone Exactly! How do you remove Retail from us, they couldn't even bother to make buildings for the other shops, they got RV models from the mobile game Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp and reused them for the special characters! Like what 💀😭🤚
Great video but feels you missed out on an extra point: They're not even using this model *consistently* . With all the updates things keep getting, everyone expected Super Mario Party to get updates later on. The number of boards and minigames it had were pretty bad, but surely it'd get updates right? Animal Crossing is!.... but no. Didnt even get proper online multiplayer until the next one was coming out. They cant even do *that* right. They're building low expectations and then not even hitting them sometimes, it makes them look *awful*
ARMS hurts me a lot since it's my favorite game, yet Nintendo left it out to die. There's a bunch of unused modes (and characters) that I know the dev team would've loved to add if Nintendo let them, like Bowling and Soccer... and when thinking of them make the game feel more complete. It's so sad Nintendo canned it so early.
As a huge fan of Nintendo, I am genuinely disappointed at Nintendo for doing these businesses practices. I really hope they stop doing that. Awesome video.
The fact that the mobile Mario Kart Tour gets all the cool stuff while the "big console Mario Kart" on the Switch is just a port of Mario Kart 8 will forever confuse me Ffs,if they're bringing over tracks from Tour, just port the entire game Mario Kart Tour without microtransactions and lootboxes would be incredible
I hadn't even considered the impact of leaving a bad taste, but it really is a shame how even the biggest Animal Crossing fans (in fact, almost *especially* the fans) will look back at New Horizons at an entry that was lackluster at start
its interesting alone to think about and predict what the future 'retrospectives' on new horizons will be. And I truly think a lot of them will hit home that the game really disappointed when compared to other entries in the series
i’ve been a fan of the series since i was a child and have played every game. new horizons is absolute trash. they didn’t even finish the damn game WITH the free updates. new leaf is the last completed entry in the series.
I agree with the sentiment people have been feeling about the recent Mario sports games (arguably the Mario Party games too, but they aren't even being updated), Switch Sports, and so on. It sucks that content-wise the games have been so lacking. Unfortunately, however, people seem to forget that the Mario spinoffs have been in decline (at least on home consoles) since the Wii U (other than Mario Kart 8, which I love aside from its roster). It isn't a new thing for the Switch, it's just that now Nintendo has seen the success of using the update model for Splatoon, Mario Kart, and Smash that now they're trying to do that for all of their multi-player/party games. They seem to not realize that the model works on a case-by-case basis. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate launched with an obscene amount of content already so it wasn't really filling in gaps. It was just seen as more on an already complete game. Splatoon was a new IP, and a shooter at that (a genre which the update model is more expected and common). Since the series was new, there was no previous games to compare it to. So when the original game on Wii U utilized this free update strategy, it wasn't seen as bad since it's not like a Splatoon game released on GameCube or Wii with twice as many maps and gear (as opposed to something like a Mario spinoff). The model works for Splatoon and has been there since day 1. New Horizons, however, I think already released with enough content, but I understand people's frustrations with it.
Yeah, it sucks for people who buy Mario Party Superstar thinking it would get updated and it doesn't. Heck people actually talked about Kirby and the Forgotten Land getting DLC and I laughed. It gives expectations that every game will get dlc when that isn't the case a people get disappointed 😞
I agree with you, and NH did have a bit of content, but there was many setbacks in the game that lead to the entire game itself being pretty bland, people even ditched their islands for years... 2 of the biggest setbacks was the "10 animals per island" (past animal crossing games had more than 10) rule and the "1 Island per switch" (past animal crossing games had multiple towns on the same system) rule, the other minor stuff adds up
New Horizon is already released with 100% of the content, and then they added 50% MORE content (like just look at the new update! It's basically a whole new game!) when most of the player-base already dropped the game, which sucks, because New Horizon is a super great game.
@@derple8524 Maybe you shouldn’t be expecting DLC for every single game that comes out, when it’s not even announced that there will be any to begin with, then?
I’m glad someone is addressing this issue. I played Mario Strikers and Switch Sports for two days at launch and immediately dropped them because there wasn’t enough content to keep me interested. However I think Mario Tennis Aces was pretty bulky at launch still.
The problem that I have with this practice is that the lack of content makes the game feel boring and empty. And then when the game is finally finished with these updates everyone has already moved on because well if they didn’t like it back then why go back to it now? It’s just a stupid way for the game to “last longer” when they ironically last for like a week, I don’t see anyone talking about Switch sports, even I forgot about it.
Actually Kirby star allies was a sole exception. The game was complete and it did have a good amount of content. The problem was that it was too short and too easy. The free update added three new dream friends and two harder difficulties, which are both called "Heroes in another dimension" and "soul melter EX". With these modes people claimed that the game got better, this is one of the only games that truly benefited from the free updates.
This does work though, some of these games do last longer than others that don’t get any updates at all. It’s not stupid, it’s actually a great idea to get people to return to these games.
I don't mind steady, substantial updates like splatoon 2 but when there is like 5 months between each update you lose interest by the time the update comes out
I feel like Arms suffered from it the worst, while also kinda making the most sense. I think the fact that it definitely doesn't have as much to offer compared to Smash and maybe even Pokken, but new characters for free is something that people would like. I think people just didn't like ARMS on a gameplay basis, which kinda sucks since i kinda love everything about ARMS
I gotta be honest, Animal Crossing New Horizons is one of my least favorite video games. Partially because it removed content from the original games and took a while to bring them back, but, like, no one is going to be excited to see old stuff that people discovered in the original games on their own unceremoniously blatantly added to the game. All of the little new stuff was so poorly designed and implemented. If you like thus game, that's great, but I feel like because of this game, Animal Crossing will never be the same again...
Ok, so If I'm not getting this wrong, you care that much about old items to make Animal Crossing your LEAST favorite game because they don't have it on release and added back gradually? So you hate this game because it uses this somewhat annoying business practice?
@@RGC_animation Because the practice is annoying. I got into New Leaf on 3DS and I got New Horizons at release. I was met with a walking simulator with some pizazz. I could talk to a villager... and a different villager I just talked to said the same dialouge. I can dream of gyroids. A stable of Animal Crossing, being added in over a year after release. And I dropped the game by the summer of 2020 due to how boring it is. That's how I will always remember it. Incomplete, and not as fun as New Leaf.
@@luginess0 Yeah that's because Animal Crossing isn't a villager talking simulator, it's about building your island. Everyone agrees that the villager in New Horizons are so boring, no question asked, but does your whole enjoyment of New Leaf come from talking to villagers?
@@RGC_animation No, it's from all the fun things. Starting the game everyday to see what new stuff has happened on my island. Making some public works projects, getting items, paying for more house.
What worries me the most is that if we want to play these games in like 15 years, all the content they added after release will be lost to time forever
Sorry I’m not too familiar with how this works, but wouldn’t people who have downloaded it still have the content? Is your point that if someone who wanted to buy it used in 15 years doesn’t have the ability to download the updates?
Thank you for finally talking about one of the biggest problems with Nintendo right now. I don't really see many people talking about this large problem. It's mainly the reason why I stopped playing Animal Crossing because there wasn't much to do compared to New Leaf. It stopped me from getting Switch Sports because it had less content than Resort that was on the Wii. I'm sick of paying $60 every month or 2 just for a lackluster experience that is worse than previous games in a series. It honestly makes me scared for the future of new games that Nintendo will release.
same, I absolutely adore the series but as soon as I was done with my animal crossing 300 hour video I immediately lost all interest in playing it and since have just kept attempting to get back into it.
true i’ve basically grown up with nintendo my whole life and it brought so much joy to me back then but now it just isn’t doing it for me and i’m so worried that it’ll never change
@@korN72 I don't think Kirby and the Forgotten Land suffers from this. I like how the Kirby series (as far as I know) has been able to escape things other franchises have suffered from. For example: Star allies. Granted I got the game way after everything was added, but I'm pretty sure all the gamemodes were still there and each free DLC was more of an update that added both characters and changes.
8:20 The moment you showed New Leaf, I felt weird. I felt the desire to pick up my 3DS in excitement again, but upset, because the game has been buried by one they didn't even bother to finish at least 50% before publishing it. It's honestly so sad. The memories of playing in Winter, Spring, and Autumn feel great, but NH, my best memories were of the launch Spring, it honestly helped during the first month of you-know-what, and also this night in Summer where I stayed up until 4am and randomly decided to boot it up after doing a full-run of Metal Slug X. My NL memories are more vast, and colourful
I personally feel like with some cases, the idea works and genuinely feels like "Hey, we want to expand this world and what you can do." To me, Splatoon 1 and 2 does it well. Offering new means to play, different meta changing weapons, all kinda of stuff. But then there are other cases like say, Switch Sports. Golf has been in every Wii Sports related game, and now we gotta wait till the Fall for it. To me, the approach does have it's times where it works, but other times it does become an issue. So long as I had fun with the game, I won't regret it too much, but that's just me.
Honestly, I don't even care if golf is not in the game at launch, I'm fine with waiting. But I know that, even with golf and other updates, switch sport will still be lacking a lot of content compared to wii sport ressort.
I think SSBU is one case where DLC works. Granted it's paid DLC and the balance updates + events are separate, but it still works. Everyone was extremely hyped to see what the next DLC fighter was. My goodness, just look at the sans MII GUNNER COSTUME reveal.
