Three dead after small plane crash in Williamson County, TN
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- 15-MAY-2024
A Beechcraft V35 Bonanza, N47WT, was destroyed following an inflight breakup near Franklin, Tennessee. There are three reported fatalities at this point.
ADS-B data shows that the airplane was cruising at an altitude of about 7000 feet before it slightly changed course and climbed to 9600 feet.
A few seconds later, the airplane entered a rapid descent with an average rate of about -4000 fpm.
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Don't fly into or close to a thunderstorm. It's not the airplane.
What boggles the mind is that these guys - and there've been so many of them - must've read countless accident reports describing exactly this scenario, yet they go and do the same thing.
All pilots should get their instrument rating, but I often wonder if having the rating gives them a false sense of competence, leading to accidents like this.
No they didn’t. Some people are invincible and know everything, no need to read or study or learn. Not to say that’s the case here, just not enough data.
You’re right, too many think it’s a red cape for their blue suit and big S on their tight shirt. It gives you the smarts to know HOW to fly, takeoff, and land without ground reference until personal or actual minimums (over time), WHAT to AVOID and WHEN to say NO or DIVERT. And WHY. Instead, some of them think it means they can now fly in ice, as long as they have cabin heat and pitot heat. Not necessarily this case, though, not enough details yet.
I am not judging this particular incident but based on the plastic surgeons (surgeons) in general most all have super inflated macho superior type egos...just saying!
Is the accident rate up or just the number of TH-cam hits?
I'm pretty sure this pilot had an instrument rating. It looks like he was on an IFR flight plan. Something weird happened that caused them to deviate from course then climb rapidly from 7000ft to 9500 ft and then lose control of the aircraft and overspeed the airframe. Could be anything from icing, trim runaway, autopilot failure, entered a storm cell, etc. This ATC audio unfortunately doesn't really clear up anything.
I have 20,000 plus thousand hours in commercial jets but even I know my limitations. No way would I blast off in an airplane in less then ideal conditions unless I am proficient.
And that's why you have as many hours as you do.
You have 20,000 + hours and still flying for a reason....it is because you are smart know and respect your limitations!!! Some pilots think they are invincible!
@@D....A...e-fg8qh and that’s why he doesn’t rent and/or fly GA planes, most likely. But those people are CONFIDENT that they ARE proficient. That’s the killer.
The problem is they don’t think in terms of “ideal” or not, they think in macho overconfident terms of whether they can handle anything thrown at them or not. If they chalk up checklists, W&B, flight planning, flight plans, DA and performance calculations, weather briefings, and flight following to mere administrivia and BS only needed for the FAA test, then they fail the real life test and pay the ultimate price. They only suspect, realize, or accept their shortcomings and willing ignorance in the final 30 seconds. I can’t think of a single incident report where a female private pilot chose or insisted on flying into inclement weather. I routinely hear women passengers in planes asking the right risk management questions, and their men ignoring them as usual. This is a toxic masculinity, macho and testosterone poisoning problem, pure and simple, and resistance to authority by someone who claims dominion over all he purveys. Here, hold my beer, I’ll show you it’s not impossible. And it’s impossible to combat that, I would say.
@@RetreadPhoto He learned how to fly in GA planes.
I’m guessing this aircraft was on an IFR flight plan. It appears as spatial disorientation leading to a loss of control.
Based on the altitude alone when the controller called 9000 yes he was. Otherwise it would have been 9500.
The type of flight plan doesn't indicate the actual metrological conditions.
We almost always filed IFR even though conditions were VMC.
@@smark1180 absolutely agree. I do the same. I thought it was mentioned that he was near convective activity at the time of loss of control. That was my reason for the comment. Also, he was a fairly low time pilot.
@@timothypropst238 Juan has posted about that.
People who know nothing about aviation should refrain from commenting on things aviation. JFC…. 🤦♂️
Does that apply to the media as well? They think as long as they use buzz words like "tarmac' they sound like experts.
When I first posted that on LiveATC, and having done that numerous times, those two words are still so haunting....."Radar Contact Lost" RIP
😞
What "two words?"
Unexpected autopilot bugaboo followed by over-reaction disorientation...
It really is a doctor killer. The pilot was actually a doctor out of Baton Rouge and he had his 2 adult children on board who were students at LSU.
The doctor killed himself and his children. So far there's no evidence of any mechanical or design failure that caused this crash.
@@smark1180 what did he do wrong ?
@@lw216316 He apparently lost control and allowed the plane to exceed its designed speed/g limits. We won't know for sure until after the NTSB investigation.
I have owned a V-tail Bonanza for 13 years. Wonderful airplane. The truth is that Doctors are Bonanza killers. In this case he killed himself, his plane, and two other people.