I love it when people talk about this. However I know, I've seen the comments but they're right. Spaltoon is an exception. That works well in context of the games world. New products and music are made every day in the real world. The reason it doesn't work in Animal Crossing and Mario Sports is because there is no excuse other than corporate greed. There's no excuse for thousands od items to be missing from Animal Crossing after launch and even after all updates have been released. And as for Mario Sports, we have had an unbeleieve amount of options in prior games but now they're taking away something we had access to 15 years earlier for zero reason. There's also the fact of legacy. Once the servers for these games go offline you will never be able to access this content ever again. What are the people who are interested in retro Nintendo games supposed to do then? It's because of this exact reason I haven't bought any game with this release strategy since last year. As soon as I heard Mario Golf was doing it I was fed up and done with this terrible business practice and only bought finished games like Kirby and Pokémon.
Uh… hate to break it to you, but Pokémon does this too. Sword and Shield, BDSP and Legends: Arceus had content missing that was introduced at a later date. Sword and Shield’s DLC cost 30 extra dollars too.
@@almightysinnoh You're forgetting these games were complete experiences. These updates weren't as big as adding 50% of a character roster and stages like Mario Tennis and Golf.
Feels weird that Kirby star Allies went unmentioned. It felt like the first big game besides arms that released basically unfinished and without much quality or content to make up for it. As a Kirby game it was boring since the level design was well below par because they wanted to focus on the multiplayer, unlike forgotten land which I hear was actually really fun
Personally, I like Star Allies. Yeah, the main campaign is kinda blah but what keeps me coming back is playing around with those new dream friends and what not.
imo Kirby Star Allies already had solid amount of content, the updates only added old characters (which are almost all OP by the way lol), a new difficulty for the boss rush mode and a new mode. People might find the game bad because of its level design (I don't) but the game still had a fair amount of content. Everyone loves Forgotten Land, but I personally didn't like it and it may be my least favorite Kirby Game, sure the 3D is new but in exchange of it we only had 10 (+ Crash (single-use ability) and Sleep which isn't even a real ability) powers where Star Allies had 23 (+ Crash, Festival (single-use), Sleep (still not an ability) and Cook (single-use for Kirby, whole gameplay for allies) and 3 dream friends at launch, with 10 others added with free updates, which makes 37 (+ Crash, Festival and Sleep) gameplays in the game. Forgotten land was very restrictive (e.g. can't skip stairs by flying cause they limited the flying height) sure the game is in 3D and needs a little bit of challenge but the others where platformers too and you still could fly as high and as long as you wanted, player two playing Bandana Dee with one of the most boring gameplays they could've made ("B, B, B, repeat", "Dash-B (/Dash Jump B, they're the same), miss, repeat", "hold B, fly, press B again, repeat" and "tackle, A, B" (which doesn't deal damage)) while Kirby gets overpowered upgrades, I played as both Bandana Dee and Kirby, Kirby was fine but Bandana Dee was really frustrating, seeing Kirby anihilate anything while I struggled to do one B B B combo without getting hit because of the end lag. Kirby's abilities were really restricted too, most of them being "B B B", "Dash B" and "Dash Jump B" only or even just "B", the mini-bosses are just meatsacks that you just end up taking damages by touching them cause most of your attacks causes you to move forward. All this to say that Kirby Star Allies wasn't that empty (I literally have 75+ hours on the game cause I did every guest star mode with every ally, where I have less than 20 hours on Forgotten Land)
I'm so glad HAL labs didn't take the same "free dlc" approach that star allies did with the forgotten land and actually released the full game at launch, I WOULD say it gives me hope for future games but HAL is separate from Nintendo so I'm not sure... anyways as a hardcore kirby fan I enjoyed the forgotten land much more than star allies. 90% of star allies' content came from replaying the dream friend game mode over and over just with new characters, which I found really boring IMO. Its definitely a lot more fun playing together with friends, but clearly was not made with singleplayer in mind... meanwhile the forgotten land has a pretty long campaign as well as a second one after you finish the main game, plus lots of fun minigames
Not gonna lie, I litterly just discovered your channel today but I already love the content, especially the videos that are pretty well written dives into subjects about gaming while also being not dragged out for too long and having a charming art style and some good animation.
Can't really complain about Splatoon. The story mode looks exciting, we can expect a new mode like salmon run was when it wasn't a thing in splatoon 1. Hopefully we get some kind of future dlc (which is different from future updates) and they launch the game with a good amount of content to be playable when it releases. The updates are usually to get people excited for new content and polish stuff (not make people hope there's gonna be more content than there should've been.) And we there's gonna be things that change up the gameplay (in a way that doesn't ruin it)
Just some of my thoughts on the topic With Splatoon 2 the problem wasn't the "add more content in free updates later" thing, it was that main weapons that were present in Splatoon 1 weren't in Splatoon 2 at launch (such as inkbrush and bamboozler). Nintendo has confirmed however that all main weapons are coming back at launch so this will not be a repeating issue. Splatoon 3 is seemingly missing a hook however (a functionally different argument from saying Splatoon 3 looks too similar to Splatoon 2 in terms of gameplay), and I do hope we get some sort of crazy reveal that proves to be the hook I can't really comment on Mario Tennis or Golf since I didn't get those. Animal Crossing I didn't really mind it since it was my first Animal Crossing game and it gave me a reason to revisit the game. Nintendo Switch Sports, I don't really think the game's incomplete, I think people are just wanting to judge it largely off of nostalgia blindness. Whether we like it or not Miis haven't been a big part of Nintendo's branding seeing as their inclusion in games has been much, much more slim. We may miss this time period, but calling Switch Sports bad because it doesn't satisfy our nostalgia is a bit unfair. The sportsmates are cute and very expressive (though they could use some more facial customizations so everyone doesn't look the same), and the environments are brimming with detail and life. Not to mention HD development takes way more resources than before, so we can't really expect as many sports as Resort had. Nintendo Switch Sports fulfills its role as an easy to pick up party game; is it perfect? No, it could certainly benefit from options like doubles badminton or manually selecting a tennis court, but by any objective metric Wii Sports and wii sports resort aren't that impressive either, we essentially developed Nostalgia blindness to a tech demo (I have a lot of Nostalgia towards it, too). I also can't really comment on Strikers since I didn't get it, but if they're only adding characters, it's probably not going to fix the problems with the game and the amount of content it provides (same would go for Tennis and Golf if applicable)
Kirby and the Forgotten land felt so fresh and complete and I loved it! This game is an example of what Nintendo should do more often. Edit: HAL makes the kirby games. Nintendo publishes them. Nintendo should follow what the kirby games do.
That was HAL. Nintendo does work with this company, but HAL made the game (and all of the Kirby franchise) not Nintendo. And hey star allies was complete too, yes it was too short and too easy, but it had a good amount of content, plus the REAL free updates(Heroes in another dimension,and Soul melter EX,with magolor, taranza and suzie), made the game better, and I might even say it even save the game, because a lot of people loved it now.
for real. When I got Splatoon 2, what made me HOOKED was the fact that everything was there. I fell off Splatoon 3 so quickly because all it had that was actually new was the campaign. I'm planning to not play the game until multiple large updates come out
I secretly hope that somehow, someway, Sean Murray was watching this video casually and out of nowhere he saw his name on screen and heard Madz scream it and praise him, completely catching him off guard
I have to admit, there were a few times where the DLC problem was sort of fun, a good example of this is Kirby Star Allies. Sure it suffered the "DLC later problem", but it was fun theorizing about what DLC characters would come next.
Actually more like Kirby star allies was an exception to the DLC problem, it was already a completed game and it had a good amount of content. The problem was it was just too short and too easy, the free DLC was Heroes in another dimension, Soul melter EX, and three new dream friends: Taranza, Magolor, and Susie. These two modes actually had a decent amount of challenge, ESPECIALLY the final bosses of each mode. I truly enjoyed the game and I recommend it to anyone who is a casual Kirby fan and kids.
Yeah…I think Kirby star allies was pretty much finished and it was fun to speculate about the characters coming similar to smash in a way. Even in an interview the director said that heroes in another dimension was just originally extra levels in world 4 that the player could do after beating the main story, implying that it was a dlc and not missing content
I haven't even bothered with anything past animal crossing because when animal crossing was new, I didn't know what was going on. With everything else? It felt far more offensive after I learned what was actually happening. I haven't even picked up a new switch game in months. Maybe even half a year at least. I've been too busy with stuff on steam or Gog to really care what Nintendo is doing anymore. They're just not the same.
I think one game that should have been discussed in this video, is Mario Maker 2, because it's final free update allowed you to make worlds. When you step back and think about it, that would have been an amazing bit of marketing to the game. Mario Maker 1 allowed you to create levels, but with Mario Maker 2, you can create ENTIRE WORLDS!
Mario Maker 2 was perfectly fine (although a bit sad they stopped supporting it after just 1 year), however, Mario Maker 1 was the prime example of this, SMM released as an unfinished game, and they slowly added items 1 by 1 every week to make a complete game.
@@RGC_animation The initial "trickle" was actually all in the game at launch, you could just set your wii u's clock forward by a week at a time to get it all on launch. (No goddamn clue why they did this.) It did launch without checkpoints, though, which was a big bruh moment.
The sad part is that even Nintendo's third parties are guilty of pulling this "minimal viable product" mindset. Pokemon Sword and Shield for example, claiming that there were technical limitations to include all old Pokemon in the game... then paywalling them behind paid expansions, and finally still leaving several Pokemon behind anyways. There were very few technical changes needed to add a new Pokemon into the code, most of the heavy lifting had been done all the way since X and Y!
Now that Splatoon 3 has been out for a while i can safely say that it's a complete game at launch that changes and improves a lot of things from Splatoon 2.
Good video, though I gotta say I don't agree with your Splatoon 3 argument. They've made it clear that all weapons are returning, some which aren't even that good are getting buffs and adding more to mobility with squid surge etc, that alone is great but you're also forgetting the story and lore in the game, all of this on top of new weapons being added with gimmicks and existing weapons getting plenty of variety, and that's just the battle mechanics, weapons and story, let's not even get into how much customisation options there are. Other than that bad point I agree with your video, I just wanna buy a game and get most of the good the previous entries had.
This is a fantastic take, really highlights all the issues. Part of me wants to say "somebody should send this to Nintendo" but I'm also a little concerned they'd somehow get the _wrong_ lesson from this and miss the point entirely... with the way they've been operating in recent times, I actually wouldn't put it past them to do that 😰
While I agree that it can be annoying at times to have these free dlc updates, I actually kind of think it’s for the better. They only do it for small arcade-like games. The kind that you would normally pick up and play every once in a while, often with friends. Problem is that these games can get old really fast. The new content, while very small, gives people a reason to go back. It definitely feels like this has become more of an excuse though, looking at the minimal characters in Mario Strikers. And the gradual updates of Animal Crossing New Horizons was definitely a terrible decision.
I’d argue new horizons would have been PERFECT if it wasn’t for the pandemic because the updates would have been more frequent with more stuff and players wouldn’t have played hundreds of hours and gotten bored so fast if it wasn’t for the pandemic
I feel like what sets splatoon different from the other games that released an incomplete game was that they made the game a 'complete game' very fast and the content we had was so different that we didnt even think twice about "what is this mystery rank mode?" I remember playing the game a a day or two after release and there was only 6 courses and turf war with the only weapons being splatershot, roller, and basic charger, but the difference is that by the end of that week they quickly introduced ranked and many more weapons. At that point the game could have gotten no more updates and while it would be a very basic game, it didn't feel incomplete and everything else was a new bonus. "OH MY GOODNESS A NEW WEAPON CLASS??? WHAT THE HECK IS A BUCKET" but for a game like animal crossing new horizons it wasn't like they gave something that seemed like a complete game and was like "ok brb were gonna get even more things to add to this." Its was more like "ok we only have so much content and we need to ration it out like we're rationing food through the great depression" When I played the game I made it a few months in before sitting there like "...this isn't fun, it feels like a chore to play" and dropped it and never went back and I hate that that's probably going to be the norm of games now since all these games are selling so well. Essentially, just release something that feels like a whole game when it comes out and not after 3 years.
I'm a GameCube kid, and while I appreciate Nintendo's earlier games due to nostalgia, the amount of content at launch across generations is roughly equal. The difference is that free content updates have allowed for glitches to be patched out, additional content to be released, and unfortunately the ability for other developers to collect extra money from players. This results in older games being 100% complete forever, and newer games potentially being 100% complete at launch and even more complete after updates and DLC launch. I hope that Nintendo (and other developers, for that matter) use these updates correctly and provide games more complete than games released before the ability to update software.
i love animal crossing as a franchise and i love animal crossing new horizons, honestly. i think making the game have so much freedom when it came to island customization was such a great idea and adding in crafting was an even better one, but i CANNOT for the life of me open the game back up. i just feel so burnt out when it comes to it and i think the fact that nintendo held back alot of what was considered cruicial and monumental in the previous games as new "DLC" is apart of that feeling. what upsets me even more is that nintendo literally HAD THE CODE for things like brewsters IN THE MAIN GAME ALREADY but they just decided to release it A YEAR LATER and it overall just makes me feel really sad :(
I feel like another thing to note is that a lot of the games that suffered from these updates have issues even with all of the updates added, they still feel like mediocre games even with all the added content, and I feel like games such as Mario Golf: Super Rush were kind of doomed from the start, seeing how the Camelot Mario Sports games have been handled in the Wii U and 3DS era.
What??? No splatoon is a completely different scenario here, the new content keeps the game fresh through its lifecycle and changes the meta of battle, the devs can do their work balancing out the weapons and stuff after release and throughout the games life, splatoon is a specific type of game, its on an online multiplayer shooter, that HOW games in that genre work... you cant put it in this argument.
Miyamoto: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." Nintendo now: Oh crap the deadlines soon well lets release it anyways.
Out of the ‘incomplete games at release’ examples, I’ve only purchased Animal Crossing. I don’t regret doing so and that game really REALLY came out at the perfect moment. However, New Horizons was my first and only Animal Crossing game I’ve played (and I assume that was the case for a lot of ppl considering the sales numbers), so all the missing content from previous entries didn’t bother me because I didn’t have any expectations in the first place. I definitely agree with you that this sort of ‘release now, update later’ should only be reserved for new IPs, tho I think they should stop doing it outright because in the future those games will not be able to be updated and they will be stuck in their earliest unfinished forms for anyone who gets them after.
I will never understand the resentment for turf war looking similar between 2 and 3. Like... of course they're the same basic mode, its like the wonder bread of the series lolol. If you're worried about splatoon 3, just know that they will most definitely show new stuff in the next 2 month before the release :)
I agree I hate that Nintendo does this after I buy the game I play it for like a week then I get burnt out then an update gets realesed and it’s really hard for me to get back into it
Hot take; I’m actually fine with Nintendo releasing games early, they just need to stop marketing them as finished games cause they aren’t finished. Game developers in general probably should be more open about the process of making games. Only going out of their way to remove spoilers
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It really feels like Nintendo is forgetting how to just make full game experiences then move onto the next thing. They make games not until they’re done, but until they’re marketable, then they keep that game into a death grip of relevancy to keep players playing
What makes this model the worst is something the Splatoon 1 dev team said in an interview after the game was well and done. They said that the entire game (including ALL free updates) were done by the time the game first launched in 2015. And they did the free dlc model to maintain interest long term as they continually balanced a new style of game. That way if the game was busted at launch in a different way (like it was - the 1.0 balance was SO SHIT), *that* wouldn't be what left a sour taste in peoples mouths. That kind of model doesn't work with the existing franchises like the Mario Sports games for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Great video: 10/10
Love the video and animation so much! Everytime a different game was talked about, your character changed slightly which I find so creative. Madz, it truly shows how much care you put into your videos and animations. Again awesome vid!
I feel like splatoon 3 is going well. Not only are they bringing every weapon from old games and they ALREADY have shown some new stuff is pretty good. (Let's hope single player is good)
I really miss the times where when a game came out and... IT HAD TO BE ACTUALLY FINISHED!😂🥲 Again a wonderful video Mads, you share so many of my own opinions, so it's always a joy seeing you talk about topics like this. Your visuals are super engaging to look at, and the structure and flow lf the videos are always on point! Keep doing you Mads, we'll be watching🙌☺️
Yeah the internet seems to have really fucked gaming Sure it’s good for some fevers like FPS’s since you have online multiplayer but it’s too easy for developers to just change and add things so it makes them lazy and greedy
I personally like Mario Karts new DLC, I mean adding new DLC to a game I thought was finished got me back to playing it with all these new tracks. I think if they at least finished a game then did something like that then I’d prefer it. I also hope Daisy is in Strikers and I hope that bit about Breath of the Wild 2 is not true. 🤔😭 But yeah this practice of theirs sucks, but to be fair it gives me more reason to wait for them to go on sale, just less money for Nintendo from me though. 🤔:p
The main time I would say that free dlc is ok is when the game is already bulky enough without it. If you play Monster Hunter, most people are fine with their title update structure every few months adding a few new monsters. This is because Monster Hunter games typically have tons of content with free dlc being a hook to get people to come back and for replay value in the future so there's more content if you wish to replay the game.
They modeled an entire sports center the size of Breath of the Wild and they don’t let us explore it. I really badly want them to add that for some reason
I'll forgive the Splatoon games for this since they add substantial updates on a regular basis, the other ones are unforgivable though and I have skipped many of these titles due to it. I wanted to play the new Strikers but i wasn't buying it with no Daisy in it, she's my favorite Mario character and 100% should have been there at launch
I feel like their approach to Animal Crossing was good enough because at the begging being able to craft, terraform and decorate your whole island with a huge amount of furniture that weren't in the previous game was enough of a novelty. What I think they did very wrong was the rate at which the updates were released. They took several months just to add diving again or the dream suite (kinda) and some holidays here and there. I took one year and a half to get the huge update that actually elevated the game to the same level as New Leaf, but for a lot of people that was, understandably, too late. It should've taken half a year or at least done by Christmas 2020. When they actually did it, most people had enough of the game already.
I remember watching the Mario Strikers Battle League trailer the day it came out and knew it was going to be very lackluster. It's as though it was stripped of everything that made it fun. I simply don't understand how Nintendo can fumble the bag so hard. Nintendo's focus should be on quality not quantity.