@@lw216316 Not enough experience on type, should not have flown with the weather prevailing and was rushed (get-there-itis) in order to make a 5 hour flight to pick up the third sibling and return for the graduation immediately of the two that were killed. Over-confidence?
Does not maintain altitude, does not maintain heading, limited comms, appears to enter graveyard spiral, cloudy weather in the area that day. on the surface it looks to be spatial disorientation. RIP pilot and family.
What is it with TN and Beech planes lately?
Youd think the penny would have dropped after all these decades with so many Bonanza v Dr crashes. Do these people not read anything?
How many Bonanzas have been made? What might correlate but not cause there to be so many doctors, in Bonanzas, getting into accidents? Why are nearly all the accidents from pilots with low time, flying into storms? Do you know the 35 model Bonanza has a narrow CG envelope? What happens when an aircraft (any aircraft) is loaded aft of CG? How is it more or less stable, or more or less controllable? What is Vne in a V35? What can happen if Vne is exceeded in turbulence? Would a low time, high ego, unskilled pilot typically pay attention to these things?
Seriously man it’s the pilots. They buy aircraft beyond their skill and get killed. Nothing special happens with a V tail when it’s pushed beyond design limits. It breaks up like any other aircraft.
All I can think of is how terrified his two young adult children must have been with the fuselage plummeting to earth knowing that their young lives were about to end. It sounds like the doctor's qualifications to fly that newer "turbo" Bonanza were questionable at best and whoever checked him off on the plane did him a huge disservice in the end.
He only had very minimal - 15 short flights, some 3 minutes - on this V35 - bought it in January this year. His over confidence and rushed cross country 5 hour flight in bad weather killed him and his two about-to-graduate offspring. Someone should have told him - 'Your skill levels are not ready for this plane - it will kill you and anyone else on board or where you crash'
Trouble operating avionics in IMC, got behind the aircraft, exceeded Vne and or maximum control inputs, flutter, big fall, dead
Reminds me of the very same scenario of the low flight time lady in the Beach aircraft with the TH-cam channel, with very similar flight paths, my first question in this case would be, were any severe thunderstorms in this flight path, as one of them can rip a plane to shreds.
She had the runaway rudder but I don't recall breakup.
@@wjatube The similarities i am seeing were the high decent rates from both of these events, as i am not sure about any other similarities between the two.
@@romantic340 probably the biggest similarity are the people that can afford this plane generally get in way over their head. In the case of TNGIRL she was inadequately trained.
@@wjatube Inadequately trained in her case, i agree 100%.
@@wjatube What's a "runaway rudder?"
The V35 has a pretty tight envelope - not sure if they were in IMC, but they're prone to breaking apart when things get squirrely.
The v tail folds up first? Wonder how strong those v tails are compared to traditional.
I live about 40 miles south of where they crashed and we did have some rain that night.
@@jonasbaine3538 I'm not sure if it's the V-tail specifically, but the other Bonanza's don't have this issue, so could be.
Specify - "tight envelope" and "squirrely."
@@smark1180 Thought I replied but don't see it so I'll try again.
Simple explanation is that the flight envelope is the combination of speed and g-forces that an aircraft structure is designed to sustain. G-forces increase as the wing is forced to carry more of the aircraft’s weight. This increases in exponential form with the angle of bank, and in climbs/dives. If G’s applied to the wings are too great, they’ll break off under the weight. If speed is too high, even in a 1-G condition, you’ll also see structural failures - typically at the airfoil (lifting) surfaces - the wings and horizontal/vertical stabilizer. As Gs increase, allowable airspeed decreases. Being “outside the envelope” can happen quickly in the V35 because its margins are so small (“tight envelope”). I would never fly the one my club had in anything except visual conditions because it didn’t have a reliable auto-pilot. Get disoriented in the clouds and you could quickly put the airplane in an attitude/condition outside the envelope and it would buckle on you.
No speculation about this accident, but given the history of this airframe, that’s a high probability scenario.
What were the pilots qualifications, hours in this type etc???
PPL since 2016 - previous aircraft Piper. I think IFR rated, but no data about hours etc. Bought the V35 in January 2024. Flew it only about 15 times, mostly only a few test minutes each, before embarking on a 5 hour cross country bad weather rushed trip to make his two now dead children's graduation. Aircraft got pushed beyond its limits (the type has a bad Dutch Roll envelope), got out of his control, disorientation...
The "forked-tail doctor killer" strikes again.