I think my main issue with these types of games is, lets say in 10/20 years the switch gets discontinued and the servers go down then a lot of these games are probably gonna remain incomplete. Like what you said in the video, they should be on par so at least when they go down I can still get an enjoyable experience.
There was a time where I got defensive over hearing slander on Mario sports games for the Switch. After defending both Tennis and Golf, I got to the point of jumping ship with having to back up my enjoyment for Strikers. I think it's clear to see that free updates has shot Nintendo in the foot. On paper, it's fun to think about the concept of adding extra goodies to sports games and keeping up their relevance. In practice, though, this only makes the games fade off quickly due to having players wait to get content that more often than not should have been in the game at launch. For the record, I maintain an enjoyment for the Mario sports games; I think that they're quite fun, if not definitive installments. I trust that a baseball game is on the horizon, and it will probably follow the free updates formula to the chagrin of fans yet again. That'll be an experience... Not bad, GetMadz.
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What we mean: Stop releasing incomplete games.
What they hear: Stop giving us free content.
I feel like Splatoon 3 is the exception here, they’ve confirmed that it will have all the weapons from Splatoon 2 on release and more, and it actually has significant differences like the Squid Roll, as well as fixing some of the problems with Splatoon 2 like the boring special-spam meta with completely redesigned specials.
I still think there isn’t a substantial reason for a sequel. We already have a shooter like that releasing this year, and it’s gonna be free
@@jumpyman9754 what shooter are you talking about?
@@jumpyman9754 sry but no.just no that ain’t true do you realize that completely changing the whole game weapon abilities doesn’t need a new game,just…UUGGHHHH it does work like that lol
No. Splatoon 3 is basically Splatoon 2 all over again. Oh wow. New maps, new weapons, new... specials... and that's it.
@@nickk3077 SQUID ROLL
I think Splatoon gets a pass because you can tell the developers actually care. It’s basically a live service game as is. They also actually change balance stuff in patches.
Everything else feels really, really soulless though.
I'm just worried they won't finish the game honestly
Yeah, I love splatoon, honestly It has so much life in it, but everything else is a disaster
@@ltsACroissant well if they don't have enough time there is two ways it could go
1. It's really buggy with low fps
2. The weapons are really unbalanced and it's a fun time
@@sauceboss9797 I think it would make story mode bad..? which would suck
@@failbuster6468 Okay nice reply, but much nicer profile picture. YW3 needed more love.
Okay, as a Splatoon veteran from day one, I'm gonna say that Splatoon 3 already looks vastly different from the other installments. The issue is the marketing is making it hard for new players to see the difference. The game has new movement mechanics, new maps, a new hub world, new story, new weapons, all sorts of content that can't be added to splatoon 2 post launch. It's gonna be a whole new experience. But nintendo is bad at making that clear in the trailers.
Also, I'm okay with Splatoon specifically being part of the whole "continual updates" formula, since it's fundamentally an online multiplayer game. We need updates for new weapons and balance tweaking constantly or else the game will be an unbalanced boring mess. Meta changes are required to happen if they want it to be a real competitive experience. I'd argue it's not the same as Mario Strikers not having all the characters at launch, because that game is way simpler.
Also day one player, I will agree Splatoon marketing is "eeh", at least in my opinion. Like if you show squid people shooting with 2 frames of story mode for most "first look" trailers (which those who don't care for constant news will only see) people will think it is the same game.
@@Tinco651 reminds me of flounder heights in the story trailer
Overwatch 2.
@@uriel134xdd2 That has literally nothing to do with what I just said.
@@uriel134xdd2 Nice opinion. Unfortunately, your mother.
This is something that has bothered me for a while, feel like all the games are being released half baked, and then a year later the game feels somewhat finished, but at this point I dont care for the game anymore most likely :(
It is in-fact a sad gamer moment :(
@@GetMadz Just don’t buy the games at launch if you think they’re gonna end up like that. That’s what I do and I enjoy them much more.
Like honestly I'm starting to play more on the ps
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 The problem with that strategy is that most of the time you don't know which games are going to be making "free updates" until it's too late. And by then, the popularity period of that game has already passed. We never had to download "free updates" to make our games semi-playable 5-10 years ago. We were always able to play s full game in a completed state from launch. Animal Crossing New Horizons is definitely the strongest example in this video.
Mario sports mix on the Wii shows what sports games should have but these switch games miss the mark
So many amazing franchises have been damaged by this free update approach. Obviously free content is fine, but it's to the point where the games launch feeling super incomplete and disappointing. Then nobody is around to care when the rest of the content comes rolling in slowly. I really hope Splatoon 3 will break the downward spiral that's been happening recently, and that Nintendo will start moving away from this approach in the future. I honestly think free updates are bad for everyone involved. Great video!
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Yeah i hope so, and i think so because they said its gonna have as many modes as the other games with more additions
Thanks so much dude! Really appreciate the watch :]
I really agree with you, the games wouldn't be bad if it was just complete, and by the time they are done nobody is around and everyone calls it trash because... Well, at the time when it was new... *_It was._* Nintendo should do this approach to Apps like MKT, not on a console system where we should get at least 80% of the game on release, not 40%
@@luckywii8731 the games mostly arent that bad but they lack ambition and most importantly content
Splatoon is really not comparable to those other games imo. The single player, PVE and PVP modes are well fleshed out from release date, and the inclusion of new content over time feels more natural are inconsequential to the quality of the base game.
Yeah but not really alot of new things compared to Splatoon 2
@@thesavageone8685 a lot of new weapons, sub weapons and ultimates, new story and basically everything that splatoon 2 did, so yes, it did do as much as splatoon 2
Those things sound like most could be free dlc. Also we need really big changes especially if it is on the same console.
@@thesavageone8685 I’d still say it’s early to say anything final on 3 since it’s not even out yet, but even if they didn’t change much gameplay wise, they’re clearly adding a buck ton of new customization, music and other aesthetic elements, which is a huge part of the series identity. But again we won’t really know for sure til it’s closer to release.
@@adriahrin3284 not impressed when they probably just updated splatoon 2. It's not like they started over from scratch.
Splatoon using this model works not just because they add new weapons and what not, but they also do special events for a period of time as well.
Plus its mainly multiplayer, and when they did something kinda big, they did Octo Expansion, which is one of those DLCs that aren't required to have fun the way you were playing originally, but also is a behemoth that costs only $20 if I'm remembering correctly.
Pokemon Sword and Shield's DLC is the opposite. Specifically locking most players (those without friends) of content needed to get into more competitive team building, lots of older Pokemon, and some new ones, that SHAPE THE META like Regieleki and Urshifu.
don't forget some new moves in Sw/Sh like Grassy Glide (which is essential for Rillaboom), Poltergeist (which is also essential for any physical ghost-type that are otherwise ass), Dual Wingbeat (unless you're willing to settle for the classic turn-wasting move that is Fly), Flip Turn (for momentum), and nice coverage moves like Triple Axel and Scorching Sands
I like that you brought up Octo Expansion mostly because it was an addition that you had to pay with real money to get.
@@goGothitaLOL I forgot about that! Great point
@@maxjackson4530 the fact that when they asked for money it was a quality dlc, that's great! I hope that if Splatoon 3 has DLC, that it'll hold up to the Octo Expansion's quality. I'm gonna focus on hoping Splatoon 3 is good first though
Great points
However I do want to add that we all know if it weren't DLC we wouldve gotten a full-priced, third game with said content.
So I guess it's a lesser of two evils :/
The quality is palpable, dude. The new layouts and transitions are slick and all the character sprites you make are more than a treat to see. I really appreciate all the effort you put into these.
I have heard many friends looking forward to titles like the ones you brought up and how quickly their enjoyment went away with the amount of content they experienced, so thank you for voicing those concerns!
Splatoon is a weird one because a lot of the changes seem small on the surface but a lot of them are actually massive when you take a closer look. The problem is, the only ones who are actually gonna understand the weight of the seemingly smaller changes are the “hardcore” fans of the games, the ones who played it religiously. A good example was how a lot of people said splatoon 1 and 2 felt too similar, but something as simple as having smaller, more close-quarters maps than the first game was enough to be seen as a defining character trait of the second game to its regular player base.
I think this in particular is just a larger problem with splatoon as a whole: unless you religiously follow the series you have no clue what’s going on or what any of it means.
Lore included...
Splatoon is a really fun experience, but the marketing has been pretty poor for all of the games. For the first game, many people passed it off as a fun colorful shooter for kids, and yeah it is, but it’s very lore-heavy. Same with the second game, and due to the marketing for these games, the third game has been brushed off the shoulder by many people. Maybe it’s another shooter, but the characters and story and music really make it fun. You have to be really in for it to understand everything and be as hype as the rest of us lmao
More adults play splatoon than anyone else, yet it's a kids game lol
Its not like changing the meta with buffs/nerfs and some new maps warrants a new game that’s not even dlc tier that’s just an update.
@@ultimaterecoil1136 they didn’t only add new buffs/nerfs and new maps, it’s gonna be mechanically different and that’s what warrants a new game, what would warrant a sequel to S2 to you? without it being on a new console
I feel like the naming is just super confusing. Free dlc would imply that it's optional like paid dlc, but most of the time it's not optional and you need to have it to use online.
Free updates implies that there is such a thing as paid updates, which would be annoying.
I really wish they would just stick to calling these regular updates instead of free dlc and free updates
I wholeheartedly agree
Nice comment!
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Exactly, in the 3DS era, when there's an update available, it says "There's a new update available! Would you like to download?" Not "There's a *_Free_* update available, would you like to download?"
Like... _Wdym by _*_free_* 🤨
The Word *FREE* makes everything better
Free updates are good, however, Nintendo is intentionally realising games half finished, and then promising free updates to get the absolute bare minimum (if we're lucky) for a full priced game.
The amount of content in Mario Strikers: Battle League was unbelievably low, I'm glad I bought it through Amazon so I could actually return it
I remember how Absolutely Furious The Internet was when Princess Daisy was absent from the main roster, but it turns out she's far from the only missing piece from Battle League.
I didn't even end up getting it but I ALMOST did and it woulda been digital LOL
@@GetMadzsmart move, dude
Vail again?! This is so surprising!
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 I mean I was upset. Daisy has been my main since the beginning soooo yeah lol. I just am gonna skip this and play the gamecube one (original) and wii one (charged).
One thing I love about Kirby and the forgotten land: it's finished. It was released in full. DLC may come later, but they only add to what already is a good experience. It's because HAL labs doesn't have that business model and actually wants people to like what they make
Well, the correction would be now they don't, not that they never did. Look at star allies. It was very incomplete at launch
@@90sNath it was just to easy
its just a lie to finish a game over time-
"Money first, none of our promises later"
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@Don't Read My Profile Photo ight then, I won't.
literally I'd rather them delay it instead
@@kirbykraft Agreed
I gotta say I am glad that more people get wind of this business practice and talk about it.
First time I'm seeing an amount of money on a comment
@@lylelylecrocodile2538 same
@@lylelylecrocodile2538 I am addicted tipping youtubers/streamer
In my opinion, splatoon is the one series that actually benefited from updates
Edit: I am aware that the first 2 games were extremely rushed and therefore not complete, but the second half of their life actually felt substantial with interesting content, just look at Octo expansion!
@IsaacInfernape2000 what are you saying?
If I were to guess maybe they think splatoon 1 should have just been ported to the switch and allowed cross play instead of a sequel
@@jmurray1110 have they played splatoon 2 before?
Kirby star allies also benefited from the free updates too. The update added three new dream friends and two harder difficulties, one of which is called "Heroes in another dimension."which a lot of people are saying it's the best mode in the game along with soul melter EX.
Octo Expansion is 🔥
This "Free Update" practice ruined Animal Crossing: New Horizons. Imo it's the worst in the franchise, it barely has half the content Animal Crossing: New Leaf has. The 3Ds game has more content than a switch game, let that set in. And Nintendo doesn't even have to update New Horizons anymore, they made their money and don't have to finish the game fully. I was hoping AC:NH would be my favorite in the franchise, but it's the worst and I hate it with a passion. (And this is coming from a long time Animal Crossing fanboy!) The fact alot of new fans first game was New Horizons makes me sad. New Horizons had the worst case of the "Free Updates" thing due to the game not being finished at launch and the type of game it is, It's not like the sport games where you get extra characters, this is where we have MISSING FEATURES AT LAUNCH and are getting them through updates that spread throughout a year! I don't care if the updates are free, a $60 game should be finished at launch like the other ones I bought. Even at the state that New Horizons is in, it's still very unfinished and unpolished. I want to love AC:NH, but I can't 💔
I wholeheartedly agree with this comment
When no re tail :(
@@TheHimikoToga thank you Toga, this is why you're the best in the League of Villians 😤👍
@@Dynastone Exactly! How do you remove Retail from us, they couldn't even bother to make buildings for the other shops, they got RV models from the mobile game Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp and reused them for the special characters! Like what 💀😭🤚
Alot of people got ACNH as their first AC game and it has terraforming and crafting
Great video but feels you missed out on an extra point: They're not even using this model *consistently* . With all the updates things keep getting, everyone expected Super Mario Party to get updates later on. The number of boards and minigames it had were pretty bad, but surely it'd get updates right? Animal Crossing is!.... but no. Didnt even get proper online multiplayer until the next one was coming out. They cant even do *that* right. They're building low expectations and then not even hitting them sometimes, it makes them look *awful*
ARMS hurts me a lot since it's my favorite game, yet Nintendo left it out to die. There's a bunch of unused modes (and characters) that I know the dev team would've loved to add if Nintendo let them, like Bowling and Soccer... and when thinking of them make the game feel more complete. It's so sad Nintendo canned it so early.
Ditto, Arms had so much potential! I hope it gets a sequel
As a huge fan of Nintendo, I am genuinely disappointed at Nintendo for doing these businesses practices. I really hope they stop doing that. Awesome video.
I miss when Nintendo had integrity back in the 3DS/Wii U games when they actually finished their games and the DLC was a nice bonus
Same... But we can't say the same for MK8 though (battle was garbage) *_And Mario Party 10 is the blandest and worst Mario party_*
The “free DLC” isn’t even DLC to begin with. DLC is optional while the recent “free DLC” is mandatory.
The fact that the mobile Mario Kart Tour gets all the cool stuff while the "big console Mario Kart" on the Switch is just a port of Mario Kart 8 will forever confuse me
Ffs,if they're bringing over tracks from Tour, just port the entire game Mario Kart Tour without microtransactions and lootboxes would be incredible
@@luckywii8731 what about Mario kart 7?
Barely any of the Wii U games were finished at launch or even had any DLC. A couple of 3DS games were unfinished at launch too.
I hadn't even considered the impact of leaving a bad taste, but it really is a shame how even the biggest Animal Crossing fans (in fact, almost *especially* the fans) will look back at New Horizons at an entry that was lackluster at start
its interesting alone to think about and predict what the future 'retrospectives' on new horizons will be. And I truly think a lot of them will hit home that the game really disappointed when compared to other entries in the series
i’ve been a fan of the series since i was a child and have played every game. new horizons is absolute trash. they didn’t even finish the damn game WITH the free updates. new leaf is the last completed entry in the series.
I agree with the sentiment people have been feeling about the recent Mario sports games (arguably the Mario Party games too, but they aren't even being updated), Switch Sports, and so on. It sucks that content-wise the games have been so lacking. Unfortunately, however, people seem to forget that the Mario spinoffs have been in decline (at least on home consoles) since the Wii U (other than Mario Kart 8, which I love aside from its roster). It isn't a new thing for the Switch, it's just that now Nintendo has seen the success of using the update model for Splatoon, Mario Kart, and Smash that now they're trying to do that for all of their multi-player/party games.
They seem to not realize that the model works on a case-by-case basis. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate launched with an obscene amount of content already so it wasn't really filling in gaps. It was just seen as more on an already complete game. Splatoon was a new IP, and a shooter at that (a genre which the update model is more expected and common). Since the series was new, there was no previous games to compare it to. So when the original game on Wii U utilized this free update strategy, it wasn't seen as bad since it's not like a Splatoon game released on GameCube or Wii with twice as many maps and gear (as opposed to something like a Mario spinoff). The model works for Splatoon and has been there since day 1. New Horizons, however, I think already released with enough content, but I understand people's frustrations with it.
Yeah, it sucks for people who buy Mario Party Superstar thinking it would get updated and it doesn't. Heck people actually talked about Kirby and the Forgotten Land getting DLC and I laughed. It gives expectations that every game will get dlc when that isn't the case a people get disappointed 😞
I agree with you, and NH did have a bit of content, but there was many setbacks in the game that lead to the entire game itself being pretty bland, people even ditched their islands for years... 2 of the biggest setbacks was the "10 animals per island" (past animal crossing games had more than 10) rule and the "1 Island per switch" (past animal crossing games had multiple towns on the same system) rule, the other minor stuff adds up
It’s not that bad in the case of the newer Mario Party games considering the Mario Party series never had a lot of content to begin with.
New Horizon is already released with 100% of the content, and then they added 50% MORE content (like just look at the new update! It's basically a whole new game!) when most of the player-base already dropped the game, which sucks, because New Horizon is a super great game.
@@derple8524 Maybe you shouldn’t be expecting DLC for every single game that comes out, when it’s not even announced that there will be any to begin with, then?
I’m glad someone is addressing this issue. I played Mario Strikers and Switch Sports for two days at launch and immediately dropped them because there wasn’t enough content to keep me interested. However I think Mario Tennis Aces was pretty bulky at launch still.
The problem that I have with this practice is that the lack of content makes the game feel boring and empty. And then when the game is finally finished with these updates everyone has already moved on because well if they didn’t like it back then why go back to it now?
It’s just a stupid way for the game to “last longer” when they ironically last for like a week, I don’t see anyone talking about Switch sports, even I forgot about it.
Actually Kirby star allies was a sole exception. The game was complete and it did have a good amount of content. The problem was that it was too short and too easy. The free update added three new dream friends and two harder difficulties, which are both called "Heroes in another dimension" and "soul melter EX". With these modes people claimed that the game got better, this is one of the only games that truly benefited from the free updates.
Nobody talks about Switch Sport for a different reason.
This does work though, some of these games do last longer than others that don’t get any updates at all. It’s not stupid, it’s actually a great idea to get people to return to these games.