Convective weather. Registered the plane in January.
i would never get on one of those v tails
According to a FAA report I read, the explanation is that this class of aircraft is very appealing (speed, range, payload) to a certain level of income earners like surgeons who never want to delay a journey and suffer from "get there-itis". They may have IFR ratings but often don't and when confronted by IMC they press on instead of turning back as they don't like to admit failure. Then they get into situations they can't handle.
Lack of proficiency in IMC leading to spatial disorientation? In actual? CO poisoning, hypoxia, mechanical--doubtful.
I'd rule out hypoxia at 9.5k..
@@marcomm7828 that’s what I said.I should have said ALL highly doubtful.
@@iamthevanavator281 yeah, sry
The V tailed doctor killer....given that name for a reason.
@@marcomm7828 Carbon Monoxide can cause hypoxia at any altitude
My condolences to the family.Restin peace ✝️ All Gods angels are in Heaven.God be with the families ✝️🕊️🇺🇸
RIP
Too low for oxygen deprivation/loss of pressure.
Pressurized 35 Bonanza? That's a new one.
Clueless
@@clay1883 Never said it was.
@@smark1180 Fool
@@smark1180 foolish
A doctor Bonanza crasher strikes again.
A close friend of mine was piloting a Beech in 2004 and died along with two others when they in fact flew into a thunderstorm at night. He did not have weather radar but was IFR rated. He believed that he had cleared the storm path because an FAA controller had earlier vectored him further south to his original flight plan for just that reason. He was in contact with another controller just minutes before he went down and that controller made no mention of a storm directly ahead. Probably would not have happened today.
What model Beech?
Sad!
3 minutes of a waste of time. What was the weather in the area? Looks like the heading deviations could have been Wx related.
Convection present
My thoughts and prayers to the family. But I must say, I wasn’t surprised when I saw it was a Doctor
Wow, from viewers this was another doctor and another family annihilator.
right off the bat you find reasons to doubt him and his operations. Although we don’t hear him much of the time, I’m sure you can imagine. He’s IFR, he doesn’t speak up when deviating thinking it’s no big deal, then when he climbs the controller just offers him the next higher alt. Then when he’s above it, he minimizes his predicament by repeating only “descending” to 9k. He’s playing lawyer games right to the end by not fessing up to his situation. Then he dies. What a putts.
It's the same type of plane that killed Buddy Holly and company back in 59
WOW! You're the first to realize that. Thanks for the update, Captain Obvious.
PLANES dont kill people usually Its usually pilot error
those bad planes. Just think if they were painted black . . .
Was this pilot enept?
Unknown. But sometimes people are just overconfident amateur pilots that overestimate the powers of an instrument rating and upgrade planes without sufficient preparation and the requisite experience. Slow down, think about it. It can happen to you. Nobody’s invincible.
V-35s have a history of breakups, and one has to stay ahead of the aircraft. It appears that he possibly had AP malfunction and was distracted, his airspeed more than doubled and the wings folded back, at that point the aircraft assumed the roll of lawn dart. Debris scattered over a half mile area. Im in Murfreesboro and heard newscasts asking that anybody who finds debris leave it, dont touch it and contact authorities.th-cam.com/video/BTt4jMByKLE/w-d-xo.html
any more info? very suspicious
Lmao not suspicious at all, the guy was a surgeon flying the doctor killer, it's an extremely slippery plane with a rather low top speed (I believe VNE is 180kts~ depending on year and model), almost certainly was what these things are known for, flying into IMC and getting disoriented, and over speeding / over stressing airframe trying to recover resulting in breakup.
Not much more info so far other than what was provided. 1/2 mile debris field from the 7000ft breakup that appeared to be an explosion. 3 dead. Confirmed by ABC news approx 2 hrs ago.
Why does EVERYTHING turn into a conspiracy theory.
@@ninerlivesbecause we’ve been trained like sea world seals to believe that anything bad has to be due to something nefarious. Not just a plain old mistake or accident.
@@mebeingU2 it has more to do with nobodies who want to feel like they are smarter than everyone else or more informed than the average person (everyone)
Gravity kills
Gibberish. It hasn't killed you or me.
No joy indeed. Rest in peace.
the bonanza is noted for breaking up . need to stay at manuring speed to avoid this. or hace the v tail concerted
Oh, they got to manuring speed alright
@@RetreadPhoto What's "manuring speed?"
Looking at the gages can be counter intuitive, I get it…
I’m tired of all the assholes calling Bonanza’s” Doctor Killers…my dad was a Doctor and flew Beechcraft Bonanzas for 22 yrs…he had 2 of them..I’m still here because he was a very proficient pilot and never made bad decisions when flying…you can break any airplane if you get behind the airplane….IMC is no joke..and should be treated with the utmost respect….he was IFR rated and if the weather wasn’t good..,we didn’t go…and if it got questionable enroute…we landed …live to fly another day…I would hand fly those Bonanzas all the time as a kid…and I knew that they were fast…people make bad decisions all the time while flying…and in the end..it bites them in the ass…just thought I’d put my two cents in….happy flying and clear skies…😀😀.
My father is a physician as well. Kudos to your father for his 22 yrs of experience, safety and sound decision making. However, the Bonanza (especially the V-tail) carries the “doctor killer” descriptor for good reason. I am 17,000 hr pilot with experience in GA, flight instructing, managed a Corp Flt dept for 16 yrs, and am now back at a major airline close to retirement. During a decade-plus airline furlough, I had several jobs to support my family - one of which was mentoring relatively inexperienced owner pilots on King Airs and Citations. Like your Dad, some of them approached aviation and its risks with the humility, seriousness and respect it deserves. Many, however, did not. When *some* (not all) successful doctors, lawyers, businessmen gravitate to aviation as a hobby, their airplane buying power for high-performance equipment often far exceeds their flying ability and experience. Aviation is a vengeful mistress, unforgiving of ego and hubris. I’m glad your Dad approached it the right way. Many don’t.
They're ignorant and simply repeating something they heard or read.
@@user-cy2eh7hr2z Very well stated.
I'm hearing he oversped
and pulled off the tail of the plane. Oofah
actually in an overspeed, it would be more likely to pull the wings off and then as the tail unloads if would fail in the downward direction. Investigators will be able to determine various failure modes.
Look at the pilot's background that's available. First he got his PPL in 2016, second he graduated med school in 1987, that makes him about 70-72 years old. We don't know his total hours but I would say less than a 1,000. He was flying at IFR altitudes so I would assume he had and inst. rating. third, He owned the subject airplane for 2 years. It appeared to have radar (pod on wing). It had a Garmin 750 and an Aspen. I looked at for sale photos from 2022. Fourth, It also appears he used his auto pilot all the time even on short flights, i.e., less time hand flying. Fifth, old Photos also showed an IAS at 5,000' of 144 kts at about 23-24" and 2,300 rpm. And when fighting headwinds, you normally fly as fast as you can to limit the time in the headwind as he was fighting headwinds of at least 20 knots the whole trip. Sixth, His ground speed was about 130-135 kts for almost the whole cruise part of flight. Seventh, No probable fuel issues as his capacity was 120 gal. Eighth, And one report had convective activity in the area. Ninth, This 1966 V35TC Va is 134kts at gross weight (3,400 without the Osbornes). So he was in probably turb at 10 kts or more over Va and it's a 56 year old airplane with about 6,000 hrs. Most io-520 V-tails can indicate about 150 kts at his altitude at 65-75% (my V-tail indicates 148 kts at 11,500' at 59%).
Was his radar inop? Did he get a good wx brief? gottgetthereitis? Did he not know his V speeds? What a shame!!!
Reminds of the story of the lawyer standing in the chow line in heaven when he sees a Dr. dressed in schrubs cut the line and he asks an old timer in the heaven chow line, "Hey, I'm new here, but I thought there were no cuts in the chow line and that Dr. just cut the line?" The old timers says, "that's not a Dr., it's God, but God thinks he is a doctor."
actually, he owned the airplane for less than a year. It was registered to him in Jan of 24, meaning he bot it a few months before that.
Who’s the guy trying to be VAS aviation 😂😂
The folly of trying to imitate
Birds and insects
God created creatures!
Rip
HORRIBLE video.
This Sunday on Probable cause, Dan Gryder.
Not someone or something I’d waste my time watching or listening to. So many other great channels out there to choose from. And there’s no way in hell he can know the cause by Sunday.
Just when Dan was lookin like he might get two zero weeks in a row...
Who listens to Dan Gryder anymore? Bag o wind from where I’m sitting.
@@1shinytop686 if more people did listen to him, less people would die in airplane accidents.
@@Kenjh71if nobody listens to him, all of them will be smarter, or at best, no dumber than when they began. He is not a character worth taking seriously. He entertains some people who like that type of shtick and schlock. He is a local yokel government-criticizing TH-camr. Period. His track record tells it alls. He should stick to flying DC-3s. And avoid corn fields.
The light dual twins… VMCA strikes again…
Fucking scary for potential pilots
What??? Good lord…. 🤦♂️
huh? Are you on drugs?
What are "light dual twins" and how are they relevant to this?
Maybe the pilot became incapacitated. Heart Attack Maybe.
Too early to tell , but i think he lost control and over stressed the airframe .
Let me guess , not instrument rated
RIP