I don't mind steady, substantial updates like splatoon 2 but when there is like 5 months between each update you lose interest by the time the update comes out
I feel like Arms suffered from it the worst, while also kinda making the most sense. I think the fact that it definitely doesn't have as much to offer compared to Smash and maybe even Pokken, but new characters for free is something that people would like. I think people just didn't like ARMS on a gameplay basis, which kinda sucks since i kinda love everything about ARMS
I like how he animates himself differently depending on what game he's talking about.
I gotta be honest, Animal Crossing New Horizons is one of my least favorite video games. Partially because it removed content from the original games and took a while to bring them back, but, like, no one is going to be excited to see old stuff that people discovered in the original games on their own unceremoniously blatantly added to the game. All of the little new stuff was so poorly designed and implemented. If you like thus game, that's great, but I feel like because of this game, Animal Crossing will never be the same again...
Ok, so If I'm not getting this wrong, you care that much about old items to make Animal Crossing your LEAST favorite game because they don't have it on release and added back gradually? So you hate this game because it uses this somewhat annoying business practice?
@@RGC_animation Because the practice is annoying.
I got into New Leaf on 3DS and I got New Horizons at release. I was met with a walking simulator with some pizazz. I could talk to a villager... and a different villager I just talked to said the same dialouge.
I can dream of gyroids. A stable of Animal Crossing, being added in over a year after release. And I dropped the game by the summer of 2020 due to how boring it is. That's how I will always remember it. Incomplete, and not as fun as New Leaf.
@@luginess0 Yeah that's because Animal Crossing isn't a villager talking simulator, it's about building your island. Everyone agrees that the villager in New Horizons are so boring, no question asked, but does your whole enjoyment of New Leaf come from talking to villagers?
@@RGC_animation No, it's from all the fun things.
Starting the game everyday to see what new stuff has happened on my island. Making some public works projects, getting items, paying for more house.
@@luginess0 Isn't that the EXACT same with New Horizon?
What worries me the most is that if we want to play these games in like 15 years, all the content they added after release will be lost to time forever
Sorry I’m not too familiar with how this works, but wouldn’t people who have downloaded it still have the content? Is your point that if someone who wanted to buy it used in 15 years doesn’t have the ability to download the updates?
@@wallystogner90 exactly, you’re right
@@lmg1033 thank you, I appreciate the clarification
@@lmg1033 and I agree that is definitely a concern
Luckily some people will have extracted the roms and distribute them for preservation
Thanks!
After all, isn’t “free DLC” just a fancy way of saying “enjoy this unfinished game while we finish it via mandatory updates?”
The platoon part didn’t age well after the direct
True
There's no doubt about that.
Never underestimate the Splatoon development team xD
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I liked that first idea with the Luigi’s more than what we got
Thank you for finally talking about one of the biggest problems with Nintendo right now. I don't really see many people talking about this large problem. It's mainly the reason why I stopped playing Animal Crossing because there wasn't much to do compared to New Leaf. It stopped me from getting Switch Sports because it had less content than Resort that was on the Wii. I'm sick of paying $60 every month or 2 just for a lackluster experience that is worse than previous games in a series. It honestly makes me scared for the future of new games that Nintendo will release.
same, I absolutely adore the series but as soon as I was done with my animal crossing 300 hour video I immediately lost all interest in playing it and since have just kept attempting to get back into it.
true i’ve basically grown up with nintendo my whole life and it brought so much joy to me back then but now it just isn’t doing it for me and i’m so worried that it’ll never change
@@korN72 I don't think Kirby and the Forgotten Land suffers from this. I like how the Kirby series (as far as I know) has been able to escape things other franchises have suffered from. For example: Star allies. Granted I got the game way after everything was added, but I'm pretty sure all the gamemodes were still there and each free DLC was more of an update that added both characters and changes.
I was going to say balance changes, but I associate that with fighting games so it's probably just bug fixes.
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The moment you showed New Leaf, I felt weird. I felt the desire to pick up my 3DS in excitement again, but upset, because the game has been buried by one they didn't even bother to finish at least 50% before publishing it. It's honestly so sad. The memories of playing in Winter, Spring, and Autumn feel great, but NH, my best memories were of the launch Spring, it honestly helped during the first month of you-know-what, and also this night in Summer where I stayed up until 4am and randomly decided to boot it up after doing a full-run of Metal Slug X. My NL memories are more vast, and colourful
I personally feel like with some cases, the idea works and genuinely feels like "Hey, we want to expand this world and what you can do." To me, Splatoon 1 and 2 does it well. Offering new means to play, different meta changing weapons, all kinda of stuff. But then there are other cases like say, Switch Sports. Golf has been in every Wii Sports related game, and now we gotta wait till the Fall for it.
To me, the approach does have it's times where it works, but other times it does become an issue. So long as I had fun with the game, I won't regret it too much, but that's just me.
Honestly, I don't even care if golf is not in the game at launch, I'm fine with waiting.
But I know that, even with golf and other updates, switch sport will still be lacking a lot of content compared to wii sport ressort.
I think SSBU is one case where DLC works. Granted it's paid DLC and the balance updates + events are separate, but it still works. Everyone was extremely hyped to see what the next DLC fighter was. My goodness, just look at the sans MII GUNNER COSTUME reveal.
I love it when people talk about this. However I know, I've seen the comments but they're right. Spaltoon is an exception. That works well in context of the games world. New products and music are made every day in the real world. The reason it doesn't work in Animal Crossing and Mario Sports is because there is no excuse other than corporate greed. There's no excuse for thousands od items to be missing from Animal Crossing after launch and even after all updates have been released. And as for Mario Sports, we have had an unbeleieve amount of options in prior games but now they're taking away something we had access to 15 years earlier for zero reason.
There's also the fact of legacy. Once the servers for these games go offline you will never be able to access this content ever again. What are the people who are interested in retro Nintendo games supposed to do then?
It's because of this exact reason I haven't bought any game with this release strategy since last year. As soon as I heard Mario Golf was doing it I was fed up and done with this terrible business practice and only bought finished games like Kirby and Pokémon.
yes love pokemon very finish game very cool
Uh… hate to break it to you, but Pokémon does this too. Sword and Shield, BDSP and Legends: Arceus had content missing that was introduced at a later date. Sword and Shield’s DLC cost 30 extra dollars too.
@@almightysinnoh BDSP and Legends Arceus did not do this what are you talking about?
@@casual3123 It took 5 months to get the GTS in BDSP? And did you forget about Massive Mass Outbreaks in Legends? They still did this.
@@almightysinnoh You're forgetting these games were complete experiences. These updates weren't as big as adding 50% of a character roster and stages like Mario Tennis and Golf.
Awesome video madz. Love that your back and better than ever can't wait for the next vid 😁😁❤
Feels weird that Kirby star Allies went unmentioned. It felt like the first big game besides arms that released basically unfinished and without much quality or content to make up for it. As a Kirby game it was boring since the level design was well below par because they wanted to focus on the multiplayer, unlike forgotten land which I hear was actually really fun
It's funny because Kirby returns to Dreamland had multiplayer, and it was fun so there was no excuse for star allies
Personally, I like Star Allies.
Yeah, the main campaign is kinda blah but what keeps me coming back is playing around with those new dream friends and what not.
imo Kirby Star Allies already had solid amount of content, the updates only added old characters (which are almost all OP by the way lol), a new difficulty for the boss rush mode and a new mode. People might find the game bad because of its level design (I don't) but the game still had a fair amount of content.
Everyone loves Forgotten Land, but I personally didn't like it and it may be my least favorite Kirby Game, sure the 3D is new but in exchange of it we only had 10 (+ Crash (single-use ability) and Sleep which isn't even a real ability) powers where Star Allies had 23 (+ Crash, Festival (single-use), Sleep (still not an ability) and Cook (single-use for Kirby, whole gameplay for allies) and 3 dream friends at launch, with 10 others added with free updates, which makes 37 (+ Crash, Festival and Sleep) gameplays in the game.
Forgotten land was very restrictive (e.g. can't skip stairs by flying cause they limited the flying height) sure the game is in 3D and needs a little bit of challenge but the others where platformers too and you still could fly as high and as long as you wanted, player two playing Bandana Dee with one of the most boring gameplays they could've made ("B, B, B, repeat", "Dash-B (/Dash Jump B, they're the same), miss, repeat", "hold B, fly, press B again, repeat" and "tackle, A, B" (which doesn't deal damage)) while Kirby gets overpowered upgrades, I played as both Bandana Dee and Kirby, Kirby was fine but Bandana Dee was really frustrating, seeing Kirby anihilate anything while I struggled to do one B B B combo without getting hit because of the end lag. Kirby's abilities were really restricted too, most of them being "B B B", "Dash B" and "Dash Jump B" only or even just "B", the mini-bosses are just meatsacks that you just end up taking damages by touching them cause most of your attacks causes you to move forward.
All this to say that Kirby Star Allies wasn't that empty (I literally have 75+ hours on the game cause I did every guest star mode with every ally, where I have less than 20 hours on Forgotten Land)
Kirby star allies was a finished game, with a good amount of content. it was just too short and too easy, but the free updates fixed that.
I'm so glad HAL labs didn't take the same "free dlc" approach that star allies did with the forgotten land and actually released the full game at launch, I WOULD say it gives me hope for future games but HAL is separate from Nintendo so I'm not sure... anyways as a hardcore kirby fan I enjoyed the forgotten land much more than star allies. 90% of star allies' content came from replaying the dream friend game mode over and over just with new characters, which I found really boring IMO. Its definitely a lot more fun playing together with friends, but clearly was not made with singleplayer in mind... meanwhile the forgotten land has a pretty long campaign as well as a second one after you finish the main game, plus lots of fun minigames
Not gonna lie, I litterly just discovered your channel today but I already love the content, especially the videos that are pretty well written dives into subjects about gaming while also being not dragged out for too long and having a charming art style and some good animation.
Thank you so much!
Can't really complain about Splatoon. The story mode looks exciting, we can expect a new mode like salmon run was when it wasn't a thing in splatoon 1. Hopefully we get some kind of future dlc (which is different from future updates) and they launch the game with a good amount of content to be playable when it releases. The updates are usually to get people excited for new content and polish stuff (not make people hope there's gonna be more content than there should've been.) And we there's gonna be things that change up the gameplay (in a way that doesn't ruin it)
Just some of my thoughts on the topic
With Splatoon 2 the problem wasn't the "add more content in free updates later" thing, it was that main weapons that were present in Splatoon 1 weren't in Splatoon 2 at launch (such as inkbrush and bamboozler). Nintendo has confirmed however that all main weapons are coming back at launch so this will not be a repeating issue. Splatoon 3 is seemingly missing a hook however (a functionally different argument from saying Splatoon 3 looks too similar to Splatoon 2 in terms of gameplay), and I do hope we get some sort of crazy reveal that proves to be the hook
I can't really comment on Mario Tennis or Golf since I didn't get those.
Animal Crossing I didn't really mind it since it was my first Animal Crossing game and it gave me a reason to revisit the game.
Nintendo Switch Sports, I don't really think the game's incomplete, I think people are just wanting to judge it largely off of nostalgia blindness. Whether we like it or not Miis haven't been a big part of Nintendo's branding seeing as their inclusion in games has been much, much more slim. We may miss this time period, but calling Switch Sports bad because it doesn't satisfy our nostalgia is a bit unfair. The sportsmates are cute and very expressive (though they could use some more facial customizations so everyone doesn't look the same), and the environments are brimming with detail and life. Not to mention HD development takes way more resources than before, so we can't really expect as many sports as Resort had. Nintendo Switch Sports fulfills its role as an easy to pick up party game; is it perfect? No, it could certainly benefit from options like doubles badminton or manually selecting a tennis court, but by any objective metric Wii Sports and wii sports resort aren't that impressive either, we essentially developed Nostalgia blindness to a tech demo (I have a lot of Nostalgia towards it, too).
I also can't really comment on Strikers since I didn't get it, but if they're only adding characters, it's probably not going to fix the problems with the game and the amount of content it provides (same would go for Tennis and Golf if applicable)
2:13 why did you censor "Fuck" but not "Bitch"?... Either censor then both or don't censor either.
I can not forgive the change to put Matt in the vid instead of this monster 0:07
Kirby and the Forgotten land felt so fresh and complete and I loved it! This game is an example of what Nintendo should do more often.
Edit: HAL makes the kirby games. Nintendo publishes them. Nintendo should follow what the kirby games do.
That was HAL. Nintendo does work with this company, but HAL made the game (and all of the Kirby franchise) not Nintendo. And hey star allies was complete too, yes it was too short and too easy, but it had a good amount of content, plus the REAL free updates(Heroes in another dimension,and Soul melter EX,with magolor, taranza and suzie), made the game better, and I might even say it even save the game, because a lot of people loved it now.
HAL is more consistent than Nintendo
@@alphonsejohnson5601 Oops, forgot HAL made that game. They really do make great games!
I personally wish it was kinda longer but other than that it was amazing
HAL did frick up with star allies but they sort of fixed it with the tons of dream friends they added and the new harder mode
for real. When I got Splatoon 2, what made me HOOKED was the fact that everything was there. I fell off Splatoon 3 so quickly because all it had that was actually new was the campaign. I'm planning to not play the game until multiple large updates come out
10:29 SEAN MURRAY JUMPSCARE
I secretly hope that somehow, someway, Sean Murray was watching this video casually and out of nowhere he saw his name on screen and heard Madz scream it and praise him, completely catching him off guard
I have to admit, there were a few times where the DLC problem was sort of fun, a good example of this is Kirby Star Allies. Sure it suffered the "DLC later problem", but it was fun theorizing about what DLC characters would come next.
Actually more like Kirby star allies was an exception to the DLC problem, it was already a completed game and it had a good amount of content. The problem was it was just too short and too easy, the free DLC was Heroes in another dimension, Soul melter EX, and three new dream friends: Taranza, Magolor, and Susie. These two modes actually had a decent amount of challenge, ESPECIALLY the final bosses of each mode. I truly enjoyed the game and I recommend it to anyone who is a casual Kirby fan and kids.
Yeah…I think Kirby star allies was pretty much finished and it was fun to speculate about the characters coming similar to smash in a way. Even in an interview the director said that heroes in another dimension was just originally extra levels in world 4 that the player could do after beating the main story, implying that it was a dlc and not missing content
@@THECyberStriker Nice research dude, and I agree with your statement.
Can we all just appreciate Beet in his little Inkling costume? So cute ^-^
thank u so much!! Im hoping to keep doin that for different games!
@@GetMadz Omg thank you! You're one of my favourite youtubers :)
I haven't even bothered with anything past animal crossing because when animal crossing was new, I didn't know what was going on. With everything else? It felt far more offensive after I learned what was actually happening.
I haven't even picked up a new switch game in months. Maybe even half a year at least. I've been too busy with stuff on steam or Gog to really care what Nintendo is doing anymore. They're just not the same.
8:50 not to mention that Minecraft only costs $30 and is basically infinitely replayable.
I think one game that should have been discussed in this video, is Mario Maker 2, because it's final free update allowed you to make worlds. When you step back and think about it, that would have been an amazing bit of marketing to the game.
Mario Maker 1 allowed you to create levels, but with Mario Maker 2, you can create ENTIRE WORLDS!
Mario Maker 2 was perfectly fine (although a bit sad they stopped supporting it after just 1 year), however, Mario Maker 1 was the prime example of this, SMM released as an unfinished game, and they slowly added items 1 by 1 every week to make a complete game.
@@RGC_animation The initial "trickle" was actually all in the game at launch, you could just set your wii u's clock forward by a week at a time to get it all on launch. (No goddamn clue why they did this.) It did launch without checkpoints, though, which was a big bruh moment.
@@TwilightFlower9 They didn't launch with basically half of the items, they didn't even have doors at the time.
@@RGC_animation Wait, SMM1 didn't have doors on launch? Didn't remember that
@@TwilightFlower9 Why even have the trickle if they already put in that content in a complete state?
2:42 fnf boyfriend has just purchased splatoon
The sad part is that even Nintendo's third parties are guilty of pulling this "minimal viable product" mindset. Pokemon Sword and Shield for example, claiming that there were technical limitations to include all old Pokemon in the game... then paywalling them behind paid expansions, and finally still leaving several Pokemon behind anyways. There were very few technical changes needed to add a new Pokemon into the code, most of the heavy lifting had been done all the way since X and Y!
Now that Splatoon 3 has been out for a while i can safely say that it's a complete game at launch that changes and improves a lot of things from Splatoon 2.
Good video, though I gotta say I don't agree with your Splatoon 3 argument.
They've made it clear that all weapons are returning, some which aren't even that good are getting buffs and adding more to mobility with squid surge etc, that alone is great but you're also forgetting the story and lore in the game, all of this on top of new weapons being added with gimmicks and existing weapons getting plenty of variety, and that's just the battle mechanics, weapons and story, let's not even get into how much customisation options there are.
Other than that bad point I agree with your video, I just wanna buy a game and get most of the good the previous entries had.
I spent 9 or 10 hours on my website and now I'm getting 20 squarespace ads per day. Why must the universe do this to me?
This is a fantastic take, really highlights all the issues. Part of me wants to say "somebody should send this to Nintendo" but I'm also a little concerned they'd somehow get the _wrong_ lesson from this and miss the point entirely... with the way they've been operating in recent times, I actually wouldn't put it past them to do that 😰
That Isabella art style is amazing
While I agree that it can be annoying at times to have these free dlc updates, I actually kind of think it’s for the better. They only do it for small arcade-like games. The kind that you would normally pick up and play every once in a while, often with friends. Problem is that these games can get old really fast. The new content, while very small, gives people a reason to go back. It definitely feels like this has become more of an excuse though, looking at the minimal characters in Mario Strikers. And the gradual updates of Animal Crossing New Horizons was definitely a terrible decision.
Yeah, the updates of ACNH just serves to keep the relevance long after release.
I’d argue new horizons would have been PERFECT if it wasn’t for the pandemic because the updates would have been more frequent with more stuff and players wouldn’t have played hundreds of hours and gotten bored so fast if it wasn’t for the pandemic
I feel like what sets splatoon different from the other games that released an incomplete game was that they made the game a 'complete game' very fast and the content we had was so different that we didnt even think twice about "what is this mystery rank mode?" I remember playing the game a a day or two after release and there was only 6 courses and turf war with the only weapons being splatershot, roller, and basic charger, but the difference is that by the end of that week they quickly introduced ranked and many more weapons. At that point the game could have gotten no more updates and while it would be a very basic game, it didn't feel incomplete and everything else was a new bonus. "OH MY GOODNESS A NEW WEAPON CLASS??? WHAT THE HECK IS A BUCKET" but for a game like animal crossing new horizons it wasn't like they gave something that seemed like a complete game and was like "ok brb were gonna get even more things to add to this." Its was more like "ok we only have so much content and we need to ration it out like we're rationing food through the great depression" When I played the game I made it a few months in before sitting there like "...this isn't fun, it feels like a chore to play" and dropped it and never went back and I hate that that's probably going to be the norm of games now since all these games are selling so well. Essentially, just release something that feels like a whole game when it comes out and not after 3 years.
I'm a GameCube kid, and while I appreciate Nintendo's earlier games due to nostalgia, the amount of content at launch across generations is roughly equal. The difference is that free content updates have allowed for glitches to be patched out, additional content to be released, and unfortunately the ability for other developers to collect extra money from players. This results in older games being 100% complete forever, and newer games potentially being 100% complete at launch and even more complete after updates and DLC launch. I hope that Nintendo (and other developers, for that matter) use these updates correctly and provide games more complete than games released before the ability to update software.
The moment I got this video recommended, Daisy came out in MSBL.
Splatoon worked since it was substantial and had good amount of content before launch. It should have more content at launch and more variety in it.
i love animal crossing as a franchise and i love animal crossing new horizons, honestly. i think making the game have so much freedom when it came to island customization was such a great idea and adding in crafting was an even better one, but i CANNOT for the life of me open the game back up. i just feel so burnt out when it comes to it and i think the fact that nintendo held back alot of what was considered cruicial and monumental in the previous games as new "DLC" is apart of that feeling. what upsets me even more is that nintendo literally HAD THE CODE for things like brewsters IN THE MAIN GAME ALREADY but they just decided to release it A YEAR LATER and it overall just makes me feel really sad :(
I feel like another thing to note is that a lot of the games that suffered from these updates have issues even with all of the updates added, they still feel like mediocre games even with all the added content, and I feel like games such as Mario Golf: Super Rush were kind of doomed from the start, seeing how the Camelot Mario Sports games have been handled in the Wii U and 3DS era.
Yeah Camelot is not good like they used to be
As of now Daisy has been announced, so that’s one problem solved at least
What??? No splatoon is a completely different scenario here, the new content keeps the game fresh through its lifecycle and changes the meta of battle, the devs can do their work balancing out the weapons and stuff after release and throughout the games life, splatoon is a specific type of game, its on an online multiplayer shooter, that HOW games in that genre work... you cant put it in this argument.
Miyamoto: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
Nintendo now: Oh crap the deadlines soon well lets release it anyways.
This video aged like milk
How tho
Out of the ‘incomplete games at release’ examples, I’ve only purchased Animal Crossing. I don’t regret doing so and that game really REALLY came out at the perfect moment. However, New Horizons was my first and only Animal Crossing game I’ve played (and I assume that was the case for a lot of ppl considering the sales numbers), so all the missing content from previous entries didn’t bother me because I didn’t have any expectations in the first place.
I definitely agree with you that this sort of ‘release now, update later’ should only be reserved for new IPs, tho I think they should stop doing it outright because in the future those games will not be able to be updated and they will be stuck in their earliest unfinished forms for anyone who gets them after.
I will never understand the resentment for turf war looking similar between 2 and 3. Like... of course they're the same basic mode, its like the wonder bread of the series lolol. If you're worried about splatoon 3, just know that they will most definitely show new stuff in the next 2 month before the release :)
I agree I hate that Nintendo does this after I buy the game I play it for like a week then I get burnt out then an update gets realesed and it’s really hard for me to get back into it
Hot take; I’m actually fine with Nintendo releasing games early, they just need to stop marketing them as finished games cause they aren’t finished.
Game developers in general probably should be more open about the process of making games. Only going out of their way to remove spoilers
I heard about your channel from TheOdd1sOut and I have been watching your content for a while now. You are so extremely underrated and I just want to tell you I love watching your videos and you’re doing a fantastic job!
Nintendo : Having complete games is obsolete now free updates is the future
Me : Nope it's not a good decision it ruins the game
4:56 Torbjorn is a cephalopod: confirmed
This video shows so much that’s true, and I want Nintendo to realise it and fix their mistakes.
4:07 Koopa’s Tycoon Town from Mario Party 8 ; MY CHILDHOOD
Nooo! I hated that board
Nooo! I hated that board
@@NickMario1 but the music slaps
It really feels like Nintendo is forgetting how to just make full game experiences then move onto the next thing. They make games not until they’re done, but until they’re marketable, then they keep that game into a death grip of relevancy to keep players playing
what about kirby tho
What makes this model the worst is something the Splatoon 1 dev team said in an interview after the game was well and done. They said that the entire game (including ALL free updates) were done by the time the game first launched in 2015. And they did the free dlc model to maintain interest long term as they continually balanced a new style of game. That way if the game was busted at launch in a different way (like it was - the 1.0 balance was SO SHIT), *that* wouldn't be what left a sour taste in peoples mouths. That kind of model doesn't work with the existing franchises like the Mario Sports games for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Great video: 10/10
Nintendo fans: why is our company betraying us?
Sega fans: *now you know how we feel all the time*
Love the video and animation so much! Everytime a different game was talked about, your character changed slightly which I find so creative. Madz, it truly shows how much care you put into your videos and animations. Again awesome vid!
I feel like splatoon 3 is going well. Not only are they bringing every weapon from old games and they ALREADY have shown some new stuff is pretty good. (Let's hope single player is good)
I really miss the times where when a game came out and... IT HAD TO BE ACTUALLY FINISHED!😂🥲
Again a wonderful video Mads, you share so many of my own opinions, so it's always a joy seeing you talk about topics like this. Your visuals are super engaging to look at, and the structure and flow lf the videos are always on point! Keep doing you Mads, we'll be watching🙌☺️
Yeah the internet seems to have really fucked gaming
Sure it’s good for some fevers like FPS’s since you have online multiplayer but it’s too easy for developers to just change and add things so it makes them lazy and greedy
thanks so much Felix I genuinely appreciate it! :]
Remember the DS area without all the abudifs micro transactions, stupids battle pass etc ...
I gotta be honest here madz
Nintendo really has to hire you, you can literally make any video about a video game very interesting to watch.
thank you so much that means a lot!! I've got a lot more conceptual and idea based videos in the works so I hope you look forward to seeing those!
I personally like Mario Karts new DLC, I mean adding new DLC to a game I thought was finished got me back to playing it with all these new tracks. I think if they at least finished a game then did something like that then I’d prefer it. I also hope Daisy is in Strikers and I hope that bit about Breath of the Wild 2 is not true. 🤔😭
But yeah this practice of theirs sucks, but to be fair it gives me more reason to wait for them to go on sale, just less money for Nintendo from me though. 🤔:p
Ooo, just came across your channel. Love it, keep it up!
The main time I would say that free dlc is ok is when the game is already bulky enough without it. If you play Monster Hunter, most people are fine with their title update structure every few months adding a few new monsters. This is because Monster Hunter games typically have tons of content with free dlc being a hook to get people to come back and for replay value in the future so there's more content if you wish to replay the game.
They modeled an entire sports center the size of Breath of the Wild and they don’t let us explore it. I really badly want them to add that for some reason
I'll forgive the Splatoon games for this since they add substantial updates on a regular basis, the other ones are unforgivable though and I have skipped many of these titles due to it. I wanted to play the new Strikers but i wasn't buying it with no Daisy in it, she's my favorite Mario character and 100% should have been there at launch
With splatoon 2 I don’t see it as such a big problem because that is a multiplayer online game and those need updates to keep players engaged to it
I feel like their approach to Animal Crossing was good enough because at the begging being able to craft, terraform and decorate your whole island with a huge amount of furniture that weren't in the previous game was enough of a novelty.
What I think they did very wrong was the rate at which the updates were released. They took several months just to add diving again or the dream suite (kinda) and some holidays here and there. I took one year and a half to get the huge update that actually elevated the game to the same level as New Leaf, but for a lot of people that was, understandably, too late. It should've taken half a year or at least done by Christmas 2020. When they actually did it, most people had enough of the game already.
I remember watching the Mario Strikers Battle League trailer the day it came out and knew it was going to be very lackluster. It's as though it was stripped of everything that made it fun. I simply don't understand how Nintendo can fumble the bag so hard. Nintendo's focus should be on quality not quantity.
I think my main issue with these types of games is, lets say in 10/20 years the switch gets discontinued and the servers go down then a lot of these games are probably gonna remain incomplete. Like what you said in the video, they should be on par so at least when they go down I can still get an enjoyable experience.
There was a time where I got defensive over hearing slander on Mario sports games for the Switch. After defending both Tennis and Golf, I got to the point of jumping ship with having to back up my enjoyment for Strikers.
I think it's clear to see that free updates has shot Nintendo in the foot. On paper, it's fun to think about the concept of adding extra goodies to sports games and keeping up their relevance. In practice, though, this only makes the games fade off quickly due to having players wait to get content that more often than not should have been in the game at launch.
For the record, I maintain an enjoyment for the Mario sports games; I think that they're quite fun, if not definitive installments. I trust that a baseball game is on the horizon, and it will probably follow the free updates formula to the chagrin of fans yet again. That'll be an experience...
Not bad, GetMadz.